Where Does Turkish Football’s Money Come From?
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Teams in the Turkish Süper Lig are not shy when it comes to spending money.
Second only to the vast-wealth of the Premier League, Turkish football clubs have been the biggest spenders in the transfer market over the last two years, a surprising fact for a league outside of Europe’s strongest.
But where is all this money coming from?
Written by Nick Miller, illustrated by Marco Bevilacqua.
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The irony is because of overspending, Turkish national team has failed to live up to its 2002 heritage.
I think you are completely mistaken. Our national team was better when we spent money. We stopped during the 2010's and Anatolian teams (teams outside the big 3) started competing and the level of the entire league fell. Now the big three have started spending and jnterest has increased as it did during the late 90's and 2000's when the national team was at its peak
@@shen_baba Spending isn't a free market for fun. Spending is also a matter if you wish to improve. In Turkey, spending is totally done in poor style, with too much thrown for the wrong baskets. If you want a good spending, think of France.
Crime actions also affected the heritage. Have you ever heard about 2 Leeds fans being assassinated by Galatasaray hooligans in 2000?
what a team, Emre B, Turku ❤️
A one off isnt heritage
Turkish football is a battlefield of politics, media and businessmen (it would not be wrong to classify some of them as mafia). Clubs are not managed rationally because they have the status of "foundation" according to the law. In other words, when a club president manages the club badly, puts it in millions of euros of debt, and leaves it after 3 years, no one can legally hold him accountable. These people therefore act populist and focus on short-term solutions that will please their supporters and save the day.
Fans are not free from responsibility either. This mass of people, perceived as "passionate, enthusiastic fans" in the Western media, is actually motivated not to enjoy football, but to "destroy" those who are not like them.
All referee decisions are questionable, and although everyone thinks they are the ones most wronged, the problem is systemic.
The country where illegal streaming are most popular is Turkey. This is the main reason for the decline in broadcast revenues mentioned in the video. Because there is no game that will entertain you. Nobody wants to pay for this terrible league.
The only period I had hope for Turkish football was the period when debts increased and the government called for regulation. This alone influenced the clubs to make more logical decisions. Salaries dropped. The focus was on young talents, not older players. Thus, profits began to be made from sales. But it looks like this was short lived. Turkish football seems to have returned to the toxic point of the cycle.
I agree. But it does seem like Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe have learned a little bit from previous mistakes; players like Boey, Nelsson, Tete, Szymanski, Ferdi, Oosterwolde are all players who could be sold for great profit. And Zaniolo, Yusuf Akgün, Kim Min Jae, Arda Güler have already provided good revenue. Sometimes this doesn't work out, but the effort was there. I hope they invest in young talent next summer
Bu girdinin eli sıkılır. Bu ülkede farkındalık sahibi olan azınlıktasın. Aptallar arasında zeki olmak çoğu zaman zordur. Her şey dilediğince olsun bro.
You pictured the true face of football in Turkiye, but you forgotted to paint the disgusting performance and the decisions of the Turkish referees
exactly ! Fenerbahce has Ali Koc an educated gentleman with respect to to the game and others but some parts of the country hating him for beeing opposition and on the other hand we have Gaylatasaray getting everything what it wants from the gouvernment the refrees supporting them nearly all media working for them and they have close ties to Fetullah Gülen organisation or thats what many say about them, they call them even Fetösaray.
Fenerbahces President really tried to revolutionice Turkish Football but Gaylatasaray and the deep state didnt allow that and finally he had to change his route because he knew, you cant fight these thugs with gentleman manner. Gaylatasaray is like a virus in our football and society.
@@Levo_D_Angeloeducated gentleman? Thats why fener fans are happy thats it is his last year and that he will go.
The main issue is the significant decline in clubs' earnings following the depreciation of the Turkish Lira, coupled with a decrease in broadcasting revenue. As a result, revenues have considerably diminished compared to the past. However, many clubs foresaw the country's economic trajectory and converted a large portion of their debts into Turkish Lira at more favorable rates. This led to a significant reduction in debts based on the Euro. Fenerbahçe's revenue from player sales and sponsorships has reached a level where it can finance its expenditures. Also, due to successful transfers, they have become one of the teams that other leagues, like Real Madrid, Napoli, and Bayern Munich, are watching. If a talent like Arda Güler were in a country like Portugal, the Netherlands, Germany, or England, his transfer's starting price would not be less than 80 million euros. However, due to fewer examples, such transfers can be done more affordably from Turkey. As these transfers occur and outgoing players perform well, the league's and team's recognition increases, leaving a positive impression for future players. As a viewer, I believe that the current efforts of Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray are much better than in previous years and they are closer to success.
A few additional points:
1. Yes, star worship is a serious issue in Turkish football.
2. I'd wager it is not that the government "knows" that this much debt is "wrong", it is more about the foreign currency shortage brought on by their expansionist economy policies that relied on runaway inflation.
3. It always amazes me to see how non-Turkish people invent creative ways to mispronounce Turkish names. The "ç" in Koç is read as Ch in Charizard.
Agree with your points. Also find it cool you used the example of Charizard, as it's also probably my favourite starter evolution alongside Empoleon
English speakers aren't used to the letter Ç, a lot of us don't know how to pronounce it
@@whufc-essex English speakers know no letters that aren't in the "tradition" alphabet lmao. Case in point, Robin Koch
You're not wrong. I can make a good guess at most foreign words... But Turkish names might as well be written in hieroglyphs
@@aceofspoons8382 Turkish orthography is largely phonetic (unlike English orthography), the ç in Turkish is always pronounced consistently like the ch in Charizard, and not like the ch (sh) in chivalry, the ch (k) in character, the ch (h) in chutzpah or the ch (silent) in yacht.
How normal people see Trabzonspor:
Well stripped claret and blue
How Premier League fans see Trabzonspor:
Turkish West Ham United aswell Turkish Aston Villa
But you won
How Premier League fans see Trabzonspor is: Wait, there are more than 3 Turkish clubs?
Besiktas and Newcastle shared their same colors (black and white stripes), although in recent times, they played with all white on top, resembling Tottenham.
Oh wait, Istanbul Basaksehir shared their same colors as Luton Town!
As a fenerbahçe fan, İ can say that the TFF doesnt care about producing youngstars i dont understand why in a country with 85+ millions ppl.
Your TFF(football) president is a rich capitalist who doesn't understand football and you still "dont understand"?
Plus all the Germans of Turkish descent they could probably poach too.
they got levin oztunali from hamburg and ozcan from my team though but there are more players too@@roryslaine7896
its pretty simple, they dont invest. In Germany every fukking school no matter where or how small a village is has an own sports hall. In Turkiye many schools dont have even a sports hall. We in germany have every year something called Bundesjugendspiele its an athletics event where every student has to be part of it and they want to see how you perform in sprinting 50 meters, 100 meters, 400 meters , throwing a tenisball , throwing a weight, I think it was 5 kg , long jump. With the results here they know all data of all german kids in Germany and if some of them are talented they send them to a club and thats how it starts.
Do you have something like that in Turkiye ?? And in Winter we have same event but this time we have to perform gymnastics on the ground plus sports equipment, parallel bar , horizontal bars etc.
Thats the first think what Turkiye has to do, investing in sport halls to select all of his kids for talents.
And not to forgett not all but many schools in germany have access to swimm courses, as you can see, sport is important in europe.
@@Levo_D_Angelo Let me tell you how Turkey invests in the young generation. The high school I attended was one of the most successful high schools in Turkey. If you want to enter such a high school, you have to be among the top 0.60% of the students who took the high school entrance exam, which is quite difficult when you consider that Turkey is first in Europe in terms of the number of young people and has a population of 85 million. And my high school didn't have a gym, a football field, or anything related to sports, except for 2 hoops, a volleyball net, and 2 miniature goals on the asphalt. And when we played football, we played with miniature goals on the asphalt in the garden. And in Turkey, the worse your high school is, the less opportunities you have. Now think about the conditions under which an average Turkish child tries to do sports. Especially if we consider that we enter high school and university with only 2 exams (one in 8th grade, the other is in 12th grade) and since this is a vital exam, no teacher cares about sports and constantly forces you to study. To sum up that's the reason of why Turkish players from Germany, where 3 million Turks live, are much more successful than players from Turkey, where 85 million people live.
HOW THEY SPELLED ALI KOÇ 💀💀💀
As a Besiktas fan, i can say there is a serious debate and cultural battle among the fans... One side wants to act like Arabian clubs and the other side wants to act like Central Europe clubs with clever system and youth academy along with clever transfers. We try to explain a good system will be more beneficial in the long run but half of the supporter says "we want everything now and its not my job to care about clubs financial"...
As for this season Besiktas is failing now and unsustainable system of acting like arabian clubs has crushed... Maybe this will teach them a lesson you would say but there a still a lot of fans who would disagree and still wanna act like arabian clubs...
Mexico: oh hey we have a friend there.
As a Burmese myself, Myanmar used to almost become a lavish spender the same way Turkey and Saudi Arabia are. During our time of reforms and opening up, we used to have a strong belief on our football, especially after successful U-20 World Cup qualification in 2014. Instead, most clubs in Myanmar opted to buy even more and more foreign players to the teams. The 2015-19 era was the time where our money spending increased. It was only put to end, ironically, by the COVID-19 pandemic and the subsequent coup, but this severely depleted our football to this point no one wanted to watch clubs playing anymore.
however, Some Youth levels have some potential yet failed for expectation.
Myanmar is far from being economically as rich as Turkey and Saudi Arabia. It's freaking out to know that despite being that poor, there are a lot of money being thrown. But I suppose the military-backed businessmen did have a hand.
turkey is not china saudi or mls our football leagues better
@@tpc9002 which is true, they don't buy well known players frequently.
@@tpc9002 If you want to be better, spend less and give chances for your players.
I would love to see this vídeo becoming a series, i am really interested in knowing Where LaLiga/Premier/Ligue1/Serie A money come from, even more than Turkish League.
Each Turkish giant clubs have a 15-20 mio supporters only in Türkiye. Maybe only Galatasaray have supporter numbers that combined Portugal and Netherland total population. You would be keep in mind that.
As a Galatasaray fan this comment is wrong. Sadly the Galatasaray is the smallest football club in Turkiye... Fenerbahçe is bigger and stronger than Galatasaray...
@@turkishfrontI’m sure that you wrote this as a Gala fan 😂
@@turkishfront Your fener fan stop broooooo haahahaha, i only know galatasaray becouse they play in the champions league consistently and they defeated man u in oldtraford last week,and they got big players like icardi zaha ziyech also at the past they got wesley sneidjer and drogba so stop the pullshit , so i think Galatasaray is the biggest club in turkey and they are famouse in earupe
@@turkishfrontsmartest Fenerbahçe fan💀💀💀
it doesn’t matter how many fans you have…. important is how much they spend for their clubs. People can not afford a fan jersey, or a season ticket, or even a decoder to watch their club from tv.
Also adding up some insight into the topic:
5:24 Before debt restructure all/most debts were based in € as currency type, state owned banks not only restructured debts and its repayment plan at favorable interest rates, they also converted all debt to local currency (Turkish Lira which is losing its value constantly such as: during June 2017->1€ was around 4 Turkish Lira, during June 2020-> 1€ was around 7,69 Turkish Lira and during June 2023 -> 1€ was around 28,4 Turkish Liras.) This way, big clubs are grinding the restructured debt under the inflation.
For example, Beşiktaş's debt has increased in terms of Turkish Lira but in recent club meeting, they announced in terms of €, the club is reducing is debt.
yani ? Gercek ney, borclar azaliyor mu azalmiyor mu ? Fenerbahce yaptigi aciklamada son 5 yilda borclari 612 milyon euro dan 380 milyon euroya düsürdüklerini söylediler, bu reel borc mu yoksa ney, tam anlamadim ?
Why is there no Turkish translation?
Exactly. why would anyone pay out a debt that is decreasing overtime.
This is a very interesting detail, the state banks have sacrificed a lot of forex reserves to allow the clubs to inflate away the debt in the long-term.
Abi kısaca devlet bankaları borcu sırtlandı, dövizde yaşanan kayıptan dolayı da takımlar 1 öderken sanki 3 ödemiş gib oldu. Takımın 600 milyon borcundan 50 milyonunu takım ödese borcu banka tl ye çevirdiği için değer kaybından ve elindeki euroların artmasından da takım kalan 250 milyon farkı kapattı. Normadle olacağından çok çok çok daha hafif yük bindi takıma. Evet ödediler ama yükün büyük bir kısmını da devlet bankaları üslendi. @@Levo_D_Angelo
Bro Galatasaray vs fernabeche is only European derby where away fans are not allowed in home games this is the madness in super lig
The same is also true of De Klassieker (Ajax vs Feyenoord), but it is rare in Europe.
Wrong lol look at ajax feyennord.
You aren't unique
Damn that rivalry is fierce 😂
fenerbahce
the ban has been lifted today
I will never forget that 2008 fenerbahçe
Smallest club in turkey
Not at small as your brain
@@MrMESSIFatih Karagümrük says „hi“.
Fenerbahce is matchfixing
@S7uuuuuuthe only club in the world that still celebrates a match from 20 years ago, thats why we’re saying that your club is a small club
Sadly we run football like in a tribal territory. It makes sense why overspending ruined our football now. It will take a drastic measure and sadly our country's football lovers and CEOs are not patient enough to keep everything in check.
I don't think overspending is an issue, you just spent poorly. But not spending will leave Turkish football along the likes of Romania or Hungary, you must keep spending if you plan to be competitive at club level.
So just like Italy
@@skp8748 More like England.
@@davidbowie5023 nah more like Italy.
@@skp8748 Yeah, that’s why England so pathetic in football. What title England got since 1966?
Also noteworthy is the collapse of the Turkish Lira. In 2006, 1 Pound = ~3 Lira. Now in 2023, 1 Pound = 33 Lira.
Imagine your clubs TV/merch/ticket revenue is paid in your 10x devalued local currency but the wages you’re paying to foreign players are keeping up with foreign rates. Not a recipe for success.
The clubs actually reduced their debt thanks to the inflation, since revenues are immediatly exchanged for dollars/euros and debts stay in lira. 5 Years ago when inflation wasnt as bad, the total debt was almost twice as high as now
@@kaan4040 🤦♂️
@@oskaytaskn8551 15 iqliler sadece emoji yazabiliyorlar zaten
maths aint mathing buddy@@kaan4040
@@kaan4040exactly people don't understand that turkey deflating their currency and raising interests rates may help the currency in the short term but it would DECIMATE the economy and cause mass unemployment.
People just parrot what foreign currency speculators want the narrative to be.
The exports are competitive, local debts healthy and the manufacturing sector still churning...
I can say that Fenerbahçe is the most successful club in terms of debts. When the club president took office 5 years ago, the club had a debt of 600 million euros. At the end of 5 years, this debt was almost halved. Despite this, the current club president says that it will be very difficult to pay off this debt inheritance from the previous president and that it may not be paid.
Every major club is operating in debt atm, it's the new state of being. I think focusing on debt amount can be very misleading (even Barcelona is doing much better than some people make it out to be). And Istanbul is the largest European City by population and the third richest, as long as money keep flowing it makes sense to manage the debt instead of repaying it.
@@iulianju7893 You may be right in any other country, but current exchange rates make it impossible to manage such debts in Turkey. Of course businesswise it is essential to have debts. Something along the lines of €60-80M could work better is all I'm saying.
Wrong the debt was 400 million not 600 my friend make it correct.
That’s a bad thing you shouldn’t be clearing 300 mil of debt in 5 years that’s just going to damage the club massively
aynen kanka. bir sonraki yönetim mali tabloyu söyleyince sövmeyin ama ali koç'a :D
So Galatasaray has 35M annual sponsor income from only 3 main sponsors, excluding other sponsors, CL participation money which is around 30M again, league prize money, local tv deal, shirt sales, match day income, money from sale of players Mostafa Mohamed etc. etc. and they only pay 52 M to wages.
Seems pretty healthy to me, they might even profit this year, and they even have assets with young age and worth 10+ millions and even more like Boey, Nelsson, Akturkoglu, Tete.
Only one seems to be relying on one-time income seems Fenerbahce, which are player sales, but as mentioned they have a president from richest family in country who can bring in sponsor money any time club needs, even from his own companies.
Moreover you failed to mention tax-rates, in Turkey income tax rates are significantly lower than Europe, taxes are collected via secondary sources, such as sales, luxury consumption so they are subject to individuals rather than companies.
52m is only the player wages. There is thousands more getting a salary from the clubs. The training camps for the main club and the academy is very costly. There is alot more going on in the background
They are all nothing compared to the 455M Euros which will come from real estate building money on public granted land. The largest area of corruption in Turkey.
The athletic is home to some of the worlds best sports journalists, yet you still insist on including Lisbon when you talk about Sporting Clube de Portugal (SCP)
One thing is perfect at Turkish Leagues.There are better stadiums than all European Leagues stadiums.More than 35 new stadiums.For example When I look to Italian and Greek stadiums.Difference are huge with Turkish League stadiums..
beton
Football in Turkey is primarily centered around Istanbul clubs, and referees, as well as banks and the government, provide support to them. Consequently, nobody supports their local teams, which hinders the development of football.
So that might explain a bit, why many football clubs there struggle to fill their stadiums even with low capacity stadiums, right?
It seems like the same thing is happening in Vietnam, where referees, the government give support to Hanoi teams
@@dinohermann1887 There´s no low cap stadiums left in Turkey, all is brand new.
@@dinohermann1887 yeah. Support your local is not a thing in Turkey. For example there are tons of Istanbul team supporters in cities like away from İstanbul 800 km, 1000km even 1500 km.
Jepp thats the summary of turkish football. The Istanbulteams can spend whatever they want and smaller clubs get points reduced or get relugated when they have a small amouth of debt. Thats also the reason why there are almost 10 istanbulclubs in the league.
As a Fenerbahçe fan, i am incredibly glad that you guys made this video and some extra info I wanna add:
1. Every summer window in Turkey the media crowns a "Transfer King" being transfer king ensures a morale boost more mercy on bad performances. If you fail the window however, you can bet someone's getting sacked midseason. Hence why Gala signed Icardi, Zaha, Ziyech and Tetê whereas Fener signed Dzeko, Tadic, Fred and Livakovic. Stadiums are absolutely packed this season
2. The payment plan. Basically one part of it is that 50% of transfer revenue goes straight to the bank to lower the debt. However tbis makes the arrivals of all the new transfers Fenerbahçe got this year even more surprising as with this considered our transfer bottom line is far more negative. However most Turkish clubs pay their transfer fees in installments so that edplains it.
3. Another way of lowering debt is the Turkish lira losing value. The debts are a fixed amount of Lira. But since the currency is losing value. The amount of debt in euro is vastly lowered.
4. The TFF has tried to find a way to combat the constant need for foreign players by restricting clubs to not be able to register more than 14 of them for the league. In addition there's a rule that there always must be at least 3 Turkish players on the pitch for their team at all times. This of course makes the big clubs who play in Europe angry as the lack of proper training and competition amongst domestic players is seen as an anchor weighing them down. Domestic players being looked down upon by big clubs in Turkey has mainly led to the best of them leaving the country. Çalhanoğlu, Ünder, Zeki Çelik just to name a few. This rule is also the reason Fenerbahçe spent 15 Million to sign Ünder, making it their most expensive transfer. Not because he's worth the money but because they needed the best Turkish players to comply with the rule without falling behind
Çalhanoğlu never left Turkey. He never played there... He is german
@@user-vn6jw4fc6hhe plays for turkey for his national team
One thing is Galatasaray maybe the only team in the world has many valuable estates, properity, island and now a bloody mine in Istanbul.
That is why Gala is probably last club in Turkiye or Europe to have a sudden downfall in economic wise.
a mine?
@@astragalusson Yeah, there is a coal mine discovered in one of the lands owned by Galatasaray.
It will be run by a company related with club and some of the money gained from the mine will go into Galatasaray.
@@mr.tobacco1708 I couldn't find any Turkish resource on the subject. Can you clarify which land exactly? I mean name of the location, or something like that?
The problem is why the f*ck are you even allowed to have income from a mine be spend on a football club. This whole mentality is what makes Turkish football unsuccessful. Youth academies, education, football pitches, a change of mentality from the TFF is what Turkish football needs in order to grow.
@@turkoow1 You do know that Galatasaray is technically a company right?
This is sad for Turkish league
Turkish League and Saudi is compering each other Turkish football has a history not like other ones.
Great video, you've done your research. However i want to mention a couple of things about Fenerbahçe. The club has a lot of revenue from licensed products. They have about 70 stores across Turkey (called Fenerium). Fenerbahçe also sells a lot of jerseys. For example this season 133K jerseys were sold in the first 45 days. That's a big number considering that they're being sold domestically. The club also owns various real estates (mostly thanks to the previous president Aziz Yıldırım). In 2017 real estates owned by Fenerbahçe were estimated to be valued at $318M.
Even with all these factors i agree that unfortunately the spending is done without thinking about the future of the club, only to save the day. Sadly, it's the same case with every Turkish club.
Koç is pronounced Kotch! Not kok
ahahaha
Great video, however I'd like to correct some mistakes the broadcasting revenue is in the ballpark of 120-130 million euros not 370 and Fenerbahce won the Turkish Cup last season (2022-2023) so Ali Koc has at least one trophy
the galatasaray sixt rent a car deal isnt 100 million euros for 5 years, its 195 million lira and getting more every season including some performance bonusses makes it around 6 to 10 million each year, max 50 million , not more.
The big difference is that serie A clubs buy veteran players who are big names but they are surrounded by young players with sell on value
Fenerbahçe has also been following this strategy recently. For example, now we have only Tadic and Dzeko as veterans, while other players are potential stars.
370m broadcasting deal is WRONG. It was 2.2 billion Turkish liras when EUR/TRY was 20. Which means its only 110 million euros of worth. Now it’s lower because of devaluation.
Great content as always, Tifo is great at exploring football stories that nobody else explores. Just one correction, Fenerbahçe won the Turkish Cup this year, which was their first trophy since 2014.
Turkish cup doesnt count.its worthless.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
The Turkish cup, not the league title itself :)
Great video!
Does it considering about Besiktas selling players and make profits?
Beşiktaş sold one player in transfer window and got 2.5million€
4:28 OMG! I have that exact little pennant in my room but with the Fenerbahçe logo in the middle
Must be amazing living in Istanbul to play professional football 😍
Another issue with this is lack of talented turkish players when you just focus on bringing other leagues old stars and ignore your own youth teams it became an issue ,in the past there were really good turkish players but nowadays turkish players play just to fill quota
Important Fact Check: Galatasaray's new deal with SIXT is not 5-year 100 million euros. It is announced as 195 million ₺ per year for 5 years which is roughly around 6.6 million euros. Turkish teams' sponsorship deals are not as lucrative as they are thought.
Why is there no Turkish translation?
you guys also should know that due to lack of quality transfers and players like tadic signing to the rivals, beşiktaş are literally going to the election in november to select a new president and coach resigned today due to bad results + chaotic environment
Look at the squads of Fener and Gala. They are strong this year.
This only raised more questions
I mean Fenerbahce is like the benfica from Portugal we are building youngstars or buy talented guys for cheap prices like kim min jae for 2 million and sold for 18 or elif elmas for 500k and sold for 20 and in de current team are so many talented young players that can go for really high prices
As much as this is madness, so is the current level of spending in the English 2nd tier and below. Both are financial timebombs waiting to become a more systemic issue, and perhaps at some point a partial/limited collapse.
Yes but the championship clubs can always sell players to the premier league.
Name a good player under the age of 30 playing in Turkey
@@Micfri300ferdi kadioglu, ndombele, Tete, davinson sanchez, szymanski, kerem akturkoglu, cengiz ünder, livakovic, nelsson, boey. All of these could get sold for at least 10 million, and some for more like 20-25
@@kaan4040 ndombele is a napoli flop.
The only money you have made on a foreign player potentially is zaniolo.
@@Micfri300 Kim min jae? Marcao? Elijf elmas? Muriqi? Atilla szallai? And then you have players like Boey, nelsson, batshuayi, Torreira, gedson fernandes, Osayi-Samuel and Miguel Crespo who have all had offers come in that far exceed their purchasing price. The turkish league has had a great revival over the past two seasons, with club debts being halfed and club market values going up by 50%, please dont be ignorant
@@kaan4040 Kim for 15 million. Big money 😆
Remove his salary and what did fenerbahce make...
Nothing.
Evidently people in Turkey don't study finance.
When you go to the level of overspending without control, you can build a strong league. But this doesn't get you any closer to international successes without homegrown players. This is what happened to many countries in Central Asia and the Middle East, not just simply Turkey. Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are another examples of bad management: these countries overspent their wealth on football to buy football stars to play for their teams. Saudi Arabia is also another lavish spender as well with massive wealth. So are the UAE and Qatar.
Overspending can only work if you have two things: the country must be an authoritarian state, and belong to a much weaker confederation. This is seen with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE, where they constantly qualified for Asian Cup and, for the Saudis, more World Cups. Once coming to a stronger and more fierce confederation, you are completely exposed. That's what happened to the three Turkic states, where football mismanagement is a norm with autocrats are in charge, although recent UEFA law of making democracy a requirement can surely undermine their UEFA confidence.
The only thing that keeps Turkey's reputation is because they did qualify for World Cup (only twice). And currently Kazakhstan's surprise performance in Euro 2024 qualifiers is not because Kazakhstan has become "better", but rather they do have exceptional moments since given the quality, Kazakhstan is only worth to be booted back to the AFC. That shows the problem of overspending be like.
Turkey is much larger than the other countries in your examples, population size matters. Despite poor spending, Turkey can still field a few starters in the top 5 leagues. It can be jsut a streak of bad luck (see Italy or Spain 20 years ago), but with a bit of tuning, this amount of investment is bound to produce results eventually
@@iulianju7893 There is a massive difference in how Turkish teams spending. They are not simply overspending, but they even overrate the prices. Simply put they inflated the market to make it difficult for others not to accept offers from Turkish clubs. These inflated money could have been used into youth development programs, which they didn't.
Luckily Altinordu is taking the lead in term of sustainable development. They only nurture players at home soil or Turkish players born abroad to ensure their connection to Turkey never disappear while feeling proud to represent Turkey if needed.
I truly expected more from you guys, it's not Sporting Lisbon, it's Sporting Clube de Portugal
Turkey is the Mexico of European football
we're also Mexico in terms of politics, society and economy
Istanbul=Mexico City lol (except Istanbul isn't the capital)
You're partly correct but mostly wrong. I won't delve into the specifics, but I would encourage you to look into UEFA's 2021 announcement regarding Galatasaray. They allowed us to conclude the "Settlement Agreement" that arose due to the Financial Fair Play regulations even one year before than the planned time.
You didn’t say anything about other clubs. This video is just about Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe and Beșiktaș. What about other clubs?They also spend lots of money.
No? Besides the big 4, -and Adana Demirspor to some extent-, clubs make their survival off free agents and transfer window leftovers(our window lasts two weeks longer than the other european leagues). They are really poor and current situation with big clubs turned the league to a two club league because of that. Even Beşiktaş can't keep up with Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray anymore.
Money for foreign football stars, no matter how many Turks go hungry.
Turks can never go hungry
@@andreicossack5679people queuing up for bread look hungry.
@cagdasyalcin190489 I am a Nigerian that lives in Turkey .They will always be fine .
You have to have 3 turkish player (atleast) on the field
I see every penny spent on the Turkish national football team as a waste. Instead, there should be more investment in volleyball, swimming, archery, wrestling, etc.
Cool!
From what I know foreign players are also not taxed in Turkiye. Please look into this, you appear to have missed this glaring point.
So all these are by the books. Sponsorship deals, sales, and bank loans. As far as ffp, they are subject to same laws or regulations as psg, man city and chelsea.
I am currently in a vacation to Thailand and have watched a football match there. The Thai League 1, in many sense, is similar to Turkish Super Lig. If you are aware of Thai football, you must realize that Thai clubs are some of the richest clubs in Asia.
So how did it happen? Thai clubs, just like Turkish clubs, have tacit government backings, but in Thailand's case, they have the whole monarchy backing them. And Thai monarchy is among the richest and wealthiest, and perhaps, the richest non-oil monarchy. And the monarchy manipulated the price so Thai clubs can always stay wealthy to buy players at a lower price than originally it is. For instance, Azerbaijan's Ramil Sheydayev even left Qarabag, the richest club in his homeland, to play for Buriram United, Thailand's wealthiest club, because Buriram can offer to pay more than double to that of Qarabag.
While Thailand hasn't rivalled Turkey in term of achievements, I think Thailand and Turkey have a lot of similarities in football development.
Now please do "Where has Brunei football money gone to"
China and Turkey have a lot of feuds, but this is something we both recognised: football was ruined by mismanagement and overspending.
They do?
@@gsboss7China and Turkey have a rivalry of 5000 years, from 160 BC to modern day, while they're more cooperative, Turkey recognizes China's actions in Xinjiang or to Turkey, East Turkestan or East Turkestan Islamic Republic as genocide.
Turkish subtitle? Please
Fun fact: Ali Koc's father rahmi koc is a besiktas fan and the sponsor of the besiktas stadium
It is not Ali Kok, it is Koç, ç is like ch when pronounced like church.
our pockets, of course.
So they do what basically every country does
So crazy
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar ,Russia and China are belong to the same club of authoritarian countries. They literally can overspend on football because most of the clubs are state owned. Out of all of those countries only Turkey that’s considered as a football powerhouse in Europe however apart from two World Cup appearances and a Euro semifinal they have yet to produce any kind of memorable performance. Also they’re now very much lacking of star players maybe Arda Guler is the future but he’s yet garnered any kind of exposure.
Clubs that are mentioned here or the rest never was state owned. They just owe big loans to state owned banks and subject to refinancing their debts.
Big difference is that for example zenit signed hulk witsel and criscito in their prime and could sell them on.
Ie look at malcom being sold in the summer
@@cun8aslannot true. While yes the big 3 Fenerbahçe, Galatasaray and Beşiktaş are member owned Clubs. Most of the clubs that end with the suffix -spor are owned by their municipalities and are therefore financed mainly by taxpayer money
most of what you just said is completely false
Russia is actually the most successful, considering how Russia inherited records from the Soviet Union. However with Russia being banned, if Russia cannot be allowed to compete, in long term, it will be Turkey to take the opportunity.
Five days ago, head of the galatasaray sk(sport club) had a presentation for the members of the club. According to that presentation, Galatasaray will have +ebitda of 40 million euro this year.
Yo you used the wrong for at 00:23, it's not the Turkish flag. Just so you know.
In Turkey we realize the terms "if you have good competition it doesn't mean you have good nationa team"
Turkish clubs suffered from FFP which PSG and CITY (arabic clubs) did not fail!
Now you can ask Paris side how they can pay 600m € only for a player😉
4:32 that rich Ali looks really cocky there
fenerbaçhe won the turkish cup in June, so Koç has won a trophy
Wages all over Europe bar England are reported i net figures.
Please, if you are making a video about Türkiye try to learn how to pronounce some letters that you're going to use in the video. Koç is pronounced like Koch where "ch" is like in the Chair.
Where do Besaksehir fall in this?! Are they still a force in Turkish football?
Hey cool video
and the biggest problem in my opinion is that only top strikers and possibly some midfielders are brought in, so football is not only attack, but also quality defense, I think the problem is that there are no results in European competitions, they don't have top defenders and goalkeepers...just look at the Turkish national team and everything is clear, the best players are defensive players because they play abroad, in top five leagues
For those who do not familiar to Istanbul, the location of Galatasaray's current training facility (Florya) is priceless, in all terms of value of property. One of the most valuable areas in Istanbul's most expensive and luxury districts.
Turkish football was real during the 80s and 90s. This results with 2002. Now ita blaoted like the PL
ffs can we stop calling Sporting “Sporting Lisbon”?! Call it Sporting Portugal, Sporting CP, just Sporting or SCP, just not Sporting Lisbon, it’s completely wrong.
do not tell me that you believe the wages of essential players in galatasaray. they obviously hid the wages of tete, icardi, and especially zaha. even they hid the injury of ziyech. we know the info about ziyech because he was not chosen for the national team due to muscle strains in the thigh.
"Turkey is now on the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) 'grey list' of countries that have failed to combat global money laundering"
Waiting your video named "Where Does City's Barca's PSG's Money Come From"
Most people think 3 istanbul clubs have around 20m fans each but in reality they don't. Non-spending fans shouldn't count as fans since they don't materially support their clubs. I rather have 1 million solid fans who spend and support instead of 20 million squirrels.
Koç is pronounced as Koch or Cotch not Kok
dinleyene kadar neden bu kadar yorumlarda sıkıntı çıktığını anlamamıştım. Bir anda yakaladı
@@caoses yani bilmemek ayıp değil, o yüzden bizede öğretmek düşer
In Turkey we don't ask where the money's coming from. We know it's not coming from here.
4:33 jsjsjsksksjkwkskskwlsndis
Alecoc
Turkey is a country consist of rich people who are traditionally known for decades. The big clubs have their own society since 14th century. Galatasaray club has its own university, technopark, and a competitive high school teaches in French as main language. Their fans are worldwide where the team players feel the support all around the world.
Just like everything in Turkey, it’s only downhill from here!
The problem of government is not because it's wrong, it's because these clubs are becoming a burden upon their excheckers with the plummeting Turkish Lira
Fans demand big names because Turkish football mentality is still that of at 2000's, a lot of gen X and boomer fanbase just despise modern game. They want to see big names showing class. And since the foreign player restrictions are back, having big foreign players is vital for big clubs, because just having them in your squad creates an edge for your team
Beşiktaş, in particular, had a very damaging ordeal with its fans because of this mentality. They brought Valerien Ismael(Current coach of Watford) at the end of 20-21 season.
The man demanded a very German style transition game that seem to overwhelm opponents tacticallly, but since he wasn't given time to settle goalscoring issues, fans and media started a relentless campaign to get the man sacked, for a more favourible old school styled Şenol Güneş last season at about week 6 or so(Which also fumbled and resigned just recently)
And now the fans demand big signings from the club and want the board out. The new board will be expected to find players matching Gala and Fener's signings. Any modern philosophy is basically rejected by fans.
Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe fans are no different in this regard.
Anlatacak saniyordum, meger bize soruyormus.
İ'm turkish. Why thumbnail have erdoğan?
Some question😂😂😂 but I am from Pakistan 🇵🇰
He used to be a soccer player no?
Long as it's not government money,it's fair game.
Tifo Football wouldn't dare make this video about Manchester City...
all foreign team not even from their country
Bro having loudest fans in whole world its has to unique
ali who?
They using the same method what bank of Amerika does...printing out mate..simple as that..😊 Galatasaray...they got around 30million of supporters, so as a Gs fan i do buy things in stores..thing about it what happens if 10% does the same..
No mention of Istanbul Basekhir?
One season wonder , state funded + no real fans + lost all their big players
This club has no any fan base. It’s like a business company.
Anything against euro ideologies leads to an inquiry. It was ok for people outside euro to invest in euro clubs but stories emerge as soon as these same types of people invest outside of top euro clubs. A little cynical and euro centric, isn't it?
This guy makes all the others at Tifo feel amatuer
He's the narrator. He's mostly reading what 'the others' research for him
@@iulianju7893 good to know. I trust that's the case. As a career journalist, I understand that very well. So the others can just play their role, and leave this to him
It would be nice to see something like this with Hungarian football, its disgusting. The 1-2 quality players we have are the ones never experienced the hungarian academy system.. oh the irony...
But your dictator has built a lot of new stadiums, isn't that nice?
exactly football is fun with star players not random 17 years old boys(75% of them aren’t even talented)