Cabinet Simulation Comparison! The Xvive Mini DI, The Joyo American Sound, & the Marshall Law!
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- Опубліковано 23 лют 2018
- This is a comparison vid to show the differences between a mini DI cab sim and the joyo amp sim. This vid will show how they affect your sound separately as well as together. We will also use the joyo as a faux amp. Running it clean and dirty. As well as using pedal drive from the Marshall Law from Like My Pedals! Does the Joyo running direct benefit from an additional cab sim? Hopefully this will help answer that!
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Excellent demo and there are quite a few Joyo American demos on UA-cam but none I have seen show the Joyo totally clean (drive all the way down) like you did. That alone is super useful in getting a true understanding the pedal.
Plenty of others show the light and medium breakup it is capable of so that you didn't focus on that is ok and it wasn't what you were trying to show anyway. I'm late to the party on the Joyo but this was very useful, thanks. I'm going to give it a try along with the ADA GCS5, maybe it will help but maybe it won't even need it so I guess I'll see...
Glad you found it helpful! When I’ve used the Joyo I’ve always set it pretty clean and let pedals push it
The 3 together sounded amazing!
I use the same setup for some of my pedal demos! Thank you for this!
Pedal Lounge you’re welcome! Glad you found it helpful!
Great video! The American Sound into the cab sim has a sparkle (especially with the overdrive) that the dark cab sim alone does not. This may be the solution to the muddy sound I get running my pedals straight into my Mooer Audiofile's cab sim.
Thank you! Yes the Joyo beats the mini box. Much more versatility. The little box only has size and the xlr out in its favor.
Great experiment! I already have the American Sound and some overdrives and wanted to buy the xvive DI because of the cab sim. I find that the American Sound is great clean but a bit cold when you turn the drive knob up, and that coldness is gone with the cab sim of the Xvive.
Cristiano Ramos thank you! I also prefer them together best,
if you have the cash and space for it.
I got the Xvive and used it with my Joyo and it sounds great as you demonstrated.
Glad it worked out
@@aaronjlivecchiAnother plus is the added benefit of not having to drag a amp and going ampless and just plugging in directly thru the DI box or plug in directly to front of house and plug into a amp / monitor for stage sound.
Great video, super useful man. I would love it if somebody did this same experiment but with a mooer radar and a joyo
Oyarzun Kramer thank you! I def will if I ever get my hands on the radar! It looks really cool and I wanna try it.
Very helpful and thorough review, surprised it sounded pretty decent!
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful! :)
The American Sound is a little gem for the price.
sounds surprisingly great! Thnks man, you don't know how much this saves mmy budget!
Glad I could help!!
A lot of comments on why d.i. Cab sim with the joyo?....... so you can use the set up to go direct into a P.A.
with mic cord. Come in handy on jam nights. come with pedal board
and go direct into board. Sound guy will love you.
Thanks! The 20 seconds or so starting at 4:55 really show the benefit of the cab sim. It's not the clean sounds that need it, it's the rough, raw, unnatural edges that need to be taken off of the overdriven sounds.
Yes! The more gain you add. The more it shows. Glad you found it helpful!
Thanks for doing this! it's hard to find a good demo of these kinds of pedals running in a chain together. Thanks for putting the drive in front too, to see how the cab sim deals with that much noise
My pleasure! Glad you found it helpful! It was kinda something I was always personally curious about.
Mooer Audiofile headphone amp problem solved! Running my pedal chain into the Audiofile left me with either a fizzy, crappy overdrive sound with cab sim off, or a blanket-over-the-amp muddiness with amp sim on. Running the Joyo AS at the end of the chain into the Audiofile is a vast improvement. Since the AS is an amp sim (thus speaker sim as well), turning the Audiofile's amp sim off gives a more open-sounding true representation of how your pedals into an amp sound. I sometimes run the Audiofile with speaker sim on to give a thicker, meatier sound with overdrive and distortion, but with a tad more speaker-like resonance and thump. Instead of spending hundreds more for a "better" amp sim pedal with headphone out, thanks to your video, adding the $30.00 Joyo to my $79.00 Audiophile gives me a decent-sounding way to utilize my pedal chain with (quality) headphones. Great, helpful video.
That’s why I make these! Thank you! Glad I could help! I do a similar thing with the headphone output of the digitech Trio pedal. You can utilize its output to do an unplugged or ampless practice. But it doesn’t sound that great but the drive pedals. Stick the Joyo on into it and it’s a night and day difference.
great idea man, I had to screenshot your comment LOL!
Aaron J Livecchi I have a digitech RP355. It’s fizzy distortion no matter what you do, with headphones or monitors in particular. Got a Joyo AS yesterday, use RP355 only for cab sim to smooth out the already much improved JoYo output, and to add effects. My system now sounded better then what you get from thousands dollar setup that you cannot crank up at home anyway.
Nice! I’ve been using the Joyo Preamp House for direct use. That’s also a great option
These pedals are great. IMO they just have to be rehoused then will look great in a pedalboard. Im thinking of redoing a joyo American and make the graphics look like a fender deluxe amp
All three of them together has a much richer and stronger sound. The other ways sounded good too. But all three working together sounded the best.
Fantastic demo. Plz tell me, to set up plus a delay plus a reverb on this exact set you show here (plugged the balanced out cable from this mini DI cab Sim on), you just would plug both delay and reverb after the American and before the mini DI cam sim, correct? This would be the best way?
Depends. If running gain from
The American sound, put reverbs and delays and mods after. If it’s clean. Run it at the end of the signal.
Hey, lately im trying to figure out a nice way to connect my bass to the pa without a bass-amp. Now i have the xvive di, i'm wondering: What are your experiences on reliability? Any buzzing, noise or switch issues? It's a cheap di, and i want to know if its reliability enough for multiple live performances.
I’ve not noticed any significant noise with it. It doesn’t feel super sturdy. However. I’ve used it for a little and it hasn’t junked out on me yet. Not sure however how great it’ll be for bass.
The Caline Winecellar works super well for bass. Have gigged into the desk with it via its xlr output.
Interesting comparison, but it seems likely you could get the Joyo to do a lot of what the cab sim is doing, just by adjusting the voice and EQ knobs.
TooSlowTube it’s def more versatile. The joyo could prob get fairly close in tone. The cab sim only has the advantage of being smaller and an xlr out. Besides that the joyo is def the better choice. The best choice imo is both though if possible.
Yes, they probably should have put an XLR on the Joyo amp simulators. The Moen ones, and the Behringer BDI, GDI and Acoustic DI all have them.
It would be interesting to see how they shape a white noise sample, on a spectrum analyser. I'm not suggesting you should, but I've done that with a few things.
If you start with a good white noise sample that's giving a flat frequency response, in something like Audio Spectrum Analyser (for Windows) or Visual Analyser (for Android), you can then put it through a pedal and see what the EQ actually does. It's often surprising.
I guess a cab simulator is normally just a resonant filter, maybe with more than one hump.
TooSlowTube for sure about the analyzer. I wish I had the capabilities for it. I think I’ve seen a few mods for the joyo to have an xlr around the Internet.
You don't need much. I've used my PC to play a white noise sample I found on soundcloud, and a Behringer UCA202 cheapo USB sound card plugged into an android tablet, running Spectrum Analyze, which is very cheap... getting Android to accept the sound card was hit and miss though.
Then I switched to using the android tablet to play the sound sample, and plugged the USB sound card into the PC, running Visual Analyser, which is free.... I keep getting the two confused, because the names are so similar. There are others.
I could probably just use the PC to play the sample too, which might be simpler.
Using a mic input on a PC sound card, or an ipad, doesn't work because there's built in EQ, but anything you're happy with as a recording interface is probably up to the job.
I've seen lots of synth demos where people used an Ableton plugin or similar as a spectrum analyser too, but I don't have that.
I use the white noise sample from here, played in a loop:
soundcloud.com/onlinetonegenerator
You know when it's all set up right when you see that as a flat graph on the spectrum analyser software, from below 20Hz up to 20kHz or more.
When you put a pedal in between, you see the shape change, as you turn the knobs, and there's a fairly good chance there's then no way to get it flat. A cab sim isn't supposed to be flat, of course.
You'd also see interesting things like harmonics being added, from clipping, as you turn up the gain.
TooSlowTube that’s super interesting. I wonder if there’s any apps that do that for iPads. I’ll have to look into it more. I need a new laptop :/ mines oldddd
really great demo - thanks for posting! It really shows how important it is use a power amp sim to tame any drive pedals, especially if you record without amps, as I usually do. I haven't decided on whether to get the American or the California, but I'm leaning towards the American, as it sounds more versatile. You might want to experiment with an IR pedal like the Mooer Rader (for cab/mic sim setups). You can load your own IRs into it, or the thousands that are available on the Net. So many options for guitar players these days, the tech has come a long way!
I’d love to get one to demo for the channel. I usually use an amp. Sometimes I use my BigSkys amp sim when I need too. I prefer the American one. I’ve used that. The British. And the AC. The American one has the most headroom and takes pedals best imo.
Also thanks for the kind words!
my pleasure! @@aaronjlivecchi
Fuck yes. GREAT Comparison vid!! Thank you.
Sonicake IR is awesome too!
The DI honestly just sounded like a tweaked eq. Would have been cool to see if you could get close to the Joyo+DI sound by just using the Joyo alone and tweaking the eq, or by using the Joyo with an eq pedal after it.
I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if an eq pedal could suffice for a cab sim.
What do you prefer
Joyo at the last chain or joyo after the OD/dist?
Joseph Guitar last in the chain. No gain with volume cranked. Hitting it with dirt from pedals.
The Joyo already has a cab sim on it. It's emulating a fender amp with a cab mic'd up. I've been wanting to see a video with a drive going into the joyo though. Thanks for that!
Christian Chaisouang sure! Glad you found it helpful :)
Are you sure that Joyo pedal already have cab sim?
@@nobnobnobnob Joyo already has a cab sim on.
I think the analogue cab emulation on the Joyo isn't enough to take off the sharp edges when you're going into a p a .particularly if the drive is turned up a bit.
Is it possible to play, at the same time, balanced and unbalanced output of the xvive v13? One going to the amp, and other to the soundcard.
Thx.
Yes. You can use both outputs at once. But both will either have the cab sim on or off.
@@aaronjlivecchi great, thanks!
i have joyo and tech21 paradriver - i have never tried them together /// but i will
paradriver is a fantastic thing but expensive.... it's an eq and di in one box
Nice! I hear cool things about the tech series
I wondering if the cab sim in the Joyo American Sound can turn off. Maybe inside the box has an adittional switch to turn on/off the cab sim, i'm just wondering....It would be great to had that option for more versatility.
I’ve opened it. There’s no accessible switch. Unlike the Tech 21 pedal it clones. Which can turn the sim on and off.
@@aaronjlivecchi Thanks man,
the format of your videos are so great.
Appreciate that!
So btw sir what do you think of having American Ampsim and A Cabsim pedal ? I have bought mooer cabsim recently amd I just found out that american has already a cab on it. Should I use my cabsimulator or nah?
The American sound has a cab sim in it already. So it’d be stacked cab sims like this vid. You can probably just use a drive that sounds like the amp you like and would pair with the mooer fine
what is the output of your DI, unbalanced or balanced?
It has both an unbalanced quarter inch output. And a balanced xlr output.
Do you use an amp or it is direct in the mixer. Planning to buy a Di but i dont know how to use it. I also have an amp.
This vid was completely direct. I typically use an amp
If i blend clean signal and the american sound with boss ls2 so it s still a preamp or nah?
Im bass player anyway '3' ur vid are supa great
Thank you!! I’m not sure. The Joyo has a cab sim. So you may get a partial cab sim in the mix which may not sound good. What are you trying to accomplish?
@@aaronjlivecchi i just want its distorted sound but with a clean blend from my bass
It may turn out OK, but it was definitely more intended for guitar use. So it may not handle the low-end frequency that well.
how noisy does the cab di get?
I haven’t noticed any noise added from it personally. At least not with the one I have.
in other words, i could just but a mini di that will serve as my CLEAN and let the joyo do the drive, well that saved the bank
Thanks sir for this video.. Btw what do you think?
Overdrive sound better with joyo+DI or joyo only?
Youre welcome! I think the DI adds a nice texture or low end and the XLR out is nice too. But the extra isn’t that much. If you have the space and money. I’d say both. But the differences aren’t huge and you’d prob be ok with just the Joyo as well.
@@aaronjlivecchi thanku.. Ure awesome.. I buy sonicake twiggly and this joyo american after watch your video.. Last question, How is the sound produced if I add the cabsim from the sonicake? Because the signalchain cabsim before Joyo..
Joseph Guitar it may not be necessary to add both cab sims. But I’ve never done it. Couldn’t hurt to experiment.
what is the sound like when the DI box is in the last chain? I need to know before buying, thanks!
It is last in the chain
Marshall law. Into Joyo. Into DI.
@@aaronjlivecchi as i expected, thanks!
Is xvive cab sim analog or digital?
Analog I believe
Is the di basically a rebranded mooer micro di?
Most likely
@@aaronjlivecchi do u have any issues using both outputs simultaneousl?
I’ve had no issues with it. It helped me as I made this video.
@@aaronjlivecchi good to know. Thx!
You’re welcome!!
overdrive name please
Conde's House it’s the Marshal Law from Like My Pedals. Here’s a full demo of it - ua-cam.com/video/fYzyGxN3JUg/v-deo.html
Grosso modo you need sim amp and sim cab
Could someone tell me if the Joyo American Sound has a built-in cockpit simulator?
Your running an amp sim pedal into an already awesome amp with an expensive guitar so not sure how useful this is to the main people using the Joyo. You should maybe be running that to a PA or straight into the computer? Your clean sound with just guitar and amp is quite good so really the Joyo maybe give you a little bit more drive?? I would think you could just adjust your amp for that?? A person with the money to buy a Gibson would maybe just get the TECH 21 pedal ???
Gospelbluesman no amp is used in the vid. Gibson prices can vary. This one wasn’t super pricy at all
I edited the description. It was a inaccurate. Sorry for the confusion. No amp was used at all. All tones. Clean and dirty. Are directly into the interface.
@@aaronjlivecchi Okay thank for clearing that up , but that guitar does have a good sound direct without anything which is first on the video if I am not mistaken. I do own the Joyo pedal that I have used straight to PA or even very low tech into the mic input of a laptop. Of course better via an interface. One thing about the Joyo is that it is made in China and quality control sucks. The first one sent to me didn't work and was full of noise. The seller did replace free of charge after I sent a video of the noise.
Gospelbluesman I’ve heard mixed things about their quality. Personally I’ve never had a bad one sent to me. Despite owning a good number of Joyos throughout the years.
@@aaronjlivecchi I am happy you never did, but reviews show quality control is low. I also experienced it. However, when you do have one that works it does work good and should stand up well even taking it on the road. Like anything else make sure the return policy is good just encase.
cab sim on cabsim??????? plus I llbe using my Joyos with many peds in front of the real ss amp! SO: i would be wearing at least three amps, Joyo xwife and my amp, not to mention G2 multi and v-tone...DONT NEED NO CAB SIM, the Joyos already got one on, why on earth more cab sims?????
If you’re using a SS amp, why would you use either of these anyway?