Speed and reflex needs to be standardised. So below 1 inch = 5 and within 5fps of ibo = 5 or something. Elite got a 1 for reflex and had the same measurement. Also speed was inside 10fps on the elite and got the same score as this which is outside 10fps.
I agree... Speed within 5 fps of advertised they get 5 points. Within 8 fps 4 points. Within 12 fps 3 points. Within 16 fps 2 points. Lastly anything over 16 fps 1 point.
Hey Brother. To be completely honest, that is the first Hoyt that I actually like the look of. It's a little longer than I normally shoot, but that's something I could adjust to. Thanks for including this one into your test.
Been loving the reviews! They make these bows now days with 0 tolerance precision. I love how you say they are off using a wooden measuring stick that only measures in 1/8s lol. Just giving you some shit keep up the good videos
I really appreciate your honest reviews on bows. Its helpful in helping me narrow down new bows for when i make my upgrade this off season. Thanks again.
I would love to see you do a review on some APA bows. I have heard you mention them before and I would love to hear what your opinion is on the new black Mamba pro and king cobra DG.
i think someone already mentioned it... but when you said you wished the wall was harder, did you try the other setting on the draw stop? Getting rid of the e-clips was a great thing IMO. Hated those things. Thanks for the review!
Hoyt in his top 3 brands I bet lol! $$$:) Also he stated elite was not popular out west awhile back….and because they’re built on east coast. “I live in Midwest and hunt the Rockies and elite pretty popular!” Hey I loved the Ethos! Actually enough I ordered one in slate grey! Thought it was impressive! Wonder how the ethos cycle would be with smooth mods compared to this cycle??? 🤔 interesting! Maybe all these bow testers should should blindfolded for the shots and have someone else measure specs and speeds then after the test see what bows win with the highest rating and personal feel;) But hey opinions are like assholes everyone’s got one right!
Did you shoot that bow on75,80 or 85% let off because those speeds could be altered the only reason I’m asking that is because the Matthews that you tested got a five on speed but was also well under the publish speed
When you draw back I see there’s a bar hitting your wrist. That would definitely be an issue with all the gear I’ve had to wear in the cold temps this season. That design just seems like a huge flaw if you are hunting with layers on.
@PodiumArcher best reviews on UA-cam. Might you Please re-review this bow with your current testing and evaluation/scoring system. Would love to see what this bow does at 30 inch draw with the various arrow weights you now use. Keep up the awesome content. 🥇
Looks like the prices on the 24 bows are higher on their website than what they told you they’d be…by a couple hundred in some cases. Also, have you tried the back wall adjustment setting for a harder feel? If not, probably not right to ding them on that.
So the vibration tester, do you think that what you may be reading is the vibration from drawing the bow? If so, maybe you could use an assistant to reset the meter after you draw the bow, before the shot. Great reviews nonetheless!
Great performance on the top of shorter mod but its been like that its nice they are making mods for more people, but lets be honest its time to step up the adjustability and tune ability. Definitely a bow that would be just as easy at 80lbs but might not be worth the fps. Great repeatable shooter but so is the 34 or 33 from the past. Hard to justify a new bow with previous offerings being on sale and neck and neck in the lineup. Just glad everyone is up for the competition and pushing in the right direction every year! Nice that nobody is resting on their past laurels. Hard to find a bad offering anymore! Thank you for your thorough reviews they are worth watching over and over.
"Great performance on the top of shorter mod" Can you explain what you mean by this? I'm considering buying the 27-29 mod on a 33. How is the performance different than other mods? I have a 27.5 draw but I'll likely set up at 27-3/4 as my nitrum at 27.5 feels a whisker short. Thanks.
@@robgodfrey699 the mods are in incremental adjustments. 27-29 for instance will give you better performance at 29. Same can be said for 29-31. The top of each mod usually gains a little as it is at the peak of the draw cycle and at a longer draw length as well, probably doesn’t hurt. If your peak draw is at 27.5 a mod at 28 (if available) adjusted slightly would still yield a better draw cycle (possibly) and better performance. For example I shoot a mod that peaks at 30 so I cant get the maximum benefit at my 29.5 draw but if I had a mod that peaked at 29.5 it would perform better at the top of that mod for me. Hope I didn’t make that more confusing. Cheers, and good luck.
I just ordered one in tombstone, they look awesome, damn I gotta stop buying bows I only bought my mach 34 about 3 months ago the a elite verdict 2 months before that. Gonna have to sell some bows.
@tonyviers-de9qi same im due for an upgrade and want something in the 33 or 34" ata range. Too many choices. And being lefty makes it hard to even shoot them because most bow shops dont stock them
@@saw6f4I can’t ever find a shop with lefty bows when I am searching . So as lefties we are a minority and need to gather against the oppression of the right handed and demand equality. This discrimination must end.😂
Hello Lucas my name is Gerry Houston what is your all around bow that you use. I don't have many options where I live in Pennsylvania. One dealer close to me has Hoyt,Mathews,and Bowtech. And a couple elite dealers . No prime dealers I know of. I'm a short guy at 5'7 230 pounds I'm looking to buy a new bow Im looking between Hoyt and Elite
Bowtech Fanboy checking out a Hoyt. It certainly will have his bias, but as far as biased reviews go, MFJJ is pretty good. He already did a "homer review" on the Bowtech's. So let's see him flame the Hoyt and compare that to his love for the Bowtech to get a real idea what is here. Well MFJJ was pretty good. Flamed the snot out of Hoyt for the old archaic shim system ? Just because everyone is doing it,doesn't mean you have to. But I agree, something like PSE has would rock. The drop in speed is very unHoyt like. Was it rest related or just slow ? Hoyt used to post over IBO ratings not long ago. Me thinks the Dennis Richard, Exact D/L ,I think it is his ?,,,appears to maybe slow the cam rotation a bit, but that should be taken into consideration before posting IBO speeds. My only objection to most of all this is how can you shoot a bow test without making sure the bow is timed and paper tuned ? We know timing results in more or less vibration. We know arrow paper can impact speed too going thru a Chrono. FMJJ, take the next step and drawboard the cams and paper tune the bow. This bow has settings to adjust the string stop to firmer or looser which I didn't hear mentioned ? Also the exact D/L as well as 3 let off settings 75,80,85. Does speed vary there ? Might be why it's off a bit on speed ? Let's see the bow @ 75% let off. All in all from a Bowtech Fan Boy you were pretty good over all. Bowtech you would go higher and on other brands you go lower on various aspects. Hoyt say this grip is their best ever ??? lol The riser looked vey much Bowtech, and Hoyt purportedly has corrected the shelf to allow room for a full window.
Shooting a 300 VAP TKO elite arrow. 28.5” DL right at 70 pounds. What set up with outserts, collars ETC should I run up front for the best penetration I could get out of that arrow?
Fire your camera man, seriously. Stopped the video after 1:45 due to nausea. It looks like a child was filming with a flip phone. Otherwise I enjoy your opinions and content.
Speed and reflex needs to be standardised. So below 1 inch = 5 and within 5fps of ibo = 5 or something. Elite got a 1 for reflex and had the same measurement. Also speed was inside 10fps on the elite and got the same score as this which is outside 10fps.
Agreed, maybe in a future video he can just show him comparing all the scores and changing all the stuff he needs to adjust
I agree... Speed within 5 fps of advertised they get 5 points. Within 8 fps 4 points. Within 12 fps 3 points. Within 16 fps 2 points. Lastly anything over 16 fps 1 point.
Outstanding bow! Thankful for your consistent, non biased reviews. Keep spreading the archery knowledge!
Your bow reviews are always top notch, keep it up!
Hey Brother. To be completely honest, that is the first Hoyt that I actually like the look of. It's a little longer than I normally shoot, but that's something I could adjust to. Thanks for including this one into your test.
The caged riser looks like an elite. Nice looking bow with great features. Just wish that they would add self tuning options.
I ordered one of these (Wilderness) a week ago. looking forward to the arrival.
Been loving the reviews! They make these bows now days with 0 tolerance precision. I love how you say they are off using a wooden measuring stick that only measures in 1/8s lol. Just giving you some shit keep up the good videos
Thank you for everything you do josh, we know you have little time but you're changing archery for the better.
I really appreciate your honest reviews on bows. Its helpful in helping me narrow down new bows for when i make my upgrade this off season. Thanks again.
I'd love it if you measured string angle in your bow reviews. Everything else is top notch!
Thank you for all the break downs of the bows. Great videos!
I would love to see you do a review on some APA bows. I have heard you mention them before and I would love to hear what your opinion is on the new black Mamba pro and king cobra DG.
That vibration test was cool.
Great review!!! Really diggin the DIY vids too!! Cheers
This makes me want to go try this Hoyt and sell my VXR28!
i think someone already mentioned it... but when you said you wished the wall was harder, did you try the other setting on the draw stop? Getting rid of the e-clips was a great thing IMO. Hated those things. Thanks for the review!
just set one up...think I made a good choice for my next hunt. thanks for the review. CH
Sheeesh what a beautiful bow
Hoyt in his top 3 brands I bet lol! $$$:) Also he stated elite was not popular out west awhile back….and because they’re built on east coast. “I live in Midwest and hunt the Rockies and elite pretty popular!” Hey I loved the Ethos! Actually enough I ordered one in slate grey! Thought it was impressive! Wonder how the ethos cycle would be with smooth mods compared to this cycle??? 🤔 interesting!
Maybe all these bow testers should should blindfolded for the shots and have someone else measure specs and speeds then after the test see what bows win with the highest rating and personal feel;)
But hey opinions are like assholes everyone’s got one right!
I still like my Carbon spider, 510 grain arrow at 292 fps and very accurate.
The timing on these videos is perfect
Did you shoot that bow on75,80 or 85% let off because those speeds could be altered the only reason I’m asking that is because the Matthews that you tested got a five on speed but was also well under the publish speed
This might possibly be my next bow. Sweet
Always like your bow reviews. Looks like another bad ass Hoyt 🤙
When you draw back I see there’s a bar hitting your wrist. That would definitely be an issue with all the gear I’ve had to wear in the cold temps this season. That design just seems like a huge flaw if you are hunting with layers on.
LOL " little longer", they are not measuring with a .99 yard stick man. It's measured from the machining program on the cnc hole to hole.
@PodiumArcher best reviews on UA-cam. Might you Please re-review this bow with your current testing and evaluation/scoring system. Would love to see what this bow does at 30 inch draw with the various arrow weights you now use. Keep up the awesome content. 🥇
Looks like the prices on the 24 bows are higher on their website than what they told you they’d be…by a couple hundred in some cases.
Also, have you tried the back wall adjustment setting for a harder feel? If not, probably not right to ding them on that.
Good review. Perhaps Hoyt should send you a t shirt.
So the vibration tester, do you think that what you may be reading is the vibration from drawing the bow? If so, maybe you could use an assistant to reset the meter after you draw the bow, before the shot. Great reviews nonetheless!
I wonder if twisting the strings and cables a bit and getting the Axle to axle in spec would pre-load the limbs a bit and pick up a few fps speed?
Would you say you liked the vtm better than the alpha or vice versa?
Great performance on the top of shorter mod but its been like that its nice they are making mods for more people, but lets be honest its time to step up the adjustability and tune ability. Definitely a bow that would be just as easy at 80lbs but might not be worth the fps. Great repeatable shooter but so is the 34 or 33 from the past. Hard to justify a new bow with previous offerings being on sale and neck and neck in the lineup. Just glad everyone is up for the competition and pushing in the right direction every year! Nice that nobody is resting on their past laurels. Hard to find a bad offering anymore!
Thank you for your thorough reviews they are worth watching over and over.
"Great performance on the top of shorter mod" Can you explain what you mean by this? I'm considering buying the 27-29 mod on a 33. How is the performance different than other mods? I have a 27.5 draw but I'll likely set up at 27-3/4 as my nitrum at 27.5 feels a whisker short. Thanks.
@@robgodfrey699 the mods are in incremental adjustments. 27-29 for instance will give you better performance at 29. Same can be said for 29-31. The top of each mod usually gains a little as it is at the peak of the draw cycle and at a longer draw length as well, probably doesn’t hurt.
If your peak draw is at 27.5 a mod at 28 (if available) adjusted slightly would still yield a better draw cycle (possibly) and better performance.
For example I shoot a mod that peaks at 30 so I cant get the maximum benefit at my 29.5 draw but if I had a mod that peaked at 29.5 it would perform better at the top of that mod for me.
Hope I didn’t make that more confusing. Cheers, and good luck.
@@travisalderete5386 That makes sense. Thanks
@@travisalderete5386 Is the only improvement fps?
@@robgodfrey699 depends on the bow, draw weight, etc but yeah usually gain a little fps at the higher end of any mods from Hoyts newer offerings.
Thank goodness we got confirmation on the giveaways. So have the odds decreased? 1 in 25? How many signed up?
I have been asking about it on the podcast and tims as well for a while now
I'll be surprised if the Giveaways ever happen.
I just ordered one in tombstone, they look awesome, damn I gotta stop buying bows I only bought my mach 34 about 3 months ago the a elite verdict 2 months before that. Gonna have to sell some bows.
I’m not a Hoyt guy never will be but I’m impressed
Why is it slower 30 inches? Thought it would be faster the longer the draw.
I am confused on this also. Thanks
Bottom of the mod. 29" is the top of the #2 mod.
Think matthews new hunting bows will look like the title. I don't think they will do carbon this year
That was the best motivation to buy a Bowtech Core SR, I have seen so far. Thanks.
So far for me it’s between core sr and elite ethos
@tonyviers-de9qi same im due for an upgrade and want something in the 33 or 34" ata range. Too many choices. And being lefty makes it hard to even shoot them because most bow shops dont stock them
@@saw6f4I can’t ever find a shop with lefty bows when I am searching . So as lefties we are a minority and need to gather against the oppression of the right handed and demand equality. This discrimination must end.😂
If you don’t have a bow press for past parallel limbs and don’t live near a pro shop you are better off with a Bowtech or Elite for tuning…
I really like your videos good job. Alpha x33 or bowtech sx80?
I was really hoping the new cams would work on RX7s. Not a chance. I like the idea of not dumping speed by going to 30.5. Can’t be that lucky
Nice Mathews shirt 😂
Great bow. Do you think its better the X 30 for shorter shooters?
Sweet. Finally
Hello Lucas my name is Gerry Houston what is your all around bow that you use. I don't have many options where I live in Pennsylvania. One dealer close to me has Hoyt,Mathews,and Bowtech. And a couple elite dealers . No prime dealers I know of. I'm a short guy at 5'7 230 pounds I'm looking to buy a new bow Im looking between Hoyt and Elite
Great review
Are you going to get the spacer in stock on your website for the cams
As far as the extra machining…. Great , but what did it accomplish?
Why not try the different back wall settings?
whats the cam lean at full draw look like, toe rag...?
Way better camera focus up close! A little too much movement though.... maybe put some podium stabilizers on it. 😂
Is that a sea hawks flag I see behind the white board? 👍
Bowtech Fanboy checking out a Hoyt. It certainly will have his bias, but as far as biased reviews go, MFJJ is pretty good. He already did a "homer review" on the Bowtech's. So let's see him flame the Hoyt and compare that to his love for the Bowtech to get a real idea what is here.
Well MFJJ was pretty good. Flamed the snot out of Hoyt for the old archaic shim system ? Just because everyone is doing it,doesn't mean you have to. But I agree, something like PSE has would rock. The drop in speed is very unHoyt like. Was it rest related or just slow ? Hoyt used to post over IBO ratings not long ago. Me thinks the Dennis Richard, Exact D/L ,I think it is his ?,,,appears to maybe slow the cam rotation a bit, but that should be taken into consideration before posting IBO speeds.
My only objection to most of all this is how can you shoot a bow test without making sure the bow is timed and paper tuned ? We know timing results in more or less vibration. We know arrow paper can impact speed too going thru a Chrono.
FMJJ, take the next step and drawboard the cams and paper tune the bow. This bow has settings to adjust the string stop to firmer or looser which I didn't hear mentioned ? Also the exact D/L as well as 3 let off settings 75,80,85. Does speed vary there ? Might be why it's off a bit on speed ? Let's see the bow @ 75% let off.
All in all from a Bowtech Fan Boy you were pretty good over all. Bowtech you would go higher and on other brands you go lower on various aspects. Hoyt say this grip is their best ever ??? lol
The riser looked vey much Bowtech, and Hoyt purportedly has corrected the shelf to allow room for a full window.
Disappointing release. 1/4" length adjustment is nice.
Shooting a 300 VAP TKO elite arrow. 28.5” DL right at 70 pounds. What set up with outserts, collars ETC should I run up front for the best penetration I could get out of that arrow?
Isn't there 2 different settings for the backwall?
Yes, h is hard back wall and hx is softer
I thought HX was harder, not softer@@josephporfido2433
The msrp should be $1449 according to their website
Thanks
Good nightJohn where are you located?
Plastic or aluminum limb pockets
Mackenzie Bridge
Are they offered in all of the Hoyt colors
If you decide to give one of these bad boys away 🎉 let me know I'll fly up to do a build with one of the best in the business just saying
Any new target bows from Hoyt?
whats the name of the color?
How the draw cycle compared to Bowtech SR?
29" draw is faster indeed.
Why is that?
@@scottbowen4997 cuz the setting is on the maximum draw length of that module.
JJ could you get someone who had a short draw length shoot the 26 to 27 in mod with a chrono test?!?!?! Please Sir JJ
No need to chrono every draw length. Just subtract 10 FPS per inch and you will be very close.
Lol Mathews bow videos on your Chanel have 50 and 70 thousand views
I think you were generous on features
First!
Who the heck does a giveaway a year later on a one year old bow
Thanks Mfer
There is awful high pitch buzz in your vids now
Tell me you're biased without telling me you're biased
Hoyt never seems to amaze me at how ugly they can make a compound bow
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Fire your camera man, seriously. Stopped the video after 1:45 due to nausea. It looks like a child was filming with a flip phone. Otherwise I enjoy your opinions and content.
Looks like a elite..
Thank you.
Looks a bit like bowtech
Hey look...the riser design Hoyt stole from Martin
When bows cost more then AR15 then bows are way over priced. Only difference in this and last year bow cam adjustment. Very disappointing