Thanks - learned a lot I didn't know - especially about the Presbyterian church in Scotland. My own family in Liverpool is cross- community - think overall the experience there a bit different - a pioneering socialist brought Catholic and Protestant trade unions together to unite them against the bosses playing them off against each other before WW1 I think. Of course there was bigotry but things took a different direction than in Glasgow
@@RockinDbop1 I understand that. Hence my sarcastic remark. What he meant to say (or, should’ve said) was ‘sentiment’, ‘rhetoric’ or ‘feeling’, perhaps.
My Grandfather found England a safe haven when he left Ireland in 1922. He strangely never experienced any of the racism you describe. In fact he married Scottish Woman and they lived the rest of their lives in an English town. In fact he would point out their mixed marriage would never be tolerated in Ireland. As someone who spends quite a bit of each year in Ireland I am very much aware of where the hatred is and am always struck by the level of introverted ignorance displayed by some. Who do you think the British are?
@@ijm1963 Well done to your Gramps (and his missus); you clearly speak with firsthand experience on the matter. My ex Mother & Father-in-Law came to England (Portsmouth) from Clones (a border town) just after WW2… as having a child out of wedlock back in the day, as you mentioned, wouldn’t have been tolerated. I visited the extended family in NI many times & it’s a cracking place … although a couple of times (I subsequently learned) I strayed into pubs in Dungannon that I probably shouldn’t have whilst the girls went shopping. But, I was at a loose end & a pub crawl beckoned so, whaddya gonna do, huh! Now I come to think of it my Mum’s older brother (who was C of E & an East-Londoner) married a Catholic girl, Tess, in the 50s & I’ve never heard any stories of anti-Irish sentiment within our own family OR from the in-laws. Never really gave it any thought. Also, I speak as someone who worked & was present in the City of London when 3 of the largest IRA bombs went off. I know the question wasn’t directed at me but, I consider Britain (or, the British) as the ultimate ‘bastard nation’ (more so than the US, even). We’re anglo-saxon but also part French, part Nordic, part Germanic, part Roman, etc. and I for one am proud of our ‘melting pot’ heritage over the last 2000yrs.
The Irish subcontractors of the 1950s onwards soon learnt how to exploit their own countrymen as well.
Thanks - learned a lot I didn't know - especially about the Presbyterian church in Scotland.
My own family in Liverpool is cross- community - think overall the experience there a bit different - a pioneering socialist brought Catholic and Protestant trade unions together to unite them against the bosses playing them off against each other before WW1 I think. Of course there was bigotry but things took a different direction than in Glasgow
they are white as them so idk why they did that
Racism is usually never been about skin colour but about culture and percieved barbarity of the other.
The Irish are a ‘race’? Who knew!
'No blacks, no Irish, no dogs'.
If you experience racism then in the eyes of racists you're a race.
I don’t think he’s implying that when he says “racism”
@@RockinDbop1 I understand that. Hence my sarcastic remark. What he meant to say (or, should’ve said) was ‘sentiment’, ‘rhetoric’ or ‘feeling’, perhaps.
My Grandfather found England a safe haven when he left Ireland in 1922. He strangely never experienced any of the racism you describe. In fact he married Scottish Woman and they lived the rest of their lives in an English town. In fact he would point out their mixed marriage would never be tolerated in Ireland. As someone who spends quite a bit of each year in Ireland I am very much aware of where the hatred is and am always struck by the level of introverted ignorance displayed by some. Who do you think the British are?
@@ijm1963 Well done to your Gramps (and his missus); you clearly speak with firsthand experience on the matter.
My ex Mother & Father-in-Law came to England (Portsmouth) from Clones (a border town) just after WW2… as having a child out of wedlock back in the day, as you mentioned, wouldn’t have been tolerated. I visited the extended family in NI many times & it’s a cracking place … although a couple of times (I subsequently learned) I strayed into pubs in Dungannon that I probably shouldn’t have whilst the girls went shopping. But, I was at a loose end & a pub crawl beckoned so, whaddya gonna do, huh!
Now I come to think of it my Mum’s older brother (who was C of E & an East-Londoner) married a Catholic girl, Tess, in the 50s & I’ve never heard any stories of anti-Irish sentiment within our own family OR from the in-laws. Never really gave it any thought. Also, I speak as someone who worked & was present in the City of London when 3 of the largest IRA bombs went off.
I know the question wasn’t directed at me but, I consider Britain (or, the British) as the ultimate ‘bastard nation’ (more so than the US, even). We’re anglo-saxon but also part French, part Nordic, part Germanic, part Roman, etc. and I for one am proud of our ‘melting pot’ heritage over the last 2000yrs.