You know what's weird about this. Even when Arsenal were the best team in the premier league back in the early 2000's they would always struggle going to white Hart lane to get a result. Now it's 3 point lane for them 😔
50 years supporting spurs at least i remember gascoigne goal at Wembley in 1991 and winning the cup. OH happy days we had a good team then with terry venables
If Son had Solanke and Brennan's chances, just imagine how many goals we can get. We are currently playing individual game when it comes to final third.
Tottenham had total 63 shots so far in last 4 games and Son had only 6 shots of which he had scored 2. If we don't change our strategy to get Son more chances, we don't have a better chance of winning. Having Son to hug the line is like pushing your best shooter out of the game. sON HAD 1 shot at 95th minute which he tried to create a chance for himself. No thanks to his teammates.
The highest xG player being used as a decoy, while players who should focus on defense are being used as attackers? It makes me laugh! Is this the big picture for the team's future? 😂😂😂
All other issues aside, not even talking about tactics or game plan, the main thing I don't understand with Ange is why he likes Timo and Brenan so much that he even starts Brenan when we have someone line Odobert and he would resign Timo. Even if you don't talk tactics, in what top 10 team would anyone want those two as starting wingers in the Prem?
Fr and he seems like he really like Maddison, I would give Maddison a few games rest give Bergvall and Gray game time in the midfield, because i believe that they can turn the spurs team around
@@gunner4life568 but they don't use their speed. If they use their speed by taking their man on and getting a decent pass to the middle, I wouldn't be wondering this.
Brennan should only come off the bench. Deki on the right with freedom. Son corner of the box. Missing Biss is a big loss and in that case Sarr needs to start.
LOOL apart from the first 6 months what has deki actually contributed the blokes a number 10 and not a very good. Sack the manager sack the board sell the football club and start again. ENIC can’t even sell the naming rights to a billion pound stadium absolutely disgraceful.
Chelsea fan here. We all look with envy at your stadium compared to ours, and the extra income you get from it. BUT why hasn't it really been any benefit to you on the pitch ? I don't believe we need a bigger stadium if the extra revenue isn't used to improve the team. Any opinions on this ? Cheers
I'd say most of our fan base agrees. there are those who get to enjoy the stadium on a regulare basis, but for the vast majority of the fans, we'd like to see more investment on the pitch than around it or over it.
Johnson, Richarlson, Werner, Dragusin doesn't play; Solanke struggling to finish; You can't just keep wasting money on limited players. Spend a little more and get stars.
@@benjib8977thanks for your reply mate and all the others Does anyone know where the extra income is going ? We at Chelsea were worried that you lot would start buying the best top quality players and push on . But , it seems that you've spent on some good players, but really the type you would have bought anyway while at WHL ? Not that spending £100m on bang average players like we have has done us any good ! I'd love a stadium like yours, but not if it's not going to benefit the football team. Anyway, 40,000 is enough for a Europa Conference League team like us ! Thanks again to everyone.
2 hands and push on back means nothing. Just like last season when Newcastle goal counted against arsenal with a push on the back on Gabriel You’re allowed to do that now. Rules changed last season. No way it can rule that out
Whilst I love Ange and all the positivity he has brought to Spurs, the team look they are desperate to score from anywhere due to to the high line. They know they are going to concede goals, so there is a mad incohesive, disjointed rush forward from Spurs to try and score every time which they are not capable of doing. Tactically inept at the mo, and certainly can't defend. I'm not sure what Ange's tactics are anymore.
We had good opportunities, particularly in the first half, especially from turnovers or counterattacks, goals against Arsenal's defense must come in those situations, inadvertant missed pass and before the defense can set plenty of open space and open players, otherwise they are just too solid when in formation. Somehow all the attacking players keep making crappy decisions or take too much time when moving forwards and 'let' the defense take shape, noone seems to have the vision and poise to make a good timely decision. which was baffling. Not sure if thats on them or the manager calling for a very particular build up play style.. Bad teams would eventually fold from the relentless attacking pressure, like they did vs Celtic and the barrage of shots on goal on most days but Arsenal has one of the leagues best defense, Tottenham could barely even get shots off, they looked more nervous attacking than Arsenal looked defending!
Sack the manager sack the board sell the football club and start again. ENIC can’t even sell the naming rights to a billion pound stadium absolutely disgraceful.
Once again, we suffer from cheaping out. Raya is a superior GK to Vicario. We went for the cheaper option, and look what happened. Vicario is good, but Raya is better, and is homegrown.
Like Recent Spurs Managers , Ange Has Inherited Players That Just Dont Fit The System at all Levy/Enic have bought a load of cheap rubbish players that every manger has to deal with and therefore it’s almost impossible to get them out the club , I don’t think Ange imo had any choice on Werner as he probably was told about the budget before the season , just remember Ange wasn’t first choice so while the club was interviewing candidates , the johnson deal was going ahead regardless who was coming in A Club signing imo , Ange wanted deals done early , but was force to wait two weeks before the season started to sign solanke who wasn’t involved in any football during the summer That says A lot , we were never gonna sign players the calibre of Toney , Eze , Gyokeres Or Any other player who is on the rise we just seem to be linked all the time with said player it’s just smoke and mirrors from the Enic publicity machine To get the season tickets in
Need a complete clear out from top to bottom, ENIC and Mr Lewis have took us as far as they possibly could and should have sold the club 5/6 years ago, Saudi investors looking to invest in spurs if Daniel levy and Joe Lewis care about spurs they will sell up and watch us as fans, ange isn't good enough tactically inept, no plan B and refuses to change his ways, we were never gonna win yesterday arteta and arsenal done a number on us I'm afraid
Doesn't matter what style you play if you don't end up scoring a goal. very simple. The fans are backing Tottenham; look at how much they spend for tickets.
As an Arsenal supporter, I don't think you would've broken us down, but I honestly don't understand why Ange won't change up his tactics (it will get him sacked if he doesn't) and why Spurs didn't sign Toney instead of Solanke. Solanke is good, but Toney is proper good. He really should stop pushing both his FBs into midfield, as well.
As a tottenham fan, I think you're correct about not breaking you down. Defensive unit, you guys were quality, everyone of you worked hard ! but Toney is very good, but he's 29 and has a massive ego! The disrespect he's shown Brentford is appalling! Dnt want that attitude
Solanke is the best Presser in the league, One of the most important abilities for Ange's system. He will be good for us, just need to get that match fitness into him.
Happens every year we sign a few players to just about please the fans and then we then get found out against any sort of decent opposition, always should’ve gone all out for Eze 🤧
Worse team I've witnessed since Gerry Francis era. The possession is an illusion because thats how the opposition wants us. There is no substance to our attacks, just side and back passes, no defence splitting passes, no accuracy in crosses, no clever runs, no creativity, just boring possession. The raw data looks bad, the question is do we believe that Ange can learn fast enough and improve to a top 4 premiership level? the players don't inspire confidence. I would rather he throw the dice and start with the kids. Johnson, Solanke, Maddison, not good enough, bottom league players. We do not have any proven elite players apart from Romero and even he looks bad in this team.
We Have No Genuine out and out Wingers who come straight into the starting Eleven , the Werner signing was a telling one in which told me that levy / Enic were not gonna spend the required amount of money to solve that position , the Johnson signing , like richarlison were both from clubs that had ffp worries and levy wrongly took advantage by signing those players , should’ve bought gibbs-white instead of johnson
Romero was pushed in the back by the goal scorer just as he won the header... That is a FOUL...Paul Merson saw it and said that the goal should have been dis allowed.. How could Romero have defended...as he was falling forward ?
nope same thing happened to gabriel at newcastle last season and mers and redknapp didnt see anything wrong with that one and it was way worse if your trying to say you lost because of a foul thats a straw clutch my friend i get your emotional after losing to us but come on if thats a foul we should just stop playing or watching football
100%. As long as the call is consistent i don't mind too much, but unfortnately if Romero goes down, its whistled. Romero not embellishing cost us a point. Refs encourage this by the way they officiate.
@@ryancouture1436 well gabriel went to ground and no foul was given so i think referees have shot thenselves in the foot because all the bs calls theyve made against arsenal they have to do it against other teams aswell or they will be questioned on consistency they should have been fair snd unbiased from the start which is their job
With the added fullbacks in attack and how many attacking players we have, we are over complicating the play because there are too many options! So when son or brennan are one on one with defenders they have a nice easy option to pass inside and then the inside receiver has a nice and easy pass next to him and all we do is play around the box and nothing penetrative because it's easier to give the open pass on the edge whilst the opposition just pack the box and allow us knock the ball and round and do nothing ! And vicario holds on top the ball for too long now!! He needs to be quicker, he allows the team to push up and man Mark whilst he's messing around trying to find a sneaky pass which normally ends up at van de vens feet under pressure !! And I am finding maddison needs to speed up the play as well! Takes too long on the ball! And my last moan is why on earth did we not buy a proper ball winning midfielder of high quality
If odo keeps playing, he'll come good. Already does a lot more than Johnson at 19. one more poor Johnson game and he starts for me. Also, Romero is on thin ice as well. He has two or three more bad games for him to lose his spot to Radu.
We were never in control of that game Arsenal are too good to be controlled can’t we all see that and stop this? Knocking us down. It will get better we got to get behind everyone involved. Arsenal gave us respect in the way they played doesn’t that say something to everybody who’s moaning.
Our football is never about control, I think control is a by product and what we do doesn't have to be that. What Ange wants is fight for the ball and then score with it. Its just simple, fast paced transition ball, we currently don't play it great and looks very control esque. If we play great, it would be a joy to watch. You just put balls in and score, win balls high and score. It's pathetic our players give fuck all at this point. But even they will fall in line if we give Ange time.
Looks like we are two players short when we are attacking the box. We are masters of passing around the back four without movement up front so no penetration. Very poor.
I think we should let Ange have the full season even if end up finishing 16th in the league. If we do that, we will get a trophy next season, but will our fans do that, absolutely not. We will create a toxic state for Ange and he will be sacked and we will start praising the next manager and then let him down again. For a change, we need to trust the manager and stop giving our players free reign. If Romero is slacking, get dragusin in. If maddison is bad, give bergval a chance. If bissouma isn't doing it right, then give Archie the chance. we will only start winning things once we learn the take the good, bad and the ugly. Right now it's only bad, I can take the ugly as well, but if we do that we will come out shining, will any of our fans do that? Absolutely not. Look at arsenal, 5 years trohyless, yet Arteta is being given an extension, that's how you run a club, not sack people on a whim and just wish you hit jackpot next time. When we do that it's called gambling, our fans just love gambling, a new slot machine everytime they don't have their way. We are a pathetic bunch. If the club has to change, then we fans have to change. We can't just always expect pretty things on a high tower and cry fowl when anything bad happens. You always get the good with the bad, embrace it and you will come shining. Gold doesn't shine in its ore form, its still good gold, but just with a lot more ugly. Take it, refine it, process it, it shines for an eternity.
Ừ want best example? Look at Sonny at the Emirates last year! 2 goals from playing as a 9! When he played as hug the line wingers, we are shit! This coach needs to be fired! He never think about changing! He is even worse than Conte!
You WILL NOT see any genuine PROGRESS ….., unless and until … we SELL SONNY He has been a liability for the majority of the time since Conte’s 2nd season The problem is, he is the Captain & that’s the biggest mistake ANGE made.
Arteta & Howe are a few seasons ahead of Ange in their team rebuilding to win the Prem & not there yet . Ange has only just started . Most of his signings will adapt to his system , but there will be 1 or 2 who won’t & get moved on in Jan or next summer . That’s how it goes . We played well against both teams , losing narrowly .
He should be commanding his box and positioning his players where he wants them or just running thru them and clearing them up thats what top goalies do vicario is a reflex shot stopper and quite a good one but he has no box control or leadership thats why you conceded the most set peices
I agree that Son as an out and out winger or as an out and out striker doesn’t get the best out of him. Maybe Udogie can overlap to allow Son be in his best position. We are doing great in general play, just have to stop the switching off at the back and find far better solutions, belief and conviction around the box.
Maassssive over reaction by this fan base. Let Ange cook. The foundations are there. We just need that one or two attacking players to give us that sharp edge. We needed to rid of deadwood and build some depth with quality young players. Let’s see where the squad is after the next two windows when we don’t have to dilute the money over numerous players.
Regarding my earlier post... start with Vicario, Spence, Dragusin, VdV, Davies, Bissouma (if fit), Bergvall, Kulu, Son Solanke and Johnson on Wednesday. That front line needs time to work together, so keep them in. In response to the "Why Werner?" question, perhaps he's just a stop-gap until we can get the player we want (hopefully already approached) in January or next summer. Who knows?
Ben and Sim are asking for changes or tweaks ange doesn't do that he will keep playing his way there is no changing that's how the system he wants to play with touch the line wingers. He won't change your asking him to do something that he has never done or has in track record of doing he won't change his way.
Same old BS all the time i resided that after pochettino got sacked because he wasn't backed in the summer 2019 after getting to the CL final that winning under Enic is not going to happen cause its not in there interest to do so!
Ben and Sim spot on about Sonny. But Ange will not change and would probably rather replace him with a winger that suits his style. Son will leave Spurs if win a cup. He will also leave if Spurs don’t win a cup. I don’t see any parallel universe where Son stays beyond next summer. That might be best for both parties.
Our problem against Gooners were we revert back as we played against Leicester.... where we used Son on the left. Son played better, his footwork were fantastic but we needed to have Sonny through the middle. We need goals in the first half.... it's just we can't settle our game down because we're forever behind and on the back foot. We must stop being nice guys on the pitch.
Artettas first 2 years where back to back 8th position's. All these ange out fans think the positive fans don't see all the issues we do but I think this will work in the end
People are quick to point the first two seasons of Arteta but forget to mention he came in the middle of the season in his first season and in his second season covid hit and they could do business normally
SONNY - needs to be sold BUY ===> McNEIL from Everton • JOHNSON - is an impact sub UPGRADE STARTER NEEDED Try ==== >> MIKEY MOORE BUY ===>> MBUEMO from Brentford •
Playing too obvious formation is the key failure. Every team now puts double lined defense whenever playing with us. Players keep on the defense trap, there is space to create the chances rather keep passing around the ball around the box.
Poro, BJ, and Kulu had shots 4 times. Poro shots for 6 times from the previous games. Capitalized zero. Who is making the goal for us now?? Whenever put Sunny on the center, no one is able to pass to him since we are not making the spaces. To sad but Angie’s ball is not working out.
"We're just such a blunt knife." A little blunt, maybe, but your bluntness against Arsenal had a lot to do with the fact that they played ten men behind the ball, thirty yards from their own goal, throughout the entire match. They parked the bus, and they won 1-0 on a set piece goal that should've been disallowed. Chin up, Spurs fan.
Look, I'm as frustrated as anybody. Spurs have ruined my week once again, whatever happens at Coventry, but I'm truly sick and tired of all the online abuse, insults and misguided tactical "nous" from online podcasts and twitter posts. Have we started poorly? Resounding yes. Is it hopeless? Resounding no. Do I personally think we'll get it right? Yes I do. We are 4 games into a new season. That's all that matters. Dragging up stats from last year is meaningless. This is pretty much a completely new squad that needs to gel, but more importantly, a squad that needs to develop a ruthlessness and killer instinct that just isn't there yet. "Ange Out!" is a ludicrous and futile petition. There's simply nobody out there who is available anyway. Be careful what you wish for. All of that said, there's no doubt in my mind that Johnson should be dropped and quite possibly Son as well. No doubt we'll see changes on Wednesday, but that front 3 should stay the same for now, not only for confidence but also as a kick up the arse. No rest until you perform the way we expect you to. Yes there are flaws, but we played reasonably well overall yesterday. Sadly, it wasn't quite good enough. Indeed, there's an argument that the goal shouldn't have been allowed, which would be a pointless argument to get into. Lose against Coventry and it will only make things worse unfortunately.
@@robinblick9375 Someone's gotta do it mate. But here's a comeback for you: in the immortal words of Frank Sinatra, "But it's so easy looking at the game the morning after, Knowing how you'd play it if the chance to play it over ever came, But then, a Monday morning quarterback never lost a game"
@@robinblick9375 Fair point, but I have a comeback for you: In the words of the immortal Frank Sinatra, "But it's so easy looking at the game the morning after, Knowing how you'd play it if the chance to play it over ever came, But then, a Monday morning quarterback never lost a game". And just one more thing... Mark Twain was absolutely right. Did I say I believed? I am simply reserving judgment because 4 games is not a sufficient sample size with a renovated squad. But at the same time, I will never sit here slagging off the club I love.
We need to convert our chances, it's as simple as that. If we score on one of those point blank chances we had in the first half, it's an entirely different game. Tough to win when you aren't finishing your chances. I feel like we aren't quite in sync yet, but that it's going to come. The players need to believe. The supporters need to be patient.
Invert the forwards, keep the fullbacks wide and launch early crosses into the box, rather than crossing from the byline. That would be my solution to our low block kryptonite. Currently, we tiki-taka our way up the field, get stuffed by the low block and spend our time controlling the ball around the perimeter of the opponents defensive shape. We need to mix it up and look to play on the counter using the shape described above. However, this team lacks grit, with the exception of a couple players - Mourinho and Conte both commented on it. Like Ben stated, our knife can't cut steak and periodically playing on the counter may not be enough to sharpen it. Ange needs to kick these players in the butt, get them performing and sharpen the knife.
Re Son, you boys were going on and on at start of the season about Son being best at Wing.. Now you're saying he doesn't suit being a winger in this system! Truth is blind freddy could see that Sonny would never work in this system at wing. He is a CF in this system at least. The fans and management misread the problem when they were pushing for a striker. As FourFourTwo analysed end of last season, we desperately needed 2 tricky wingers to trouble low blocks. We bought 1 although he is 19 and another LW, and spunked most of our budget in Solanke even though we already had Richy and Sonny who last season were both ruthless in front of goal. That huge fee spent of Solanke was better spent on a tricky right winger such as Raphinha or Bakayoko.
So sick of this shit. Was boycotting this season but got a last minute ticket for £100, wtf was I thinking?! Awful performance. Players like Johnson and Werner are simply not good enough, remember when we had Son, Kane and Bale? And we needed Eze in ffs. LEVYOUT
That’s what happens when u have missing or the weakest of links. Only as strong as ur weakest link. The whole fucking team needs more experience. Even angr. Everyone needs to hustling like the top hustler. No slacking. Play with confidence n give it everything. And maybe we will be able to salvage this season. Injuries should not happen if u stretch everyday.
Signings have been so poor this past summer. None of those players improve our team. I would have preferred no signings and kept some of the players we released.
In defense of Romero, he has not been shocking. Has he been at his best? absolutely not, but one poor moment per game is not shocking. Romero still played relatively well, and with proper support will only improve over the next few games.
Tottenham, Angie , I wonder they analyze for the last season Arsenal’s game ? Not study at all ?? At least can bing the Kane & Son duo tactics could be won this game . The tactics are not have in the game . All players not even know how to pass to be score or how to make space for shooters breakthrough defense. Solanke , he got perfect pass from Son , why he cannot shoot directly ? What reason for” pause”? Sarr- , why he did not pass to Son to be better shoot ? - that moment has good space to shooting for Son ! Why blow off ? Hard to makes chances and busy for the blew off ! All game does not have tactics for Son can be shoot . Solanke , he have to move around flexibly.. ahh. All teams do it know how to move each other flexibly! No dynamics- Son is best finisher but don’t have to be in game plan! All have to remember soccer can be play alone . Look Arsenal- they try to shoot one goal , every one knows how to play it. How many years Tottenham learn from this lessons?
Tottenham are currently a reflection of the type of players we buy. We shop at the same old supermarkets lol The wage structure needs to allow players in the range of 200K to 350K mark, Still no guarantees but big clubs pay the wages and keep doing it until they get it right. Spurs dont need to be successful on the pitch to be successful off the pitch and the football side is a "like to have instead of a must have attitude". We will probably finish 6th or 7th which is how i felt when the season started and we will make the Europa league final.
I am not ange out, however i will remind everyone that ange only took the tottenham job when no one else wanted the job. We have two good wingers in kulusexy and son who like to come inside and yet we never changed tactics our fullbacks never go on the outside. If son and johnson come inside and the fullbacks go outside we achieve the same shape because our fullbacks are so high anyway. The substitutions were diabolical timo for maddison. I am not ange out and i hope he can turn it around but there are so many fixable issues that are as clear as day.
It’s time to drop Johnson for more than one game. The players don’t trust them and keep refusing to play him in when he’s best option cause he had no final product
That's not entirely true. Ange's system is about taking chances even if it means losing possession. And if they do lose possession, he wants them to press to get the ball back. But he wants his players to take chances even if it means potentially losing the ball. That's why all the players in the interviews say he trusts us to try again even if it means potentially losing the ball.
Why is there this obsession with sacking a manager with Tottenham's vocal fan base? It's only 4 games into a new season, with new players, and a proven successful manager, who is trying to implement a positive game style. Give the guy a chance FFS!
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You know what's weird about this. Even when Arsenal were the best team in the premier league back in the early 2000's they would always struggle going to white Hart lane to get a result. Now it's 3 point lane for them 😔
30 years supporting spurs..fed up of same crap
57 years for me 😒
Feel sorry for ya mate. Haha.
This could be like Gerry Francis season
You're the bravest human being alive..WOW!
At least you watched us win trophies
Son has wasted his career at Spurs, could gone to other clubs.
no check his bank or status in korea he has made his self a legend at spurs showing loyalty shame other are not like him
He's club legend and a Korean superstar.
Like Arsenal
he wouldn't be a top player on a really good club
And he couldn't have done that at other clubs, Like Jordan Henderson, Vincent Kompany or even Mo Salah?
50 years supporting spurs at least i remember gascoigne goal at Wembley in 1991 and winning the cup. OH happy days we had a good team then with terry venables
If Son had Solanke and Brennan's chances, just imagine how many goals we can get. We are currently playing individual game when it comes to final third.
If Son got this chance yesterday then no way he would score. He is against top defense in the leage.
Tottenham had total 63 shots so far in last 4 games and Son had only 6 shots of which he had scored 2. If we don't change our strategy to get Son more chances, we don't have a better chance of winning. Having Son to hug the line is like pushing your best shooter out of the game. sON HAD 1 shot at 95th minute which he tried to create a chance for himself. No thanks to his teammates.
Son should be fitting in as the new kane as a 9.5 and not trying to fit in as the 26 year old sonny
Tbf you celebrated like you won the league last year
Sonny looks like he's playing for the money thes3 days
Kane had the record of headers before he left. Son has no areal precence and no hold upp play. Not Ange fault. @@GU_WOP_O
1000000% agree
The highest xG player being used as a decoy, while players who should focus on defense are being used as attackers? It makes me laugh! Is this the big picture for the team's future? 😂😂😂
All other issues aside, not even talking about tactics or game plan, the main thing I don't understand with Ange is why he likes Timo and Brenan so much that he even starts Brenan when we have someone line Odobert and he would resign Timo. Even if you don't talk tactics, in what top 10 team would anyone want those two as starting wingers in the Prem?
Fr and he seems like he really like Maddison, I would give Maddison a few games rest give Bergvall and Gray game time in the midfield, because i believe that they can turn the spurs team around
Maybe it's because they are very quick
@@gunner4life568 but they don't use their speed. If they use their speed by taking their man on and getting a decent pass to the middle, I wouldn't be wondering this.
Brennan should only come off the bench. Deki on the right with freedom. Son corner of the box. Missing Biss is a big loss and in that case Sarr needs to start.
I think Odabeart (however you spell it) should’ve started Kulu Gray and Bergvall should’ve started and bren a super sub
LOOL apart from the first 6 months what has deki actually contributed the blokes a number 10 and not a very good.
Sack the manager sack the board sell the football club and start again.
ENIC can’t even sell the naming rights to a billion pound stadium absolutely disgraceful.
Chelsea fan here. We all look with envy at your stadium compared to ours, and the extra income you get from it.
BUT why hasn't it really been any benefit to you on the pitch ?
I don't believe we need a bigger stadium if the extra revenue isn't used to improve the team.
Any opinions on this ?
Cheers
I'd say most of our fan base agrees. there are those who get to enjoy the stadium on a regulare basis, but for the vast majority of the fans, we'd like to see more investment on the pitch than around it or over it.
I ask myself the same question every day and the only thing I can blame is the ENIC/Levy
Johnson, Richarlson, Werner, Dragusin doesn't play; Solanke struggling to finish; You can't just keep wasting money on limited players. Spend a little more and get stars.
@@benjib8977thanks for your reply mate and all the others
Does anyone know where the extra income is going ?
We at Chelsea were worried that you lot would start buying the best top quality players and push on .
But , it seems that you've spent on some good players, but really the type you would have bought anyway while at WHL ? Not that spending £100m on bang average players like we have has done us any good !
I'd love a stadium like yours, but not if it's not going to benefit the football team.
Anyway, 40,000 is enough for a Europa Conference League team like us !
Thanks again to everyone.
Spurs has no crosser, yes, I'm talking to you Maddison, Benta. Possession means shit if you can't score.
2 hands and push on back means nothing. Just like last season when Newcastle goal counted against arsenal with a push on the back on Gabriel
You’re allowed to do that now. Rules changed last season. No way it can rule that out
Whilst I love Ange and all the positivity he has brought to Spurs, the team look they are desperate to score from anywhere due to to the high line. They know they are going to concede goals, so there is a mad incohesive, disjointed rush forward from Spurs to try and score every time which they are not capable of doing. Tactically inept at the mo, and certainly can't defend. I'm not sure what Ange's tactics are anymore.
What is their to love? He's a disaster. But our opponents must do.
We had good opportunities, particularly in the first half, especially from turnovers or counterattacks, goals against Arsenal's defense must come in those situations, inadvertant missed pass and before the defense can set plenty of open space and open players, otherwise they are just too solid when in formation. Somehow all the attacking players keep making crappy decisions or take too much time when moving forwards and 'let' the defense take shape, noone seems to have the vision and poise to make a good timely decision. which was baffling. Not sure if thats on them or the manager calling for a very particular build up play style.. Bad teams would eventually fold from the relentless attacking pressure, like they did vs Celtic and the barrage of shots on goal on most days but Arsenal has one of the leagues best defense, Tottenham could barely even get shots off, they looked more nervous attacking than Arsenal looked defending!
Sack the manager sack the board sell the football club and start again.
ENIC can’t even sell the naming rights to a billion pound stadium absolutely disgraceful.
That’s it you got it👍
Once again, we suffer from cheaping out. Raya is a superior GK to Vicario. We went for the cheaper option, and look what happened. Vicario is good, but Raya is better, and is homegrown.
Like Recent Spurs Managers , Ange Has Inherited Players That Just Dont Fit The System at all Levy/Enic have bought a load of cheap rubbish players that every manger has to deal with and therefore it’s almost impossible to get them out the club , I don’t think Ange imo had any choice on Werner as he probably was told about the budget before the season , just remember Ange wasn’t first choice so while the club was interviewing candidates , the johnson deal was going ahead regardless who was coming in
A Club signing imo , Ange wanted deals done early , but was force to wait two weeks before the season started to sign solanke who wasn’t involved in any football during the summer That says A lot , we were never gonna sign players the calibre of Toney , Eze , Gyokeres Or Any other player who is on the rise we just seem to be linked all the time with said player it’s just smoke and mirrors from the Enic publicity machine
To get the season tickets in
Need a complete clear out from top to bottom, ENIC and Mr Lewis have took us as far as they possibly could and should have sold the club 5/6 years ago, Saudi investors looking to invest in spurs if Daniel levy and Joe Lewis care about spurs they will sell up and watch us as fans, ange isn't good enough tactically inept, no plan B and refuses to change his ways, we were never gonna win yesterday arteta and arsenal done a number on us I'm afraid
No one wants the ball in the final third.
I don't get it. Porror has more shots than Sonny right now.
Doesn't matter what style you play if you don't end up scoring a goal. very simple. The fans are backing Tottenham; look at how much they spend for tickets.
As an Arsenal supporter, I don't think you would've broken us down, but I honestly don't understand why Ange won't change up his tactics (it will get him sacked if he doesn't) and why Spurs didn't sign Toney instead of Solanke. Solanke is good, but Toney is proper good. He really should stop pushing both his FBs into midfield, as well.
As a tottenham fan, I think you're correct about not breaking you down. Defensive unit, you guys were quality, everyone of you worked hard ! but Toney is very good, but he's 29 and has a massive ego! The disrespect he's shown Brentford is appalling! Dnt want that attitude
So that is why Arteta didn't want to sign him , he is trouble in so many ways . Which is unfortunate as he's a good footballer .
Was always ambitious playing x2 10s
okay, but how did the 2 inverted fbs cost us? The goal was scored on a corner with both fbs in the box.
Solanke is the best Presser in the league, One of the most important abilities for Ange's system. He will be good for us, just need to get that match fitness into him.
Happens every year we sign a few players to just about please the fans and then we then get found out against any sort of decent opposition, always should’ve gone all out for Eze 🤧
Worse team I've witnessed since Gerry Francis era. The possession is an illusion because thats how the opposition wants us. There is no substance to our attacks, just side and back passes, no defence splitting passes, no accuracy in crosses, no clever runs, no creativity, just boring possession. The raw data looks bad, the question is do we believe that Ange can learn fast enough and improve to a top 4 premiership level? the players don't inspire confidence. I would rather he throw the dice and start with the kids. Johnson, Solanke, Maddison, not good enough, bottom league players. We do not have any proven elite players apart from Romero and even he looks bad in this team.
So is the issue more like an Ange issue vs the players ?
We Have No Genuine out and out Wingers who come straight into the starting Eleven , the Werner signing was a telling one in which told me that levy / Enic were not gonna spend the required amount of money to solve that position , the Johnson signing , like richarlison were both from clubs that had ffp worries and levy wrongly took advantage by signing those players , should’ve bought gibbs-white instead of johnson
is Ange really really a good manager in EPL ? or he is just good for non EPL
Romero was pushed in the back by the goal scorer just as he won the header... That is a FOUL...Paul Merson saw it and said that the goal should have been dis allowed..
How could Romero have defended...as he was falling forward ?
nope same thing happened to gabriel at newcastle last season and mers and redknapp didnt see anything wrong with that one and it was way worse if your trying to say you lost because of a foul thats a straw clutch my friend i get your emotional after losing to us but come on if thats a foul we should just stop playing or watching football
100%. As long as the call is consistent i don't mind too much, but unfortnately if Romero goes down, its whistled. Romero not embellishing cost us a point. Refs encourage this by the way they officiate.
@@ryancouture1436 well gabriel went to ground and no foul was given so i think referees have shot thenselves in the foot because all the bs calls theyve made against arsenal they have to do it against other teams aswell or they will be questioned on consistency they should have been fair snd unbiased from the start which is their job
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With the added fullbacks in attack and how many attacking players we have, we are over complicating the play because there are too many options! So when son or brennan are one on one with defenders they have a nice easy option to pass inside and then the inside receiver has a nice and easy pass next to him and all we do is play around the box and nothing penetrative because it's easier to give the open pass on the edge whilst the opposition just pack the box and allow us knock the ball and round and do nothing ! And vicario holds on top the ball for too long now!! He needs to be quicker, he allows the team to push up and man Mark whilst he's messing around trying to find a sneaky pass which normally ends up at van de vens feet under pressure !! And I am finding maddison needs to speed up the play as well! Takes too long on the ball! And my last moan is why on earth did we not buy a proper ball winning midfielder of high quality
If odo keeps playing, he'll come good. Already does a lot more than Johnson at 19. one more poor Johnson game and he starts for me. Also, Romero is on thin ice as well. He has two or three more bad games for him to lose his spot to Radu.
We were never in control of that game Arsenal are too good to be controlled can’t we all see that and stop this? Knocking us down. It will get better we got to get behind everyone involved. Arsenal gave us respect in the way they played doesn’t that say something to everybody who’s moaning.
Spurs fans have been known to hit the self destruction button for a while now. Even when we were purring with Poch, people were moaning
Our football is never about control, I think control is a by product and what we do doesn't have to be that. What Ange wants is fight for the ball and then score with it. Its just simple, fast paced transition ball, we currently don't play it great and looks very control esque. If we play great, it would be a joy to watch. You just put balls in and score, win balls high and score.
It's pathetic our players give fuck all at this point. But even they will fall in line if we give Ange time.
Why 'get behind' what is obviously a load of rubbish.
Werner being there and being favoured by Ange is holding up the pathhway for Mickey Moore.
Looks like we are two players short when we are attacking the box. We are masters of passing around the back four without movement up front so no penetration. Very poor.
58 years of supporting Spurs…I’ve had enough the club are just not serious about winning just look at the squad shockingly weak
I think we should let Ange have the full season even if end up finishing 16th in the league. If we do that, we will get a trophy next season, but will our fans do that, absolutely not. We will create a toxic state for Ange and he will be sacked and we will start praising the next manager and then let him down again. For a change, we need to trust the manager and stop giving our players free reign.
If Romero is slacking, get dragusin in. If maddison is bad, give bergval a chance. If bissouma isn't doing it right, then give Archie the chance. we will only start winning things once we learn the take the good, bad and the ugly. Right now it's only bad, I can take the ugly as well, but if we do that we will come out shining, will any of our fans do that? Absolutely not.
Look at arsenal, 5 years trohyless, yet Arteta is being given an extension, that's how you run a club, not sack people on a whim and just wish you hit jackpot next time. When we do that it's called gambling, our fans just love gambling, a new slot machine everytime they don't have their way.
We are a pathetic bunch. If the club has to change, then we fans have to change. We can't just always expect pretty things on a high tower and cry fowl when anything bad happens. You always get the good with the bad, embrace it and you will come shining.
Gold doesn't shine in its ore form, its still good gold, but just with a lot more ugly. Take it, refine it, process it, it shines for an eternity.
That's great news...a trophy 'next season'. I thought it was supposed to this season. But like tomorrow,, the next season never comes.
Agreed we need to drop players, but whose job is that, yep the manager
😂 You played into Arsenal's trap😅
I loved all the passing around from Spurs very impressive
Conte said it best, we dont even want to win that badly as a team. The Ethos of the club is all fucked and we need to drop this losers mentality.
Thomas Thuchel in !!
Eddie Howe and Artetta are laughing their tits off, low block hit on the break or set piece - game over !
Ahhh this is my week sorted
Haha so sweet isn't it mate COYG
Ừ want best example? Look at Sonny at the Emirates last year! 2 goals from playing as a 9! When he played as hug the line wingers, we are shit! This coach needs to be fired! He never think about changing! He is even worse than Conte!
Ange just stands on touchline not shouting instructions or anything.. do you think that maybe he has no instructions 🤔
At this point, our starting CBs need to be Dragusin & VDV! Sell Romero, buy Tapsoba now
You WILL NOT see any genuine PROGRESS ….., unless and until … we SELL SONNY
He has been a liability for the majority of the time since Conte’s 2nd season
The problem is, he is the Captain & that’s the biggest mistake ANGE made.
Arteta & Howe are a few seasons ahead of Ange in their team rebuilding to win the Prem & not there yet . Ange has only just started .
Most of his signings will adapt to his system , but there will be
1 or 2 who won’t & get moved on in Jan or next summer .
That’s how it goes .
We played well against both teams , losing narrowly .
No fault of Vicario for the goal. Look at your own screenshot again. Our own players were blocking him.
He should be commanding his box and positioning his players where he wants them or just running thru them and clearing them up thats what top goalies do vicario is a reflex shot stopper and quite a good one but he has no box control or leadership thats why you conceded the most set peices
Yeah but remember vicario can push them out the way, it’s his box
Ange out nice guy, but we are going nowhere
Honestly might as well stick with Ange for now but if things don’t improve I’d go for the Bournemouth manager
You know ball. He's a good manager
But ange was cooking and great transfer window lads no?
It’s so easy to beat Spurs. Keep it tight and nick a goal. Especially when it’s obvious what our main weakness is.
I agree that Son as an out and out winger or as an out and out striker doesn’t get the best out of him.
Maybe Udogie can overlap to allow Son be in his best position.
We are doing great in general play, just have to stop the switching off at the back and find far better solutions, belief and conviction around the box.
Maassssive over reaction by this fan base.
Let Ange cook. The foundations are there. We just need that one or two attacking players to give us that sharp edge. We needed to rid of deadwood and build some depth with quality young players.
Let’s see where the squad is after the next two windows when we don’t have to dilute the money over numerous players.
I don't think we can win things with Romero, inconsistency is his undoing
Great defender but lacks discipline at times
Regarding my earlier post... start with Vicario, Spence, Dragusin, VdV, Davies, Bissouma (if fit), Bergvall, Kulu, Son Solanke and Johnson on Wednesday. That front line needs time to work together, so keep them in.
In response to the "Why Werner?" question, perhaps he's just a stop-gap until we can get the player we want (hopefully already approached) in January or next summer. Who knows?
Yes frustrated but we have to be patient give Ang time give players time to create chemistry among them
These two bros have consistently made things look better than they are in their narratives. this is part of the problem.
Romero has been terrible this season every game he has been lazy and costing goals every week he needs to be dropped but ange won't drop romero
Ben and Sim are asking for changes or tweaks ange doesn't do that he will keep playing his way there is no changing that's how the system he wants to play with touch the line wingers. He won't change your asking him to do something that he has never done or has in track record of doing he won't change his way.
Drop Romero
Nearly 60 and seriously wondering if I'll ever see us win a trophy again 😂😂
Doubt it. We last won the League before you were born.
Same old BS all the time i resided that after pochettino got sacked because he wasn't backed in the summer 2019 after getting to the CL final that winning under Enic is not going to happen cause its not in there interest to do so!
Spit on
Son deserves better than Ange, and Spurs deserves better than Solanke. Nothing to add.
Timber was unbelievable must be said.
Son is not a winger. He’s an old-style inside left. Ange is completely wasting him.
Ben and Sim spot on about Sonny. But Ange will not change and would probably rather replace him with a winger that suits his style. Son will leave Spurs if win a cup. He will also leave if Spurs don’t win a cup. I don’t see any parallel universe where Son stays beyond next summer. That might be best for both parties.
Our problem against Gooners were we revert back as we played against Leicester.... where we used Son on the left. Son played better, his footwork were fantastic but we needed to have Sonny through the middle. We need goals in the first half.... it's just we can't settle our game down because we're forever behind and on the back foot. We must stop being nice guys on the pitch.
I'd play Son and Solanke up front together in a 4,2,2,2
Vicario
Porro, VDV, Romero, Udogie
Bissouma, Bentancur
Kulu, Madders
Son, Solanke
You do know Ange finished 5th in his 1st season don’t you, get behind him stop
B!tching !!! What experience have you two got in football ??
After decades of failure, The 'get behind' brigade are still at it.
Something is going on at the club behind the scenes. It's like it's given up.
With Ange football we have to score a couple of goals b4 half time to stand a chance
Artettas first 2 years where back to back 8th position's. All these ange out fans think the positive fans don't see all the issues we do but I think this will work in the end
People are quick to point the first two seasons of Arteta but forget to mention he came in the middle of the season in his first season and in his second season covid hit and they could do business normally
And he won an f. a cup
SONNY - needs to be sold
BUY ===> McNEIL from Everton
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JOHNSON - is an impact sub
UPGRADE STARTER NEEDED
Try ==== >> MIKEY MOORE
BUY ===>> MBUEMO from Brentford
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Playing too obvious formation is the key failure. Every team now puts double lined defense whenever playing with us. Players keep on the defense trap, there is space to create the chances rather keep passing around the ball around the box.
Poro, BJ, and Kulu had shots 4 times. Poro shots for 6 times from the previous games. Capitalized zero. Who is making the goal for us now?? Whenever put Sunny on the center, no one is able to pass to him since we are not making the spaces. To sad but Angie’s ball is not working out.
did we buy the wrong players in brennan solanke and signing verner again ,can anges system work if it does not then levy wont wait he will sack him
"We're just such a blunt knife." A little blunt, maybe, but your bluntness against Arsenal had a lot to do with the fact that they played ten men behind the ball, thirty yards from their own goal, throughout the entire match. They parked the bus, and they won 1-0 on a set piece goal that should've been disallowed. Chin up, Spurs fan.
You lost 3 derby in a row you are not better than arsenal
Look, I'm as frustrated as anybody. Spurs have ruined my week once again, whatever happens at Coventry, but I'm truly sick and tired of all the online abuse, insults and misguided tactical "nous" from online podcasts and twitter posts. Have we started poorly? Resounding yes. Is it hopeless? Resounding no. Do I personally think we'll get it right? Yes I do. We are 4 games into a new season. That's all that matters. Dragging up stats from last year is meaningless. This is pretty much a completely new squad that needs to gel, but more importantly, a squad that needs to develop a ruthlessness and killer instinct that just isn't there yet. "Ange Out!" is a ludicrous and futile petition. There's simply nobody out there who is available anyway. Be careful what you wish for. All of that said, there's no doubt in my mind that Johnson should be dropped and quite possibly Son as well. No doubt we'll see changes on Wednesday, but that front 3 should stay the same for now, not only for confidence but also as a kick up the arse. No rest until you perform the way we expect you to. Yes there are flaws, but we played reasonably well overall yesterday. Sadly, it wasn't quite good enough. Indeed, there's an argument that the goal shouldn't have been allowed, which would be a pointless argument to get into. Lose against Coventry and it will only make things worse unfortunately.
Great to see such unfounded optimism. As Mark Twain once said of religion, 'faith is believing what you know ain't so.'
@@robinblick9375 Someone's gotta do it mate. But here's a comeback for you: in the immortal words of Frank Sinatra, "But it's so easy looking at the game the morning after,
Knowing how you'd play it if the chance to play it over ever came,
But then, a Monday morning quarterback never lost a game"
@@robinblick9375 Fair point, but I have a comeback for you: In the words of the immortal Frank Sinatra,
"But it's so easy looking at the game the morning after,
Knowing how you'd play it if the chance to play it over ever came,
But then, a Monday morning quarterback never lost a game".
And just one more thing... Mark Twain was absolutely right. Did I say I believed? I am simply reserving judgment because 4 games is not a sufficient sample size with a renovated squad. But at the same time, I will never sit here slagging off the club I love.
Nice for spurs to be back being our little babies. Dunking on you at your ground every year, gets sweeter every time.
We need to convert our chances, it's as simple as that. If we score on one of those point blank chances we had in the first half, it's an entirely different game. Tough to win when you aren't finishing your chances. I feel like we aren't quite in sync yet, but that it's going to come. The players need to believe. The supporters need to be patient.
What chances are these?
Have you ever asked yourself why we don't convert chances? It's not as if they or not trying to. it's like wondering why pigs don't fly.
The online abuse is just wrong.spurs fans is bad energy for the club
Invert the forwards, keep the fullbacks wide and launch early crosses into the box, rather than crossing from the byline. That would be my solution to our low block kryptonite. Currently, we tiki-taka our way up the field, get stuffed by the low block and spend our time controlling the ball around the perimeter of the opponents defensive shape. We need to mix it up and look to play on the counter using the shape described above. However, this team lacks grit, with the exception of a couple players - Mourinho and Conte both commented on it. Like Ben stated, our knife can't cut steak and periodically playing on the counter may not be enough to sharpen it. Ange needs to kick these players in the butt, get them performing and sharpen the knife.
TIME TO SELL SON! Pls let him go... he did his best for Spurs..If the club believes Ange is the right man it is better let him go.
Sell, no. Put Son in the centre, not on the left.
Re Son, you boys were going on and on at start of the season about Son being best at Wing.. Now you're saying he doesn't suit being a winger in this system!
Truth is blind freddy could see that Sonny would never work in this system at wing. He is a CF in this system at least. The fans and management misread the problem when they were pushing for a striker. As FourFourTwo analysed end of last season, we desperately needed 2 tricky wingers to trouble low blocks. We bought 1 although he is 19 and another LW, and spunked most of our budget in Solanke even though we already had Richy and Sonny who last season were both ruthless in front of goal. That huge fee spent of Solanke was better spent on a tricky right winger such as Raphinha or Bakayoko.
Son seems to be playing better in the center than on the flanks which is his fav position.he looks out of sorts
So sick of this shit. Was boycotting this season but got a last minute ticket for £100, wtf was I thinking?! Awful performance. Players like Johnson and Werner are simply not good enough, remember when we had Son, Kane and Bale? And we needed Eze in ffs. LEVYOUT
That’s what happens when u have missing or the weakest of links. Only as strong as ur weakest link. The whole fucking team needs more experience. Even angr. Everyone needs to hustling like the top hustler. No slacking. Play with confidence n give it everything. And maybe we will be able to salvage this season. Injuries should not happen if u stretch everyday.
Signings have been so poor this past summer. None of those players improve our team. I would have preferred no signings and kept some of the players we released.
In defense of Romero, he has not been shocking. Has he been at his best? absolutely not, but one poor moment per game is not shocking. Romero still played relatively well, and with proper support will only improve over the next few games.
Tottenham, Angie , I wonder they analyze for the last season Arsenal’s game ? Not study at all ?? At least can bing the Kane & Son duo tactics could be won this game . The tactics are not have in the game . All players not even know how to pass to be score or how to make space for shooters breakthrough defense.
Solanke , he got perfect pass from Son , why he cannot shoot directly ? What reason for” pause”? Sarr- , why he did not pass to Son to be better shoot ? - that moment has good space to shooting for Son ! Why blow off ? Hard to makes chances and busy for the blew off ! All game does not have tactics for Son can be shoot . Solanke , he have to move around flexibly.. ahh. All teams do it know how to move each other flexibly! No dynamics-
Son is best finisher but don’t have to be in game plan! All have to remember soccer can be play alone . Look Arsenal- they try to shoot one goal , every one knows how to play it.
How many years Tottenham learn from this lessons?
Its win win for Ange, he will be sacked befoe the end of the season so we will never know.
Spurs won the league last season remember 😂
But he has only one play style that every opponent knows
Tottenham are currently a reflection of the type of players we buy. We shop at the same old supermarkets lol The wage structure needs to allow players in the range of 200K to 350K mark, Still no guarantees but big clubs pay the wages and keep doing it until they get it right. Spurs dont need to be successful on the pitch to be successful off the pitch and the football side is a "like to have instead of a must have attitude". We will probably finish 6th or 7th which is how i felt when the season started and we will make the Europa league final.
Our attacking quality is poor
I am not ange out, however i will remind everyone that ange only took the tottenham job when no one else wanted the job. We have two good wingers in kulusexy and son who like to come inside and yet we never changed tactics our fullbacks never go on the outside. If son and johnson come inside and the fullbacks go outside we achieve the same shape because our fullbacks are so high anyway. The substitutions were diabolical timo for maddison. I am not ange out and i hope he can turn it around but there are so many fixable issues that are as clear as day.
It’s time to drop Johnson for more than one game. The players don’t trust them and keep refusing to play him in when he’s best option cause he had no final product
It's just who you are mate the history of the Tottenham. Think yourselves lucky that Arsenal weren't at full strength as you'd have been battered!
No one wants to take the man on, because of losing the ball so high up with the hole team, and Ange wants to keep the ball and not lose possession.
That's not entirely true. Ange's system is about taking chances even if it means losing possession. And if they do lose possession, he wants them to press to get the ball back. But he wants his players to take chances even if it means potentially losing the ball. That's why all the players in the interviews say he trusts us to try again even if it means potentially losing the ball.
I’d have Kulu out wide again and Bergvall in the 8. Feel like there would be a lot more creativity and end product
Feel like Deki the only one ever pushing the envelope. Everyone else seems content on empty passes and ball control that leads to nothing
Why is there this obsession with sacking a manager with Tottenham's vocal fan base? It's only 4 games into a new season, with new players, and a proven successful manager, who is trying to implement a positive game style. Give the guy a chance FFS!
Maybe it stems from only winning from 4 of the last 11 games
You can't put goals aside mate
Ange not trying anything different we are so predictable