What really annoyed me about The Vision in "Civil War" was that, after he had accidentally blasted War Machine, he could have swiftly and easily saved him from crashing, but he did nothing.
He was compromised by Wanda. That was his entire issue that film. If someone's head isn't in the game they make mistakes. Hence he blasted Warmachine instead of Falcon.
@General_JacksonYT plot has nothing to do with scaling the heros power level. If they can have superman Aquaman wonder woman and Batman in the same movie and all they powers and skills showed believably. MCU should be able to do it too . But they really don't . They have iroman fighting Thor to a stand still..which is kinda crazy
@@General_JacksonYT it's always tripped me out in the MCU . Like when cap and bucky was beating ironman ass . But iroman was in a suit more powerful than the one he fought Thor to a stand still with lol. I'm like how two enhanced humans giving him the work in that suit. Eventually I was like y'all got it lol. Got use to it
I feel like the MCU in general just glazes all over Iron man and Cap. The way they disrespect Wanda, Vision, Hulk and Thor in order for them to shine is insane. How was Thor a demigod losing to Thanos with both stormbreaker and mjolnir, while Cap was on par with him being just a super soldier with only mjolnir, what happened to the whole movie about Thor being strong beside his hammer? Atleast Strange never really gets downplayed, but it still pisses me off.
Tbf with Cap Vs Thanos, the same thing that happened with Hulk happened to Cap. Cap gets the drop on Thanos when he's not paying attention to him and gets a few good hits in. Then Thanos turns the tide and starts destroying him and then cuts into the shield. Hulk got a few good hits while Thanos was off guard and then got beaten up once Thanos started fighting back. You're definitely right about Thor and the hammer part though. I actually hated the fact that he spends a film being told he doesn't need the hammer since that just channels part of his actual power then the next film he's in, he's like I need a Thanos killing weapon I think Dr Strange gets downplayed during Avengers films. He doesn't use the time stone in Infinity War, if I remember right he was about to use it and then Iron Man flew past him
@@Yearman8 He only uses it once, when he's looking ahead and determines that they only have one chance of winning. I do like that Thanos calls him out though. " You're full of tricks, wizard. But you never once used your greatest weapon...*crushes Eye of Agamotto*...a fake."
"Atleast Strange never really gets downplayed," Yeah, that would suck if they had like, say, Ebony Maw beat Strange in a 5 second one v one like he was manhandling a child rather than the sorceror supreme...
The show What if? Showed the full potential of vision when ultron takes over his body. Oooo boy the destruction he causes. Splitting thanos in half was the least bit of his terrifyingness.
@@fizzywhizzbanger5610so could've Wanda or Thor. However they worked around that. Maybe Thanos loops time so he respawns like strange did against dormahmu, so in the end vision must make the decision to let him take the stone as a way to stop his army from killing innocents.
@@Fusion05 Uh, no; Thor got his ass handed to him by Thanos the first time they fought, and needed Stormbreaker before he stood a chance against the Mad Titan. Unfortunately, by the time Thor *had* Stormbreaker and got to Wakanda, Thanos already had all six gems. Wanda vs. Thanos with no gems? Wanda takes an easy W, as shown in Endgame. Wanda vs. Thanos with 5 gems? No, she was shown to barely be able to hold him off long enough to destroy the mind gem.
The main problem they had was that they nerfed Thanos to the ground. He was too weak to go against the Avengers and there ever be a fair fight. There are dozens of characters on the Avengers side that seem to be able to beat him 1vs1 if he would not had the infinity stones. He was never a threat in Endgame.
It's simple actually - starting with Civil War Vision is a pacifist. He is always holding back. I know it's a cliche in superhero movies, but it works perfectly for Vision. It was clear that he was remorsful about killing Ultron, and that was before he criplled Rhodes by accident. Mind Stone made Vision physically extremly powerful, and at the same time mentaly unable to use all this power.
Yeah, but shooting that beam at Falcon was very out of character in the first place. If that beam had hit Falcon directly, it would have brought him down much faster with severe injuries from the beam
The whole scene doesn't really make sense at all. Vision could have easily caught Rhodes and probably caught up to cap in the quinjet aswell. They should have found a way to exclude Wanda and Vision from this fight in my opinion!
@@Chrislmisl Look how many people complain about characters not being in the final Endgame scene (like the TVA, Eternals, Moon Knight, etc...). It would not have gone over well with the audience and this video would still exist if Wanda and Vision weren't in the airport battle :D
It isn't "for no reason". If they were as powerful as they've ever been in the comics, there would be no stakes. It would be fun watching a fight for about 30 seconds and then like... what do you do with the rest of the film? The fight with Hulk vs Thanos where Hulk gets whipped would simply not happen if Hulk's power was scaled to what it should be. He'd just get angrier being beaten and get stronger and stronger and become unstoppable until he kills Thanos and probably nearly everyone else on the ship. Movie over. Instead we get impotent Hulk because like... that's the only way we have a movie.
@Konitama yeah cause Thanos wouldn't be able to retreat and come up with a way to deal with a powerhouse like hulk, instead we get pussy hulk just so that mark ruffalo can get more screen time... it's genuinely just lazy writing.
Vision is just another version of the superman problem. At his creation in the MCU he was supposed to be ultrons perfect body built out of vibranium so it couldn't be destroyed. Then he got added buffs beyond that with the mind stone. Dude is absurdly up and they have him play house. Been enjoying these videos. Could you do one on Icarus flying into the sun at the end of Eternals. He couldn't fly at super speeds so we get to imagine him floating through outer space for weeks or even months regretting his decisions 😅
Maybe Icarus can fly to superspeed. But in the atmosphere he don't because air friction will tend to make him combust. Out of atmosphere, then, he can get to superspeed without anything holding him back.
Powerful characters next to regular ones always is tough... its like when you have Superman, why do you need the rest of the League. I remember a comic where Hulk went on a rampage and owned all the Avengers without breaking a sweat and Vision phasing his hand into Hulk's heart was the only way to stop him. Maybe if they made it more clear he tries to avoid violence for fear of becoming the next Ultron it could at least go a little way to why h pulls his punches.
Is actually not tough, people just don't understand that you can have people contributing in different ways. Some powers are too much for regular humans sure, a speedster should kill Batman every time before anyone can stop them except the Flash. However that's the point. Batman in a group fight shouldn't be trying to punch Supermans dance partner. He should be making sure no one gets in Supermans way. Watching for Kyrptonite and using his tech to disable anything enemy or enemy tech that could interfere. He should be slipping away and trying to turn off the alien portal or death machine while Superman tanks the big enemies. The flash should be handling large groups with speed or 1v1ing the enemy Speedster. They should all be participating but that does not mean they need to be fighting Thanos. Captain America throwing the GOD hammer Mjolnir at Thanos is fine. Maybe even a few swings when he's busy with other people. However he should never be matching strength against the Mad Titan. Because the gap is simply too big to ever bridge on his own. Vision should be matched with foes his level and those foes should be taken down by Thor or Wanda or someone if need be. Not humans who kick good. The Spy should be doing Spy stuff. Captain America should be leading and performing field commands so everyone is doing their jobs. You don't need to ignore a characters limits. You need to embrace them.
@@Merilirem Personally I like that approach of divide and conquer... ground level heroes on a stealth mission while the mid tier take on the bad guy and the big guns take our his ships overhead.
@@Merilirem Sure but you don't really get to just pick who you fight in a battle. Batman can avoid fighting a Kryptonian all he wants but if they flew up to fight him, he's effed. Then we'd just be suspending our disbelief that there's never going to be a mismatched fight happening... like all the heroes and villains know to only fight people at their level or something. That would be worse, imo. Not like Bizarro Superman is going to fly up to Batman and say "oh sorry, you're just a regular guy, I'm gonna go fight Superman now, later"
Happens in the comics all the time as well. As someone who used to read the punisher comics, how many times they had to nerf more powerful characters to make it seem like punisher stood a chance. And I am sure DC has done this a ton of times to make batman an equal opponent.
I love Batman as much as the next guy, but yeah, I don't care how much prep time you give him, there's no way a normal human is dodging Darkseid's Omega Beams.
Oh don't get me started on all of the glazing people do for the Punisher sometimes. Dude is a psycho with a gun, barely a C lister yet sometimes they make him seem like he can one v one Venom, Logan (that's right, someone actually wrote a comic where the Punisher defeated Wolverine), Spiderman and ghost rider.
0:36 - Yes, he, above all else, understands his powers. He understands the danger he offers, and he CHOOSES to be a pacifist. In What IF we get a peek into what someone like Ultron, with little regard to life, can do with said powers but none of the moral shackles. Vision was made to be a hero, but he just wants a peaceful human life. 1:08 - Because he is that much self aware, he sides with Tony and tries to be a guide to Wanda, who is also unbelievably powerful, with even more potential. He holds backs because he doesn't want to harm friends, and when he steps out of that line even slightly it immediately backfires on him. It's not inconsistent, it's perfectly consistent. 1:54 - Vibranium is not indestructible, it's not even the strongest metal in the universe, just a very rare, lightweight and strong alloy found on Earth. It has particular properties, like shock/wave absorption, but it's not the end all be all for metals in the MCU. Even Asgard had better stuff since way back in Thor 1. 2:20 - Vision is not a fighter. He is powerful, but he doesn't WANT to fight ever. He is a pacifist. And he got jumped and was injured the whole time. Wanda at that point is just a girl. She barely knows how to use her own powers (despite being very powerful). Before Age of Ultron, she opted for indirect confrontation, while being mentored by Cap and the other avengers she starts to be more of a hitter (Civil War) still with a very rudimentary use of her abilities, but after the split she goes back to a normal life and stops training. Meanwhile, Cap, Falcon, Black Widow are all active fighters, long-life soldiers, with decades of experience with fighting stronger/faster enemies. Fights (good ones) aren't just "stronger character wins". Context makes the fight. Wanda wouldn't even begin to understand her powers until WandaVision, of course she lost when she got jumped by people prepared to fight her. It's a similar to case as of why the Hulk seems much weaker when Banner is in control. 2:53 - Vision was created in a moment of desperation trying to stop Ultron from getting his final form. He stands as a juxtaposition to Ultron's ideals. Ultron was programmed to end conflict, and to that end he concluded he must end life. Even when Ultron was just a few scrapped robots, he was throwing down, he wanted that smoke, no chill. Vision, however, had no programming. When he woke up, he was a free living being, with the power to be anything he wanted, and he chose a normal life. That's the whole theme behind it. Vision just going full Ultron on someone, even the villains, would be the actual betrayal of his character. Rather, being a pacifist and mentor is exactly what he was meant to be. Also, the claim they couldn't handle his power is absurd. Vision is not even at the top of the pole. His arc was crafted so Wanda would be in a moral dilemma and set up her next arc. 3:40 - Yes, he is a one of a kind life form that sees humanity from the outside. That's how he deals with the opposing qualities. You're basically stating what his character is and the themes he works as if that's a flaw and not the actual point.
I believe there were some problems with marvel even before endgame, but vision is not even close to being one of them. The video creator failed to understand that vision's desire to live a normal life wasn't inconsistency, it was a part of his arc. Completely agree with most of your points
@burnttoast.2017 So did Thor, in that actual movie. The fact Thanos wasn't on Earth for the majority of the time already keeps him away of Vision, there is nothing writers had to worry about Vision's power. What they wanted however was to use him for Wanda's arc.
And the airport battle in civil war was BS anyway because they weren't really trying to kill each other they were just playing around. That was one of the problems with the MCU certain fights. You just didn't take serious because you knew nothing was going to happen. They almost did the same thing with hulk. They reduced him to nothing too. That's one thing I liked about the dceu. No matter how powerful the character was, they always displayed it and was able to scale it to everything around them and still made it believable
Suspension of disbelief is a pre requisit for anyone trying to have a good time watching super-hero movies though otherwise you will always find something to critique 😅
@@DavidPortugueseGAMER There is always something to critique in media. That does not mean you need to avoid noticing it. If its bad its bad. Being a superhero movie does not mean it has to be bad. Suspension of disbelief isn't something you can control. Its the writers job to make sure they don't stretch it too far for the audience. Not the audiences job to apply it beyond its natural limits. There is someone briefly lifting a car with Adrenaline. That is still believable. People do that. Then there is that person throwing the car. That is too much and immediately says superpowers. If you say someone is a regular human and have them fighting someone you said can crack a planet in half, by blocking punches, you have gone too far.
@@Merilirem Sure. But that didn't happen and that's what I mean. People get easilly influenced by their mob mentality's nature and that's on the audience if they fail to acknowledge such behaviour tendencies. Magnifying miniscule details to the point of making it a huge down side of a movie when it really wasn't all that important to begin with is who I'm getting at. This last Venom movie is the perfect example of what I'm saying. Even before watching the movie themselves plenty of dudes already create this narrative in their head that it's a bad movie because they saw many others saying so on the internet. Creating therefore some expectations on the audience to be a picky prick looking at every frame with the intent of comfirming their own bias. This goes both on the positive and negative side of watching something while having already listened to other's critique of it. It's why I don't even watch trailers anymore neither do I watch reviews of them before watching them myself whilst it is all a novelty in my head. Content becomes far more enjoyable this way imo.
@jimmcneal5292 No they just made them mad weak. They kept vision out of the fight for the most part because they didn't know how to scale him to the rest of the characters. And they wasn't trying to fight to hurt each other for real anyway
Vision was not worthy of Mjolnir. Vision picking up the hammer is the same as the hammer not destroying any inanimate object that thor sits or lays it on. The hammer judges the soul. Vision was created with the mind stone. if he was created with the soul stone, then whether he's worthy or not could be judged.
@@ninjanibba4259 Vison's essence in the MCU is a combination of science and magic, so I would not go as far as saying he is not "real" in the narrative of films. In the comics his origins are not exactly the same but is described as a "Synthetic" human. Just because something is not natural it does no tnecessarily mean fake or not "real". Context is important and in the context of both the comics and films he is definitely portrayed as a sentient being, thus making him real.
He doesn't understand the mind stone or wield it's power in that manner. This why Wanda has better control over it than he does. She uses it against him and forces him to increase his density till he falls through the floors.
@@Lastjustice Even Wanda doesn't know much about the stone. She was unable to predict the attack on them in Avengers infinity war. The stone was clearly telling vision about an imminent attack. Further in comics vision does have mind control power.
@@rangocharlie007 She has a connection to the stone, and a better understanding of how control it than Vision does. She has telepathy/telekinesis, not being clairvoyant, so understandable she doesn't see the attack coming while Vision senses due to the stones being connected. Comic book characters tend to have way more powers than their movie counterparts, as it makes them easier to write. Thor has tons of powers movie Thor does not. This goes for many characters, it's rare the MCU version is stronger than the comic version of a character.
Nah, he’s synthezoid, he’s basically a man and would be judged as such by Mjolnir. He was literally born yesterday at the time of lifting Mjolnir 😂 making him innocent, curious and free of corruption. He was essentially a highly intelligent baby with no corrupt heart.
The way it's portrayed, we're meant to think he's actually worthy. The fact that he'd just been born may be closer to the reason why than that he's not completely human.
The thing that is annoying is that he truly is powerful. The thing that’s holding him back is The Vision and the writing. They wanted The Vision to be the guy that wins his battles through wisdom and logic. A guy that only fights because he’s left no other option, but even then, he’ll still show restraint. Meanwhile, in the what-if universe where ultron successfully gets uploaded into the vision body, he no-diffed everyone. Bro sliced thanos in half the second he showed up. And he did that with the same laser attack that our Vision has access to, but never uses.
1:52 in Endgame Cap's Shield was destroyed(which is also made from vibranium)by Thanos's giant blade. Isn't that the same material as Corvus Glaive's weapon?
Assuming both weapons are the same material, it doesn't make sense. Thanos needed multiple strikes to break through the shield, a relatively thin object. Meanwhile Glaive was able to stab all the way through Vision in one go. This would make Glaive several times as strong as Thanos, which is obviously contradicted by literally everything else.
@@General_JacksonYT Reread my comment. I'm saying that Thanos blade is made out of the same material as Glaive's polearm. So when comparing Thanos needing multiple strikes to cut through the shield, which is less than an inch thick in one of its dimensions, to Glaive stabbing all the way through Vision and more out the other end in one strike, while Vision's body has considerable width in every dimension, it would mean that Glaive is physically much stronger than Thanos. And then later in the same scene Glaive has trouble fighting Cap & 2 baseline humans.
"instead of showcasing his capability as one of the Avengers' heaviest hitters, he's portrayed more as a distant, logical presence rather than a frontline fighter" erm, isn't that the whole point of the Vision though? That's literally the perfect description (to me) of what the Vision's character should be? Kind of like Beast. both Beast and Vision are ridiculously strong characters but they prefer using their minds.
@@92brunod It is, because Vision was specifically designed to defend Earth. So if he's ''As strong as ANY of us, possibly ALL of us'' as Tony Stark says, then he should serve his purpose when it matters, like in Infinity War.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Still irrelevant to the point. On top of the fact that Vision trascended his programming. He's a sentient being making his own choices and decisions. What Tony Stark designed him for or says about him, doesn't matter in the slightest.
You nailed this completely and I’ve been feeling this way for a while. 1. We should all know by now that Wanda is just about omega level, if not omega. She should’ve had Thanos by herself and would’ve had no problems dealing with both of his lieutenants. It would’ve been a joke. 2. Vision appeared to be almost omega level as well. He handled Ultron as if he was a rag doll, and that’s nothing to sneer at. I don’t believe for a second that Corvus Glaive would’ve gotten the best of him. 3. Given 1 and 2, vision and Wanda would’ve made mincemeat out of Thanos. They would’ve caught him before the reality stone, which wouldn’t have worked on them. Game over.
It was total BS for Thanos to be able to rip the gem from Vision's forehead. He should not be able to come close to that strength. He should have at least needed a pair of adamantium pliers or aomething.
Wonda should have never been able to destroy the mind stone, and Thanos should not have been able to break Vibranium with his hands. Also they did the same thing to the hulk, took all his power away in order to allow other characters to shine
the funniest part for me is still the fact that they showed on screen that sorcerer portals are specifically able to cut off arms, and then proceed to not attempt it in the most arm-cutting-off operation in the universe.
why? We saw in Wandavison that the mind stone amplified her powers and shes one of the most powerful characters in the mcu with her chaos magic, not to mention she is destined to rule/destroy the world stated in the darkhold
I always felt Vision was intended to be somewhat indecisive. Jarvis was not ever an AI with a lot of initiative. Ultron got a lot more Stark and Vision got a lot more Jarvis. So he was based on a passive character.
@@bestlaptop_psnAs cool as that would be it's untrue. Vision is a synthezoid. He is 100% machine. This is further shown in Wandavision. He is "worthy" in the same way the coat rack in Dark World is
@GabrielSipes-t3s false. Thor said he is worthy, so I am taking his word. And there is no comparison with a coat rack. These weapons can tell what something is. When Hulk tried to lift it it didn't bring down the entirety of the heli carrier.
Somehow, the more I watch the movies and the older I get, the more I dislike them and find them unrealistic. I think THE BOYS just gave me the perfect concept of what a world with Superhumans should look like.
The one thing i really wanted was him to acknowledge the fact that he's STILL technically Jarvis and would have his memories. He could have had some good moments bringing that up to Tony and talking about what it was like to be Jarvis
Yeah, I am a huge Vision fan and Civil War and Infinity War are quite frustrating when it comes to Vision. The infamous scene in what if where Ultron lasers Thanos in half made me realise that there is a narrative sollution to Visions lack of power, which is actually really interesting. Ultron created the Vision as the ultimate weapon and the What If Episode kind of confirms that Vision could take out all of the original Avengers plus Wanda and Quicksilver somehow. Well Visions Body could. The character and person Vision however couldn’t. Vision was always focused on becoming more human, or at least understanding them and existing among them. He never tried to develop himself the way Ultron would have, so he never reached the same power level as his counterpart in What If. All of that however is never explored, which is a real shame…
I have to disagree with you on this one. Vision is a very powerful being, but I don't think wants to fight. They took him out in infinity war for a reason, and how they took him out of the story made sense. I feel like there are bigger plot holes and characters portrayed in worse ways. For example, captain marvel. She only showed up to kill thanos and wasnt shown in the movie at all until the final battle, which she didn't even do much. I also hate how they nerfed Thor like crazy to be on the same level as fucking Captain America.
The issue is there is a lack on consistency. In Civil War, did you see the beam he aimed at Falcon. Someone that doesn't want to fight shouldn't be doing that.
You don't understand the character or the verse he's in at all and it shows, it feels like your main argument is "uhhh vision strong so he should beat up everyone" when that is not at all his character in any way shape or form, reread the movies and understand his narrative, please.
In defense of the MCU writers, they did write vision where it kinda does make sense. Vision was obviously holding back in civil war and he was sneak attacked in infinity war. Not to mention he was important to the plot of possessing the mind stone.
I’d argue that Vision isn’t a fighter. He detests violence, so does what he can to stay out of it. As for Wanda, she’s never been trained to use her powers. She’s made discoveries by tinkering with what she could do, but that’s it.
I was told back in the day that the MCU initially had a supervisory board whose role was to maintain in-universe continuity by monitoring the work of creative teams behind individual movies. Apparently you can trace the cracks that went on to derail the franchise to the decision to get rid of the continuity monitors once Marvel blew up the way that it did.
heroes used to use guns and kill people look old movies and i am not talking like the 90's movies i mean early MCU Captain America 1st avenger shooting a gun The Avengers 1 cap shooting a M16 black widow shooting guns ironman 1 & 2 traight up shooting people with the shoulder bullets things the winter soldier ..... Falcon used dual uzis or and vs ant man ... but at some point around for political reasons all heroes no bullet killing guns all electrical stunt lasers guns ..... and punching suddenly it shifted from young adults to straight up kids movies
@nickjunes it was. It was a political angle of the team debating the direction & consequential coordination of the team. Mixed in with a betrayal cover up story of murder? Sounds like a hit. Was a hit. And if you dont like it... hey man have at it ur opinion! Lol
Your last line sums it up for me - Why in the world would you want that battle to end early? Sure, Vision has some power inconsistencies, but if he was utilized the way you want him to be, the movie would have ended without that team fight and we would all be annoyed. Sometimes a decision is made that isn't in-world logical but is better for the audience.
Vision’s power as it was written in the comics was the ability to control the density of his body. Everything except that energy blast from the jewel on his forehead was based on him changing his density. He could fly by making his density so thin that he would be lighter than air. That’s also how he was able to pass through things. His strength came from his density being so compressed. In the comics it wasn’t a power stone in his head and his body wasn’t made out of vibranium. In fact his body was that of the original Human Torch who was an android, too. Ultron was created by Hank Pym (original Ant Man) not Stark. MCU basically rewrote most of everything about the Vision to fit their scripts.
@:44 you just invalidated your whole video. Vision is a machine, an elevator, a crane, he is NOT worthy. He has no soul, the hammer cannot determine if he is worthy or not. This fact also explains why Thor could put it on a coat hook, the helicarrier didn't fall to the ground, and Hulk, arguably the strongest avenger, could not lift Mjølnir during the fight. @2:02 I am pretty sure that was the same material that Thanos's dual sword was made of. Look what that did to Cap's vibranium shield.
@detective2221 Thor said he can wield and Vision was shown to wield it. So he is worthy. I base this off Thor's word. Also, these weapons have some sort of consciousness or sentience. They can choose what moves them like an elevator but not a truck. Being handled by a being who is unworthy.
@detective2221 the hammer deemed Vision worthy and it makes sense within the context of the narrative. In the MCU and the comics the enchantment does not limit itself to only living beings only beings that meet the worthy enchantment
This is a really good video, but to be fair, I once read or saw a video on social media that explained that during Civil War, Vision was holding back so that he wouldn't seriously harm any of his fellow Avengers. However, I agree wholeheartedly about what you said about Vision and the weaker Avengers coming to the aid of Wanda and Vision in Infinity War. But I will admit, I still loved the story of Infinity War and the scene of Cap/Falcon/Black Widow coming to their rescue. 😂
I think the logic of Thor's hammer is confusing. Since they put being worthy for lifting the hammer. Then, I wish it would break the inertia by looking at the source of the will. I mean. If you put it in an elevator, it will go up, but who pressed the button for the elevator to go up? Who is the cause of the actions. So, if they worthy, elevator can move; but if they not, the hammer cannot move. It would make more sense if they presented it like this. Now Vision has will, if he has will, it shouldn't matter that he is a machine. Because I can cover the hammer with paper and I can lift because the last touch is not mine the paper. Or, I can put the hammer in a drone and I can move it everywhere.
Yes. I agree. Also beyond the robot theory, Ultron is weilding a mind stone. Infinity stones are more powerful than Asgardian magic for sure, so they should negate it
hulk, wanda, vision, thor, and captain marvel have to constantly constantly be fking nerfed because the other half of the team are essentially human except cap, slightly, comparatively. and forget about quicksilver, cuz they did.
Picking up Mjollinir was shorthand to the audience the avengers could trust him. It doesn't prove his strength in the slightest, as a regular hook on a wall holds up mjollnir in one of the Thor movies. The worthiness test doesn't check against nonliving objects. Thor sets his weapon down on regular tables and doesn't destroy them. Visions in Civil War isn't trying engage in the violence. This why he doesn't just wreck everyone. He wants to reason with Cap's team. He can't do that if he just punching them all out. Scarlet Witch is his weakness in so many ways, so this is part of why he underperforms. He is compromised by her and she can trigger the mind stone in his head against him. This clouds his judgment. In Infinity war he gets damaged by Black order as their weapons designed to hunt the infinity stones and their wielders.(and are super effective on Vision for this reason.) Why the Black Order can stand against Scarlet Witch and Vision since they have counters to them. This does not offer them any advantage against Cap or Black Widow, why they can still beat them. Vision is damaged by the black order, and doesn't function at all full power for rest of the movie. Is really that hard to imagine a group devoted to collecting the infinite stones would be prepared to fight people with said stones? That's basic logic or their group would horribly fail at their mission given the scope of the infinitity stones powers.
What i don't get is why didn't Vision phase through Thanos hand when he tried to grab him? I am not sure if Thanos even knew he could do that at the time so he couldn't have used the Reality stone to stop him from doing that. He had at least that one chance to save his own ass and he didn't
@@vileplume3739 in the scene where he gets stabbed, he says something along the lines of “the blade, it’s stopped me from phasing.” Then he never phases in the movie again.
Lifting the hammer has zero to do with strength. A dying cancer patient lifted it. A frog lifted it. Don't forget the Thor core. Vision debuted in 1968 and was nothing like what he would become. Forgive the MCU for not giving Vision all of his power in a 15 minute montage so he could represent the entire catalog of abilities. This whole take is from someone who just read a vision comic and is disappointed that vision isn't the strongest avenger. Every one of the Avengers go through power spikes and get depowered, in any comic or story each Avenger has been shown capable of being near the top power levels of any other Avenger and later shown to be a liability and needing protection. The powers scale according to the writers as they try to tell an interesting & compelling story. Finally it has also been cleared up the MCU isn't 616 so if the characters do not fit your exact image of what they should be consider that you're taking powers, abilities and attributes of an entirely different character from another story. This dumping on the MCU for the sake of it is incredibly weird as if we haven't all been watching it for the last 18 years. The MCU can drink now. And this back and fourth of the latest MCU movies and series are so much worse then the previous take vs the MCU was so much worse then we remember take I think has more to do with the entire generation in between that means maybe you just weren't the target audience for this movie.
Idk what point you were trying to make, but he never said lifting the hammer had anything to do with strength? He said it virtually made him morally correct
0:08 "this disconnect between Vision's potential and his portrayal on screen has bothered me for quite some time" well, it hasn't bothered me. Actually I don't care at all. Why am I even watching this?
@1:15 My personal theory is that Vision shooting War Machine was no accident, he did it on purpose. Vision is like Data, from Star Trek, in a way. He has already calculated the outcome of every possible action and chosen the best one. The likelihood of him "missing" Falcon is very small and even if he missed, he would have fired at such an angle that he doesn't hit War Machine. Why did he do it? He was fighting on the opposite side of Scarlet Witch because he believed the accords were a way to protect her from humanity BUT.......... When he finally had her and was preparing to take her back to safety, he saw in her eyes how painful this entire encounter was for her and how committed she was to the cause. Whatever the reason she chose to help Captain America, Vision saw it meant a lot to her to see him succeed. He loves her. He ignored War Machines 1st call for help and on the second call, he fired a shot to disable War machine, knowing Tony would give up his pursuit as well. The shot he fired was close to Falcon but too high, even before Falcon attempted to dodge and "Perfectly" hit War Machines Arc reactor. The only thing I dont believe he accounted for was Rhodes being so badly hurt, mostly because Vision didnt know he was about to betray Tony. Tony: How did this happen? Vision: I became distracted. Tony: I didnt think that was possible. Vision: Neither did I. Vision lied here. He cant be distracted, or tricked. He is fully conscious of whats going on around him and made a decision based on something other than math and logic. He did it on purpose.
Uru Metal is stronger than Vibrianium, which is why Thanos was able to hack away at Cap's shield in Endgame. Wouldn't surprise me if Corvus' glaive was made from the same.
Thank you! The oversights in consistency of ability amongst the heroes has always bugged me - surely the writers could not have been that lazy or that unimaginative?
Vision is more than bunch of metal. The mind stone gave him consciousnesses and made him into a being. So the spell cast on mjolnir works on Vision too. He is worthy. He is not an elevator.
Most super hero movies do this. During the movie the hero’s and villains display great abilities but during the finale fight scene it’s most just punching and kicking.
THANK YOU! I started collecting comic books (Both DC and Marvel) back in 1974, and stopped in 2003 when the comic craziness started. The Vision was my favorite marvel character, due to his ONCE unique powers, and his character arc. To finally see someone note the Vision's powers were under-used is refreshing, but then as with the dynamic of being a part of a super-group, expected. The video is now saved to my UA-cam FAVORITES folder. Thanks again.
The hammer feat doesn't prove shit because he's an AI It's the same as saying Shield's helicarrier or Tony's table are worthy because they too can handle mjolnir's weight (i agree with the rest of the video tho)
there's so many reasons why Vision & other power house characters are underwhelming. Top 3: 1. Actors like RDJ & Chris Evans have more screen time written into their contracts, where they have to be on camera for an agreed minimum (this affects the storyline & puts limitations on the writers) 2. Many of the writers for MCU, et.al, have no preexisting knowledge of the characters' backgrounds; nor have they even read a comic bk 3. Plot Armor... while plot armor typically applies to a character not dying, the effects can create plot holes. While trying to portray the power of one character, the other character has to be toned down; much like the scene with Vision & Corvus Glaive
I never thought about Vision being nerfed (i was always more focused on Hulk getting nerfed) but you make excellent points, and you're absolutely right!
I really do like the Marvel movies. But one of the problems I noticed is that they don't seem to have read the books and understand their characters, skill set, or what made them popular. I always liked the vision when I was a kid reading the books, and he did seem fairly unstoppable. They just didn't portray him anywhere close to that on screen
Honestly all they needed to do, was have a group of villains who are Thanos' top guys be sent to go retrieve the mind stone, they corner vision/get him to a place where its him vs like 30 of them, and then Vision is basically beating their asses and then they outsmart/overcome him eventually, after making Vision look stupidly broken and then we'd all be hyped af.
Totaly agree with everything you said. It's sad really, all they hadto do is introduced another powerful opponent to balance things out. That would have made some really good fight scenes show casing some truly unique powers
They did the same thing with hulk, having to weaken him in order to make the antagonists more dangerous. This was already used in age of ultron as well, turning him into a side mission for tony. They literally threw away his character in the later movies.
Hollywood has fallen apart because there is no one taking care of continuity. There used to be people whose sole job was to make aure things made sense.
Regarding Corvus Glaive (pronounced Glave) His weapon in the comics can separate atoms, it cuts on an atomic level. In addition, I think they gave it the same ability of Proxima Midnights staff, it can nullify powers. She stabbed the Hulk with it and it reverted him to Banned and prevented him from changing back. I think they gave the same power to Glaives. This is why Glaive couldnt stand after he got stabbed by her weapon.
What really annoyed me about The Vision in "Civil War" was that, after he had accidentally blasted War Machine, he could have swiftly and easily saved him from crashing, but he did nothing.
great point
He was compromised by Wanda. That was his entire issue that film. If someone's head isn't in the game they make mistakes. Hence he blasted Warmachine instead of Falcon.
Never occurred to me, but you're absolutely right!
@@Lastjustice he was so compromised he couldnt fly until after warmachine hit the ground????
@@freddychico3621 He was too focused on Wanda and was careless. I don't think he even realized what he did till was too late.
so what your saying is ......they lack a clear VISION for this character 🤗
Vision:"Your not funny"😊
@@andrebrown9580 🤣
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Wow I didn't See that one coming.
Just like Wanda lacked vision as well
They don't know how to scale power levels in the MCU
no shit, its almost like plot exists.
@General_JacksonYT plot has nothing to do with scaling the heros power level. If they can have superman Aquaman wonder woman and Batman in the same movie and all they powers and skills showed believably. MCU should be able to do it too . But they really don't . They have iroman fighting Thor to a stand still..which is kinda crazy
@@spectrexr1 agreed, it is kinda crazy.
@@General_JacksonYT it's always tripped me out in the MCU . Like when cap and bucky was beating ironman ass . But iroman was in a suit more powerful than the one he fought Thor to a stand still with lol. I'm like how two enhanced humans giving him the work in that suit. Eventually I was like y'all got it lol. Got use to it
@@spectrexr1 yeah
I feel like the MCU in general just glazes all over Iron man and Cap. The way they disrespect Wanda, Vision, Hulk and Thor in order for them to shine is insane. How was Thor a demigod losing to Thanos with both stormbreaker and mjolnir, while Cap was on par with him being just a super soldier with only mjolnir, what happened to the whole movie about Thor being strong beside his hammer? Atleast Strange never really gets downplayed, but it still pisses me off.
Tbf with Cap Vs Thanos, the same thing that happened with Hulk happened to Cap. Cap gets the drop on Thanos when he's not paying attention to him and gets a few good hits in. Then Thanos turns the tide and starts destroying him and then cuts into the shield. Hulk got a few good hits while Thanos was off guard and then got beaten up once Thanos started fighting back. You're definitely right about Thor and the hammer part though. I actually hated the fact that he spends a film being told he doesn't need the hammer since that just channels part of his actual power then the next film he's in, he's like I need a Thanos killing weapon
I think Dr Strange gets downplayed during Avengers films. He doesn't use the time stone in Infinity War, if I remember right he was about to use it and then Iron Man flew past him
@@Yearman8 He only uses it once, when he's looking ahead and determines that they only have one chance of winning. I do like that Thanos calls him out though. " You're full of tricks, wizard. But you never once used your greatest weapon...*crushes Eye of Agamotto*...a fake."
"Atleast Strange never really gets downplayed," Yeah, that would suck if they had like, say, Ebony Maw beat Strange in a 5 second one v one like he was manhandling a child rather than the sorceror supreme...
@@michaels5217 This was such a disappointment. Supposed to showcase the greatness of Ebony but all it did was made Strange look very weak.
@@Yearman8 he tried to use it but Ebony Maw disabled him
The show What if? Showed the full potential of vision when ultron takes over his body. Oooo boy the destruction he causes. Splitting thanos in half was the least bit of his terrifyingness.
That's pretty much WHY they nerfed him in Infinity War; because he could have ended the conflict before it became a problem.
@@fizzywhizzbanger5610so could've Wanda or Thor. However they worked around that. Maybe Thanos loops time so he respawns like strange did against dormahmu, so in the end vision must make the decision to let him take the stone as a way to stop his army from killing innocents.
@@Fusion05 Uh, no; Thor got his ass handed to him by Thanos the first time they fought, and needed Stormbreaker before he stood a chance against the Mad Titan. Unfortunately, by the time Thor *had* Stormbreaker and got to Wakanda, Thanos already had all six gems.
Wanda vs. Thanos with no gems? Wanda takes an easy W, as shown in Endgame. Wanda vs. Thanos with 5 gems? No, she was shown to barely be able to hold him off long enough to destroy the mind gem.
The main problem they had was that they nerfed Thanos to the ground. He was too weak to go against the Avengers and there ever be a fair fight. There are dozens of characters on the Avengers side that seem to be able to beat him 1vs1 if he would not had the infinity stones. He was never a threat in Endgame.
It's simple actually - starting with Civil War Vision is a pacifist. He is always holding back. I know it's a cliche in superhero movies, but it works perfectly for Vision. It was clear that he was remorsful about killing Ultron, and that was before he criplled Rhodes by accident.
Mind Stone made Vision physically extremly powerful, and at the same time mentaly unable to use all this power.
Yeah, but shooting that beam at Falcon was very out of character in the first place. If that beam had hit Falcon directly, it would have brought him down much faster with severe injuries from the beam
Im sure war machine wouldve caught him..........maybe
The whole scene doesn't really make sense at all. Vision could have easily caught Rhodes and probably caught up to cap in the quinjet aswell. They should have found a way to exclude Wanda and Vision from this fight in my opinion!
Then HISHE absolutely made a damn good point about destroying the plane well before they took off. no one gets hurt and everything is over.
@@Chrislmisl Look how many people complain about characters not being in the final Endgame scene (like the TVA, Eternals, Moon Knight, etc...). It would not have gone over well with the audience and this video would still exist if Wanda and Vision weren't in the airport battle :D
Its not just vision. Thor,Hulk and others recieved severe nerfs for no reason in the mcu, vision just got it the worst imo
It isn't "for no reason". If they were as powerful as they've ever been in the comics, there would be no stakes. It would be fun watching a fight for about 30 seconds and then like... what do you do with the rest of the film? The fight with Hulk vs Thanos where Hulk gets whipped would simply not happen if Hulk's power was scaled to what it should be. He'd just get angrier being beaten and get stronger and stronger and become unstoppable until he kills Thanos and probably nearly everyone else on the ship. Movie over. Instead we get impotent Hulk because like... that's the only way we have a movie.
@Konitama so much cope from someone can't be possible 😭
@@aspentakoradiYou think OP stuff is fun?
@Konitama yeah cause Thanos wouldn't be able to retreat and come up with a way to deal with a powerhouse like hulk, instead we get pussy hulk just so that mark ruffalo can get more screen time... it's genuinely just lazy writing.
Vision is just another version of the superman problem.
At his creation in the MCU he was supposed to be ultrons perfect body built out of vibranium so it couldn't be destroyed.
Then he got added buffs beyond that with the mind stone.
Dude is absurdly up and they have him play house.
Been enjoying these videos. Could you do one on Icarus flying into the sun at the end of Eternals.
He couldn't fly at super speeds so we get to imagine him floating through outer space for weeks or even months regretting his decisions 😅
Maybe Icarus can fly to superspeed. But in the atmosphere he don't because air friction will tend to make him combust. Out of atmosphere, then, he can get to superspeed without anything holding him back.
@jeanrenaudsagswing no
There is no "Superman problem".
@revenantronin8377 oh, neat. Then what are we talking about?
@@revenantronin8377 There is, its that the writers don't understand how to write Superman.
Powerful characters next to regular ones always is tough... its like when you have Superman, why do you need the rest of the League. I remember a comic where Hulk went on a rampage and owned all the Avengers without breaking a sweat and Vision phasing his hand into Hulk's heart was the only way to stop him. Maybe if they made it more clear he tries to avoid violence for fear of becoming the next Ultron it could at least go a little way to why h pulls his punches.
Is actually not tough, people just don't understand that you can have people contributing in different ways. Some powers are too much for regular humans sure, a speedster should kill Batman every time before anyone can stop them except the Flash. However that's the point. Batman in a group fight shouldn't be trying to punch Supermans dance partner. He should be making sure no one gets in Supermans way. Watching for Kyrptonite and using his tech to disable anything enemy or enemy tech that could interfere. He should be slipping away and trying to turn off the alien portal or death machine while Superman tanks the big enemies. The flash should be handling large groups with speed or 1v1ing the enemy Speedster.
They should all be participating but that does not mean they need to be fighting Thanos. Captain America throwing the GOD hammer Mjolnir at Thanos is fine. Maybe even a few swings when he's busy with other people. However he should never be matching strength against the Mad Titan. Because the gap is simply too big to ever bridge on his own.
Vision should be matched with foes his level and those foes should be taken down by Thor or Wanda or someone if need be. Not humans who kick good. The Spy should be doing Spy stuff. Captain America should be leading and performing field commands so everyone is doing their jobs. You don't need to ignore a characters limits. You need to embrace them.
@@Merilirem Personally I like that approach of divide and conquer... ground level heroes on a stealth mission while the mid tier take on the bad guy and the big guns take our his ships overhead.
@@Merilirem It felt like the first Avengers movie understood this.
@@Merilirem Sure but you don't really get to just pick who you fight in a battle. Batman can avoid fighting a Kryptonian all he wants but if they flew up to fight him, he's effed. Then we'd just be suspending our disbelief that there's never going to be a mismatched fight happening... like all the heroes and villains know to only fight people at their level or something. That would be worse, imo. Not like Bizarro Superman is going to fly up to Batman and say "oh sorry, you're just a regular guy, I'm gonna go fight Superman now, later"
Happens in the comics all the time as well. As someone who used to read the punisher comics, how many times they had to nerf more powerful characters to make it seem like punisher stood a chance. And I am sure DC has done this a ton of times to make batman an equal opponent.
I love Batman as much as the next guy, but yeah, I don't care how much prep time you give him, there's no way a normal human is dodging Darkseid's Omega Beams.
They nerf Deathstroke a lot
Oh don't get me started on all of the glazing people do for the Punisher sometimes. Dude is a psycho with a gun, barely a C lister yet sometimes they make him seem like he can one v one Venom, Logan (that's right, someone actually wrote a comic where the Punisher defeated Wolverine), Spiderman and ghost rider.
0:36 - Yes, he, above all else, understands his powers. He understands the danger he offers, and he CHOOSES to be a pacifist. In What IF we get a peek into what someone like Ultron, with little regard to life, can do with said powers but none of the moral shackles. Vision was made to be a hero, but he just wants a peaceful human life.
1:08 - Because he is that much self aware, he sides with Tony and tries to be a guide to Wanda, who is also unbelievably powerful, with even more potential. He holds backs because he doesn't want to harm friends, and when he steps out of that line even slightly it immediately backfires on him. It's not inconsistent, it's perfectly consistent.
1:54 - Vibranium is not indestructible, it's not even the strongest metal in the universe, just a very rare, lightweight and strong alloy found on Earth. It has particular properties, like shock/wave absorption, but it's not the end all be all for metals in the MCU. Even Asgard had better stuff since way back in Thor 1.
2:20 - Vision is not a fighter. He is powerful, but he doesn't WANT to fight ever. He is a pacifist. And he got jumped and was injured the whole time. Wanda at that point is just a girl. She barely knows how to use her own powers (despite being very powerful). Before Age of Ultron, she opted for indirect confrontation, while being mentored by Cap and the other avengers she starts to be more of a hitter (Civil War) still with a very rudimentary use of her abilities, but after the split she goes back to a normal life and stops training. Meanwhile, Cap, Falcon, Black Widow are all active fighters, long-life soldiers, with decades of experience with fighting stronger/faster enemies. Fights (good ones) aren't just "stronger character wins". Context makes the fight. Wanda wouldn't even begin to understand her powers until WandaVision, of course she lost when she got jumped by people prepared to fight her. It's a similar to case as of why the Hulk seems much weaker when Banner is in control.
2:53 - Vision was created in a moment of desperation trying to stop Ultron from getting his final form. He stands as a juxtaposition to Ultron's ideals. Ultron was programmed to end conflict, and to that end he concluded he must end life. Even when Ultron was just a few scrapped robots, he was throwing down, he wanted that smoke, no chill. Vision, however, had no programming. When he woke up, he was a free living being, with the power to be anything he wanted, and he chose a normal life. That's the whole theme behind it. Vision just going full Ultron on someone, even the villains, would be the actual betrayal of his character. Rather, being a pacifist and mentor is exactly what he was meant to be.
Also, the claim they couldn't handle his power is absurd. Vision is not even at the top of the pole. His arc was crafted so Wanda would be in a moral dilemma and set up her next arc.
3:40 - Yes, he is a one of a kind life form that sees humanity from the outside. That's how he deals with the opposing qualities. You're basically stating what his character is and the themes he works as if that's a flaw and not the actual point.
I believe there were some problems with marvel even before endgame, but vision is not even close to being one of them. The video creator failed to understand that vision's desire to live a normal life wasn't inconsistency, it was a part of his arc. Completely agree with most of your points
Get of MCU Meat
The claim they couldn't handle his power is not absurd. Ultron in Vision's body literally one shots Thanos in the marvel what if show.
@@coolbeans3752 if you don't hate everything you're shilling wah wah wah
@burnttoast.2017 So did Thor, in that actual movie. The fact Thanos wasn't on Earth for the majority of the time already keeps him away of Vision, there is nothing writers had to worry about Vision's power. What they wanted however was to use him for Wanda's arc.
And the airport battle in civil war was BS anyway because they weren't really trying to kill each other they were just playing around. That was one of the problems with the MCU certain fights. You just didn't take serious because you knew nothing was going to happen. They almost did the same thing with hulk. They reduced him to nothing too. That's one thing I liked about the dceu. No matter how powerful the character was, they always displayed it and was able to scale it to everything around them and still made it believable
Suspension of disbelief is a pre requisit for anyone trying to have a good time watching super-hero movies though otherwise you will always find something to critique 😅
@@DavidPortugueseGAMER There is always something to critique in media. That does not mean you need to avoid noticing it. If its bad its bad. Being a superhero movie does not mean it has to be bad. Suspension of disbelief isn't something you can control. Its the writers job to make sure they don't stretch it too far for the audience. Not the audiences job to apply it beyond its natural limits.
There is someone briefly lifting a car with Adrenaline. That is still believable. People do that. Then there is that person throwing the car. That is too much and immediately says superpowers. If you say someone is a regular human and have them fighting someone you said can crack a planet in half, by blocking punches, you have gone too far.
@@Merilirem Sure. But that didn't happen and that's what I mean. People get easilly influenced by their mob mentality's nature and that's on the audience if they fail to acknowledge such behaviour tendencies. Magnifying miniscule details to the point of making it a huge down side of a movie when it really wasn't all that important to begin with is who I'm getting at. This last Venom movie is the perfect example of what I'm saying. Even before watching the movie themselves plenty of dudes already create this narrative in their head that it's a bad movie because they saw many others saying so on the internet. Creating therefore some expectations on the audience to be a picky prick looking at every frame with the intent of comfirming their own bias. This goes both on the positive and negative side of watching something while having already listened to other's critique of it. It's why I don't even watch trailers anymore neither do I watch reviews of them before watching them myself whilst it is all a novelty in my head. Content becomes far more enjoyable this way imo.
Hulk just got outgrown by strong characters
@jimmcneal5292 No they just made them mad weak. They kept vision out of the fight for the most part because they didn't know how to scale him to the rest of the characters. And they wasn't trying to fight to hurt each other for real anyway
Vision was not worthy of Mjolnir. Vision picking up the hammer is the same as the hammer not destroying any inanimate object that thor sits or lays it on. The hammer judges the soul. Vision was created with the mind stone. if he was created with the soul stone, then whether he's worthy or not could be judged.
...true that he picks it with ease due to the mind stone.
But the fact that the mind stone is part of him, it makes him worthy...
It’s neither of these, Vision is an android, he’s not real
The hammer is picked up by virtually nothing
In the comics, Adam Warlock wielded the Soul Gem, but it was changed to Vision in the adaptation due to his late introduction.
@@ninjanibba4259 Vison's essence in the MCU is a combination of science and magic, so I would not go as far as saying he is not "real" in the narrative of films. In the comics his origins are not exactly the same but is described as a "Synthetic" human. Just because something is not natural it does no tnecessarily mean fake or not "real". Context is important and in the context of both the comics and films he is definitely portrayed as a sentient being, thus making him real.
@@smoothdeep
He’s just a robot dawg
similar reason they underutilized the hulk. they dont know how to handle super powerful characters without making them seem unstoppable.
Vision could easily control the mind of any one he touches... He could have controlled the villians... This power is also not used...
He doesn't understand the mind stone or wield it's power in that manner. This why Wanda has better control over it than he does. She uses it against him and forces him to increase his density till he falls through the floors.
@@Lastjustice Even Wanda doesn't know much about the stone. She was unable to predict the attack on them in Avengers infinity war. The stone was clearly telling vision about an imminent attack. Further in comics vision does have mind control power.
@@rangocharlie007 She has a connection to the stone, and a better understanding of how control it than Vision does. She has telepathy/telekinesis, not being clairvoyant, so understandable she doesn't see the attack coming while Vision senses due to the stones being connected. Comic book characters tend to have way more powers than their movie counterparts, as it makes them easier to write. Thor has tons of powers movie Thor does not. This goes for many characters, it's rare the MCU version is stronger than the comic version of a character.
0:40 he's a machine so he just wasn't judged
Nah, he’s synthezoid, he’s basically a man and would be judged as such by Mjolnir. He was literally born yesterday at the time of lifting Mjolnir 😂 making him innocent, curious and free of corruption. He was essentially a highly intelligent baby with no corrupt heart.
@@ElijahChikondiOr maybe it’s both.
So Steve, Tony and Thor preferred to believe. In actuality it's left ambiguous.
The way it's portrayed, we're meant to think he's actually worthy. The fact that he'd just been born may be closer to the reason why than that he's not completely human.
@@jen4532 Indeed. I'm surprised at the number of people who seem to take Tony and the others' obvious copium as the word-of-god truth.
The thing that is annoying is that he truly is powerful. The thing that’s holding him back is The Vision and the writing.
They wanted The Vision to be the guy that wins his battles through wisdom and logic. A guy that only fights because he’s left no other option, but even then, he’ll still show restraint.
Meanwhile, in the what-if universe where ultron successfully gets uploaded into the vision body, he no-diffed everyone. Bro sliced thanos in half the second he showed up. And he did that with the same laser attack that our Vision has access to, but never uses.
1:52 in Endgame Cap's Shield was destroyed(which is also made from vibranium)by Thanos's giant blade. Isn't that the same material as Corvus Glaive's weapon?
its made from uru, same as stormbreaker which is stronger then caps shield. so its not plot weakness related
Assuming both weapons are the same material, it doesn't make sense. Thanos needed multiple strikes to break through the shield, a relatively thin object. Meanwhile Glaive was able to stab all the way through Vision in one go. This would make Glaive several times as strong as Thanos, which is obviously contradicted by literally everything else.
@@gammoregan it's not the same bloody metal, Thanos blade is made out of Uru and caps shield is not. Thanos blade is way stronger than caps shield.
@@General_JacksonYT Reread my comment. I'm saying that Thanos blade is made out of the same material as Glaive's polearm. So when comparing Thanos needing multiple strikes to cut through the shield, which is less than an inch thick in one of its dimensions, to Glaive stabbing all the way through Vision and more out the other end in one strike, while Vision's body has considerable width in every dimension, it would mean that Glaive is physically much stronger than Thanos. And then later in the same scene Glaive has trouble fighting Cap & 2 baseline humans.
@gammoregan i remember that scene, and see your point.
"instead of showcasing his capability as one of the Avengers' heaviest hitters, he's portrayed more as a distant, logical presence rather than a frontline fighter" erm, isn't that the whole point of the Vision though? That's literally the perfect description (to me) of what the Vision's character should be?
Kind of like Beast. both Beast and Vision are ridiculously strong characters but they prefer using their minds.
Except Beast isn’t one of X-Men’s heaviest hitters. He’s strong, for sure, but he’s not like Rogue,Colossus,Warpath or Juggernaut.
@@blaxpoitation8528 That's not important for the point being made
@@92brunod It is, because Vision was specifically designed to defend Earth. So if he's ''As strong as ANY of us, possibly ALL of us'' as Tony Stark says, then he should serve his purpose when it matters, like in Infinity War.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Still irrelevant to the point.
On top of the fact that Vision trascended his programming. He's a sentient being making his own choices and decisions. What Tony Stark designed him for or says about him, doesn't matter in the slightest.
Don’t except bad writing
He never really use the stone powers
I think it's Uru. The metal used to forfe Thors hammer, maybe, and Thanos' blade; the weapon that broke Cap's shield.
That's probably what Corvus has
1:40 I believe it's like "Glave". Like the weapon he uses.
You nailed this completely and I’ve been feeling this way for a while.
1. We should all know by now that Wanda is just about omega level, if not omega. She should’ve had Thanos by herself and would’ve had no problems dealing with both of his lieutenants. It would’ve been a joke.
2. Vision appeared to be almost omega level as well. He handled Ultron as if he was a rag doll, and that’s nothing to sneer at. I don’t believe for a second that Corvus Glaive would’ve gotten the best of him.
3. Given 1 and 2, vision and Wanda would’ve made mincemeat out of Thanos. They would’ve caught him before the reality stone, which wouldn’t have worked on them. Game over.
I give him pass for losing to Corvus Glaive because he whooped Cap 1 on 1 at the end of the movie too
It was total BS for Thanos to be able to rip the gem from Vision's forehead. He should not be able to come close to that strength. He should have at least needed a pair of adamantium pliers or aomething.
Wonda should have never been able to destroy the mind stone, and Thanos should not have been able to break Vibranium with his hands. Also they did the same thing to the hulk, took all his power away in order to allow other characters to shine
the funniest part for me is still the fact that they showed on screen that sorcerer portals are specifically able to cut off arms, and then proceed to not attempt it in the most arm-cutting-off operation in the universe.
why? We saw in Wandavison that the mind stone amplified her powers and shes one of the most powerful characters in the mcu with her chaos magic, not to mention she is destined to rule/destroy the world stated in the darkhold
Thanos had five of the six infinity stones on him when he did that to Vibranium. If he couldn't break it, he had bigger issues with his plan.
I always felt Vision was intended to be somewhat indecisive. Jarvis was not ever an AI with a lot of initiative. Ultron got a lot more Stark and Vision got a lot more Jarvis. So he was based on a passive character.
Ur excepting bad writing
@@watermelonaxe *accepting. Dumbasz
Same thing wit Hulk....😐😐😐
0:37 mjolnir isnt heavy. It just needs worthiness but vision also cant be worthy as its just a machine. So him picking it up means nothing at all.
Been a WHILE since ive watched these movie but isnt he capable of thought, like actual human thought?
hes more like cyborg cus he was made from vibranium and organic tissue
Couldn't be more wrong. Vision is worthy that is why he was able to pick up the hammer. It's not that hard to understand
@@bestlaptop_psnAs cool as that would be it's untrue. Vision is a synthezoid. He is 100% machine. This is further shown in Wandavision. He is "worthy" in the same way the coat rack in Dark World is
@GabrielSipes-t3s false. Thor said he is worthy, so I am taking his word. And there is no comparison with a coat rack. These weapons can tell what something is. When Hulk tried to lift it it didn't bring down the entirety of the heli carrier.
Somehow, the more I watch the movies and the older I get, the more I dislike them and find them unrealistic. I think THE BOYS just gave me the perfect concept of what a world with Superhumans should look like.
The one thing i really wanted was him to acknowledge the fact that he's STILL technically Jarvis and would have his memories. He could have had some good moments bringing that up to Tony and talking about what it was like to be Jarvis
I sighed LITERALLY at the same time as you did at 2:03 when they said that he got stabbed by a "vibranium-penetrating material".
They did the same with Hulk and they also really did Starlord a dirty one.
Superman writers often have this issue
Lifting mjolnir has nothing to do with strenght
Sacrificing consistent storytelling for the sake of one cool fightscene is the curse of superhero movies, and especially the MCU.
Yeah, I am a huge Vision fan and Civil War and Infinity War are quite frustrating when it comes to Vision. The infamous scene in what if where Ultron lasers Thanos in half made me realise that there is a narrative sollution to Visions lack of power, which is actually really interesting. Ultron created the Vision as the ultimate weapon and the What If Episode kind of confirms that Vision could take out all of the original Avengers plus Wanda and Quicksilver somehow. Well Visions Body could. The character and person Vision however couldn’t. Vision was always focused on becoming more human, or at least understanding them and existing among them. He never tried to develop himself the way Ultron would have, so he never reached the same power level as his counterpart in What If. All of that however is never explored, which is a real shame…
1:33 he supposed to unleash on the other avengers?
Like!!!??? 😭😭😭
This shit made me laugh hard as fuck lmao, because it’s true 💀💀. Man’s not about to just melt his friends over this disagreement they’re having.
2:02 AHAHAHAHA I had the exact same reaction at the exact same time xD
I have to disagree with you on this one. Vision is a very powerful being, but I don't think wants to fight. They took him out in infinity war for a reason, and how they took him out of the story made sense. I feel like there are bigger plot holes and characters portrayed in worse ways. For example, captain marvel. She only showed up to kill thanos and wasnt shown in the movie at all until the final battle, which she didn't even do much. I also hate how they nerfed Thor like crazy to be on the same level as fucking Captain America.
The issue is there is a lack on consistency. In Civil War, did you see the beam he aimed at Falcon. Someone that doesn't want to fight shouldn't be doing that.
In Civil War everyone was purposefully holding back while they were fighting each other.
You don't understand the character or the verse he's in at all and it shows, it feels like your main argument is "uhhh vision strong so he should beat up everyone" when that is not at all his character in any way shape or form, reread the movies and understand his narrative, please.
He’s supposed to be a fighter just like any other Avengers, no?
In defense of the MCU writers, they did write vision where it kinda does make sense. Vision was obviously holding back in civil war and he was sneak attacked in infinity war. Not to mention he was important to the plot of possessing the mind stone.
He should essentially be immortal
I’d argue that Vision isn’t a fighter. He detests violence, so does what he can to stay out of it. As for Wanda, she’s never been trained to use her powers. She’s made discoveries by tinkering with what she could do, but that’s it.
agreed. Vision is one of my favorites and is a very powerful Avenger
I was told back in the day that the MCU initially had a supervisory board whose role was to maintain in-universe continuity by monitoring the work of creative teams behind individual movies. Apparently you can trace the cracks that went on to derail the franchise to the decision to get rid of the continuity monitors once Marvel blew up the way that it did.
Civil War was such a bad idea for a movie. Having the heros fight non lethally was doomed to have plot holes.
heroes used to use guns and kill people
look old movies and i am not talking like the 90's movies
i mean early MCU Captain America 1st avenger shooting a gun
The Avengers 1 cap shooting a M16 black widow shooting guns
ironman 1 & 2 traight up shooting people with the shoulder bullets things
the winter soldier ..... Falcon used dual uzis or and vs ant man ...
but at some point around for political reasons all heroes no bullet killing guns
all electrical stunt lasers guns ..... and punching
suddenly it shifted from young adults to straight up kids movies
Siblings fight alll the time and hold back aha
@@TruthTheChamp yeah that’s super interesting to watch
@nickjunes it was.
It was a political angle of the team debating the direction & consequential coordination of the team.
Mixed in with a betrayal cover up story of murder?
Sounds like a hit. Was a hit. And if you dont like it... hey man have at it ur opinion! Lol
@@TruthTheChamp Sounds like it would make a better email than a movie.
The effectiveness of each character is in direct correlation to whatever is required in the movie plot at any given moment.
Hard to believe. But bro's spitting the facts🙌🏻🫂
in infinity war, wanda could have healed him, and if she did and he got his powers back, imagine vision vs thanos
"Demonstrating both his worthiness and physical strength."
Pick one.
Right
Your last line sums it up for me - Why in the world would you want that battle to end early? Sure, Vision has some power inconsistencies, but if he was utilized the way you want him to be, the movie would have ended without that team fight and we would all be annoyed. Sometimes a decision is made that isn't in-world logical but is better for the audience.
I agree with you but not being able to write in a way that’s good for the audience and logical in-universe is, in essence, poor writing
3:38 you have misunderstood vision if you think he should just be a fighter
Vision’s power as it was written in the comics was the ability to control the density of his body. Everything except that energy blast from the jewel on his forehead was based on him changing his density. He could fly by making his density so thin that he would be lighter than air. That’s also how he was able to pass through things. His strength came from his density being so compressed. In the comics it wasn’t a power stone in his head and his body wasn’t made out of vibranium. In fact his body was that of the original Human Torch who was an android, too. Ultron was created by Hank Pym (original Ant Man) not Stark. MCU basically rewrote most of everything about the Vision to fit their scripts.
@:44 you just invalidated your whole video. Vision is a machine, an elevator, a crane, he is NOT worthy. He has no soul, the hammer cannot determine if he is worthy or not. This fact also explains why Thor could put it on a coat hook, the helicarrier didn't fall to the ground, and Hulk, arguably the strongest avenger, could not lift Mjølnir during the fight. @2:02 I am pretty sure that was the same material that Thanos's dual sword was made of. Look what that did to Cap's vibranium shield.
Wrong he is worthy.
@detective2221 Thor said he can wield and Vision was shown to wield it. So he is worthy. I base this off Thor's word. Also, these weapons have some sort of consciousness or sentience. They can choose what moves them like an elevator but not a truck. Being handled by a being who is unworthy.
@detective2221 the hammer deemed Vision worthy and it makes sense within the context of the narrative. In the MCU and the comics the enchantment does not limit itself to only living beings only beings that meet the worthy enchantment
@detective2221 SHE-HULK (2005) #14 and the mcu
This is a really good video, but to be fair, I once read or saw a video on social media that explained that during Civil War, Vision was holding back so that he wouldn't seriously harm any of his fellow Avengers. However, I agree wholeheartedly about what you said about Vision and the weaker Avengers coming to the aid of Wanda and Vision in Infinity War. But I will admit, I still loved the story of Infinity War and the scene of Cap/Falcon/Black Widow coming to their rescue. 😂
Wich literally means he knows everything and can control minds and predict exactly every scene
Also wanda is stronger smh. While possessing a tiny fraction of a stone power. How does this even works?
I will never forgive them for taking Jarvis from us
Umm no, he lifted Mjolnir’s hammer because he’s a robot and so the enchantment simply didn’t activate for him.
Thank you
I think the logic of Thor's hammer is confusing. Since they put being worthy for lifting the hammer. Then, I wish it would break the inertia by looking at the source of the will. I mean. If you put it in an elevator, it will go up, but who pressed the button for the elevator to go up? Who is the cause of the actions. So, if they worthy, elevator can move; but if they not, the hammer cannot move. It would make more sense if they presented it like this. Now Vision has will, if he has will, it shouldn't matter that he is a machine. Because I can cover the hammer with paper and I can lift because the last touch is not mine the paper. Or, I can put the hammer in a drone and I can move it everywhere.
Yes. I agree. Also beyond the robot theory, Ultron is weilding a mind stone. Infinity stones are more powerful than Asgardian magic for sure, so they should negate it
Not true. Don’t forget that in Thor‘s original movie people tried to move it with a pick up truck with no luck.
@@Way2caffeinated yesss you gave good example 👍
I, too, was pissed at how Vision was defeated so easily in Infinity Wars. Hulk and Vision. Two heroes potential never tapped.
big facts
Its like hulk. Hulk was the weakest!
hulk, wanda, vision, thor, and captain marvel have to constantly constantly be fking nerfed because the other half of the team are essentially human except cap, slightly, comparatively. and forget about quicksilver, cuz they did.
Picking up Mjollinir was shorthand to the audience the avengers could trust him. It doesn't prove his strength in the slightest, as a regular hook on a wall holds up mjollnir in one of the Thor movies. The worthiness test doesn't check against nonliving objects. Thor sets his weapon down on regular tables and doesn't destroy them.
Visions in Civil War isn't trying engage in the violence. This why he doesn't just wreck everyone. He wants to reason with Cap's team. He can't do that if he just punching them all out. Scarlet Witch is his weakness in so many ways, so this is part of why he underperforms. He is compromised by her and she can trigger the mind stone in his head against him. This clouds his judgment.
In Infinity war he gets damaged by Black order as their weapons designed to hunt the infinity stones and their wielders.(and are super effective on Vision for this reason.) Why the Black Order can stand against Scarlet Witch and Vision since they have counters to them. This does not offer them any advantage against Cap or Black Widow, why they can still beat them. Vision is damaged by the black order, and doesn't function at all full power for rest of the movie. Is really that hard to imagine a group devoted to collecting the infinite stones would be prepared to fight people with said stones? That's basic logic or their group would horribly fail at their mission given the scope of the infinitity stones powers.
one thing I will point out (head canon) is that vision, the more he becomes "human" the less control over his powers he has
2:06 vibranium is not the strongest metal in the universe. Thanos literally cut through captain Americas shield
You forgot that in "What if" Vision(Ultron in this body), just casually oneshot Thanos and was able travers the multiverse
What i don't get is why didn't Vision phase through Thanos hand when he tried to grab him? I am not sure if Thanos even knew he could do that at the time so he couldn't have used the Reality stone to stop him from doing that. He had at least that one chance to save his own ass and he didn't
I know it’s stupid but he got stabbed at the start, which stopped him from being able to phase
@@Number16BusShelteryeah thats exactly what caused him to not phase. They gave that reason to render him useless throughtout the film
@@Number16BusShelter what was the explanation tho? i dont remember that part, did they say "oh well stabbing beats phasing i cant phase anymore"
@@vileplume3739 in the scene where he gets stabbed, he says something along the lines of “the blade, it’s stopped me from phasing.” Then he never phases in the movie again.
Marvel has a knack for making overpowered heroes underpowered and vise versa!
Lifting the hammer has zero to do with strength. A dying cancer patient lifted it. A frog lifted it. Don't forget the Thor core.
Vision debuted in 1968 and was nothing like what he would become. Forgive the MCU for not giving Vision all of his power in a 15 minute montage so he could represent the entire catalog of abilities.
This whole take is from someone who just read a vision comic and is disappointed that vision isn't the strongest avenger. Every one of the Avengers go through power spikes and get depowered, in any comic or story each Avenger has been shown capable of being near the top power levels of any other Avenger and later shown to be a liability and needing protection. The powers scale according to the writers as they try to tell an interesting & compelling story.
Finally it has also been cleared up the MCU isn't 616 so if the characters do not fit your exact image of what they should be consider that you're taking powers, abilities and attributes of an entirely different character from another story.
This dumping on the MCU for the sake of it is incredibly weird as if we haven't all been watching it for the last 18 years. The MCU can drink now. And this back and fourth of the latest MCU movies and series are so much worse then the previous take vs the MCU was so much worse then we remember take I think has more to do with the entire generation in between that means maybe you just weren't the target audience for this movie.
What do you think the future holds for white vision?
Idk what point you were trying to make, but he never said lifting the hammer had anything to do with strength? He said it virtually made him morally correct
0:08 "this disconnect between Vision's potential and his portrayal on screen has bothered me for quite some time"
well, it hasn't bothered me.
Actually I don't care at all.
Why am I even watching this?
The problem with Vision is he sucks both in the comics and the mcu. I personally don't like Vision.
@1:15 My personal theory is that Vision shooting War Machine was no accident, he did it on purpose.
Vision is like Data, from Star Trek, in a way. He has already calculated the outcome of every possible action and chosen the best one.
The likelihood of him "missing" Falcon is very small and even if he missed, he would have fired at such an angle that he doesn't hit War Machine.
Why did he do it?
He was fighting on the opposite side of Scarlet Witch because he believed the accords were a way to protect her from humanity BUT..........
When he finally had her and was preparing to take her back to safety, he saw in her eyes how painful this entire encounter was for her and how committed she was to the cause.
Whatever the reason she chose to help Captain America, Vision saw it meant a lot to her to see him succeed.
He loves her. He ignored War Machines 1st call for help and on the second call, he fired a shot to disable War machine, knowing Tony would give up his pursuit as well.
The shot he fired was close to Falcon but too high, even before Falcon attempted to dodge and "Perfectly" hit War Machines Arc reactor.
The only thing I dont believe he accounted for was Rhodes being so badly hurt, mostly because Vision didnt know he was about to betray Tony.
Tony: How did this happen?
Vision: I became distracted.
Tony: I didnt think that was possible.
Vision: Neither did I.
Vision lied here. He cant be distracted, or tricked. He is fully conscious of whats going on around him and made a decision based on something other than math and logic.
He did it on purpose.
Yeahhh, the MCU lately.. Well, we all know how that's going. Their power scaling hasn't been the greatest.
Uru Metal is stronger than Vibrianium, which is why Thanos was able to hack away at Cap's shield in Endgame. Wouldn't surprise me if Corvus' glaive was made from the same.
Thank you! The oversights in consistency of ability amongst the heroes has always bugged me - surely the writers could not have been that lazy or that unimaginative?
Vision isn't worthy of mjolnir, vision is the elevator in which mjolnir gets lifted.
Vision is more than bunch of metal. The mind stone gave him consciousnesses and made him into a being. So the spell cast on mjolnir works on Vision too. He is worthy. He is not an elevator.
Most super hero movies do this. During the movie the hero’s and villains display great abilities but during the finale fight scene it’s most just punching and kicking.
The blade cuts between atoms.. there isnt anything in Marvel that blade can't cut. Its not just fór the movie Its comic book accurate.
He got the Hulk treatment.
THANK YOU! I started collecting comic books (Both DC and Marvel) back in 1974, and stopped in 2003 when the comic craziness started. The Vision was my favorite marvel character, due to his ONCE unique powers, and his character arc. To finally see someone note the Vision's powers were under-used is refreshing, but then as with the dynamic of being a part of a super-group, expected. The video is now saved to my UA-cam FAVORITES folder. Thanks again.
The hammer feat doesn't prove shit because he's an AI
It's the same as saying Shield's helicarrier or Tony's table are worthy because they too can handle mjolnir's weight
(i agree with the rest of the video tho)
there's so many reasons why Vision & other power house characters are underwhelming. Top 3:
1. Actors like RDJ & Chris Evans have more screen time written into their contracts, where they have to be on camera for an agreed minimum (this affects the storyline & puts limitations on the writers)
2. Many of the writers for MCU, et.al, have no preexisting knowledge of the characters' backgrounds; nor have they even read a comic bk
3. Plot Armor... while plot armor typically applies to a character not dying, the effects can create plot holes. While trying to portray the power of one character, the other character has to be toned down; much like the scene with Vision & Corvus Glaive
I never thought about Vision being nerfed (i was always more focused on Hulk getting nerfed) but you make excellent points, and you're absolutely right!
I really do like the Marvel movies. But one of the problems I noticed is that they don't seem to have read the books and understand their characters, skill set, or what made them popular.
I always liked the vision when I was a kid reading the books, and he did seem fairly unstoppable. They just didn't portray him anywhere close to that on screen
bro making valid points
Let's put heavy hitters like Hulk, Thor and Vision in the movies.........then nerf them into oblivion!
Haven't kept up with the MCU after endgame, so I completely forgot there's a perfect clone of Vision that's just been fucking around all these years.
The problem is Eye Candy scenes and Personality Hierarchy are more important than plot/character/powerDynamics integrity.
Bravo, well presented point.
Honestly all they needed to do, was have a group of villains who are Thanos' top guys be sent to go retrieve the mind stone, they corner vision/get him to a place where its him vs like 30 of them, and then Vision is basically beating their asses and then they outsmart/overcome him eventually, after making Vision look stupidly broken and then we'd all be hyped af.
Dude I absolutely love your videos please keep it up. 👍👍👍
When Vision meets Thanos in the cartoon it was over in 3 seconds.😊
Thanos destroys caps shield so why is it a stretch that his top men have similar weapons? Vibranium is just earths best metal not the galaxies
Dont defend low tier writing
Totaly agree with everything you said. It's sad really, all they hadto do is introduced another powerful opponent to balance things out. That would have made some really good fight scenes show casing some truly unique powers
They did the same thing with hulk, having to weaken him in order to make the antagonists more dangerous. This was already used in age of ultron as well, turning him into a side mission for tony. They literally threw away his character in the later movies.
Hollywood has fallen apart because there is no one taking care of continuity. There used to be people whose sole job was to make aure things made sense.
Completely agree.
Regarding Corvus Glaive (pronounced Glave) His weapon in the comics can separate atoms, it cuts on an atomic level.
In addition, I think they gave it the same ability of Proxima Midnights staff, it can nullify powers. She stabbed the Hulk with it and it reverted him to Banned and prevented him from changing back.
I think they gave the same power to Glaives. This is why Glaive couldnt stand after he got stabbed by her weapon.
Yes they did and strengths of character usually changes throughout their story telling.
Vision was so cool in Age of Ultron. He felt more like a synthetic god than a normal character.