@@TemporaryInsane lmao Myron always screams and kicks people out he doesn't agree with on his own podcast and yet you're saying he's not "emotional". Myron is one of the most emotional people I've seen tbh. He also constantly self projects.
@@TemporaryInsane I love that people like you intentionally ignore the rest of the conversation just so you could keep this delusional idea that Hasan looked bad in this debate.
Hasaan fans really are hilarious selective hearing to further validate their delusion 🤣 Myron was talking calmly the whole time about the case& Hasaan was the first one to yell would you like a time stamp ?
man was debating 3 people and making coherent points and still had the brain capacity to take little digs at them and roast them on the side. what a beast
…actually he was making personal attacks because he was getting mad when he realized his points were falling apart which is extremely immature and low iq
@@Username-dh3mn As a cis het macho man like F&F nothing disgusts me more than women. Ain't I right, boys? Eewwww to women! Men are so much better! Their soft but strong arms, their hairy chest. Nothing better than rubbing coconut oil on my boys before going to the all-men nude beach. Oh yeah
@@ngotemna8875 i’m dead af cuz for a second i was taking u serious and that’s sad af cuz ppl do talk like that 😂😂😂😂😂it’s like bro there’s nothing wrong w being gay
Their “women are more emotional” argument literally works against them: a woman suffering from postpartum depression does not want to go through an emotionally exhaustive trial and open herself to heavy scrutinization with a compromised mental health status; so, she makes a deal with prosecutors and utilizes her fifth amendment right.
“Postpartum depression” doesn’t give woman a reason to act like an ldiot Or to be “mentally exhausted.” Society finds every reason to hold a woman to the standard of a child.
@@BRlGADE_KINGPIN ......do you know what postpartum depression is? pregnancy literally alters a person's body and brain chemistry irreversibly. it is a serious medical condition that is exacerbated by the incredible physical trauma that happens during even a complication-free birth.
They would look less ridiculous making this argument if they didn't also act like a hysterical teenage girl with wet knickers. They have zero emotional continence.
Academiks is pathetic. The way he gets on his high horse about rap culture promoting violence and then as soon as a rapper is violent towards a woman he totally flips is honestly so embarrassing.
he's an actual, real life, baby-brain adult. It's truly baffling that people take his crap seriously. HOW CAN ANYONE BE SO WRONG YET SO CONFIDENT?! (ok so I finally realized what the dude was trying to communicate, but he's still wrong anyway. I THINK he's thinking of when people take a plea deal, and included in that plea deal they agree that they can't take the 5th, and they have to answer all the questions asked of them; they just won't get in trouble for it [in the case that they have immunity].. or something like that. Wowzers)
I think it's a misunderstanding, I think he means unless there's potential to incriminate yourself. He just said it wrong. Hasan also misspoke saying you can use it 'in any circumstance', when I think he meant 'regardless of guilt'.
@@metalface_villain You clearly don't understand how the 5th works. A person cannot be compelled to be a witness AGAINST HIMSELF. That is literally what the 5th amendment says. You cannot invoke the 5th amendment unless there is at least a reasonable possibility that you could incriminate yourself. In theory you don't have the right to invoke the 5th unless you have committed a crime but that is sort of irrelevant since it's not the subject of the trial to determine if you, the witness, have committed a crime. But if there is clearly no way you have committed one you cannot invoke the 5th and will be held in contempt of court if you do so regardless.
@@NotYourBusiness-bp2qn Thanks for your own interpretation of the 5th amendment, thankfully we have a Supreme Court decision on this exact topic which is the law of the land that disproves you.
Fresh and fit lost immediately after being blatantly wrong about Americans' 5th amendment right while rerereasserting his "experience" working in this field. So many people really do just listen to the loudest, most confident man in the room more times than not.
u cannot plead the 5th unless u are culpable or could be seen as culpable for something illegal ... hasan is 100% wrong that is not the same as the miranda right which is the right to remain silent
@Exodia nah, I fact checked myself before posting this. "Culpable" is defined as "deserving blame," so it is mutually exclusive with the intention of the 5th amendment. Also consider, a plaintiff who has provided a statement may be using the 5th in future questioning scenarios to preserve the initial testimony. In this case, the party in question endure great loss and is dealing with psychosis in between testimonies, right?
@Allen Wilson let me quote from definition: "A form of privilege, set out in the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution, that gives an individual the right to refuse to answer any questions or make any statements that could be used in a criminal proceeding to help establish that the person committed a crime." u CANNOT plead the 5th as a witness if the information u would provide has nothing to do with incriminating u in a crime and could not be construde that way. it's as simple as that. there's nothing more to add it's black and white. anyone who works in law and/or the courts like myrron will tell u this. that's why they called him Lasan it's just an L u have to hold. its like trying to argue against a rock being rock... it just it by definition. ps in future testimony to preserve the initial testimony ... because if ur seen as changing your testimony that's an offence... so it would protect u against incriminating yourself by accidently recalling things wrong the 2nd time way later down the line 🤦🏽
@@vkdeen7570 I completely understand this sentiment, definition and what is being asserted. However, I still fundamentally disagree with your statement "you cannot plead the 5th as a witness if the information..." because Kelsey DID plead the 5th, and it has been legally upheld so far. This is because the only concrete exclusion for pleasing the 5th is when you are not being held for questioning; if you are free to go the whole topic is moot. One may plead the 5th at any time when being directly questioned by prosecutors, law enforcement etc., but the issue arises when viewers of this mess assume that she is admitting guilt and hiding things by pleading the 5th. When, Trump plead the 5th last month, hundreds of times, how do we view this --- in the same light? Tldr; motivation for pleading the 5th is irrelevant to the validity of the plea. It's function is to prevent compulsory self-implication, but this is not mutually exclusive with the contexts in which it may be pleaded. Edit: I personally believe Kelsey IS culpable, but this is a separate notion to our debate over 5th amendment usage. However, we also do not actually know if Kelsey's PPD and mental health is genuinely effecting her under questioning. It is possible that she is a complete snake, or completely innocent and struggling deeply. I still have a lot to learn about this case to form an opinion on the totality of it though.
Why are they fighting for or against them? It's weird either way I see no reason to care about this thing. Maybe it's a 'simp' thing, idk i am not into this onlyfans culture i feel like i wasted my time to listening to 20 mins of this. ;/ Reee-
Ok to be fair aks take on the Megan situation is obviously bonkers but listening to hasan say that fresh and fit don’t have enough clout to debate him and tell them to debate destiny who he endless shits on for being bad faith was so cringe
Man I can't believe you sat amongst all of that stupidity and not only dismantled their so called argument but kept your cool throughout. Got you a new subscriber.
It's not as hard as you think... these angry men are not trying to convince Hasan... they are trying to attack him personally, while also trying to gaslight themselves...
As a witness, you can only plead the 5th if she has reason to believe it will incriminate HER. Otherwise no, she can’t just sit there and plead the 5th on the stand for everything.
no u can only plead if u think it can incriminate u. u cant plead the fifth for anything. and why would she pleaed the fifth when she has immunity to being charged? that shows on some level that u think details of this story can or would incriminate you despite not being able to be charged, that shows clear guilt to some degree
@@artcowboy constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-5/#:~:text=No%20person%20shall%20be%20held,the%20same%20offence%20to%20be Nothing more cringe than telling people to look something up, and just being flat out wrong.
The dude saying that was incoherent of course but a ton of Nazis are cucks because they’re super cognizant of race differences so they fetishize the fuck out of interracial cuck p*rn. It’s very funny and I wish this fact was used to mock them more.
@@PhilRockwelltheir points weren’t worth listening to all the way through… you can tell what their point is a mile away because they are so predictable
@@paulpujeter6340 Childish take bruh. After hearing Hassan's fifth amendment argument, it's clear too say, he's a google Gruber who's way out of his wheelhouse. Don't be delusional like that wannabe debater. Makes for good content you can go back watch , and troll tho, I'll give him that. 😉
@@PhilRockwell you’re making it seem like a Google Guber is bad. I’d rather hear debates from people who RESEARCHED like Hasan, than people argue using theories and speculations. Bc you’re just going around in circles at that point. Like it was proven rn that the 3 men were going lol
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
@@onDohReacts Actually, feminist project more than anyone else. They scream and complain about opression but have the most privilage. This is not an example of redpill, because it's not woman-hating it's just not woman-praising, hence why women hate it
Gotta love how the question of Did he shoot her? becomes "But did her friend lie, but did she cheat, but did she actually see him, but was there perjury, but did Kylie argue"
Who is Marvin? You mean Myron? Don’t forget to thank him or your way out. He was arresting high profile criminals and protecting your family while you were sitting on your butt. Have a nice day
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single
The world is a very dark place but im glad i can hear a single reasonable voice like hasan. It leaves a tiny bit of hope that not every person has brain damage
He have brain damage, the twitter one but he isn't like these mindless drones salivating to suck f&f meat. It's frankly disturbing how much they hate him just cause he went against their idols (same men shit on kpop fans as if they are any different)
Edit: Merry Christmas all lovely lefties! - Paused the chat to look at the fresh and fit twitch messages. Holy shit that's an insane amount of copium being inhaled, hahahaha. Absolutely amazing levels of brainrot. Would not recommend
@@Ruder6163 Tory is guilty, frank and beans and their lemming, were wrong and has been convicted and now faces 20+ years in prison. Shut up and move on.
@@BRlGADE_KINGPINlet's reformulate what you say without the bad faith "you guys are too emotional to think that a political science major knows the law better than some random ex fed"
I can't take these jabs Hasan just throws in during his arguments. They always fucking get me and I have to rewatch the delivery because it's so natural and they are so funny.
@@iridescencywhat? Had no actual response to his point just used discord mod terminology lmao. And 7 others liked it also without being able to say anything.
@@iridescency it’s sad that you literally know that ain’t true but can’t accept that daddy lost a debate proven by him at the end literally saying “you got me” and “I’m terrible at debating im not a good debater”. That’s LITERALLY a cope my guy
@@ANUKO97 lol he checked all 3 of them that's why they didn't let ak talk because Hes an idiot who thinks no jumper's plea is verbatim. Hasan should attack these fucks who literally have said all kinds of dumb shit about Megan for their personal connection. You aren't even a tory fan, you're just anti women.
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
@@Gen5Switchy bro a lawyer is going to be on the side that is promoting them. Fresh and fit do so much they would bring in a Dr. There way of talking is i'm right end of story. But they can't do it to Hasan, he not on there show like the women that go on for clout.
The chat calling Hasan a bozo for knowing how Pleading the Fifth works kills me. He knows more about politics as a Poli-Sci major than F&F Fed Background lmao
It’s not unsurprising, I mean, when the audience base of F&F is literally guys who don’t understand no means no, they’re not going to exactly be what’s the word…good.
@@foottapetv111 He literally clapped F&F… You should actually pay attention to the arguments being made instead of blindly cheering for your favorite team.
So.. I'm curious: am I the only one that often looks something up just to be sure (even if I'm already totally certain) I'm not making a mistake? You know, just to double check? Do Republicans just never do that?!
I don’t understand why no one asks why, if the Kelsey shot her, that Megan wouldn’t have accused her when they’d clearly had a falling out? She has no reason to protect her if Kelsey just shot her and they’re no longer friends. Why go after Tory instead of her?
it’s a hilariously simple case but these people hate women so much it’s impossible to comprehend for them. they’re making up theories and hypotheticals to make it make sense
The dumbest part about the 5th Amendment argument is that it really could be as simple as Kelsey pleading the fifth because she was threatened, bribed, or was smoking crack in the car and didn't want to have that on public record lmao. You can say those 3 things to any idiot that thinks pleading the fifth automatically makes them guilty and that'll shut them up.
That’s not the point Myron was making. The jury can’t infer guilt if the defendant pleads the 5th. The jury can however take a witness choosing to plead the 5th on certain statements into their consideration as to whether Kelsey was a credible witness. Myron was 100% correct.
I love how he can't snitch because "he's a rapper", but he's saying "I didn't do it". That infers that the only other person who could've done it, did. So he's a snitch either way.
Cmon u can like Meg and not be saying that if you ever go to court whether you do it or not and your lawyer says to the judge he didn't do it your not a snitch a snitch gives info i.understand ur mad but be accurate
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
There is no legal right to not snitch on others in a court of law during examination. It only applies in the event of self incrimination. Otherwise you’d be held in contempt for obstruction.
@@matthewvaneyk4713 Yes there is. You can declare using your 5th amendment and just say nothing the entire time. The idea of charging someone for exercising their constitutional rights is literally insane.
@@Malice1111 like I said that only applies to self incrimination. The fear that you, the witness, can be charged with a crime regarding your testimony further down the line. In the event you are a material witness to a crime and were not committing an act that could later be deemed illegal and subject to prosecution, you must cooperate with the prosecution or be held in contempt of court or fined.
@@Malice1111 like I said that only applies to self incrimination. The fear that you, the witness, can be charged with a crime regarding your testimony further down the line. In the event you are a material witness to a crime and were not committing an act that could later be deemed illegal and subject to prosecution, you must cooperate with the prosecution or be held in contempt of court or fined.
@@matthewvaneyk4713 can you please look at the supreme court ruling on this and get the dick of these dumb@sses out of your mouth. It is your constitutional right to plead the fifth, which is not the same as obstructing an investigation, which you can get in trouble for and is what I think your confusing it with
Idk why Hasan says he is not good at debates. He stood against 3 guys and managed to pick apart and respond to every single point they made while keeping a calm and collected attitude. That's more than many other debaters are capable of doing lol.
The first half wasn't great, and their point were moronic. It is easier to argue when you are obviously right than when the point is not that obvious. Also, Hasan likes the ego bust from comments like this one.
I think hasan is great at debating red pilled guys. And destiny is great at debating on politics. But idk why both of them don't do what they're good at. Destiny gets insulted by redpill guys and hasan isn't that good at political debates. They should stick to what they're good at and they would be unstoppable.
@@mellybean1718 look at the live buddy, hasan literally saw the texts and shut his mouth and admitted he was wrong and ran away hahhaha watch before you claim a wrong L
What kills me is that the point they’re trying to make is so nonsensical that they can’t really use logic to support their points so Hasan can easily dismantle them. Tbf a toddler could dismantle them
Fresh and fit “you can only plead the 5th if you are going to incriminate yourself.” Hasan “this ruins the point of pleading the 5th because you are assuming that someone doing so is guilty of something.” Fresh and fit “no pleading the 5th doesn’t mean you’re guilty” 💀💀💀
….It doesn’t? She could be pleading the fifth because she had weed on her that night. We don’t know but SHE DOES and she is worried that anything that could come up from her being truthful can bring new charges against her. That’s not saying she is pleading the fifth because she thinks she can get charged with shooting Meg. She doesn’t know Wtf exactly they could but she has a reasonable expectation they got something on her so she is allowed to plead the fifth. Akademiks and this dude are goofy but he actually wasn’t wrong here he just misspoke a bit lol
What… incriminating yourself could literally mean saying something you don’t mean under pressure, not having a clear understanding of your rights, incorrectly saying something accidentally which can be assumed as an intentional lie and many more things… 🤦♂️ it doesn’t mean you’re guilty at all wtf
@@Lilbrntpizza you’ve missed the point completely. Whoosh, fully over your head. If you are saying that the only time you can plead the 5th is when you are criminally culpable, meaning you are guilty of SOMETHING, then everyone who does so is guilty. The entire purpose of pleading the 5th is ruined because in the eyes of everyone, but the law under technicality, thinks you are guilty of a crime. The purpose of pleading the 5th is so you can’t be compelled to incriminate yourself, therefore you should be allowed to do so regardless of the situation because otherwise pleading the 5th incriminates you.
@@jamesyeardly-davern6230 no dude it’s not that you are guilty of SOMETHING. It’s that you don’t know but you think there is a reasonable suspicion that they have the ability to put a case together on you. Like literally please just read that over and over. It’s not saying you are guilty you just don’t also want to run the risk of saying something and then you getting charged and having to go to court to beat something that you probably will beat because you didn’t do it by why even incriminate yourself in the first place
Myron is not fully bald. He has something that resembles a bolding spot on his head, but it's actually the place where his brain was removed from his head.
Ain't no way the feds tried to crash this debate only to make a "ur gay" joke as their send-off. How embarrassing can you get as a grown ass man to be saying, "You pee sitting down, lul."
@@shanks8192 You mean to tell me that the streamers streaming room is filled with objects that relate to him being a streamer, including items sent to him by fans? Wacky.
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
hasan gives my heart a break bro. like every stupid thing I wanna pull my hair out and unhappy myself due to being so frustrated, he says all my arguments out loud and I don’t have to think. I fucking love him.
My brother finds Hasan annoying because of how loud he can get & asks me how I can watch him & your comment is exactly why I watch him. Bro soothes my brain cause all the frustration and words leave my body when Hasan expresses how STUPID people can be in this world to other people
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
@@silverk496 It's literally a basic right. Let's say your memory is not as clear as you think or that you might end up incriminating yourself on another not related thing like the involvement in another crime or you're afraid that things might get taken out of context you can totally use that right. Trump also made the same assumption and ended up being a hyprocrit who pleaded the fifth xD It's so funny that I'm not making this up xD His desciples are saying that the swap tries to swallow him and he had no other option, but in any other case it would indicate being guilty xD I'm not even American, but you're country is the greatest circus ever xD
@@vampirgirl41 you literally just explained why she had IMMUNITY. now explain why she didn’t say Megan and her fought in the street if her part in the conflict is already not a crime (self incrimination)
@@silverk496 I literally don't care, I'm just saying that it's a basic right. It's has been a coupon since 2001 or something. I'm talking about the law in general xD The fresh and fit boys keep implying that the fifth works differently than it does and what they're saying is stupid because their wording it as a statement in general.
This is a misunderstanding of what was said. By law you can’t plead the fifth on stand as a witness unless what your saying would incriminate you leading to prudery. As a witness your under oath must testify no exceptions other than this. Kelsey pleaded the fifth as a witness when under oath meaning it was to avoid this they would not let her or anyone do otherwise.
@@Arkdragonman that's still wrong and it takes two seconds to look up. Witnesses in a judicial proceeding can choose to plead the Fifth to certain questions while answering others. If a defendant chooses to testify on their own behalf, however, they've waived their Fifth Amendment rights and must truthfully answer all questions.
@@Arkdragonman maybe you’re mixing up testimony with depositions? you can be compelled to give a _deposition,_ but in a criminal proceeding it’s your right to plead the 5th regardless of what information you may or may not be withholding. otherwise it doesn’t make any sense - juries would know immediately that if a witness was taking the 5th, then it’s because they’re guilty
i looked through chats, and the difference is, in DJ's chat - spam looking like its a 3rd grade argument with ALL CAPS, Hasan's chat - actually saying something more mindfull, brainstorming the situation, saying points, and almost no one uses caps. These 3 dudes are emotional as FUCK, and Tory even tho a big artist, he still a problem, he's known for doing stupid shit to people lol
I get so exhausted by people who sit around going, "But isn't it possible that this thing happened?" with very little proof but all the faith in it. Hahahaha holy hell, finally got to the end where Hasan finally just roasts the fuck out of whatever that dude's name is. Gotta love it
@@TemporaryInsane lol 10 comments in 10 minutes. go outside, whining in comment sections is pathetic. sorry you’ll never touch a woman, but it’s not the worlds fault…
Hasan is one of the sexiest men alive...the way you over lorded them in debate with calmness and facts is so hot, while these ignoramuses used fallacies and slippery slopes is pathetic.
Wait, wasn't torey found guilty? Doesn't the guy day he accepts the verdict at the beginning of the video? Why is he arguing that torey didn't do it then?
he didnt do it. both women was drunk they fought and why would tori just shoot randomly? the witness said they fought and kelsey shot. crazy how they can convict a innocent man
I consider myself to be a very empathetic person. But what the fuck is going through the minds of these people when Hasan is literally pulling up the LAW and them responding with “no THE LAW IS WRONG” Watching this was such good content and it has made me unreasonable annoyed
Of course the pig believes every person who would plead the fifth would be guilty. It's reasonable to believe they would try to pin something on an innocent person, they do it all the time.
are you too retarded to figure out what they said? The fifth amendment provides that “no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” Ohio v. Reiner (2001) extended the Supreme Court's application of the fifth amendment protecting only those witnesses who have reasonable cause to apprehend danger from a direct answer. The fed was right about the 5th amendment- when you're a witness for a trial and theres reasonably no risk that an answer you give can incriminate yourself- then you cant use the fifth
@@joed-ec7vp it's the same as the right to remain silent. They tell you right there that anything you say can and will be used against you. You could be innocent and that's still true. If you think that the justice system isn't corrupt, or doesn't do that all the time, you're the idiot here. Let alone the fact that there's no way to know if they will incriminate themselves or not because they have decided to say nothing.
Imagine getting mad that you can’t back somebody into a corner and expecting them to just listen to everything you have to say as if that’s not how a debate works.
@@gigachad6742 lol i see you moving through all the comments crying like a homeless person needing money but instead you are craving attention to the same degree.. like its sad take a look at yourself
Is dude seriously trying to argue that Tory wouldn't have shot her over an insult? "Oh, would YOU have shot someone for dissing you? I mean a short fuse is so far removed from attempted murder!" DUDE! Men have murdered women for turning them down at the bar! People get shot all the time for "throwing shade"! I live in a neighborhood where that's happened more then once! Akademiks is either being dishonest or stupid.
Bro when AHK goes ballistic and thinks he's snapping back on Hasan but he's just mad at the possibility of an account being fraudulent when its BESIDES the point. That shit is funny
Bro he's still going it's a 3 v 1 and two of them have a podcast just to hate on women this is so unproductive and hard to watch I just want him to stop so bad
tbh I think it’s productive in the sense that hopefully others will see how brain broken fresh and fit are and be motivated to be better than they are. like to be grown men and act the way they do is so embarrassing.
I immediately discounted everything that dude was saying the moment he said that “you can only plead the 5th if you’re criminally culpable” That’s just completely untrue
The pleading the fifth convo shows the difference between how a federal investigator and a defense attorney think. ALWAYS have a defense attorney with you when you talk to the police, or you will hang behind some morons thoughts on the law.
Watch myrons video this videos clipped all to hell to make them look bad. I swear on my life hasanabi is a fraudulent mastermind. Using propaganda tactics and not giving actual full context.
@@ziib123l they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
It seems you do not understand the fifth amendment. The fifth amendment is the right to remain silent to prevent incriminating yourself as someone on trial. If you as a witness use the 5th invoke the 5th amendment 1. All would making witnesses useless 2. The court case he cited said “defendants “ invoking it should t be assumed guilty by it, but it does not apply to witnesses and prosecutors can use that against them. But again Hassan’s meat is in your mouth
@@HaitianKaizo Dude, witnesses absolutely have fifth amendment rights. Ask any lawyer. I ain't a lawyer but my family is full of them. "A witness may "plead the Fifth" and not answer if the witness believes answering the question may be self-incriminatory." - Legal Information Institute Stop embarrassing yourself.
@@gracehetfield5331 you know 30 minutes later they bought a lawyer on and said Hassan doesn’t know what he is talking about. Yes the witness can plead to fifth, but the difference is that Hassan said and cited a court saying you can’t assume guilt when the “defendant “ invokes it, but if a witness invokes the fifty then prosecution or defense can use that to imply guilt. So the court case he used as his saving grace didn’t apply to the women on the stand, sure she can invoke but now the lawyers have the right to ask the jury to assume guilt
@@gracehetfield5331 yes but it can show you are compromised in some shape or form making you an unreliable witness and pleading the fifth as a witness doesn’t mean you are guilty, but unlike a defendant pleading the 5th if a witness does it then lawyers are the allowed the ask the jury to take that as some level of being compromised and could make the case they are guilty or at least not a credible witness
obvious why she plead the fifth and then they turn around and tell Hassan that rappers have to protect themselves and They literally make hasan’s case for him and they have no idea how stupid they look doing it
@@ikyda1 😂 😂 😂 These males. Anyone who claims that they are the so-called " prize " in a relationship is bound to be a nightmare. I'll pass good sir. 😆
This is how you debate. Hold your tongue, have research, let the opponent show how stupid they are and let the audience see the true colors. I say this knowing I'm in a Hasan UA-cam channel and anybody that watches those other guys probably would say something similar
That’s not the point you’re either disingenuous or not bright… They never argued if you plead the 5th you’re automatically guilty. They said you can only plead the 5th if your testimony could possibly incriminate you… Hassan argued no, every and anyone have the right to plead the 5th which is not true. Your testimony HAS to self incriminate or you cannot just plead the 5th lol you would be held in contempt of court… Then he proceeded to move the goal post after realizing he was wrong and tried to argue they were saying if she pleads the 5th she’s guilty…. No one EVER MADE THAT STATEMENT in the entirety of the argument lol. It makes 0 sense anyone let alone a federal agent was arguing, “if you plead the 5th you’re guilty”. Either disingenuous or dumb.
Saying women are overly emotional but he screaming every time he’s wrong lol
Like honestly tho 😂
Right. 100% self projecting
didn't hassan get emotional all the time and not let anyone speak? he was pathetic. he ducked at the end
@@TemporaryInsane lmao Myron always screams and kicks people out he doesn't agree with on his own podcast and yet you're saying he's not "emotional". Myron is one of the most emotional people I've seen tbh. He also constantly self projects.
@@TemporaryInsane I love that people like you intentionally ignore the rest of the conversation just so you could keep this delusional idea that Hasan looked bad in this debate.
“Women are emotional” yelling 3 men at 1 man calmly talking while they are defending another man 😂
Seriously
Literally insane levels of misogyny. There's no logic to be found.
LMAOOOO FR
Hasaan fans really are hilarious selective hearing to further validate their delusion 🤣 Myron was talking calmly the whole time about the case& Hasaan was the first one to yell would you like a time stamp ?
@@Gen5Switchy cope harder nerd
These guys made up an entire fanfic to explain why Tory is innocent
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LMFAOO
That's how it appears to me also...they mega-cappin!
@@oscarperez9783 Thats where the term echo chamber comes from... too many people grouped together who validate each other...
They insiders tho
man was debating 3 people and making coherent points and still had the brain capacity to take little digs at them and roast them on the side. what a beast
…actually he was making personal attacks because he was getting mad when he realized his points were falling apart which is extremely immature and low iq
he made them very emotional they were acting like women 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@Username-dh3mn As a cis het macho man like F&F nothing disgusts me more than women.
Ain't I right, boys? Eewwww to women!
Men are so much better! Their soft but strong arms, their hairy chest.
Nothing better than rubbing coconut oil on my boys before going to the all-men nude beach. Oh yeah
@@ngotemna8875 i’m dead af cuz for a second i was taking u serious and that’s sad af cuz ppl do talk like that 😂😂😂😂😂it’s like bro there’s nothing wrong w being gay
@@Username-dh3mn are the screenwriters giving us some secreat trans foreshadowing? 🤔 🤔
Their “women are more emotional” argument literally works against them: a woman suffering from postpartum depression does not want to go through an emotionally exhaustive trial and open herself to heavy scrutinization with a compromised mental health status; so, she makes a deal with prosecutors and utilizes her fifth amendment right.
“Postpartum depression” doesn’t give woman a reason to act like an ldiot Or to be “mentally exhausted.” Society finds every reason to hold a woman to the standard of a child.
@@BRlGADE_KINGPIN pov: u never met a woman
@@BRlGADE_KINGPIN ......do you know what postpartum depression is? pregnancy literally alters a person's body and brain chemistry irreversibly. it is a serious medical condition that is exacerbated by the incredible physical trauma that happens during even a complication-free birth.
@@audyshtpostshere4708 shes been working with the cops for 2 yrs. how long does this postpartum last?
They would look less ridiculous making this argument if they didn't also act like a hysterical teenage girl with wet knickers. They have zero emotional continence.
The amount of passion these men have for defending tory lanez is inspiring and homoerotic
Right. Tory wasn't even /that/ popular before this incident. The men (and women, sadly) defending him just hate women, period.
Don’t be homophobic
@@rorywhelan_ Be quiet bro
@@cortneyphillips1792 Tory was very popular before this😂
🤣🤣🤣💜
This is infuriating. Hasan reasonably and thoroughly dismantled their argument, and the answer was "but women bro"
💯.
Not really, he was very misinformed as always
@@noface5605 but men bro
@@noface5605 says a misogynistic incel who no one else agrees with besides other incels. Lmao
@@noface5605 Women be shooting each other in the feet, eh?
Oh, and shopping! Lots of shopping too! /s
Academiks is pathetic. The way he gets on his high horse about rap culture promoting violence and then as soon as a rapper is violent towards a woman he totally flips is honestly so embarrassing.
TRUUUEEEE
He has been violent twords women himself soo...
Well that's because he's a very small and fragile man who also is disrespectful and beats on women there's a reason for that my guy
He’s delusional and hypocritical… but I’m more concerned about Myron… not only was Myron hypocritical and delusional… but also malevolent.
This is the first time, I'm actually listening to him and I see why I was never interested listening. He's very annoying and all over the place.
Hasan: "Okay so who do you think shot her then?"
Dj: "It was a dark and stormy night..."
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahahaha
DJ trying to be this generations Agatha Christie
@@MoralKombat😂😂😂
this man said “you can only plead the fifth if you’re guilty of something” 18:00 what a fuckin goober
No wonder he’s not a fed anymore lmaooo
@@lilsleepy9744 🤣💀
I will plead the fifth. And shoot you in the sixth.
#bars my G.
he's an actual, real life, baby-brain adult. It's truly baffling that people take his crap seriously.
HOW CAN ANYONE BE SO WRONG YET SO CONFIDENT?!
(ok so I finally realized what the dude was trying to communicate, but he's still wrong anyway. I THINK he's thinking of when people take a plea deal, and included in that plea deal they agree that they can't take the 5th, and they have to answer all the questions asked of them; they just won't get in trouble for it [in the case that they have immunity].. or something like that. Wowzers)
I think it's a misunderstanding, I think he means unless there's potential to incriminate yourself. He just said it wrong. Hasan also misspoke saying you can use it 'in any circumstance', when I think he meant 'regardless of guilt'.
Im still blown away by the former fed not knowing part of the Bill of Rights. This guy had the ability to take away freedom. insane.
Thank him for his service on your way out.
This why we are fucked
what did he say that was wrong?
@@metalface_villain You clearly don't understand how the 5th works.
A person cannot be compelled to be a witness AGAINST HIMSELF. That is literally what the 5th amendment says. You cannot invoke the 5th amendment unless there is at least a reasonable possibility that you could incriminate yourself. In theory you don't have the right to invoke the 5th unless you have committed a crime but that is sort of irrelevant since it's not the subject of the trial to determine if you, the witness, have committed a crime. But if there is clearly no way you have committed one you cannot invoke the 5th and will be held in contempt of court if you do so regardless.
@@NotYourBusiness-bp2qn Thanks for your own interpretation of the 5th amendment, thankfully we have a Supreme Court decision on this exact topic which is the law of the land that disproves you.
Fresh and fit lost immediately after being blatantly wrong about Americans' 5th amendment right while rerereasserting his "experience" working in this field. So many people really do just listen to the loudest, most confident man in the room more times than not.
u cannot plead the 5th unless u are culpable or could be seen as culpable for something illegal ... hasan is 100% wrong
that is not the same as the miranda right which is the right to remain silent
@Exodia nah, I fact checked myself before posting this. "Culpable" is defined as "deserving blame," so it is mutually exclusive with the intention of the 5th amendment. Also consider, a plaintiff who has provided a statement may be using the 5th in future questioning scenarios to preserve the initial testimony. In this case, the party in question endure great loss and is dealing with psychosis in between testimonies, right?
@Allen Wilson let me quote from definition:
"A form of privilege, set out in the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution, that gives an individual the right to refuse to answer any questions or make any statements that could be used in a criminal proceeding to help establish that the person committed a crime."
u CANNOT plead the 5th as a witness if the information u would provide has nothing to do with incriminating u in a crime and could not be construde that way.
it's as simple as that. there's nothing more to add it's black and white. anyone who works in law and/or the courts like myrron will tell u this.
that's why they called him Lasan it's just an L u have to hold. its like trying to argue against a rock being rock... it just it by definition.
ps in future testimony to preserve the initial testimony ... because if ur seen as changing your testimony that's an offence... so it would protect u against incriminating yourself by accidently recalling things wrong the 2nd time way later down the line 🤦🏽
@@vkdeen7570 I completely understand this sentiment, definition and what is being asserted. However, I still fundamentally disagree with your statement "you cannot plead the 5th as a witness if the information..." because Kelsey DID plead the 5th, and it has been legally upheld so far. This is because the only concrete exclusion for pleasing the 5th is when you are not being held for questioning; if you are free to go the whole topic is moot.
One may plead the 5th at any time when being directly questioned by prosecutors, law enforcement etc., but the issue arises when viewers of this mess assume that she is admitting guilt and hiding things by pleading the 5th. When, Trump plead the 5th last month, hundreds of times, how do we view this --- in the same light?
Tldr; motivation for pleading the 5th is irrelevant to the validity of the plea. It's function is to prevent compulsory self-implication, but this is not mutually exclusive with the contexts in which it may be pleaded.
Edit: I personally believe Kelsey IS culpable, but this is a separate notion to our debate over 5th amendment usage. However, we also do not actually know if Kelsey's PPD and mental health is genuinely effecting her under questioning. It is possible that she is a complete snake, or completely innocent and struggling deeply. I still have a lot to learn about this case to form an opinion on the totality of it though.
Bro WHY are these dudes fighting tooth and nail against Meg? Like they're for real debating this to no end. This is such a shut case.
whats the evidence that makes it soo shut?
@@RobinXlone the conviction 😂
Why are they fighting for or against them? It's weird either way I see no reason to care about this thing.
Maybe it's a 'simp' thing, idk i am not into this onlyfans culture i feel like i wasted my time to listening to 20 mins of this. ;/
Reee-
Because she’s a women and they need to try to boost their brand of hating on women.
@@svodcat7524 so dumb
Akademiks is so lame for calling on TWO ringers and STILL getting his ass blasted.
Facts. They trynna jump him , and Azn still came out with a dub.
Man’s pokemon team is weak
Ok to be fair aks take on the Megan situation is obviously bonkers but listening to hasan say that fresh and fit don’t have enough clout to debate him and tell them to debate destiny who he endless shits on for being bad faith was so cringe
@@wifi7369nah thats the same shit they're on lol
@@forgetmyhead2115 when did freshandfit ever attack hassanabi?
Man I can't believe you sat amongst all of that stupidity and not only dismantled their so called argument but kept your cool throughout. Got you a new subscriber.
He got me too cause wtf.
It's not as hard as you think... these angry men are not trying to convince Hasan... they are trying to attack him personally, while also trying to gaslight themselves...
That "plead the 5th" thing kills me. Why would anyone ever plead the 5th then? It's basically entrapment if you can only do that if you're guilty
As a witness, you can only plead the 5th if she has reason to believe it will incriminate HER. Otherwise no, she can’t just sit there and plead the 5th on the stand for everything.
@@sambf dude just go look it up lol
no u can only plead if u think it can incriminate u. u cant plead the fifth for anything. and why would she pleaed the fifth when she has immunity to being charged? that shows on some level that u think details of this story can or would incriminate you despite not being able to be charged, that shows clear guilt to some degree
@@RobinXlone don’t try to reason with them, they think they’re law students yet know nothing lol
@@artcowboy constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-5/#:~:text=No%20person%20shall%20be%20held,the%20same%20offence%20to%20be
Nothing more cringe than telling people to look something up, and just being flat out wrong.
Someone in the lesser of the two chats was spamming "Hasan = Nazi Liberal Cuck"
bros has never looked up what any of those words means.
The dude saying that was incoherent of course but a ton of Nazis are cucks because they’re super cognizant of race differences so they fetishize the fuck out of interracial cuck p*rn. It’s very funny and I wish this fact was used to mock them more.
Yet he's mostly pretty accurate
@@davidcarty7584 literally wrong on all 3. Hasan is not a lib, cuck or a nazi lmaom ni winder you fresh and fit people dont understand logic 😂😂
@@davidcarty7584 let me tell you something that is objectivelt accurate though: fresh and fit fans get 0 pussy.
@@davidcarty7584 *heavy sigh*
Hasan’s patience is unmatched.
He interruped the whole time, clearly didn't watch the same video. Hassan and Piers Morgan have interrupting people's points down too a science.
@@PhilRockwell if some dumbass is gonna repeat himself 5 times while being wrong imma start interrupting him too
@@PhilRockwelltheir points weren’t worth listening to all the way through… you can tell what their point is a mile away because they are so predictable
@@paulpujeter6340 Childish take bruh. After hearing Hassan's fifth amendment argument, it's clear too say, he's a google Gruber who's way out of his wheelhouse. Don't be delusional like that wannabe debater. Makes for good content you can go back watch , and troll tho, I'll give him that. 😉
@@PhilRockwell you’re making it seem like a Google Guber is bad. I’d rather hear debates from people who RESEARCHED like Hasan, than people argue using theories and speculations. Bc you’re just going around in circles at that point. Like it was proven rn that the 3 men were going lol
these two dude are using their whole life force to make excuses for the obvious lmao
🤣 only empty husks were left behind
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
@mosaab5597 lmao are you just copying and pasting that shit in replies. You're a joke man go outside
@@skellietitlz1051 are you gonna dispute the statement , instead of saying this why not attack my argument and make me look dumb instead . I’ll wait
@@Gen5Switchy nice copy paste
dude says women are emotional then proceeds to cry and scream like a child lmao
Just like women do
Yea. This is an example of red pill dudes. They get really emotional about women, they project more than anyone else.
@@onDohReacts Actually, feminist project more than anyone else. They scream and complain about opression but have the most privilage. This is not an example of redpill, because it's not woman-hating it's just not woman-praising, hence why women hate it
@@tonyonaperky2128 yes the red pills are women. Maybe they are g4y
@@doubled57690 So does this mean feminists are lesbians due to their hatred for men who have done absolutely nothing to them..?
Makes sense.
Gotta love how the question of Did he shoot her? becomes "But did her friend lie, but did she cheat, but did she actually see him, but was there perjury, but did Kylie argue"
“Your honor, these are women, they’re emotional” case closed 🤷🏼♀️ I wonder why Marvin couldn’t keep his day job
This defence has actually worked for millenia.
Who is Marvin? You mean Myron? Don’t forget to thank him or your way out. He was arresting high profile criminals and protecting your family while you were sitting on your butt.
Have a nice day
YOUR HONOR THEY DO BE SHOPPING
Unironically this whole argument. "Hasan... You just don't get it. Women be shopping and these h*s ain't faithful."
@@BRlGADE_KINGPIN this might be the best bootlicking parody ive ever seen
Im impressed with how Hassan managed to bend three grown ass men over his knee and repeatedly spank them with facts and logic. Bless him
So kinky..
@@demorik6794*Benny boy wants to know your location*
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single
@@Gen5Switchy why is it that these righty youtubers always have bot-like defenders? i guess they're bots or dumb people just type like robots
Screaming and emotional out bursts?
The world is a very dark place but im glad i can hear a single reasonable voice like hasan. It leaves a tiny bit of hope that not every person has brain damage
He have brain damage, the twitter one but he isn't like these mindless drones salivating to suck f&f meat. It's frankly disturbing how much they hate him just cause he went against their idols (same men shit on kpop fans as if they are any different)
I have brain damage(have had since i was 9 months old) and would say a majority of the Right/Far-Right/Alt-Right have something worse tbh *shrugs*
@@ANUKO97and
Edit: Merry Christmas all lovely lefties!
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Paused the chat to look at the fresh and fit twitch messages. Holy shit that's an insane amount of copium being inhaled, hahahaha. Absolutely amazing levels of brainrot.
Would not recommend
I wouldn’t be able to do it, you took one for the team lmao
@@eileendover7896 facts I couldn't
They're incels!? Of course they are, 😆
Fnf destroyed the sissy and the sissys fans who are sissys and women are the ones coping for sure
@@talhamirza2020 fam wtf are you talking about
I’m not even a Hasan fan but he absolutely crushed these dudes, and watching Fresh & Fraud mald at the end was a beautiful Christmas gift.
@@Ruder6163 bro no one's reading all that
@@Ruder6163 Tory is guilty, frank and beans and their lemming, were wrong and has been convicted and now faces 20+ years in prison. Shut up and move on.
@@fdmy_1017 of course u wont lol u kids dont read u regurgitate what ur daddy spits out
The moment dude went to the whole "they're women, they're emotional" thing, it was over for him.
The guy that said he was a Fed was wrong about everything about the law and I am not surprised
He's a fed; his job description tells him to not know about law
@@BigLittleFedoraProdt I thought he was a former officer of the law.
@@tellmesomething2412 police interviewees can be rejected if they are too smart for fear of them being too stubborn for following orders
I think you are just too emotional. If you think a Some lame UA-camr knows more about the law than a former HSI agent.
@@BRlGADE_KINGPINlet's reformulate what you say without the bad faith "you guys are too emotional to think that a political science major knows the law better than some random ex fed"
I can't take these jabs Hasan just throws in during his arguments. They always fucking get me and I have to rewatch the delivery because it's so natural and they are so funny.
"ad hom attacks are soo funny i rewatch them because its so natural for hasan to use them when losing a debate"
its funny watching him use them mid-argument while also proving them wrong
@@iridescencywhat? Had no actual response to his point just used discord mod terminology lmao. And 7 others liked it also without being able to say anything.
@@iridescency it’s sad that you literally know that ain’t true but can’t accept that daddy lost a debate proven by him at the end literally saying “you got me” and “I’m terrible at debating im not a good debater”. That’s LITERALLY a cope my guy
@@ANUKO97 lol he checked all 3 of them that's why they didn't let ak talk because Hes an idiot who thinks no jumper's plea is verbatim. Hasan should attack these fucks who literally have said all kinds of dumb shit about Megan for their personal connection. You aren't even a tory fan, you're just anti women.
Bro he shot her. These guys just hate this lady. This is crazy.
They hate ALL women yo. But mostly they hate themselves.
Literally just horny for misogyny and can't formulate a proper sentence 💀
Every lady... they just hate every lady.
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
@@Gen5Switchy bro a lawyer is going to be on the side that is promoting them. Fresh and fit do so much they would bring in a Dr. There way of talking is i'm right end of story. But they can't do it to Hasan, he not on there show like the women that go on for clout.
The chat calling Hasan a bozo for knowing how Pleading the Fifth works kills me. He knows more about politics as a Poli-Sci major than F&F Fed Background lmao
It’s not unsurprising, I mean, when the audience base of F&F is literally guys who don’t understand no means no, they’re not going to exactly be what’s the word…good.
that chat just looks like a pack of animals shouting at something they dont like (hasan) i dont see any braincells being used in there
Hasan looked really bad in this debate
He really did.😮
@@foottapetv111 He literally clapped F&F…
You should actually pay attention to the arguments being made instead of blindly cheering for your favorite team.
It's so nice to know that sane men like Hasan still exist ❤
There are many liberal males as well.
@@nicktan4530 Not really... they're a dying breed...
@@Ozzie_Mandias I dont think so. The matrix is getting stronger breeding more beta males.
@@nicktan4530 lol the what is doing what??
@@ismth what are we talking about ?
So.. I'm curious: am I the only one that often looks something up just to be sure (even if I'm already totally certain) I'm not making a mistake? You know, just to double check?
Do Republicans just never do that?!
I do it too, but I harbor too much resentment about it. haha
ikr, right wing bitches act like they never heard about Wikipedia the Free Encyclopedia before.
Lol I did that too with the pleading the 5th thing 😂 he sounded so certain you HAVE to be guilty to plead the 5th which is outrageous
they do, on alternative media, that is asically these guys.
Right wing ideology hinges on a lack of critical thinking skills and media analysis. It's all gut checks and vibes
Tory Lanez was found guilty. Fresh and fit are insane.
I mean it's pretty much on brand with their whole misogyny.
@@ukie713 we need misogyny
@@stophavingkidsoutofwedlock2981 tell me you can't get laid without telling me
@@stophavingkidsoutofwedlock2981 unalive yourself
@@stophavingkidsoutofwedlock2981 do you think anyone cares about your opinion Mr. "Most BW Are Wicked"?
I don’t understand why no one asks why, if the Kelsey shot her, that Megan wouldn’t have accused her when they’d clearly had a falling out? She has no reason to protect her if Kelsey just shot her and they’re no longer friends. Why go after Tory instead of her?
it’s a hilariously simple case but these people hate women so much it’s impossible to comprehend for them. they’re making up theories and hypotheticals to make it make sense
Hasan does ask them but they steamroll over him and accuse him of disregarding their previous points. It was exhausting to watch
The dumbest part about the 5th Amendment argument is that it really could be as simple as Kelsey pleading the fifth because she was threatened, bribed, or was smoking crack in the car and didn't want to have that on public record lmao.
You can say those 3 things to any idiot that thinks pleading the fifth automatically makes them guilty and that'll shut them up.
💯💯💯💯
That’s not the point Myron was making. The jury can’t infer guilt if the defendant pleads the 5th. The jury can however take a witness choosing to plead the 5th on certain statements into their consideration as to whether Kelsey was a credible witness. Myron was 100% correct.
all those things lead to her not being a credible witness btw
u can only plead the fifth if u think something would incriminate u. u cant just be a witness and say nothing ur under oath to tel the truth
@@RobinXlone yeah but one can argue who bribed her and who has the most to gain if she was found not credible which would be an argument against Tory
I love how he can't snitch because "he's a rapper", but he's saying "I didn't do it". That infers that the only other person who could've done it, did. So he's a snitch either way.
Cmon u can like Meg and not be saying that if you ever go to court whether you do it or not and your lawyer says to the judge he didn't do it your not a snitch a snitch gives info i.understand ur mad but be accurate
If he said I didn't do it he did he ratted
no he said both people didnt do it were u keeping up? he also said kelsey didnt shoot her
@@RobinXlonehis defense was actually Kelsey did it. He denied Megan was even shot until the court case then his defense was Kelsey shot her
@@capcarter5805 he never said kelsey did it
I couldn't hold my laughter when they didn't even know what pleading the fifth meant bro 😭😭😭
God, Hasan's laugh was so useful weapon. 3v1 and still winning.
Really?
@@kojinmaster yes
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
@@Gen5Switchy You’re so mad
@mosaab5597 they literally cant even get what the pleading the fifth means i would laugh my ass off too
Its incredible that they don't understand your legal right to not snitch on others. They're arguing that you are legally required to snitch on others.
There is no legal right to not snitch on others in a court of law during examination. It only applies in the event of self incrimination. Otherwise you’d be held in contempt for obstruction.
@@matthewvaneyk4713 Yes there is. You can declare using your 5th amendment and just say nothing the entire time. The idea of charging someone for exercising their constitutional rights is literally insane.
@@Malice1111 like I said that only applies to self incrimination. The fear that you, the witness, can be charged with a crime regarding your testimony further down the line. In the event you are a material witness to a crime and were not committing an act that could later be deemed illegal and subject to prosecution, you must cooperate with the prosecution or be held in contempt of court or fined.
@@Malice1111 like I said that only applies to self incrimination. The fear that you, the witness, can be charged with a crime regarding your testimony further down the line. In the event you are a material witness to a crime and were not committing an act that could later be deemed illegal and subject to prosecution, you must cooperate with the prosecution or be held in contempt of court or fined.
@@matthewvaneyk4713 can you please look at the supreme court ruling on this and get the dick of these dumb@sses out of your mouth. It is your constitutional right to plead the fifth, which is not the same as obstructing an investigation, which you can get in trouble for and is what I think your confusing it with
Idk why Hasan says he is not good at debates. He stood against 3 guys and managed to pick apart and respond to every single point they made while keeping a calm and collected attitude. That's more than many other debaters are capable of doing lol.
lol
To be fair all the other guys are dumb as fuck.
The first half wasn't great, and their point were moronic. It is easier to argue when you are obviously right than when the point is not that obvious. Also, Hasan likes the ego bust from comments like this one.
I think hasan is great at debating red pilled guys. And destiny is great at debating on politics. But idk why both of them don't do what they're good at. Destiny gets insulted by redpill guys and hasan isn't that good at political debates. They should stick to what they're good at and they would be unstoppable.
Hassan just went up my rating. You just cleaned them better than bleach 😂😂
@@Paul....... yeah cause at heart he’s a debate bro and these clowns don’t know how to debate so they get destroyed everytime 😭
Lol he just lost the debate and ran away
@@gigachad6742 hasan wiped the floor with the clowns. They blocked him from the chat 😆
@@mellybean1718 look at the live buddy, hasan literally saw the texts and shut his mouth and admitted he was wrong and ran away hahhaha watch before you claim a wrong L
WTF ever, I said Hassan fucking rocks. Thank you let’s bring fucking brains back
What kills me is that the point they’re trying to make is so nonsensical that they can’t really use logic to support their points so Hasan can easily dismantle them. Tbf a toddler could dismantle them
Applies to literally any argument these goobers apply
@@bobituba literally every. Single. One. I was in awe really.
Myron: speaks strictly facts
Average Lasan fan: bro these guys are so nonsensical lol Hasan destroyed them, believe all women bro
@@sambf I missed the facts..
@@sambf congrats you’ve won a Darwin incel award. Do women a favor and never talk to one.
Fresh and fit “you can only plead the 5th if you are going to incriminate yourself.” Hasan “this ruins the point of pleading the 5th because you are assuming that someone doing so is guilty of something.” Fresh and fit “no pleading the 5th doesn’t mean you’re guilty” 💀💀💀
….It doesn’t? She could be pleading the fifth because she had weed on her that night. We don’t know but SHE DOES and she is worried that anything that could come up from her being truthful can bring new charges against her. That’s not saying she is pleading the fifth because she thinks she can get charged with shooting Meg. She doesn’t know Wtf exactly they could but she has a reasonable expectation they got something on her so she is allowed to plead the fifth. Akademiks and this dude are goofy but he actually wasn’t wrong here he just misspoke a bit lol
What… incriminating yourself could literally mean saying something you don’t mean under pressure, not having a clear understanding of your rights, incorrectly saying something accidentally which can be assumed as an intentional lie and many more things… 🤦♂️ it doesn’t mean you’re guilty at all wtf
@@Lilbrntpizza you’ve missed the point completely. Whoosh, fully over your head. If you are saying that the only time you can plead the 5th is when you are criminally culpable, meaning you are guilty of SOMETHING, then everyone who does so is guilty. The entire purpose of pleading the 5th is ruined because in the eyes of everyone, but the law under technicality, thinks you are guilty of a crime. The purpose of pleading the 5th is so you can’t be compelled to incriminate yourself, therefore you should be allowed to do so regardless of the situation because otherwise pleading the 5th incriminates you.
@@ANUKO97 whoosh. Read my reply to the other idiot
@@jamesyeardly-davern6230 no dude it’s not that you are guilty of SOMETHING. It’s that you don’t know but you think there is a reasonable suspicion that they have the ability to put a case together on you. Like literally please just read that over and over. It’s not saying you are guilty you just don’t also want to run the risk of saying something and then you getting charged and having to go to court to beat something that you probably will beat because you didn’t do it by why even incriminate yourself in the first place
“How old are you, 12? You’re lame bro 😡🥺” -Fed and Fit, 2 fully grown & fully bald adult men
Myron is not fully bald. He has something that resembles a bolding spot on his head, but it's actually the place where his brain was removed from his head.
@@Kate-is5mz you had me in the first half
Ain't no way the feds tried to crash this debate only to make a "ur gay" joke as their send-off.
How embarrassing can you get as a grown ass man to be saying, "You pee sitting down, lul."
Not a man, a little ass boy who never grew up.
@Charlie To0 Human For real.
A 35 year old middle schooler who never got over not having a date to homecoming.
Coming for a guy whose room looks like it was made for a 14-year-old. Hasan is in his thirties!
@@shanks8192 You mean to tell me that the streamers streaming room is filled with objects that relate to him being a streamer, including items sent to him by fans? Wacky.
@@shanks8192 And? Maturity is about how you act not about what you have
When you're literally screaming at the top of your lungs about an instagram screenshot, you know you're definitely the correct one.
3 v 1 and they still take the L.
How pathetic.
Lasanabi
Watch the full video on fresh and fit
@@kidsquidinfinity fuck no
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
@@Gen5Switchy cope harder incel.
hasan gives my heart a break bro. like every stupid thing I wanna pull my hair out and unhappy myself due to being so frustrated, he says all my arguments out loud and I don’t have to think. I fucking love him.
My brother finds Hasan annoying because of how loud he can get & asks me how I can watch him & your comment is exactly why I watch him.
Bro soothes my brain cause all the frustration and words leave my body when Hasan expresses how STUPID people can be in this world to other people
@@frogdrug8282 it’s literally like hearing my brain talk out loud lol.
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
he somehow puts into words what i feel that i sometimes don't even realise
@@Gen5Switchy please stop spamming, if you spend half as much time gobbling Marvin's meat you'd might make him come.
Now we know why Myron isn't a fed anymore. Dude doesn't even understand the fifth amendment.
When did the 5th become a transferrable coupon on questions not involving her?
@@silverk496 It's literally a basic right. Let's say your memory is not as clear as you think or that you might end up incriminating yourself on another not related thing like the involvement in another crime or you're afraid that things might get taken out of context you can totally use that right. Trump also made the same assumption and ended up being a hyprocrit who pleaded the fifth xD
It's so funny that I'm not making this up xD
His desciples are saying that the swap tries to swallow him and he had no other option, but in any other case it would indicate being guilty xD
I'm not even American, but you're country is the greatest circus ever xD
@@vampirgirl41 you literally just explained why she had IMMUNITY. now explain why she didn’t say Megan and her fought in the street if her part in the conflict is already not a crime (self incrimination)
@@silverk496 I literally don't care, I'm just saying that it's a basic right. It's has been a coupon since 2001 or something. I'm talking about the law in general xD
The fresh and fit boys keep implying that the fifth works differently than it does and what they're saying is stupid because their wording it as a statement in general.
I love how they take Kelsey’s testimony as GOSPEL, up until it messes up their narrative
These incel stooges: “You can’t just magically plead the fifth…”..
Facts/SCOTUS: “No sir you absolutely can!”
This is a misunderstanding of what was said. By law you can’t plead the fifth on stand as a witness unless what your saying would incriminate you leading to prudery. As a witness your under oath must testify no exceptions other than this. Kelsey pleaded the fifth as a witness when under oath meaning it was to avoid this they would not let her or anyone do otherwise.
@@Arkdragonman that's still wrong and it takes two seconds to look up. Witnesses in a judicial proceeding can choose to plead the Fifth to certain questions while answering others. If a defendant chooses to testify on their own behalf, however, they've waived their Fifth Amendment rights and must truthfully answer all questions.
@@Arkdragonman maybe you’re mixing up testimony with depositions? you can be compelled to give a _deposition,_ but in a criminal proceeding it’s your right to plead the 5th regardless of what information you may or may not be withholding.
otherwise it doesn’t make any sense - juries would know immediately that if a witness was taking the 5th, then it’s because they’re guilty
@@severalwolves you are just saying taking the fifth without additional context = guilty???? what is wrong with you?
@@Arkdragonman No one is guilty until proven innocent. That’s not how this country operates law. Come on now!!! What point are you making?
Akademics video being completely behind the audio is so funny
Yes lmaao
Hasan: Facts and logic, super chill the whole time
Them: “BUT THEY ARE WOMEN DOOOOOOD!!! HES A RAPPER BROOOOO!”
Torey does have a bit of a temper. He pressured a guy into apologizing for a diss track.
The Travis Scott argument was an example too
He also assaulted another artist a couple of months ago
Tory also beat up a woman that he and DJ AK had relations with and he punch August Alsina in the face. Tory Lanz is a balding menace yo!
Dax absolutely destroyed him on that track
He hit August!!!! For not speaking?
comparing the two chats it’s so mind boggling…
@@Paul....... how was that experience bro
The fan base difference is crazy yo 😂
@YedolfWestler FR the difference is INSANE..
@YedolfWestler well not “insane”, kinda expected from incels themselves but the spam 💀
i looked through chats, and the difference is, in DJ's chat - spam looking like its a 3rd grade argument with ALL CAPS, Hasan's chat - actually saying something more mindfull, brainstorming the situation, saying points, and almost no one uses caps. These 3 dudes are emotional as FUCK, and Tory even tho a big artist, he still a problem, he's known for doing stupid shit to people lol
I get so exhausted by people who sit around going, "But isn't it possible that this thing happened?" with very little proof but all the faith in it.
Hahahaha holy hell, finally got to the end where Hasan finally just roasts the fuck out of whatever that dude's name is. Gotta love it
Akademiks is super lame, Hip Hop let this dude skate for too long.
Amazing how Hasan can just Andrew Tate 3 people at once.
he was embarassing.
@@TemporaryInsane lol 10 comments in 10 minutes. go outside, whining in comment sections is pathetic. sorry you’ll never touch a woman, but it’s not the worlds fault…
@@elliotts5574 Ha yo
@@TemporaryInsane seek therapy if you actually think fed and cuck had any good points
@@TemporaryInsane lmao no the place little boy. You should go cry about how many girls have rejected you or something 🤣🤣🤣
*”HASAN!! THESE ARE WOMEN!! THEY’RE EMOTIONAL!!!!!!”* 🤬😤😫🥵
- An unemotional man
Bro said Woman get overly emotional, but later on he starts yelling like a banchee when he's losing the argument. Riiiiiiiiiiiightttt.
Project.Gaslight.Gatekeep *THE ALPHA LOSER GRINDSET*
How can these two have awful takes on EVERYTHING in this sad world?
Because Myron is an ex special homeland security agent ???? Lmao
@@gigachad6742 there's a special division of homeland security?
Academics is not nearly as bad as Myron. At least he’s capable of looking at both sides of an issue (not this one) unlike Myron.
Akademics is garbage.
@@Stone2jam I didn’t say he isn’t. I just don’t think he’s nearly as bad as Myron.
Hasan is one of the sexiest men alive...the way you over lorded them in debate with calmness and facts is so hot, while these ignoramuses used fallacies and slippery slopes is pathetic.
Being attractive does not means he has to argue to argue.
Wait, wasn't torey found guilty? Doesn't the guy day he accepts the verdict at the beginning of the video? Why is he arguing that torey didn't do it then?
I don't think even he knows
Because women lie, duhh!!! /sarcasm
he didnt do it. both women was drunk they fought and why would tori just shoot randomly? the witness said they fought and kelsey shot. crazy how they can convict a innocent man
@@James-gr5mx Tori was also drunk.
@@James-gr5mx Yes, people famously never shoot "randomly" out of anger / when drunk / statistically is usually a partner or ex. You're right dude.
Myron has shown us that literally anyone could be a fed. thanks, man
I consider myself to be a very empathetic person. But what the fuck is going through the minds of these people when Hasan is literally pulling up the LAW and them responding with “no THE LAW IS WRONG” Watching this was such good content and it has made me unreasonable annoyed
Neither Tori or Megan said Kelsey shot anybody but these women hating men are trying to blame it on her
God dammit I didn’t wanna spend my Christmas Eve watching an hour long HasanAbi video but I guess that’s what I gotta do
Of course the pig believes every person who would plead the fifth would be guilty. It's reasonable to believe they would try to pin something on an innocent person, they do it all the time.
are you too retarded to figure out what they said? The fifth amendment provides that “no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” Ohio v. Reiner (2001) extended the Supreme Court's application of the fifth amendment protecting only those witnesses who have reasonable cause to apprehend danger from a direct answer.
The fed was right about the 5th amendment- when you're a witness for a trial and theres reasonably no risk that an answer you give can incriminate yourself- then you cant use the fifth
@@joed-ec7vp it's the same as the right to remain silent. They tell you right there that anything you say can and will be used against you. You could be innocent and that's still true. If you think that the justice system isn't corrupt, or doesn't do that all the time, you're the idiot here. Let alone the fact that there's no way to know if they will incriminate themselves or not because they have decided to say nothing.
Misogynoir is a helluva drug. Big respect to Hasan for dealing with these fools so Black women don’t have to. ❤ We too busy celebrating.
43:55 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
To busy being bald headed and the least married and least desired race of female
@@stophavingkidsoutofwedlock2981 dude what happened to make you so hateful
Most delusional with wrong view that leads to hell
word because I do not have the time today!! I'm busy cheering with my hotties mhm
Bw are psychopathic and gynocentric. Yall supporting Megan cause she is a bw. Haha.
Imagine getting mad that you can’t back somebody into a corner and expecting them to just listen to everything you have to say as if that’s not how a debate works.
LMAOOOO hasan shut his ass down right when he said Lasan YOU’RE A GROWN MAN
Hasan is way smarter than both these dudes ^10
And he took the L
@@gigachad6742 lol i see you moving through all the comments crying like a homeless person needing money but instead you are craving attention to the same degree.. like its sad take a look at yourself
Tbh fresh and fit are just dumber
@@gigachad6742 3v1 hasan dubbed up
@@tatarsauce6314 exponentially
Is dude seriously trying to argue that Tory wouldn't have shot her over an insult? "Oh, would YOU have shot someone for dissing you? I mean a short fuse is so far removed from attempted murder!" DUDE! Men have murdered women for turning them down at the bar! People get shot all the time for "throwing shade"! I live in a neighborhood where that's happened more then once! Akademiks is either being dishonest or stupid.
Hasan stopping to yell at chatters in someone elses stream is sending me KEKW
dj akadeniks has such a smooth brain, he seems like the worst person to argue with in general
His voice ironically sounds like a middle aged woman
Smooth brained is such a funny way to insult someone 😂
I love how they believe if youre a rapper and you snitch your career is over when people like Rick Ross exists.
Bro when AHK goes ballistic and thinks he's snapping back on Hasan but he's just mad at the possibility of an account being fraudulent when its BESIDES the point. That shit is funny
Bro he's still going it's a 3 v 1 and two of them have a podcast just to hate on women this is so unproductive and hard to watch I just want him to stop so bad
Wait it's not just DJ Akademiks in the call with him. Fresh & Fit are in there too? That makes much more sense. I'm actually hearing them now too.
Hasan lost bro
tbh I think it’s productive in the sense that hopefully others will see how brain broken fresh and fit are and be motivated to be better than they are. like to be grown men and act the way they do is so embarrassing.
@@erroreden mf said LASAN haha they're CHILDREN lmao
@@gigachad6742 OH NO! It's giga chad. I guess we lost 😪
I immediately discounted everything that dude was saying the moment he said that “you can only plead the 5th if you’re criminally culpable”
That’s just completely untrue
The pleading the fifth convo shows the difference between how a federal investigator and a defense attorney think. ALWAYS have a defense attorney with you when you talk to the police, or you will hang behind some morons thoughts on the law.
Watch myrons video this videos clipped all to hell to make them look bad. I swear on my life hasanabi is a fraudulent mastermind. Using propaganda tactics and not giving actual full context.
even a defense attorney would say this
Are you my cousin, Jack? Or a different Jack Lonergan?
@@THEpopelonergan he s your dog s mom friend cousin Jack
@@RobinXlone you have 66 comments on this channel with almost zero likes on every commen. Take a break, robin 😂😂
Not Ak’s mods banning Hasanabi heads but leaving the spammers 😂💀
bro literally said “you need to realize these are women we are talking about” like they are another species 😭😭
Right!! And they claim they aren’t misogynist
I love how half of AK's chat turned on him
Kudos to Hasan. These other guys have the energy of a Real Housewives recap show.
this was so embarrassing. 3v1 and they still got cooked! holy shit!
Hasan got way too emotional toward the end. I don’t think they got cooked.
@@BRlGADE_KINGPIN you would too debating 3 biased idiots who can’t and won’t understand facts. Hop off their meat
@@BRlGADE_KINGPIN oh really is that why AK deleted the VOD? lol
@@ziib123 he got copyrighted 😂
@@ziib123l they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
Tory himself said Kelsey didn’t shoot just for his defense to be that she did. These dudes are way beyond delusional
Lost it when he said “you’re looking at it with 20/20 vision, women are emotional”.
3V1 and they still couldn’t say anything of substance to Hasan, literally so embarrassing 😂
because Hasaan is speaking on topics he doesn’t know about , they even brought a lawyer who’s been in 100s of cases to also confirm what they said 30MIN LATER how convenient none of Hasaan fans go see what the LAWYER said because it destroys every single argument he made
It’s hilarious Hasaan fans have selective hearing & go off google searches instead of experienced professionals, says a lot about your intelligence 🤣
@@Gen5Switchy who is the experience professional? Because you’re arguing against the legal decision of literal professionals… so you must be confused?
@@eileendover7896 correct me if I’m wrong, did you say that the professionals are the ones that make the decision guilty or innocent? 😭😭😭
@@Gen5Switchy Bro these Hasan viewers are deluded. Lmao
They take anything this dude says as gospel.
I was laughing so hard at their complete misunderstanding of the fifth amendment.
It seems you do not understand the fifth amendment. The fifth amendment is the right to remain silent to prevent incriminating yourself as someone on trial. If you as a witness use the 5th invoke the 5th amendment 1. All would making witnesses useless 2. The court case he cited said “defendants “ invoking it should t be assumed guilty by it, but it does not apply to witnesses and prosecutors can use that against them. But again Hassan’s meat is in your mouth
@@HaitianKaizo Dude, witnesses absolutely have fifth amendment rights. Ask any lawyer. I ain't a lawyer but my family is full of them.
"A witness may "plead the Fifth" and not answer if the witness believes answering the question may be self-incriminatory." - Legal Information Institute
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Side note: belief that you might incriminate yourself does not equal being actually criminally culpable or guilty either. Don't get it twisted.
@@gracehetfield5331 you know 30 minutes later they bought a lawyer on and said Hassan doesn’t know what he is talking about. Yes the witness can plead to fifth, but the difference is that Hassan said and cited a court saying you can’t assume guilt when the “defendant “ invokes it, but if a witness invokes the fifty then prosecution or defense can use that to imply guilt. So the court case he used as his saving grace didn’t apply to the women on the stand, sure she can invoke but now the lawyers have the right to ask the jury to assume guilt
@@gracehetfield5331 yes but it can show you are compromised in some shape or form making you an unreliable witness and pleading the fifth as a witness doesn’t mean you are guilty, but unlike a defendant pleading the 5th if a witness does it then lawyers are the allowed the ask the jury to take that as some level of being compromised and could make the case they are guilty or at least not a credible witness
Myron pretending to know anything about “the culture” is heelarious
Damn y'all needed 3 people to take on Hasan 😂
Akademiks and hasans convo was kind of interesting but as soon as Myron joined my braincells couldn't handle it they were dying one by one
obvious why she plead the fifth and then they turn around and tell Hassan that rappers have to protect themselves and They literally make hasan’s case for him and they have no idea how stupid they look doing it
Also I love how academics is allowed to speculate but Hasan Abi isn’t allowed to
@@DarthNoshess I know hahaha it’s so hypocritical and awkward, hasan mopped the floor with these dudes 😂
AK is one of the most emotional human beings that ever existed on Planet Earth.
well he is the "prize" lol
@@ikyda1
😂 😂 😂 These males.
Anyone who claims that they are the so-called " prize " in a relationship is bound to be a nightmare.
I'll pass good sir. 😆
Hasan should of never gave fresh and fit guys time. They been wanting this.
Upset at all of this misogynoir coming from black men..
This is how you debate. Hold your tongue, have research, let the opponent show how stupid they are and let the audience see the true colors.
I say this knowing I'm in a Hasan UA-cam channel and anybody that watches those other guys probably would say something similar
fresh and fit. It's ok to take classes and schooling and put in work to find a good argument.
She could've also pleaded the 5th to protect herself from telling the truth because of potential backlash from Tory. This argument is so frustrating.
That’s not the point you’re either disingenuous or not bright…
They never argued if you plead the 5th you’re automatically guilty. They said you can only plead the 5th if your testimony could possibly incriminate you…
Hassan argued no, every and anyone have the right to plead the 5th which is not true. Your testimony HAS to self incriminate or you cannot just plead the 5th lol you would be held in contempt of court…
Then he proceeded to move the goal post after realizing he was wrong and tried to argue they were saying if she pleads the 5th she’s guilty….
No one EVER MADE THAT STATEMENT in the entirety of the argument lol. It makes 0 sense anyone let alone a federal agent was arguing, “if you plead the 5th you’re guilty”. Either disingenuous or dumb.