As if what Hitch says has merit, you shallow person, you. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block You look like the shallow one from where I’m standing. How many times must science disprove religious texts that were once considered historical now the perpetual self-justification has led the religious to say they’re only metaphors now? How is it not painfully obvious to you; that you are your religion because of where and when you were born, who you were born to, the the circumstances that were thrust upon you by life? And thus any god that would judge you at the end of your life would have to be a ridiculous and cynical if not sadistic deity? Use your fucking head, sheep. Your shepherd is leading you down the wrong path. It’s 2021, the internet has been around for decades. The information is out there, there’s no excuse for being religious in a first-world country these days. This life is all we have. Be glad you weren’t actually born a lamb and stop acting like one.
@@vrrrrrr-uwu for laughs, copy and paste any of your excess gas from your behind that actually got around what I wrote on faith and creation. Or, just keep on running from it because you're an empty person.
@@2fast2block Do you even hear yourself? All the logical fallacies, you are too indoctrinated to function. Also, to call people shallow is the epitome of irony: says the believer of noahs ark, resurrections, miracles, messiahs, talking snakes etc. You're a petulant cult apocalyptic member.
+Christopher Hitchens Either Christopher Hitchens is walking the streets now and commenting on UA-cam while he died in 2011, or I am under a severe misapprehension.
That's not true, online you may not change the mind of a terminally religious person you don't know how many people lurking have had their minds changed by your interaction with the religious person.
Jesus first coming was prophecied 700 years before he walked the earth. Read the end of Isaiah 52 and the entirety of Isaiah 53 and tell me who this passage is speaking of?
@@aurelian771 You can't use the bible to prove Jesus or Christianity that's circular logic, the bible is part of the claim for Christianity it isn't the evidence for it. It's certainly not an extant reliable historical document either.
The problem with religious apologists is that they're used to being authoritarian and 'debating' with children. When they try their schtick with an intelligent adult, this is the result.
@@kevingolden4683 you're absolutely right. Hitchens didn't believe in god, like you don't believe in rainbow farting unicorns. It's a lack of faith and belief. He only understands and accepts reality.
@@Drp_br_ maybe if you write in complete sentences people can respond. Try addressing something i said and see if i can comment further. That'd be a good start.
will crow You know, Hitchens dose not know what he’s talking about, and yes, you’ll defend the rotting man. But I’m so sick and tired of hear that science can debunk religion when first off, it can’t, and secondly, it can’t prove that God exists. It can’t prove or disprove. And Christianity, Judaism and Islam are religion with historical evidence of Jesus and his resurrection. I’m an open minded atheist. And I hate people like Hitchens who are completely ignorant fucks and same with his fans. He says that it’s emotional encouraging of faith, yet, if there is evidence that’s reasonable to have faith in it. Hitchens has faith in his words just like people like you have faith in a man who has no idea on what he is on about, sayonara, Bitch! 🖕🏼
@@Drp_br_ do try to control yourself. Rambling diatribes aren't civil discourse and they rarely inform or inspire. Hitchens doesn't claim to be able to prove the 'non existence' of god. And you do your argument no favors by pretending there is historical evidence of Christ having ever existed. i've done nothing to deserve your insults and emotional attacks so i hope you'll get help and have a better day.
will crow bro, don’t believe me? Look it up yourself Twat? And I’m just sick an tired of this man and others not knowing what they are saying and insulting people’s beliefs. It’s retarded.
@@filmeseverin You, like most theists: *I don't know, therefore god.* Show your evidences, have them peer reviewed, before you shamelessly call them "the truth".
@@echandirohrmoser1931 ... peer reviewed? Regarding the Creator, *science will always be just what the cups can think to understand the man who made them.* This is the comparison used by God to make us understand our limitations (the HUGE difference between us and Divinity). That is why we will never have mind capabilities to understand how God (the Creator) has come into existence. By the way, Christians have made the biggest advance in science (from Newton to Nikola Tesla, there were many hundreds of famous Christians scientists, as you can see in the "List of Christians in science and technology" on Wikipedia. Have in mind that it is an incomplete list, many Christians scientists not being mentioned there, as an example Emil Palade was an Orthodox Christian who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine). Regarding the real geniuses, when Einstein was asked how it felt to be the smartest man on Earth, Einstein replied, "I wouldn't know. Ask Nikola Tesla". The greatest inventor of all times, Nikola Tesla, was a Christian and he said: _"The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power."_ I was, also, an atheist. Read below, explained in details, how I became a believer (a Christian): It happened in the first year as a college student. I was an atheist at that time and before, but when I made my girlfriend (actual wife) cry, due to a contradictory discussion about God, loving her very much, I ASKED TO GIVE ME A SIGN TO BELIEVE, addressing this from all my soul and from all my heart (it was like "God, if you exist, give me a sign to believe in you"), then, in few days, when I had already forgotten about my demand, I had the vision (please forgive my English, while it is not my native language): I was like teleported outdoors in complete dark, feeling the wind blowing slowly, and while worrying where I am, and how could be possible such phenomenon, a sphere of light came slowly from the left (later I realized that it came from the house in which I was born, the house of my grandfather, who was a priest, being dead at that moment), and faster while approaching of me, when I was able to recognize the exact place where I was, due to the reflection of light on the houses on one side and another of the road, being in the middle of the street, quite close to the house where I was born (in a small village). The sphere of light was very bright (the whitest white), diffusing lightly on edges, and in the moment when it touched me, it became like an usual white, decreasing its brightness, as (like) it was defiled by me. When that sphere of light was coming, I remembered my demand (my words: TO GIVE ME A SIGN TO BELIEVE), and I realized that I can do nothing to escape from that situation (I felt that we people are very small and weak, infinitely more than we realize, against what exists beyond us). All the time, being inside that light I felt it more like a fluid (it was not an usual light). After few moments, surrounded by that sphere of light (due to my emotions that have risen dramatically, I was standing up on my toes), I felt it going slowly up, tilting my head up, very kindly, by two very gentle hands (like angelic hands), then going very fast into the sky, like a column of light, remaining looking at the dark night sky filled with stars, IN A COMPLETE SILENCE (that I never experienced). I say "complete silence" because before that moment it was like in this world, with a permanent almost imperceptible background noise, but then the complete silence made me feel out of this world, like I was dead, and I thought that I will hear some words, but no words and I came very abruptly into our usual reality with my heart beating incredible hard, like outside of my body, and the first thing I said was: "Thank You for bringing me back!", then I made my first sacrament (oath) from my entire life: "I will tell to all people whom I find not believing in God that GOD EXISTS AND TO THINK MORE ABOUT THIS!".
@@filmeseverin 1st. Your personal experiences can't and certainly won't be taken as an objective evidence. You must be very but very special then, your god ignored hundreds of millions if not billions prayers during the Holocaust, and still ignores millions each day! But he took the time to take care of your personal request. People who believe in other gods also have their "unexplainable" experiences regarding the god they worship, are they hallucinating? Or their experiences are just as real as yours? How arrogant must you be to believe only yours are real? If their experiences are just as real as yours, then your "only true god" statement collapses as an house of cards. You said, "I was an atheist, then I became an believer once again". I can only say: *You have never been an atheist.* We all born believing in NO god. Then someone (primary our families) inculcate us to believe in the god they were also inculcated to believe. Some of us find out the BS behind those bronze era fairy tales and ceased to believe. So, when you say: I was an atheist. Then I became a believer. You are saying: I was born believing no bs, later somebody told me a bunch of bs and made me believe in them, I found they were just made up stories and stopped to believe in them. But finally I realized I was wrong, and once again I believe in the stories I previously realized as bs...
@@echandirohrmoser1931 The Bible mentions clearly that Satan is the god of this world (for example in Corinthians). Therefore, all stupidity=evilness, respectively all the useless suffering etc. and immorality/promiscuity are caused and maintained by the fallen angels, ruled by Satan. We still can live and even be happy sometimes, in this short earthly life, because of God's mercy and love for us, which keeps some limitations for the fallen angels, otherwise Apocalypse will happen. The fallen angels want to destroy us since our conception (actually, all the time in any way possible), because of their hatred for God. That is why they make us suffer, as much as possible, by using our stupidity and the stupidity of the other people around us. Most unbelievers do not know the "Parable of the weeds". The fallen angels have created all the evil living things such as: parasites, viruses, bad bacteria ..., besides all insects and animals that kill other insects or animals, also the bad instincts in humans (the reptilian brain), by altering our DNA (since the "apple" event mentioned in the Bible). Initially all insects, animals etc. were feeding only with plants (plants products, such as fruits, nectar, seeds etc.). Humans had to continue living after betraying the Creator, by listening to His enemy, Satan, who is actually the god of this world, in a Creation corrupted by the fallen angels, after the Creator "has abandoned" this planet to let us see how evil, humans without God/Jesus, can be. We see this everyday and suffer the bad consequences of the stupid=evil people's deeds, tools of Satan. The fallen angels, being sadistic, have altered the DNA of most living things (including us) to do as default both: reproduce uncontrollably (as much as they can) and fight (kill) each other. They love to see living things suffering, especially human beings suffering. The truth has been told to you. However, you are free to go ahead denying the fact that God/Jesus is real (it is your choice). *_"If God wanted to, they could all be believers."_* You have free will, that you could always strive to use only for good (this being all what our Creator asks from us). All the best! In addition, it may help you to watch entirely: "NDE- ATHEIST PROFESSOR (Berkeley Grad) dies, sees HELL! Best testimony EVER! Howard Storm Interview". "Gavril Barnut dead 13 hours - Saw hell & Heaven!" "Man Sees Unthinkable Horrors in Hell - Christians Being Tortured! (Mario Martinez)".
@@zargle5924 Franks says singularity is a miracle. That is, if something happens once, it's a miracle. This message to you is only happening once. It's a singular event. No other message has existed or will exist at exactly this time with these words. Is it a miracle? No, it's just a rather banile message. It's a singularity, not a miracle.
Actually it is a first and following die to cause thing doctrinally, he got that wrong. He also suggested that a strong case would mean nothing to him that shows a great deal of bias in an irrational way. Too bad the other guy shouted.
That Christian was angry, and understandably so. He had no chance of sounding anywhere near rational by screaming like a madman. No wonder so many were laughing at him, lol.
@MichaelKingsfordGray What does my name have to do with this conversation? Frank Turek and William Lane Craig (if that's who you thought this was) are famous people. I'm not. I don't want to use my own name when talking to strangers.
I love that last line of "There's an obvious difference in between a singularity and a miracle and it would be patronizing to the audience to explain it"...this is why Hitch was great. He gives the audience more credit than they probably deserve, charming them with his wit and building them up of "I know you are all smarter than this argument this guy is giving you".
@@cinesanti7 yeah. Normal people want comfort not truth. Because they are too weak to handle it. That's why they invented religion. To comfort themselves. I believe Hitchen was a very strong man
The Christian in this video says that religion is trying to find out the origin of everything. This is a false statement. Religion already assumes that it has knowledge of the origin of everything. That is the problem.
Religion claims to have the answers already, leatheljamie. They have answers because their book said a certain thing or they have had "experiences." These things do not qualify as evidence. You cannot go into court, for example, with a "strong gut feeling" that your neighbor is the one who flattened your tires. You have to produce the evidence.
@John Carboni Joseph smith, scientology, Islam extremists....That's you. ...You believe someone talked to a god... Just like them... You are the same people.. You are why Waco Texas happened.. You are why 911 happened.. Your why the Inca were genocided... You help moleste children.. So you can be less afraid of death and Feel like you have a purpose.... Faith is very real and powerful..imagine what you could do if you had Faith in yourself instead of your king of kings.
@@techsysengineer5135 So are we all. Read the Book of Ecclesiastes. We all die and should eat, drink and be merry while we’re alive. Jesus didn’t mention Heaven very often. It was just fine and could take care of itself. It’s here ON EARTH where the problems are. Salvation is about transformation in THIS life. It has nothing to do with living after death--at least in Jesus’ day, it didn’t.
+Cojocaru Claudiu It's a good quote - even if the 'miracles' happened, it still wouldn't prove that Jesus was divine, or that his teachings were moral.
+Cojocaru Claudiu That was beautiful, wasn't it? In a world of miracles, the believers often seem to be the ones without them in their lives. It is sad. We need to educate people and ensure that they do not accept what has been "given to them by god", which is often a shit hand.
The dude needs to argue his points.....it's his living.....it pays the bills and puts food on his table.....to admit he is wrong changes everything in his life. I am glad that I had the opportunity to choose without repercussions.....no more myth believing for me!
See, the issue here - as with all theological debates when it theology Vs logic... Is there is no logic to faith. Anyone remember playing armies when you were a kid - and you had got you S.A.W. (A.K.A a stick) and you shot an enemy with it. You literally stood at point blank range and filled them with so much lead - they actually had small planets begin orbiting their increased mass... And they would say the inevitably boring and long winded bullshit "say you missed" Even as a kid you though "bullshit!" And you would say "no - I didn't" "Yeah, bit say you missed." "No. I did not..." You get the picture. Religion is that kid.
RiddickTheKiller Matt D. is also very good and I watch him often. You have a good point and it's a shame he's not as famous and respected around the world as a world traveled journalist like C. Hitchens was. They both had every part of the bible memorised and studied history of religions and philosophy in depth. I stand corrected but my comment stands as far as debates go. :)
Joseph Nordenbrock He's nothing more than a babbling bore who keeps lying about whether or not he ever went to seminary. If I wanted to hear a windbag drone on about how little he actually knows, I'd listen to the State of the Union.
Kakure Possenti That sounds like something a drunk in a bar would say just to get me riled up or keep a childish argument going. Don't hold your breath waiting for my next reply.
“The gospels tell us that at the time of the crucifixion all the graves in Jerusalem opened and their occupants wander around the street to greet…so it seems that the resurrection was something of a banality of the time”… Those lines floored me with laughter 😆this man was not only an amazing brilliant orator and beautiful intellect, but his rebuttals were majestic and on point.
I really miss this chap. In a way, I almost wish he had been wrong. I would like to think I could meet him in an afterlife - if not only for the conversation.
Almost wish he HAD been wrong? Priceless!!!! He was, and IS completely wrong!!! Perfect textbook example of an Intellectual IDIOT! Poor, poor man! Sad really.
What I hate about these Religious debaters is that, People like Hitchens and Dawkins actually study the religious texts and cultures so that they can back up their arguments, and relate to the opponent in a way that they understand, religious people dont research science at all they just blab on with disregard and ignorance.
You see the thing is, a science-based approach requires you to consider, test and finally or accept or reject propositions/hypotheses/arguments on their merits. You are, by definition, REQUIRED to understand and consider the opposing view. Religion apologists come from a place where they believe that the text they get their arguments from is inspired (or even dictated) by a supernatural force, with agency, that created the universe. This leads them to believe their position is superior because by THEIR definition, their information is perfect. The vast difference in quality between the two becomes evident as soon as one applies reasonable standards of evidence.
"Infinitely expanding tautology" that sums it up pretty well. I'm looking forward to discovering actual aliens, and watching how religious people incorporate it into what they _knew_ all along.
Unless they look like us they will be called demon spawn and there will be a call from the pulpit for new crusade to save the universe from the heathen menace! (damn that's good name for a metal band)
+HooDatDonDar +David hatcher You can't be serious, it's not a cop out at all. He is simply saying that the distinction is clear and to explain the difference between an event that can only occur once (such as your birth) and a miracle would be patronising to the audience and an insult to their intelligence.
Science is logical, religion is emotional. When a scientist discovers something that proves their current belief to be wrong they think 'I've learned something new' When a religious person is faced with a similar situation they tend to act like a child who was just told Santa doesn't exist.
John Smith St. Nick is alive and well! Science can not explain most of the important issues of humanity. This is just reality. Okay, you can produce levers and clever ways to handle fire-that's about it. Tell me with science about love and contracts and why murder is wrong.
jamie Allen1977 The monopoly on morality does not belong to Christ and wherever you got this notion from it cannot match up with reality. Its part of that immutable preeminence of religion that even when a non believer holds a belief you claim it belongs to your faith. Atheists who believe murder is wrong must owe that to Christ. What arrogance and pride.
BollocksUtwat I do believe you fail to read. I say without God murder is the same as saving life. No difference. Just imaginary delusions. Try philosophies.
jamie Allen1977 I can explain this in this way, murder is not always wrong. I know that might be hard to grasp, but think of all the murders we embrace self-defense, during war, death penalty. Scientifically why is unjustified murder wrong is the question you ask, and the reason for that is because we humans are primates that form social groups. We must trust other members in our social group for hunting, defending and raising young etc. This is why it is plausible that humans would evolve and pass on traits where we cooperate one another. The question on love is a little more difficult, but it probably relates to our extremely long time of being helpless when were young in our species. Humans I believe have the longest child rearing time before the young can survive on their own than any other species. This explains why we would evolve to form lasting bonds (love) where the humans that paired and stuck together would be more likely to survive and pass on their genes. I believe they are now beginning to hypothesized that early human children were raised by groups of mothers who sort of had an early child care system. Do counter your question with a question if we are formed by a God and made to have certain traits as you imply, than why can humans not survive solitary confinement. Why are humans hardwired to be social and can not tolerate total isolation?
litcguitarist Self Defense War Death Penatly : These are not murders. And of course you would say murder isn't always wrong. You are in love with death-of course, atheists almost always are. I bet you love abortion and what eugenics. (Lasting bonds = love?) Sure sure. So gravity loves me. Nice to know! (That's a bond sure to last and last and last)
I've seen so many of these clips dozens and dozens of times...and every time they are just as entertaining and insightful as the first time...or the second...or third. The Hitch will be missed.
I've hardly ever seen someone as good as Hitch, at the speed he has when painting his opponent into a corner, usually by using his opponents on words in doing so.
@@JHsillypantsMcGee A singular event is a unique event. Something that will never be recreated. Me leaving this comment here at this specific time is a singular event in the sense that I can never do it again. This specific time has passed. From this perspective every event is a singular event, but obviously there are singular events that are more improbable than others. Out of the billions of spermatozoa that were unleashed only one resulted in your birth. This specific one being the one is one in a trillion chance, but out of the trillions spermatozoa that were created, one would do the job anyway. So no physical laws were broken. A miracle is a suspension of physical laws, as in instead of the one in a trillion spermatozoa that made it creating a godzilla instead of a human.
Thanassis Stavropoulos that sounded like a whole bunch of equivocation my friend. For a God who created and sustains all things in an orderly manner (might I add that you betray your own worldview by relying on the uniformity of nature) it would be perfectly within His ability to suspend that for a moment. In a random chance universe of “singularity” events, you presuppose uniformity when making scientific inferences or driving down the road. By nature you are hardwired to know that all things are held in an orderly fashion, you innately know right and wrong, the separation is that you suppress the knowledge of God because it makes one accountable.
Gus Jackson I'm not claiming that you're stating this as a counter argument against religion but I'd just like to point out that discomfort and agitation does not equate as a debunk towards Christianity. Going to the dentist can be very discomforting and agitating. If we use the logic that discomfort and agitation is enough to justify not doing something then we would never go to the dentist (which is obviously a bad thing especially when you need to go). Again, not claiming that that's your point. I just want to make sure you don't think that because that's obviously a fallacy.
@@appledough3843 Gus wasn't trying to debunk anything. He was just making a statement based on an observation he made. And I'm sorry but you cannot equate going to the dentist with a superstitious conviction. Willfully taking on a religious affiliation and feeling discomforted by it, is not the same as feeling discomfort when having to seek professional medical assistance for a healthy oral cavity.
I am actually gutted & tearful that I only found Christopher at the end of his life. RIP. How I wish you were here. I'm so sorry for your family & friends. :(
@@DuckInGameStop I get your point and I understand you. However I experienced this only from women and therefore I made this example. How can the truth be sexist?
@LORD G Kaiser Yes Lord G Kaiser, I understand the principles. But I don't believe in any science that claims to understand the nature of existence. The most humble and honest physicists will admit that theirs are only theory. Their objective facts are constantly changing as new technology is made available. And mate, Hitchens did not offer anything than what's been said before.
@LORD G Kaiser You are going to learn upon your death that your information is wrong. The proof of God exists within your thinking. I believe that you know right from wrong. That isn't by accident. You have a desire to accept abnormality as normal. The policy that you believe in will end the western cultures. This isn't my first rodeo with people of your mentality. I don't have time for it. It's meaningless noise.
@Raj Iyer If your religion actually instructed you to use your brains and learn, then you wouldn't be religious. You are looking for something called confirmation bias.
@Raj Iyer that's quite a warped perception of reality you have. If you say there is no God, then you must think you are God. Are you my God? Are you the God of this Earth?
The other guy lost already when he first opened his mouth because he felt it necessary to shout to Hitchens instead of speaking civilized. Note how he keeps calling Christopher by name also, which (to me anyway) is another sign of a weak debater. Hitchens keeps remarkably calm. A great man indeed.
Do you know the math for that? I got the word of it from an atheist as I understand it so go ahead and check whether it should count as a miracle or not.
@@williamturner6192 The chance of your sperm meeting that egg and producing you is anywhere from one in fifteen million to one in two hundred million. The same for both of your parents. Thus, the mere chance of your grandparents leading to you is anywhere from one in two-hundred and twenty-five thousand billion; that is 225x10^12 at the minimum. That is multiplied again and again for every generation you go back. You are mathematically so unlikely as to be functionally impossible. It would be like flipping a coin forty-eight times in a row and getting heads every time just to get from you to your grandparents; a regress that goes back into a spiral of increasingly less likely chances. Yet here you are. Does that make you a miracle? Does that make every person you see a miracle? The result of direct divine intervention and the temporary cessation of natural laws to allow for it? No, it doesn't. Unlikely isn't the same as impossible. Something that happened once is very different from something that cannot happen. An infinitely small number is still infinitely larger than zero.
@@williamturner6192 It appears "Dragoderian" just "Miracle Whipped" you. Allow me, to explain.....The odds of one being "Miracle Whipped", followed, by an infinitely stupid rhetort......what was the question?
William Turner I’m not claiming knowledge of event, religion, on the other hand, is claiming knowledge. As for current knowledge, it’s a matter of time before we find out. In less than 500 years we went from believing in witches to putting humans on the moon. The progress of Science can’t be stopped as long as humans remain curious. We don’t know now, but we’ll find out, it could be tomorrow, it could be 10 years later or in the next century, but it will happen. As for the difference between miracle and singularity, Dragoderian has given an excellent example.
@@Dragoderian You forgot to mention that there is about 15 million sperm cells in a single ejaculation as well so your math is incorrect. You are talking about the odds of a specific sperm reaching the egg, not the odds of becoming pregnant.
Hitch is best not remembered. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
No, there are many clueless people like Hitch. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
True, there is no one around quite like Christopher Hitchens. Have you listened to any Matt Dillahunty debates? Incredible, intelligent mind and debater. Maybe one the the greatest debaters ever, in my opinion.
I think the way he sits there and calmly debates the topics and the other guy just has temper tantrums every time he says something... I think that says it all.
@@aaronchandler2380 well, his practice does require _absolute obedience_ not exactly the kind of environment that can handle a witty dude saying "you're full of shit".
Hitch's beliefs and rejection of evidence say it all. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block You are evidence of what Luke said as well...you petulant apocalyptic cult member. You have the mentality of Iron Age Middle Eastern goat-herders who didn't even know earth orbited the sun: contemplate that..just notice how backward and primitive your psychotic beliefs are.
@@2fast2block your comment is incredible in its demonstrable lack of scientific understanding. you know just enough to get yourself in semantic trouble. SMH
I only started listening to Christopher Hitchens a couple of years ago and I wish I had known of him alot sooner. Absolutely brilliant mind and nobody could phrase an argument or pose a question more eloquently than himself with comedy mixed in no less. I want to commit everything he has ever said to memory haha!
I have just discovered him 3 weeks ago and I'm so sad he's dead. "Thank god" (lol!) for technology so we can listen over over again to the things he said.
@@poozer1986 Yes indeed Christopher! for as long as there are free-thinkers willing to shed the slavery, chains and poison of religion, thy wisdom, wit and logic shall be there in words and practice. Cheers 🥃🥃to enlightenment! tis tumblers of JWB I drink in your name.
I like to think of myself of a rather witty and well spoken person and I believe I m rather good a debating others on things that I know even a little bit on.. but Hitchens.... this is a fucking art. And it looks so effortless when he s doing it
Experts say, it is so the inside can cook as easily as the outside though some believe it is so the factory workers could play with them in their lunch break lol
+Marc Kael Well that is the fun of debating with humans. You can counter any irrational statement on any subject just by being trained to think rationally and by being able to verbally express it well. That is why the intellectuals like it so much, it is like a grindstone for a sword. Something to sharpen your wits on. Hitchens even romanticized the debate on religion. Because it is the thing you always have to be arguing against. Therefor the outcome is already determined. The entire goal, his at least, is to get more refined in combating the argument. A craftsman trying to perfect the art of his work. That's what he was really.
If evidence were found tomorrow that proved the Christian god created the universe, practically all atheists would become Christians in a heartbeat. If evidence were found tomorrow that proved the Christian god did not exist, most Christians would ignore that evidence and continue believing anyway. Like all religions, Christianity forces its followers to deny and disregard all other data except its own.
You better have a notepad in front of this guy. Everything Christopher did and spoke was in his mind....nothing needed to be written down for a debate. Spectacular!
I am so grateful for these uploads of Hitchens, who was an erudite man with common sense who effectively addressed the fantastical stories, ideologies, and rhetoric spawned by the promoters of religion.
Jon Ellis 'the end of religion is near' You mean to say that religion is exploding upon the planet and nearly all people on Earth believe in God in some sort or another. I am sure that is what you meant to say. NOt slowing down a bit, but gaining speed.
***** Where? In China? Where Christianity Grows daily, rapidly? Where? In India where Islam and Budhhism and Christianity Grows Daily? Where? In The Middle East? Where Islam and Christianity Grow Daily? Where In Africa? Religion is growing rapidly around the world. Where? South America? Christianity Grows Rapidly on that Continent. Where? Where Is there not religion growin? You mean to say around you? Are you so sure? You mean Europe. Not where most people who actually are ALIVE and LIVING. You mean to say Christianity is shifting the focus again. Israel to Europe to America To the Orient. You mean to say that Christ is currently being received in the Orient like never before. (That is where MOST PEOPLE ACTUALLY ARE ALIVE AND LIVING) You have a very NARROW eye about reality.
Nuhhh, *snore* that's pascal's wager *snore* uhhhmm *snore* now you're using the circular reasoning fallacy, *snore* There you go, it's now literal, I wrote about it, even if never happened, it was written about, so therefore it is now literal.
While I disagreed with Hitchens on things, he was absolutely devastating when it came to religious matters. His logic sliced finer than any Occam’s razor. He is missed terribly.
Adolf hitler was renowned for his charisma and almost entrancing discourses ' becoming entranced with intellectual charm is erroneous and a strong form of idolatry '' we must take into consideration his militant passive aggressive assault on the spiritual and divine ' a true arsoner of other dimensions in arrogant fashion '
@@davidmack5689 ah yes, the obligatory Hitler comparison. The inability of people such as yourself to differentiate between dogmatic, charismatic speech and convincing logical argumentation is what allows people like Hitler to become popular.
Rod K I mean, he started out with “I have two responses” and then barely got through the first. What would the religious say before DNA is a great point, because the question is basically a god of the gaps assertion.
I have several of his books and admire his intellectual ability, but Hitch could and did dish it out as well, often interrupting his opponent. The only way to even have a chance at competing against Hitch was to immediately challenge him..as he did to his opponent all the time. He could be very condescending.
Hitchens is a nobody just like all the foolish men who have tried to defy God. Nobody will know or remember Hitchens because he has disappeared into foolishness...but the name of Jesus will stand forever. It's already prophesied....these people don't even understand.
I think this is my favorite of all the Hitchens debates. Turek comes off as so frustrated and Hitch is just so relaxed in his pontificating stripping down everything Turek says.
Leftist/marxist scribes master the art of denunciation rather well, it's mostly all they have. Hitch gave up on "capitalist" critique, and went at religion which by the 1990s was just low hanging fruit. It's generally Americans who are in awe of him. And why not. Something's better than nothing.
you will not miss him forever , as if you believe him you will not have forever , if you don't miss him you will have forever . he was a c**t keeping you from your maker and giving you destruction and eternal death , he was a wicked old goat.
@@heighwaysonthewing lol. When you die nobodys gonna see you and you wont see anybody 😂 your d ik ne for a world of blind faith and worship to a "god" wich is fictional just wasted your life for what. For blind faith. Fuck that
@@heighwaysonthewing wow. What a lovely person religion has made you. Calling someone a cunt is very Christian. Kudos for showing us exactly what Christopher meant by saying "religion poisons everything"
Chuck, most individuals from 2000 years ago never "left evidence that they ever existed". Has Hitchens ever proved what he claimed to be true? Short answer is, no. Long answer is, aside from his criticisms of prevailing constructs (like religion here), he only expressed the likeliness of his claims being true-er.
Jazzkeyboardist1 hey. Do you take his words offensive cause your a beliver in religion and you keep talking this way against him after hes dead? I thought one should show respect for the dead?
(All the graves of Jerusalem opened and their occupants wandered the streets...) It seems to me a resurrection was something of a banality at the time. Lol Christopher simply nailed it.
@@ianp3112 is this assumption based on your limited knowledge? Don't you think it's somewhat foolish to make such a statement based on what you are able to know as a man?....considering the vast amount of information we do not yet know ....as humans. Babies have a tendency to believe that when a parent leaves the room they no longer exist. The assumption that they are gone because they no longer see them. Consider the knowledge of the parent in relation to the baby. The knowledge of vast experiences, the earth, the universe, etc. That the baby has no idea or possible concept of. The baby has this belief...
@@themoroccanangel Your analogy is flawed but whatever. I see the point you are trying to make. Lack of scientific knowledge over a specific subject does not allow for a fairy tale or magical explanation to fill in the void.
@@jime3281 My analogy is not flawed. Your thinking and reasoning is flawed ...you are the one who believes that the One who created you is a magical fairy tale, and that your lack of limited scientific knowledge somehow validates that a CREATOR doesn't exist. This is utter foolishness. ...like the belief of a baby...but worse! Many years ago, no one living had any idea of the presence of a "black hole" or other planets that existed in the universe...does this mean for them that it didn't exist? This is foolishness. There is a reason you walk in darkness while millions of others know the truth of HIS existence.
Hitch was an empty person just like you are for calling him a legend. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block No he just called you out on your ridiculous bullshit. Most people's imaginary friend disappears in childhood. The Irony is, that he was a much more well read person than you will ever be. Another irony is most atheists know the bible (or relevant book/doctrine) better that most christians/relevant brainwashing religion. Very "christian" to start off with an insult. Oh and by the way, the definition of Faith is "a belief of something of which there is no evidence".
@tony Schaapman What a delightful person you sound. So full of hatred and vitriol. Quite ironic really. There is absolutely no evidence of ANY god whatsoever (check the definition of faith again) none of the 4000+ "gods" that have been claimed throughout history. none, nada, zero, zilch. And if you think there is you need a mental health assessment
@@kdlofty UA-cam's gone down the drain, it isn't even showing many comments anymore. I hope you can see the comments of the person you're replying to, it isn't showing here.
@@2fast2block Only shallow people follow Hitchens? Einstein had very similar views, as did Stephen Hawking. If they're "shallow", you probably should re-evaluate your definition of the word.
Jeez Hitch. Shows up at the debate looking like death warmed over. A disheveled comb-over straight out of Flock of Seagulls or Kingpin, yet he still has the wherewithal to cite and quote the works of scientists and scholars at whim with graceful elocution. This guy was the personification of a "functional alcoholic".
who wouldn't want to drink when dealing with frustrating religious apologists and dogmatic Religion. Also, you know what they say "When you're drunk the truth comes out"
I carry his torch wherever I roam.I have been accused of being mean,uncaring,soulless.I can only appreciate his courage even more knowing the sheer ignorance he put up with.
It is erroneous to become entranced with intellectual charm without succumbing as hypnotized person would to nonsense ' The valuable issue made is that Freedom of choice is paramount free from any oppression including atheistic manipulation through false gnosis and ideology ''Hitchens charming dislike for religion and fascination with evidence does not make him right ' he offered no alternative so his beech follower Hawkins preached evolutionary theory ' evolution is a fact but stands outside of proof of existence ''' man did not evolve from the chimpanzee and a giraffe can not become a hippopotamus ' why ? Because the genome DNA chromosome. Expression is an individual expression '' recently human relics were found proving that human beings had not altered in 200 000 years and simultaneously historians have conceded that the old testament is an accurate historical documentation ' Hitchens refusing to be bullied into religious surrender is admirable yet the rest of the Dawkins extended discourses have ironically proven to be. Supposition and not fact ' '
@@cinesanti7I’m sure he was hoping that the medical science would work in his favor. Please don’t misconstrue that for wishing for a “miracle” because it’s not.
@@bK2pa Religions are called "faiths" collectively because it's a belief in something in the absence of evidence. That's why it's called "faith" and not "fact".
@@arnoldfernandes2672 Christians believe the bible. Christianity is as much horseshit as the rest of the them are. Just more fairy tales...and blind faith. The mindset of "It's true because I believe it is".
"Funny how the religious guy gets so angry...." So you don't get angry that dumbass Hitch had NO science to give how DNA could have come about by chance. He just word farted and that kept his fellow dumbass followers calm because as long as Hitch gives a word fart or a real fart, it's all good enough for them in their comfy group of dumbasses.
He talked a lot of shit, and supported the worst domestic and foreign policies of our times, with the notable exception of his unusually conservative and praiseworthy stance against abortion - credit where it is due. But he struck me as a well educated man who had knowledge without wisdom.
@@cinesanti7 "I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days" How? Were you close to him? Did he tell you that??? Stupid comment ahahahahahah!
This Great Man's legacy in exposing the Myths of organised religion (of whatever stripe) is fully assured. A Human Inspiration. End Of. Thank You, Mr Hitchens.
Shut up. He was a dingbat. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only dingbats follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block Your insults, as unChristian as they are, are unnecessary. If you have a point to make, then doesn't it make more sense to make that point in a mature way and leave the insulting aside. _"We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature can only come from a lawgiver, God"_ That's what's known as *"confirmation bias".* You're making rules that fit what you already believe. The hard part is that also need to give evidence - cold, hard evidence - that proves your rules are true. Followers of Zeus could say exactly what you've said here. In fact, followers of all three thousand different gods could say it. Your statement is just fitting square pegs into round hole to confirm what you already believed.
@@TonyEnglandUK lol 2stupid2breath can't figure out which side he's on. All he is doing is trolling. Pretty sure, according to the evidence I've gathered from reading his comments, that he has, at most, a 3rd grade education lol
@@2fast2block it hurts you so much that in every Hitchens video you come to point out your ignorant arguments to try and defend your pointless and immoral faith when even the religious authorities could not do with Hitch. You lose, boy chick, you lose. Keep it to yourself, no one need that sort of ignorance. Play me the worlds smallest violin and see if someone cares ✌️
I love that the redness of his face and slurring of words, might imply Hitchens was very closed to... "buzzed" here, and yet he speaks more eloquently than most could at the top of their game.
@@Laughy-Flaaffy i can't say- but stories about hitchen's do make it seem like unless he was sick already, he was probably having a sip of something when allowed.
Mael-Strom I agree. Like when Hitchens said "Christianity says it can explain everything." That was an illogical statement. Where did he get that from? When did Christianity say it can explain everything. Christianity is about grace. It addresses the essentials. When did it say it can explain everything?
@@appledough3843 christianity says they can explain everything. Something about this old book that's actually 66 books or something. It's all stupid, really. Now I think christians are full of shit when they preach, but for some reason, they seem to believe they have an answer for everything.
Snow Flake was there an intelligible comment there? You merely restated the question. Maybe you were looking for “The Bible claims to make sense of everything.”, which it does.
God is NOT Great! But Christopher Hitchens is, may his mellifluous voice keep educating free thinkers until the end of human extinction, I sorely miss this beautiful man everyday.
Hmmm Mr.Byron, Hitchens is great? Tell me....and where did you hear of Hitchens putting a sun in the sky, or the stars and the moon? Or maybe you think he designed the heart that beats in your ungrateful chest....you foolish man...your days are numbered...and you shall yet answer to the ONE who created you...just as the one you praise has now faced his MAKER with terror. Deception breeds on the grounds of ignorance.... You haven't even mastered the full capacity of your own brain and you arrogantly trust in the little knowledge that you have learned...only to blaspheme the ONE who gave you the sense to comprehend. At least have the decency as a man to hold your tongue in speaking of things you know little of.
I used to be religious, and I'm absolutely sure that at that time, I was not capable of comprehending CH's purity and his genius. Grateful am I now that i can btr understand such arguments. Reality, such as it is, is far better than the illusions of religion I carelessly professed.
Religion never tries to discover anything new, quite the opposite in fact. Religion preaches and demands you follow “answers” that can’t be questioned. Religion and science are not two halves of the same coin. One encourages free thought, experimentation, and evidence. The other preaches blind faith, bigotry, and authority.
turek says religion is searching for the truth but that is blatantly obviously dishonest. religion has never been at the forefront of progressive thought, it has always hindered progress. about 1000 years ago, the middle east was a haven for math and scientific progress and thought, until Islam stopped that. the so called "Dark Ages" in Europe were a direct result of christianity. the Roman Empire did not fall until after it was converted to christianity.
@@steveswangler6373 Fall of the Roman empire wasn't due to religion. Before they were Christian they were Pagan, they weren't void of religion. Try again.
@who dat boy? If you are able to pick and choose the good parts of a religious text, you obviously don't need the religious text in the first place, since you are yourself perfectly capable of morality. The argument of morality from religion is absurd at best. Unless they honestly think for instance slavery is moral.
@who dat boy? But in the end you are not choosing your morals from religion. Because if you are, what or who decides what's good and barbaric but yourself? You get your morals from a secular source and use that moral judgement to judge teachings of religion as good or bad. If not, you wouldn't know good from bad in religious texts, only if the texts describe it as such. I'd argue that a big part of morality comes from instinct or DNA, whatever you want to call it. We are a social species after all and we need other humans to better our chance of survival. That's where we get compassion from, sharing, caring for each other etc. And another part of morals, I'd argue, you get from your upbringing and culture you live in.
@@Dennis19901 hmm its easy to be led in any one direction by a simple word translation. Look up what the word slavery ment in biblical times. A servant or a bondsman, working off your dept. The bible is a crock of shit . Time the big boys started to say so.
@@Dennis19901 the morals. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Without God your left with survival of the fittest. No pardon me in that scenario.I've never seen that acted out in our world. It's always been kind looking after kind. Lately I've seen a cat push a fish back into the water. A bear save a drowning bird. A lion save a foe from other lions. This love has been in us since day dot. Without it nothing would have survived. How does a baby turtle know to get into the ocean as quick as it can. It's never seen it befor and mom isn't leeding it in. It's been hard wired 4 instinctive behavour. Sounds like programming to me. There is a superior being above us. But there is another superior being working to hide it. I gotta take my hat off to him. Hes doing a pretty good job of it too. It's not working on us all but that may be enough to cause an upset. We will never know till we know.
@@SavedbyHim Which is more likely: That we exist because the Universe is what it is, or that the Universe was built with those constrains FOR us? The second smacks of hubris. At the same time, remember that Stephen Hawking said that if the Universe is fine-tuned for anything, it's the creation of black holes. I mean, even most of EARTH is a deadly environment to a naked human without tools, so how is claiming the UNIVERSE was 'tuned' for us rational in the *slightest*??!!
@@douglasthomashayden2566 Well isn't it amazing that there is something rather than nothing. Saying that the universe ''is what it is'' is hardly a defense or explanation for our finely tuned universe or the laws of nature. We may be vulnerable in some scenarios but yet we command the planet like no other. We are in fact the most influential being to walk this planet capable of unimaginable good and unfortunately evil as well.
@@SavedbyHim Nope. The Universe IS, so it's its own evidence. Show me equivalent evidence for any 'god' you're trying to assert before claiming it's 'more' real than reality.
RIP implies you believe in an afterlife where you can RIP... 'rest in peace' ironic though that an atheist will use the term RIP in an afterlife they don't believe in. Resting he is not, given he had so many opportunities presented to him to repent.
@@zahrahusain5965 your 'opinion' that Hitchens doesn't know very much is countered by factual evidence. You may disagree with his findings, but that doesn't change his status.
Turek is literally the most horrible religious debater next to Lane Craig. The latter uses silly arguments from analogy, while the former just yells a lot due to bad reasoning.
@@2l84me8 Hitch cared little about truth. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block Hitchens cared very much about truth and exposed the flawed nature of religion itself. There is not a shred of evidence to support the bible, let alone any religious texts. It doesn’t matter what you consider faith to be biblically, because all it is praises ignorance over actual knowledge. You cannot use the bible as evidence for anything because the bible is simply a claim in written form. It has no credible evidence behind it. It is an immoral, inconsistent, and poorly written book about an angry god that encouraged incest and genocide. And lastly, religion has absolutely nothing to do with science and actually contradict one another. Science is about evidence, open discussion, open to interpretation, and is currently the best model for understanding our world. Religion is about blind faith, authority, bigotry, and refuses to change its mind.
@@2l84me8 "There is not a shred of evidence to support the bible" Says the shallow person who never got around what I wrote. Ok, you're slow, so do tell how creation happened naturally without God. Did you forget that part? No, you just can't do it.
Though i love Hitch, i must say that any well read, intelligent person has the chops to demolish the religious. after all, its not a big ask, the poor deluded bastards,lol, BUT Hitch had a style and a very dry sense of humour and irony, a way with the vernacular, very well suited to debates:)
"Irreducible complexity" is always the start of an argument from ignorance. Everything is "irreducibly complex" until someone comes along and explain how it's not.... or until you google it.
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"Do yourself and your faith the honour of saying it's faith. Don't say it's science. You won't get away with it."
Christopher Hitchens
As if what Hitch says has merit, you shallow person, you.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block You look like the shallow one from where I’m standing. How many times must science disprove religious texts that were once considered historical now the perpetual self-justification has led the religious to say they’re only metaphors now? How is it not painfully obvious to you; that you are your religion because of where and when you were born, who you were born to, the the circumstances that were thrust upon you by life? And thus any god that would judge you at the end of your life would have to be a ridiculous and cynical if not sadistic deity? Use your fucking head, sheep. Your shepherd is leading you down the wrong path. It’s 2021, the internet has been around for decades. The information is out there, there’s no excuse for being religious in a first-world country these days. This life is all we have. Be glad you weren’t actually born a lamb and stop acting like one.
Christopher at the moment wants you to not listen to him. And I do hope you realize how bad he did in this debate.
@@vrrrrrr-uwu for laughs, copy and paste any of your excess gas from your behind that actually got around what I wrote on faith and creation. Or, just keep on running from it because you're an empty person.
@@2fast2block Do you even hear yourself?
All the logical fallacies, you are too indoctrinated to function.
Also, to call people shallow is the epitome of irony: says the believer of noahs ark, resurrections, miracles, messiahs, talking snakes etc.
You're a petulant cult apocalyptic member.
When you start yelling and cutting off... you’ve already lost the argument... Christopher Hitchens was a brilliant man.
@Bob Smith have you actually watched this debate?
@Bob Smith and you still are of the opinion that Christopher Hitchens got "destroyed"?
It would be worthwhile to some degree to discuss NDEs, yes.
Although they can contradict each other.
Well, that could become a bit unpredictable...
But on the other hand, new stuff would be happening, so go for it.
He still is. I saw him last week. Looked a bit pale though...
Do yourself the honour of saying it's faith, don;t say it's science based, you won't get away with it.
+Christopher Hitchens
I'm hopeing this means the laws of nature have been temporarily suspended in my favor and in a way that I approve.
+Christopher Hitchens Either Christopher Hitchens is walking the streets now and commenting on UA-cam while he died in 2011, or I am under a severe misapprehension.
Jip W The latter part.
Lmao Hitchens returns!
+Christopher Hitchens It's the second coming! :D
Debating with religious people is utterly pointless but I love Hitch for spending all those years trying. Legend. I wish he was still around.
In his case it wasn't pointless, he provided an insane amount of growth and support to the anti-theocracy movement globally.
That's not true, online you may not change the mind of a terminally religious person you don't know how many people lurking have had their minds changed by your interaction with the religious person.
@@adrianh332as someone from the Bible belt I can confirm.
Jesus first coming was prophecied 700 years before he walked the earth. Read the end of Isaiah 52 and the entirety of Isaiah 53 and tell me who this passage is speaking of?
@@aurelian771 You can't use the bible to prove Jesus or Christianity that's circular logic, the bible is part of the claim for Christianity it isn't the evidence for it. It's certainly not an extant reliable historical document either.
The problem with religious apologists is that they're used to being authoritarian and 'debating' with children. When they try their schtick with an intelligent adult, this is the result.
@James Miller
I thought Hitchens didn't have belief... 🙈
@James Miller
Never say things that make you weak.
@@kevingolden4683 you're absolutely right. Hitchens didn't believe in god, like you don't believe in rainbow farting unicorns. It's a lack of faith and belief. He only understands and accepts reality.
@@dataexpunged6969
So define reality for me.
@@dataexpunged6969
Oh and I suppose it's a wonderful thing to have a lack of faith hey? Wow. Lacky people - 🤔
'religion is NOT a process of scientific inquiry it is an affirmation of faith." -Hitchens sums it up right there. Well done. Nothing more to say.
will crow if u say no evidence, that’s wrong
@@Drp_br_ maybe if you write in complete sentences people can respond. Try addressing something i said and see if i can comment further. That'd be a good start.
will crow You know, Hitchens dose not know what he’s talking about, and yes, you’ll defend the rotting man. But I’m so sick and tired of hear that science can debunk religion when first off, it can’t, and secondly, it can’t prove that God exists. It can’t prove or disprove. And Christianity, Judaism and Islam are religion with historical evidence of Jesus and his resurrection. I’m an open minded atheist. And I hate people like Hitchens who are completely ignorant fucks and same with his fans. He says that it’s emotional encouraging of faith, yet, if there is evidence that’s reasonable to have faith in it. Hitchens has faith in his words just like people like you have faith in a man who has no idea on what he is on about, sayonara, Bitch! 🖕🏼
@@Drp_br_ do try to control yourself. Rambling diatribes aren't civil discourse and they rarely inform or inspire.
Hitchens doesn't claim to be able to prove the 'non existence' of god. And you do your argument no favors by pretending there is historical evidence of Christ having ever existed.
i've done nothing to deserve your insults and emotional attacks so i hope you'll get help and have a better day.
will crow bro, don’t believe me? Look it up yourself Twat? And I’m just sick an tired of this man and others not knowing what they are saying and insulting people’s beliefs. It’s retarded.
Unbelievable...
In 21st century we are still debating if bronze eras fairy tales are real or not.
@@filmeseverin
You, like most theists:
*I don't know, therefore god.*
Show your evidences, have them peer reviewed, before you shamelessly call them "the truth".
@@echandirohrmoser1931 ... peer reviewed? Regarding the Creator, *science will always be just what the cups can think to understand the man who made them.* This is the comparison used by God to make us understand our limitations (the HUGE difference between us and Divinity). That is why we will never have mind capabilities to understand how God (the Creator) has come into existence.
By the way, Christians have made the biggest advance in science (from Newton to Nikola Tesla, there were many hundreds of famous Christians scientists, as you can see in the "List of Christians in science and technology" on Wikipedia. Have in mind that it is an incomplete list, many Christians scientists not being mentioned there, as an example Emil Palade was an Orthodox Christian who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine).
Regarding the real geniuses, when Einstein was asked how it felt to be the smartest man on Earth, Einstein replied, "I wouldn't know. Ask Nikola Tesla". The greatest inventor of all times, Nikola Tesla, was a Christian and he said: _"The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power."_
I was, also, an atheist. Read below, explained in details, how I became a believer (a Christian):
It happened in the first year as a college student. I was an atheist at that time and before, but when I made my girlfriend (actual wife) cry, due to a contradictory discussion about God, loving her very much, I ASKED TO GIVE ME A SIGN TO BELIEVE, addressing this from all my soul and from all my heart (it was like "God, if you exist, give me a sign to believe in you"), then, in few days, when I had already forgotten about my demand, I had the vision (please forgive my English, while it is not my native language):
I was like teleported outdoors in complete dark, feeling the wind blowing slowly, and while worrying where I am, and how could be possible such phenomenon, a sphere of light came slowly from the left (later I realized that it came from the house in which I was born, the house of my grandfather, who was a priest, being dead at that moment), and faster while approaching of me, when I was able to recognize the exact place where I was, due to the reflection of light on the houses on one side and another of the road, being in the middle of the street, quite close to the house where I was born (in a small village).
The sphere of light was very bright (the whitest white), diffusing lightly on edges, and in the moment when it touched me, it became like an usual white, decreasing its brightness, as (like) it was defiled by me.
When that sphere of light was coming, I remembered my demand (my words: TO GIVE ME A SIGN TO BELIEVE), and I realized that I can do nothing to escape from that situation (I felt that we people are very small and weak, infinitely more than we realize, against what exists beyond us).
All the time, being inside that light I felt it more like a fluid (it was not an usual light).
After few moments, surrounded by that sphere of light (due to my emotions that have risen dramatically, I was standing up on my toes), I felt it going slowly up, tilting my head up, very kindly, by two very gentle hands (like angelic hands), then going very fast into the sky, like a column of light, remaining looking at the dark night sky filled with stars, IN A COMPLETE SILENCE (that I never experienced). I say "complete silence" because before that moment it was like in this world, with a permanent almost imperceptible background noise, but then the complete silence made me feel out of this world, like I was dead, and I thought that I will hear some words, but no words and I came very abruptly into our usual reality with my heart beating incredible hard, like outside of my body, and the first thing I said was: "Thank You for bringing me back!", then I made my first sacrament (oath) from my entire life: "I will tell to all people whom I find not believing in God that GOD EXISTS AND TO THINK MORE ABOUT THIS!".
@@filmeseverin
1st. Your personal experiences can't and certainly won't be taken as an objective evidence.
You must be very but very special then, your god ignored hundreds of millions if not billions prayers during the Holocaust, and still ignores millions each day! But he took the time to take care of your personal request.
People who believe in other gods also have their "unexplainable" experiences regarding the god they worship, are they hallucinating? Or their experiences are just as real as yours?
How arrogant must you be to believe only yours are real?
If their experiences are just as real as yours, then your "only true god" statement collapses as an house of cards.
You said, "I was an atheist, then I became an believer once again".
I can only say: *You have never been an atheist.*
We all born believing in NO god. Then someone (primary our families) inculcate us to believe in the god they were also inculcated to believe. Some of us find out the BS behind those bronze era fairy tales and ceased to believe.
So, when you say:
I was an atheist. Then I became a believer.
You are saying:
I was born believing no bs, later somebody told me a bunch of bs and made me believe in them, I found they were just made up stories and stopped to believe in them. But finally I realized I was wrong, and once again I believe in the stories I previously realized as bs...
Your statement about "being an atheist and becoming a theist", is just as respectable as a person saying "I was sober, then I became a drunk"
@@echandirohrmoser1931 The Bible mentions clearly that Satan is the god of this world (for example in Corinthians). Therefore, all stupidity=evilness, respectively all the useless suffering etc. and immorality/promiscuity are caused and maintained by the fallen angels, ruled by Satan. We still can live and even be happy sometimes, in this short earthly life, because of God's mercy and love for us, which keeps some limitations for the fallen angels, otherwise Apocalypse will happen.
The fallen angels want to destroy us since our conception (actually, all the time in any way possible), because of their hatred for God. That is why they make us suffer, as much as possible, by using our stupidity and the stupidity of the other people around us.
Most unbelievers do not know the "Parable of the weeds". The fallen angels have created all the evil living things such as: parasites, viruses, bad bacteria ..., besides all insects and animals that kill other insects or animals, also the bad instincts in humans (the reptilian brain), by altering our DNA (since the "apple" event mentioned in the Bible). Initially all insects, animals etc. were feeding only with plants (plants products, such as fruits, nectar, seeds etc.).
Humans had to continue living after betraying the Creator, by listening to His enemy, Satan, who is actually the god of this world, in a Creation corrupted by the fallen angels, after the Creator "has abandoned" this planet to let us see how evil, humans without God/Jesus, can be. We see this everyday and suffer the bad consequences of the stupid=evil people's deeds, tools of Satan. The fallen angels, being sadistic, have altered the DNA of most living things (including us) to do as default both: reproduce uncontrollably (as much as they can) and fight (kill) each other. They love to see living things suffering, especially human beings suffering.
The truth has been told to you. However, you are free to go ahead denying the fact that God/Jesus is real (it is your choice). *_"If God wanted to, they could all be believers."_* You have free will, that you could always strive to use only for good (this being all what our Creator asks from us). All the best!
In addition, it may help you to watch entirely:
"NDE- ATHEIST PROFESSOR (Berkeley Grad) dies, sees HELL! Best testimony EVER! Howard Storm Interview".
"Gavril Barnut dead 13 hours - Saw hell & Heaven!"
"Man Sees Unthinkable Horrors in Hell - Christians Being Tortured! (Mario Martinez)".
"It would be patronising to explain it."
The coolest way of saying: "The other guy is bullshitting".
I wish he did explain it. For I do not understand :(
@@zargle5924
Go back to the first part of the debate. Hitchens explained miracles. Any debate is unique (a singularity), but that's not a miracle.
@@zargle5924 Franks says singularity is a miracle. That is, if something happens once, it's a miracle. This message to you is only happening once. It's a singular event. No other message has existed or will exist at exactly this time with these words. Is it a miracle? No, it's just a rather banile message. It's a singularity, not a miracle.
@@Jamie-js3qw BRAVO!
I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days
"Resurrection was something of a banality at the time." Brilliant.
So was virgin birth
Actually it is a first and following die to cause thing doctrinally, he got that wrong. He also suggested that a strong case would mean nothing to him that shows a great deal of bias in an irrational way.
Too bad the other guy shouted.
@@williamturner6192 what kind of gibberish is this. Could you clarify your point so we can actually understand it
@@weltenunder lol
😂😂Come on. I’m an agnostic, but those allegations have been debunked.
Science asks questions that may never be answred; religion preaches answers that may never be questioned.
Karl Schneider Well stated Sir!
Science is not an entity it's the product of human thought, perception/ imagination. Gravity for instance
Remember that you can not explain your own existence.
@@stickfigure6644 what?
@Kyrvänsyylä Haha that's what I was thinking
That Christian was angry, and understandably so. He had no chance of sounding anywhere near rational by screaming like a madman. No wonder so many were laughing at him, lol.
@MichaelKingsfordGray I thought it was Turek.
MichaelKingsfordGray _"Woe to those who call good evil and evil good!"_
@MichaelKingsfordGray What does my name have to do with this conversation? Frank Turek and William Lane Craig (if that's who you thought this was) are famous people. I'm not. I don't want to use my own name when talking to strangers.
And all the ridiculous things he was saying didn’t help
@MichaelKingsfordGray Conplete nutjob. Protecting your identity on the internet is important for personal safety.
I love that last line of "There's an obvious difference in between a singularity and a miracle and it would be patronizing to the audience to explain it"...this is why Hitch was great. He gives the audience more credit than they probably deserve, charming them with his wit and building them up of "I know you are all smarter than this argument this guy is giving you".
I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days
@@cinesanti7 how were you sure he wanted a miracle? have you got evidence, to say you are "sure"?
@@cinesanti7 who wouldn't, but how do you know it was from your god?
@@cinesanti7 how did you know?
@@cinesanti7 yeah. Normal people want comfort not truth. Because they are too weak to handle it. That's why they invented religion. To comfort themselves. I believe Hitchen was a very strong man
The Christian in this video says that religion is trying to find out the origin of everything. This is a false statement. Religion already assumes that it has knowledge of the origin of everything. That is the problem.
Maybe for the same reason that you felt a need to call me out on it. Truth is worth repeating.
+Dennis Pennington Ehh.. no... he asked you a question.
Religion claims to have the answers already, leatheljamie. They have answers because their book said a certain thing or they have had "experiences." These things do not qualify as evidence. You cannot go into court, for example, with a "strong gut feeling" that your neighbor is the one who flattened your tires. You have to produce the evidence.
Dennis Pennington
Ehh.. again.. no... I or alex ward did not ask you to try and clarify that.
OK. Maybe I should just ask permission from both yourself and alex ward. That would solve everything.
Hitchen’s gets drunk to give his opponents a level playing field. Unfortunately there is never enough liquor
Nicely put.
I can never think of Hitchens without thinking of his mother's suicide, and the effect it had on him.
good one lol
@John Carboni Joseph smith, scientology, Islam extremists....That's you. ...You believe someone talked to a god... Just like them... You are the same people.. You are why Waco Texas happened.. You are why 911 happened.. Your why the Inca were genocided... You help moleste children..
So you can be less afraid of death and Feel like you have a purpose.... Faith is very real and powerful..imagine what you could do if you had Faith in yourself instead of your king of kings.
jajajajajaja
@Michael He did not finish his sentence nor did he finish his statement
"Seems resurrection was something of a banality at the time."
He was the greatest.
Cassius Clay was the greatest.
@@aikido7 But Hitch was the Ali of debate.
@@techsysengineer5135 Even Ali was beaten.
@@aikido7 Very True sir.... very true. But he's not known for the couple of times he lost... he's know for the path of destruction.
@@techsysengineer5135 So are we all.
Read the Book of Ecclesiastes. We all die and should eat, drink and be merry while we’re alive.
Jesus didn’t mention Heaven very often. It was just fine and could take care of itself. It’s here ON EARTH where the problems are.
Salvation is about transformation in THIS life. It has nothing to do with living after death--at least in Jesus’ day, it didn’t.
When you lose your temper and start shouting at Christopher Hitchens, you've already lost.
except christopher hitchens was not operating on historical, archeoligcal or scientific fact, so in actuality, that is how he lost
@@memoryhead7715
No. You just did.
@@jackywhite880 nah, being on the side of facts and stuff is a win
@@memoryhead7715 Please expound on these ARCHEOLIGCAL facts.
Correction: when you are a theist, you already lost.
"I'll give you all your miracles and you'll still be left exactly where you are not, holding an empty sac" nothing short of brilliance!!!
+Cojocaru Claudiu It's a good quote - even if the 'miracles' happened, it still wouldn't prove that Jesus was divine, or that his teachings were moral.
Patrick Harris I agree
+Cojocaru Claudiu That was beautiful, wasn't it? In a world of miracles, the believers often seem to be the ones without them in their lives. It is sad.
We need to educate people and ensure that they do not accept what has been "given to them by god", which is often a shit hand.
+Claudiu Cojocaru *now*
+Dex I'm on it big style on Facebook, no1 believes in God any more but to scared to say it
Dude got Hitch-slapped.
he did in deed
Lmao
The dude needs to argue his points.....it's his living.....it pays the bills and puts food on his table.....to admit he is wrong changes everything in his life. I am glad that I had the opportunity to choose without repercussions.....no more myth believing for me!
Turek is toast. Burned toast.
See, the issue here - as with all theological debates when it theology Vs logic...
Is there is no logic to faith.
Anyone remember playing armies when you were a kid - and you had got you S.A.W. (A.K.A a stick) and you shot an enemy with it.
You literally stood at point blank range and filled them with so much lead - they actually had small planets begin orbiting their increased mass...
And they would say the inevitably boring and long winded bullshit "say you missed"
Even as a kid you though "bullshit!"
And you would say "no - I didn't"
"Yeah, bit say you missed."
"No. I did not..."
You get the picture.
Religion is that kid.
I've been spoiled by Hitchen debates. Anyone else seems to be a let down.
RiddickTheKiller Matt D. is also very good and I watch him often. You have a good point and it's a shame he's not as famous and respected around the world as a world traveled journalist like C. Hitchens was. They both had every part of the bible memorised and studied history of religions and philosophy in depth. I stand corrected but my comment stands as far as debates go. :)
Joseph Nordenbrock He's nothing more than a babbling bore who keeps lying about whether or not he ever went to seminary. If I wanted to hear a windbag drone on about how little he actually knows, I'd listen to the State of the Union.
Kakure Possenti Believe that too for how little it effects my life personally.
Joseph Nordenbrock Anything to avoid admitting you're wrong on something, eh?
Kakure Possenti That sounds like something a drunk in a bar would say just to get me riled up or keep a childish argument going. Don't hold your breath waiting for my next reply.
“The gospels tell us that at the time of the crucifixion all the graves in Jerusalem opened and their occupants wander around the street to greet…so it seems that the resurrection was something of a banality of the time”…
Those lines floored me with laughter 😆this man was not only an amazing brilliant orator and beautiful intellect, but his rebuttals were majestic and on point.
and we seem to have ZERO evidence anywhere of all these zombies wandering around
@@SNORKYMEDIA Indeed, it never ever happened.
I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days
@@cinesanti7 There are no miracles, or exceptions to the laws of Nature - Stephen Hawking
Who the heck would believe that rubbish? It's amazing and those that believe should be pitied.
I really miss this chap. In a way, I almost wish he had been wrong. I would like to think I could meet him in an afterlife - if not only for the conversation.
Almost wish he HAD been wrong? Priceless!!!! He was, and IS completely wrong!!! Perfect textbook example of an Intellectual IDIOT! Poor, poor man! Sad really.
Are you serious? what do you even mean?, do you actually blame One person for the iraqi war? LOL
Arnold, don't feed the obvious troll.
Hitchens did not claim to guarantee no Supreme Creator or no afterlife. He only claimed there was insufficient evidence to accept either as factual.
You are a pretty hate fueled individual for someone that seemingly believe in an all loving God's teachings.
Who hurt you ?
What I hate about these Religious debaters is that, People like Hitchens and Dawkins actually study the religious texts and cultures so that they can back up their arguments, and relate to the opponent in a way that they understand, religious people dont research science at all they just blab on with disregard and ignorance.
yup they don't know shit abt science:D
I find it a hilarious irony that one of the greatest weapons to argue against religion is religion itself.
You see the thing is, a science-based approach requires you to consider, test and finally or accept or reject propositions/hypotheses/arguments on their merits. You are, by definition, REQUIRED to understand and consider the opposing view.
Religion apologists come from a place where they believe that the text they get their arguments from is inspired (or even dictated) by a supernatural force, with agency, that created the universe. This leads them to believe their position is superior because by THEIR definition, their information is perfect.
The vast difference in quality between the two becomes evident as soon as one applies reasonable standards of evidence.
Yeah... Oddly enough they often know MORE about the opponents Bible.
Jazzkeyboardist1 He never had a mother, he was born unto a Bush! 😂
"Infinitely expanding tautology" that sums it up pretty well. I'm looking forward to discovering actual aliens, and watching how religious people incorporate it into what they _knew_ all along.
Unless they look like us they will be called demon spawn and there will be a call from the pulpit for new crusade to save the universe from the heathen menace! (damn that's good name for a metal band)
@@DennisMoore664
Yes, but a just a tad long to remember...
Maybe the abbreviation:
Utllutwbcdsatwbacftpfnctstufthm ?
@@DennisMoore664
It was a joke and, judging from your reaction, very successful at that. 😉
God's says don't believe in the alien it's in the bible. They fly in God given space my would be friend
@@rayolight9744
God also says: beware of false prophets.
Only got to know Hitchens as of today and already my hero. Everything he says makes perfect quotes.
Lol hitchens. "Im not going to explain why you're wrong because it would be embarrassing." genius.
Sounds like a cop-out.
@@HooDatDonDar true
+HooDatDonDar +David hatcher
You can't be serious, it's not a cop out at all.
He is simply saying that the distinction is clear and to explain the difference between an event that can only occur once (such as your birth) and a miracle would be patronising to the audience and an insult to their intelligence.
@@DigitalMonsters hmmm ok
@Jazzkeyboardist1 ???????!
Science is logical, religion is emotional.
When a scientist discovers something that proves their current belief to be wrong they think 'I've learned something new'
When a religious person is faced with a similar situation they tend to act like a child who was just told Santa doesn't exist.
John Smith St. Nick is alive and well!
Science can not explain most of the important issues of humanity.
This is just reality.
Okay, you can produce levers and clever ways to handle fire-that's about it.
Tell me with science about love and contracts and why murder is wrong.
jamie Allen1977 The monopoly on morality does not belong to Christ and wherever you got this notion from it cannot match up with reality. Its part of that immutable preeminence of religion that even when a non believer holds a belief you claim it belongs to your faith. Atheists who believe murder is wrong must owe that to Christ.
What arrogance and pride.
BollocksUtwat
I do believe you fail to read.
I say without God murder is the same as saving life.
No difference.
Just imaginary delusions.
Try philosophies.
jamie Allen1977 I can explain this in this way, murder is not always wrong. I know that might be hard to grasp, but think of all the murders we embrace self-defense, during war, death penalty. Scientifically why is unjustified murder wrong is the question you ask, and the reason for that is because we humans are primates that form social groups. We must trust other members in our social group for hunting, defending and raising young etc. This is why it is plausible that humans would evolve and pass on traits where we cooperate one another. The question on love is a little more difficult, but it probably relates to our extremely long time of being helpless when were young in our species. Humans I believe have the longest child rearing time before the young can survive on their own than any other species. This explains why we would evolve to form lasting bonds (love) where the humans that paired and stuck together would be more likely to survive and pass on their genes. I believe they are now beginning to hypothesized that early human children were raised by groups of mothers who sort of had an early child care system.
Do counter your question with a question if we are formed by a God and made to have certain traits as you imply, than why can humans not survive solitary confinement. Why are humans hardwired to be social and can not tolerate total isolation?
litcguitarist
Self Defense War Death Penatly : These are not murders.
And of course you would say murder isn't always wrong. You are in love with death-of course, atheists almost always are.
I bet you love abortion and what eugenics.
(Lasting bonds = love?) Sure sure.
So gravity loves me. Nice to know!
(That's a bond sure to last and last and last)
I've seen so many of these clips dozens and dozens of times...and every time they are just as entertaining and insightful as the first time...or the second...or third. The Hitch will be missed.
+greyeyed123 Spot on!!
+greyeyed123
Yes. I love studying his talks.
I agree. He really helps me articulate my ideas better.
Jordan Dock
Sure. His views on religion are intelligently formulated and articulated. He was quite brilliant.
I've hardly ever seen someone as good as Hitch, at the speed he has when painting his opponent into a corner, usually by using his opponents on words in doing so.
No-one ever out debated Mr Hitchens, he had all the quotes, all the back up information, delivered in his suave English charm.
A true philosopher. I wish I was familiar with him when he was still alive.
Cancer out debated him. His knowledge could not save him from it's clutches.
@@jameshogan6142 so?
@@justanothernguyen2334 So he died. His knowledge proved to be deficient.
@@jameshogan6142 Lol, thats quite funny that you think his death is an argument for anything. You are going to die too.
"There is an obvious difference between a singularity and a miracle. It would be embarrassing to try and explain it." Hitchslap delivered. Game over.
what is it I'm dumb?
@@JHsillypantsMcGee A singular event is a unique event. Something that will never be recreated. Me leaving this comment here at this specific time is a singular event in the sense that I can never do it again. This specific time has passed. From this perspective every event is a singular event, but obviously there are singular events that are more improbable than others. Out of the billions of spermatozoa that were unleashed only one resulted in your birth. This specific one being the one is one in a trillion chance, but out of the trillions spermatozoa that were created, one would do the job anyway. So no physical laws were broken.
A miracle is a suspension of physical laws, as in instead of the one in a trillion spermatozoa that made it creating a godzilla instead of a human.
he clearly fails
Thanassis Stavropoulos
So is Jesus healing people a miracle?
Thanassis Stavropoulos that sounded like a whole bunch of equivocation my friend. For a God who created and sustains all things in an orderly manner (might I add that you betray your own worldview by relying on the uniformity of nature) it would be perfectly within His ability to suspend that for a moment. In a random chance universe of “singularity” events, you presuppose uniformity when making scientific inferences or driving down the road. By nature you are hardwired to know that all things are held in an orderly fashion, you innately know right and wrong, the separation is that you suppress the knowledge of God because it makes one accountable.
Frank’s religion seems to leave him in a state of permanent discomfort and agitation.
Religion tend to have that effect on people.
Gus Jackson
I'm not claiming that you're stating this as a counter argument against religion but I'd just like to point out that discomfort and agitation does not equate as a debunk towards Christianity. Going to the dentist can be very discomforting and agitating. If we use the logic that discomfort and agitation is enough to justify not doing something then we would never go to the dentist (which is obviously a bad thing especially when you need to go). Again, not claiming that that's your point. I just want to make sure you don't think that because that's obviously a fallacy.
Edge of the Danklord
Is that a bad thing?
@@appledough3843 Gus wasn't trying to debunk anything. He was just making a statement based on an observation he made.
And I'm sorry but you cannot equate going to the dentist with a superstitious conviction.
Willfully taking on a religious affiliation and feeling discomforted by it, is not the same as feeling discomfort when having to seek professional medical assistance for a healthy oral cavity.
So ??
I’ll believe in resurrection when this brilliant man comes back.
Today would be good.
👍👍👍👍👍
Only those who believe in Christ and obey his commandments will receive eternal life.
Why so?
@@jameshogan6142 and Father Christmas...
I am actually gutted & tearful that I only found Christopher at the end of his life. RIP. How I wish you were here. I'm so sorry for your family & friends. :(
"actually"
No u dont. No, u arent.
@@SleepyPenguin-8og Crawl back under your bridge, troll. 🙄
Christopher points out a flaw in his argument and Frank said “forget that”. Lol
It's sad. It's like talking to a woman, who tries to negate your arguments by forcing you to ignore them yourself.
@@nocturnaljoe9543 well that's a bit sexist, both genders can be assholes in my opinion but you're pretending it's only women...
@@DuckInGameStop I get your point and I understand you. However I experienced this only from women and therefore I made this example. How can the truth be sexist?
@@nocturnaljoe9543 well then it's not the truth, it's your personal experience
@@DuckInGameStop now you two sound like you're talking about miracles...
American Christians ideas of winning an argument.....talk louder and faster
Yup just like Shapiro
Yeah that is unique to American Christians. *eye roll* Go to Speakers' Corner sometime and get back to me.
Or we could just listen to British atheist intellectuals spout scientific theory as fact. That's proof too....tough guy :D
@LORD G Kaiser Yes Lord G Kaiser, I understand the principles. But I don't believe in any science that claims to understand the nature of existence. The most humble and honest physicists will admit that theirs are only theory. Their objective facts are constantly changing as new technology is made available. And mate, Hitchens did not offer anything than what's been said before.
@LORD G Kaiser You are going to learn upon your death that your information is wrong. The proof of God exists within your thinking. I believe that you know right from wrong. That isn't by accident. You have a desire to accept abnormality as normal. The policy that you believe in will end the western cultures. This isn't my first rodeo with people of your mentality. I don't have time for it. It's meaningless noise.
Has been gone for almost ten years, and we still miss him the same..The Great Christopher Hitchens .
@Raj Iyer Jesus said to Thomas "You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe"
Wonder where he is now.
@Raj Iyer If your religion actually instructed you to use your brains and learn, then you wouldn't be religious. You are looking for something called confirmation bias.
@Raj Iyer that's quite a warped perception of reality you have. If you say there is no God, then you must think you are God. Are you my God? Are you the God of this Earth?
@Raj Iyer Ah yes, I see you. Carry on brother. You are a good shepherd.
The other guy lost already when he first opened his mouth because he felt it necessary to shout to Hitchens instead of speaking civilized. Note how he keeps calling Christopher by name also, which (to me anyway) is another sign of a weak debater. Hitchens keeps remarkably calm. A great man indeed.
“There’s an obvious difference between a singularity and a miracle. I think it would be embarrassing to try and explain the difference.”
This is epic
Do you know the math for that? I got the word of it from an atheist as I understand it so go ahead and check whether it should count as a miracle or not.
@@williamturner6192 The chance of your sperm meeting that egg and producing you is anywhere from one in fifteen million to one in two hundred million. The same for both of your parents. Thus, the mere chance of your grandparents leading to you is anywhere from one in two-hundred and twenty-five thousand billion; that is 225x10^12 at the minimum. That is multiplied again and again for every generation you go back.
You are mathematically so unlikely as to be functionally impossible. It would be like flipping a coin forty-eight times in a row and getting heads every time just to get from you to your grandparents; a regress that goes back into a spiral of increasingly less likely chances. Yet here you are. Does that make you a miracle? Does that make every person you see a miracle? The result of direct divine intervention and the temporary cessation of natural laws to allow for it? No, it doesn't. Unlikely isn't the same as impossible. Something that happened once is very different from something that cannot happen. An infinitely small number is still infinitely larger than zero.
@@williamturner6192 It appears "Dragoderian" just "Miracle Whipped" you. Allow me, to explain.....The odds of one being "Miracle Whipped", followed, by an infinitely stupid rhetort......what was the question?
William Turner I’m not claiming knowledge of event, religion, on the other hand, is claiming knowledge.
As for current knowledge, it’s a matter of time before we find out. In less than 500 years we went from believing in witches to putting humans on the moon.
The progress of Science can’t be stopped as long as humans remain curious. We don’t know now, but we’ll find out, it could be tomorrow, it could be 10 years later or in the next century, but it will happen.
As for the difference between miracle and singularity, Dragoderian has given an excellent example.
@@Dragoderian You forgot to mention that there is about 15 million sperm cells in a single ejaculation as well so your math is incorrect. You are talking about the odds of a specific sperm reaching the egg, not the odds of becoming pregnant.
this is hard to watch lol. that poor preacher. he probably sat and looked at his hotel wall for like 5 hours after this.
joe shmo
I finally found you! my long lost twin brother
Jo Shmo Oh my god. And we both love the Hitchens lol.
Jo Shmo It's a miracle! No, I'm kidding, it's just an unlikely event, miracles don't exist :)
He isn't even commenting with his main channel. That or he was too stupid to remember his password. His videos are cringy as fuck by the way.
No, he, like all religious nuts, is completely unaware of his ignorance and left this debate fully convinced that he owned Hitch.
_"It's the only thing you've said all evening that I'm going to remember"_
(2:59 Hitchslap)
I like the fact that this looks like a bible verse
@@Zsemlemester99 lol
Tony England I’ve seeing you everywhere haha
@@richardfeynman1728 That's because if you do the path integral of all UA-cam recommendations you arrive at Tony England.
Hitch is best not remembered.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
He was brilliant. No-one around like him nowadays. If only.
No, there are many clueless people like Hitch.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
True, there is no one around quite like Christopher Hitchens. Have you listened to any Matt Dillahunty debates? Incredible, intelligent mind and debater. Maybe one the the greatest debaters ever, in my opinion.
@@inthecrosshairs4480 Hitch, Matt, and clueless you can't even get around the basic science I gave. You are all so empty.
@@inthecrosshairs4480 Dillahunty is Hitchens minus eloquence and charm.
Big fan of Douglas Murry. Just as eloquent
Edit: not quite as eloquent...but class
I think the way he sits there and calmly debates the topics and the other guy just has temper tantrums every time he says something... I think that says it all.
He’s not used to being questioned.
@@aaronchandler2380 well, his practice does require _absolute obedience_ not exactly the kind of environment that can handle a witty dude saying "you're full of shit".
Hitch's beliefs and rejection of evidence say it all.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block You are evidence of what Luke said as well...you petulant apocalyptic cult member. You have the mentality of Iron Age Middle Eastern goat-herders who didn't even know earth orbited the sun: contemplate that..just notice how backward and primitive your psychotic beliefs are.
@@2fast2block your comment is incredible in its demonstrable lack of scientific understanding. you know just enough to get yourself in semantic trouble. SMH
I only started listening to Christopher Hitchens a couple of years ago and I wish I had known of him alot sooner. Absolutely brilliant mind and nobody could phrase an argument or pose a question more eloquently than himself with comedy mixed in no less. I want to commit everything he has ever said to memory haha!
I have just discovered him 3 weeks ago and I'm so sad he's dead. "Thank god" (lol!) for technology so we can listen over over again to the things he said.
@@barbaralachance5836 thanks to the internet, I'll never truly die
@@poozer1986 Yes indeed Christopher! for as long as there are free-thinkers willing to shed the slavery, chains and poison of religion, thy wisdom, wit and logic shall be there in words and practice.
Cheers 🥃🥃to enlightenment! tis tumblers of JWB I drink in your name.
@@AFMMD-q8 🥃🥃 thank you kindly
Agree totally
I miss this man. His logical destruction of the ultimate curse of humanity, religion, remains!
Too bad he died as an apologist for the Bushes and the War machine.
@@Nawazaahr ?
@Leslie Starck where's the evidence of that? Hard, concrete , physical evidence?
Hitchens was always a glass of cold, fresh, and clear water. He quenches one's existential thirst.
*No Christopher!! You can't use your logic on ME!! I have the power of RIDICULOUSNESS on my side!!!!*
Ridiculosity
I’ve enjoyed watching Christopher kick this guys ass for so many years. It never gets old.
Everyone cringes for this stupid guy. Don't know who choose him to debate Hitchens.
I like to think of myself of a rather witty and well spoken person and I believe I m rather good a debating others on things that I know even a little bit on.. but Hitchens.... this is a fucking art. And it looks so effortless when he s doing it
+Marc Kael why do donuts have a whole?
i actually dont know
Experts say, it is so the inside can cook as easily as the outside though some believe it is so the factory workers could play with them in their lunch break lol
*hole
+Marc Kael Well that is the fun of debating with humans. You can counter any irrational statement on any subject just by being trained to think rationally and by being able to verbally express it well. That is why the intellectuals like it so much, it is like a grindstone for a sword. Something to sharpen your wits on.
Hitchens even romanticized the debate on religion. Because it is the thing you always have to be arguing against. Therefor the outcome is already determined. The entire goal, his at least, is to get more refined in combating the argument. A craftsman trying to perfect the art of his work. That's what he was really.
Oh how we miss this unbelievably unique intellect. At least we can re watch his magnetism & rare oratory.
If evidence were found tomorrow that proved the Christian god created the universe, practically all atheists would become Christians in a heartbeat.
If evidence were found tomorrow that proved the Christian god did not exist, most Christians would ignore that evidence and continue believing anyway. Like all religions, Christianity forces its followers to deny and disregard all other data except its own.
Miss you so much Hitchens, articulate, genius 💔
I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days
@@cinesanti7 how could you miss the point that hard and spout bollocks in 1 sentence.
You better have a notepad in front of this guy. Everything Christopher did and spoke was in his mind....nothing needed to be written down for a debate. Spectacular!
I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days
when you just make up shit out of your ass, you dont need notes, i guess
@@cinesanti7 what a stupid thing to say.
@@cinesanti7 what a disgusting thing to say shame on you.
@@cinesanti7 And did that 'miracle' happen? Of course not because there's no such thing!
The way Hitchens backs his points with evidences and citations is fuckin amazing.
The way science textbooks talk about history and geography and philosophy is amazing 😂
Going to hell?
@@arnoldfernandes2672 lol those sound like good textbooks. More for your money
@@BillFromTheHill100 We're already there
he did bullshit and never provided any evidence.... PH is better
I am so grateful for these uploads of Hitchens, who was an erudite man with common sense who effectively addressed the fantastical stories, ideologies, and rhetoric spawned by the promoters of religion.
I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days
@@cinesanti7 A comment only written by someone who is an extreme right wing religionist.
@@cinesanti7 Since you've commented this allready 50 times in this video, I think you are desperate for some therapy. You have issues..
DNA, no gods....without DNA, still no gods. I hope I'm not the only one who really enjoys watching the fall of religions.
Im with you. The time for religion is over.
***** im so with you . the end of religion is near
Jon Ellis
'the end of religion is near'
You mean to say that religion is exploding upon the planet and nearly all people on Earth believe in God in some sort or another.
I am sure that is what you meant to say.
NOt slowing down a bit, but gaining speed.
jamie Allen1977
Religious numbers drop by the day. But when have facts ever mattered to you dummies? You religious sure are a goofy bunch.
*****
Where? In China? Where Christianity Grows daily, rapidly?
Where? In India where Islam and Budhhism and Christianity Grows Daily?
Where? In The Middle East? Where Islam and Christianity Grow Daily?
Where In Africa? Religion is growing rapidly around the world.
Where? South America? Christianity Grows Rapidly on that Continent.
Where?
Where Is there not religion growin?
You mean to say around you?
Are you so sure?
You mean Europe.
Not where most people who actually are ALIVE and LIVING.
You mean to say Christianity is shifting the focus again.
Israel to Europe to America To the Orient.
You mean to say that Christ is currently being received in the Orient like never before.
(That is where MOST PEOPLE ACTUALLY ARE ALIVE AND LIVING)
You have a very NARROW eye about reality.
That religious zealot is so intellectually overmatched. Sir Hitchens could literally out debate him in his sleep.
Literally?
Nuhhh, *snore* that's pascal's wager *snore* uhhhmm *snore* now you're using the circular reasoning fallacy, *snore*
There you go, it's now literal, I wrote about it, even if never happened, it was written about, so therefore it is now literal.
@@WhoThisMonkey it's a miracle!!!!
😂😂 👍
Based
I’m gonna trust in the audience here because I think it would be embarrassing to explain it!!!
What a line at the end
While I disagreed with Hitchens on things, he was absolutely devastating when it came to religious matters. His logic sliced finer than any Occam’s razor.
He is missed terribly.
Occams razor.... Good one. Not that I'm actually in Hitchens court, no.... But, touche
Adolf hitler was renowned for his charisma and almost entrancing discourses ' becoming entranced with intellectual charm is erroneous and a strong form of idolatry '' we must take into consideration his militant passive aggressive assault on the spiritual and divine ' a true arsoner of other dimensions in arrogant fashion '
@@davidmack5689 ah yes, the obligatory Hitler comparison. The inability of people such as yourself to differentiate between dogmatic, charismatic speech and convincing logical argumentation is what allows people like Hitler to become popular.
Drivel
@@davidmack5689 you are rhetorically gifted
5 seconds in, a question directed to hitches gets rudely answered by a pastor who thinks talking louder means your winning an argument
That is not what happened.
@@williamturner6192 0:18
He, apparently, got bent because Hitchens didn't answer the question asked and tried to spin it.
Rod K I mean, he started out with “I have two responses” and then barely got through the first. What would the religious say before DNA is a great point, because the question is basically a god of the gaps assertion.
@@williamturner6192 That is literally what happened
Good grief. The religious opponent speaks as though he's scolding a child.
That's how it keeps going. If children weren't subjected to this bullshit and had a chance to see how things work religion would die off.
That is Frank "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist" Turek. His commitment to intellectual integrity is muddled up by his apologetics.
I have several of his books and admire his intellectual ability, but Hitch could and did dish it out as well, often interrupting his opponent. The only way to even have a chance at competing against Hitch was to immediately challenge him..as he did to his opponent all the time. He could be very condescending.
@@hankandlefty Sorry you invested in the millionaire preacher.
@@alittleofeverything4190 I am not invested in anyone. I was remarking on debating technique and personality.
Turek is so out of his league. He should have stayed home.
man, it's like hitchens is talking to a 5 year old child
Except 5 year old children have an excuse for ignorance and are open to learning.
That is such a classic Hitchslap at 2:58
Steve Fowler he is !
John Cenataur clearly tired of talking to idiots . even he could only take so much .
You are giving too much credit to the sniveling liar that is WLC. Or you have a darned low opinion of 5 year olds.
As Dawkins once said........"If you are invited to debate Christopher Hitchens in public. My advice.......Decline"
even i miss him, and i am plane stupid.
@@TheMieremetrob >> Plain*
Mahmoud Sobhy His point exactly
Hitchens is a nobody just like all the foolish men who have tried to defy God. Nobody will know or remember Hitchens because he has disappeared into foolishness...but the name of Jesus will stand forever. It's already prophesied....these people don't even understand.
@@breakaway2x ... the name of Jesus will have the same destiny as the name of Thor and theus. ... History of theology.
I think this is my favorite of all the Hitchens debates. Turek comes off as so frustrated and Hitch is just so relaxed in his pontificating stripping down everything Turek says.
TheNewYorkLife Turek is actually shaking. Look very closely!
+TheNewYorkLife you can clearly see Turek's insecurity while Hitchens was grilling him calmly.
"Science is questions that must be answered.
Religion is answers that must not be questioned".
Hitchens slayed the religious with absolutely no weakness. I miss this guy.
MichaelKingsfordGray Or at the very least, a boatload of class.
I believe the unit of measurement you were looking for was (IFT) Imperial Fuck Tonne.
It might have been (MFT) Metric Fuck Ton
Leftist/marxist scribes master the art of denunciation rather well, it's mostly all they have. Hitch gave up on "capitalist" critique, and went at religion which by the 1990s was just low hanging fruit. It's generally Americans who are in awe of him. And why not. Something's better than nothing.
@Terry Wilson A bunch of young Earth creationists? Hahaha.
Oh wait, you're serious. BWAHAHAHAHA!
"You have to look at the context". Translation: "You have to let me create new meaning for the text".
I will forever miss this wonderful man.
you will not miss him forever , as if you believe him you will not have forever , if you don't miss him you will have forever . he was a c**t keeping you from your maker and giving you destruction and eternal death , he was a wicked old goat.
@@heighwaysonthewing how very christian of you to say so
@@heighwaysonthewing lol. When you die nobodys gonna see you and you wont see anybody 😂 your d ik ne for a world of blind faith and worship to a "god" wich is fictional just wasted your life for what. For blind faith. Fuck that
@@maxaphone Fair comment. Christians are required to love their enemies, do good to those who hate them, and pray for those who persecute them.
@@heighwaysonthewing wow. What a lovely person religion has made you.
Calling someone a cunt is very Christian. Kudos for showing us exactly what Christopher meant by saying "religion poisons everything"
I can't believe that this is still being talked about. But it is. How embarrassing for our human race.
"2+2=5. Why? Because Jesus or Muhamed said so. It's a miracle." That's all religion has.
+trexguy yup
+trexguy (9 + sex) x Mohammed = a pedophile
Chuck, most individuals from 2000 years ago never "left evidence that they ever existed". Has Hitchens ever proved what he claimed to be true? Short answer is, no. Long answer is, aside from his criticisms of prevailing constructs (like religion here), he only expressed the likeliness of his claims being true-er.
And that's cuz he was an intelligent fella.
Jazzkeyboardist1 hey. Do you take his words offensive cause your a beliver in religion and you keep talking this way against him after hes dead? I thought one should show respect for the dead?
Its so painful to watch Turek debate he is so childish and emotional
Let me guess, you are so logical that you have no emotions.
Turek is a liar.
@@georgepierson4920 No, he's so logical he doesn't use emotions, but he has them.
@@GlennC789 Tureks arrogance is an appeal to Christians sence of judgemental self-righteousness as he knows he can't beat him with facts.
That’s all religion is. An appeal to emotion.
(All the graves of Jerusalem opened and their occupants wandered the streets...)
It seems to me a resurrection was something of a banality at the time. Lol Christopher simply nailed it.
You are literally too stupid to insult.
As satisfying as it is to see his opponent demolished , it's insulting for Hitchens to be placed on even ground with a shameless conman.
Great line....totally agree
A hero against total nonsense , his patience with unbelievable folklore is brilliant.
Religion is folklore. God is your existence
@@stickfigure6644 Religion is nonsense, god does not exist! Cheers
@@ianp3112 is this assumption based on your limited knowledge?
Don't you think it's somewhat foolish to make such a statement based on what you are able to know as a man?....considering the vast amount of information we do not yet know ....as humans.
Babies have a tendency to believe that when a parent leaves the room they no longer exist. The assumption that they are gone because they no longer see them.
Consider the knowledge of the parent in relation to the baby. The knowledge of vast experiences, the earth, the universe, etc. That the baby has no idea or possible concept of.
The baby has this belief...
@@themoroccanangel Your analogy is flawed but whatever. I see the point you are trying to make. Lack of scientific knowledge over a specific subject does not allow for a fairy tale or magical explanation to fill in the void.
@@jime3281 My analogy is not flawed. Your thinking and reasoning is flawed ...you are the one who believes that the One who created you is a magical fairy tale, and that your lack of limited scientific knowledge somehow validates that a CREATOR doesn't exist. This is utter foolishness. ...like the belief of a baby...but worse! Many years ago, no one living had any idea of the presence of a "black hole" or other planets that existed in the universe...does this mean for them that it didn't exist? This is foolishness. There is a reason you walk in darkness while millions of others know the truth of HIS existence.
"Resurection was something of a banality" Pmsl. Christopher Hitchens, a sadly missed legend.
Hitch was an empty person just like you are for calling him a legend.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block No he just called you out on your ridiculous bullshit. Most people's imaginary friend disappears in childhood. The Irony is, that he was a much more well read person than you will ever be. Another irony is most atheists know the bible (or relevant book/doctrine) better that most christians/relevant brainwashing religion. Very "christian" to start off with an insult. Oh and by the way, the definition of Faith is "a belief of something of which there is no evidence".
@tony Schaapman What a delightful person you sound. So full of hatred and vitriol. Quite ironic really. There is absolutely no evidence of ANY god whatsoever (check the definition of faith again) none of the 4000+ "gods" that have been claimed throughout history. none, nada, zero, zilch. And if you think there is you need a mental health assessment
@@kdlofty UA-cam's gone down the drain, it isn't even showing many comments anymore. I hope you can see the comments of the person you're replying to, it isn't showing here.
@@2fast2block Only shallow people follow Hitchens? Einstein had very similar views, as did Stephen Hawking. If they're "shallow", you probably should re-evaluate your definition of the word.
Jeez Hitch. Shows up at the debate looking like death warmed over. A disheveled comb-over straight out of Flock of Seagulls or Kingpin, yet he still has the wherewithal to cite and quote the works of scientists and scholars at whim with graceful elocution. This guy was the personification of a "functional alcoholic".
who wouldn't want to drink when dealing with frustrating religious apologists and dogmatic Religion.
Also, you know what they say "When you're drunk the truth comes out"
@Arikm7 yes
I carry his torch wherever I roam.I have been accused of being mean,uncaring,soulless.I can only appreciate his courage even more knowing the sheer ignorance he put up with.
Hitchin's torch does not produce light but rather "darkness visible" to quote John Milton in Paradise Lost.
It is erroneous to become entranced with intellectual charm without succumbing as hypnotized person would to nonsense ' The valuable issue made is that Freedom of choice is paramount free from any oppression including atheistic manipulation through false gnosis and ideology ''Hitchens charming dislike for religion and fascination with evidence does not make him right ' he offered no alternative so his beech follower Hawkins preached evolutionary theory ' evolution is a fact but stands outside of proof of existence ''' man did not evolve from the chimpanzee and a giraffe can not become a hippopotamus ' why ? Because the genome DNA chromosome. Expression is an individual expression '' recently human relics were found proving that human beings had not altered in 200 000 years and simultaneously historians have conceded that the old testament is an accurate historical documentation ' Hitchens refusing to be bullied into religious surrender is admirable yet the rest of the Dawkins extended discourses have ironically proven to be. Supposition and not fact ' '
I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days
@@cinesanti7I’m sure he was hoping that the medical science would work in his favor. Please don’t misconstrue that for wishing for a “miracle” because it’s not.
“Faith” is another word for “we have no proof or evidence or reason to believe what we do. We just do what we were told as kids”
@@bK2pa Religions are called "faiths" collectively because it's a belief in something in the absence of evidence. That's why it's called "faith" and not "fact".
Blind faith in other words...
Christianity is based on facts. It's not a blind faith unlike other ones
@@arnoldfernandes2672 Christians believe the bible. Christianity is as much horseshit as the rest of the them are. Just more fairy tales...and blind faith. The mindset of "It's true because I believe it is".
@@arnoldfernandes2672 I’m not sure if that was meant to be sincere or satire
"Religion is trying to find out how the universe began"
Isn't the first line of the Bible - In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth?
HE DIDNT READ THE BIBLE!!!
HA! GOT CHA!
Since we don't seem to get to learn how sin can ever occur in heaven...
@Bob Smith dont act like you're smart when you just called atheism a religion lol.
@Bob Smith you are getting dumber every day. It shows
Who created god?? Himself?, lol
Funny how the religious guy gets so angry....
He's lost by losing it.
Oh he is not angry he’s “Defending the Faith”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol
He's got a nasty disposition... just the way he is.
Everybody get's angry sometimes
"Funny how the religious guy gets so angry...."
So you don't get angry that dumbass Hitch had NO science to give how DNA could have come about by chance. He just word farted and that kept his fellow dumbass followers calm because as long as Hitch gives a word fart or a real fart, it's all good enough for them in their comfy group of dumbasses.
This world we have today misses Mr Hitchens more than ever.
I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days
Oh yeah...Hitchens had no real idea and was just hoping and guessing....he was as a man of faith as a religious man is...
He talked a lot of shit, and supported the worst domestic and foreign policies of our times, with the notable exception of his unusually conservative and praiseworthy stance against abortion - credit where it is due. But he struck me as a well educated man who had knowledge without wisdom.
@@SagaciousFrank "He talked a lot of shit..."
Boooohoooooo... He says shit when he speaks against my religion, boooooooooooo!!!
@@cinesanti7
"I'm sure Christopher desperately wanted a miracle in his final days"
How? Were you close to him? Did he tell you that??? Stupid comment ahahahahahah!
The Belgian priest he's talking about is named Georges Lemaître.
This Great Man's legacy in exposing the Myths of organised religion (of whatever stripe) is fully assured.
A Human Inspiration. End Of.
Thank You, Mr Hitchens.
Hitchens was always the sharpest, pointiest tack in the room.
Shut up. He was a dingbat.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only dingbats follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block Your insults, as unChristian as they are, are unnecessary. If you have a point to make, then doesn't it make more sense to make that point in a mature way and leave the insulting aside.
_"We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature can only come from a lawgiver, God"_
That's what's known as *"confirmation bias".* You're making rules that fit what you already believe. The hard part is that also need to give evidence - cold, hard evidence - that proves your rules are true. Followers of Zeus could say exactly what you've said here. In fact, followers of all three thousand different gods could say it. Your statement is just fitting square pegs into round hole to confirm what you already believed.
@@TonyEnglandUK lol 2stupid2breath can't figure out which side he's on. All he is doing is trolling. Pretty sure, according to the evidence I've gathered from reading his comments, that he has, at most, a 3rd grade education lol
@@2fast2block it hurts you so much that in every Hitchens video you come to point out your ignorant arguments to try and defend your pointless and immoral faith when even the religious authorities could not do with Hitch. You lose, boy chick, you lose. Keep it to yourself, no one need that sort of ignorance. Play me the worlds smallest violin and see if someone cares ✌️
@@TonyEnglandUK you gave nothing to prove me wrong. You show you are nothing of importance in your empty life.
I love that the redness of his face and slurring of words, might imply Hitchens was very closed to... "buzzed" here, and yet he speaks more eloquently than most could at the top of their game.
Was Hitchens actually drinking here?
@@Laughy-Flaaffy i can't say- but stories about hitchen's do make it seem like unless he was sick already, he was probably having a sip of something when allowed.
The redness may be a result of radiological cancer treatment that he received for throat cancer.
There is nothing worse than logic when it's not on your side. ...roflmao!
What's roflmao?
@@papatruss ...rolling on floor laughing my ass off!
Mael-Strom
I agree. Like when Hitchens said "Christianity says it can explain everything." That was an illogical statement. Where did he get that from? When did Christianity say it can explain everything. Christianity is about grace. It addresses the essentials. When did it say it can explain everything?
@@appledough3843 christianity says they can explain everything. Something about this old book that's actually 66 books or something. It's all stupid, really.
Now I think christians are full of shit when they preach, but for some reason, they seem to believe they have an answer for everything.
Snow Flake was there an intelligible comment there? You merely restated the question. Maybe you were looking for “The Bible claims to make sense of everything.”, which it does.
God is NOT Great! But Christopher Hitchens is, may his mellifluous voice keep educating free thinkers until the end of human extinction, I sorely miss this beautiful man everyday.
@AH03 its not worship, but admiration and gratitude! Cheers
Alcibiades why isn’t God great?
Hmmm Mr.Byron, Hitchens is great?
Tell me....and where did you hear of Hitchens putting a sun in the sky, or the stars and the moon?
Or maybe you think he designed the heart that beats in your ungrateful chest....you foolish man...your days are numbered...and you shall yet answer to the ONE who created you...just as the one you praise has now faced his MAKER with terror.
Deception breeds on the grounds of ignorance....
You haven't even mastered the full capacity of your own brain and you arrogantly trust in the little knowledge that you have learned...only to blaspheme the ONE who gave you the sense to comprehend.
At least have the decency as a man to hold your tongue in speaking of things you know little of.
i guess he s beautiful cause he s cruel, and vicious. yeah thats about right. i see no beauty in him.
God is alive while Hitchen is dead, so who is greater? free wrong thinker 😅
Sadly missed Hitch. Everything you said was brilliant.
So true.
David Sea, a common opinion among those who came to know of him after 1995.
Yes
except for all his mistakes and nonsense
I used to be religious, and I'm absolutely sure that at that time, I was not capable of comprehending CH's purity and his genius. Grateful am I now that i can btr understand such arguments. Reality, such as it is, is far better than the illusions of religion I carelessly professed.
Religion never tries to discover anything new, quite the opposite in fact.
Religion preaches and demands you follow “answers” that can’t be questioned. Religion and science are not two halves of the same coin.
One encourages free thought, experimentation, and evidence. The other preaches blind faith, bigotry, and authority.
I read sth like this in a book named Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari
Reeligion is static. Its says God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Thats not progressive.
@@angelladavis2250 Obviously. Religion isn't meant to be "progressive". It outlines fundamental laws to live by, the fundamentals don't change.
turek says religion is searching for the truth but that is blatantly obviously dishonest. religion has never been at the forefront of progressive thought, it has always hindered progress. about 1000 years ago, the middle east was a haven for math and scientific progress and thought, until Islam stopped that. the so called "Dark Ages" in Europe were a direct result of christianity.
the Roman Empire did not fall until after it was converted to christianity.
@@steveswangler6373 Fall of the Roman empire wasn't due to religion. Before they were Christian they were Pagan, they weren't void of religion. Try again.
Dude, you have a microphone on. No need to shout.
even when hitchen's was struggling with his he didn't even shout lol
You don't get to cherry pick religious views to suit your argument and forget all the rest of the crazy.
@who dat boy? If you are able to pick and choose the good parts of a religious text, you obviously don't need the religious text in the first place, since you are yourself perfectly capable of morality.
The argument of morality from religion is absurd at best. Unless they honestly think for instance slavery is moral.
@who dat boy? But in the end you are not choosing your morals from religion. Because if you are, what or who decides what's good and barbaric but yourself?
You get your morals from a secular source and use that moral judgement to judge teachings of religion as good or bad.
If not, you wouldn't know good from bad in religious texts, only if the texts describe it as such.
I'd argue that a big part of morality comes from instinct or DNA, whatever you want to call it. We are a social species after all and we need other humans to better our chance of survival.
That's where we get compassion from, sharing, caring for each other etc.
And another part of morals, I'd argue, you get from your upbringing and culture you live in.
Challenge accepted
@@Dennis19901 hmm its easy to be led in any one direction by a simple word translation. Look up what the word slavery ment in biblical times. A servant or a bondsman, working off your dept. The bible is a crock of shit . Time the big boys started to say so.
@@Dennis19901 the morals. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Without God your left with survival of the fittest. No pardon me in that scenario.I've never seen that acted out in our world.
It's always been kind looking after kind. Lately I've seen a cat push a fish back into the water. A bear save a drowning bird. A lion save a foe from other lions. This love has been in us since day dot. Without it nothing would have survived.
How does a baby turtle know to get into the ocean as quick as it can. It's never seen it befor and mom isn't leeding it in. It's been hard wired 4 instinctive behavour. Sounds like programming to me. There is a superior being above us. But there is another superior being working to hide it. I gotta take my hat off to him. Hes doing a pretty good job of it too. It's not working on us all but that may be enough to cause an upset. We will never know till we know.
For the millionth time no real scientists say the universe came from nothing.
Hitch outsmarted a lemon......who shouts like an evangelistic nutter cos that's all they do.
Hitch dodged the finely tuned universe question with a diversion
@@SavedbyHim Which is more likely: That we exist because the Universe is what it is, or that the Universe was built with those constrains FOR us? The second smacks of hubris.
At the same time, remember that Stephen Hawking said that if the Universe is fine-tuned for anything, it's the creation of black holes.
I mean, even most of EARTH is a deadly environment to a naked human without tools, so how is claiming the UNIVERSE was 'tuned' for us rational in the *slightest*??!!
@@douglasthomashayden2566 Well isn't it amazing that there is something rather than nothing. Saying that the universe ''is what it is'' is hardly a defense or explanation for our finely tuned universe or the laws of nature. We may be vulnerable in some scenarios but yet we command the planet like no other. We are in fact the most influential being to walk this planet capable of unimaginable good and unfortunately evil as well.
@@SavedbyHim Nope.
The Universe IS, so it's its own evidence.
Show me equivalent evidence for any 'god' you're trying to assert before claiming it's 'more' real than reality.
The way he addresses resurrection is classic Hitch at his finest.
RIP. If you only knew how people are following your teachings. 🕊
He died though and didn't manage to resurrect. Talk about suffering for your art.
RIP implies you believe in an afterlife where you can RIP... 'rest in peace' ironic though that an atheist will use the term RIP in an afterlife they don't believe in. Resting he is not, given he had so many opportunities presented to him to repent.
The funny thing about Turek is he has no idea how badly he lost this debate.
That's all religious clowns, they are too oblivious due to their often deep-rooted indoctrination, likely since childhood
“You cannot alter the laws of physics in your favor, not even for a second, you just can’t do it.” -Christopher Hitchens
Totally unrelated but I’ve been binging Hitchens and as a sound guy I find it’s hilarious how often he struggles with his mics 😂
Dark Place it’s to cover up how arrogant he is and how little he knows
Audio equipment was the only thing to ever defeat Hitchens in a debate.
putsome basilonit what the fuck?! Why do you feel insulted when I state my opinion on him? I can say what I want about him... who cares?
@@zahrahusain5965 your 'opinion' that Hitchens doesn't know very much is countered by factual evidence. You may disagree with his findings, but that doesn't change his status.
putsome basilonit kek. Bravo
Whenever I'm out of my depth, I take solace in knowing I can say (nervously shout) "That's the argument, I don't have time to support it".
Turek is literally the most horrible religious debater next to Lane Craig. The latter uses silly arguments from analogy, while the former just yells a lot due to bad reasoning.
If you don’t “have time” to support your argument, then you clearly can’t explain yourself and/or you’re not concerned with the truth.
@@2l84me8 Hitch cared little about truth.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block Hitchens cared very much about truth and exposed the flawed nature of religion itself.
There is not a shred of evidence to support the bible, let alone any religious texts. It doesn’t matter what you consider faith to be biblically, because all it is praises ignorance over actual knowledge.
You cannot use the bible as evidence for anything because the bible is simply a claim in written form. It has no credible evidence behind it. It is an immoral, inconsistent, and poorly written book about an angry god that encouraged incest and genocide.
And lastly, religion has absolutely nothing to do with science and actually contradict one another.
Science is about evidence, open discussion, open to interpretation, and is currently the best model for understanding our world.
Religion is about blind faith, authority, bigotry, and refuses to change its mind.
@@2l84me8 "There is not a shred of evidence to support the bible"
Says the shallow person who never got around what I wrote.
Ok, you're slow, so do tell how creation happened naturally without God. Did you forget that part? No, you just can't do it.
People are just to dumb to deal with christopher or realise how dumb they are.
RIP sir.
Though i love Hitch, i must say that any well read, intelligent person has the chops to demolish the religious. after all, its not a big ask, the poor deluded bastards,lol, BUT Hitch had a style and a very dry sense of humour and irony, a way with the vernacular, very well suited to debates:)
It’s ok. God will bring him back.
His best line to the bible bashers i felt was "if you dont sin jesus died for nothing" they dont like that one iota.
Glad hitch is dead what a terrible poison ☠️ this man was to humanity
@@Disciple-of-Jesus-c1 Christianity =/= humanity
Interesting to note how angry Turek seems at the challenges Hitchens makes, how threatened he seems to feel.
"Irreducible complexity" is always the start of an argument from ignorance.
Everything is "irreducibly complex" until someone comes along and explain how it's not.... or until you google it.
+sarcastic bowl of cornflakes Your mom is irreducibly complex!