Ramon. You are a Saint!!!! How you inspired me to writing! I was illiterate to the age of fifty on account of being a Bruderhof orphan for having been born illigitamate, spending most of my childhood in 'Ausschluss' Heini Arnold's quoting me many times: "Die Suende deiner Mutter IST in Dir, und die muss ich dir austreiben' - Thanks Ramon for all the many privaliges You imparted on me!! That also applies to Judy for all the generocities she showered me with when I spent time at your home!!!!!
This news coverage is most likely from 1997. The reporter mentioned how the community was founded “77 years ago.” The Bruderhof came into existence in 1920. With that being the case in addition to the computer style, this was definitely from 1997.
I wonder how Susanna is doing today Edit: She died from Hep C from a blood transfusion a few years after this aired. She was married at the time of her death.
I think her supposed reason of death is BS. Her husband had also left the cult, he also died suspiciously. I think their deaths were orchestrated by the cult. They had instances of being followed and threatened previously (which of course the cult will deny). The whole thing makes me so sad. She was so much fun and so creative, she had such an innate joy & light despite everything she went through.
These people might not be susceptible to the curent transgender derangement that is sweeping through the west but they are messed up in thier own beliefs which are not even biblical, such as stonewalling.
went to high school with the bruders & enjoyed thanksgiving with them one year. i feel like this is trying to make them seem more like a cult than they are. you can choose to stay or leave. if you leave - you can still see your family from what i understand. they're allowed to contact people outside of the commune.. and they often do. they are so kind and considerate to the people in town. especially the elders who live alone.
This program makes no sense. If he wanted to see his daughter, all he would have to do is walk in there and see her. Who is going to stop him? These people are trying to live like Jesus. As soon as they lay hands on him they go to hell. LOL I've seen people leave the Bruderhof and then return. Maybe some of their locations around the world are different than others. Who knows.
@@spuriouseffect, research Morningstar Commune in California and you will learn more about Ramone and the lifestyle he lived. It was a hippie commune. He lived there after he left his wife at the Bruderhof. You will understand why they we’re trying to protect his daughter and her family.
we are all wounded … and experiences are as diverse as the river as it winds down and around…my interactions with the bruderhoff.. have been filled with kindness and a willingness to change .
I have no problem woth people living wholesome, good lives. As long as they don't prey on the women and children in their group, I say, let them enjoy their lives and beliefs. I think theres another group in Pennsylvania or smthg that's pretty cool too.
It’s a common problem with all insular communities, because all people have a selfish and sinful side. There has to be some wiggle room or the people will either disintegrate as a group, or worse, devour one another.
You can find it in any organization from the White House down to even daycares or the police department, there will always be isolating circumstances where individuals are guilty when the organization as a whole is not.
I think it's about 20 years old. Look at the computer screens.... And the typical ca millenum fashion. So yeah, they've changed the styles a bit. Less hutterite and more mainstream now.
This is a relevant today as in I think it was 1992 shown on the computer orders on screen, when it was made- the extent to which in the US and here in the UK we let people alone even if people leave and whether any insular community should keep the children when a parent leaves. We see it all over from the ultra orthodox jews to this group - a King Solomon illustrated you cannot cut children in half so if exposure to the outside means the child is in a sense also split there is a circle it is hard to square. As divorce law goes with maintaining the status quo for children (unless they are in danger as with the FLDS under Warren Jeffs for example) it is not too surprising that courts often decide children are better off left in the groups. I would say to the groups that at the very least let parents and grandparents see photographs (as here).
It still costs money to live even if that money never makes its way into your pocket. The money goes to all the same things they would have used their paychecks on.
@@iraz82 I am also Anabaptist I wear a skirt and headcovering, but I never lived in a community like the video showed. I have so many questions. What age do they baptize the kids, are the seeking souls taught about sin and the reason you do the things you believe?
We really you don't know all the details but the organization in and of itself looks pretty good considering it is open and you're welcome to even stay without being religious to take a look at it from the inside. They truly do look pretty transparent.
Research, Ramon Sender and Morningstar Commune and Black Bear Ranch in California where he lived on those hippie communities. That’s were he went when he left the Bruderhauf. There was lots of worshipping nature, nudity and lots of drug use, especially LSD. Of course Sybil didn’t want her daughter exposed to those things! There is a lot of information on the internet about those communes and history, including Ramon writing about life there.
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@@emiliabobick3136 Are you saying that you see the number of likes? If not, that means they "disabled likes," which some people do when they don't want people to see their like:view ratio, or like:dislike ratio if done before dislikes were hidden.
why she was kissing a boy for at 14 ?? that is not accetable in most of the normal comunities....is not just the act of kissing a boy...is everyting else that tells about the mind set of a teenager that doesnt respect herself and the community values...I am orthodox and stand by the same values actually....
Who are you to judge !! I knew that young girl and the environment she was raised in. You say nothing about the man who snuck into her shower stall and kissed her against her will.
The story is appalling, for me Jesus means forgiveness and this is the thing that we should not forget about the message of the bible, it does not matter your sins, you are worth of love, compassion, and forgiveness
I do trust they believe in salvation by grace alone in Jesus Christ who is the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
Difference; Government. You WILL OWN NOTHING AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY. Living in a sharing community; You can be happy living in a sharing community, where IF your without, I'll share with you. And If I'm without, Someone will share with me.
This video is total B.S. !!!! It is also filmed a LONG time ago! How about allowing others to go and see and feel for themselves how it is to share time with the Bruderhof community? Come on. It's ridiculous how much you tried to twist things.
I was born and raised on the bruderhof. They put up a phony front. What you see is not what you get. They have the same power struggles any other closed group has. They would not admit to that, becauses they have to put forth a phony front . What you see is not what you get.
Ramon. You are a Saint!!!! How you inspired me to writing! I was illiterate to the age of fifty on account of being a Bruderhof orphan for having been born illigitamate, spending most of my childhood in 'Ausschluss' Heini Arnold's quoting me many times: "Die Suende deiner Mutter IST in Dir, und die muss ich dir austreiben' - Thanks Ramon for all the many privaliges You imparted on me!! That also applies to Judy for all the generocities she showered me with when I spent time at your home!!!!!
Do you know if he's still alive? Do you have any contact with the community now?
This news coverage is most likely from 1997. The reporter mentioned how the community was founded “77 years ago.” The Bruderhof came into existence in 1920. With that being the case in addition to the computer style, this was definitely from 1997.
There are far worse problems with families outside the Bruderhof I don’t blame them in trying to protect their community. God bless them!
Jesus spent his time with sinners. To keep families from seeing each other is a sin in itself.
I wonder how Susanna is doing today
Edit: She died from Hep C from a blood transfusion a few years after this aired. She was married at the time of her death.
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I think her supposed reason of death is BS. Her husband had also left the cult, he also died suspiciously. I think their deaths were orchestrated by the cult. They had instances of being followed and threatened previously (which of course the cult will deny).
The whole thing makes me so sad. She was so much fun and so creative, she had such an innate joy & light despite everything she went through.
I’d take this any day rather than raising children in a society that sees no wrong in castrating children
These people might not be susceptible to the curent transgender derangement that is sweeping through the west but they are messed up in thier own beliefs which are not even biblical, such as stonewalling.
Huh?
@@KennethHollandergender changes.
went to high school with the bruders & enjoyed thanksgiving with them one year. i feel like this is trying to make them seem more like a cult than they are. you can choose to stay or leave. if you leave - you can still see your family from what i understand. they're allowed to contact people outside of the commune.. and they often do. they are so kind and considerate to the people in town. especially the elders who live alone.
Pure propoganda to fool the public.
This program makes no sense. If he wanted to see his daughter, all he would have to do is walk in there and see her. Who is going to stop him? These people are trying to live like Jesus. As soon as they lay hands on him they go to hell. LOL I've seen people leave the Bruderhof and then return. Maybe some of their locations around the world are different than others. Who knows.
@@spuriouseffect, research Morningstar Commune in California and you will learn more about Ramone and the lifestyle he lived. It was a hippie commune. He lived there after he left his wife at the Bruderhof. You will understand why they we’re trying to protect his daughter and her family.
@@jannier9766 So they had a court order to keep the father away? That's what it would take legally. Otherwise he has the right to see his child.
Private property @@spuriouseffect
This is almost 30 years ago.
They are more open now.
Look up Laura from the Bruderhof… she has a you tube channel
we are all wounded … and experiences are as diverse as the river as it winds down and around…my interactions with the bruderhoff.. have been filled with kindness and a willingness to change .
I have no problem woth people living wholesome, good lives. As long as they don't prey on the women and children in their group, I say, let them enjoy their lives and beliefs. I think theres another group in Pennsylvania or smthg that's pretty cool too.
The world needs these people
It’s a common problem with all insular communities, because all people have a selfish and sinful side. There has to be some wiggle room or the people will either disintegrate as a group, or worse, devour one another.
You can find it in any organization from the White House down to even daycares or the police department, there will always be isolating circumstances where individuals are guilty when the organization as a whole is not.
It isn’t a commune, it’s an Intentional Community!
Seems like a good community to me.
For more than a decade now, USRPRFL only ever posts outdated hit-jobs on the Bruderhof.
probably because they are inbred and despite their imagine they have secrets
I know people from a colony and they don't dress at all like this. These folks resemble Hutterites.
I think it's about 20 years old. Look at the computer screens.... And the typical ca millenum fashion. So yeah, they've changed the styles a bit. Less hutterite and more mainstream now.
@@Hanna-yn5ou
They broke w the Hutterites
Before u say anything,not all colonies are like this
I admire the Bruderhof. Susannah is just plain rebellious.
How will Ramon get pictures of the grandkids?
This is a relevant today as in I think it was 1992 shown on the computer orders on screen, when it was made- the extent to which in the US and here in the UK we let people alone even if people leave and whether any insular community should keep the children when a parent leaves. We see it all over from the ultra orthodox jews to this group - a King Solomon illustrated you cannot cut children in half so if exposure to the outside means the child is in a sense also split there is a circle it is hard to square. As divorce law goes with maintaining the status quo for children (unless they are in danger as with the FLDS under Warren Jeffs for example) it is not too surprising that courts often decide children are better off left in the groups. I would say to the groups that at the very least let parents and grandparents see photographs (as here).
I just want to know where the money goes? $25million gross profit? With zero labor costs? Someone’s getting RICH…of course it’s the Bro’s!
The money goes to living expenses for the community as well as medical expenses, and other needs.
Plus they help charity and good causes after their community needs and growth operations
It still costs money to live even if that money never makes its way into your pocket. The money goes to all the same things they would have used their paychecks on.
it goes to the church. just like all other Christians they lie lie lie and take take take. they have a private jet 😂
I wonder how Susan is doing right now.
She actually died in her early 20s from overdose
@@brigitte7236 that is so sad. Her poor parents!
Brigitte, that is a complete lie. She did pass away in her late 20’s but that is not the reason. Please don’t tell lies on here.
@@iraz82 could you tell me how you know?
@@iraz82 I am also Anabaptist I wear a skirt and headcovering, but I never lived in a community like the video showed. I have so many questions. What age do they baptize the kids, are the seeking souls taught about sin and the reason you do the things you believe?
Wow.
Where is their church ? Youre standing in it !
That poor man, he should’ve brought them to court and fought for custody of his daughter
We really you don't know all the details but the organization in and of itself looks pretty good considering it is open and you're welcome to even stay without being religious to take a look at it from the inside. They truly do look pretty transparent.
He lived on a hippie commune after that. Research Morningstar Commune in California. Not a place to raise children.
Research, Ramon Sender and Morningstar Commune and Black Bear Ranch in California where he lived on those hippie communities. That’s were he went when he left the Bruderhauf. There was lots of worshipping nature, nudity and lots of drug use, especially LSD. Of course Sybil didn’t want her daughter exposed to those things! There is a lot of information on the internet about those communes and history, including Ramon writing about life there.
30 year old hit piece
CBS is a pack of jews
It is a monastic (albeit a Protestant Catholic one) and being open to outsiders is not their cardinal principle.
You shouldn't disable the "Like" button. It conveys insecurity and lack of transparency. Have confidence in your content, and the integrity to face feedback.
the like button is not disabled
@@emiliabobick3136 yes it is
@@jayg4424 on mine it isn't -- Hmmm interesting! Try signing in and out again... Nobody would purposely disable a 'like' button!
@@emiliabobick3136 Are you saying that you see the number of likes? If not, that means they "disabled likes," which some people do when they don't want people to see their like:view ratio, or like:dislike ratio if done before dislikes were hidden.
why she was kissing a boy for at 14 ?? that is not accetable in most of the normal comunities....is not just the act of kissing a boy...is everyting else that tells about the mind set of a teenager that doesnt respect herself and the community values...I am orthodox and stand by the same values actually....
And the orthodoxy you follow is exactly why teens rebel, why teens no longer trust their parents and can not talk to them
Who are you to judge !! I knew that young girl and the environment she was raised in. You say nothing about the man who snuck into her shower stall and kissed her against her will.
most people secretly kiss around this time. it's normal. stop acting like you're perfect
The story is appalling, for me Jesus means forgiveness and this is the thing that we should not forget about the message of the bible, it does not matter your sins, you are worth of love, compassion, and forgiveness
I do trust they believe in salvation by grace alone in Jesus Christ who is the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
Sound a lo5 like the old Shaker communities.
The Shakers did not believe in sex. They adopted orphans and abandoned children.
You will own nothing and be happy?
Difference; Government. You WILL OWN NOTHING AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY. Living in a sharing community; You can be happy living in a sharing community, where IF your without, I'll share with you. And If I'm without, Someone will share with me.
This video is total B.S. !!!! It is also filmed a LONG time ago! How about allowing others to go and see and feel for themselves how it is to share time with the Bruderhof community? Come on. It's ridiculous how much you tried to twist things.
I was born and raised on the bruderhof. They
put up a phony front. What you see is not what you get.
They have the same power struggles any other closed group has. They would not admit to that, becauses they have to put forth a phony front . What you see is not what you get.
she made her choice ` the cruelty isnt from her parents. Why does she insist they have to talk? she obviously has nothing in common with them.
Because children wants their parents love.
Cc ppl