Someone tweeted your video and I loved what I saw. That's how I ended up on your channel. After watching this video, I decided to subscribe to your channel because I want to see more of these videos in the future. Greetings Christofix
You should flatten the neck after you bend the sides to shape, in case you need to use steam or hot water to bend the body curves, you wont be undoing your neck work. Enjoying the build so far!
You’re out of my comfort zone and it’s not even my guitar haha loving this Ben, stoked to see both projects happen! I have a few dream builds underway myself, would love to show you one day as you inspired my limitless attitude to building 🤘🏻
When I used to work in the aircraft industry many years a go we used to stop drill cracks in tertiary structure, fairings and the like. The hole stopped the crack progressing, leave it undrilled and the crack wold continue propagating. The reason being the hole spreads out any forces around it's circumference, rather than be concentrated in one spot. It's the hole that does the work, not what you put in it. If you want to put something in the hole then Neils idea two below appeals with it's glued dowel filler rod. Forget the brass rivets they won't do anything other than look pretty. Also I would drill the holes before rather than after the splitting process to ensure you catch the crack. If you drill after and don't clean out all of the crack end then the wood will continue splitting. I suppose in this case a bit of glued dowel would help enormously.
Love this series already! I’m not anywhere close to a luthier but I’m thinking steaming would be the easier way, but I’m sure that’s why Ben won’t steam it.
I wish Crimson would start selling neck thru blanks with various options, like with a maple fingerboard and 24 frets. Would it be possible to have a tiltback headstock design on a guitar similar to Jackson necks, but with the old 70s Fender Strat style large headstock? I have always dreamed of that combo for looks and function. In other words, would it be possible to have the large headstock on those old 70s Fender strats as a tiltback design and set up for a Floyd Rose.
I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on the hate-wagon for the 90hr build (I don't like the negativity in a lot of the comments that that series is getting) but I am enjoying this series a lot more and I think its because watching Ben work at the edge, outside his comfort zone, is really entertaining and exillerating to watch. Don't get me wrong, I very much come to this channel to learn (and I've put things I've learned here to use, sometimes in non-luthiery situations) but for entertainment value, this is where the money is. Keep doing what you're doing (everyone at Crimson)
I'm really looking forward to seeing how this will turn out in the end! Awesome work, love it! I hope it won't turn out to become a Build of Brutality, meaning the bent side pieces snap off in the process...
Thanks for doing these amazing videos. They are so inspiring, and i'm a moron when it comes to anything technical or woodworks. But i decided i will get a cheap guitar kit just to gen a basic idea, and when i know a little probably get one of those amazing crimson kits.
I dont know if it was reomended yet, but have you conciderd using brass hinges instead of using the wood as a splitting point itself? The hinges would also add some weight to the body. Greetings from Germany by the way love ure exotic builds. :)
U need to put a radius in the corner where the cut stops. Or drill a hole and cut up to it. The sharp edges will always split. The same with metal. I’m an airframes mechanic and I’m constantly making parts out of metal and it’s on of the first things you learn when fabricating it learning where the metal will crack and how to prevent it.
Thank you, you've confirmed what I thought was the case after relooking at traditional cam clamps.. The hole is offset, I just didn't know why.. Thank you so much! Btw, cool job dude! B
Another idea would be to place the spacers to hold the wood apart, then when you get it how you want it, stick it in a pressure pot (not a vacuum) and infuse the wood with resin. The resin will hold it and strengthen it, as long as you make sure to let it cure completely. Would bamboo be a workable fingerboard material? I'm starting to enjoy working with bamboo. I wonder if a bamboo veneer on the outsides of the areas that are breaking would strengthen Bob, like how bowyers add veneers on bows using hide glue. It adds a little bit of strength and support and the hide glue helps it stay flexible.
An alternative stabilization method would be cut, shape and finish the neck, split the body into slats, drill the crack-prevention holes at the end of each cut, CAREFULLY separate each slat with the wood spacers, install the pickups and other electronics then fill ALL the spaces between the body slats with clear Epoxy Resin (that way, you don't get a cloudy channel where you had to drill the Resin to run wires, the wires would already be there when you pour the Resin...Use a Slow-Set Resin so you can pour the entire Guitar in one shot), sand and Polish as normal then string it, set it up, plug it in and enjoy...
Hi, Ben. I like to think I have a reasonable amount of imagination and ability to come up with ideas and solutions to a variety of issues and projects. I totally got the copper rodded guitar (and bought one), and the Complication build, but this one, not a bloody clue. Can't wait to see the finished item. On a slightly different note, how about using that genius pool you have at Crimson to introduce a budget range? Something unique, but totally Crimson.
This build is insane... I thought the 90 hour build was crazy, but this one is certifiably mad... And I love it... Why the name BoB? As an aside, you could use it to play cricket just now lol.
The home made rivets might work, but check out tiny Cutlers Rivets from a knife making supplyhouse. I think the finish will be more consistent with the number you’re using.
I realized I was a video behind on my last post. You were asking for ideas... have you thought about shaping the fans so that it looks about like Bo Diddley's Billy Bo Jupiter Thunderbird?
Off topic, but how do you stay semi-organized with all of your projects going on? How long have you been using your wall storage solution for your hand tools?
My most used tools are always to hand and should always be where I expect them to be.. As for how long, almost from the beginning, though they used to be on the wall in front of my bench.. Say 15 years or so. B
My Dad was a boat builder, and any time the steam bent wood they used oak. Would oak be a better wood for this type of build due to the grain structure?
I think you are going about the anti split thing in a contrary manner. You should drill through either end of the wood where your three holes are and glue in some hard wood dowels. Then when you cut the wood through the dowels at alternate ends the remaining piece will be tied with the dowel which will stop it splitting. Neil McHardy guitars.
I don't think he's got an understanding of engineering just this notion of cutting holes to stop the split. In steel and metals this might be so but the 'grain' in metals is microscopic and not generally long chain unlike wood,. Wood , especially hardwood is long continuous strands which once cut like to continue to split so one has to stop the splitting by binding the strands together.
I'd be willing to bet epoxy poured into the drilled holes, prior to cutting the concertina, would mitigate the splitting problem. Epoxy machines nicely.
I understand the challenge, but why not design a CNC file to route out the pattern in the first few millimeters of a nice slab of wood, then follow the lines with a band-saw. Same way you did the neck. Remove the negative space and reinforce it how you see fit. No more tension and bending.
Ben I watched the Fine Woodworking video where this technique was featured but it seemed like most of his pieces were steamed and then bent. Is there a reason you're not going that route?
When he said “break angle”, I thought Ben was talking about the headstock. It was not until he started talking about the bridge that I realized he meant neck pitch. Of course, I also had to translate with “width” of the bridge to mounting depth.
Also, during this video, I think we got an answer as to why the 90 hour build seems so slow to everyone (besides the fact that 90 hours is a long time)... The glimpse of the 90 hour build body on the bench clearly shows it's still a work in progress and isn't that much further on than the stage we're up to in the videos... Chill Ben, you can't rush perfection...
What about pickup cavities? They'll remove a lot of wood and compromise the structural integrity of the central beam, unless you leave wood around the cavities, in which case there won't be much wood left to fan out to form the rest of the body. This certainly is an interesting build with a lot of challenges. Complications, even (pun intended).
not what you're going for I know, but why not cut loose free strips and then rivet them together to eliminate fracturing altogether ? you could maybe form them with steam in a jig that way so that they hold their shape without being under huge tension and get an outer banding too. I'll shut up now
While I'm really enjoying bob, where the hell is the 90 hr build. If you pull a Clarity build (Where you got about half way through the build and then quit uploading them to youtube.) on me I'm going to be pissed. I mean I'm still going to watch and you'll still be one of my favorite luthiers, but I'm going to be really annoyed.
Did UA-cam really only get pay off clarity? The 90 hour is a slow build and i should have waited before uploading them.. They will continue when we have enough footage to make the series pass a bit faster.. Thanks for your support! B
I would assume the build is actually done, otherwise this would be a massive exercise in seat of your pants, likely failure. I don't see you taking that on publicly without assurances that this will actually work. Nice way to parse out the suspense.
@@mykhough6614 oh, wow! Ok. I love that guy, always enjoyed his creativity and his personality. He's got some big ol' brass balls to be attempting this.
Hmm, not sure about this one. Why keep persuing an idea that is not really working? This wood is not suitable for your plan, i would say start over with a piece of wood that will do it ( ash or maple) and use this one for a more traditional neck. You might get away with your fix but without it would be so much better, imho... Btw, i the wood looks like it could be Brownheart, or Bruinhart (Vouacapoua Americana), mayby someone allready suggested that but I haven’t read all the comments.
This semmsnot to me like a new problem ... why not just cut it, bend it and glue it back together ? wood bending is not the newest of inventions is it ?
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars ah but the effect would be minimal wouldn't it, if you use a thin enough saw. But I see now the challenge you set yourself where the how is special not the looks.
Someone tweeted your video and I loved what I saw. That's how I ended up on your channel. After watching this video, I decided to subscribe to your channel because I want to see more of these videos in the future. Greetings Christofix
I just commented on your last video suggesting a way to strengthen the body. Your way is better. I have much to learn, master Ben.
15:42 That's the reason I love watching Ben create one of a kind guitars. The passion he has for them is infectious! Plus he makes learning fun!!!
You should flatten the neck after you bend the sides to shape, in case you need to use steam or hot water to bend the body curves, you wont be undoing your neck work. Enjoying the build so far!
Amazing concept. This and The Complication are inspiring and a testament to your creativity and innovation.
You’re out of my comfort zone and it’s not even my guitar haha loving this Ben, stoked to see both projects happen! I have a few dream builds underway myself, would love to show you one day as you inspired my limitless attitude to building 🤘🏻
How/why would anybody give a thumbs down? Incredible. Thanks for sharing you work. There are some incredible builders out there.✌🏻🎸🤘🏻
Probably a Competitor that can't match Ben's level of Quality/Originality/Weirdness in Guitar Builds...
I can't see it yet, but knowing Ben this is going to be awesome. keep em coming Ben
When I used to work in the aircraft industry many years a go
we used to stop drill cracks in tertiary structure, fairings and the like. The
hole stopped the crack progressing, leave it undrilled and the crack wold
continue propagating. The reason being the hole spreads out any forces around
it's circumference, rather than be concentrated in one spot. It's the hole that
does the work, not what you put in it.
If you want to put something in the hole then Neils idea two below appeals with
it's glued dowel filler rod. Forget the brass rivets they won't do anything
other than look pretty.
Also I would drill the holes before rather than after the splitting process to
ensure you catch the crack. If you drill after and don't clean out all of the
crack end then the wood will continue splitting. I suppose in this case a bit
of glued dowel would help enormously.
Damn, this is really great to watch Ben. The video when you actually bend out the shape for the first time is going to be insane.
Love this series already!
I’m not anywhere close to a luthier but I’m thinking steaming would be the easier way, but I’m sure that’s why Ben won’t steam it.
I wish Crimson would start selling neck thru blanks with various options, like with a maple fingerboard and 24 frets. Would it be possible to have a tiltback headstock design on a guitar similar to Jackson necks, but with the old 70s Fender Strat style large headstock? I have always dreamed of that combo for looks and function. In other words, would it be possible to have the large headstock on those old 70s Fender strats as a tiltback design and set up for a Floyd Rose.
Have you ever thought about making a 'river' guitar? Like those really cool river tables using resin. Loving the series :)
I love how guitar nerdy you are. It is fabulous
I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on the hate-wagon for the 90hr build (I don't like the negativity in a lot of the comments that that series is getting) but I am enjoying this series a lot more and I think its because watching Ben work at the edge, outside his comfort zone, is really entertaining and exillerating to watch.
Don't get me wrong, I very much come to this channel to learn (and I've put things I've learned here to use, sometimes in non-luthiery situations) but for entertainment value, this is where the money is.
Keep doing what you're doing (everyone at Crimson)
I'm loving this project! Keep It up!
I'm really looking forward to seeing how this will turn out in the end! Awesome work, love it! I hope it won't turn out to become a Build of Brutality, meaning the bent side pieces snap off in the process...
Great job Ben love your work I would treasure one of your guitars mate,works of art😎
Thanks for doing these amazing videos. They are so inspiring, and i'm a moron when it comes to anything technical or woodworks. But i decided i will get a cheap guitar kit just to gen a basic idea, and when i know a little probably get one of those amazing crimson kits.
I’ve been out of my comfort zone all year long Ben. You still blow my mind though hah. Good luck :)
I dont know if it was reomended yet, but have you conciderd using brass hinges instead of using the wood as a splitting point itself?
The hinges would also add some weight to the body.
Greetings from Germany by the way love ure exotic builds. :)
Ben, your builds make me quit my projected career path and become a Luthier. Can’t wait to disappoint my mom!
Interesting. Worth a try!
If it fails, you could always use the wood for trellis!
U need to put a radius in the corner where the cut stops. Or drill a hole and cut up to it. The sharp edges will always split. The same with metal. I’m an airframes mechanic and I’m constantly making parts out of metal and it’s on of the first things you learn when fabricating it learning where the metal will crack and how to prevent it.
Thank you, you've confirmed what I thought was the case after relooking at traditional cam clamps.. The hole is offset, I just didn't know why.. Thank you so much! Btw, cool job dude! B
Another idea would be to place the spacers to hold the wood apart, then when you get it how you want it, stick it in a pressure pot (not a vacuum) and infuse the wood with resin. The resin will hold it and strengthen it, as long as you make sure to let it cure completely.
Would bamboo be a workable fingerboard material? I'm starting to enjoy working with bamboo. I wonder if a bamboo veneer on the outsides of the areas that are breaking would strengthen Bob, like how bowyers add veneers on bows using hide glue. It adds a little bit of strength and support and the hide glue helps it stay flexible.
An alternative stabilization method would be cut, shape and finish the neck, split the body into slats, drill the crack-prevention holes at the end of each cut, CAREFULLY separate each slat with the wood spacers, install the pickups and other electronics then fill ALL the spaces between the body slats with clear Epoxy Resin (that way, you don't get a cloudy channel where you had to drill the Resin to run wires, the wires would already be there when you pour the Resin...Use a Slow-Set Resin so you can pour the entire Guitar in one shot), sand and Polish as normal then string it, set it up, plug it in and enjoy...
Hi, Ben. I like to think I have a reasonable amount of imagination and ability to come up with ideas and solutions to a variety of issues and projects. I totally got the copper rodded guitar (and bought one), and the Complication build, but this one, not a bloody clue. Can't wait to see the finished item. On a slightly different note, how about using that genius pool you have at Crimson to introduce a budget range? Something unique, but totally Crimson.
I agree with Glenn, something to suit us skint people please
There is something Ben builds for our kind of budget.
Aspiration.
I really want one of his guitars, but can barely afford a fret rubber.
This build is insane... I thought the 90 hour build was crazy, but this one is certifiably mad... And I love it...
Why the name BoB?
As an aside, you could use it to play cricket just now lol.
‘I’ve tidied up the coffee’... always the most important job to do.
i wonder if you need to laminate the "sections" of the body with carbon fibre to strengthen them. plus it would look badass!
Really loving this build!
The home made rivets might work, but check out tiny Cutlers Rivets from a knife making supplyhouse. I think the finish will be more consistent with the number you’re using.
I realized I was a video behind on my last post. You were asking for ideas... have you thought about shaping the fans so that it looks about like Bo Diddley's Billy Bo Jupiter Thunderbird?
Hey ben why not put some type of copper on the ends? Like a small copper sleeve.
@18:40 ISH...Plane the Carvin? Thought they were called Kiesel, nowadays...!
Boom, Tish....
I thought of another way you could make the woood fan out. When you are done I will tell you my idea.
Off topic, but how do you stay semi-organized with all of your projects going on? How long have you been using your wall storage solution for your hand tools?
My most used tools are always to hand and should always be where I expect them to be.. As for how long, almost from the beginning, though they used to be on the wall in front of my bench.. Say 15 years or so. B
Interesting idea for this build What are you going to add as binding around the outside of the final shape to Stop the guitar catching on everything?
Catching on everything? How clumsy are you?
My Dad was a boat builder, and any time the steam bent wood they used oak. Would oak be a better wood for this type of build due to the grain structure?
Ben,
Could you just fill the end of the slot with epoxy to reduce slit out?
Would it not be worth steaming this? Then you could shape it and there would be no tension?
I think you are going about the anti split thing in a contrary manner. You should drill through either end of the wood where your three holes are and glue in some hard wood dowels. Then when you cut the wood through the dowels at alternate ends the remaining piece will be tied with the dowel which will stop it splitting. Neil McHardy guitars.
Plus these could be done in the same wood, keeping a clean look. Great idea.
just saw your answer after basically commenting the exact same thing... I have absolutely the same opinion on this like you do!
Yeah, I don't think the rivets are going to resolve this weakness.
I don't think he's got an understanding of engineering just this notion of cutting holes to stop the split. In steel and metals this might be so but the 'grain' in metals is microscopic and not generally long chain unlike wood,. Wood , especially hardwood is long continuous strands which once cut like to continue to split so one has to stop the splitting by binding the strands together.
I wouldn't be without my Bosch GKF600 palm router!
would it have been a good idea to put in a volute
I'd be willing to bet epoxy poured into the drilled holes, prior to cutting the concertina, would mitigate the splitting problem. Epoxy machines nicely.
power. protection. personality
Why not make 1inch think neck blanks out of aluminum to use as clamping cauls?
Very random here but will that white strat on the wall ever get done lol its like what 3-4 years sitting there
can you do the lightning pattern with electricity on a korpus sometime?
I understand the challenge, but why not design a CNC file to route out the pattern in the first few millimeters of a nice slab of wood, then follow the lines with a band-saw. Same way you did the neck. Remove the negative space and reinforce it how you see fit. No more tension and bending.
Ben I watched the Fine Woodworking video where this technique was featured but it seemed like most of his pieces were steamed and then bent. Is there a reason you're not going that route?
I think he either forgot about the Technique or he can't Steam it without screwing up the neck...
When he said “break angle”, I thought Ben was talking about the headstock. It was not until he started talking about the bridge that I realized he meant neck pitch. Of course, I also had to translate with “width” of the bridge to mounting depth.
Good question Bruce where is the 90hr build.......??????
Also, during this video, I think we got an answer as to why the 90 hour build seems so slow to everyone (besides the fact that 90 hours is a long time)...
The glimpse of the 90 hour build body on the bench clearly shows it's still a work in progress and isn't that much further on than the stage we're up to in the videos...
Chill Ben, you can't rush perfection...
What about pickup cavities? They'll remove a lot of wood and compromise the structural integrity of the central beam, unless you leave wood around the cavities, in which case there won't be much wood left to fan out to form the rest of the body.
This certainly is an interesting build with a lot of challenges. Complications, even (pun intended).
he's enough of a craftsman to maybe eschew standard pickups altogether.
Bob...Good!
The original fine Woodworking video discusses the methods used extensively. Steam...
Lots of steam man...
something he WAS talking about then seemed to forget all about it.
outside your comfort zone IS your comfort zone
Lol, you have me pegged! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars in the zen zone
That tenon saw looks new and not a Flinn-Garlick.
what's that bridge?
4:25 It doesnt even matterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Looks rather like a cricket bat. I like it.
Steam and bend?
Workshop needs a tidy😂😂😂😂
Brass rodded?!? OK... I did not see that comming.
not what you're going for I know, but why not cut loose free strips and then rivet them together to eliminate fracturing altogether ?
you could maybe form them with steam in a jig that way so that they hold their shape without being under huge tension and get an outer banding too.
I'll shut up now
Bobs your uncle isn't he?? I swear I've heard you comment on him before Ben... LMFAO!
Building a unique custom tennis racket.
Corby bolts
why not steam?
Bob will be aswesome!
I sincerely hope so.. B
I thought he said I’m off to get a rat💀💀
While I'm really enjoying bob, where the hell is the 90 hr build. If you pull a Clarity build (Where you got about half way through the build and then quit uploading them to youtube.) on me I'm going to be pissed. I mean I'm still going to watch and you'll still be one of my favorite luthiers, but I'm going to be really annoyed.
Did UA-cam really only get pay off clarity? The 90 hour is a slow build and i should have waited before uploading them.. They will continue when we have enough footage to make the series pass a bit faster.. Thanks for your support! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars awesome, just wanted to know it's not dead
@@max_moschen agreed sir.
I still don't get what you're trying to build lol
Did you even look up the craftsman he was talking about in the first video???
Rocking horse
Did we find out why it’s called Bob?
Perhaps it stands for Ben's Original Build? Just a wild guess though...
I like Ben's Original Build.. But it was more prosaic than that.. Bend Over Backwards... 1
B.O.B ... Big Old Build (sounds right with an american accent, trust me)
Wot no volute?!!1!!?
Laura palmer is in big trouble.
19:41. Silverline dust extractor... Silverline tools, In my experience, the worst of the worst tools imaginable.
agreed, but Dude it's just a dust extractor probably only dedicated to that one band saw.
Bugga bugga boo here is a comment for you.
is Ben South African?
I would assume the build is actually done, otherwise this would be a massive exercise in seat of your pants, likely failure. I don't see you taking that on publicly without assurances that this will actually work. Nice way to parse out the suspense.
Ben was still working on it when I visited yesterday so it hasn't failed yet! Nail-biting stuff.
@@mykhough6614 oh, wow! Ok. I love that guy, always enjoyed his creativity and his personality. He's got some big ol' brass balls to be attempting this.
Hmm, not sure about this one. Why keep persuing an idea that is not really working? This wood is not suitable for your plan, i would say start over with a piece of wood that will do it ( ash or maple) and use this one for a more traditional neck. You might get away with your fix but without it would be so much better, imho...
Btw, i the wood looks like it could be Brownheart, or Bruinhart (Vouacapoua Americana), mayby someone allready suggested that but I haven’t read all the comments.
Epoxy fill it .
Перевода нет на русский?))
inanimate carbon rods would have fixed it!
This semmsnot to me like a new problem ... why not just cut it, bend it and glue it back together ? wood bending is not the newest of inventions is it ?
That's the challenge, one contiguous piece of wood.. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars ah but the effect would be minimal wouldn't it, if you use a thin enough saw. But I see now the challenge you set yourself where the how is special not the looks.