Josh gets baited to talk about drama again
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Ah finally, the complete triology "why I don't talk about drama" "about that drama" "chat baits josh to talk about drama"
The dollars trilogy of UA-cam.
do i need to see them in release order to understand the plot and lore of this legendary tale? this is the firs part that got recommendet to me by the algorithm overlord and sometimes he plays his treacherous games with me
The circle of life
Now we need a hiatus period and a new titlte "return of the drama"
Or, "drama, an unexpected journey"
That tension build up was better than most modern movies can hope to achieve.
the dramatic mass effect ost just adds to the excitement
What a marvelous journey it has been
"Why I don't talk about drama"
Talks about the drama on stream
"About the drama"
"Josh gets baited to talk about drama again"
Now all we need is a ukulele video
"Josh is sorry (for the drama)"
"Don't expect great things of yourself" - Josh Strife Hayes, totally not taken out of context
Even the clip channel isn’t safe from the porn bot epidemic
Aw, I missed them T_T
the what?
@@justice_1337Basically on a lot of channels recently there’s been an epidemic of early comments with a super sexual profile pic (Usually a picture of a woman’s butt in a tight fitting bikini) just posting weird comments about how great the community or content is. Presumably they’re meant to lure horny people into clicking on the channel to try to find more horny bait or something to either get your information or convince you to give them money or something.
@@justice_1337 you see on almost all big-ish channels these days a sea of bot comments. Some make sense some don’t but they all have a mostly naked woman as a profile picture trying to get you to click some link on their profile
Telling chat to retype his question until he answers it is definitely a brave move. Lucky Strike didn't take advantage of that lol
amazing how smoothly Josh rolled with waiting on the actual questions :D pretty fun how well he just played along
I laughed hard on the "I thought woke was the past tense of wake"
This is why I hate when people say "I have a question" and then spend nearly 8 minutes NOT ASKING THAT QUESTION when instead, they could've just ASKED THE QUESTION.
We need to go back to middle school responses
"Can I ask you a question?"
"You just did."
Perfect soundtrack for discussing drama!
This is why Josh gets sponsorships. Man can talk
"A cabbage would have done quite well at the political debate"
...as an American, I couldn't agree more. Let's get "Cole Slaw for Commander-In-Chief" trending!
Strike, the speaker of the people, has communed with god regarding the warhammer allegations
@00:55 "Don't expect great things from yourself." 💀
Strike deserves a promotion
Libertarian Party should make "we will do the absolute minimum" as their party slogan 😂
Based on...?
@@fmalch1209 libertarian party (theoretically) is supposed to be about minimal government
Not sure I actually caught what the question was in the end
important to note that "woke" originated in black american culture, and specifically meant to remain vigilant against the forces of institutional racism, which was culturally considered a thing of the past, but was well known to still exist in aspects and remnants across the culture.
As true as this is, this original meaning still has little significance in today's "debate". And I hate it.
Yep and then they co-opted the term to both erase its original meaning, and to use it as a term to discredit the notion of empathy. Good times we live in.
What words used to mean hasn't mattered in centuries. Language is a living and evolving thing. What it means today, sadly, is all that's really important. Because regardless of what context maybe SHOULD matter, its how its used today that determined how its received for all but a small % of "acthually" folks :D. No offense to Josh lol.
@@Ralathar44" the meaning of terms can change over time or even be changed deliberately to obscure the original meaning" is a far cry from "words dont mean anything and language is bullshit" like wtf are you saying?
@@Ralathar44 Wait what? Josh said the current meaning of the word woke, in both co-opting a thing for political causes, and 'i dont like empathy.' Where did you even get the idea he said anything about how the word should mean something else? That's not even in this clip anywhere.
10:47 First she gets lobbed in the air by an explosion, then Josh shoots her in the groin.
Rough day.
It's like working retail all over again
No drama was addressed in this video
The build-up to the question was quite dramatic
I’d say there was drama. Josh saying ultramarines are objectively the good guy space marines when the Salamanders exist. The Salamanders are objectively the only completely good guys in all of 40K
Im so anti woke that i lay in bed all day. The wokies will never get me! 😎
To be fair "it's always been that way" was literally the only way GW _ever_ did changes to 40k for a long while. Did they introduce a new tank? "Oh no this isn't new, the Guard has used that for thousands of years!" was a staple. While I get your point and agree that the way they dropped the femtodes in and the "oh it's always been like that" was lazy and not handled well (I mean at the very least follow through, you're putting it in a new codex, release some new minis with alternate female heads, _do_ something with it if you want to include it), I can guarantee you "Oh yes the process of creating Custodes which was designed by the Emperor himself and unchanged for 10k years we've adjusted it and it works on girls now!" would not have drawn one iota less outrage.
Long before the term woke was hijacked. It was basically meant to mean having an open and enlightened mind. Calling enlightenment woke is like me making hard boiled eggs and saying it’s egg drop soup.
literally the "broke/woke" meme where something bad is shown first as "broke" and then a solution is shown as "woke".
Crazy how times change.
It was already being hijacked when it meant "an enlightened mind", thats how it became what it is now. It wasn't a common term anywhere for such a thing in modern times until the mid 2000s when it started being used by Libertarians
The first instance of woke I had heard was surrounding several police shootings of innocent people of color, as “I am awake and aware of the social injustices going on around me”.
@@Sercotani That's the other meme with "I sleep"
@@Tobeh Yeah yours is closer. I really meant social enlightenment. Not the Ace Ventura sitting in a temple one with the universe enlightenment.
Yeah Josh, it was pretty weak the way they introduced it, while they did have a slight point though about the fact that the lore is extremely mercurial and changing holds water. (I think 40k gets more retcons than DC and Marvel combined.)
There would have been so many interesting ways to do it, maybe Gulliman and belisarius cawl (especially the latter) due to the primaris marine upgrades had recovered enough of the data to make use of the other 50 percent of the population. It would match the lore with Cawl being responsible for some major tech advancements when he returned with Robby G, make it so that only the toughed most resilent of the Adeptus Soroitas could undergo the process.
Yes some people would have been upset still, but I think far far less of a number would be.
But the point of the term "retcon" is that it is RETROACTIVE as in it applies to things in the past, and you pretend it way always the case. It wouldn't even be a retcon to begin with if they went with your Cawl BS. When they retconned the Necrons to their current state they didn't need to come up with an excuse for it, they just changed it. When they retconned the Horus Heresy to be about all the Primarch nonsense same deal. When they changed Space Marines to be male only they didn't need to excuse it as some in-universe tech change, they just pretended Space Marines were always male. So the stuff with the Custodes is nothing new and is how retcons were ALWAYS handled by GW
Its such a non-issue that normally most people would just go "oh, they can be female too? okay." Like literally any other retcon, but this got blown out of proportion because of drama tourism
At certain points the combination of his monologue and the BGM created magic.
I will keep saying this. The GW didn't say that this is how it has always been. The twitter message just clarified that now after the retcon there has always been custodes. Aka they didn't just start recruiting females but even in the days of the Emperor there were females in the ranks of the custodes.
There is like other stuff that came to light why there aren't female custodes previously or female space marines for that matter, but anyway it is a retcon and not even a big one in 40k Lore and was blown out of proportion by political hacks who are not even consuners of the game.
Ahh yes if the female custode was a story of the last heir of a noble family forced by her usurping uncle to take the gold but she lived, and now that uncle is so dead. That be a good drama in it self and wow for big mama energy on that "sister" coustode.
In a sleasy 90 movie trailer voice- "10 thousand year there Brotherhood served The Emperor, And now They have a sister to teach, but she has some old family to take care off!" :D
I think this is why it smacks of pandering rather than actual caring about the issue; when people can come up with more interesting lore reasons for the change than the actual devs, with just a bit of brain effort. I mean, it really does look like they're just phoning it in (and thus deserve criticism).
@@Rietto That's because everything is "woke" if it goes badly and "anti-woke" if it's done well.
It's the whole "go woke, go broke" except when it doesn't go broke, it's suddenly "anti-woke".
It was done badly, don't get me wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that being done badly or not, there would be female custodes, it's just people complaining about nothing because drama gets people riled up.
@@nattythepanda4692If something is good and woke most people won't notice because most people just want to enjoy media and if it happens to disagree with you whilst being enjoyable you likely won't care unless you're a giga activist. The issue with most woke stuff is the message replaces the art.
@@TheClintonio "most woke stuff" my brother in christ, the majority of media would be considered "woke", videogames have been actively parodying and making fun of things like capitalism, religion, fascism, racism, etc. for literal decades now.
The problem isn't the "woke" stuff, the problem is that a lot of people don't realize that (now more than ever) investors and CEOs are completely out-of-touch and don't give writers the actual freedom to write good stories, so the bad stands out.
@@TheClintonio Best example for this may be "the boys" before and "the boys" season 4.
tldr: GW is still gonna "GW it up" sometimes thanks to bad communication
I know strike was the focus of this clip, obviously, but all I could think of was "Damn, Josh shoots a lot and barely uses his powers".
To be fair: it’s mass effect 2. You only need 2 powers to beat the game, even on the hardest difficulty, and those are just for stripping shields. The guns are more powerful, efficient, and useful of the two options. The powers in me2 and me3 are largely worthless and uninteresting to use.
As a fellow enjoyer of rolled sleeves and vests i have to wonder where do you get yours? and are you a inch roll or a 2 sinch roll on your sleeves? other sleeved gentleman must know
We should replace the word "woke" with "disingenuous" or "insincere". It's a less radicalized way to express discontentment towards art that isn't genuine.
That's not quite the same. Woke is a sociopolitical movement with the goal of aggressively pushing intersectionality by expanding the socialist economic class struggle by introducing classes such as gender, sexuality, race, and so many others. But this is only one of the correct definitions, because woke is not centralised, but has a clear goal: pushing socialism by dismantling institutions.
and it would preserve the original AAVE meaning
It's too broad, I think. "woke" is being specifically insincere about DEI subjects in the hopes of pandering to marginalized people.
Honestly, the deconstruction of 'woke' at a conceptual level was pretty impressive. Colour me impressed.
What was the question again?
You know as someone apolitical and is tired of each side claiming the other is the source of the drama... Your explanation of the word "Woke" was actually pretty good! Hooray for non political explanations of explicitly political words! :D
I wish we had politicians that stream playing games and talk to chat live.
Damn, dramatic main menus music is a bane of 2000-2010s games. You could find a DoW2: retribution player instantly by the fact he turns menu music in every game
Amazon could just hire Josh for the part instead of Henry.
From Wishhammer 40K
I have played this game about 10 months ago and I dont remember this mission.
Also, yes, I am done with talking about woke stuff. I will just vote with my wallet. I do not have the power or influence on my own to solve this issue so not paying for it and ignoring it is the next best thing I can do.
I think its the first Mission of the shadow broker DLC.
@@dr.kluglich My brain must be fried then. I did it but the legendary edition, the version where you have all 3 games. I belive there were alot of changes with that one.
All it would have taken was GW saying "Hey gang, Belisarius Cawl is back on his bullshit, and figured out a way to use the Primaris process on ANYBODY! So now, the Imperium can field even MORE mutant super soldiers (and we can sell you even more overpriced plastic." Simple as.
Primaris/Astartes and Custodes are totally different things. People are mad about this change without even understanding what the thing is that's been changed.
Yes, I understand the difference, but the ease of using Cawl as a lore MacGuffin would have been that easy rather than just retconning if they wanted to be more inclusive AND give a lore reason
That's not even slightly true and you'd know it if you'd actually been following who it is doing the majority of the complaining. There are people with a legitimate complaint about how the introduction was done (though personally I think this is both supremely in-character for GW and very funny) and they might be the majority but the most *vocal* complaints are overtly misogynistic.
@@jokersandrogues9821 No "lore reason" is necessary though; it has never been said that Custodes are only male anywhere in canon. We've just not seen any female characters in Custodes fluff before.
@@CaptainHat "vocal complaints are overtly misogynistic." Right and is the "misogynistic" in the room right now? Beside you clearly do not know what the majority is complaining about since you are the one who are not following anything.
What would make men more likely to survive the custodes process than women? Sounds like some internalized mysoginy to me.
"ONLY MEN SHALL RECEIVE MY SEED" -The Emperor of Mankind
Descriptively: Thats gay as fuck.
SOUNDS WOKE TO ME 😏 DAMN ALPHABET MAFIA! GRRR
I'm here to find out if it's Drama as the kind of play or Drama like in who was a pedo this week
Die Hard is the greatest Christmas movie of all time. A Christmas Story comes in a close second though.
I would not be surprised if it turned out that the tweet that sparked drama was meant by it's author as sort of in (new) lore answer. Just not composed in a way that would make it clear that this is the intent, and people understanding it as out of lore statement that lore always was such.
Like reading the whole post I can easily see a dude in Games Workshop intending to be like "ok so yeah there is a retcon going on and this is how the new lore is: they were always female custodes" but took to long to figure out how to write it in wh40k style, so that by the time they posted he forgot to add the part where this is new lore from now onwards.
Um excuse me Mr Stife, the only truly objective 'good guys' in 40k are the Salamanders.
No, even the Salamanders are bad guys. They just arent bad guys to their citizens.
Didn't they set fire to xenos children?
@@archlorddestin I believe so, yes.
Dark Eldar don't count as people so Vulkan is fine@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo
Don't tell that to any Eldar children 😏
What a fucking ride.
Brandon Herrera is a great example of "I dont want to be a politician but fuck my local politician sucks"
Brandon is also a big hypocrite considering he was sponsored by and sold fake masks during a pandemic because....wearing a mask somehow interferes with "muh freedom".
It's the reason I completely lost all respect for him.
So
That's true 🤌
Josh, the most British Hype man
I also have a question...
So
Someone in chat after woke definition saying like a painter was spot on, artists have been political for centuries, sneaking in ideaologies into books, movies etc Its just woke is used for liberal ideaologies people dislike, doesn't have to be full on hate or anything.
Yea but the way it's being inserted is bad and just obvious. That's the problem. Things are getting worse
@@danieln6700 things are getting worse _and_ better.
I think what people want, is subtlety. Like if a movie is criticising a certain real life ideology, it can be done in a very obvious way which just feels like you want to push an agenda more than you want to tell a story.
Someone who wants to tell a story, but also wants to point out some flaws in a real life concept, can do so in a subtle and interesting way.
Big difference between there being underlying these and messages and straight up in your face stuff that completely hijacks the main plot
@@buildinasentry1046 Yes, though nuance may be a better word for it. Simply put, if a story makes you go 🤔, that's good. If it makes you go 🙄 or 😑, that's bad.
9:55 RuneScape cabbage for president
It's got my vote tbh
Josh for president 2024. Let’s make it happen. I don’t care if he’s not from the US. He certainly couldn’t do worse than the fossils we got now.
Josh you are as wise man but you really just say ultramarines are the objective good guys space marines when the salamanders exist? The Salamanders are the objectively completely without a doubt the only benevolent and without fail all good all the time good guys in the entirety of the 40K setting. Salamanders will sacrifice themselves if it means they can rescue civilians while Ultramarines nearly caused another civil war because certain chapters were refusing Guiliman’s dumb rule book. Salamanders>Ultramarines, Vulkan>Guiliman all day everyday.
Cabbage > Trump
"Politicians should get out of people's way" is nice in theory, but falls apart in reality where any power ceded by the government doesn't go to individuals, but instead is taken up massive multinational conglomerates. Like, put aside the fact that Western societies have real problems that governments absolutely need to have a role in addressing: poverty, inequality, climate change, etc.; the idea that the libertarian ideology is built on of less government power = more individual power/freedom is only true at a surface level, in that if you limit the government's scope, it's ability to affect your life is diminished. But the power gap that leaves isn't going to be filled by you in like 98% of cases; it's going to be filled by some other entity, usually a corporation that's even less directly answerable to you as a person. A good friend of mine once put this idea in the best terms I think it can be expressed: "At the end of the day, some organization/person is going to be making the final call on the important issues in society. Wouldn't you rather have that organization/person be someone we elect to do that job?"
I love JSH, but his privilege as a person who's only mildly suffering under the current system is on full display here.
That isn't what woke means . . .
Should of cut the video off at "So" Cause that's where it peaked.
As far as the brotherhood thing goes just think brotherhood of steel, thats always been gender neutral
Zero respect for people deleting comments that don't agree with the cult
There was a time and place to make the Fem Custodes retcon and it was well before GW finished the 83 books that make up the completed Horus Heresy + Primarch books. These 83 books represent the foundational lore events and players in the most pivotal and foundational moments of the Custodes... and in all of these books, the Custodes are exclusively men. I single these 83 books out because 1. the Custodes do almost nothing of consequence to the overall plot for 10,000 years after these events due to an self-imposed penance of near complete self-isolation after the Emperor almost dies 2. Because if they have always been there they did absolutely nothing of note and were otherwise worthless to the story.
Even if you like this retcon for some reason you must admit the more elegant solution would have been to do it at the start of the Horus Heresy book series OR to not do the retcon at all and just make Fem Stodes a new plot where they open up recruitment and the organization would need to grow to accept.
Personally implementation aside, I think it is a bad idea and strips away the brother/ sister gender complementarianism element the SoS and Custodes had alongside there strengths as expert fighters of the immaterium vs the material and their other elements of their lore that make them complimentary ying/yang subfactions. Beyond that fictional organizations don't need to reflect our values, if a fictional organization is not inclusive that is fine and adds uniqueness to them.
Imagine paying for limited mobile data in 2024.
Woke is a term used for the grand sum total of the cultural influence arising from the various fields of Critical Theory.
No, most people talking about it don't know that. Glad I could help though.
9:00 I think you have an incorrect definition here. "Woke", as explained by Black people in America who invented and popularized the term, is merely the state of recognizing, realizing, and accepting societal systems that have been built up and put in place for a long time often serve to limit minorities and that White people (particularly in America) have inherent privileges within this societal structure that aren't immediately obvious at first glance and, lastly, that everyone in a society should be treated the same, regardless of immutable characteristics of their person with regard to opportunity, funding, policing, etc.
I mean Josh's take on the Warhammer retcon was wrong and abrasive. It revealed him to be an out of touch wind-taster when it comes to anything not MMO related.
So I more than agree he shouldn't talk about scandal anymore, and stick to things he actually puts the time and energy into understanding.
Insulting your own fans on false pretenses because the issue smells like misogyny is a pretty large mistake. Especially if the apology given at the time was essentially "I should have been less mean about my knee-jerk reaction to the misogyny smell, but I still have the exact same opinion even though I now have been convinced I have less reason to believe it than before."
So you don't like that Josh's conclusion was nuanced instead of an outright condemnation?
Wait... So what was the question in the end?
Treating the playerbase like GW are the gov in 1984 and the players are the plebs wasnt going to end well in any situation, the thing they tried to change made it worse due to ongoing "discourse" about the topic of "woke" ideology "infesting" franchises.
I can see reasonable arguments for and against the changes, sadly most people dont argue in a reasonable way nowadays.
The simplest argument 'for' it is that they sell models and female Custodians are more models. That's always going to be the forward direction of GW. Don't like them? Don't buy them. Had they just introduced it as "here is new a product line" there wouldn't have been an issue.
@@arandombard1197 This particular change was just bad execution with unfortunate timing indeed.
@@Gnarfendorf The issue is that they insulted their fan base by lying and saying "they'd always been female". If they'd just said "Yeah, we've decided to add some female models because they look cool" it would be a non-issue.
@@arandombard1197 Aye, thats why i meant when i likened them to the 1984 gov with their constant rewriting of history.
10:00 - Josh confirmed Brassica Prime worshipper!
6:30 right, so like pokemon go to the polls, got it
It is really funny that “stay woke” was too abstract a term of phrase for close-minded people, and thus they have bastardized the term, but also still do not understand what it means! 😅
is josh trolling or does he not know he can bring any 1 persons chat up?
So…
40k will slowly go the way of marvel tbh.
so
I love Josh and his 10 minute long #shorts
Asking chat to copy the question till its answered is somehow still a wiser and smarter action than what GW and the ratiod losers defending the retcon attempt spewed out as a attempt to form a actual argument.
I have to say, I find Josh's definition of the new meaning of "woke" quite concise.
For me, it means the same, but I could not have put it into words as well.
I always hate it when people go on like,"if you use the term "woke" unironically, you are already an idiot and loser."
Just because they use the old political definition and others use the new one, they aren't automatically right. On the contrary, language changes, "woke" in regard to politics doesn't mean the same it used to mean, it doesn't stand for being aware of important issues and trying to change society in this regard, it means co-opting existing platforms often unrelated to politics and try to force change in them to suit your agenda.
That's why it's so infuriating that if you have a problem with this, they automatically dump you in with a bunch of extremely hypocritical bigots and racists, when you just don't want stuff you like being used to push an agenda, with quality, lore, integrity and honesty taking second place to that.
Most of the time I am sympathetic to the cause, I don't disagree with acceptance, tolerance and inclusivity, I just don't think that smashing that message in your face should be regarded as more important than the actual thing you are using it in. The game, the lore, the film, comic or TV series. That these are done as good as possible, as entertaining as possible should be the first priority, always. Not second or third fiddle to your political message. And I honestly don't care from which side it comes from, I've rejected games and films with conservative messaging just as much. Probably even more since they run contrary to my own positions.
Haha I would marry Josh and so do my husband :D
By that definition, it means that the 2022 remake of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a woke movie.
That's the movie in which Leatherface goes on a rampage because a black hipster is offended that an old woman has a confederate flag and the argument about it results in the poor old lady having a heart attack, prompting Leatherface to go murder a group of liberal millennials.
The main girl of that movie is a survivor of a school shooting whose arc is learning that guns are good actually.
So, yeah. If we are going with the concept that "woke" means taking an already established piece of media and changing it to push a political agenda, it has to go both ways. It can't just be a term used only against media that no longer follows conservative ideologies.
It also means that original media created with a political ideology from the start is not "woke". Which means that Steven Universe is not woke.
Everyone knows what woke means you don't need to define it. You are just coping that people don't buy that political activism anymore.
@@Krichnu maybe for you youngsters but I assure you not everyone knows the new meaning of woke. some of us are old enough to have used the original meaning and never got the letter to update our understanding of the new meaning. hell, the reason why a lot of leftists get so upset when righties call them woke is precisely because to them being called woke is a compliment, it's an acknowledgement that there's a problem needing fixing, which is the opposite of the intent of the person screaming woke these days is. there's an old "rule" of "don't assume malice when ignorance can explain it too".
So...
Ramlethal and Juri are some of the baddest things in FGs and I own 3 pairs of crocs, still think the foot kink is a played out joke. There's nothing less telling about the full package than some bed frame blasters.
I envy Josh's patience cause I would have banned that chatter so fast lol.
The "warhammer drama" was people just whining about anything that they could have to get clicks lmao.
"Woke" originally meant to be aware of racial prejudice, but (as Josh was saying) conservatives hijacked it and now its just ew anything that's not a straight white dude is bad lmao.
Having custodians who are female don't change the game whatsoever, it was lazily done, but as someone who actually plays warhammer (like Josh does), it doesn't matter.
Sisters of silence aren't custodians, they're blanks and they're important for that reason not cause they're women. Sisters of battle are religous zealots, etc. GW owns the lore and they can change it whenever they want no matter how badly it's done. If someone holds lore as something set in stone then warhammer is not going to be for them.
You are delusional if you think that way. It's not "conservatives" it's regular people that are tired of forced ideologies in they favorite shows or games. You are probably form US or UK that would explain your brainwashing. Also saying you would ban that person is so in line with modern leftism you just want to silence the opposition to your cult like following.
well said!
Nice I got my comments deleted good job. Really shows how wrong you are btw, All that leftist can do is ban people who don't agree with them so that they fell safe and right.
You are part of the cult
For those to view that lore should be set in stone, I hope they never dig into Necron lore at all. And that's not even the worst of it.
Do anyine know if Josh was a C-Section or not. Strife 2028 would be legendary but I'm unsure if he's naturally born.
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I find it strange how the people who coined the term woke, the people who called themselves woke then turned against said terminology. I don't think I've ever seen this happen before in my life.
Wake up sheeple! *six years later* Woke is ruining the country!
You're absolutely sure it's the same individuals?
@@BlitzerkidSix No they're not, it's bs
@@BlitzerkidSix I'm certain.
@@LittleZoey It's literally not.
For the warhammer debate there are more reasons why there wernt female custodees then there ever could be for female custodees as if they were captured and were made to breed with the grimdark foes of the 4k it would ruin their demi-god image which is an actual important facet of empire that keeps their scociety somewhat together. The Gene templates from the emperor of mankind is another reason, They huge gap in canon stories that do not explain their position or role in the world building. If there was a female Primarch then things would be different as the emperor only had Sons. The haphazard implementation requires too much of a stretch to retcon it in for not much actual story or world building payoff, It just seems like busy work without actually creating anything of substance.
Third!
You were first if you consider the first 2 were porn bots lol
Woke is easy to define, it’s whatever social media says it is today.
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Most of the people loudly complaining don't even understand the thing they're complaining about to begin with and seem to think Custodes = Golden Astartes.
And yes, they were originally all men, but it wasn't some key piece of lore. It's just how they were depicted. Changing that depiction to say that canonically they always included women is pretty insignificant on the scale of GW retcons, it just happens to trigger the culture war morons who will now rant and rave about how important it is to the lore that their golden space marines are all men...
They could of just added another female faction instead of this. It's always done at a male character or groups expense like gender swapping or inserting instead of making something new to go along side
Woke as used colloquially in modern context means something that is leftist ideologically driven to an excessive degree, almost always to the detriment of whatever is being used a vehicle to deliver that ideology. So an example of "woke" messaging would be pinkwashing, which is just corproate marketing pretending to support LGBTQ interests. "Woke" movies would be a movie that may have a good or bad core/structure, but is made worse by forced inclusion of said ideology. Example: when characters are changed for the sake of diversity even if it makes little sense for the setting/story, resulting in lower quality performances or a distraction from the main show. To dodge controversy on this one lets use a clear example: Race Swapping Cleopatra. Another example of this is the blatant misuse of the "strong female" archetype. There is zero wrong with a female character being strong. But this specific misuse casts them as strong for ideological reasons instead of character/story reasons. And they tend to be bland and boring and forgettable because they're not allowed to have proper flaws and failures because the writers either don't want to or are scared to portray them in any negative light. And this can happen with racial or LGBTQ characters too. The problem isn't the identity at the core, tis the poor writing, and it would be poor writing regardless of what identity played the character. And because of the baggage this is often paired with a thoroughly inept male character to complete the contrast. Though ofc, like most social issues, this has so much baggage at this point that people are far too quick to label things as woke or exaggerate. But, as a player of video games I'll give you a good same character example: Captain Marvel vs Captain Marvel. The movie version vs Marvel Midnight Suns game version. Move version isn't terrible but she's fairly forgettable, bland, and boring and Samuel L Jackson (playing a badass hyper capable character) is forced into being the watson to her sherlock holmes always being the butt of the joke or fairly helpless without her. Not a bad role mind you, but a bad fit for his established character of Nick Fury. The game version of Captain Marvel however is charismatic, hard working, flawed, loyal, and honestly just awesome. I played the game years after watching the movie and it made me legitimately angry in retrospect just how much of a disservice they did to Captain Marvel's character with that movie. Because of the focus on girl power and that strong woman not allowed to have proper flaws ideological design they ironically made Captain Marvel a pale shadow of herself and then the follow the Marvels completed the character assasination. That is the folly of "woke". It's not being truly leftist/progressive. It's an empty statement, design, idea, or caricature that may have good intentions but ultimately undercuts all the ideology its supposed to stand for.
Just to be clear here, youre claiming that Cpatain Marvel in the movie is not emotionless becasue of the explicit upbringing and brainwashing out of emotions she's undergoing in that very same movie but just "because she's a woman so randomly wrote her that way"?
I get your point but I don't think it's as clearcut or plain as that; what ends up happening is that in most cases where some advancement of inclusion is made people who don't want to see that (or any) inclusion come to the viewing with some degree of bias against the content, which would not be applied if the content were not having features of progress applied to it. In other words people who don't want to see progress be made will find flaws with the implementation of progress no matter what the representation of progress is. You yourself said "made worse by forced inclusion", the extrapolation of this statement is that the established mode of presentation which is not inclusive is always best. How do you suppose progressive changes can be made where people will judge it without new biases simply because it's inclusive? Why does poor writing invoke screams of "Woke!, excessive leftism!" whenever it involves inclusion of previously excluded identities instead of "wow this was written horribly! [included identity group] deserves a better implementation than this." I think the missing piece that defines why people bring derogatory cries of "Woke!" is the bias people bring towards efforts of inclusion.
@@TurtleKwitty Its amazing you skimmed through my entire comment and then misconstrued something just to try and start a fight lol. Apologizes, but I'm going to ignore you. If you're starting the conversation with a twisted interpretation attempting a gotcha moment it's just not gonna be productive. Go have a good weekend, there is no fight to be had here as I will not be adopting the strawman position you created.
@@oxoniumgirl Nothing is every 100% clear cut, and getting lost in the weeds is how you can twist almost any situation to any interpretation you want. Way off topic in all reality. Lets keep this grounded and practical, this is not a political debate.
Ultimately the games, books, and movies we create only have the value the audience gives them or what history says. No matter what our intent or an individuals perception of their quality. This is the case with the Warhammer controversy. (Remember, the warhammer video is the larger context of thats and the focal point, not politics, don't get side tracked)
I'm not a religious person, in fact had a chip on my shoulder regarding it for years, but CS Lewis had a sage comment on this subject. He said "The world does not need more christian literature, it needs more good literature written by Christians."
IE, your values will come through naturally in your writing. Don't force it. Don't go out of your way to make sure you include it. Just make a good book/movie/game/etc. It'll be there naturally.
Basically the mistake people make that gets their stuff called "woke" is that they're trying too dang hard to make sure their message is included instead of just focusing on the product and letting the message they already believe in happen naturally. And this is what happened with the Warhammer drama. Trying too hard instead of writing it in naturally in the best way they could fit it into the existing lore.
Thank you for giving an honest descriptor of "woke" instead of just eye-rolling and dismissing it as hillbilly slop.
Very level-headed take.
it's too bad he didn't touch on the original AAVE meaning of "woke" - being aware of and opposing of systemic problems, which is what most leftists and progressive people mean by it.
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