Slavoj Žižek: The history of music in 3 minutes
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Žižek gives a lightning-speed analysis of the history of music, from Bach, Wagner and Mahler to Schönberg and Berg.
Excerpt from a debate at the 2011 Nexus Conference 'The Questor Hero'. A longer version of the debate can be viewed here: • Debate on Mahler Seeki...
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I like to think this had nothing to do with whatever they were talking about before.
AHAHSAHSHASHAAHHAAH
Zizek was asserting dominance on them
@@AR-ql4tj "now if you allow me 2 or 3 minutes to make this point with all aggressivity"... i love this man... basically everybody better shut the fuck up while i elaborate...
You absolutely killed me with this one, thank you sincerely
@@feralmode And then he proceeds to talk for 15 minutes, saying "and so on and so on" a total of 27 times; all while all of the other guys nervously sit around and say nothing, wondering if they should be the one to stop him.
This guy is like my thoughts after 8 coffees when I’m trying to sleep
Why would you drink 8 cups of coffee before you try to sleep? Are you a mazochist lol
@@apaxx3950 _yes_
haha when you're not on top of your game you're on the level of slavoj žižek and then when you are you are on a level above him hahahaha jeah yeah right.
@@wellthatisgr8er cringe
Lol too perfect
They're all in suits and he showed up looking like he just finished mowing the lawn.
Pure psychology. If everyone is in suits, show up in tshirt, jogging shoes and everyone will listen
Or watering tulips.
@@Steveberg54 I see you go the video recommendation also 3 days ago. Dishgushting
Or watering the tulips.
Watering a random stranger's tulips
omg imagine his lectures if he didn’t use “and so on and so on”, they’d last 3 years
3 years n so on so on...
It’s an interpretation of Slavic’ i tak dalej I tak dalej ‘ which means et cetera
Ive appropriated that term in my own writings lol
@Bartosz Biniek then where does his heavy accent come from?
@adam fraser what else should he say lol.
Žižek is the quintessential example of the thin line between genius and madness.
One in the same!
Cannot express how much I need people like this guy existing, to keep me from wasting the mind my mother says I have in the face of people telling me I'm insane.
He is oscillates between the two like a pendulum
crazy doesn’t equal genius, but a genius will question things that are universally considered to be true, and therefore be looked at as a madman. and will occasionally question the wrong things and actually dabble in some genuinely mad ideas. but if we accepted truth’s as unchanging, then we and/or the world would not change or develop a more in depth understanding in any area.
and your comment is a quintessential example of simple minded pseudointellectualism.
He looks like he is photoshopped into that meeting.
seriously xd
Ironicly imo it's the exact opposite, where the other guys are all in suits and he is the only natural.
Yes
Best dressed
He just couldn't give less of a shit lol
he refuses to kowtow to some classical concept of how an intellectual persona might be represented and all that bullshit
@@feralmode why are all these comments so fresh, I thought I'm the only one here
@@jsquareseaedits cause slavoj is fresh, i love his twitchy hand gestures and his nose pinches. the guy who looks like he's on coke but references lacan and hitchcock in the same breath. the man is a god. he will always be fresh...
Motherfucking legend 😎
Why does he look like he's a Linux user
Because he's Richard Stallman's cousin, that's why
@@vanjat9428 You win.
Because he Is and idealist so aestetichs and results are secondary to him.
comment of the year
@@albertodemarchi9562 Ah yes, an idealist who is simultaneously a materialist. Truly a postmodern philosopher.
He is the only guy around the table who shows any sign of life.
Looks like he's got everybody else's signs of life
"Sir, this is Wendy's."
No
-No! This is Žižek!
Go away, paid commenter.
Hahaha genious
- Hello Wendy this is Kevin's friend Michael
- Dude This a Wendy's restaurant !
- Damn it Kevin !!
"Allow me 2, 3 minutes to make this point with ALL AGGRESIVITY" - Slavoj Zizek
I linguistically came at this point.
You don't need to dress up for the meeting when you are the only reason anyone comes to the meeting
Well said
The power of this as a role model is God-like.
Spot on
I like your funny words magic man
😂
NOTHING BAD
hahahahah
HAHAGA GENIUS
‘Try, try, try to understand!’ Like this comment if you get the reference ;)
I love his passion
That’s typical south slav passion. I love it too.
“Thank you Mr. Zizek. The question, however, is what is the purest form of government.”
Hahaahha
Bach! Bah I tell you! Baaaaaah!
Beautiful ending. Zizek fading out with no sign of stopping and so on and so on
'allow me to make my point, so I can stop'
good old zizek
Okay, the point he is trying to make is subtle and invisible to those unfamiliar with the composers mentioned. It is NOT a tiny history of music, he just mentioned composers he felt were relevant to a certain point he wanted to make. To prove that I understand more or less what he is talking about (where others dared say he was just incoherent), I am going to attempt a translation/paraphrase and you guys correct me wherever I am wrong, mkay? Zizek might be trying to say something akin to the following:
"The proof is in the pudding: the art of the geniuses of music is larger than the things they were conscious of. For instance, Wagner was a terrible person, full of prejudice, but his music is full of noble ideas, totally transcends his small personality. Having said this, for my main point, I am going to contradict the view I detected previously in this debate, that Mahler saw everything and started the future. There is something crucial he did not see. The finale of his 5th symphony, where we would expect the climax of the modernism in his art, in fact throws back to romanticism. He did not realize that true modernism would come in the dissolution (by Schoenberg) of the compositional devices that he, Mahler, inventoried."
"When I say modernism, I mean musical thought which is radically abstract. This is why I call modernists the more abstract composers in history: Bach with his fugues comes to mind, then romantic composers such as Schumann, who demonstrated great abstract thought in the treatment of musical material that did not originally come from abstract thought (rather from popular sources, folk songs etc. such as Chopin, Grieg, Dvorak etc.). I would place Mozart in the opposite end of the spectrum: the more "spontaneous" composers such as Schubert, composers of songs, would reveal perhaps less abstract musical thought than someone that struggles like Beethoven. When I (Zizek) listen to Schoenberg and Berg, I feel the abstraction is like a reality inside another reality, or perhaps the scene in "The 13th Floor" in which a character goes to the edge of the world and sees where it ceases to exist and physical objects become geometrical lines. In musical modernism of the XX Century (after Schoenberg) the musical material is dissolving in the same way."
"It is this abstract dissolution that I do not hear in Mahler, who is really still just expressing the myth of the hero, like a true Romantic."
It's a negative dialectic: Intellectual Order (Bach) - Passionate Will (Beethoven) - Nothing/Disintegration (Schoenberg). Zizek virtually says this in the video. And his one main point is that Mahler missed the boat on the negative synthesis toward nihilism/disintegration. Zizek is arguing against a musicological dogma which anyone who has read a book on Mahler will recognize concerning the 6th symphony and the Nazis. That's because Mahler believes in the hero's triumphal return, as evidenced by the last movement of the 5th symphony.
However, Zizek is a bit of an idiot for saying all this because Mahler's 9th contains the "abstract dissolution" of which you speak (4th movement). He's abstracting from this because Zizek just wants to champion the Second Viennese School. Or - like you I presume - he just hasn't listened to Mahler's 9th.
woWeee what intriguing analytics 😍👌
(no cynicism here) .•°
Beautifully explained/translated.
Vernstein on Mahler and Schoemberg: ua-cam.com/video/U5I7lYN5adU/v-deo.html
thanks for translating Zizek. Now I see what he means. Makes perfect sense...( no irony). The fact that he sounds like Daffy Duck does not help either...
Two thick things are not letting me understand this
1. His accent
2. My brain
I tried turning on the auto generated subtitles, which generally are ok, but in this case not even the AI was understanding him lol
Only the brain
@@dionyzus2909 Most of the auto-generated subtitles I have found are in dutch
Same! And 3- my need to laugh 😂
Bruh
I love that he’s not wearing a suit or even looks generally presentable; that’s some main character shit.
Mai Gott!
March god?
@@l3p3 Oktober Gott!
Mein gott .•°
as a musician I'm very impressed, I didn't expect such deep level of knowledgeable about music and esthetic from a philosopher that usually speaks about society, economics and human behavior.
Is his analysis of music history accurate?
@@michaelh13 Kinda. Some things are not that accurate. Bach wasn't that influential in his own time. People like Handel, Vivaldi, and Telemann were much more influential and I think Scarlatti was the true modernist, his music is far more a prototype of the classical period and romantic period.
His part about the romantic period is ok, it is all about the personal struggle of the artist with his supposed 'genius'.
Last part is super spot on, Schoenberg and such is really about breaking the matrix of human perception.
Proof that the clothes do not, in fact, make the man.
I bet the guys in suits said even better things. We just don't know.
@@stardestroyer8084 True
Clothes don't make the man but... beauty and cleanliness is better.
It actually proves it does, one dude standing out in looks and personality
Speak for yourself
“Sir, you’re the janitor”
lmao
😂😂😂
do you have a prejudice that janitors cannot express philosophical thoughts?
This is the guy at the water cooler in work who gives you a lecture about the inner workings of the big upside down bottle of water and the mechanism it uses for pumping. When all you wanted was a glass of water.
Love Zizeks stream of consciousness rants. No-one knew what they were talking about by the end.
I'm studying classical and jazz in college so when I saw this title I was like yeah right but...he's...he's kind of right.
I wish. Interesting thought, though...
how is talking about german composers skipping mozart is the whole of music? wheres debussy? or the javanese gamelan? african and japanese music (which influenced both mahler and debussy)?
@@alb_reuel clearly they don't matter as much
@@power50001562 exactly. zizek is saying, well only western music matters, and the ones written by the intellectual serious composers. thats a lot of bull tbh
probably didnt count mozart because of the lowbrow operas
or because they had a melodic line. well i dont think slavoj can tell a melody from a pair of shirts and im still wondering WHY did mahler predict the holocaust and WHY it matters to the apreciation of the music. i certainly dont look for philosophical arguments when listening to music only because they dont have any logic. thats the beauty of music.
you can make sense of it. you cant make logic out if.
The question was "what is your favorite Batman movie?"
He jumps from pre-modern music to quantum physics and sci-fi within 3 minutes
And he somehow got to pre-modern music from Wagner and anti-semitism in the first place
Rookie numbers
That's usually how I realise I forgot to take my ADHD meds for the day.
not really.
Zizek's thinking (and so on and so on) really fascinates me. But what I love even more is the comments section 😂
If you are the only one wearing a suit in the room, you are in charge.
But if everyone but you is wearing a suit, then you are Zizek.
i love how it ends with the iconic "and so on and so on"
He's going to need more than 3 minutes for this theory. A lot more.
Everyone at this table is waiting for security to take him away and they are terrified to leave before that happens
the way the scene looks like from an anime
Had to double-check my playback speed to make sure it wasn't on 2
I saw my reality dissolving more and more as I watched this. This guy makes you trip without consuming anything but focusing on his train of thought.
"...I just wanted you to watch me dissolve...slowwwwly...in a pool...full of...." Hahahaha
@@pault6347”and so on and so on…” (perfectly encapsulates the feeling of dissolution, especially at the end) *Everywhere at the end of time starts playing*
His tombstone will have written: "Slavoj Zizek and so on and so on"
I love that in every shared even he speaks in he looks like a guy who was constantly heckling so they decided to bring him up
This man skips all the way from "pre-modern music" to Bach in like 10 seconds
Well Gregorian chant was a bore wasn't it? It took em centuries to sing even just 2 notes at once hahaha
@@jacksonbuckner9641 No.
Jackson Buckner I’m pretty sure we haven’t found out a way for a person to sing more than one note at a time
@@treyebillups8602 Throat singing is that, as well as similar forms.
I was mostly joking around - the gregorian chant tradition has it's own interest but I think his jump to bach is fair even if you wanna take a pitstop with Rameau in the enlightenment talking about notation and divine symmetry and such, bach really gets the ball rolling in terms of making perfect music [within the musical grammar] into practice.
There's seven men on this table, six of them dressed in a sleek black suit, a collared shirt, and a tie.
And then there's Zizek.
"I claim"
"You know"
"And so on, and so on."
Me and my gf after walking in late to Philosophy class:
The wide shot at 0:11 should be an oil painting
0:12 _The last sober_
I would love to hear Slavoj’s lecture on music lol
I was innocently heckling at his 2 mins of all aggresivity, but at the "13th Floor" I suddenly went silent.
this man started talking about classical music and ended up talking about the matrix im dead
These subtitles are something else
I wonder how Zizek is doing with all these pandemic guidelines.
I turned the subtitles on and was even more confused
I have the same theory about The Spice Girls
Greatest comedian intellectual of our time, if you permit the premise/claim.
I always wanted to watch this in full but never found the whole conversation, only snippets
Same.
Alternate title: "Random hobo of slovenian nationality rolls up on a serious emergeny meeting and talks about whatever he came up with last night."
And absolutely nails it...
😂
Love the generated subtitles for this one.
Underrated. The subtitles go all over like 20 different languages
The video starts @ 1:09. You're welcome!
Best analogy I've ever heard on what Schoenberg was trying to do with modern music 2:00
The only one dressed differently - built differently - in a panel of (what I assume to be) intellectuals. What a GOAT.
This is one of the best comment sections I've ever seen haha
The others seem incredibly disinterested in everything he’s saying lol
Starting intently, taking notes, and uttering affirmations... Sure
He probably has dominated the entire conversation
Because they can’t understand him. I can’t understand him either. He talks to fast and takes huge leaps in his argument.
Uninterested
@T_A_Verne not neccesarily
The hero we need but are not ready to except yet.
😂😂😂
You have no idea how funny your post is.
@@terryhinkemeyer3857 you still can't recognize the hero
@@terryhinkemeyer3857 we feel pity for you, but nothing is too late. You can clean your smoked brain by reading at least some rudimentary slim text of continental philosophy.
0:52 "Now, if you'll allow me just 2-3 minutes to make this point with all aggressivity."
0:56-0:59
If I were Tomaž Šalamun,
I’d always be happy, I think.
I’d dance on the Small Market Square until all hours
to a melody no one could place.
I’d play Mahler’s Fifth gaily on the accordion.
Why are the autogenerated captions Italian lol
Google recognized the excessive hand movements as those of an Italian, I guess
I think I can smell slavoj from my spot
This man is like, amazing, he explained art in 3 mins, epic. (and everything if you think further, we're based on logic although we do not want to think that)
Zizek is absolutely insane
Nah really
am i the only who doesn’t understand a word tht he’s saying
His accent is real thick but you get used to it.
He's saying that music is much like physics. Where you pushed classical physics as far as it goes, people pushed music using what was understood as far as it could go. So similarly we developed new perspectives on physics when classical physics broke down kinda like how we changed the logic behind the traditional ideas of classical music to further it. Now how physics has broken down into mysterious quantum physics as an almost edge to physics, modern music has been pushed to an edge of mysterous state into a kinda hyper relativity.
The other guys at the table like " we should put a serious face atleast"
My got he is soooo nice
This fellow stresses me out
"And so on and so on."
Showman.
How did he not knock the glass of water over.
“We’re discussing the rezoning of the portillos, did you have any comments on that?”
is zizek just hegel reincarnated? they look to similar
Oh God no
It’s in interesting point and so on and so on.
turn the subtitles on and thank me later, it gets even deeper with the captions on and makes much more sense :P
forgot about 2pac
If I were sitting on the panel I would have been like "um... yeah... intresting point."
>"A longer version of the debate can be viewed here"
>links to a 12 minute video
seriously?
Libertarian leninist?
Why is that?
Well , tecnichally is it longer, isn’t it? 😄😄😄
@@wikia11c14 Let him. He's just being Mahlerian.
>arrows on youtube
srsly?
@@peterkerj7357 Formatting text on the internet? Oh, but your browser doesn’t turn it green - so its cringe!
Zizek does another sport. Genius
Slavoj "But in Reality" Zizek.
Man, I love this song
wow! such passion.
Understandable, he talks so fluently wow
His speech is an example of complete gymnastic.....
If Žižek were my professor, I would have such anxiety keeping notes
So on and so on
I don't know why Zizek always seems like he had two kilos of cocaine and four bottles of beer before every speech.
Wagner's centerpiece was a strong but lonesome Jew, loved that shit!
I absolutely have no idea what just happened
i need subtitles for zizek talking i literally didn't get anything he said can someone help?
Me too. And I'm a slav, I should be able to parse through his accent, but I can't....
@@andrewtataj497 i'm a slav too bro xd so ironic
@@marcusaurelius4941 slavic bros unite, me 3
He basically said: Mahler ain't got shit on my Second Viennese School boys, peace.
Oh god, his favorite composer is Berg, too...
Yeah, an obviously bad composer : )
This is a specific corner of music from a specific culture grouping of the world. not the history of music
funny how youtube's translation algorithm thinks he's speaking Italian
Must been all the gestures
My dude is dressed up for painting his fence
Fortunately he didn't mention Tchaikovsky, or the crowd would've been drenched
He was just part of certain movement, he didn't did anything pioneering
Pretty sure the joke is about him spraying them with spit while pronouncing his name
we only came for the 3:08 moment. 😅
They're all wearing suits and Žižek is in a tan T-shirt
he sort of misses out the harmony of medieval hymns
@The MacSo yeah, no; he's obviously not practicing the literary genre of the summary.
This is what is happening now. We've reached and exceeded our pinnacle. Time to start over "he" says.
He is the real life The Dude Lewbowski.
I heard him and i just hiss now.