I was all in on the double fudge but just getting back from 7 broken ribs and a dislocated shoulder a few weeks ago. I think this video has convinced me that the chocolate chip will be challenging enough given the shape (or lack thereof :)) I'm likely going in at. Thanks for laying it all out!
I did chocolate chip a couple of years ago believe me it's challenging enough. I ran into Phil on a ride once and he told me he doesn't recommend anyone do double fudge
Wow great to see you’re back on the bike! That sounds like a major injury and glad you’re good. You can always start the chocolate chip and skip a climb if you’re not feeling it. Either way hope to see you there!
Hey locals, I'm coming in from out of state and I have a question. I'm signed up for the Chocolate Chip (83 mi) route but I may not have the legs to pull of all the climbing. I was thinking of bypassing *one* of the climbs along PCH. Either Encinal Canyon/Mullholand hwy or Yerba Buena/Deer Creek. If you were going to do only one of these and skip the other, which one is the better of the two? By better, I mean being able to enjoy the views and having good road surface.
Hey there! Deer creek is by far the most rewarding view and descent, you can see the ocean the entire way and it really is unique, but, it's also the steepest to get up to. With that said, Encinal is great too but really only has 1 ocean lookout, Mulholland is really pretty mountain views. So I guess if you want more Ocean view do Deer Creek, and Mountain views Encinal. Hope that helps! I'll add once you're riding alongside others, your legs just may find a new gear and you'll do it all :)
@@theorangehelmetguy Thanks so much for the reply. I appreciate the assist. I've seen Safa Brian's video of the Deer Creek descent so I knew the view there would be epic. I just didn't know what I'd be missing on the other climb. Thanks for making this video!
Hi there, so the sugar cookie parts are in this video too :) Basically you'll go up Decker Wall, then straight down Mulholland then it's exactly the same, so in this video skip the Latigo and Encinal part and that's the Sugar Cookie
can see the farmlands from my backyard; the cookie fondos seem like great ride(s), those climbs would make the cookies worthwhile, but, my legs are beginning to cramp thinking about the effort; learned a while back that the man Phil G. also went to the University of Florida ...
For an amateur cyclist, how brutal is the chocolate chip route? I’ve done rides of 85 miles with less climbing (think Tour de Palm Springs and longer, less steep climbs in Colorado), but I’m a bit intimidated for this route. Doable or should I do the sugar cookie?
like everything, it’s all about pace. If you have the fitness to do 85+ mile rides you have the legs for this and you’ll probably regret doing the sugar and wish you did more. both go up decker and portrero, so both routes hit the steepest parts anyway. You could always start with the chocolate chip route and skip Encinal and go straight to yerba, that takes one climb out, I believe a handful of people do that.
I don’t know if the fondo has partnered with anyone but you can give Serious Cycling in Thousand oaks a call or Trek in Westlake. They got demos depending on your size.
Nice! first time attending. Looking forward to it! Get it!
Nice video Harrison! You highlighted our local climbs really well!
Really well done video
thanks! will you be out there?
Thanks for the route breakdown! Very well done 🤙🏻
First time rider at the Phils cookie fondo and excited for the incredible challenge. 🥵💯🚴🏼🤙🏻😎
awesome! See you out there!
Great video Harrison. Try to not get me crying this year. 🤦♂️
no promises LOL! See you out there
I was all in on the double fudge but just getting back from 7 broken ribs and a dislocated shoulder a few weeks ago. I think this video has convinced me that the chocolate chip will be challenging enough given the shape (or lack thereof :)) I'm likely going in at. Thanks for laying it all out!
I did chocolate chip a couple of years ago believe me it's challenging enough. I ran into Phil on a ride once and he told me he doesn't recommend anyone do double fudge
Wow great to see you’re back on the bike! That sounds like a major injury and glad you’re good.
You can always start the chocolate chip and skip a climb if you’re not feeling it. Either way hope to see you there!
double fudge takes a special type of person haha
Bruno Mars riding bikes? :). Loved the presentation. I will do this next year.
best comment ever!! Thank you!
Hey locals, I'm coming in from out of state and I have a question. I'm signed up for the Chocolate Chip (83 mi) route but I may not have the legs to pull of all the climbing. I was thinking of bypassing *one* of the climbs along PCH. Either Encinal Canyon/Mullholand hwy or Yerba Buena/Deer Creek. If you were going to do only one of these and skip the other, which one is the better of the two? By better, I mean being able to enjoy the views and having good road surface.
Hey there! Deer creek is by far the most rewarding view and descent, you can see the ocean the entire way and it really is unique, but, it's also the steepest to get up to. With that said, Encinal is great too but really only has 1 ocean lookout, Mulholland is really pretty mountain views. So I guess if you want more Ocean view do Deer Creek, and Mountain views Encinal. Hope that helps! I'll add once you're riding alongside others, your legs just may find a new gear and you'll do it all :)
@@theorangehelmetguy Thanks so much for the reply. I appreciate the assist. I've seen Safa Brian's video of the Deer Creek descent so I knew the view there would be epic. I just didn't know what I'd be missing on the other climb. Thanks for making this video!
How did you know those were my exact words on Potrero last year?!
haha you weren't alone haha
Thanks for this! Riding first time this year. Do you have one for the Sugar Cookie?
Hi there, so the sugar cookie parts are in this video too :) Basically you'll go up Decker Wall, then straight down Mulholland then it's exactly the same, so in this video skip the Latigo and Encinal part and that's the Sugar Cookie
@@theorangehelmetguy very helpful!!!
can see the farmlands from my backyard; the cookie fondos seem like great ride(s), those climbs would make the cookies worthwhile, but, my legs are beginning to cramp thinking about the effort; learned a while back that the man Phil G. also went to the University of Florida ...
that's awesome! You should throw mini cookies at everyone as we pass by haha
For an amateur cyclist, how brutal is the chocolate chip route? I’ve done rides of 85 miles with less climbing (think Tour de Palm Springs and longer, less steep climbs in Colorado), but I’m a bit intimidated for this route. Doable or should I do the sugar cookie?
like everything, it’s all about pace. If you have the fitness to do 85+ mile rides you have the legs for this and you’ll probably regret doing the sugar and wish you did more. both go up decker and portrero, so both routes hit the steepest parts anyway.
You could always start with the chocolate chip route and skip Encinal and go straight to yerba, that takes one climb out, I believe a handful of people do that.
@@theorangehelmetguythanks so much!
Any recommendations for bike rental for the ride?
I don’t know if the fondo has partnered with anyone but you can give Serious Cycling in Thousand oaks a call or Trek in Westlake. They got demos depending on your size.
@@theorangehelmetguy thanks!!