The mind is a box that rarely ventures outside its four walls. But the truth has always been swarming with the pimps and whores of religion. But be be careful how you handle the truth lest it turn and bite you in the ars
@@jsmariani4180 The "beauty " of the human mind is that we can do science. The reason we have a mind is by being in the image of Creator. YOur belief is relevant in that you defend atheism.
If you believe that life came from non living materials, then you will believe abiogenesis. But we both observe that life always comes from life and not "lucky" molecules.
@prophetto atheists I think by all metrics “apelike creature” is a pretty accurate description of a homo sapiens / human. We are by definition a primate. I’d suggest giving the Bronze Age fairy tail books a break for a week or two and having a look at some contemporary biology and anthropology reads instead. Please remember the device you’re using to watch this video and share your beliefs with us was created by people applying the scientific method, not by a miracle. Since this method has been working so well for all of us modern apes, maybe consider giving its literature a chance. Best of luck on your journey brother, peace ✌🏽
I just enjoy listening to someone who can speak the English language for a change. The fact that he uses pure, irrefutable logic is a wonderful addition to the experience.
I hadntecenrly finished the Fawn Brody biography of Joseoh Smith. Boy, was he a grifter and a cheat. Anda Horn dog. He had over 50 wives that we could trace with some certainty. He married women who had been married to other men already. He married women and when that 2asnt enough married her daughter and / or sister as well. Just an freaking horn dog. Brigham Young was just as bad. It was so out of control and embarrassing, causing people everywhere to hate LDS, that the LDS church actually banned it in 1890. Joseph Smith printed up his own money, not illegal at thr time as banks in thr frontier printed uo their own money for use in the wild west. But banks usually had enough gold or silver to cover their currency. Smith didn't. He pulled quite a number of shenanigans that ruled up so badly they broke into jail and shot him. Brigham Young git thr message and took all.his followers to Utah snd founded Salt Lake City.
"Still, I never knew there were so many imaculate conception stories about" Whenever I relate the different similar god stories, virgin birth, flood stories, etc, to christians, their eyes glaze over and it goes right over their heads. I was a christian for 49 years and when I started learning about all those stories....it stopped me dead in my tracks. I didn't ignore it. I said :WE BEEN HAD! The rest is history. :D
I bet this was all learned from history.. I never found any lie in a history book.. except of course those books I did not like.. no those were all fake. Facts people facts!
v01d666 Anakins father was Darth Plageuis the sith lord who Palpatine talks about... his former master whom he murdered in his sleep once attaining his knowledge...
Allow me to correct you. Almah does not mean virgin. It simply meant a young woman or a woman of marriageable age. Had the prophet explicitly meant virgin the word betulah would have been used. Betulah is the only word in biblical and modern Hebrew that conveys sexual purity.
@@robertpotter7940 I understand what you are saying. Michael Heiser explains further here. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. ua-cam.com/video/5j81K6EFpn0/v-deo.html
"Hitchens would never make fun of Islam like this." Half of his articles in the last decade have been rants against islam. Every thinking person already knows that Islam is childish and violent, he doesn't have to say it ALL the time. In america christians are given a free pass for their nonsense and crudeness, this is why he debates christians.
The problem isn't answering or rebutting the illogical ramblings of the religious, the real problem is how many of them would lay down their lives and quite possibly your life too (without your consent) just to remain loyal to an idea that was decimated by logic on the same day it was concocted. Far too many people will always accept what they are told without question, the greatest enemy of our time by far is "Gullibility". Case in point: ISIS (the islamic kind not Osiris' wife). An organization where "gullibility" can make someone join them from across the planet because they are convinced through overly dramatic claims that the end of the world is coming and they need to dodge the hell fire by binding together with like minded simpletons and whoever disagrees should die. ISIS is the new Scientology wing of Islam, they love brutality almost as much as Scientologists love money. Truth requires no belief as it is self evident, only lies require belief as they ALWAYS come without evidence.
I like what you said but is truth really self evident? Doesn't seem like we can know the truth except that nothing we know is for certain, and even that is uncertain.
I've seen stage productions where they accomplish this by projecting a hologram of said dead person. War of the Worlds comes to mind. They are not particularly favourable.
@@prophettoatheists8057 restoration of what? Mankind never fell, mankind has been evolving constantly since day one, we have technology more advanced then any other civilization in the history of this planet, thanks to the ever increasing intellect of PEOPLE, not some fairy tales Christians tell each other to make themselves feel better
@@ashtonandkylievideos2929 Magical beings exist they are call magicans and yes they do impregnate women most regularly. The being I am talking about would be a miraculous being and must exist because we and this universe exist.Mary was impregnated by a miraculous being called the Holy Spirit.Nothing complicated comes from a less complicated source . Life is complicated,even extremely complicated in all cases.thanks
Christ, it is affirmed, was born of Mary. If so, what relation did she bear to him? 1. If he was born of Mary, she was his mother. 2. She "being with child by the Holy Ghost," and Father, Son and Holy Ghost being one, she bore to him the relation of wife. 3. God being the Father of all mankind, and God and Christ being one, she was his daughter. 4. She being the daughter of God, and Christ being the Son of God, she was therefore his sister. Consequently Mary bore to him the relation of mother, wife, daughter and sister.
James Bell that's not science buddy that's supernatural dogmatic assumption, if Jesus ever did exist as a ''person'' the father of Jesus was a human that either raped Mary in her sleep without her knowing or she wanted another man's dick deep in her pussy wile joseph her husband was away... so Jesus was born out of adultery or rape, sorry but the truth hurts your fucking delusional, if you believe the bullshit that god is the father sorry but that would mean god raped her, the bible is clear god didn't ask for consent lmao...
Virgin birth, resurrection, walk on water, tuning water into wine, heaven, hell, angles, god and other evidence-less claims including the bible itself were fabricated by people throughout the years . These two versus are from the so called words of the lord: Luke 6:31 Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. exodus 21.2-11 When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. One verse says treat others the way you want to be treated and another verse promotes slavery and assumes slavery is business as usual. This is proof that the primitive man wrote the bible and claimed it to be the words of the lord.
It's an artifice to pretend Hitchens or anyone else mattered, no worldview has any real value, we all are destined to the same nothingness, how we fill the time before nothingness is inconsequential. To argue with someone that doesn't think as you do is vanity, your words are ultimately as meaningless as anyone else's. What you state is your preference, and some strange intellectual vanity that pretends your understanding of your meaningless existence is somehow more meaningful than another meaningless use of time.
its one thing to believe a virgin can get pregnant by a man, but totally different when he is the invisible man in the sky. but it makes sense that they use that so that there is no possibility of showing proof of it being wrong.
“We owe to Christianity, to the philosophers, poets, and musicians, a superabundance of deeply agitated feelings, the hot flow of belief in ultimate truths, which Christianity, especially, has made so wild.” -Nietzsche
I had a similar discussion with a Christian awhile ago. He insisted that god knew everything in advance so pre-destiny exists but that we have free will. I pointed out the same thing that the 2 statements were mutually incompatible. If god knows what will happen you are pre-destined to make certain decisions which by definition can't be called free will. Free will means you can make a different decision. He couldn't understand this which I guess is predictable given his belief system.
@@nathansmith6365 As far as I'm concerned, most religion (if not all) are. Many copied themes from previous religion and a lot can be traced back to ancient sun/star worship. I won't believe in god or the devil till I meet one of em. 🤷♂
@@StatikV87 the Three Wisemen was a reference to the star constellations that appear in summer, the actual birth date of Jesus. That the church had to co-op the pagan winter solstice date seems petty and desperate. As far as meeting a mythical being, perhaps its better to think of it as conjuring whatever spirit seems best. Personal choice, not imposition.
Hitch and D'Souza is incidentally the perfect pairing: D'Souza's slow witted, coming-from-a-mile away soft balls represent a type of credulity common to professors of faith, so any point he makes provides the ideal set up for Hitchen's rebuttals.
Probably the only person who has ever lived who can take a phrase as crass as "Your mom was a ho" and make it sound articulate, and even a bit classy. It says much for the mastery of language".
As per Hindu mythology- Krishna was not born of a virgin mother. His mother was married to Vasudeva and he was their 8th child. But that doesn't make hindu religion better than other religions. I know the hindu mythologies but not Hindu scriptures so can't say much about Hinduism.
i have run across resource after resource, sometimes through methodology, sometimes through chance...I adore the happenstance of chance..I'm loving this guy :)
It's interesting to me that the Gospel of Mark, likely the earliest one to be written, mentions nothing of the virgin birth, or Jesus being born in Bethlehem or him really being divine at all. It didn't originally even include any post-resurrection appearances.
Theology is an interesting mix of ancient history and mythology defense. There's so much concern with prioritizing chronological order to give academic credence to thunderstruck prophecy, that what is actually being supported gets glossed over. It's a book, written by groups of men, hundreds of years after 'the fact'. The veracity of the source is essentially an elaborate game of Telephone Operator. Whats real is the genesis of a political church, and its exertion of a codified frame of reference to influence the very expression of a burgeoning mankind still shaking off its caveman past. I mean, even atheists exclaim "dammit!" when surprised or infuriated. THAT'S real power: to shape how mankind thinks and talks. Another feature is the belief that man loses something as he evolves. Happens in biblical and Constitutional purists, and they put the brakes on moving towards the true freedom necessary for brotherhood to fulfill its potential.
The virgin birth is important to Christians because of Arianism. Arius (born 256 CE in Libya), declared that there was a time Jesus did not exist. He believed in an adoptionist theory - that Jesus became God at his baptism by John. The letters of Paul, which predate the Gospels, and the Gospel of Mark, the first Gospel to be composed, do not have a birth narrative. In combating Arianism, Mary received the title, Theotokos - God bearer. Suddenly, hymns, paintings, and churches dedicated to Mary cropped up all over the place. She also started to appear in places in visions. Luke's Gospel states Mary was a virgin when she conceived. Matthew's Gospel never says that. The reader just assumes it. All Matthew's Gospel states is that Joseph discovered she was pregnant. An angel appears to Joseph - not Mary - in a dream and tells him that the child will be the Messiah. The church's battle with Arianism show that the virgin birth is needed for Christianity because without it, they have a harder time defending their concept of Trinity.
@@prophettoatheists8057 Whether Jesus' was born of a virgin or not is not as important as His death, resurrection and ascenscion. Mark and John do not write about Jesus birth because it was not important nor does John ever mention Jesus' mother by her name. In Matthew's Gospel, an angel appears to Joseph and tells Joseph that he is to name the child Jesus. Mary's virginity is not stated but inferred. Focusing on how Jesus got here detracts attention away fro what He did while on this side of the curtain.
@@Monkofmagnesia The Bible must be the authority on Jesus and none of it is to discounted. Yes, there are lots of misunderstandings and misinterpretations. The virgin birth is part of the support for the prophetic fulfillment.
What else is owning a human being if not slavery? Quoting Deuteronomy 3: "The LORD said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon."" It's right there in black and white - god orders genocide.
Mr Hitchens owns religion :). I have more respect for this man than any preacher simply because he makes sense of what is the most complicated subject of all literate time. Please keep up the good work Mr Hitchens
@@kellydalstok8900 First ,God is not man,but God is Spirit.Next God spoke about everything into existance.Third ,God made nothing out of thin air nor did He use magic because magic is a illusiion. God created everything by the use of His miracules powers,which are powers that go against the nature of this world.Yes it is very far more reasonable to believe God did it as opposed to that it all happened by itself naturally,much more reasonable.thanks
@@joman388 No, it's certainly not more reasonable. It simply sounds like a concoction developed out of thin air to explain something which seems more complex than you are capable of understanding. The conceit lies in the idea it must be comprehensible to you for find it believable.
@@Unimane My concoction was not developed out of thin air,the concoction was developed over about a few thousand years by 66 authors inspired by God Himself called the bible.The thin air concoction would be that 3 billion strands of dna came to be all by itself,something called un imaginable as nobody believes complex things come to be all by theirselves. "The conceit lies in the idea it must be comprehen sible to you for find it believable"There is a statement I do not understand.thanks
theologians are divided about the word 'virgin' as most agree it refers to a 'young woman' in the Hebrew text..Hitch is simply revealing the Virgin birth is common in many faiths and fables to which he's correct..
The Christians chose to translate it as virgin. (Which in the original Latin just meant "unmarried woman".) It is a religion, so of course the interpretations became increasingly fantastic.
God sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so that mankind might be saved from his hate through his love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PRAISE THE ANCIENT HEBREW TRIBAL GOD YAHWEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are also told that we will have to give an accounting for our sins . Didn't Jesus take all of them away from all of humanity ?? Sadly , many of the absolute WORST , most dishonest , vengeful , and sad / angry people whom I have ever met will proclaim themselves to be " True Believers " And " True Christians . " MOST . Not all . I just wonder why God would allow / reward those people to continue with their evil ways , and allow them to ( By proclaiming themselves as followers and literally " holier than thou " ) represent Him .
God said to Abraham, kill me a son, Abe said man, you must be puttin' me on.. Sigmund Freud should've talked about the Abraham Complex. It explains a lot more in history than the Oedipus Complex.
In Alaska the Tlingit’s Raven turned into a seed inside of Chiefs daughters drinking gourd. Thus bringing to the people of Southeast Alaska the Moon, the Sun, the Stars, and making the archipelago.
Duncan Morin I am aware of all the mythological embellishments surrounding the Buddha's birth and life. If you read all the sutras, you will see myriad stories of miracles attributed to him...always by others...as well as sexism too. Now you can either take all of that as truth or use your brain to see through the male chauvinistic politics of the time or the fervently faithful embellishments. If the Buddha was truly enlightened, do you think he would claim to be divine or lie about his nature? One of my favorite sayings from him: paraphrased - There are things seen by the eye, Heard by the ear, Tasted by the tongue, Touched by the body, Thoughts arising from the contact of these corresponding objects to these senses... If there is anyone who proclaims, "I have knowledge, I know things which are beyond these things." That person would be speaking untruth. “Doubt everything. Find your own light.” ― Gautama Buddha “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” ― Gautama Buddha And so on and so on...So how does it strike you? Should we believe the myths or sexist, political things in the stories of the Buddha? Or should we use our common sense to weed out the obviously tainted texts?
Michael Duer No Christian would say Jesus would teach that: There are things seen by the eye, Heard by the ear, Tasted by the tongue, Touched by the body, Thoughts arising from the contact of these corresponding objects to these senses... If there is anyone who proclaims, "I have knowledge, I know things which are beyond these things." That person would be speaking untruth. “Doubt everything. Find your own light.” ― Gautama Buddha “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” ― Gautama Buddha Zero Christians would even dare to think these thoughts were taught by Christ.
Michael Duer No, "I don't know" would only refer to I don't know what the heck you are talking about if you don't include reference quotes to what you are commenting on.
Honestly i don't know much about the myth or reality of virgin birth in other faiths and religions however, Hitchens quoting that Krishna was born of a virgin birth in relation to hinduism is utterly wrong. He was born to Devaki and her husband, Vasudeva,When Mother Earth became upset by the sin being committed on Earth, she thought of seeking help from Lord Vishnu. She went in the form of a cow to visit Lord Vishnu and ask for help. Lord Vishnu agreed to help her and promised her that he would be born on Earth. On Earth in the Yadava clan, he was yadav according to his birth, a prince named Kansa sent his father Ugrasena (King of Mathura) to prison and became the King himself. One day a loud voice from the sky (Akash Vani in Hindi) prophesied that the 8th son of Kansa's sister (Devaki) would kill Kansa. Out of affection for Devaki, Kansa did not kill her outright. He did, however, send his sister and her husband (Vasudeva) to prison. Lord Vishnu himself later appeared to Devaki and Vasudeva and told them that he himself would be their eighth son and kill Kansa and destroy sin in the world. In the story of Krishna the deity is the agent of conception and also the offspring.[citation needed] Because of his sympathy for the earth, the divine Vishnu himself descended into the womb of Devaki and was born as her son, Vaasudeva (i.e., Krishna).[citation needed] This is occasionally cited as evidence that "virgin birth" tales are fairly common in non-Christian religions around the world.However, there is nothing in Hindu scriptures to suggest that it was a "virgin" birth. By the time of conception and birth of Krishna, Devaki was married to Vasudeva and had already borne 7 children. In summation i am not trying to credit or discredit anything but a clearer and better interpretation and translation of religious and mythological facts would have been much better appreciated from learned men like Late Hitchens.
I agree with the basic thought of Hitchens but there is a factual inaccuracy. Lord Krishna was not born to a virgin mother. His father was Vasudeva. Of course, there are lots of other Gods in Hinduism who were born to virgin mothers :-)
He was not a God. And it is later day purists that said something like it was virgin birth. In original Mahabharata Suryadev impregnated Kunti and also restored her physiological virginity after Karna's birth. You need to know that there is no concept of original sin in ancient Hinduism. Sex is not seen as bad here, at least in Hinduism. So virgin birth not necessary for divinity.
And whats worse is that the Hebrew term translated into "virgin" really meant "maiden," which can simply mean "young woman," and yes, a "young wife." There is no reason to believe she was a virgin at all, but people don't research these translational errors. And yes, its hardly a 'new' myth, the virgin birth.
Lord Krishna was not born of a virgin. Hindu scriptures don't say it. He was the eighth born son of Devaki and Vasudeva. Hitchens is not amongst us anymore, but those who watch this video need to know this.
technically you are correct, Devaki was not a virgin. However this article (part of it) gives a more detailed explanation of the birth "Lord Vishnu himself later appeared to Devaki and Vasudeva and told them that he himself would be their eight son and kill Kansa and destroy sin in the world. In the story of Krishna the deity is the agent of conception and also the offspring.[citation needed] Because of his sympathy for the earth, the divine Vishnu himself descended into the womb of Devaki and was born as her son, Vaasudeva (i.e., Krishna).[citation needed] This is occasionally brought up as evidence for the hypothesis that "virgin birth" tales are fairly common in non-Christian religions around the world.[51][52][53] However, there is nothing in Hindu scriptures to suggest that it was a "virgin" birth. By the time of conception and birth of Krishna, Devaki was married to Vasudeva and had already borne 7 children.[54] Virgin birth in this case should be more accurately understood as divine conception. Kunti the mother of the Pandavas referenced contemporaneously with the story of Krishna in the Mahabharata also has divine conception and virgin birth of Prince Karna."
+Saifuddin Merchant It's not virgin birth. It says Suryadev impregnated Kunti. Though it is also very unlikely to have happened, still it's not virgin birth. Her physiology was returned to virgin condition after Karna's birth.
@hubbs86 You are incorrect. The mythological virgin birth stories detailed by Hitchens (disregarding Muslim mythology, as Islam is post Christianity) predate Christianity by at least 800 (that's a very conservative number) to over 3000 years in the case of Egyptian mythology.
So let me get this straight… god (the jesus bit) was his own father..well the ghost part… yet he impregnated his mother by magic. Yep, all making sense so far.
@masala505, one of the things that seems illogical about God in the first place, is why does he always need help from humans anyway? he needed Mary to create Jesus, he needed Noah to build the Ark, not to mention wouldn't it be impossible for a human to build a ark with limited Tech to hold 2 of every animal on earth? why didn't god just spare the animal himself?
Matthew erroneously interprets Isaiah’s 7:14 quote about a woman who gets pregnant, and then applies it to Mary. Where the Hebrew talks about a young woman (alma) it is mis translated into Greek as virgin ( Parthenos).
Yes, a load of wicked people mocking Jesus..it is always the case. Yet, I have discovered love and purity in Jesus, who is with me every day. Yes, I know He came to redeem us ad save us, because this is something that really happen in my life, as well as in the lives of others.
He often repeats his mistake that the Virgin Birth is the Immaculate Conception. The IC is the claim that Mary was born without sin. It's an official belief of the Catholic Church.
@@dorkception2012 Err, then why are people still talking about it thousands of years later? Filling halls and theatres such as these, wasting their time aren't they? I'm sure you write better 'stories'.
@@neilarmstrongsson795 Because most of the people are wishful illiterates who drop the reasoning abilities for false hopes and dreams. Ask anyone who would like to be certain if there is no afterlife beyond death. 8 people from 10 will tell, that they wish there is some form of afterlife, only a few people able to digest reality as it is. Keep on trolling with your weak "arguments"! ;)
@@neilarmstrongsson795 Same as they talked about the Egyptian and Roman and Norse gods for over a thousand years and all the other gods, cos humans are driven by fear, want, need, desire and illogical thoughts of superstition and society ingrains these myths.. If it were not so then why do more people read their horoscopes than believe in god?
As someone who spent over 20 years as a Chrisitan... and in response to your last comment... most are. Seriously, you can hardly believe the mass ignorance bred throughout the Bible Belt. Most haven't even read their own holy text all the way through.
God I miss hitch, even when I disagreed or felt uncomfortable he challenged us. In regards to what he had to say in this video it makes me think of the song Like a Virgin:-) and how virgin births per not exclusive and how virgin births are not exclusive to Christianity period and how so many religions have so many of the same plot points.
This is not challenging and he doesn’t even explain why God used a virgin to bring in his Son into the world. He’s was just another grifter who made millions writing shitty books to a gullible atheist audience. If you think this dude is being genuine when he’s talking, you’re bad a spotting liars
There is no Virgin Birth in the gospel of Matthew. During the Second Temple Period, the betrothal (kiddushin) came first, which was followed a year later by the nisu'in (nuptials), when the husband (et al) "carries" his wife from her father's house and brings her to the home that he's prepared for his wife. (Cf. the Parable of the Ten Virgins). I submit that the use of συνελθεῖν (came together) in Matthew 1:18 refers to the nisu'in (nuptials), when the husband and wife publicly "come together" (συνέρχομαι) as a couple and the ketubah (marriage contract) is read aloud. The Church assumes that the Greek word συνέρχομαι alludes to the couple "coming together" in a sexual union. Yet, the word συνέρχομαι is used of Yeshu "coming together" with his disciples (Acts 1:6) and it's used of Cornelius' kinsmen and near friends "coming together" (Acts 10:24-27) and it's used of Paul and the chief of the Jews "coming together" (Acts 28:17), etc. In short, the word συνέρχομαι needn't be interpreted as "coming together" in a sexual union. Prior to the 3rd century C.E., Jewish law (halakah) held that a man obtained a wife by 1. paying money (kessef), 2. a written declaration of intent (shetar), and 3. sexual intercourse (bi'ah) - Mishnah Kiddushin 1:1. (See also, "The Jewish Way in Love and Marriage" by Maurice Lamm, pp. 143f). It was the custom among the plebeian class of Jews to have coitus (bi'ah) as part of their betrothal (kiddushin). Why? Aside from tradition, it was only logical for the groom to ensure that his wife was indeed a virgin, rather than pay the kessef (money) and the mohar (dowry of 200 zuzim for a virgin) and scrape together the funds to pay for the wedding feast, only to find out at the nisu'in (nuptials) that his wife wasn't a virgin. Lamm writes (ibid., p. 146), "After the man has addressed the marriage formula to the woman before two witnesses, the couple retires to a private place with the intent of effecting the betrothal (kiddushin) through intercourse (bi'ah). The Sages considered this to be gross, virtually an act of prostitution (πορνεία), and in the third century Rav decreed flogging for those who chose this manner of betrothal. Nonetheless, if the marriage was performed in this way it was legally valid. Only kessef is performed today; both intercourse and contract as forms of betrothal are obsolete." The account in Matthew is simply stating that Miriam was found to be pregnant by Yosef prior to their coming together at the nuptials (nisu'in). As for the role played by HaShem's Spirit in the conception, proto-Rabbinic Judaism teaches the following: "There are three partners in man ... his father supplies the ... substance out of which are formed the child's bones, sinews, nails, brain and the white in his eye. His mother supplies the ... substance out of which is formed his skin, flesh, hair and black of his eye. HaShem gives him the soul and breath, beauty of features, eyesight, hearing, speech, understanding, and discernment. When his time comes to depart this world, HaShem takes his share and leaves the shares of his mother and father with them" - Niddah 31a; cf. She'iltot, Yitro, 56; Leviticus Rabbah 14.5 (on Psalms 27:10). In short, *HaShem's Spirit is an agent in the conception of each and every child*. Why did Yosef want to secretly divorce Miriam? Because he wanted to save her from the gossips among the patrician class of Jews, who regarded the combination of kessef (money) and bi'ah (coitus) to effect the kiddushin (betrothal) as being tantamount to prostitution (πορνεία). Nevertheless, Yosef was reminded in a dream that he'd followed the established halakah (religio-legal ruling), so there was no need to be ashamed and he need not divorce his wife. That being said, later in Yeshu's life, certain Judeans said to him, "We be not born of fornication (πορνεία); we have one Father ... HaShem" (John 8:41). Obviously, this was meant to be a taunting jab at the circumstances of Yeshu's conception during his parents' kiddushin (betrothal), which these particular Judeans regarded as being essentially an act of prostitution (πορνεία). How did Yeshu's followers combat this vituperation? They simply pointed to Isaiah 7:14, which states that a "newly wed" (עַלְמָה) will conceive a child, who, like each and every child, will have a soul that is a portion of the Deity from above (chelek Elokim mima'al). Yeshu's Jewish followers had no intention of using Isaiah 7:14 as a means to espouse their belief in parthenogenesis. They'd have regarded the Christian doctrine of the Virgin Birth and Miriam's Immaculate Conception to be patently absurd. Would you like to see Luke's conception story placed back into its proper historical, linguistic, and cultural context? Or would you like to know why Yosef didn't have coitus with Miriam during her pregnancy?
Virgin birth is important for Christians because they feel that sex is shameful and they hate to imagine Jesus' mother doing something so dirty, or their own mother doing it, for that matter.
The quest for unification seeks to find physical laws that are valid in all situations and locations in spacetime. The point of physical laws is that they should not work in only one situation or location, but that they are valid in all of spacetime. The fact that Newton's laws are not valid in certain situation (e.g near light speed, at planck distances) proves that it is not an absolute physical law.
I laughed so hard at the Joseph Smith of the LDS religion joke !! I do miss Christopher Hitchens. If only we could have convinced him to stop smoking and overeating -- what a shame....
There has been no recorded case of mammalian parthenogenesis occurring in nature. And it did happen, since the mother would have no Y chromosome, the product of such a birth would have to be female.
Nice Bunny ears! Great testamony! " A fool has said in his heart, there's no God" And yes I am repeating the truth. You're repeating,Truth? What truth? Listen The bottom line is this; Love is the greatest weapon know to mankind against hate, resentment, division, Etc. I'm on the side of Love. It is obvious that you've never had a personal encounter with Jesus the Christ, I have! I speak from experiance = FACTS! I challenge you to call him out! 1 on 1...... Get ready, Your life Will change!!
The Catholic church has also been working on Anne, Mary's mom for the last number of years, saying that for Mary to have been chosen that her mom was also without original sin to have Mary be blessed. Few decades more then the grandmother and her mother and so on. Seriously Dog2son, Christopher was speaking about the Quran version of her.
I didn’t get why he just threw that out. There are better insults than just saying Joseph Smith DIDN’T claim that.... Seemed like an easy laugh; except that Hitchens is criticizing Smith for NOT making such a claim. Agnosticism-Atheism has far better arguments than just throwing an insincere jab at someone for spite. It doesn’t erode the stereotype of Atheists being bitter, mean-spirited, and joyless.
@@williamweigt7632 Joseph smith was a evil a pervert two - bit hustler . Had up to 40 wives youngest age 13 and with all these wives no virgin birth and that no joke. Joseph smith was shot a killed by a mob in carthage llinois 1844.
As miraculous as it seems, it is even more miraculous that today so many people are delivered from their sinful and wicked way, by the power of the same spirit. He gave me a new life, I have no difficulty trusting HIM for everything!!!
The consequence of unbelief makes this life everything, with 90+ years of inexplicable joy to put all your eggs in this basket. Faith brings you eternal life with a perfect body in a place that is incomprehensible. God loves us either way, but it's our choice.
The real question I would like answered is if the atheists/agnostics get their way, will they be able to live in the world they create? Remove the restraints on people that religion provides and will they be free or in bondage?
The real question is why you imagine that nonbelievers don't exercise self-restraint. Are you so deluded by opposing people's freedom to choose what they believe that you really think heathens and infidels have no morality whatsoever?
I don't see anything morally contemptible with masturbation. And I never heard a single profound objection to it. If there was, there would long since be a law that punishes this behaviour, yet, the only ones who actually think it's immoral are sexually repressed christians, virgins, priests, that whole bag. There also is nothing reproachable about not being a heterosexual. If you contest this assumption, this discussion is over.
Whomever was arguing with you about masturbation 5 five years ago was made of lego because you have thoroughly disassembled him with logical and eloquent arguments with a pinch of compassion
There were loads of your girls who lied, yet it is only Christ who is the greatest man of all time, as millions would testify. His power and mercy will meet you where you are, His love and grace is far greeter then anything else
I'm at total peace and I have no master but myself. What's your point? Feeling that you're subjugated has no bearing on whether what you believe is true. Ever read 1984? Did Big Brother suddenly start existing when Winston fell on his knees at the end?
@tetherson So what? The problem is not just that Jesus was allegedly born or a virgin, or born without sin, or that Mary's conception was immaculate. The problem is the concept of Original Sin.The notion that anyone is "born in sin," or "born a sinner" because of something a mythological couple did 6,000 years ago, requiring a Jesus to born born sinless so that he could die for all our sins, especially the one we had nothing to do with, that were a mere accident of birth, is simply abhorrent.
So, because of the new testament, The new law was Love. To love one another. He respected women, held them in high esteem, example, the prostitude, He could've agreed with the crowd to kill her accordint to the old testament, but he didn't. His new testament teaching said "whoever is perfect among you all, Go ahead & kill her. Such powerful teaching that they all walked away. That's the power of what Jesus (was) & is all about. That's all folks. It's not that complicated. Just give love (Cont)
In a letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams on April 11th, 1823. "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." Thomas Jefferson
Josh McDowell's comments Part 3 "Dr. Thomas Thorburn comments appropriately: All these various stories of supernatural conceptions and births, which we meet with in folklore and the history of mythology, have this one point in common -they serve to point not so much to the similarity as to the complete contrast and dissimilarity which exists between the Christian birth story and the tales which are current in various pagan circles. 78/158."
Virgin decan is Aug 23 - Sept 2,...time of M Teresa birth and Pasqalina Lehnert,...Virgin decan video on my channel shows even the I-Ching knows Virgin decan and the hexagram descriptor is the most likely source for all the religious attention to that time. The church changed the Feast of the Queenship of Mary to Aug 22.
Rom 3:23-For all have sinned & fallen short of the glory of God; Rom. 6:23-For the wages of sin is deathl but the gife of God is EVER- LASTING LIFE through Jesus Christ. our Lord. Act 3:19-"Repent you, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out.; Rom 5:8- But God commendeth His Love towards us in that , while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
What a colossal titan of intellectual dexterity and conviction to the truth we lost before his time.
Hitch, we miss you. Greatly.
gawd wouldn't wanna be boinkin no hos
"Credulity" said an atheist who gullibly believed that slime became Frankenslime. Hýpocrite atheist fanatics. Glad he's in hell now.
Joseph may have been the most naive husband of all time.
Mary: "No I didn't cheat on you, Joseph, God did it!"
The mind is a box that rarely ventures outside its four walls. But the truth has always been swarming with the pimps and whores of religion. But be be careful how you handle the truth lest it turn and bite you in the ars
@Topspeed350 one generally never hears from a true believer. It only has the appearance of being so
The best informed.
@Topspeed350 same for non believers
Mary had a grudge baby.........someone had it in for her.
The importance of a virgin birth in religion is if you believe THAT, you'll believe anything!
No, I do not believe that you are a descendant of an apelike creature.
@@prophettoatheists8057 the beauty of science is that it is self correcting, based on evidence. Belief is irrelevant.
@@jsmariani4180 The "beauty " of the human mind is that we can do science. The reason we have a mind is by being in the image of Creator.
YOur belief is relevant in that you defend atheism.
If you believe that life came from non living materials, then you will believe abiogenesis.
But we both observe that life always comes from life and not "lucky" molecules.
@prophetto atheists
I think by all metrics “apelike creature” is a pretty accurate description of a homo sapiens / human. We are by definition a primate.
I’d suggest giving the Bronze Age fairy tail books a break for a week or two and having a look at some contemporary biology and anthropology reads instead.
Please remember the device you’re using to watch this video and share your beliefs with us was created by people applying the scientific method, not by a miracle. Since this method has been working so well for all of us modern apes, maybe consider giving its literature a chance.
Best of luck on your journey brother, peace ✌🏽
I just enjoy listening to someone who can speak the English language for a change. The fact that he uses pure, irrefutable logic is a wonderful addition to the experience.
I would buy snake oil from him.
A change from what, Chinese?
"Credulity" said an atheist who gullibly believed that slime became Frankenslime. Hýpocrite atheist fanatics. Glad he's in hell now.
I love Christopher. He kicks religion right in the guts. Pity he’s no longer here.
It must have hurt Chris's foot as religion did "feel " a thing.
Yup,hes in hell
@@jeffreydog9850 the fact that you think people deserve to be tortured infintely simply is sickening.
@SigmaTauri2 I gave Jane the second like, if that helps..
@@prophettoatheists8057 keep deluding yourself by thinking that his work barely had any effect on anyone
“I’m pregnant.” “Sex outside marriage is punished by being stoned to death.” “I’m still a virgin, it was a miracle.” “Lucky you!”
Immaculate conception means that Mary was conceived without original sin. You are confusing this concept with the Virgin Birth aka Parthenogenesis.
Temple impregnation or artificial insemination by selected God-fathers.
@@ThereIsNoLord Thanks for the correction I did get those mixed up - corrected!
@@ThereIsNoLord One or the other--still bu---hit.
@@viktoriaironpride4977 Yes, but we need to keep the BS straight.
As an exMormon I appreciated Hitchen's reference to Joseph Smith at the end.
So are you now an atheist?
I hadntecenrly finished the Fawn Brody biography of Joseoh Smith. Boy, was he a grifter and a cheat. Anda Horn dog. He had over 50 wives that we could trace with some certainty. He married women who had been married to other men already. He married women and when that 2asnt enough married her daughter and / or sister as well. Just an freaking horn dog. Brigham Young was just as bad. It was so out of control and embarrassing, causing people everywhere to hate LDS, that the LDS church actually banned it in 1890.
Joseph Smith printed up his own money, not illegal at thr time as banks in thr frontier printed uo their own money for use in the wild west. But banks usually had enough gold or silver to cover their currency. Smith didn't. He pulled quite a number of shenanigans that ruled up so badly they broke into jail and shot him. Brigham Young git thr message and took all.his followers to Utah snd founded Salt Lake City.
Why put a label on it
@@paultruesdale7680 exactly
A level of unmatched class and eloquence, RIP
He won’t! There is no afterlife according to him!
"Still, I never knew there were so many imaculate conception stories about"
Whenever I relate the different similar god stories, virgin birth, flood stories, etc, to christians, their eyes glaze over and it goes right over their heads.
I was a christian for 49 years and when I started learning about all those stories....it stopped me dead in my tracks. I didn't ignore it. I said :WE BEEN HAD! The rest is history. :D
A seed sowed on stony ground. You will regret your choice.
The history of the church shows all kinds of red flags
I bet this was all learned from history.. I never found any lie in a history book.. except of course those books I did not like.. no those were all fake. Facts people facts!
Which story would you be referring to.thanks
@@joman388 all of them
Anakin Skywalker was also born of a virgin.
v01d666 Anakins father was Darth Plageuis the sith lord who Palpatine talks about... his former master whom he murdered in his sleep once attaining his knowledge...
🙄
@@MiraSubieGirl it was not darth plagueis. The force itself is anakins father.
@@TheNile22 Plageuis CHOSE a random Tatooine Woman to hold then birth the "Perfect Force user."
The "Chosen one" Myth was always connected as well.
@@TheNile22 So yes... your also right. There was no sex involved, he was created using a Woman and the Force directly.
Christopher is a very intelligent man and should speak out more , we need men like him in this world , we need him in more television debates .
Catch him on heaven TV tonight a 8
I believe he's dead. I think he said too many things against the Catholic Church in public, and we all know how that story ends...
A lost treasure, taken before his time
Virgin in Hebrew = Alma
It also meant "Young woman"
Now, which one of those things would be more likely?
Allow me to correct you. Almah does not mean virgin. It simply meant a young woman or a woman of marriageable age. Had the prophet explicitly meant virgin the word betulah would have been used. Betulah is the only word in biblical and modern Hebrew that conveys sexual purity.
The New Testament (the four versions) were not written in Hebrew.
@@robertpotter7940 I understand what you are saying. Michael Heiser explains further here. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. ua-cam.com/video/5j81K6EFpn0/v-deo.html
@@bgerystt3801 Let's say it they were written in Aramaic. It's still B. S.
The only thing I enjoy more than these videos are the comment sections...
true, it proves that inbreeds can type. LOL.
LMAO.
Virgin birth? I think i would put a fiver on Joseph.
@@nicolainilsen5101 maybe there was a spit roast involved. A threesome with God!
"Hitchens would never make fun of Islam like this."
Half of his articles in the last decade have been rants against islam. Every thinking person already knows that Islam is childish and violent, he doesn't have to say it ALL the time. In america christians are given a free pass for their nonsense and crudeness, this is why he debates christians.
The problem isn't answering or rebutting the illogical ramblings of the religious, the real problem is how many of them would lay down their lives and quite possibly your life too (without your consent) just to remain loyal to an idea that was decimated by logic on the same day it was concocted.
Far too many people will always accept what they are told without question, the greatest enemy of our time by far is "Gullibility".
Case in point: ISIS (the islamic kind not Osiris' wife).
An organization where "gullibility" can make someone join them from across the planet because they are convinced through overly dramatic claims that the end of the world is coming and they need to dodge the hell fire by binding together with like minded simpletons and whoever disagrees should die.
ISIS is the new Scientology wing of Islam, they love brutality almost as much as Scientologists love money.
Truth requires no belief as it is self evident, only lies require belief as they ALWAYS come without evidence.
I like what you said but is truth really self evident? Doesn't seem like we can know the truth except that nothing we know is for certain, and even that is uncertain.
James Bell you serious?
James Bell I'm confused, should I not have sent that link?
James Bell who the hell do you think you are lol
James Bell did you read the link of ten clear examples of illogical religious rambling?
christopher i miss you!!
I'm still here . I'm forced to coexist in the body of a madman named backaids
Miss this guy. We really still need his voice.
Others will rise up to sell you recordings of their voices and books. Don't waste your money.
I've seen stage productions where they accomplish this by projecting a hologram of said dead person.
War of the Worlds comes to mind.
They are not particularly favourable.
It's not his voice that we need, it's his tenacity in debating overly confident fanatics.
I love his quote that the whole New Testament is based on Mary lying to her husband.
The whole Bible is based on the fall or rejection of God's plan by mankind and His plan to provide the plan for mankind"s restoration by GRACE!
What lie did Mary tell? thanks
@@joman388 being impregnated by a magical being, cuz magical beings dont exist or impregnate women
@@prophettoatheists8057 restoration of what? Mankind never fell, mankind has been evolving constantly since day one, we have technology more advanced then any other civilization in the history of this planet, thanks to the ever increasing intellect of PEOPLE, not some fairy tales Christians tell each other to make themselves feel better
@@ashtonandkylievideos2929 Magical beings exist they are call magicans and yes they do impregnate women most regularly. The being I am talking about would be a miraculous being and must exist because we and this universe exist.Mary was impregnated by a miraculous being called the Holy Spirit.Nothing complicated comes from a less complicated source . Life is complicated,even extremely complicated in all cases.thanks
Christ, it is affirmed, was born of Mary. If so, what relation did she bear to him?
1. If he was born of Mary, she was his mother.
2. She "being with child by the Holy Ghost," and Father, Son and Holy Ghost being one, she bore to him the relation of wife.
3. God being the Father of all mankind, and God and Christ being one, she was his daughter.
4. She being the daughter of God, and Christ being the Son of God, she was therefore his sister.
Consequently Mary bore to him the relation of mother, wife, daughter and sister.
brilliant, you would be correct my good sir...
James Bell that's not science buddy that's supernatural dogmatic assumption, if Jesus ever did exist as a ''person'' the father of Jesus was a human that either raped Mary in her sleep without her knowing or she wanted another man's dick deep in her pussy wile joseph her husband was away... so Jesus was born out of adultery or rape, sorry but the truth hurts your fucking delusional, if you believe the bullshit that god is the father sorry but that would mean god raped her, the bible is clear god didn't ask for consent lmao...
James Bell well I can clearly see you're troll lol, cheers mate...
And here I thought the Trinity was mindfuck.
Brilliant!
Virgin birth, resurrection, walk on water, tuning water into wine, heaven, hell, angles, god and other evidence-less claims including the bible itself were fabricated by people throughout the years .
These two versus are from the so called words of the lord:
Luke 6:31 Treat others the same way you want them to treat you.
exodus 21.2-11 When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt.
One verse says treat others the way you want to be treated and another verse promotes slavery and assumes slavery is business as usual.
This is proof that the primitive man wrote the bible and claimed it to be the words of the lord.
It's an artifice to pretend Hitchens or anyone else mattered, no worldview has any real value, we all are destined to the same nothingness, how we fill the time before nothingness is inconsequential.
To argue with someone that doesn't think as you do is vanity, your words are ultimately as meaningless as anyone else's.
What you state is your preference, and some strange intellectual vanity that pretends your understanding of your meaningless existence is somehow more meaningful than another meaningless use of time.
That is because Luke 6:31 is applicable only to a brut of Vipers.
The acute angles are the worst... ;)
Biogenesis is a fabrication by people.
@@villiestephanov984
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible."
Mark Twain
its one thing to believe a virgin can get pregnant by a man, but totally different when he is the invisible man in the sky. but it makes sense that they use that so that there is no possibility of showing proof of it being wrong.
“We owe to Christianity, to the philosophers, poets, and musicians, a superabundance of deeply agitated feelings, the hot flow of belief in ultimate truths, which Christianity, especially, has made so wild.” -Nietzsche
I had a similar discussion with a Christian awhile ago. He insisted that god knew everything in advance so pre-destiny exists but that we have free will. I pointed out the same thing that the 2 statements were mutually incompatible. If god knows what will happen you are pre-destined to make certain decisions which by definition can't be called free will. Free will means you can make a different decision.
He couldn't understand this which I guess is predictable given his belief system.
Christianity: The story of how one woman's lie got way out of hand. lol
Exactly!....christianity is built on lies
@@nathansmith6365 As far as I'm concerned, most religion (if not all) are. Many copied themes from previous religion and a lot can be traced back to ancient sun/star worship. I won't believe in god or the devil till I meet one of em. 🤷♂
@@StatikV87 the Three Wisemen was a reference to the star constellations that appear in summer, the actual birth date of Jesus. That the church had to co-op the pagan winter solstice date seems petty and desperate. As far as meeting a mythical being, perhaps its better to think of it as conjuring whatever spirit seems best. Personal choice, not imposition.
She did not lie or say anything it was fabricated by the Catholic pioneers scribes
Muhammed the Σhit of all stories
Hitch and D'Souza is incidentally the perfect pairing: D'Souza's slow witted, coming-from-a-mile away soft balls represent a type of credulity common to professors of faith, so any point he makes provides the ideal set up for Hitchen's rebuttals.
I think virgin birth has a symbolic meaning in religions and mythology of the world.
Probably the only person who has ever lived who can take a phrase as crass as "Your mom was a ho" and make it sound articulate, and even a bit classy. It says much for the mastery of language".
Yes that's pretty much what he says about Mrs. Smith at the end but it doesn't sound like an insult.
@@Ericwvb2 perhaps she enjoyed the company of Mr. Smith
Unfortunately, I feel Hitch is almost irreplaceable.
As per Hindu mythology- Krishna was not born of a virgin mother. His mother was married to Vasudeva and he was their 8th child. But that doesn't make hindu religion better than other religions. I know the hindu mythologies but not Hindu scriptures so can't say much about Hinduism.
i have run across resource after resource, sometimes through methodology, sometimes through chance...I adore the happenstance of chance..I'm loving this guy :)
It's interesting to me that the Gospel of Mark, likely the earliest one to be written, mentions nothing of the virgin birth, or Jesus being born in Bethlehem or him really being divine at all. It didn't originally even include any post-resurrection appearances.
That's the bible, revised so much it has no use in a world where reason and logic demand the truth.
The last 20 verses in Mark were added later. No mention of it in the early Syriac Bible.
Bethlehem was founded in the second century. It was founded because someone decided that if it is mentioned in the bible then it should exist.
Theology is an interesting mix of ancient history and mythology defense. There's so much concern with prioritizing chronological order to give academic credence to thunderstruck prophecy, that what is actually being supported gets glossed over. It's a book, written by groups of men, hundreds of years after 'the fact'. The veracity of the source is essentially an elaborate game of Telephone Operator.
Whats real is the genesis of a political church, and its exertion of a codified frame of reference to influence the very expression of a burgeoning mankind still shaking off its caveman past. I mean, even atheists exclaim "dammit!" when surprised or infuriated. THAT'S real power: to shape how mankind thinks and talks. Another feature is the belief that man loses something as he evolves. Happens in biblical and Constitutional purists, and they put the brakes on moving towards the true freedom necessary for brotherhood to fulfill its potential.
“Likely”
Why do you write so certainly if you can’t even Google something similar simple.?
The virgin birth is important to Christians because of Arianism. Arius (born 256 CE in Libya), declared that there was a time Jesus did not exist. He believed in an adoptionist theory - that Jesus became God at his baptism by John. The letters of Paul, which predate the Gospels, and the Gospel of Mark, the first Gospel to be composed, do not have a birth narrative. In combating Arianism, Mary received the title, Theotokos - God bearer. Suddenly, hymns, paintings, and churches dedicated to Mary cropped up all over the place. She also started to appear in places in visions. Luke's Gospel states Mary was a virgin when she conceived. Matthew's Gospel never says that. The reader just assumes it. All Matthew's Gospel states is that Joseph discovered she was pregnant. An angel appears to Joseph - not Mary - in a dream and tells him that the child will be the Messiah. The church's battle with Arianism show that the virgin birth is needed for Christianity because without it, they have a harder time defending their concept of Trinity.
ALL fake stories in so-called holy books were written by humans NOT "god"
It is because of the virgin birth of Christ and His resurrection that there is Christianity.
@@prophettoatheists8057 Whether Jesus' was born of a virgin or not is not as important as His death, resurrection and ascenscion. Mark and John do not write about Jesus birth because it was not important nor does John ever mention Jesus' mother by her name. In Matthew's Gospel, an angel appears to Joseph and tells Joseph that he is to name the child Jesus. Mary's virginity is not stated but inferred. Focusing on how Jesus got here detracts attention away fro what He did while on this side of the curtain.
@@Monkofmagnesia The Bible must be the authority on Jesus and none of it is to discounted. Yes, there are lots of misunderstandings and misinterpretations.
The virgin birth is part of the support for the prophetic fulfillment.
@@PREPFORIT Yes, humans took down the dictation from spiritual inspiration. But there are not "fake " stories in the Holy Bible.
What else is owning a human being if not slavery?
Quoting Deuteronomy 3: "The LORD said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon.""
It's right there in black and white - god orders genocide.
This is what education does, people.
Exactly!!!
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel
Mr Hitchens owns religion :).
I have more respect for this man than any preacher simply because he makes sense of what is the most complicated subject of all literate time.
Please keep up the good work Mr Hitchens
The bottom line is that human life with 3 billion strands of dna per cell came to be all by itself?That is nonsense.thanks
@@joman388 Oh it’s far more reasonable that an invisible man poofed everything into existence out of thin air by magic, is it?
@@kellydalstok8900 First ,God is not man,but God is Spirit.Next God spoke about everything into existance.Third ,God made nothing out of thin air nor did He use magic because magic is a illusiion. God created everything by the use of His miracules powers,which are powers that go against the nature of this world.Yes it is very far more reasonable to believe God did it as opposed to that it all happened by itself naturally,much more reasonable.thanks
@@joman388 No, it's certainly not more reasonable. It simply sounds like a concoction developed out of thin air to explain something which seems more complex than you are capable of understanding. The conceit lies in the idea it must be comprehensible to you for find it believable.
@@Unimane My concoction was not developed out of thin air,the concoction was developed over about a few thousand years by 66 authors inspired by God Himself called the bible.The thin air concoction would be that 3 billion strands of dna came to be all by itself,something called un imaginable as nobody believes complex things come to be all by theirselves. "The conceit lies in the idea it must be comprehen sible to you for find it believable"There is a statement I do not understand.thanks
theologians are divided about the word 'virgin' as most agree it refers to a 'young woman' in the Hebrew text..Hitch is simply revealing the Virgin birth is common in many faiths and fables to which he's correct..
The Christians chose to translate it as virgin. (Which in the original Latin just meant "unmarried woman".)
It is a religion, so of course the interpretations became increasingly fantastic.
Or, maybe she's a Virgo!
God sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so that mankind might be saved from his hate through his love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PRAISE THE ANCIENT HEBREW TRIBAL GOD YAHWEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, why is it still an issue (threats of hell by "Christians, etc.)?
Heh?
Didn't Christ die to erase our sins? Yet we are told that we are born stained from the "original sin"?
We are also told that we will have to give an accounting for our sins . Didn't Jesus take all of them away from all of humanity ?? Sadly , many of the absolute WORST , most dishonest , vengeful , and sad / angry people whom I have ever met will proclaim themselves to be " True Believers " And " True Christians . " MOST . Not all . I just wonder why God would allow / reward those people to continue with their evil ways , and allow them to ( By proclaiming themselves as followers and literally " holier than thou " ) represent Him .
God said to Abraham, kill me a son, Abe said man, you must be puttin' me on.. Sigmund Freud should've talked about the Abraham Complex. It explains a lot more in history than the Oedipus Complex.
In Alaska the Tlingit’s Raven turned into a seed inside of Chiefs daughters drinking gourd. Thus bringing to the people of Southeast Alaska the Moon, the Sun, the Stars, and making the archipelago.
Uh....Gotama Buddha was not a god. Just a man as he himself proclaimed. Nor was his birth miraculous.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracles_of_Gautama_Buddha
You should read that, he was just another 'virgin' birth
Duncan Morin
I am aware of all the mythological embellishments surrounding the Buddha's birth and life. If you read all the sutras, you will see myriad stories of miracles attributed to him...always by others...as well as sexism too. Now you can either take all of that as truth or use your brain to see through the male chauvinistic politics of the time or the fervently faithful embellishments.
If the Buddha was truly enlightened, do you think he would claim to be divine or lie about his nature? One of my favorite sayings from him: paraphrased -
There are things seen by the eye,
Heard by the ear,
Tasted by the tongue,
Touched by the body,
Thoughts arising from the contact of these corresponding objects to these senses...
If there is anyone who proclaims, "I have knowledge, I know things which are beyond these things." That person would be speaking untruth.
“Doubt everything. Find your own light.”
― Gautama Buddha
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
― Gautama Buddha
And so on and so on...So how does it strike you? Should we believe the myths or sexist, political things in the stories of the Buddha? Or should we use our common sense to weed out the obviously tainted texts?
Michael Duer
Do you even understand what the topic is here? Why are you asking nonsensical questions?
Michael Duer
No Christian would say Jesus would teach that:
There are things seen by the eye,
Heard by the ear,
Tasted by the tongue,
Touched by the body,
Thoughts arising from the contact of these corresponding objects to these senses...
If there is anyone who proclaims, "I have knowledge, I know things which are beyond these things." That person would be speaking untruth.
“Doubt everything. Find your own light.”
― Gautama Buddha
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
― Gautama Buddha
Zero Christians would even dare to think these thoughts were taught by Christ.
Michael Duer
No, "I don't know" would only refer to I don't know what the heck you are talking about if you don't include reference quotes to what you are commenting on.
Honestly i don't know much about the myth or reality of virgin birth in other faiths and religions however, Hitchens quoting that Krishna was born of a virgin birth in relation to hinduism is utterly wrong. He was born to Devaki and her husband, Vasudeva,When Mother Earth became upset by the sin being committed on Earth, she thought of seeking help from Lord Vishnu. She went in the form of a cow to visit Lord Vishnu and ask for help. Lord Vishnu agreed to help her and promised her that he would be born on Earth. On Earth in the Yadava clan, he was yadav according to his birth, a prince named Kansa sent his father Ugrasena (King of Mathura) to prison and became the King himself. One day a loud voice from the sky (Akash Vani in Hindi) prophesied that the 8th son of Kansa's sister (Devaki) would kill Kansa. Out of affection for Devaki, Kansa did not kill her outright. He did, however, send his sister and her husband (Vasudeva) to prison. Lord Vishnu himself later appeared to Devaki and Vasudeva and told them that he himself would be their eighth son and kill Kansa and destroy sin in the world. In the story of Krishna the deity is the agent of conception and also the offspring.[citation needed] Because of his sympathy for the earth, the divine Vishnu himself descended into the womb of Devaki and was born as her son, Vaasudeva (i.e., Krishna).[citation needed] This is occasionally cited as evidence that "virgin birth" tales are fairly common in non-Christian religions around the world.However, there is nothing in Hindu scriptures to suggest that it was a "virgin" birth. By the time of conception and birth of Krishna, Devaki was married to Vasudeva and had already borne 7 children.
In summation i am not trying to credit or discredit anything but a clearer and better interpretation and translation of religious and mythological facts would have been much better appreciated from learned men like Late Hitchens.
I agree with the basic thought of Hitchens but there is a factual inaccuracy. Lord Krishna was not born to a virgin mother. His father was Vasudeva. Of course, there are lots of other Gods in Hinduism who were born to virgin mothers :-)
+Vinita Verma and 7 elder brothers too!!!!!!
+Vinita Verma Which Hindu Gods were born to virgin mothers?
Top of mind recall, Karn
He was not a God. And it is later day purists that said something like it was virgin birth. In original Mahabharata Suryadev impregnated Kunti and also restored her physiological virginity after Karna's birth. You need to know that there is no concept of original sin in ancient Hinduism. Sex is not seen as bad here, at least in Hinduism. So virgin birth not necessary for divinity.
Well, you are more conversant with Indian mythology than I am! And yes, there is no concept of Original Sin in Hinduism. Thanks for the correction :)
And whats worse is that the Hebrew term translated into "virgin" really meant "maiden," which can simply mean "young woman," and yes, a "young wife." There is no reason to believe she was a virgin at all, but people don't research these translational errors.
And yes, its hardly a 'new' myth, the virgin birth.
Lord Krishna was not born of a virgin. Hindu scriptures don't say it. He was the eighth born son of Devaki and Vasudeva. Hitchens is not amongst us anymore, but those who watch this video need to know this.
technically you are correct, Devaki was not a virgin. However this article (part of it) gives a more detailed explanation of the birth
"Lord Vishnu himself later appeared to Devaki and Vasudeva and told them that he himself would be their eight son and kill Kansa and destroy sin in the world. In the story of Krishna the deity is the agent of conception and also the offspring.[citation needed] Because of his sympathy for the earth, the divine Vishnu himself descended into the womb of Devaki and was born as her son, Vaasudeva (i.e., Krishna).[citation needed]
This is occasionally brought up as evidence for the hypothesis that "virgin birth" tales are fairly common in non-Christian religions around the world.[51][52][53] However, there is nothing in Hindu scriptures to suggest that it was a "virgin" birth. By the time of conception and birth of Krishna, Devaki was married to Vasudeva and had already borne 7 children.[54] Virgin birth in this case should be more accurately understood as divine conception. Kunti the mother of the Pandavas referenced contemporaneously with the story of Krishna in the Mahabharata also has divine conception and virgin birth of Prince Karna."
It's still like a long winded campfire story for entertainment. A passed along story that just keeps on growing in the retelling of it.
+Penmetsa Ramakrishnaraju whatever makes you happy to believe in :-)
all religions are man made
+Saifuddin Merchant It's not virgin birth. It says Suryadev impregnated Kunti. Though it is also very unlikely to have happened, still it's not virgin birth. Her physiology was returned to virgin condition after Karna's birth.
religion is bullshit, big bullshit, man made bullshit
@hubbs86 You are incorrect. The mythological virgin birth stories detailed by Hitchens (disregarding Muslim mythology, as Islam is post Christianity) predate Christianity by at least 800 (that's a very conservative number) to over 3000 years in the case of Egyptian mythology.
"You are NOT the father!"
- Maury P
But the Father is .
Rest in piece Mr. Hitchens.
Unlikely
Possibly the greatest public speaker of... (shall I? Oh, go on then...) ALL TIME. Love the Hitch. Telling it how it is.
So let me get this straight… god (the jesus bit) was his own father..well the ghost part… yet he impregnated his mother by magic. Yep, all making sense so far.
And don’t leave out the talking snake and the apple!
@@brianarbenz1329
And that snakes eventually lost their power of speech as they morphed into other species (evolution)
She was fooling around even after Jesus was born to point that the kid complained for ignoring him. It took a while to settle down for that nymph.
@masala505, one of the things that seems illogical about God in the first place, is why does he always need help from humans anyway? he needed Mary to create Jesus, he needed Noah to build the Ark, not to mention wouldn't it be impossible for a human to build a ark with limited Tech to hold 2 of every animal on earth? why didn't god just spare the animal himself?
Matthew erroneously interprets Isaiah’s 7:14 quote about a woman who gets pregnant, and then applies it to Mary.
Where the Hebrew talks about a young woman (alma) it is mis translated into Greek as virgin ( Parthenos).
Got to love how facts destroy the Biblical myth!
Yes, a load of wicked people mocking Jesus..it is always the case. Yet, I have discovered love and purity in Jesus, who is with me every day. Yes, I know He came to redeem us ad save us, because this is something that really happen in my life, as well as in the lives of others.
The gospels try to link Joseph the carpenter with king David... ofcourse to try to forfil the jewish prophecies... but why? He is not the father lol
Bagging on Maury Povich over heah...
He often repeats his mistake that the Virgin Birth is the Immaculate Conception. The IC is
the claim that Mary was born without sin. It's an official belief of the Catholic Church.
Err, still pretty dull story...
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Err, then why are people still talking about it thousands of years later?
Filling halls and theatres such as these, wasting their time aren't they?
I'm sure you write better 'stories'.
@@neilarmstrongsson795 Because most of the people are wishful illiterates who drop the reasoning abilities for false hopes and dreams.
Ask anyone who would like to be certain if there is no afterlife beyond death.
8 people from 10 will tell, that they wish there is some form of afterlife, only a few people able to digest reality as it is.
Keep on trolling with your weak "arguments"! ;)
@@neilarmstrongsson795 Same as they talked about the Egyptian and Roman and Norse gods for over a thousand years and all the other gods, cos humans are driven by fear, want, need, desire and illogical thoughts of superstition and society ingrains these myths.. If it were not so then why do more people read their horoscopes than believe in god?
As someone who spent over 20 years as a Chrisitan... and in response to your last comment... most are.
Seriously, you can hardly believe the mass ignorance bred throughout the Bible Belt. Most haven't even read their own holy text all the way through.
Also Mary was from the house of David, her husband was not, and since the 'saviour' had to be from the house of David, so this story was concocted.
God I miss hitch, even when I disagreed or felt uncomfortable he challenged us. In regards to what he had to say in this video it makes me think of the song Like a Virgin:-) and how virgin births per not exclusive and how virgin births are not exclusive to Christianity period and how so many religions have so many of the same plot points.
This is not challenging and he doesn’t even explain why God used a virgin to bring in his Son into the world. He’s was just another grifter who made millions writing shitty books to a gullible atheist audience. If you think this dude is being genuine when he’s talking, you’re bad a spotting liars
There is no Virgin Birth in the gospel of Matthew. During the Second Temple Period, the betrothal (kiddushin) came first, which was followed a year later by the nisu'in (nuptials), when the husband (et al) "carries" his wife from her father's house and brings her to the home that he's prepared for his wife. (Cf. the Parable of the Ten Virgins).
I submit that the use of συνελθεῖν (came together) in Matthew 1:18 refers to the nisu'in (nuptials), when the husband and wife publicly "come together" (συνέρχομαι) as a couple and the ketubah (marriage contract) is read aloud.
The Church assumes that the Greek word συνέρχομαι alludes to the couple "coming together" in a sexual union. Yet, the word συνέρχομαι is used of Yeshu "coming together" with his disciples (Acts 1:6) and it's used of Cornelius' kinsmen and near friends "coming together" (Acts 10:24-27) and it's used of Paul and the chief of the Jews "coming together" (Acts 28:17), etc.
In short, the word συνέρχομαι needn't be interpreted as "coming together" in a sexual union.
Prior to the 3rd century C.E., Jewish law (halakah) held that a man obtained a wife by 1. paying money (kessef), 2. a written declaration of intent (shetar), and 3. sexual intercourse (bi'ah) - Mishnah Kiddushin 1:1. (See also, "The Jewish Way in Love and Marriage" by Maurice Lamm, pp. 143f).
It was the custom among the plebeian class of Jews to have coitus (bi'ah) as part of their betrothal (kiddushin). Why? Aside from tradition, it was only logical for the groom to ensure that his wife was indeed a virgin, rather than pay the kessef (money) and the mohar (dowry of 200 zuzim for a virgin) and scrape together the funds to pay for the wedding feast, only to find out at the nisu'in (nuptials) that his wife wasn't a virgin.
Lamm writes (ibid., p. 146), "After the man has addressed the marriage formula to the woman before two witnesses, the couple retires to a private place with the intent of effecting the betrothal (kiddushin) through intercourse (bi'ah). The Sages considered this to be gross, virtually an act of prostitution (πορνεία), and in the third century Rav decreed flogging for those who chose this manner of betrothal. Nonetheless, if the marriage was performed in this way it was legally valid. Only kessef is performed today; both intercourse and contract as forms of betrothal are obsolete."
The account in Matthew is simply stating that Miriam was found to be pregnant by Yosef prior to their coming together at the nuptials (nisu'in). As for the role played by HaShem's Spirit in the conception, proto-Rabbinic Judaism teaches the following:
"There are three partners in man ... his father supplies the ... substance out of which are formed the child's bones, sinews, nails, brain and the white in his eye. His mother supplies the ... substance out of which is formed his skin, flesh, hair and black of his eye. HaShem gives him the soul and breath, beauty of features, eyesight, hearing, speech, understanding, and discernment. When his time comes to depart this world, HaShem takes his share and leaves the shares of his mother and father with them" - Niddah 31a; cf. She'iltot, Yitro, 56; Leviticus Rabbah 14.5 (on Psalms 27:10).
In short, *HaShem's Spirit is an agent in the conception of each and every child*.
Why did Yosef want to secretly divorce Miriam? Because he wanted to save her from the gossips among the patrician class of Jews, who regarded the combination of kessef (money) and bi'ah (coitus) to effect the kiddushin (betrothal) as being tantamount to prostitution (πορνεία). Nevertheless, Yosef was reminded in a dream that he'd followed the established halakah (religio-legal ruling), so there was no need to be ashamed and he need not divorce his wife.
That being said, later in Yeshu's life, certain Judeans said to him, "We be not born of fornication (πορνεία); we have one Father ... HaShem" (John 8:41). Obviously, this was meant to be a taunting jab at the circumstances of Yeshu's conception during his parents' kiddushin (betrothal), which these particular Judeans regarded as being essentially an act of prostitution (πορνεία).
How did Yeshu's followers combat this vituperation? They simply pointed to Isaiah 7:14, which states that a "newly wed" (עַלְמָה) will conceive a child, who, like each and every child, will have a soul that is a portion of the Deity from above (chelek Elokim mima'al).
Yeshu's Jewish followers had no intention of using Isaiah 7:14 as a means to espouse their belief in parthenogenesis. They'd have regarded the Christian doctrine of the Virgin Birth and Miriam's Immaculate Conception to be patently absurd.
Would you like to see Luke's conception story placed back into its proper historical, linguistic, and cultural context? Or would you like to know why Yosef didn't have coitus with Miriam during her pregnancy?
Virgin birth is important for Christians because they feel that sex is shameful and they hate to imagine Jesus' mother doing something so dirty, or their own mother doing it, for that matter.
Thumb up for that last dig on the modesty of Mrs. Smith.
Dang. Now I'm not sure which crazy story I'm supposed to believe. So many to choose from!
The quest for unification seeks to find physical laws that are valid in all situations and locations in spacetime. The point of physical laws is that they should not work in only one situation or location, but that they are valid in all of spacetime. The fact that Newton's laws are not valid in certain situation (e.g near light speed, at planck distances) proves that it is not an absolute physical law.
I laughed so hard at the Joseph Smith of the LDS religion joke !! I do miss Christopher Hitchens. If only we could have convinced him to stop smoking and overeating -- what a shame....
You forgot over drinking.
As a Baptist youth minister once said: "Your body is God's temple".
He should have been convinced to prepare to meet his Maker.
@@Harriet1822 A Baptist youth minister? That's from 1 Corinthians.
@@NxDoyle Thanks. Obviously, I was not raised a Christian.
There has been no recorded case of mammalian parthenogenesis occurring in nature. And it did happen, since the mother would have no Y chromosome, the product of such a birth would have to be female.
Nice Bunny ears! Great testamony! " A fool has said in his heart, there's no God" And yes I am repeating the truth. You're repeating,Truth? What truth? Listen The bottom line is this; Love is the greatest weapon know to mankind against hate, resentment, division, Etc. I'm on the side of Love. It is obvious that you've never had a personal encounter with Jesus the Christ, I have! I speak from experiance = FACTS! I challenge you to call him out! 1 on 1...... Get ready, Your life Will change!!
Let's also not forget that Anakin Skywalker was conceived via the force!
Mary and Jesus, ****The Original Spin Doctors***
Food for thought for "Christians" part 2
I love you Mr. Hitchens, you say things just right and the facts get me intellectually aroused.
The Catholic church has also been working on Anne, Mary's mom for the last number of years, saying that for Mary to have been chosen that her mom was also without original sin to have Mary be blessed. Few decades more then the grandmother and her mother and so on. Seriously Dog2son, Christopher was speaking about the Quran version of her.
Love the throwaway insult to Joseph Smith's mother at the end.
I didn’t get why he just threw that out. There are better insults than just saying Joseph Smith DIDN’T claim that.... Seemed like an easy laugh; except that Hitchens is criticizing Smith for NOT making such a claim.
Agnosticism-Atheism has far better arguments than just throwing an insincere jab at someone for spite. It doesn’t erode the stereotype of Atheists being bitter, mean-spirited, and joyless.
@@williamweigt7632 Joseph smith was a evil a pervert two - bit hustler . Had up to 40 wives youngest age 13 and with all these wives no virgin birth and that no joke. Joseph smith was shot a killed by a mob in carthage llinois 1844.
it was either lie or get stoned to death.
So this Jesus dude took the god Horus's job ? It's like hand-me-down robes from virgin mothers !!! Ha ha ha ha ha XD
As miraculous as it seems, it is even more miraculous that today so many people are delivered from their sinful and wicked way, by the power of the same spirit. He gave me a new life, I have no difficulty trusting HIM for everything!!!
Why even talk about god. It's just silly it's like me trying to tell u there is a Santa Claus.
Not talking about God is like not talking about your parents.
@prophetto atheists No it’s like not talking about fairies and leprechauns.
Not so. It is like talking about your father but your fatherbeing in a state of perfect love.
Yes, why are you even talking about god? Why even claim that you are an atheist if you do? Do you claim to be aSantaClaus?
No one get murdered cause they believe in the wrong winter holiday mascot
why are people saying rest in peace to a man who didn't believe in an afterlife?
The consequence of unbelief makes this life everything, with 90+ years of inexplicable joy to put all your eggs in this basket. Faith brings you eternal life with a perfect body in a place that is incomprehensible. God loves us either way, but it's our choice.
Krishna was the eighth born son of Devaki. Nowhere does it say that Krishna is of virgin birth.
The real question I would like answered is if the atheists/agnostics get their way, will they be able to live in the world they create? Remove the restraints on people that religion provides and will they be free or in bondage?
The real question is why you imagine that nonbelievers don't exercise self-restraint. Are you so deluded by opposing people's freedom to choose what they believe that you really think heathens and infidels have no morality whatsoever?
I don't see anything morally contemptible with masturbation. And I never heard a single profound objection to it.
If there was, there would long since be a law that punishes this behaviour, yet, the only ones who actually think it's immoral are sexually repressed christians, virgins, priests, that whole bag.
There also is nothing reproachable about not being a heterosexual. If you contest this assumption, this discussion is over.
Whomever was arguing with you about masturbation 5 five years ago was made of lego because you have thoroughly disassembled him with logical and eloquent arguments with a pinch of compassion
I find it hard to pay attention to what he's saying because I keep feeling the urge to reach out and straighten his glasses.
There were loads of your girls who lied, yet it is only Christ who is the greatest man of all time, as millions would testify. His power and mercy will meet you where you are, His love and grace is far greeter then anything else
Nothing escapes the power of Chris's wit and deduction
I mean if anyone was ever imaculately conceived.. it would be Chris.. his mother is Jewish you know.
@@toast2610 that's a quiet one to smile about cheers
if you have studied the text, then you know there are divergent stories as to the birth of Krishna, and one of them is of his mother being a virgin.
Do you believe that it is possible that everything you think you know is wrong?
How can Jesus be a 'Son of David', Joseph, and also the 'Son of God'. It seems that Jesus' godliness evolved over the years.
I'm at total peace and I have no master but myself. What's your point? Feeling that you're subjugated has no bearing on whether what you believe is true. Ever read 1984? Did Big Brother suddenly start existing when Winston fell on his knees at the end?
@tetherson So what? The problem is not just that Jesus was allegedly born or a virgin, or born without sin, or that Mary's conception was immaculate. The problem is the concept of Original Sin.The notion that anyone is "born in sin," or "born a sinner" because of something a mythological couple did 6,000 years ago, requiring a Jesus to born born sinless so that he could die for all our sins, especially the one we had nothing to do with, that were a mere accident of birth, is simply abhorrent.
So, because of the new testament, The new law was Love. To love one another. He respected women, held them in high esteem, example, the prostitude, He could've agreed with the crowd to kill her accordint to the old testament, but he didn't. His new testament teaching said "whoever is perfect among you all, Go ahead & kill her. Such powerful teaching that they all walked away. That's the power of what Jesus (was) & is all about. That's all folks. It's not that complicated. Just give love (Cont)
I was blocked yesterday to look like I couldn't handle the comments made against my post. Intolerant??
In a letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams on April 11th, 1823.
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." Thomas Jefferson
Josh McDowell's comments Part 3 "Dr. Thomas Thorburn comments appropriately:
All these various stories of supernatural conceptions and births, which we meet with in folklore and the history of mythology, have this one point in common -they serve to point not so much to the similarity as to the complete contrast and dissimilarity which exists between the Christian birth story and the tales which are current in various pagan circles. 78/158."
Virgin decan is Aug 23 - Sept 2,...time of M Teresa birth and Pasqalina Lehnert,...Virgin decan video on my channel shows even the I-Ching knows Virgin decan and the hexagram descriptor is the most likely source for all the religious attention to that time. The church changed the Feast of the Queenship of Mary to Aug 22.
And mine.
slight correction...
They would have been the pioneers of natural philosophy. The term science came much much later than the ancient greeks.
I always wondered how he had a brother James if she was a virgin and Jesus was the only "immaculate conception" 🤔🧐
That does not mean to say that you would not be cared for.
Krishna wasn't "born" to a virgin Deviki. He materialised.
And she had 7 kids before him. She was married and wasn't a virgin.
Just a correction.
Rom 3:23-For all have sinned & fallen short of the glory of God; Rom. 6:23-For the wages of sin is deathl but the gife of God is EVER- LASTING LIFE through Jesus Christ. our Lord. Act 3:19-"Repent you, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out.; Rom 5:8- But God commendeth His Love towards us in that , while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.