WHY is Turkey not a football powerhouse? | Documentary
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2020
- Turkey is a country that loves and breathes football like no other. Istanbul is probably the most passionate football city in the world. Galatasaray, Fenerbahce and Besiktas - the big three dominate Turkish football. But what about the national team? The country has big clubs, great footballers and an amazing talent pool. Yet they haven’t been really successful on the big stage! Why is that? What do you think? We go on a tour to find out...
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Amazing content as usual and picking up Copa 90's slack as usual.
That's debatable ;) Jk of course. Thanks for the feedback. Spread the word!
@@dwkickoff They have great content too but its very specific stuff. Where all your guys stuff is great. Keep up the great work.
@Offset because they do have good stuff. For example "your new favorite club", "derby days" and "for the price of". But these are uncommon videos. But what makes they different from DW is that they have a different editing style that's has more of a feel of a video made by super fans and DW editing style is more documentary which is great too. I love both because of those reasons. In terms of substance DW has more quantity in terms of good content.
@@dwkickoff Did nobody mention that the Turkish clubs have no money or when they do Fifa FFP, break-even rules make the club worse.
Barcelona is a good club. Why? Cuz they are spending MONEY.
Besiktas played CL 1/16 with a team made with profit and loan or free players!
I went to Turkey I toured the stadium with a terrific atmosphere One of the best parks Vodafone the best fans in the world, the best club Besiktas in Turkey.
Slaven Bilic once said about the Turkish League: Those who have an idea, dont have rights and those who have rights, have no idea. He is talking about the corrupt Turkish football federation
Wise man!
Same here in India.
@@thomaskieran23 no one watches Indian football shutup
@@akdapdasjd9980 No one ? Are you sure ?
@@thomaskieran23 I'm talking about other countries not the gyspy India mate
Every club manager thinks he is Florentino Perez, and he is managing Real Madrid. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
😂😂😂
UK abim yine yön veriyor
Amaj Mojumder don't talk 🐒
@@clary3860 what
Ah it is for this that in Turkey there are clubs that have won against Real, manchester, juventus, Inter, liverpool? And I guess you don’t know Fatih Terim, senol gunes ....
10:56 "They exaggarate your success and they'll hit you and criticize you harshly if you are unsuccessful."
Welcome to Balkan sports jounalism.
Same in Serbia 🇷🇸🇹🇷
That's very true.
Same in South America too, specially Argentina
Same in Egypt lmao
Turkey is not a balkan country Balkans are Greece Bulgaria, Serbia ,Kosovo, Fake Macedonia,Rumania,Bosnia,Croatia. Her History is associated with this countries and that doesn't mean its a Balkan country
1:44 the ''dayı'' is too cool hahahah
Master Roland ı agree with you 😂😂
Hahahahahahah
Master Roland smokin
In Nigeria too we have a lot of passion, but the passion of the corrupt sports administrators is stronger lol
LOL! Nigeria have so much potential too. Amazing talent pool. What a team they had back in 1996, the Super Eagles! 😍🇳🇬💪 What has happened since then, kilo kola?
@Junjun Shame isn't it?
@@dwkickoff It really is shameful but I believe with the right people in place, we will take our football to where it should be. I envy the passion Turkish fans have got for their teams. Want to see passionate fans like this in Ilorin Township stadium rooting for Kwara United one day.
@Junjun yeah I always wondered how Nigeria could perform so well in the youth tournaments but we never hear any of them break into the big European teams.
@@altaafghaboos5246 they do break into european teams.. recently you have wilfried ndidi, tammy abraham, tomori, angelo ogbonna, iheanacho... etc. Decent players and only 2 of them are available for Nigeria
Istanbul, what a amazing place. I've spent six months there. Best time of my life I miss it every day.
We had a great time as well. Buzzing city 😍 maybe after Corona you'll come back one day?
@@dwkickoff most definitely 👍
@@Lucarinho where r u from m8
@@ComarSavar Germany m8
@@Lucarinho m8 do u think 1 eur equals 7 liras may be a factor u guyz like Turkey that much?
Love to my brothers in Turkey from Uzbekistan
💪🇹🇷🇰🇬🇹🇲🇰🇿🇺🇿🇦🇿💪
@cowgirl boots really?
Turan :D
sen at sürmeye devam et lütfen. gelişmemiş ülkelerdeki insanların zorla kendilerini bizim yanımıza yamamaya çalışmaları çok sinir bozucu
With such strong football countries as friends...you are doomed.
@@ulascsg Türkiyede hayatında tereyağıyı bir kere görmüş bir enik mi söylüyor bunu :D.
A Bronze medal from 2002 WC.
A Bronze medal from 2005 Confederations Cup.
A Bronze medal from EURO 2008.
That’s still a better performance than England since the century started. 😁
actually 2003 confed cup
If that's the only metric you measure success by, sure.
The difference in quality between English footballers and Turkish ones is laughably massive.
@Ali Turkey have scored one goal ever against England. One. Needless to say they have never beaten them either.
The Euros doesn't hand out bronze medals.
@kagaro Nakama And even that one trophy they cheated their way to.
Dejan Lovren talking about football in Turkey, didn't see that coming.
Don't tell anyone, Shin 91 😅😎
I thought I was the only one who suspected this 🤨
Needs to sort himself out before anything, Liverpool would still be undefeated in the league if he didn't exist.
@@anilsire2041 bit harsh
@@kingaufswag 😆 😎
Watching this makes me want to go back to Istanbul. Great City, Great People. Have had some great times there. Love from the UK.
Absolutely, matthew. Great city indeed…!
Lloyd Gittens well when you go abroad you behave and respect the culture otherwise expect the unexpected! Nobody agreed having them murdered but these things happened many other places in Europe wherever the English went !
Charlie Read do not try and bend it , who is defending murder, read my text properly you twat!
@@lancevincent9468 who got killed?
Turkish football is not only about the 3 clubs in Istanbul, never forget the local teams and the people who have a passion for their local team.
Hey man, thank you for your feedback. You're absolutely right, on the other hand though the big three from Istanbul are popular everywhere as Didem Dilmen said in the film. We know Trabzon are doing a lot right recently, but we didn't use it in the film since we focused on Istanbul's big three and the national team. They're the most popular clubs and they represent Turkish football as a whole with all its ups and downs and structural problems. A really interesting question we couldn't get answered was why aren't other Turkish clubs looking at Trabzon and Altinordu and take them as an example? What do you think...?
@@dwkickoff Trabzonspor really take care of young players and raise them, make them great players for the club. Istanbul teams don't do that, they addicted to buy players from outside.
DW Kick off! Trabzonspor has always been a club that gives chances to the youth players, especially the last couple of years and as we can see it has a positive working for the club, but also with this young players we can feed the national team. If we come to your question, I don’t think I can give you a answer as well. But I think all clubs do want succes in a short term, they have no patience. So they choose to buy old players with experience, and have no believe in their youth, and it keeps going like this every season for them. I think Trabzonspor is at the moment the best for youth players. Gives them much chances, sells them to European clubs, make money, feeds national team.
@@dwkickoff TRABZONSPOR
IS
A
BIG
TEAM
TOO!
JDIGFSGFDSGLFDSJDFGSŞ kudurmuşlar
Pretty neat documentary! The case of Germany-born Turks is fairly interesting, the mentalities are polar opposites of each other. Turkey with its emotional and passionate attempt and Germany with its pragmatic, systematic and cool-headed ideals. As you've said correctly, combining the best of both worlds should be the path to follow for Turkey - even if it means to swallow their pride sometimes
Hi man, thank you for your feedback! Appreciate the kind words. You think they can be a dark horse at Euro 2021?
@@dwkickoff Up until a month or two ago, we thought we had a decent shot b/c we thought it was a favorable draw playing the tournament opening game in Italy and then 2 "home" games in Azerbaijan. And once you have a good momentum building up, with a talented set of players, anything is possible. And we had a group of players that could put their egos aside and perform as a team (in contrast to the travesty that happened in Euro2016). Then came the serious injuries of players such as Merih Demiral (who was named the heart of the team, because he gave 100% in every game and in one of the games still kept playing even after his jersey got ripped) and Cenk Tosun (who is one of the most experienced and professional striker we have atm) announced that they'd be missing the tournament and at least personally, I had to lower my expectations.
Now with things delayed one year, who knows ;) Because we tend to find our motivation in emotions, we have almost always been a better final tournaments team where you can hype players for a period of 2-3 weeks and 5-6 consecutive games. When you are playing the qualification phase, you need that professional and clinical, "go and get the job done" mentality for 2 games every few months, which we lacked until this latest set of players.
That's one of the reasons why Turkey failed to qualify to so many tournaments. On a good day, we can play head to head with the best of them, France, Spain, Croatia you name it. But we also find it in us to play head to head with other teams coming from pots 3 to 5. I imagine it is part of Turkish culture/mentality to do just enough to survive the day, which usually was not enough to reach the finals.
Sorry for going off topic a bit :)
When I see Germany play it somehow reminds me of their hi tech manufacturing plants like BMW, Daimler etc. Clinical, precise, no nonsense while Latin American ones are like third world factories: Hit or miss depending on the day...
@@phoenixUPC No worries. Interesting read!
@@rcc8506 We all saw that precision in Russia...
I used to root for Turkey in Fifa 2002. The generation of fast pace game: Hassan Sas, Hakan Sukur, and my favourite goalkeeper, Rustu. After that, Turkish football lost its steam. What happened?
What a team 🔥 What happened? Good question. Hamit Altintop said they stopped working hard enough. What's your take, el fuad?
Erdogan came to power in 2002. That's what happenned
@@dwkickoff Doesn't Hakan Sukur works as a taxi driver in the US? think i read it somewhere
Corruption and manupulation of fenerbahce destroyed turkish football
Alexander hey that is right
there’s one part that you’re really wrong is the salute. it has NOTHING to do with supporting erdoğan. i’ve never supported erdoğan but i’ll do the salute any day especially if they’re fighting for our safety. it’s something we do to show our love for our soldiers and to make them feel they’re not alone. kaan ayhan didn’t do it because he knew he’d get criticized harshly in germany. it’s never about the minister. good documentary tho, thanks for the good wishes
Yes I completely agree I’ve also never supported erdoğan
Hi Ulas, thank you for your feedback and the clarification. Most of the people we talked to in Turkey and all the experts in the film said the same. We actually learned so much on this trip, one thing is that it is a special gesture for many Turks, a gesture to honour the soldiers. It's probably very similar to the US where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. Still, in many other parts of the world, it was perceived critically because of the political context. The military salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Northern Syria which made headlines worldwide and was criticized internationally as a breach of international law and UN resolutions.
%100 agreed. Its not about politic or related with Erdogan. It’s special characteristic for all Turkish people. We can do salute in everywhere in every situation. Especially if the our country in hard times and needed to support our soldiers.
@@dwkickoff, as emperialist countries you go on supporting terrorist PKK and to reflect your point of wiev everwhere , if from your borders a terrorist organization like PKK ( PKK and Turkish citizen Kurdish ethnicity is different , we have no problem with them if they do not support PKK ) attack to Germany , England , America , France etc. and kill your soldiers , teachers , polices , you never forgive them but when it happens in Turkey , you are aşways on the side of terrorists , we have got the right to be both in Northern Syria and Northern Iraq because PKK attacks to Turkey from there , so stop always showing Turkey as a terorist state and the terorists as hero because you emperialist never want a strong Turkey , you proved this in history.
You do realise that the majority of turks support erdogan?
I've never met such friendly people than the Turkish
Why?
They are very proud people but also very intrigued about your own personal story. I was there in September and I still get messages from people there wishing me well. My elderly Grandmother lives there and she never had to look over her should walking home at night ever.
@@jackmatthews2546 oo your grandma lives in turkey? Cool :)
thanks bro I am living in Turkey I think Turkish peoples friendly too
@@taekookyoonmin615 I also gained a completely different view on Islam too. So greatful for the experience.
I loved this documentary. Situation is very similar in many Latin American countries.
Big population, very passionate but miles away from being a powerhouse.
Like Mexico, Colombia, and others with less population Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, Ecuador, and appart from the current golden generation, Chile.
Hi Carlos, you're absolutely right! Very passionate indeed. Have you seen our other documentaries yet? Mexico: ua-cam.com/video/_kwrKUUKCu8/v-deo.html And about Colombia?: ua-cam.com/video/nQheV-yp2Qk/v-deo.html
When you're passionate and in delusion, it means that you're far apart from the mentality. It's about hooligans not about football. When there's heart instead brain, you don't expect an efficient outcome.
Colombia isn't miles (at international level)
Lol Chile are finished
@@krooscontrol9019 yeah we ruled south american football for a decade. Your welcome. In 5 more years there will be another golden generation.
military selute is not politic. Thats just a support for soliders
It doesn't sit well with some people when you are an invading force.
Nietzsche's Mustache But it sits quite well with everyone when people arm terrorists against you, strange times we live in...
bartu ciftci invading syria is not going to fix that. Erdogan is meddling in politics that he should not be in the first place
He never would invade syria if not some countries out there would sell them weapons. U’re talkin but without knowing anything mate
Marlboro Rot turkey has an incredibly strong military that trumps any rag tag group of militants in syria. He has no business taking kurdish territory, he is asking for more trouble by flexing his muscle.
13:04we are not occupying in syria, we are fighting for the people there to return to their old lives and keep our nerves safe
Your dumb bro go see what actually happened
@mehmet ozerkan Yani demek istedigini yanlis mi buldun?
Eren Kocyigit stfu
Emperialist countries accuse Turkey and saying what you are doing in Syria but they never take into consideratin 4 milllion Syrian refugees in Turkey , we are trying to clean the border from terrorists and send back to them to a safe place , we have that right , but they prefer to be on the side of PKK , they love and give support to terrorists in order to hurt Turks as they do not love Turks.
Yes
I hope turkey will stand up again. We have wonderfull players 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Do you believe Turkey football is rising?
Football and politics should not mix.
Football unites people regardless of religion or race.
Lol you could see the fear in their eyes when they had to comment on the whole erdogan salute situation. Their biggest star had to flee from Turkey in order to save himself from political prosecution, damn....
@@MrArgy333 not true mate.
Football can also separate people.
Um...definitely not true. Football is possibly the most political sport in the world lmao
Turkey always had huge potential in football. They had quite a good number of talented youngsters. But for the reasons mentioned, they faded away very easily. But this tendency is breaking apart with players like Cengiz Under, Merih Demiral, Caglar Soyuncu not being enticed by Big 3 but rather chosing to pursue a career in Europe. That worked out and now many players will be eager to follow their path. Excited to see Turkish national team in 2-3 years 🇹🇷
Good shout! You think they can surprise us all at Euro 2021, Mubariz?
Hahaha turks can't play. You've had like one bronze. You to stiff, no swag at all. You like cavemans
@@instantkarma2724 Also french said that too. But here we are :)
@@instantkarma2724 i fuck you Turkey is one of the Best countrys With football and have many talents
@@barbercut5751 many talents but still can’t qualify to the World Cup 😂
1:45 check that badass old man
😉😎
Turkey's national team has done quite well at International tournaments the last few years, still have potential to do more but wouldn't say they've been unsuccessful by any means.
Eine richtig sachliche Doku. Als jemand der den Türkischen Fußball kaum verfolgt fand ich die Art der Berichterstattung insbesondere die Sachlichkeit und die Neutralität richtig gut gelungen..
Danke, Fate Zero. Freut uns! Gerne weiterleiten...
Dem schließ ich mich an!
100% Zustimmung !
@@dwkickoff das nächste mal recherchiere richtig ! Nichts was das national Team betrifft is politisch. So ne gute Doku und dann aber doch wieder bissel versteckt hetzen wollen. Muss man ja immer gegen die Türkei.
@@altn9732 belüg dich nicht selbst.. war eine sehr gute Doku ohne Hetze
bro that 2002 world cup was crazy... Senegal in the quarter-final...south korea knocking out italy and spain to get to the semis...and of course turkey getting third! My god the memories
Great tournament, indeed! 😍 Even the final, Kahn's blunder though 😢
South Korea cheated lmao
@@Bolognabeef yeah paid the refs lol
DW Kick off! Kein problem 12 years later die mannschaft hit the Brazilians for 7 in their country and made it nummer 4 in Rio.
As a Croatian I still sadly remember Euro 2008. Turkey as a complete underdog really shook up that year Euro. And with their squad now, I'm certain that they can make breakthrough at Euro 2021 too. Hope we meet late at the tournament again 🇭🇷🤞🇹🇷
oh yes, and I'm really looking forward to hear Ceddin deden at the stands, atmosphere you bring is amazing ;)
Istanbul is such a vibrant city. The football scene there is like no other, I swear
Why?
Before they started talking about politics, it felt like a documentary on the issues of Mexican football.
1) Short term success is too important. fans booing their own young players that have a bad game.
2) The pressure that the media creates by overhyping and then severely criticizing players that they themselves put the pressure onto.
3) The fact that the fans are simultaneously really proud of their national team and really disappointed.
4) I saw the lack of perspective that I recognize in Mexico in these Turkish fans statements. They think they will make it; become one of the great football powerhouses because they have talented young players coming up but they don't realize that the real powerhouses have so many more prospects and a stage for them to grow appropriately.
Just this week, there was "controversy" because two players in Mexico went out to dinner with girls. It's ridiculous the spotlight that we put on our prospects.
Thanks for your insight into Mexican football.
and Sergio, a while ago we asked ourselves a very similar question re Mexico: ua-cam.com/video/_kwrKUUKCu8/v-deo.html
I feel like Turks and Mexicans are just as passionate when it comes to football!
It's funny to see your comment cause a few days ago I was thinking about similarities between Turkish and Mexican fans. Extremely proud, arrogant and immature. Their own teams must feel too much pressure
Spot on. When accounting for population, diaspora population, history, and resources, I think Mexico and Turkey both punch below their weight more than any other country in world football.
Come to besiktas
Besiktas is in the video, mate! We've been there to speak to fans and watch the game against Trabzonspor. Great club, great atmosphere...
@@dwkickoff To be fair I don't think he's serious. That's a catchphrase BJK fans been using on social media. Remember the player unveiling video with techno background music from a couple years ago? 😹
@@syakdudu Touché! 😂
😂😂😂
Yes , I am coming to Besiktas.
Hallo Pepe, come to Besiktas!
This is literally the same problems experienced in Mexico
Greece too
@@mlvsls83 You guys beated us at home in 2004. That was disappointing.. :-)
Your clubs play well but they don´t go anywhere, like ours.
What a country Greece is. Beautiful beyond belief.
Have always told my mexican friends (I'm turkish) that mexico is actually quite like turkey. Not only in football, but also about the people, education, problems, government, etc
Whenever I talked to them about turkey or mexico, we found out about the similiarities
@@wotmate3719 thats bécause we have same ancestors.
Morale of the story : "Too much passion sometimes burns itself"
Military salute
İs for our soldiers, not for Erdoğan. Germans really need to get rid of their Erdoğan trauma.
Hi Osman, thank you for your comment. Here's a short explanation why Erdogan is in the film. Erdogan is a football fan himself and like many other politicians around the world he uses football as a tool to deliver political messages or a certain image. Erdogan used to be very close with Hakan Sükür, he even attended his first wedding. Sükür is probably the best and most successful player Turkey has ever seen. But as we know today things got complicated and Sükür is now an enemy of the state as he's a member of the Gülen movement. That's a sign that politics is everyhwere in Turkey, even involved in sports. And that leads to the next topic, the military salute. We found out and have shown in the film that the military salute has nothing to do with Erdogan, it is widely seen as a gesture to honour the soldiers. That's why we have those expert opinions in the film explaining exactly that. It's similar to the US perhaps, where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. On the other hand though there's a political context to it. The salute was made on a football pitch and, that's important to mention, during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive started by Erdogan was criticized broadly by the UN, the EU and other institutions as a violation of international humanitarian law. Some players explicitly mentioned the soldiers fighting in that offensive afterwards in one of the press conferences. So, politics again /: Stay healthy and have a nice day!
@@dwkickoff Everyone knows how close Erdogan and Gülen once was.
Sükür is a Gülenist and everyone knows that. No one can deny this. It hasn't to do with critisizim or his twitter post.
Erdogan is a huge fan of football and the bad decisions at turkish football has nothing to do with Erdogan. The managers want to be every year the champion so they are not investing in future. They buy old players ho can play 1-2 years and than they lefting the club.
Do you ever ask yourself why no foreign player can speak turkish? If you are playing in germany, italy, spain or england you have to learn the language.
In turkey it doesn't matter if you can speak turkish..
I live in germany and the germans have a problem with erdogan. Because of that they critisize the salute. Kaan Ayhan were critisized because of his salute. So he doesn't repeat it. You can see it if you look at the former st. Pauli player Cenk Sahin. They lynched him. They say football and politics don't have to be combined but this rule is just fot turkish footballers who likes erdogan. If you are against him you are able to speak about politics.
Endlich einer der es auf den Punkt bringt! Danke!
OsmanOsmanHan You are a lier bro. ;)
Exactly
The Turkey national team that went to the 2002 World Cup has been one of the best teams I’ve seen from Turkey. Underdogs.
that was a great team. So close!
I went to Turkey I toured the stadium with a terrific atmosphere One of the best parks Vodafone the best fans in the world, the best club Besiktas in Turkey.
Chester Bennington Turkish best fans BEŞİKTAŞ 🦅🇹🇷
Your Father FENERBAHÇE 💙💛
Muhammed Mustafa Yayıcı 1903 Beşiktaş > 1907 Fenev? Kim kimin babası lan 😉🦅
I also went to Turkey and toured Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe and Beşiktaş stadiums but I liked Galatasarays most.
Ich empfehle jedem der die Chance hat mal in Istanbul in ein Stadion zu gehen. Habe das einmal mit meinem besten Freund gemacht. Gehen sonst in Gladbach in Kurve , und ich muss sagen die Stimmung da ist mindestens genauso heftig. Jedes Spiel ein Hexenkessel so wie es sein. Dazu eine schöne Kultur , leckeres Essen und nette Menschen.
Which stadium did you go?
Great episode, thanks for the good content.
The reason behind the misunderstanding of "the salute" is that it's not a political gesture for Turkish people. On the contrary, it's one of few things that unite different political fractions. Just because Erdogan started doing it to milk votes, doesn't mean salute is his political gesture. Players do it as a respect if there are recently fallen soldiers, not to show support for a party. Turkish people can be more emotional when their soldiers fall because every boy serves for the army since the peasants won the War of Independence and everybody probably knows someone or someone's son who is serving at anytime, including the athletes.
Hi B B, thank you for the feedback and your analysis! That's what most of the people we talked to in Turkey and all the experts in the film said as well. It's a gesture to honour the soldiers, very similar to the US for example where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. Still, in Western Europe, as you might know, it is seen in a different way. It was perceived critically especially because of the political context. The military salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Northern Syria which made headlines worldwide and was criticized internationally as a breach of international law and UN resolutions. Can you understand the other perspective or do you see it differently?
@@dwkickoff First of all, thank you for the video, i enjoyed watching it. It was really nice to see that you interviewed local experts for this. But i strongly believe that you should have included in the video that the salute is NOT a political gesture in Turkey. The video makes it seem like it represents support for Erdoğan, which is definitely not true.
Bit of background info: I am an atheist, feminist progressive and, as you might guess, I stand against everything Erdoğan stands for. Our founder, Atatürk, famously advised "science and scientific thought should be the guide in life" but Erdoğan is replacing that with outdated dogmatic beliefs. He's acting against the secular, egalitarian foundations of our republic and probably the biggest problem of living under Erdoğan is freedom of speech.
I'm against Erdoğan and I'm against our military involvement in Syria. But I do support the salute, because it is not about Erdoğan; it is about the people who have lost their lives fighting against fundamentalist terrorist factions there. It's not about politics, it's a gesture of empathy for those people.
I'm glad that you ended your comment above with the question "Can you understand the other perspective?" That is key in every conflict. I can see that for the people outside of Turkey who don't approve of Erdoğan organizing military action in Syria, the footballers' gesture can look like they're showing support for Erdoğan and his decisions. But that is just not the case here: it isn't a political gesture, it's deeply emotional, untainted by politics. It's of pure human compassion; of gratitude for those who risk their lives abroad so that you can be safe at your home. (And safety is a big issue here in Turkey: Neighbouring the Middle East, it's scary to know that there is war just across the border.)
I don't know what everyone on the production team for this video thinks, but I wanted to provide you a different perspective, that's all. I know this has been a looong comment, but if you've read so far, thank you :)
Cheers from Turkey!
We love Erdogan, you may not 🤷🏾♂️
Zaed you're irrelevant lol
Football Fan I love Erdogan, he is the best president ever Turkey had in his modern time, now thats for sure!
Dont believe this Dönme Atatürk, who wants to forget the history of the turkic muslim people in anatolia and before, thats why he called him the Ata of the turks, which is technically not true! He even wasnt a turk, he was jewish descendants, sabbatayist, also called dönme!
What a nice documentation again man😍🇹🇷. i always waited for people, who are loving the football and bring out football documentations like this, now you are on yt and my dream comes true👍🏼you listenend to my advice from the comment under the czech republic video, thank you❤👌
Hi Frank, we're always reading and listening ;) Happy you like the documentary. Spread the word!
@Pulcino Pio Hey man, think we made it clear in the other reply. Just scroll up a bit
As an Englishman I'd love to see a Turkish club win UCL for once. Some great clubs coming out of Turkey, Galatasaray, Fenerbache, Besiktas. Sick of seeing only Spanish, German, English clubs winning.
for the development of turkish football:
-Young talents
-Clubs should dont have debt(besiktas,fenerbahçe and galatasaray)
-Anatolian clubs should play for the championship
As a wolves fan, I’ve experienced Besiktas fans. While they are annoying, you can tell they are extremely passionate and I respect that✊
True! Great atmosphere and loyal fans from what we've experienced...
Besiktas 🦅💪
Thank you for this nice documentary. I follow and watch awesome works at this channel. And you made a good documentary on Turkish football.
Thank you, Inter Stellar. Glad you like it. Spread the word!
Ahhh man, during this isolation I need more material like this! Please, I want more! Look, Turkey finished 3rd in 2002 and made it to the semis in 2008. Not too bad. Football isn't easy. Loads of talented countries don't win big trophies (Spain never won anything until recently.) Seems like Turkey should invest heavily in the coaching development and let that be the impetus for the transformation that seems inevitable.
Thank you for your feedback, Luca! Glad you like it
Without having watched the video just yet, I'd say a part of the reason is that Turkey is in the same boat as England; youngsters often don't get much of a chance because the top clubs prefer to attract more experienced foreigners that are more likely to perform well straight away.
As a result, these youngsters don't develop themselves as well as when they would have gotten a chance when they're coming out of the youth academy at age 17-21, and that lack of playing time at the highest level in such a crucial part of their careers reflects itself in the national team.
You now see that more and more British young players are going abroad for their experience at top flight level, with Sancho obviously being the most well known example. Maybe it's time for Turkish players to do something similar, it seems to have done Caglar Soyuncu and Merih Demiral well. :)
Good shout, Hatsi! What do you say now after you've watched it?
@@dwkickoff My point pretty much stays the same. :D Create an environment in which youngsters can develop without it being over for them after 1 or 2 poor games, and at least half of the work is already done.
Other than this, I can imagine youngsters that actually have grown up in Turkey (but for example also those in countries like Morocco and Algeria) have somewhat lost hope, when they see a significant amount of players being called up for the national team that are born or otherwise at least raised in different (mostly European) countries rather than in Turkey.
Finally, involving politics into football obviously doesn't help things either, especially when the 'president' is pretty much being put on the same pedestal as the founding father of the country... but okay, that's something the Turkish will have to deal with themselves.
"The place where Asia meets...Europe" Unbezahlbar :)))))
Kostantinopel
oh yeah yeah İstanbul
@@checkcommentsfirst3335 😂😂😂😂 Konstantinopel
@@checkcommentsfirst3335 Oh no no
İstanbul not c*nstantipole
Portugal has a different culture, although we like great players we enjoy yoyung players steping up
Could Portugal be an example for Turkey, Gonçalo?
DW Kick off! At least in what militarism is concerned we Portuguese are quite the opposite. Hope that at least in that respect we can be an example, or not.
Portugal seems to be content as being a farm league for bigger clubs by playing kids.
@@martytu20 Nah it's just really top heavy. Everyone in Portugal knew Felix was star but he was only given respect when he had a big price tag, same thing with Bruno Fernandes, Ronaldo etc. But its dominated by the big 3 just like in Spain with Real, Barça and Atletico. Fc Porto, Benfica and Sporting win almost everything but one thing I've noticed with the inflation of players prices is that small teams in Portugal have more expensive players so the big 3 can't buy absorb all the talent and with a few good transfers small teams can improve and start to compete more. It's going to become better in the future if it doesn't become corrupt because of the "new money"
@@martytu20it doesnt matter, the national team is improving year by year
Turkey 2 0 France
Iceland 3 turgey 0
@@pantarhei158 result: Turkey at the European championships
Güzel verdiniz ahahaha
@@pantarhei158 NE GEDERRRR
@@pantarhei158 dont cry
I’ll never forget the joy they gave me in the 2008 euros
What a great run!
DW Kick off! 2 mins away from a PK shoot out to go the euro finals, albeit against the Germans...Turkey usually has a hard time qualifying bc they are in the group with Spain and German but once they quality they usually “passion” their was for a deep run.
@@dwkickoff i was born in 2006. We had just 13 players to play in semi finals. that's why Germany lost in finals.
First step: stop buy old "stars" like van persie ,drogba ,eto, mereiles, robinho,falcao and more
Yes as a turk i couldn't agree more.
They sometimes buy them for attraction of their loyal fans.
Nothing wrong with old stars. Teams in top 5 leagues buy them too
Outstanding work thanks DW Kickoff!
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I love these videos. thanks DW for making them. I love all of them.
Thanks for The Documentary! amazing content...keep Going Up.
Thanks!
great production, enjoyed every second of it, greetings from Romania! and of course Galata fans love Hagi!
What a player he was! 😎 😍 Thanks for the nice words, Florin. How is his son doing these days? Also a great talent, isn't he? Greetings from Germany...
Schwarz Florin as a galatasaray fan i am so happy he came to us he was such a great player and i am thankfull he was born
@@dwkickoff His son is talented too and he works very hard to improve, apparently Hagi jr doing well at Rangers FC, honestly his name is weighting heavily for the moment, but pressure is good in football, also last year at Euro U21, Romania reached the semi finals, Hagi jr contributed a lot so did his father (he has a lot of academies and he owns Viitorul FC, with whom he won the title in the top division) thanks to them we are hopeful that a wonderful generation will come, just like Turkey! Best thoughts and stay safe!
@@Bomboclaat010 i really enjoyed his football at Galata in early 2000s, I remember when they won the UEFA cup, amacing memories, amazing team! Greetings my friend!
@@schwarzfooty Yeah, he was pretty impressive at the U21 Euro. Hope Romania can return to glory days and impress us in the future, Florin. Stay safe and healthy as well!
You forgot the national anthem, it plays before each game
What an amazing documentary I've never seen your channel but from now on I'm definitely going to subscribe and follow you. Great work 👏
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One of the better documentaries on here on UA-cam. Entertaining as well as informative
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HAMIT ALTINTOP - Wir lieben dich, Kanka.
Deine Komentare sehe ich überall.🤣🇹🇷 helal olsun sana
Sagol Kardesim.:)
Eyvallah!!
Maybe because their best players play or have played for Germany 🤣🤣
Mesut Özil, Ilkay Gündogan and Emre Can...?
@@dwkickoff especially ozil
@@josemou6172 Have you seen our Özil documentary yet? Check it out! ua-cam.com/video/i6MV_LHWUSs/v-deo.html
„Their“ lol
Özil never played 1 minute in turkey. Gündogan too
You guys didnt get my answer.. It means because they playing for Germany...
There is a cat passing by at 07:00
Such an amazing video topic, thankful to you for clarifying stuff (i'm not Turkish, but was wondering about those nuances with Turkish football).
Hi man, thanks for the nice words 😉🙏
Im from Venezuela and I love turkish football since World Cup 2002, they had a great team and a great forward, Ilhan Mansiz, who played for Besiktas, started following him in his club and became a Besiktas fan! Great stuff as always DW!
Great story, Gustavo! Ilhan Mansiz is a legend 😍
@@dwkickoff People from turkey know only one legend, his name is Sergen Yalcın. İf you ask in our country about football and top 10 best football player they telling you Messi, Cristiano, brezilian ronaldo Ronaldinho and some legend like that. But Sergen is one of them for top 10 list. He played 4 biggest football club in turkey watch his videos so you understand what i mean.
You could also refer to Turkeys role in hosting many european teams in cities like Antalya in order to accomplish their preparation before the leagues start
Guys, seriously, Turkey have more teams then 3.
I wonder how they didn't tell Trabzonspor.
Turkey has Trabzonspor,Bursaspor,Altınordu and more Anatolian teams.
If you just look only 3 club, you can never understand why Turkey is not so succesful. Anatolia needs much more interest.
@mehmet ozerkan trabzon olmadan Türk futbolu analizi olmaz. Hayret ettim
Bir sivassporlu olarak, trabzonspor türk futbolunda anadolunun temsilcisi olmuştur. He bu arada şike her takıma yapılıyor. Biz geçen sezon ilk 22 hafta penaltı kullanmadık.
@@datispeace pek çok takım adeta cezalandırılıyor, önü kesiliyor. İyi yönetilmeyince de batıyor kulüpler
Perfect video, really i love it😍
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Great documentation! Good and serious journalism. Pascal Jochem is truly a talented guy
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Kısaca... Birbirimizi yemesek çok büyük işler yapabiliriz ama neyse
Awesome documentary, thanks for it.
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I remember Turkey in the 1980s and early 1990s Turkey were really bad. There was regular big defeats but in 1996 they qualified for Euros and there was a massive improvement, but seems to have gone no better since 2008.
2 years ago in Romania, FRF , took decision that every team from the first league to play with an U21 player in the first eleven in every match ...
results? Romania U21 qualify for Euro 2019 (Italy) final tournament , and was no.3 from 12 teams in the final ranking ,and qualify for Olympic games ,with Spain,Germany and France.
FRF increased the pressure this year and now they want that every romanian team from the first league to play with ... 2 players U21 in the first 11! ... the problem now is that everything is cancelled because "corona" ... damn it !
Dan D i was in Romania in December for Celtic v Cluj It was so cold lol
Man I feel for Turkey, Greece, Portugal, they have the best crowds, craziest environments and they play with there hearts. When you’re a spectator you don’t want to go to a game that’s like a funeral, you want to feel alive and part of an army that’s sparks the craziest memories, which they are full of. Just last week Pep talked about doing it for the fans, and it’s obvious that if situations were better suited for players they wouldn’t be in England. Economy is the biggest key in my eyes. If they could pay even average fees they would attract a lot more better players.. corruption won’t allow it though.
Is the problem with the Prem for example, the large amount of TV money involved? If this happened in Turkey would this dilute the atmosphere?
DW Kick off!
Firstly thank you so much for doing this guys! You’ve always been amazing at DW and we the YT community love it... I believe the funding in the prem does play a part but it’s not to blame at all. We are stupid either way even if the Prem wasn’t being pummeled with currency from everywhere. The sooner these countries big teams accept they are not Real, Bayern, PSG, or Man city I think they will slowly improve. They have to look at the situation from a place where they can accept what they are firstly. Gone are the days of Decos Porto or Alex Fenerbahce, even Besiktas was doing very well just three seasons ago but made very poor economic choices and now has offloaded most of that squad from 2 years ago. So sad 🤦♂️. I honestly think Ugur Karakullukcu said it best in this documentary and Hamit touched on it when they said there is actually an overload of young talent and the nations are wasting it. I can’t speak for greece or for Portugal I’m sure some natives from there will back me up but I know back in 2017 my stupid retarded team dropped Merih Demiral to hold onto two fossils for defenders, and I think that’s what it’s going to come too. They need to focus on youth development and scouting... ive seen boys from this nation with such talent and class that most could EASILY go pro in a big league, but if there’s noones bloody seeing it or picking them up there passion dies, and we end up with pessimistic fans looking to just pay another known player who is washed up which gets them nowhere. You end up with scouts from Sassuolo and Roma or Nac Breda coming and stealing your talent without them getting a chance to give back to the league.
So really it’s poor decision making and a mentality run on just profit which kills it for the passionate spectators.
DW Kick off! The problem is they don’t watch how Borussia Dortmund do it, they don’t watch how Monaco did it prior to changing there mentality. Shaktar!!!! RB Leipzig, we could give endless examples and half of them is going to be German 🤣 so I know you understand me... Fenerbahce isn’t run by King MBS, it’s not owned by a multi billionaire, but they have a worse attitude then them sometimes. ✌️
@@billymcdonnell11 Maybe a problem with Dortmund and Monaco as an example is they are selling clubs traditionally, they build a great squad full of exciting young talent and then sell them.
DW Kick off! :( 2008 Fenerbahce was in the top 20 richest clubs, ranked 18th, now they are only in 698 million euros in debt.... the difference in worth is approximately 1.1 billion pounds in just over a space of 7 years..
So to be honest I know I’m thinking subjective to my own team but I would love to have Dortmunds mentality for a while, atleast the scouting is pretty good, they are always dangerous in every league and they make a profit.
Either way one thing cannot be denied, hard work pays off and you’ve done an amazing job with this video!
PS. If you know Christoph Daum tell him to come back... we need a crazy man like him! 💙💛💙💛
Very nice content and Quality video!💪🏽
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Hassan Sas! I remember him from 2002 WC.
What a player 😍
you need to know:
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There is no tension in the Turkish National Team.
The Kaan Ayhan incident is quite normal.
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Soldier salute is not a political situation. The goal that has been in the FIFA series for years is the joy.
3- Hakan Şükür is our legendary football player, but he is with the terrorist organization.
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The military incident in Syria is not a war, but a defense.
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I propose to research and make a video more accurately.
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We have players born in Germany, but they are all Turkish family members. On the other hand; İlkay Gündoğan, Mesut Özil, Emre Can are Turkish directly in the German National Team. You should also pay attention to this.
7- You have misrepresented Galatasaray stadium of the video. It also has a place on your video, even supporters of Galatasaray of Turkey's most intense fan group. Sad.
Hi Ahmet, thank you for your analysis and the clarification. That's what most of the people we talked to in Turkey and all the experts in the film said as well. It's a gesture to honour the soldiers, very similar to the US for example where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. Still, in many other parts of the world, it was perceived critically especially because of the political context. The military salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Northern Syria which made headlines worldwide and was criticized internationally as a breach of international law and UN resolutions. We didn't take any sides on the matter, we just described what happened. We talked to Turkish journalists and experts to show the Turkish perspective. So in the end, it's not biased at all. Have a nice day!
Hakan Just opposite Politics with Erdogan. Why people call him terrorists?
@@dwkickoffhe is true, Galatasaray is the team that has the most fans with 25,9 million only in Turkey ( in cyprus we all support one of the teams in turkey)
I think the answer is very simple: Turkey is yet to become an economic powerhouse per capita terms. It is still a middle income country with nominal GDP/Capita at 9.370,18 USD (2018). Hence clubs, with some exceptions, lack the financial resources that ones on French, German, Italian, Spanish side have. I think this very general information suffices to explain many things, ranging from a corrupt football federation to 'not being so successful on the international stage'. We have to look at Turkish football not through the standards we assign to La Liga, Serie A, Bundes & Premier, but value it in its economic and financial context. In this way, one can truly appreciate Turkish football and value its achievements. As for the national team's past performance, this video provides a good answer.
In turkey military salute is not politic stuff. "We are born soldier we are die soldier" We believe so. And the government is not important on situation. if our soldiers die for our homeland we all respect them
Spent more than a month working with players from various clubs in the Super Lig, the passion of the fans in Turkey is second to none, have never seen anything else like it
Hey Zeyu, sounds interesting! What exactly did you do, create some video content?
DW Kick off! We train players, I produce content for @moalifc on Instagram
Cool Video! Greetings to all turkish football Fans from germany - I habe so many turkish friends here. You guys are awesome!:)
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Greece and Turkey will forever be countries punching above their weight, but they unfortunately will never be powerhouses due to too much passion, a situation very similar to the rest of Eastern Europe. Great documentary!
Thank you for your feedback, Chris! Is it just too much passion? On the other hand you could argue teams like Croatia also have a lot passion. They're punching above their weight and passion even lead them to the WC final...
Why you compare Greece with Turkey, we are only 11mil souls.
DW Kick off! Indeed. Only time will tell if we can call Croatia a superpower...
Greece is more of a rugby league nation than soccer , currently 11th in the world in the rugby league world rankings , in soccer around 60th in the world
MonkeyDoubleBackFlips There is no soul in Greece that knows about Rugby. In all of honesty, Greece might be more of a basketball nation (with a silver medal in the FIBA World Cup and two EuroBasket titles; top 10 in the world too), but the Euro 2004 win caused a footballing uproar. More kids started playing Football, clubs began having late runs in European Competitions (AEK, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos), and clubs gained great followings (The Greek Top 6 have some of the fiercest fanbases and ultras in Europe). More sports rise into the scene like Tennis and Water Polo, but the two dominant sports in Greece will be Basketball and Football for quite some time
Great job thanks dude 👍
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Turkey is beautyful
13:11 thank u for saying that good work!!
Such a good documentary 👏🏻
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Türkiye'yi Suriye konusunda işgalci güç olarak göstermiş. Ama sonrasında gelen diyaloglar anlatış tarzı hoşuma gitti. Güzel bir video olmuş
They are not Erdogan supporters. "Salute" isn't a way to show your support to Erdogan. You can play for national team and "Salute" even you being opposed to Erdogan.
Hi Shinigami, that's true actually and an interesting perspective. We were not accusing all the players of being Erdogan supporters. Some of them are, some of them are not. But what we tried to do is to show the Turkish perspective you rarely get in the Western media for example, that's why we were talking to journalists and experts in Turkey. Internationally the salute was seen critical though because of the political context. The salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive was criticzed by the UN, the EU and Amnesty International. UEFA does not allow political gestures and that's why it made headlines.
Yeah i don't support erdoğan but i'll do anything for my country.
Turkey has great players as someone who played this beautiful game for 18 years as a cb I can honestly say it comes down to good coaching it really does start there a player has to believe in his coaches of the player does not feel he belongs or is trusted by his coaches he will want to leave or give up on football all together
Absolutely, man! Nailed it.
@DW Kick off! , what's the song used in the opening two minutes? In fact what's the the entire soundtrack, cause it's sick!
Thanks, man! Check out German rapper Kurdo ;)
sick video bro
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Love Turkey from Pakistan :)
Love And respect to pakistan from Turkey :)
Don't love please we don't need more religion extremists! I am from turkey and I DON'T like you!
@@romarioballoon7319 What has religion to do with love?
@@Bogdanovic-sz6sn Be happy and prosper, supporting Turkey in Euro 2021
@@romarioballoon7319 Wow he spreads love to your country and this is how you respond gosh no wonder why this world is a mess.
I lost my respect totally for rivaldo in 2002 because of the red Card for the Turkish player in group stage,he kicked the ball against his knee and rivaldo acted like he was punched by mike Tyson in his face,shame on you rivaldo you were one of my favourite players.
literally perfect content! as a turk, i really liked the perspective of whole politics and the way you take the issue in your hand. the people you’ve talked with and the places you went also helped the content. waiting for all the new stuff, got subscribed!
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@@dwkickoff one day the relationship between the German state and gulen organization will come to light
Hey DW kick off the background music was nice. Was it customized? Please give me the link of it.
Galatasaray has the same International trophys how the whole Ligue 1 (France) ... Süper Lig is to underrated
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Komrade Egg PSG is 1.05 Bi. worth but never won the CL Or EL
@Komrade Egg what do you mean by this comment?
Galatasaray have 1 Uefa Cup and 1 Uefa Super Cup so süper lig is better than Ligue 1
Kartal Abi I mean the Champions of Ligue 1 did destroy the Champions of Super Lig 5-0 but go off
Turkish Football Teams have one problem -wrong transfer policy-. They were spend too much money for useless players. Also they dont care young players. In the turkey too many talented young players have but the big teams are not giving chance. If they had a chance, now Turkish football would be like Portuguese football.
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Good shout, man! That's one of their main problems. Falcao, Kruse, Boateng - all the signings they made recently. Could have been Turkish players from the youth ranks. You think the Portuguese league is a good example, Polat?
DW Kick off! yes, because portugal football brought many stars to today's football (Bruno,Ronaldo,Semedo etc...) and we can see lot of portuguese players nearly all leagues
That’s so true the Super Lig is focused of signing players past their prime that the younger players would go to countries like Germany, or the Netherlands
Edward Kelly yeah the Super Lig has become like the MLS of Europe. Only difference is that MLS signs legends while Turkey signs players who have just fallen off. Either way it’s not good, Turkish teams need to start giving their youngsters a chance or else they will never become a football powerhouse.
Nice content loved it
Thanks, Bigmentula!
Turkey will shine in football world stage, matter of time. There's plenty of quality turkish origin players in Germany and europe. Turkey needs to find talents within and outside and form a team well throughout. Turkey has all the basics needed like facilities, foundations, culture of football, history. It's needs a good collective effort to get a national team together to do well internationally.
Optimism, eh? The potential is definitely there. What makes you so sure thy're going to be successful, Hassy?
DW Kick off!
There's clear passion for football. If good players form a team together, all the spots covered well then they surly can be successful. Don't mean they'll win the world cup any time soon? But who knows, if they have a allround team and spirit, always a chance, but not in Qatar. But certainly can least go Semis, in the euros and wc's if they can get a good organisation, plan together with a team on merit and not on biased selection and what not.
Look at those turk origin playing for german. Ozil, gundagan, others. If they could've got them to play for Turkey! They must do more to open doors for the Turk origins in europe other parts. Show more patriotism for their country instead of clubs only.
@@hassymiia6267 Good shout! They just have to make the most of their talents and sort out their problems ;) the future looks bright!
Think the biggest reason is their grassroot development. Look at big powerhouse nations (Germany in particular), how many footballers of Turkish descent have became world class for the last 20 years. Great programmes breed great players.
Good point, Syakir! Turkey has big clubs though and a similar football culture. The potential is there. Are they not doing enough?
@@dwkickoff I take your points absolutely and to answer the question no they're not thorough enough. You can have all the facilities in the world but without a clear blueprint that's aligned to modern football, it won't achieve optimum results. I wonder how many youth coaches in Turkey got the required coaching badges compared to Spain, France, Germany etc.
@@syakdudu Good point, Syakir! Maybe we should do a part 2 investigating exactly that... 😉🧐
Ünder is crazy talented.
Do you think he can break through on the big stage and shine at Euro 2021, Silvian? 🔥🔥🔥
In Brazil we have a lot of passion as well, and the national squad won 5 world cups.
@mehmet ozerkan I know kkkk. I mean is Brazil's clubs are also very bad administrated and the formation of players is very bad. Still, every year Brazilian players decide the champions league and etc. We have the same problems as turkey but we are sucesfull. I would like tô know why
Thank you 👍👍👍