6 Turbo Truck in Thailand WTF?

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  • @CBMedia404
    @CBMedia404  2 роки тому +86

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    • @jacobrev6567
      @jacobrev6567 2 роки тому +1

      Ok👍👍👍

    • @callmezoran
      @callmezoran 2 роки тому +1

      Let me buy you your dinner instead.

    • @CBMedia404
      @CBMedia404  2 роки тому +3

      @@callmezoran thank you so much brother. That was super nice of you and thanks for saying hello

    • @coolbreeze6329
      @coolbreeze6329 2 роки тому

      Oh by the way I'm still in my hunting shed in Michigan waiting for a deer to cross it's a good thing we got a store down the road

    • @user-fr3es4mc5h
      @user-fr3es4mc5h 2 роки тому

      OMG 😮

  • @WushuTaz
    @WushuTaz 2 роки тому +388

    Thailand may be on the other side of the world from me and totally alien to my culture but when you both giggled at the turbo sound it shows how similar we all are.

    • @s.p.sracingchannal1429
      @s.p.sracingchannal1429 2 роки тому +14

      ผมคนไทย ผมชอบคอมเม้นท์นี้💗

    • @kaeosfactory
      @kaeosfactory 2 роки тому +12

      The turbo flutter is a giggle itself. 😂

    • @christianmieldauz9874
      @christianmieldauz9874 2 роки тому +7

      much loves from Philippines bro. We also use diesels for drag racing

    • @akiyomer
      @akiyomer Рік тому +1

      i dont really like the lowered hilux vigo, revo and isuzu dmax i like offroad custom pickup more

    • @adjiedjanaka4397
      @adjiedjanaka4397 Рік тому

      @@akiyomer everyone has different tastes bro

  • @waylinnelson
    @waylinnelson 2 роки тому +16

    Thailand just does it different. You don’t see anything else like this anywhere else in the world.
    Pretty amazing what they do over there.

    • @4037Mia
      @4037Mia 2 роки тому

      Yes, you can see this in PR

  • @alongjunor7729
    @alongjunor7729 2 роки тому +6

    Thailand. The hidden paradise for tuner in SEA. Their impact on motorsports throughout south east asia is massive.

  • @DESSLOK17327
    @DESSLOK17327 2 роки тому +21

    I'm going to ship my 6.6 Duramax to Thailand and see how they can build it out. Thanks Chad

    • @dieselgeezer18
      @dieselgeezer18 2 роки тому +2

      Fun fact: The Duramax engine is built by Isuzu not Chevy. The only thing that comes from chevy is the fuel system.

    • @Tyler-kw9ce
      @Tyler-kw9ce 2 роки тому +1

      @@dieselgeezer18 I own a colorado with a 2.8 duramax and someone tried to rag on my truck because the engine was built by Isuzu. I told him that's a positive to me. Isuzu makes a great engine and there's a reason their used in so many commercial vehicles. I couldn't care less who built it as long as it works.

    • @dieselgeezer18
      @dieselgeezer18 2 роки тому +1

      @@Tyler-kw9ce well i didn't say that its a negative

    • @Tyler-kw9ce
      @Tyler-kw9ce 2 роки тому +2

      @@dieselgeezer18 sorry I wasn't trying to imply you did. More so point out how close minded people can be in the US about their brands. And what they perceive to be a good brand.

  • @rcbear5863
    @rcbear5863 2 роки тому +10

    You the man keep the videos coming loving the new content you're putting down

  • @1776mikew
    @1776mikew 2 роки тому +100

    Tailgate down is not aerodynamic.The tailgate in the closed, or up, position actually creates a large bubble of air in the bed that aero engineers call a “separated bubble” or “Locked Vortex Flow.” This is a very good thing. This invisible bubble of air trapped inside the open bed box actually helps make the pickup more aerodynamic

    • @bradtaylor6139
      @bradtaylor6139 2 роки тому +2

      🌽😮

    • @beardedforlife3740
      @beardedforlife3740 2 роки тому +1

      Keeping the tailgate up isn't always a good idea. Keeping mine up on a windy day almost made me crash more than a few times

    • @alexandersupertramp7353
      @alexandersupertramp7353 Рік тому +1

      @@bradtaylor6139 😂😂😂😂

    • @skylerjr2648
      @skylerjr2648 Рік тому +1

      It depends on if they want up to 25% more downforce on the rear. Removing a tailgate for free downforce is a rather sweet deal.
      Usually you'd be adding spoilers and other bits to generate downforce. Granted, these effects only really become obvious at sufficiently high speeds. 100 km/h+

  • @PuffyJetsnake
    @PuffyJetsnake 2 роки тому +1

    nothing more candid than two car guys getting giddy over red lining a turbo powered monster lol

  • @PhoHmooAmerica
    @PhoHmooAmerica 2 роки тому +4

    This channel deserves more subscribers than any other car channels

  • @idoskidsattheawesomeauzzie9255

    These Videos of yours are AMAZING 🤩 Thank You 🙏 for keeping me posted & entertained

  • @okthailand
    @okthailand 2 роки тому +55

    Hello, I'm Thai people who follow you every day. Please focus on doing what you do.

  • @waynewerner563
    @waynewerner563 2 роки тому +5

    Love the car videos really cool seeing how other places do things keep it up

  • @DaveTalksBusiness
    @DaveTalksBusiness 2 роки тому +6

    Imao! You do realize right that these Thai people are so good at truck drag racing. Like one of the best in the world for many years lol

  • @Sizzler1174
    @Sizzler1174 2 роки тому +6

    Hell yeah I made it this far and your dang right I'm giving this vid a 👍. That truck is EPIC! I hope you can keep up the sweet vids bro. 🤜💥🤛

  • @TwistedTriggerEnduro
    @TwistedTriggerEnduro 2 роки тому +13

    Awesome video, as always. Thanks for bringing us stuff we'd never see here in the west. Automotive passion is infectious. 🔥💪

  • @BenjySparky
    @BenjySparky 2 роки тому +2

    Chad you rock! Love the channel and content! I'm here for the algorithm! Peace

  • @FarmerDrew
    @FarmerDrew 2 роки тому +117

    Indubitably! I have always thought diesel deserves a class of its own in formula drift. Making peak torque at 1200 RPMs allows for predictable control in a power slide.

    • @stefan_4508
      @stefan_4508 2 роки тому +2

      Fuck that is it even a drift car if its not bashing limi the whole time 😂😂

    • @0xsergy
      @0xsergy 2 роки тому +6

      1200rpm but gotta keep boost up. Would require some finesse throttle

    • @FarmerDrew
      @FarmerDrew 2 роки тому +5

      @@0xsergy yeah it would, I know how that is, I get way more wheel spin in my turbodiesel truck between 1200 and 2500, as it starts making peak HP, especially with dual overhead cams. There should definitely be diesels in formula drift.

    • @boxedfender4810
      @boxedfender4810 2 роки тому

      It would be shit for spectators just stinky diesel (off-road diesel probably) just sooting everything in the vicinity no thanks 👍

    • @william_SMMA
      @william_SMMA 2 роки тому

      Here comes the guy who learnt a new word 2 days before and now tries to use it everywhere on the internet

  • @NortheastWa
    @NortheastWa 2 роки тому +5

    I need to spend some time in Thailand. Nice-looking turbos, I hope they do the job!

  • @keatonlusk3693
    @keatonlusk3693 2 роки тому +17

    Diesel Isuzu drift build? That would be sick!

  • @WildhurstLodge
    @WildhurstLodge 2 роки тому +35

    You should do a build from entirely knock off parts and put it to the test vs cream pie

  • @jjojo2004
    @jjojo2004 2 роки тому +8

    In the USA, those Isuzu D-Max trucks are known as Chevy Colorados and GMC Canyons. 👍😎👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @hyperionoppressor8410
    @hyperionoppressor8410 2 роки тому +6

    Just realized i wasn't subscribed, done and done. Keep up the good work over there. If i had the loot i would make a trip out there, those are truly one of a kind builds

  • @albertlopez7131
    @albertlopez7131 2 роки тому +4

    Hey chad, i always watch your vlogs everytime you have a new videos. From philippines🇵🇭👌..take care always..

  • @CARRIERGUY
    @CARRIERGUY 2 роки тому +1

    Always great content. Keep it up!

  • @Turbski1
    @Turbski1 2 роки тому +1

    Hell yes Chad love the video! Keep em coming!!

  • @davidb8275
    @davidb8275 2 роки тому +64

    I’m really really getting the urge to go to Thailand and build a Thai car with only Thai Rep parts, I actually think it’d be a fun time!

  • @glenmiller3333
    @glenmiller3333 2 роки тому +5

    Them boys know how to get down!! Incredible what they are doing with those little engines!!👍

  • @geoffreyneish7999
    @geoffreyneish7999 2 роки тому +6

    Wicked Whips Brother, thank you for sharing them with us!! 🤙😎

  • @tomholz9928
    @tomholz9928 2 роки тому +7

    Great job! Love your work! Peace ☮️

  • @neilolson7851
    @neilolson7851 2 роки тому +1

    Also Chad killer content bro been a subscriber almost day 1 bro please keep it up you ROCK

  • @billdeburgh
    @billdeburgh 2 роки тому +27

    That "carbon" looks more like a wrap to me.

    • @darealkosmo
      @darealkosmo 2 роки тому +3

      thought I was the only one lol.

    • @deanoscott
      @deanoscott 2 роки тому

      About as much carbon fibre in that door as there is on my piece of toast I'm eating.

    • @b2dmastersniper
      @b2dmastersniper Рік тому

      Yep that is most definitely not carbon fiber.

  • @CartoonWeasel
    @CartoonWeasel 2 роки тому +4

    That little pink truck is pretty cool.
    Wish we had those in 🇨🇦

  • @CL-yp1bs
    @CL-yp1bs Рік тому +3

    Wow the ingenuity to make their own products domestically is amazing!!

  • @wildwest6929
    @wildwest6929 2 роки тому +3

    Great job Chad👌 I'm looking forward to revisiting my spiritual home. From Ireland

  • @fitz4922
    @fitz4922 2 роки тому

    That was kick ass Chad ! Thanks for that

  • @medulaoblongata2274
    @medulaoblongata2274 2 роки тому +3

    Thailand car scene is totally different breed and that's is awesomeeee🇹🇭❤️

  • @MK0007
    @MK0007 2 роки тому +2

    First time watching your channel, thought I was watching Tom Green for a second… great channel, subbed… 💪💥🤪

  • @fractal4284
    @fractal4284 2 роки тому +16

    It's really crazy how these Thai dudes in Thailand are more extreme than most car guys in united states' when it comes to crazy over the top builds

    • @035gogmofo6
      @035gogmofo6 Рік тому +3

      what im gonna say sounds probably corny but it is true. people that are less "fortunate" compared like the first world countries are more creative with most of the things cause they have to do it with what they got. but tbf in south east asia you got many junkyards with crashed/imported cars and bikes. so can get parts for very cheap unlike the western countries. so in a way the asian car scene got a big advantage in that.

  • @seap9570
    @seap9570 2 роки тому +4

    Never disappoints to deliver the cars or the girls and sometimes both!

  • @ryanhogan6509
    @ryanhogan6509 2 роки тому +1

    6 turbos, I clicked the like before the video started!! 😂

  • @chasechevy8933
    @chasechevy8933 2 роки тому +1

    That's nutty stuff! It bottled my mind as Derek from vice grip garage would say 🤪

  • @gorandahvu9442
    @gorandahvu9442 2 роки тому +5

    Great job! Love your work!Greetings from Sweden ....

  • @migueldumancas5563
    @migueldumancas5563 2 роки тому +1

    yaaayy new video i miss you chad

  • @Ric4369
    @Ric4369 Рік тому +2

    Im from thailand and i see them ALL the time also theyre super loud

  • @mrmd8819
    @mrmd8819 2 роки тому

    Man I remember remember when you started this channel as the pandemic hit. Now w your subs / views you must be living like a king over there $
    Good for u

  • @teemzzz1
    @teemzzz1 2 роки тому +3

    That's nuts ! 6 turbos on inline four 🤣

  • @mattlafortune923
    @mattlafortune923 2 роки тому +22

    I love the Thailand domestic market vids and getting a price comparison to $, the quality looks alot better than the wish/ebay builds ruining car meets these days, i'd like to see a 70's chevy luv done in 'tdm' styling

  • @zamkhan2935
    @zamkhan2935 2 роки тому +4

    Thai car culture is on next level 👍👍🤔

  • @thegrumpycanadian274
    @thegrumpycanadian274 2 роки тому +1

    This is the kind of video I live for!

  • @mikeyz8775
    @mikeyz8775 2 роки тому +2

    Bythbusters proved that leaving the tailgate on the truck is better for the aerodynamics

  • @user-kr1or1hm4v
    @user-kr1or1hm4v Рік тому +3

    I grew up loving American trucks even tho pickups like the isusu dmax ford ranger mitsubishi l200 were the one in my country it didn't have aftermarket support seeing this in Thailand is freaking amazing

  • @xpvrrish
    @xpvrrish 2 роки тому +5

    id love to have some of that bracing things for my toyota pickup

  • @johnnymoran1177
    @johnnymoran1177 2 роки тому

    Those "Weld" wheels look exactly like the VMS Racing wheels I just ordered for my C6Z06 last night... 😂

  • @visionboxed
    @visionboxed Рік тому +1

    I like how the driver fits into the seat.

  • @TylorRegier
    @TylorRegier 2 роки тому

    I don't know why but that rev limiter at the end made me smile from ear-to-ear

  • @Chewygsxr
    @Chewygsxr 2 роки тому +34

    That’s insane, 6 turbos on a 4 cylinder, like you said, only in Thailand. The wheel Selection was awesome, I dig the Bronze wheels, set me up with a set of 4 lug 17/7’s for my 14 Fiesta ST, they’d look awesome on my Silver ST. The Fiesta Flash. 🤙🏼🍺🍺🍺

  • @TwistedTattoo.WarShorts
    @TwistedTattoo.WarShorts 2 роки тому

    Best content on UA-cam 👍🇬🇧

  • @toad2039
    @toad2039 2 роки тому

    automatic like before comercials end nice find man

  • @brianreesecom
    @brianreesecom 2 роки тому +1

    Keep up the Diesel content!! Thx bro

  • @NickPDX22
    @NickPDX22 2 роки тому +1

    That yellow 6 turbo truck sounds like it’s rod knocking HARD

  • @gtgodbear6320
    @gtgodbear6320 2 роки тому +4

    I like the Isuzu truck itself I wish they sold them in the US. Nice proportions.

  • @THROTTLEPOWER
    @THROTTLEPOWER 2 роки тому

    Great vid!!!!!! 👍👍👍

  • @geuros
    @geuros 2 роки тому

    A guy in my home country of Czech Republic built a double-radial ten cylinder engine (2 radial banks per 5 on top of each other) with 5 Roots superchargers for a 70 years old vintage bike. And it's road legal. He wanted to build an engine no-one else did before him and he succeeded.

  • @uncommonlogic1698
    @uncommonlogic1698 2 роки тому +54

    Chad, most of those wheels are "as original" just branded different.
    Thailand produces 1.6Million cars and trucks a year. Something around 4.8 million motorcycles.
    The Import duties are quite low for new parts, to support vehicle manufacturing.
    Enkei has a foundry in Bangkok they produce all of the domestic Toyota Aluminum wheels sold OEM, other companies produce the parts here but usually under licence or the company name is something else.
    Most everything is made in Thailand or China now.

    • @william_SMMA
      @william_SMMA 2 роки тому +2

      Cap

    • @Makaya9s
      @Makaya9s Рік тому +1

      Calling a forged wheel which isn't forged the same while it is just a structurally weaker and heavier piece of junk isn't right

    • @onalonan
      @onalonan 7 місяців тому

      Yes, a lot of them are knocked off but a lot of them are the Original products that made from the same factorys as a lot of famous wheel brands were made here in Thailand they just have to use those trick like those funny names, you only have to learn and understand the parts of the car and how to seperate the fake from the original one. But if you're a beginner just buy only the original products shops, also there countless genuine car part shops in Thailand too and it's also not expensive.
      Just like all the trucks in this Video and all of the racing Thai trucks at the Thai racing event, Most of them if not all used the Original parts from the factory because it's not worth it and it's not making sense when you already spent more than 1 million+ Thai baht(us$50,000+) just to built the truck only not included the truck price itself and used the fake cheap small parts.

    • @meihopkins
      @meihopkins 5 місяців тому

      @@onalonanall fun and laughs until your ""forged"" vole wheel mode in japan shatters because of a pothole

    • @onalonan
      @onalonan 5 місяців тому

      @@meihopkins did you even read my comment???
      I just explained the people about the real and the fake products and just said none of these guys in this videos used the fake wheels while they used millions to built their cars.
      And now what did you want to say to me???
      "Fun and laugh" ???
      Who fun?? And who laugh???
      "Until your forged vole wheel mode in japan"???
      So I just explained about the fake and real products and now those fake products are mine???
      Do you have some problems with your brain???
      Or do you even have a tuned cars baby??? I bet you do not even have one. And may be you do not even have car culture in your own country to says something disrespectful and full of joulous like that just like 5 years old kid while people just tried to explained about the products.
      For sure you're living under a rock I have to say and hope you have a fun life too in your country seriously.

  • @DemarcusQ
    @DemarcusQ 2 роки тому +3

    Looks like 2 big turbos cut into 6 pieces lol Yoo but that designs they come up with are so beautiful makes me wanna try somthin of my own

  • @MattBerrymotorsport
    @MattBerrymotorsport 2 роки тому +2

    cool support bars, but when the tray is mounted with rubber to the chassis rails it makes the support kind of pointless. Love the look of the bars and missing tailgate though!! Those guys are so creative and i love that.

  • @Food_travel_auto_fun_89
    @Food_travel_auto_fun_89 2 роки тому

    Great video!

  • @TROdesigns
    @TROdesigns 2 роки тому +1

    Encyclopedic knowledge on the Volk Rims lol. Gotta love the insane Thai style bro

  • @thomass1396
    @thomass1396 2 роки тому +3

    Just testdrive my gf friends 2013 hilux here in thailand and wow what a sweet sounding truck. But manual feels abit alien when i usually drive on the left side..

  • @JaYf7709
    @JaYf7709 2 роки тому +1

    Everybody loves turbo noises. If you don't we can't be friends. lol

  • @RONIN1111
    @RONIN1111 2 роки тому

    Keep the car content coming

  • @peterconnolly2841
    @peterconnolly2841 2 роки тому

    Merry Christmas chard

  • @koreycowan1976
    @koreycowan1976 Рік тому +3

    Thailand has a way of making things gaudy... But they do it in such a way that it's cool. Sometimes it gets a little cartoonish though. Anyway thanks for the video bro I really enjoy them.

  • @reecewatson773
    @reecewatson773 2 роки тому +1

    WOW!!! Insane builds...

  • @freshy2774
    @freshy2774 2 роки тому

    This content makes me want a minitruck 😎

  • @Hgilly12
    @Hgilly12 2 роки тому

    Mate chad what a vid I went to kit racing and built a welsh Toyota hillux vigo got it all kitted out with NOS and a wrap love this place and shop and that car is so sick even tho that’s too many turbos for an engine like that. On your channel I see a lot of cars and coffee videos or car meet up’s how do you know there is one because I’d love to go to one🙂🙂🙂

  • @shifty1927
    @shifty1927 2 роки тому +54

    Man this might sound strange but id like to collect those different reps. Id run 4 different variations (volh,vola,vols, etc.lol) on each corner of the car.

    • @fritz-karlfunkenberg194
      @fritz-karlfunkenberg194 2 роки тому +5

      Driving around like a boomer would do :D dont forget to put AMG/RS/Competition/M5 on the back of of a Mitsubishi Diesel Truck :D

    • @FIRST465
      @FIRST465 2 роки тому +1

      @@fritz-karlfunkenberg194 Haters gonna hate. Living in a shell..

    • @fritz-karlfunkenberg194
      @fritz-karlfunkenberg194 2 роки тому +5

      @@FIRST465 More like living in a world where stealing brands their craftsmanship and name is nothing to be proud of, especially with low quality equipment. You could instead make all this your own and you dont need to copy everyone who does clearly better work at this. Copy someone to make money with the build up Reputation they have is just embarrasing.

    • @shifty1927
      @shifty1927 2 роки тому +1

      @@fritz-karlfunkenberg194 lol gotta rebadge down. Like in hs I had a decently modded e30 325is with a 316i badge 😂

    • @trillrifaxegrindor4411
      @trillrifaxegrindor4411 2 роки тому +1

      @@fritz-karlfunkenberg194 this is the Asian way,100% (other than japan) guitars, cars ,car parts ,clothes,shoes you fucking name it

  • @tarikdelalic7075
    @tarikdelalic7075 2 роки тому

    Some sick trucks🤙🤙 are there any cool PJ pk ranger with sick setups?

  • @freejay3
    @freejay3 2 роки тому

    Some sick trucks there!

  • @BANE81support
    @BANE81support 2 роки тому

    These trucks look and sound SICK!!!!! I won't lie though those braces are the coolest thing I've seen. Don't know if I'd trust this garage with building my car though, I dread to think how many other parts are fake. This like a fullon Dhgate garage 🤣

  • @ceeiv8143
    @ceeiv8143 2 роки тому

    Dude I've seen this 6 turbo on your Instagram and all I can think about is how the fuck does that thing sound! Great video... Mode In Japan! Hahaha

  • @rosco4659
    @rosco4659 2 роки тому

    Do you ever come across people modifying Mazda WLT engines? Great video, thanks bud.

  • @xisleprez
    @xisleprez 2 роки тому

    The titanium work looked Sick! So did the carbon work. Could you do an episode on the shop or guy that does the carbon work? Thank you.

  • @mikedaboss4927
    @mikedaboss4927 2 роки тому +19

    Chad, i think you should build your own turbodiesel truck just like them.

  • @Oc3anMaster
    @Oc3anMaster 2 роки тому +1

    Chad, coats and hoodies are mainly used to help with sun protection than it is because the Thai people are cold. Although during the cooler times (relatively speaking) and more up north they will actually use them for temperature control since Thailand is a warmer climate country and the Thai people down south and near Bangkok can be more sensitive to the cool temps. That being said, animals that hangout at night, whether it be strays or house animals that sleep outside, it's more for cutesy warm dress attire, the dogs don't actually need it.

  • @alexduey7868
    @alexduey7868 2 роки тому +2

    I love the idea of sport compact trucks

  • @Mikefngarage
    @Mikefngarage 2 роки тому +3

    makes my old RABBIT DIESEL seem tame. I have a Rabbit with 1.9 aaz tdi turbo fuel turned up that RIPS....

  • @thekidless7682
    @thekidless7682 2 роки тому +1

    Insane turbo overdose!😂😂😂

  • @jasonveto2320
    @jasonveto2320 2 роки тому

    Also there's an 8 turbo ls swapped mustang built by a youtuber in Canada. Nowhere near that level of build but still pretty dope

  • @Billy-gl7im
    @Billy-gl7im 2 роки тому

    There is a guy in Canada that made a 8 turbo mustang. Super dope

  • @anthonyjohnson100
    @anthonyjohnson100 2 роки тому +6

    You should get a few sets of knock off Thailand wheels and a few set of lightly damaged name brand wheels and send them to hydraulic press channel to see what the strength differences are!!

    • @arthurn9237
      @arthurn9237 2 роки тому +1

      OH HELL YEA LET'S SEE
      HOW IT PRESSES DOWN TO . THAT IS A NOVEL IDEA I WILL SAY

  • @bfelder8853
    @bfelder8853 2 роки тому

    This is probably the nicest flea market I've ever seen

  • @enkin31
    @enkin31 2 роки тому +1

    crazy built and i love it!🔥

  • @bockyboc
    @bockyboc 2 роки тому

    Can you do some exploring and travelling videos i miss that on your channel

  • @dodoz44
    @dodoz44 7 місяців тому

    Thailand has wild car & boat culture for sure.

  • @phuocduyktr4
    @phuocduyktr4 2 роки тому +1

    Love it !

  • @tomorrowsdeals1
    @tomorrowsdeals1 2 роки тому

    Awsome Chad...

  • @stinkybevah4361
    @stinkybevah4361 2 роки тому +1

    Yea I’m sure the tailgate has plenary of structural rigidity in it 😂🤦‍♂️

  • @coolbreeze6329
    @coolbreeze6329 2 роки тому

    The nice thing about sitting in a hunting shed waiting for deer that aren't going to show up you got beer and CB media

  • @vinrod34
    @vinrod34 2 роки тому

    Awesome!! Cars, beers and babes.