The lack of talk about Beastars is undoubtably due to Netflix's misguided distribution and marketing model, especially with anime. They hoard the whole series until months after it finished airing in japan, then basically buried the release under the mountain of other stuff they put out, and do the bare minimum of marketing for it.
In general, I think their marketing is weird. Not just for anime. WIsh Dragon and Vivo from Sony were swept under the rug too. I literally saw no advertising before the release for both of those movies. Heck, even Mitchells vs. the Machines didn't have that much advertisement. This of course could be an issue that is caused by Sony but I highly doubt it
This. Netflix seems to hate the anime it hosts for some reason. I didn't even know season 2 was out until people started posting clips of it on youtube. Frankly, if it's not published/produced by Netflix itself, it gets swept under the rug like NO NO said.
Exactly 😅 I watched it with subtitles and when it came in French on Netflix I didn’t really care since I have the mangas and had see the animated scene already
Someone should really just shout to the world that you shouldn't spoil stuff in thumbnails and titles of UA-cam videos. I have had so many things that happened in season 2 spoiled for me. I went through watching like, "Wow, this would have been a great reveal, except for the fact that I already knew it was going to happen," or, in some cases, "Wow, I might have laughed at this if I didn't already know it was going to happen."
Snake lady: “I am the security guard of the school that sees everything” *Killer admits to crime within the school multiple times and fights with wolf boy in shower* Snake lady is gone
I feel snake lady watched and decided to let Legoshi decide what to do with him completely lol Kinda funny the security guard would let a kid decide the verdict of a murderer tho lol
@@hueylong7989 Doing your job isn't a requirement for a good character... what are you on about? (not saying she's a good character, but your logic is bad)
I think the reason people aren't talking about Season 2 of Beastars is simply because due to the success of the first season people went out nad bought the Manga which was several volumes in already, way ahead of the anime. So it could be people aren't talking about the anime because they already experienced the story from reading the Manga and so the anime doesn't hit as hard since they already experienced the plot. Where as with Season 1 the majority of people hadn't even herd of the Manga yet so we're experiencing the story first through the anime.
Adding to that, if they are anything like me, they could possible be less interested cause they've seen how it ends and, unfortunately its not good. S3 was confirmed recently and if its just gonna follow the Manga then I really wouldn't have much interest in it.
@@ZombiedWolf That's what killed my entire interest in the series. I did read ahead, and have done so plenty of on-going series with manga (MHA for example) typically that just gets my excited to see the manga animated, except when the manga ends up being bad or going sharply down in terms of quality. The arcs following the resolution of the murderer on campus arc, the series just goes in such a 180 direction IMO (in very much the same way/manner as MHA actually as that's another series I've dropped due to decline IMO of the manga's story) that, to me, it becomes an entirely different kind of story/narrative/genre even. When you build something up to have one major setting and focus, and then dump that in favor of an entirely different one, of course some people are gonna drop the series/lose interest.
I love the character designs because they weren't cowards and gave us actual animal girls, instead of just gluing animal ears into female characters, and maybe a tail if they're feeling adventurous.
Furry anime guys: All fur, anthro, muscular, animal traits and features Furry anime girls: No fur, pretty much just humans with animal ears sticking out of their hair, and maybe a tail
Saber should also read "Beast Complex" it's a spin-off made by the same author in the same universe. Except it deals more with the world and is less action-oriented more story-driven with some deep dive with side characters from Beastars, even Legosi and Haru make an appearance in some chapters.
Thats definetly something I'd love to watch. Just did a comment saying they should make an OVA season with just worldbuilding and side characters even if I didnt knew this ever existed LOL. Hoping it comes out in anime form.
Pro: Overall great show & interesting characters. Con: not meeting the only security guard until season 2 then never bringing details of killer to her made her character pointless
I can't stop thinking about how she was just there to give Legoshi more push to find the killer but SHE had no follow up. She must really be part time!
Yeah that made absolutely no sense at all. She literally showed up out of nowhere and told him to do what he was already doing and then never showed back up. Legoshi never even mentioned her after the fact either. They really should have just cut her out completely because she had no purpose
It’s one of my favorite scenes because it’s quite a contrast to the rest of the TV show. The rest of the TV show is really crazy and then seeing this calm atmosphere is very refreshing
To be fair, Juno was never a main character. There were a _lot_ of side characters that didn't get seen much later in the manga, Juno just happened to be one of them
I feel like the issue with season 2 is mostly the pacing. The arc they cover is longer than should have really been done in the length of time they had. I think this comes out especially in Louis' story. Don't get me wrong I understand why they covered what they did with the season it would have felt incomplete if they hadn't finished where they did, the final fight with Riz. I wish they'd gotten like maybe 3 or 4 more episodes for this season to flesh it all out better but I was still super happy with the second season overall.
I agree with you. I feel like this season needed more than 12 episodes to feel more complete. I hope the next season does more than 12, even if it will take longer to come out.
@@APPictures9 I remember they, (Oh yea SPOILERS) somewhere, I'd have to find it, they didn't show the scene with Legoshi's grandpa like they did in the comics during the fight with Riz primarily because they weren't sure if a season 3 was going to take place. I'm curious how they're gonna do with the next season and if they're going to do the Melon ark in 1 or 2 seasons, I think the melon ark needs at least 2.
I agree! Second season definitely felt a bit rushed to me, like it needed just a bit more time to flesh out things. Also still really enjoyed what we got tho!
I really liked this season, especially the mystery with Tem’s killer. However I don’t think it was as good as S1 cuz haru got pushed to the side, and the initial thing that drew a lot of ppl in was HOLY SHIT THE WOLF WANTS TO FUCK THE RABBIT
in the manga haru just dissapears at some point. like the whole second arc almost never includes her and she's such a big part og legoshi's beliefs. so when i watched the second season i was so glad they didn't just completely take her out. so yeah, if you compare anime and manga in the anime there's a lot of her.
@@shmeblya so basically the manga really is kinda worse than the anime regarding Haru huh? Daym. And they're still calling this a masterpiece? I mean get that Haru ain't the showrunner but CMON at least develop her with Legoshi already
I just love seeing Legoshi and Louis on screen at the same time. I liked how they interacted, and I like how Louis slowly starts warming up to Legoshi. Also, when Pina showed up and shared screen time with Legoshi, I expected people to ship them.
bro, i read the manga as well, I swear to god, if you get rid of haru, and told me that this is a gay romance manga. I without a doubt will believe that lmao
@@charlotteroussel-daudelin5194 I mean he says "a very important person to me", I think. Just the typical borderline gay scenes of shouen (though other parts do go over that border imo.)
I actually enjoy the direction the second season went, I haven't read the manga at all so I very much was surprised by all the plot corners. The reveal that Louis was alive, at the start really got me, and then the sacrifice at the end, I was legitimately worried that Legosi stooped to the bear's level. Honestly I enjoyed it a lot for the character development and soul searching that Legosi went through. Yes Haru definitely could have used more screen time and been more active but I feel like the distance between the characters is necessary. It fits the whole idea of them trying to figure themselves out so that they can move forward with a relationship with as little difficulty/ shed blood as possible. So as I don't have any foresight in the plot, I think it would be kind of funny having Louis come back to the school with a prosthetic and with a "interesting" inside joke he makes snide remarks on.
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected. Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him. Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has. Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs. Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
@@PlanetZoidstar Exactly my thoughts, she doesn’t need screen time with Lugosi, but time to work on herself too. And the underlying meaning of her doing that (sometimes the girl needs to fix themselves to,) is something I think that should be said. Especially with the type of story this is.
well.....technically his father thinks he's uh........*gay* but that is more of the inside joke of the fanbase because well......louis giving up his leg to a guy sounds *pretty gay*.
@@alexanderglass2057 So true. Hell we know Haru is still being bullied - that could have been followed up on since we are TOLD Haru is being bullied but we don't SEE it. We get closure that she's not sleeping around anymore, but her bullying isn't resolved. Like you said Haru could have had some time to work on herself since Legosi isn't around.
The Manga did disappoint me, especially how it ended. The characters are so well made, the world is so intriguing, the story is compelling. It has so much potential. I enjoyed the first season more because I didn't know about the Manga. I know what happens now, so it wasn't as much as a shock for me in season 2. My favorite scene was when Legosi dressed up as a lady and approached Louis in the bar. That was hilarious to see animated.
I think a good 90% of the reason why the last arc sucked so bad, was that Paru clearly rushed herself with the bullshit artificial “it will end on chapter 200!!!” Because she was still world-building, adding and dumping new characters and concepts until the end. I understand burn out, and wanting the series to be over already, but she’s starting a new manga now, and also kept doing beast compex?? I don’t understand why she just didn’t just take a break from writing beastars, I would’ve preferred that, and getting a better final arc, rather than whatever the hell happened.
@@SpectacleSpectacular that’s what the other 10% was for, the ending we got was plain bad, and forced. Like how (spoilers) Yahya and Melon were mortally wounded, yet still live for a happy ending. We also don’t know WHO THE NEW FUCKING BEASTAR IS, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS THE ENTIRE DRIVING PLOT OF THE FUCKING SERIES.
You should have mentioned some key points here: Season 2 left out substantial scenes like how Legoshi met Jack, as well as Legoshi's relationship with his grandpa. Season 1 was more faithful, despite omitting material like the glimpse of Rokume the snake, or Louis pulling a gun on Bill. I felt season 2 really rushed the ending and made it unsatisfying, which unfortunately is how the entire manga ends. Beastars takes place in an engrossing world, with captivating characters and relationships, and plenty of potential to be had. However, that potential tends to be squandered by poor writing, throwaway material, and lack of foresight. There is simply too many issues to be acceptable. But like I said, Beastars is strangely captivating. I still love it despite its glaring flaws and missed opportunities. There is something special about these animal characters and the struggles they have to go through in this overly conflicting world Paru Itagaki created. No ending, no matter how unsatisfying, will ever take away fr
Since the manga is finished, overall I feel like Paru really struck gold with the characters and their dynamics Everything else is kind of underwhelming, but she nailed this one aspect almost perfectly and you can tell.
I assume due to the changes in Season 2 material (setting up and foreshadowing later stuff), they're saving it for Season 3 so they'll have enough material for the 3rd Arc to fill all of season 3 (probably ending on Lego and Haru's date), since that's when the material is a lot more relevant as well.
I feel like the reason why the lack of conversation around beastars is how the story's subbed and dubbed viewers were essentially seeing the shows in two very separate times. As a result less people are talking about it cuz the viewers are essentially halved due to the release schedules. Instead of a huge amount of people hyped for the same show at once, you get two separate groups of people watching at different times. I remembered watching this show last year and a lot of subbed watchers can't make content around it because it might spoil dubbed fans. And now that it's been almost a year I think since its airing the hype is pretty much gone. This is on top of the fact that there's barely any marketing around it.
was not aware the second season had come out until my "sreason 2 beasters" alarm had went off. I had forgotten about the alarm, and the season, entirely
I also think they definitely missed the mark in terms of Haru’s character. I was so angry that their A-plot romance got knocked down to E- or F-plot, especially since that’s the thing that got me invested in the show in the first place
if you read the manga or in the future when the anime has covered all of the manga you should read beast complex! it's a spin-off which focuses on the characters and their stories! also theirs a chapter on legosi and haru after the events of the manga!
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected. Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him. Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has. Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs. Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
That's mainly due to the season 2 being rushed. There was suppose to be more of season 2 especially with the ending which they skipped over so much that would help well "bring back" the plot with legosi and haru issues with relationships.
tbh this was pretty much how it was in the manga. But the way Haru's character was treated as the manga went on is on a long list of many many bad writing choices made. I personally think the manga's story devolved into a total dumpster fire. But it's apparently getting a third season?
@@MackMyWorld Possibly. I mean I' reading the manga and I don't recall there being any scenes Season 2 skipped over, even if the ending was rushed, the main bulk of the season seriously neglected their relationship. It's argubably worse in the manga since those scenes the anime omitted result in their relationship scenes being stretched even further apart. I am reading through the manga now and I am up to the point where Legosi is about to eat Louis' leg, so I hope the chapters leading into the next arc do some serious catching up to bring their relationship back to the fore.
The reason season 2 didn't generate as much hype once it reached Netflix is that most people had already watched it before it got there through other sources. Most of the buzz came when the series was first premiering and a lot of people were just watching it with fansubs it seems. Because of this, a lot of people must have not been very interested once it finally got on Netflix since they had experienced it already. Basically, Netflix Jail ruins everything.
For real, I went and binged the manga right after so when season 2 was announced for the show I thought "what's the rush, I can't wait til it gets to Netflix now"
Gotta give credit for saying you like Haru. When I try and look up fan content of the show, I see a lot of Haru hate for getting "in-between" Legoshi and Louie.
I'm not a huge fan of Haru, but only because her character was made very shallow outside of "sexual bunny" "I'm an herbivore with potential carnivore boyfriend" "I get bullied a lot", and "I'm not just my stereotypes." I do wish she would have gotten more development in Season 2, but I also get why she didn't. There's also not a whole lot to do with her the way she ended on Season 1 without defying her development in the first season or being a generic conflicted love-interest and damsel in distress. She's the wrong character for the more intense stuff that happens in Season 2. I think she could have shown up a bit more, though, even if just for solo scenes or the like. I hate ships and think they're silly and nonsensical, I just don't care for her because she was done dirty by character development and turned out rather bland because of it, despite having a lot of potential. From what I've read this never really gets much better so I'm not holding my breath there.
I dont hate Haru or anything but well.... she did kinda become a background character for pretty much the rest of the Story and LegoshixHaru became less engaging compared to the first season. And if the two interact, they dont communicate but bicker the whole time :/
I liked s1 for those moments where he almost snapped but didn't, it made the awkward conversations and interactions feel more impactful as well as genuinely made me fear for Haru's life. They didn't really want to go that direction for s2 cause it would essentially retcon Legoshi's character development but in return, it lost the vague horror aspect and replaced it with action.
Actually yes and no. They didnt replace the horror aspect that's more of it being transferred to the antagonist of the story. Literally the bear almost killed him and imagine if he did. That would prove a point that riz would be right. Riz is what legoshi would of become if he failed to keep his instincts in season 1.
@@MackMyWorld I hadn't thought about it like that. So maybe it's not that it lost the horror aspect, but lost the suspense because we already knew what was going to happen. They weren't going to kill off one of the main characters so soon, and the herbivore was already dead by s2.
@@stellart5664 uh well they killed ibuki off. Pina would of potentially be also dead. We got to remember that riz was planning on killing both pina and legoshi. It's more of the lines of suspense of riz's really corrupted thoughts and how he slowly turns to madness over the denial of what he has done. The anime doesnt do justice on what the manga has done because it was hugely rushed. There were more scenes with louis being the leader of the shishigumi which dives deeper in the back alley market and has many development between louis and ibuki.
I love when this show shines a light on peripheral characters! I didn't see you mention it here, but I adored when the cheetah (Sheila?) had her little friend-date with the sheep and talked a bit about how she didn't feel pretty enough for Instagram/Facebook/etc. It might have been through the lens of "because I'm a carnivore", but I definitely related to her feeling like the "ugly friend" in that narrative, and it shone a light again on some of the more grounded, ordinary experiences in the world.
It was the posts WITH herbivores and carnivores that were getting attention. If it was just carnivores not so much. And yes the commentary about the problems with their respective fur was interesting.
Headcanon: Pina represents Pan, the Greek god of the satyrs (half man, half goat) and fertility, who was known to drink and be mega thirsty Pina just has a certain playful, flamboyant, and carefree personality that just reminds me so much of a fae or a pagan god
Here’s a beastars Easter egg for y’all: Can’t rlly remember what episode it was in season two, but in this one scene melon is actually shown riding the same subway as legoshi! Don’t know if anyone else knew bout it, but just thought I’d point it out ^^
My favorite part of season 2 was when louie was in the black market and everyone was like "your a herbivore in the black market" and louie just is like "okay and?"
My opinions on Season 2 are the same. When I first saw it the ending infuriated me so much but after I read the manga I feel less salty about it, however it doesn’t change my opinion that Season 1 was better.One of my biggest problems was Riz’s reveal as the killer. It would’ve been more impactful if we actually got to know him before these events, but this is Paru Itagaki’s first series so I’ll cut her some slack. My biggest problem with Season 2 was Haru being put into the background. The story is supposed to mainly revolve around Legoshi’s relationship with her but it’s just shoved into the back burner, and it does the same in the following events after the end of Season 2. I hope for Season 3 they do some changes for that because I’d like to see more development in their relationship than what the manga did, and maybe they can work on the ending of the manga to while they’re at it because boy the ending had so many problems.
Just re-watched season 2 on a plane. I got disappointed after watching it again and reading comments like this make me feel better because i feel I can relate to people 😭
In case of Beastars, it aired on Japan on 2020, and that's when all the community and the hype around was at full force. It has been long since then, so it has died out
Actually, I remember seeing someone pull numbers when it launched on Netflix showing that the hype around Beastars jumped like 3 times higher when it launched on Netflix compared to its original run on Japan.
@@DiamondPugs If you're referring to Glass Reflection's video; that was based around google searches, as much used as Google is. I don't think that paints an accurate image of the time period of communal activity around the show
@@spritemon98 No Beastar for season two aired last year, it does take a while for an anime to be dubbed. Season two was on Japan Netflix as it was airing, but for us we have to wait for the dub, rather than getting the sub.
The 2nd season felt much more chaotic than the 1st one, and for my taste is "too anime" (the whole plot of Legoshi becoming some sort of street hero). The constant up and down in each scene with Tem's killer feel oddly paced. And for Twitter - just don't use it, the majority on there is just nuts
I absolutely agree with this. I liked the story better when it was mostly a coming of age story focusing on the school, and now it's kind of going off the rails losing it's identity.
my favorite scene of the entire show is definitely the stage fight, with Bill and Legoshi. It wasn't needlessly violent, but the chilling moment where Bills claws embedded in Legoshis back, away from the rest of the stage, was something to remember. Now, watching the street fighting, it feels strangely underwhelming. It feels like it was relying on it too much towards the end, since we had about three action sequences with three different stories more or less next ti eachother
[SPOILERS ABOUT MY GIANT OPINION] Finally a place where I can talk about this!! I agree with most of the things you said I liked this season a lot! But definitely not as much as the first one I called out that Riz would be the killer, and when it was revealed I didn't know if I was smart or if it was just obvious. I actually started liking Louis, which surprised me in a good way. It was so interesting to know more about the lions who had very little plot before this. It made me REALLY UPSET that Haru BARELY showed up here. She was just there for Legoshi to talk to her and almost kiss her. Almost like, not even a character anymore. Just a "romantic interest" with a bit of Legoshi x Haru fanservice, that really disappointed me. First season let out all that thing about them together and it didn't develop on this new one, I wanted to see their relationship growing but I guess I won't :/ Also felt the final fight was kinda rushed, everything happened so fast, I wasn't expecting Legoshi and Riz to fight in this season Also wtf is that snake dude ahahshhax
I thought this season was really good. I like how this season had more of a focus on Louis’ character development. I thought the ending was a bit rushed. There was a lot of things that happened that got such little time to explore. I hope it goes more in depth with the third season.
yeah it was rushed in the anime but in the manga it wasnt rushed. whoever put them to have 12 episodes in this season should be ashamed because you can see all sweat and tears of the story trying it's best to cover in 12 episodes
So I genuinely loved Season 2, I practically binge watched it which is very rare for me, it was brilliant right up until... Well the climax, I can appreciate the layered symbolism within the sacrifices that both predator and prey made but... It just felt like the entire journey of Legoshi's training was wasted because he had to do the one thing he literally spent months of training to avoid, he barely even protested the idea, despite chastising the antagonist for doing this very thing, and the worst part it didn't even matter because the Police are the ones to deliver Justice, I sat there deflated after this, honestly this ending may genuinely turn people away because of just how... polarising I feel it is, I'm still curious to see where this goes but I dunno I hope Season 3 can stick the landing better than Season 2
Yeaaaahhh it felt pretty solid until they just kinda skipped to new years and had them fight. I don't get it. I don't mind surprising boring conclusions when they are delivered right, but I felt like the last couple episodes needed another episode's worth of length so they could show us more of what was happening. I feel like the characters didn't make sense, it felt rushed.
I think they were so close to making the ending feel satisfying and they probably could have accomplished it with a few extra lines of dialogue, but it did fall a little flat for me. Like, the [spoilers, obvs] leg eating thing just sort of happened with minimal explanation of why Legoshi would do the thing he's been training himself against the whole season. However, if they had added some explanation, it would have been fine. Ex. the difference between Legoshi and Rin (and the carnivores Legoshi spends the season hunting down) isn't that Rin eats meat, but that he did it in a moment of losing control, and that it was a non-consensual act. Meanwhile Legoshi has perfect control over himself (stopping just at the leg where most carnivores could never have done that) and Louis' explicit consent because he really does make an effort to see herbivores as more than just meat. Throughout the season both he and Louis have been denying who they are as predators/prey respectively, and the finale might have felt more meaningful if it had carried the message of "this is who you are, but herbivores and carnivores can benefit and support each others' existence without denying their realities (honestly Juno and Haru and the little side stories did a better job of conveying this theme this season, which suggests this is what they were going for, they just didn't quite nail it imo)." If they'd made that difference explicit, even with just a few extra lines (god knows they had time for different dialogue when they stopped in the middle of the fight to talk for 10 minutes) I honestly think a lot more people would have liked the ending, but as it was, it seemed like a reversal of everything Legoshi & Louis accomplished throughout the season rather than a culmination of all of their efforts. (Also full agree, the police coming in at the end after the whole season was set into motion bc Legoshi couldn't involve the police was incredibly stupid)
@@Flameclaw123 You did a good job articulating that I agree that might have worked. But I kinda don't like that they suggest you eat meat you instantly get stronger. I didn't really get that impression at any point previously. I got the impression that meat made it easier to get buff for carnivores but I didn't ever get the idea that it's like popeye's spinach. 😂 I kinda wish Louie had jumped into the fight to protect Legoshi and got hurt to make his sacrifice rather than Legoshi eating his leg. It'd be more straightforward and cliche but I think it would have made more sense haha
@@K0sm1cKid Yeah I agree that the super saiyan strength felt like a bit much lmao. I guess they have hinted along those lines in the past but it never seemed like such a significant buff - at least not in the anime, idk if it's showcased this way in the manga
Legoshi is like any protagonist. He continues to learn more about the type of person he wants to be, and finds difficulty in reaching that power, but we all know you can't be a hero without some degree of power. His hesitance towards eating bugs is evident enough of why he might be bluring the lines between an reluctant hero and a willing hero. The 'Instinct' motif is quite unique due to the lines bluring between sexual and hunger instincts. His understanding of others and his compassion towards herbivores is a start, but regardless if this 'instincts' will put others in danger or risk legoshi becoming a tragic hero: Turning away from that which tempts you or causes you fear is not strength, facing it is. and strength is not just his ability to defeat a bear, or a lion mafia but rather if he can hold onto power and not be corrupted by it.
You're absolutely right, Haru takes a backseat for the rest of the manga besides like a couple of pages that aren't that important 😔 Season 2 disappointed me mostly because we didn't see alot of bonding between Ibuki and Louis. We got the music video which was great, but i would have loved to see it in the actual show.
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected. Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him. Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has. Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs. Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
And the ED for S2 really seems to emphasize the connection of Ibuki and Louis as well, which is weird. I felt they did okay, but yeah, it didn't really delve a lot into it story wise, it was more reading between the lines.
@@ToHoldNothing Yeah, I wasn't all that sad when Ibuki died, and I read the manga. I get there was this understanding between them, but like you say, I think the bond didn't go AS deep as the ED wanted us to feel it was. Up until the very end Louis was pretty cold and distant with Ibuki..So the realisation he loves Carnivores felt VERY sudden..And a little too convenient given Ibuki dies not long after. I feel that moment where Ibuki shows his tattoo should have been more impactful, show us more of Louis openly liking Ibuki rather than implying it.
@@PlanetZoidstar Some of it feels like Louis' background and how he's repressed vulnerability because that would make him feel weak and not able to have the agency he so desires. Anime only here, but they're doing the complexity well enough, even if it's under constraints of an episode length for TV seemingly (because I think it was broadcast on TV as well?)
@@ToHoldNothing I can understand Louis being emotionally repressed, but I still feel the realisation came a bit too late for the death to be as impactful as it could have been. Even if he wasn't willing to openly show he cared for Ibuki, we could have gotten more inner monologue hints he liked him before that scene. I agree the characters are plenty complex, even compared to the manga. A line the anime omitted was Louis saying Lions like Ibuki couldn't understand him because they grew up sheltered - which is why it hits Louis when he sees Ibuki almost ended up like the Caiman. I felt more for Riz when we saw his flashback to Tem's death, but I know THAT would have been a huge spoiler if that was the ED.
I did. I thought I was the only one, I mean my best friend who is nuts about the anime, hasn't even finished the manga and even I'm the one who bought him the volumes
I think less people have, I think it's more bad timing. A lot of the anime-only fans know how to access anime outside of Netflix if they are really desperate for accesa. And I don't know when Netflix dropped it, but I found out it was even there by accident. Had other stuff going on, so I neither read the Manga or accessed it outside if US Netflix. But I don't even remember getting a notification season 2 dropped.
@@kuririvera973 its worth reading, the anime cut out and added in a ton of stuff that kinda messed with the pacing a bit in the adaptation. (I don’t mind most of these though) However i’ll admit, what comes after the chapters passed season 2 may not be up to everyones tastes. Theres so much good in those later chapters though, its a mixed bag of the best, alright and worst of beastars
ahhh I read the manga and I really liked it but I was sad that Haru loses relevance in the second arc and it’s hard for me to defend that Like I get that Legosi is the main character and it’s ultimately his story but, you know, really? Haru’s thing was that she wanted to find true love but knew that her life could end at any moment, given her species. It kind of loses power when we barely see her interact with the one who is supposed to be her love
@@mramos7887 Exactly, and Haru is a HUGE part of Legosi's arc and his development. I think part of the problem is the ANIME OPs and the MARKETING make it seem the relationship between them IS the crux of the entire series. But even so Haru was VERY important in the first arc, she's on the front cover of several of the Volumes, but that only gives the impression she's more important to the story than she ends up being. I'm pretty sure she gets more Volume cover appearances than anyone after Legosi, including Louis. I feel alot of Haru's development happened offscreen too, like overcoming her instinct to climb into Legosi's mouth, that comes up ONCE and I'm pretty sure it's never brought up again. Same as with her instinct to run from him, it's not really resolved. It just stops happening.
@@js66613 Which makes me think it was pressure placed by her editor or publisher. Manga is a very male-dominated business in Japan and there are strong societal pressures to bend to authority. Especially male authority.
Every time I heard "Shishi-gami" I felt like I was getting hooked right in the face. There was a combo going, and just when I thought I got used to it, he never said it again and then I felt disappointed. Help me, I have a problem.
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected. Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him. Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has. Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs. Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
@Simple Weirdo That's true, Haru is explicitly stated to be the only Gardening Club member, hence why she ropes Legosi and later Juno into helping her. I agree they could have done something with that. Like Haru starts using her Gardening as a way to cope with Legosi's neglect, so she isn't always missing him.
As someone who has read the whole manga a few times, I too was a little let down about how little Haru was in the story. She's more of an endgoal than part of the overall plot. There's alot of times where it feels like the mangaka forgot about her.
Man I loved the manga but the ending was such a huge letdown, it felt like they publisher forced Paru to bring the manga to a close suddenly, it was so jaring. It went from action to close withing like 3 chapters still a great manga though.
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected. Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him. Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has. Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs. Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
@@nameunknown12 The weird thing is Paru says she planned on 20 volumes to tell the story she wanted to tell. She got 22. She knew how many volumes she had to plan her story out. She just didn't manage her plot and arcs well enough to have them all wrap up neatly by the end. The Melon arc dragging on as long as did is why she ran out of time to wrap things up. She should have wrapped up the Melon arc with Volume 21 and spent ALL of Volume 22 wrapping up all the loose ends.
Season 1 was some of the best setting- character interaction I've ever seen. It was also pushing boundaries hard. S2 had none of that and the plot went spinning around the bowl as it were
I enjoyed half of the season. It felt downhill after the snake episode. She didnt even appear after that! I loved the plot line of Legoshi learning to overcome his instinct and learn that a carnivore doesnt need meat to be strong. But then he has to eat meat to defeat the bear?? Felt like that threw what Legoshi did out of the window. And then he had some weird dragon ball power up?? He didnt even digest the meat, he just ate some.
Idk how it is in the manga, but yeah, I felt kind of sick at the last episode, but I guess is my fault that I see them as more human than animal, and the whole moth spiritual thing and Ris monologues about his true connection with Tem and then eating part of Loui just felt wrong all the way to me, after I saw people's review and explanation online I see it wasn't as "eating your friends is good :3" as it felt when I was watching, but still fells wrong, what are your thoughts?
Well, it’s already established that drinking blood is like doing steroids for predators. I assume eating meat does the same thing, like throws them into a frenzy.
@@The1nvisibleJeevas Yeah but the way he immediately packed on the muscle was more than just a rush, it seemed like his body had broken down and reassembled the protein too quickly
Personally I felt like Beastars season 2 felt kinda underwhelming. I guess this is more of a calm before the storm season. I still enjoy the series as a whole but yeah hoping s3 is better 🤞🏼
Most anime/manga do stuff like that, season 1/the first book is slow and has to world build and introduce characters while the second season prepares the plot that will drive the series. Unless it's berserk where shit hits the fan in the literal first panal.
I love the Show, can’t what for Season 3. Can’t wait to get more of the Manga. The First Season was 5 and a half of Volume 6. Season 2 is the last half of Volume 6-Beginning of Volume 12.
Season two is just that meme of that one woman screaming “YOU ARE GAY!” Like the entire season is just most of the men trying to get in each other’s pants lol
There was SO much gay in season 2. All the different relationships that were explored were really cute, and probably the only compelling part of the season
*SPOILERS* The second season was enjoyable. Very different from the first. My partner and I don't get why 6Eyes was introduced as such a big plot driver, never to be brought up again... And how the counsel wanted the next Beastar to be whomever apprehend the devourer....only to not bring it up when the devourer was caught. We hope this is cleared up in season 3...
Yeees I was also sad when the snake lady had so little screen time along with the fact that nothing happened when Riz was caught and all we were told was that he had been arrested for devouring and that was the end of Riz (well for now at least) 😕
You gotta point on the second part, and tbh the final Legoshi vs Riz fight was underwhelming at the end, I know it isn't possible for a wolf to knockout a bear but come on. I feel like the second fight when they were fighting in the bathroom wad way more intense, because at least Legoshi did actual damage to Riz...
Personally I disagree and love the scene. It really showed the bond between those two characters and in a way, Louis being freed from the literal mark of his past. I feel like the scene felt way too short. Like in 3 ish minutes it goes from Louis arriving to him cheering back without his foot 😂
Saber, I would absolutely be down for listening to you talk about this series for an hour. I haven't even watched it yet but your excitement is contagious.
Not me. I'm a very casual anime watcher these days actually and I tend to ignore manga entirely. So I was happy to see the second season on Netflix when it came out but my thoughts were... meh, it's good but the first one was better. Maybe they should try another season of BNA next.
haru had such amazing potential with her reasoning for sleeping around and how legoshi made her feel so respected and equal. it was disappointing to see her arc get smushed down to being a motivation for legoshi n that's pretty much it now. other than that tho i loved season 2, i enjoyed seeing more side characters get the spotlight and i especially loved louis and ibuki's father son relationship.
I quite enjoyed season 2 especially library scene with haru, and legoshi speaks of marriage. What made it much funnier was the student who tripped when he said it.
I can highly recommend you check out the videos of Kamui Miracle for good discussions on Beastars. The thing that bugged me about season 2 was removing all references to Legoshi's grandfather. They didn't even tease any of it.
Yes yes i've been waiting for this review Saberspark, and i just knew you would use Juno for the thumbnail just as i predicted in the comments of one of your previous videos!!!
It´s so weird seeing a series where the strongest part it´s on the beggining, and gradually goes worse as it´s goes on. A lot of it it´s due to the way Paru works, in one of her extras she said that the thought process is normally: She get´s and idea that she wants to implemented in the story, Legoshi has a part on it, and the rest just happens. The focuse shifts so much from arc to arc that we never get a proper conclusion to any of the ideas presented.
I think it's the same problem with some American TV shows, where they buy the entire series because of a good pilot episode. It sort of compels the writers to keep writing the same story for money, even if they haven't actually thought about how things would proceed past a certain point.
I think the buzz was so quiet now was because by the time it was put on Netflix most people (including myself) had already watched it about 6 months ago when it was airing on tv
Now im gonna be honest, i love every character of beastars, everyone has depth, characteristics that make them different, i love it but Haru in season 2 and the end of season 1 was kinda a shell of a character that i just didn't like, there was something about her that just made her seem 2D
@@scapegoatmiller9110 what im more upset about is that i would prefer Juno as legosi's love interest since haru just feels like such a background character
I had to finish season 2 before I watched this video, I'm late. Dr. Panda is my favorite character, and this show is phenomenal. The lion pride being a mafia is just such an awesome idea. I can't wait for season 3 to come out.
I think that a lot of people are missing the point of Beastars. Beastars isn't a romance story. Romance is part of it, but Beastars is primarily focused on social commentary and analysis of the human condition. Legoshi and Haru's relationship is in service to THAT narrative, not the other way around. That's why there's not a whole lot of focus on it in the latter parts of the story. Legoshi's relationship with Haru is what pushes him to learn more about how his society works and how he's going to fit into it and change it, which is the true narrative. Personal growth and understanding trumps the romance, which is not only refreshing, but interesting to watch. Something else: people say that Legoshi eating Louis's foot ruins his character arc and I disagree. Legoshi's character arc wasn't about not eating meat, it was about respecting and understanding the weight of life, as was explained in his interaction with the moth. When Louis offers Legoshi his flesh, Legoshi's character arc has led to him understanding that Louis is offering him his own life force, the *future potential* of his flesh. Legoshi understands that weight because of his training and is able to confront someone who doesn't have that same understanding.
I totally agree with everything you said. It's unfortunate that our society today can't get past the romantic relationships between characters. There's nothing wrong with relationships, of course, but it does not have to be the centre of every story. I enjoyed season 2 for the character development and the exploration by Legoshi and Louis about the philosophies behind the consumption of flesh.
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected. Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him. Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has. Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs. Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
I honestly dont get the hate this series is getting for post Season One; like, what more do you need from the Haru and Legoshi arch? we already covered what was important, and the way the story goes, I honestly am SOOOO stoked for the Melon arch, and the introduction of Gosha and the current Beastar 😍
@@gabrielleharrington8234 I don't hate Season 2, I just would have liked their relationship to actually progress. Like have them actually sit down and talk out their problems, and work to get past them. Instead we get Haru doing a whole lot of nothing all season and Legosi keeps ghosting her and not telling her what's going on. They're back where they started and they've made no progress as a couple since Season 1 ended. I am looking forward to the Melon arc but I hear it drags on quite alot and Haru becomes even more irrelevant. She was so important to Season 1 and she had more agency and involvement then. For a main character it feels the longer the story goes, the less she matters to it.
I watched it back when it was releasing weekly in Japan, it feels like Netflix jail is hurting this show for the western audience, but I dunno, I think the model actually works for them or something, so there's little to no reason for them to shift. Centaurworld is Amazing & I can't wait for S2, also can't wait for S3 of Beastars.
Doesn't hurt us, we just pirate it. I make up for it by buying the manga. Not gonna wait months for something they'll probably censor when they finally distribute it here
I absolutely loved this season. The fight scenes were fantastic, and I can tell people don't enjoy Haru being in the background but I honestly didn't mind. One scene was enough to make me cry, which is rare for anime! I hope I'm not the only one who really liked this season.
I still can’t believe I waited so long for this season and the almost literal minute it came out. (I woke up at like 1) and stayed up until like 9 watching until completion. I think like 2 years of waiting for 8 hours. Worth it
I was counting down the days for season 2 and while I did enjoy it...I did feel a little bit disappointed with some things especially with Haru barely being in it, and I don't know is it just me or did it feel rushed? My biggest complaint though, spoilers, is the fight at the end its teased that Legoshi and Riz were going to pretty much destroy each other because of how strong they are. The fights get interrupted multiple times, but the kicker for me is Legoshi trained and fought so hard to fight his instincts not to eat meat and it just goes to waste for the sake of like, 5 seconds? Was I missing something?? Might have to give the manga a read sometime. Keep up the great work Saberspark!
legosi eating louis's foot was crucial for both characters because for louis it was a way to be freed from the curse of the tattoo on his foot. for legosi he wanted his first and last time eating meat to be for the sake of justice, unlike riz who ate meat because of his instincts
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected. Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him. Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has. Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs. Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
Super disappointed that Haru wasn't featured as much this season! Maybe I was too caught up in the romantic aspect of this show haha, but I feel like her role would be more significant since she's the catalyst of Leogsi's emotional journey. Don't get me wrong, I love how Legosi is becoming more heightened as a character and is really trying to take action towards his goal of protecting the weak, I just feel like Haru should have been more involved since she's the person who sparked this passion in Legosi in the first place.
Another complaint I had was the lack of stop-motion OP. The opening for season 1 was one of my favorites in all of anime and was disappointed when the opening for season 2 wasn't another stop-motion
The lack of talk about Beastars is undoubtably due to Netflix's misguided distribution and marketing model, especially with anime. They hoard the whole series until months after it finished airing in japan, then basically buried the release under the mountain of other stuff they put out, and do the bare minimum of marketing for it.
I thought they just didnt reales it until all the language dubs are done?
In general, I think their marketing is weird. Not just for anime. WIsh Dragon and Vivo from Sony were swept under the rug too. I literally saw no advertising before the release for both of those movies. Heck, even Mitchells vs. the Machines didn't have that much advertisement. This of course could be an issue that is caused by Sony but I highly doubt it
This. Netflix seems to hate the anime it hosts for some reason. I didn't even know season 2 was out until people started posting clips of it on youtube. Frankly, if it's not published/produced by Netflix itself, it gets swept under the rug like NO NO said.
Possible 2nd reason: furri
Wait season two is out!?
People aren't talking about season 2 because they've already pirated it months ago to avoid spoilers :'D
Exactly 😅 I watched it with subtitles and when it came in French on Netflix I didn’t really care since I have the mangas and had see the animated scene already
I swear, Netflix jail is stupid.
Someone should really just shout to the world that you shouldn't spoil stuff in thumbnails and titles of UA-cam videos. I have had so many things that happened in season 2 spoiled for me. I went through watching like, "Wow, this would have been a great reveal, except for the fact that I already knew it was going to happen," or, in some cases, "Wow, I might have laughed at this if I didn't already know it was going to happen."
Sadly we won't get season three, because they will think it flopped.
I waited 5 months to wait for season two to come out in English just to wait for Jonah Scott's voice in a show again. It was worth it.
Snake lady: “I am the security guard of the school that sees everything”
*Killer admits to crime within the school multiple times and fights with wolf boy in shower*
Snake lady is gone
Snake Lady is the most underrated character in my opinion
I feel snake lady watched and decided to let Legoshi decide what to do with him completely lol
Kinda funny the security guard would let a kid decide the verdict of a murderer tho lol
@@demi9441 yeah almost like shes not a great character for not doing her job
AKA; snake girl that never shows up again
@@hueylong7989 Doing your job isn't a requirement for a good character... what are you on about? (not saying she's a good character, but your logic is bad)
I think the reason people aren't talking about Season 2 of Beastars is simply because due to the success of the first season people went out nad bought the Manga which was several volumes in already, way ahead of the anime. So it could be people aren't talking about the anime because they already experienced the story from reading the Manga and so the anime doesn't hit as hard since they already experienced the plot. Where as with Season 1 the majority of people hadn't even herd of the Manga yet so we're experiencing the story first through the anime.
It also had to do with timing. Beastars season 1 was right around when the 'Rona started to keep everyone inside & had to find something to fill time.
Also the 2nd season was rushed af, legit not really worth it.
Adding to that, if they are anything like me, they could possible be less interested cause they've seen how it ends and, unfortunately its not good. S3 was confirmed recently and if its just gonna follow the Manga then I really wouldn't have much interest in it.
Also Netflix Jail. I think it took more time to be released on Netflix than S1.
@@ZombiedWolf That's what killed my entire interest in the series. I did read ahead, and have done so plenty of on-going series with manga (MHA for example) typically that just gets my excited to see the manga animated, except when the manga ends up being bad or going sharply down in terms of quality. The arcs following the resolution of the murderer on campus arc, the series just goes in such a 180 direction IMO (in very much the same way/manner as MHA actually as that's another series I've dropped due to decline IMO of the manga's story) that, to me, it becomes an entirely different kind of story/narrative/genre even.
When you build something up to have one major setting and focus, and then dump that in favor of an entirely different one, of course some people are gonna drop the series/lose interest.
I love the character designs because they weren't cowards and gave us actual animal girls, instead of just gluing animal ears into female characters, and maybe a tail if they're feeling adventurous.
Animal girls best girls.
Furries
Furry anime guys: All fur, anthro, muscular, animal traits and features
Furry anime girls: No fur, pretty much just humans with animal ears sticking out of their hair, and maybe a tail
@@TheHuskyK9 Seton Academy?
Ye. Beastars finally did "animal girls" right
Let's hope Orange Studios improves on some of the issues the manga had
I cant escape you 😫
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Like?
Do you have any examples?
@Bacon Pancakes the terrible ending, the pacing, etc
Saber should also read "Beast Complex" it's a spin-off made by the same author in the same universe. Except it deals more with the world and is less action-oriented more story-driven with some deep dive with side characters from Beastars, even Legosi and Haru make an appearance in some chapters.
Indeed. That's a good read to learn more things about their world.
A new chapter was released this week in Japan. There is a small cameo of Legosi and Haru.
Oh YES! Those are good side stories and even bring back side characters from the beastars series.
Now i would love a Beast Complex anime. I love Beastars but the ending was such a let down!
Thats definetly something I'd love to watch. Just did a comment saying they should make an OVA season with just worldbuilding and side characters even if I didnt knew this ever existed LOL.
Hoping it comes out in anime form.
Pro: Overall great show & interesting characters.
Con: not meeting the only security guard until season 2 then never bringing details of killer to her made her character pointless
I can't stop thinking about how she was just there to give Legoshi more push to find the killer but SHE had no follow up.
She must really be part time!
For what it is worth, that's how it was in the manga. So it's not an issue with just the anime.
Yeah that made absolutely no sense at all. She literally showed up out of nowhere and told him to do what he was already doing and then never showed back up. Legoshi never even mentioned her after the fact either. They really should have just cut her out completely because she had no purpose
Yeah! I forgot she was even there.
Pro: We didn't see her again.
My favorite part was when the leopard and the sheep went shopping together.
That really was a good scene
That sequence was really cute
Yeah
Aw sheila and peach
It’s one of my favorite scenes because it’s quite a contrast to the rest of the TV show. The rest of the TV show is really crazy and then seeing this calm atmosphere is very refreshing
He didn’t say, “I’m not a furry”…
Remember that…
he had merchandise that says I'm not a furry
@@edizgunes the Click needs that too
@@edizgunes the fact that he needs to say it means he IS ONE.
@@WolfgangDoW he is a furry
Is your pfp a ferret
1:12 "I did something really bad"
who else thought he made a fursona?
COULDN'T have just me dude! lol
I thought he made a beastars oc too lmao
Reject humanity
Return to furr
No he is denying the truth for so long in a painful way
@@wastelandlegocheem No, Return To The Monke.
@@melisanasrullah361 same difference
*”Haru took a backseat this season…”*
Juno: “Am I a joke to you?”
@Skott LeFever To be fair, that's as much as Six Eyes shows up in the manga.
To be fair, Juno was never a main character. There were a _lot_ of side characters that didn't get seen much later in the manga, Juno just happened to be one of them
@@The328th Not to mention she kind of just served as a simp for Legoshi.
I mean... kinda?
Haru gang
I feel like the issue with season 2 is mostly the pacing. The arc they cover is longer than should have really been done in the length of time they had. I think this comes out especially in Louis' story. Don't get me wrong I understand why they covered what they did with the season it would have felt incomplete if they hadn't finished where they did, the final fight with Riz. I wish they'd gotten like maybe 3 or 4 more episodes for this season to flesh it all out better but I was still super happy with the second season overall.
I agree with you. I feel like this season needed more than 12 episodes to feel more complete. I hope the next season does more than 12, even if it will take longer to come out.
@@APPictures9 I don't think there Will be a season 3
@@Peachesdemon It was actually announced by Netflix and Studio Orange on July 20th.
@@APPictures9 I remember they, (Oh yea SPOILERS) somewhere, I'd have to find it, they didn't show the scene with Legoshi's grandpa like they did in the comics during the fight with Riz primarily because they weren't sure if a season 3 was going to take place. I'm curious how they're gonna do with the next season and if they're going to do the Melon ark in 1 or 2 seasons, I think the melon ark needs at least 2.
I agree! Second season definitely felt a bit rushed to me, like it needed just a bit more time to flesh out things. Also still really enjoyed what we got tho!
Lowkey wished you made a whole essay cause I like listening to you ramble :,)
Yeah, me too!
Same
Facts
ua-cam.com/video/skEFHMpG8sI/v-deo.html
Imagine how easy getting an A+ would be if essays were equivalent to rambling ....
I really liked this season, especially the mystery with Tem’s killer. However I don’t think it was as good as S1 cuz haru got pushed to the side, and the initial thing that drew a lot of ppl in was HOLY SHIT THE WOLF WANTS TO FUCK THE RABBIT
I couldn’t agree more. The first season didn’t focus on the murder as much as the second
Tbh I’m glad Haru was put aside but that is probably cause I don’t like her character ;-;
in the manga haru just dissapears at some point. like the whole second arc almost never includes her and she's such a big part og legoshi's beliefs. so when i watched the second season i was so glad they didn't just completely take her out. so yeah, if you compare anime and manga in the anime there's a lot of her.
@@shmeblya so basically the manga really is kinda worse than the anime regarding Haru huh? Daym. And they're still calling this a masterpiece?
I mean get that Haru ain't the showrunner but CMON at least develop her with Legoshi already
It turned into, “HOLY SHIT THE DEER WANTS TO FUCK THE WOLF”
I just love seeing Legoshi and Louis on screen at the same time. I liked how they interacted, and I like how Louis slowly starts warming up to Legoshi.
Also, when Pina showed up and shared screen time with Legoshi, I expected people to ship them.
my favourite moment is when legoshi is happy seeing louis and then starts wagging his tail
@@skullcullbonez_ That was a sweet moment.
Same :D
Let’s be honest Legoshi and Louis have more chemistry together than both Haru and Juno combined.
@@andrewsanusi8462 They really did though in this season
Okay, Juno's little dance was the most amazing part of the whole season.
What tf is with all these links?!
i know you from r/beastars
@@z0py Me?
@@APPictures9 No clue
@@z0py Same!
I can see how people ship Louie with Legosi, considering he replaced Haru's importance as the show and Manga goes on
That and even his own father inquiring about it-
bro, i read the manga as well, I swear to god, if you get rid of haru, and told me that this is a gay romance manga. I without a doubt will believe that lmao
Bro in the english subs Louis litterally says he has to go save the guy he loves (talking about Legoshi) and I'm so mad they weren't canon
Haru literally became a background character and when Legoshi and Haru interact, they bicker so it's no wonder people started to prefer LegoshixLouis
@@charlotteroussel-daudelin5194 I mean he says "a very important person to me", I think. Just the typical borderline gay scenes of shouen (though other parts do go over that border imo.)
I actually enjoy the direction the second season went, I haven't read the manga at all so I very much was surprised by all the plot corners. The reveal that Louis was alive, at the start really got me, and then the sacrifice at the end, I was legitimately worried that Legosi stooped to the bear's level. Honestly I enjoyed it a lot for the character development and soul searching that Legosi went through. Yes Haru definitely could have used more screen time and been more active but I feel like the distance between the characters is necessary. It fits the whole idea of them trying to figure themselves out so that they can move forward with a relationship with as little difficulty/ shed blood as possible. So as I don't have any foresight in the plot, I think it would be kind of funny having Louis come back to the school with a prosthetic and with a "interesting" inside joke he makes snide remarks on.
you should read the manga! the next two arcs are a bit different than the rest but it's still worth it!
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected.
Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him.
Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has.
Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs.
Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
@@PlanetZoidstar Exactly my thoughts, she doesn’t need screen time with Lugosi, but time to work on herself too. And the underlying meaning of her doing that (sometimes the girl needs to fix themselves to,) is something I think that should be said. Especially with the type of story this is.
well.....technically his father thinks he's uh........*gay* but that is more of the inside joke of the fanbase because well......louis giving up his leg to a guy sounds *pretty gay*.
@@alexanderglass2057 So true. Hell we know Haru is still being bullied - that could have been followed up on since we are TOLD Haru is being bullied but we don't SEE it. We get closure that she's not sleeping around anymore, but her bullying isn't resolved. Like you said Haru could have had some time to work on herself since Legosi isn't around.
The Manga did disappoint me, especially how it ended. The characters are so well made, the world is so intriguing, the story is compelling. It has so much potential. I enjoyed the first season more because I didn't know about the Manga. I know what happens now, so it wasn't as much as a shock for me in season 2. My favorite scene was when Legosi dressed up as a lady and approached Louis in the bar. That was hilarious to see animated.
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I think a good 90% of the reason why the last arc sucked so bad, was that Paru clearly rushed herself with the bullshit artificial “it will end on chapter 200!!!” Because she was still world-building, adding and dumping new characters and concepts until the end. I understand burn out, and wanting the series to be over already, but she’s starting a new manga now, and also kept doing beast compex?? I don’t understand why she just didn’t just take a break from writing beastars, I would’ve preferred that, and getting a better final arc, rather than whatever the hell happened.
@@lemonmouth7895 oh man that whole end was a trainwreck. I was especially mad at how she tanked Juno's relationship with Louis. They deserved better
@@SpectacleSpectacular that’s what the other 10% was for, the ending we got was plain bad, and forced. Like how (spoilers)
Yahya and Melon were mortally wounded, yet still live for a happy ending. We also don’t know WHO THE NEW FUCKING BEASTAR IS, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS THE ENTIRE DRIVING PLOT OF THE FUCKING SERIES.
@@SpectacleSpectacular i was happy that juno didnt end with louis
You should have mentioned some key points here: Season 2 left out substantial scenes like how Legoshi met Jack, as well as Legoshi's relationship with his grandpa. Season 1 was more faithful, despite omitting material like the glimpse of Rokume the snake, or Louis pulling a gun on Bill. I felt season 2 really rushed the ending and made it unsatisfying, which unfortunately is how the entire manga ends.
Beastars takes place in an engrossing world, with captivating characters and relationships, and plenty of potential to be had. However, that potential tends to be squandered by poor writing, throwaway material, and lack of foresight. There is simply too many issues to be acceptable. But like I said, Beastars is strangely captivating. I still love it despite its glaring flaws and missed opportunities. There is something special about these animal characters and the struggles they have to go through in this overly conflicting world Paru Itagaki created. No ending, no matter how unsatisfying, will ever take away fr
no truer words than that last sentence.
amazing show, pretty lame ending
Since the manga is finished, overall I feel like Paru really struck gold with the characters and their dynamics
Everything else is kind of underwhelming, but she nailed this one aspect almost perfectly and you can tell.
I assume due to the changes in Season 2 material (setting up and foreshadowing later stuff), they're saving it for Season 3 so they'll have enough material for the 3rd Arc to fill all of season 3 (probably ending on Lego and Haru's date), since that's when the material is a lot more relevant as well.
Well said my friend.
Dang it should be you having said the closing remarks on this vid hot dang
oh my god saber you dont even say "im not a furry" anymore
Bruh I’m first furry lol 😂
OwO
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He has accepted he is. And now. I feel ashamed to say this. I think i am becoming into one as well
@@wolfenden9805 Don't know if you'll get the reference but Gooble gobble! Gooble gobble! One of us! One of us!
I wish there was more clues to the Riz reveal. Guy doesn’t even have lines until the episodes he gets accused
That's how life is, it's often the quiet ones that do the deed.
I feel like the reason why the lack of conversation around beastars is how the story's subbed and dubbed viewers were essentially seeing the shows in two very separate times. As a result less people are talking about it cuz the viewers are essentially halved due to the release schedules. Instead of a huge amount of people hyped for the same show at once, you get two separate groups of people watching at different times. I remembered watching this show last year and a lot of subbed watchers can't make content around it because it might spoil dubbed fans. And now that it's been almost a year I think since its airing the hype is pretty much gone. This is on top of the fact that there's barely any marketing around it.
was not aware the second season had come out until my "sreason 2 beasters" alarm had went off. I had forgotten about the alarm, and the season, entirely
I also think they definitely missed the mark in terms of Haru’s character. I was so angry that their A-plot romance got knocked down to E- or F-plot, especially since that’s the thing that got me invested in the show in the first place
if you read the manga or in the future when the anime has covered all of the manga you should read beast complex! it's a spin-off which focuses on the characters and their stories! also theirs a chapter on legosi and haru after the events of the manga!
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected.
Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him.
Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has.
Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs.
Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
That's mainly due to the season 2 being rushed. There was suppose to be more of season 2 especially with the ending which they skipped over so much that would help well "bring back" the plot with legosi and haru issues with relationships.
tbh this was pretty much how it was in the manga. But the way Haru's character was treated as the manga went on is on a long list of many many bad writing choices made. I personally think the manga's story devolved into a total dumpster fire. But it's apparently getting a third season?
@@MackMyWorld Possibly. I mean I' reading the manga and I don't recall there being any scenes Season 2 skipped over, even if the ending was rushed, the main bulk of the season seriously neglected their relationship. It's argubably worse in the manga since those scenes the anime omitted result in their relationship scenes being stretched even further apart.
I am reading through the manga now and I am up to the point where Legosi is about to eat Louis' leg, so I hope the chapters leading into the next arc do some serious catching up to bring their relationship back to the fore.
The reason season 2 didn't generate as much hype once it reached Netflix is that most people had already watched it before it got there through other sources. Most of the buzz came when the series was first premiering and a lot of people were just watching it with fansubs it seems. Because of this, a lot of people must have not been very interested once it finally got on Netflix since they had experienced it already.
Basically, Netflix Jail ruins everything.
I would have released the dub st least a month or so after the original sub
For real, I went and binged the manga right after so when season 2 was announced for the show I thought "what's the rush, I can't wait til it gets to Netflix now"
They should have released everything at once. subs suck in my opy and I would not have watched that if Subs were my only option.
@@joshroehl6098 Gave it a thumbs down just for spamming.
Gotta give credit for saying you like Haru. When I try and look up fan content of the show, I see a lot of Haru hate for getting "in-between" Legoshi and Louie.
I'm not a huge fan of Haru, but only because her character was made very shallow outside of "sexual bunny" "I'm an herbivore with potential carnivore boyfriend" "I get bullied a lot", and "I'm not just my stereotypes." I do wish she would have gotten more development in Season 2, but I also get why she didn't. There's also not a whole lot to do with her the way she ended on Season 1 without defying her development in the first season or being a generic conflicted love-interest and damsel in distress. She's the wrong character for the more intense stuff that happens in Season 2. I think she could have shown up a bit more, though, even if just for solo scenes or the like. I hate ships and think they're silly and nonsensical, I just don't care for her because she was done dirty by character development and turned out rather bland because of it, despite having a lot of potential. From what I've read this never really gets much better so I'm not holding my breath there.
I dont hate Haru or anything but well.... she did kinda become a background character for pretty much the rest of the Story and LegoshixHaru became less engaging compared to the first season. And if the two interact, they dont communicate but bicker the whole time :/
Ik and I find it really annoying like when ppl try to ship characters so badly. They be desperate sometimes and just downplay a character like that 😂😂
I liked s1 for those moments where he almost snapped but didn't, it made the awkward conversations and interactions feel more impactful as well as genuinely made me fear for Haru's life. They didn't really want to go that direction for s2 cause it would essentially retcon Legoshi's character development but in return, it lost the vague horror aspect and replaced it with action.
Actually yes and no. They didnt replace the horror aspect that's more of it being transferred to the antagonist of the story. Literally the bear almost killed him and imagine if he did. That would prove a point that riz would be right. Riz is what legoshi would of become if he failed to keep his instincts in season 1.
@@MackMyWorld I hadn't thought about it like that. So maybe it's not that it lost the horror aspect, but lost the suspense because we already knew what was going to happen. They weren't going to kill off one of the main characters so soon, and the herbivore was already dead by s2.
@@stellart5664 uh well they killed ibuki off. Pina would of potentially be also dead. We got to remember that riz was planning on killing both pina and legoshi. It's more of the lines of suspense of riz's really corrupted thoughts and how he slowly turns to madness over the denial of what he has done. The anime doesnt do justice on what the manga has done because it was hugely rushed. There were more scenes with louis being the leader of the shishigumi which dives deeper in the back alley market and has many development between louis and ibuki.
I love when this show shines a light on peripheral characters! I didn't see you mention it here, but I adored when the cheetah (Sheila?) had her little friend-date with the sheep and talked a bit about how she didn't feel pretty enough for Instagram/Facebook/etc. It might have been through the lens of "because I'm a carnivore", but I definitely related to her feeling like the "ugly friend" in that narrative, and it shone a light again on some of the more grounded, ordinary experiences in the world.
It was the posts WITH herbivores and carnivores that were getting attention. If it was just carnivores not so much. And yes the commentary about the problems with their respective fur was interesting.
Honestly that was my favorite part of s2. I didn't care for the season as a whole but specific parts and scenes were really well done.
What’s funny is that my mom was indeed talking about Beastars.
“You never told me how the Beastars manga ended” quoted from my mom
Headcanon: Pina represents Pan, the Greek god of the satyrs (half man, half goat) and fertility, who was known to drink and be mega thirsty
Pina just has a certain playful, flamboyant, and carefree personality that just reminds me so much of a fae or a pagan god
All of his character traits made me hate him more and I was rooting for him to finally die, still no idea why he was given so much screentime
@@spritemon98 he is loved by most of the fan base, though the manga makes his character more understandable
@@mollytheyorkie-poo7514 the anime did nothing to improve his image. No idea why everyone likes a playboy
@@spritemon98 read the manga then...
What would that make Riz?
Shaved Legoshi is a blessing and a curse at the same time.
Sup. Uwu
I disagree
Fully a blessing
Here’s a beastars Easter egg for y’all:
Can’t rlly remember what episode it was in season two, but in this one scene melon is actually shown riding the same subway as legoshi!
Don’t know if anyone else knew bout it, but just thought I’d point it out ^^
wait who now?
@@Toadthefungi manga spoiler dw about it. if season three ever gets out, you'll know him
My favorite part of season 2 was when louie was in the black market and everyone was like "your a herbivore in the black market" and louie just is like "okay and?"
I can’t get enough of beastars, and in particular the characters, I feel like the English dubs really do it justice
Normally I hate dubs. But they did a great job with this.
@@mzcyberbat I agree Jonah, and the rest of them bring so much life to the characters
Can I have what you're smoking
@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 you seriously don’t like the dub? 😶
@@Harew0lf they still believe that dub = instantly bad
My opinions on Season 2 are the same. When I first saw it the ending infuriated me so much but after I read the manga I feel less salty about it, however it doesn’t change my opinion that Season 1 was better.One of my biggest problems was Riz’s reveal as the killer. It would’ve been more impactful if we actually got to know him before these events, but this is Paru Itagaki’s first series so I’ll cut her some slack. My biggest problem with Season 2 was Haru being put into the background. The story is supposed to mainly revolve around Legoshi’s relationship with her but it’s just shoved into the back burner, and it does the same in the following events after the end of Season 2. I hope for Season 3 they do some changes for that because I’d like to see more development in their relationship than what the manga did, and maybe they can work on the ending of the manga to while they’re at it because boy the ending had so many problems.
Just re-watched season 2 on a plane. I got disappointed after watching it again and reading comments like this make me feel better because i feel I can relate to people 😭
In case of Beastars, it aired on Japan on 2020, and that's when all the community and the hype around was at full force. It has been long since then, so it has died out
Actually, I remember seeing someone pull numbers when it launched on Netflix showing that the hype around Beastars jumped like 3 times higher when it launched on Netflix compared to its original run on Japan.
@@DiamondPugs If you're referring to Glass Reflection's video; that was based around google searches, as much used as Google is. I don't think that paints an accurate image of the time period of communal activity around the show
I thought season 2 aired this year
@@spritemon98 No Beastar for season two aired last year, it does take a while for an anime to be dubbed. Season two was on Japan Netflix as it was airing, but for us we have to wait for the dub, rather than getting the sub.
@@toastymarshh5159 holy hell... no wonder
The 2nd season felt much more chaotic than the 1st one, and for my taste is "too anime" (the whole plot of Legoshi becoming some sort of street hero). The constant up and down in each scene with Tem's killer feel oddly paced.
And for Twitter - just don't use it, the majority on there is just nuts
I absolutely agree with this. I liked the story better when it was mostly a coming of age story focusing on the school, and now it's kind of going off the rails losing it's identity.
my favorite scene of the entire show is definitely the stage fight, with Bill and Legoshi. It wasn't needlessly violent, but the chilling moment where Bills claws embedded in Legoshis back, away from the rest of the stage, was something to remember.
Now, watching the street fighting, it feels strangely underwhelming. It feels like it was relying on it too much towards the end, since we had about three action sequences with three different stories more or less next ti eachother
[SPOILERS ABOUT MY GIANT OPINION]
Finally a place where I can talk about this!!
I agree with most of the things you said
I liked this season a lot! But definitely not as much as the first one
I called out that Riz would be the killer, and when it was revealed I didn't know if I was smart or if it was just obvious.
I actually started liking Louis, which surprised me in a good way. It was so interesting to know more about the lions who had very little plot before this.
It made me REALLY UPSET that Haru BARELY showed up here. She was just there for Legoshi to talk to her and almost kiss her. Almost like, not even a character anymore. Just a "romantic interest" with a bit of Legoshi x Haru fanservice, that really disappointed me. First season let out all that thing about them together and it didn't develop on this new one, I wanted to see their relationship growing but I guess I won't :/
Also felt the final fight was kinda rushed, everything happened so fast, I wasn't expecting Legoshi and Riz to fight in this season
Also wtf is that snake dude ahahshhax
Six Eyes is Female.
I thought this season was really good. I like how this season had more of a focus on Louis’ character development. I thought the ending was a bit rushed. There was a lot of things that happened that got such little time to explore. I hope it goes more in depth with the third season.
yeah it was rushed in the anime but in the manga it wasnt rushed. whoever put them to have 12 episodes in this season should be ashamed because you can see all sweat and tears of the story trying it's best to cover in 12 episodes
So I genuinely loved Season 2, I practically binge watched it which is very rare for me, it was brilliant right up until... Well the climax, I can appreciate the layered symbolism within the sacrifices that both predator and prey made but... It just felt like the entire journey of Legoshi's training was wasted because he had to do the one thing he literally spent months of training to avoid, he barely even protested the idea, despite chastising the antagonist for doing this very thing, and the worst part it didn't even matter because the Police are the ones to deliver Justice, I sat there deflated after this, honestly this ending may genuinely turn people away because of just how... polarising I feel it is, I'm still curious to see where this goes but I dunno I hope Season 3 can stick the landing better than Season 2
Yeaaaahhh it felt pretty solid until they just kinda skipped to new years and had them fight. I don't get it. I don't mind surprising boring conclusions when they are delivered right, but I felt like the last couple episodes needed another episode's worth of length so they could show us more of what was happening. I feel like the characters didn't make sense, it felt rushed.
I think they were so close to making the ending feel satisfying and they probably could have accomplished it with a few extra lines of dialogue, but it did fall a little flat for me. Like, the [spoilers, obvs] leg eating thing just sort of happened with minimal explanation of why Legoshi would do the thing he's been training himself against the whole season. However, if they had added some explanation, it would have been fine. Ex. the difference between Legoshi and Rin (and the carnivores Legoshi spends the season hunting down) isn't that Rin eats meat, but that he did it in a moment of losing control, and that it was a non-consensual act. Meanwhile Legoshi has perfect control over himself (stopping just at the leg where most carnivores could never have done that) and Louis' explicit consent because he really does make an effort to see herbivores as more than just meat. Throughout the season both he and Louis have been denying who they are as predators/prey respectively, and the finale might have felt more meaningful if it had carried the message of "this is who you are, but herbivores and carnivores can benefit and support each others' existence without denying their realities (honestly Juno and Haru and the little side stories did a better job of conveying this theme this season, which suggests this is what they were going for, they just didn't quite nail it imo)." If they'd made that difference explicit, even with just a few extra lines (god knows they had time for different dialogue when they stopped in the middle of the fight to talk for 10 minutes) I honestly think a lot more people would have liked the ending, but as it was, it seemed like a reversal of everything Legoshi & Louis accomplished throughout the season rather than a culmination of all of their efforts.
(Also full agree, the police coming in at the end after the whole season was set into motion bc Legoshi couldn't involve the police was incredibly stupid)
@@Flameclaw123 You did a good job articulating that I agree that might have worked. But I kinda don't like that they suggest you eat meat you instantly get stronger. I didn't really get that impression at any point previously. I got the impression that meat made it easier to get buff for carnivores but I didn't ever get the idea that it's like popeye's spinach. 😂
I kinda wish Louie had jumped into the fight to protect Legoshi and got hurt to make his sacrifice rather than Legoshi eating his leg. It'd be more straightforward and cliche but I think it would have made more sense haha
@@K0sm1cKid Yeah I agree that the super saiyan strength felt like a bit much lmao. I guess they have hinted along those lines in the past but it never seemed like such a significant buff - at least not in the anime, idk if it's showcased this way in the manga
@@Flameclaw123 thats possible, I keep seeing people say the manga gets bad so I don't want to read it. 👀
Legoshi is like any protagonist. He continues to learn more about the type of person he wants to be, and finds difficulty in reaching that power, but we all know you can't be a hero without some degree of power. His hesitance towards eating bugs is evident enough of why he might be bluring the lines between an reluctant hero and a willing hero. The 'Instinct' motif is quite unique due to the lines bluring between sexual and hunger instincts. His understanding of others and his compassion towards herbivores is a start, but regardless if this 'instincts' will put others in danger or risk legoshi becoming a tragic hero:
Turning away from that which tempts you or causes you fear is not strength, facing it is.
and strength is not just his ability to defeat a bear, or a lion mafia but rather if he can hold onto power and not be corrupted by it.
Anyone else remember the movie Barnyard where the weasel kept wanting to eat the rooster but was conflicted about it because they were friends?
You're absolutely right, Haru takes a backseat for the rest of the manga besides like a couple of pages that aren't that important 😔 Season 2 disappointed me mostly because we didn't see alot of bonding between Ibuki and Louis. We got the music video which was great, but i would have loved to see it in the actual show.
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected.
Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him.
Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has.
Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs.
Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
And the ED for S2 really seems to emphasize the connection of Ibuki and Louis as well, which is weird. I felt they did okay, but yeah, it didn't really delve a lot into it story wise, it was more reading between the lines.
@@ToHoldNothing Yeah, I wasn't all that sad when Ibuki died, and I read the manga. I get there was this understanding between them, but like you say, I think the bond didn't go AS deep as the ED wanted us to feel it was. Up until the very end Louis was pretty cold and distant with Ibuki..So the realisation he loves Carnivores felt VERY sudden..And a little too convenient given Ibuki dies not long after.
I feel that moment where Ibuki shows his tattoo should have been more impactful, show us more of Louis openly liking Ibuki rather than implying it.
@@PlanetZoidstar Some of it feels like Louis' background and how he's repressed vulnerability because that would make him feel weak and not able to have the agency he so desires.
Anime only here, but they're doing the complexity well enough, even if it's under constraints of an episode length for TV seemingly (because I think it was broadcast on TV as well?)
@@ToHoldNothing I can understand Louis being emotionally repressed, but I still feel the realisation came a bit too late for the death to be as impactful as it could have been. Even if he wasn't willing to openly show he cared for Ibuki, we could have gotten more inner monologue hints he liked him before that scene.
I agree the characters are plenty complex, even compared to the manga. A line the anime omitted was Louis saying Lions like Ibuki couldn't understand him because they grew up sheltered - which is why it hits Louis when he sees Ibuki almost ended up like the Caiman.
I felt more for Riz when we saw his flashback to Tem's death, but I know THAT would have been a huge spoiler if that was the ED.
I freaking loved the second season. Turned from a teen romantic comedy, to a vigilante noir mystery.
I agree and disagree , although the second season went incredibly hard, all I ever asked of this show was wolf fucks rabbit , that's all I cared about
I feel like by the time season 2 came out, everyone had already read to the end of the manga
Its more that netflix didn’t hype or advertise this literally at all
I did. I thought I was the only one, I mean my best friend who is nuts about the anime, hasn't even finished the manga and even I'm the one who bought him the volumes
I think less people have, I think it's more bad timing. A lot of the anime-only fans know how to access anime outside of Netflix if they are really desperate for accesa. And I don't know when Netflix dropped it, but I found out it was even there by accident. Had other stuff going on, so I neither read the Manga or accessed it outside if US Netflix. But I don't even remember getting a notification season 2 dropped.
I've yet to read the manga... In your opinion, is it worth reading? How did ya like it
@@kuririvera973 its worth reading, the anime cut out and added in a ton of stuff that kinda messed with the pacing a bit in the adaptation.
(I don’t mind most of these though)
However i’ll admit, what comes after the chapters passed season 2 may not be up to everyones tastes.
Theres so much good in those later chapters though, its a mixed bag of the best, alright and worst of beastars
Gotta love that pervasive writing mentality of "She found a boyfriend. Her character arc is over".
You'd think the Mangaka being a WOMAN would mean she's know better.
ahhh I read the manga and I really liked it but I was sad that Haru loses relevance in the second arc and it’s hard for me to defend that
Like I get that Legosi is the main character and it’s ultimately his story but, you know, really?
Haru’s thing was that she wanted to find true love but knew that her life could end at any moment, given her species. It kind of loses power when we barely see her interact with the one who is supposed to be her love
@@mramos7887 Exactly, and Haru is a HUGE part of Legosi's arc and his development. I think part of the problem is the ANIME OPs and the MARKETING make it seem the relationship between them IS the crux of the entire series.
But even so Haru was VERY important in the first arc, she's on the front cover of several of the Volumes, but that only gives the impression she's more important to the story than she ends up being. I'm pretty sure she gets more Volume cover appearances than anyone after Legosi, including Louis.
I feel alot of Haru's development happened offscreen too, like overcoming her instinct to climb into Legosi's mouth, that comes up ONCE and I'm pretty sure it's never brought up again. Same as with her instinct to run from him, it's not really resolved. It just stops happening.
Yeah... written by a woman that makes it extra disappointing...
@@js66613 Which makes me think it was pressure placed by her editor or publisher. Manga is a very male-dominated business in Japan and there are strong societal pressures to bend to authority. Especially male authority.
Every time I heard "Shishi-gami" I felt like I was getting hooked right in the face. There was a combo going, and just when I thought I got used to it, he never said it again and then I felt disappointed. Help me, I have a problem.
Saberpsark: Louis doesn't have a leg to stand up anymore
Louis: Are you sure about that?
Hard never really comes back as a main character, but Legoshi’s grandfather is an amazing thread
In the Netflix episode descriptions they called Haru “Hal”.
Ah yes, my favourite Beastars character: "Hard" lmao
Ugggghhhhhh that arc was such an emotional one. So good!!
Lol, clearly autocorrect knew what was up 😅
@@dinobro6851 yes in subtitles btw is it Louis or Rouis?
people who haven't read the manga: "who is this melon guy?"
People who've read the manga before the edits: This Meron guy seems interesting.
@@cutlery4349 people who are reading the manga:
"oh he looks ho(t)- *horribly terrifying* "
Me the one who didnt read The manga or anything:
*W h a t*
@@thatgirleca_9149 you'll see him in s3 hehehehehe
He appeared in the animation lol
Complaining that Haru doesn't show up enough is the true Beastars experience
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected.
Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him.
Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has.
Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs.
Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
@@PlanetZoidstar still I'm happy that there is no love triangle thing which is the worst part of every anime ever :P
@@edizgunes Yeah must say, not a fan of love triangles. Haven't read or watched a single one that I didn't loathe.
@Simple Weirdo That's true, Haru is explicitly stated to be the only Gardening Club member, hence why she ropes Legosi and later Juno into helping her. I agree they could have done something with that. Like Haru starts using her Gardening as a way to cope with Legosi's neglect, so she isn't always missing him.
As someone who has read the whole manga a few times, I too was a little let down about how little Haru was in the story. She's more of an endgoal than part of the overall plot. There's alot of times where it feels like the mangaka forgot about her.
The manga is full of plot holes and forgotten hints so yeah...it's still good thou
@@just_somedude5866 Exactly. It's a great read overall. The ending is just kinda meh.
Man I loved the manga but the ending was such a huge letdown, it felt like they publisher forced Paru to bring the manga to a close suddenly, it was so jaring. It went from action to close withing like 3 chapters still a great manga though.
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected.
Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him.
Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has.
Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs.
Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
@@nameunknown12 The weird thing is Paru says she planned on 20 volumes to tell the story she wanted to tell. She got 22. She knew how many volumes she had to plan her story out. She just didn't manage her plot and arcs well enough to have them all wrap up neatly by the end.
The Melon arc dragging on as long as did is why she ran out of time to wrap things up. She should have wrapped up the Melon arc with Volume 21 and spent ALL of Volume 22 wrapping up all the loose ends.
Season 1 was some of the best setting- character interaction I've ever seen. It was also pushing boundaries hard. S2 had none of that and the plot went spinning around the bowl as it were
I enjoyed half of the season. It felt downhill after the snake episode. She didnt even appear after that! I loved the plot line of Legoshi learning to overcome his instinct and learn that a carnivore doesnt need meat to be strong. But then he has to eat meat to defeat the bear?? Felt like that threw what Legoshi did out of the window. And then he had some weird dragon ball power up?? He didnt even digest the meat, he just ate some.
Idk how it is in the manga, but yeah, I felt kind of sick at the last episode, but I guess is my fault that I see them as more human than animal, and the whole moth spiritual thing and Ris monologues about his true connection with Tem and then eating part of Loui just felt wrong all the way to me, after I saw people's review and explanation online I see it wasn't as "eating your friends is good :3" as it felt when I was watching, but still fells wrong, what are your thoughts?
Well, it’s already established that drinking blood is like doing steroids for predators. I assume eating meat does the same thing, like throws them into a frenzy.
@@The1nvisibleJeevas Yeah but the way he immediately packed on the muscle was more than just a rush, it seemed like his body had broken down and reassembled the protein too quickly
@@The1nvisibleJeevas : Those lions eating must have been something then.
@@brodriguez11000 could have built up a tolerance
Personally I felt like Beastars season 2 felt kinda underwhelming. I guess this is more of a calm before the storm season. I still enjoy the series as a whole but yeah hoping s3 is better 🤞🏼
Most anime/manga do stuff like that, season 1/the first book is slow and has to world build and introduce characters while the second season prepares the plot that will drive the series.
Unless it's berserk where shit hits the fan in the literal first panal.
@@delta2372 Oh okay that makes sense! thank u 😊
Sabrespark: "I'm not admitting to being a furry."
Also Sabrespark: "Give us more of the bunny girl!"
No no no , he just likes furriess
Beastars 2 : Judgement day
You spelled "Beastars" wrong.
Nice terminotor reference
I wouldve gone with "Guess what's coming to dinner"
I love the Show, can’t what for Season 3.
Can’t wait to get more of the Manga.
The First Season was 5 and a half of Volume 6.
Season 2 is the last half of Volume 6-Beginning of Volume 12.
Oh dang. I didn’t realise there could be more. I thought season 2 was pretty conclusive.
@@The_Court_Poet Did you reed the Manga?
The Story just getting Started.😁😁
and they said season 3 is gonna be the last one but either they cut a lot of crap or they split the season into 2 parts
Season two is just that meme of that one woman screaming “YOU ARE GAY!” Like the entire season is just most of the men trying to get in each other’s pants lol
you have no idea...
There was SO much gay in season 2. All the different relationships that were explored were really cute, and probably the only compelling part of the season
@@kristalgic1534 yeah much to my enjoyment all the men were trying to get I each other’s pants all season
Keep digging that hole, Saber "I'm Not A Furry" Spark.
*Press X to doubt*
Reject humanity
Return to animal
Hurr hurr hurr
I thought canonically among his fans, his fursona is a lion?
@@ScintillatingSunglow no thats just you
@@ScintillatingSunglow I agree
Juno's my favorite. For, ahem, certain reasons.😏
sussy baka
Start digging your grave kid.
Same here i love her
ewww
Same for zabivaka being my favorite mascot 😏 (renember him? Yeah...)
Saber saying "Shi Shi gami" caught me entirely off guard
I’m betting that somewhere out there, someone drew the cast in the style of Sonic
Ironically enough there's an artist who drew the characters of Sonic in the world and artstyle of Beastars
*SPOILERS*
The second season was enjoyable. Very different from the first. My partner and I don't get why 6Eyes was introduced as such a big plot driver, never to be brought up again... And how the counsel wanted the next Beastar to be whomever apprehend the devourer....only to not bring it up when the devourer was caught. We hope this is cleared up in season 3...
I agree
Yeees I was also sad when the snake lady had so little screen time along with the fact that nothing happened when Riz was caught and all we were told was that he had been arrested for devouring and that was the end of Riz (well for now at least) 😕
Pacing was awful and so much stuff dropped without explanations
literally! six eyes was never seen again after season 2 and i loved her in the manga.
You gotta point on the second part, and tbh the final Legoshi vs Riz fight was underwhelming at the end, I know it isn't possible for a wolf to knockout a bear but come on. I feel like the second fight when they were fighting in the bathroom wad way more intense, because at least Legoshi did actual damage to Riz...
I didnt like when Legoshi aye Louis' foot, it felt like it made all of the time he spent learning to control his instincts feel pointless
Yeah , but it was better than eating all of him, I was dumb founded at first until yk
Personally I disagree and love the scene. It really showed the bond between those two characters and in a way, Louis being freed from the literal mark of his past. I feel like the scene felt way too short. Like in 3 ish minutes it goes from Louis arriving to him cheering back without his foot 😂
Saber, I would absolutely be down for listening to you talk about this series for an hour. I haven't even watched it yet but your excitement is contagious.
FINALLY IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS :D
ok
"I doesn't cost an arm and a leg like others brands"
Only if Louis had know...
"why is nobody talking about season 2?" netflix jail. everyone already saw it at the beginning of the year
Not me.
I'm a very casual anime watcher these days actually and I tend to ignore manga entirely.
So I was happy to see the second season on Netflix when it came out but my thoughts were... meh, it's good but the first one was better.
Maybe they should try another season of BNA next.
@@MegaManNeo BNA was aberage if not below average
@@steelmyr1485 I like it 😟
@@MegaManNeo the only thing good that came from it was a cute racoon character
1:00 jokes on you. I watched an entire series with my mom. She's a bigger fan than me. It was a bizarre experience.
haru had such amazing potential with her reasoning for sleeping around and how legoshi made her feel so respected and equal. it was disappointing to see her arc get smushed down to being a motivation for legoshi n that's pretty much it now. other than that tho i loved season 2, i enjoyed seeing more side characters get the spotlight and i especially loved louis and ibuki's father son relationship.
I quite enjoyed season 2 especially library scene with haru, and legoshi speaks of marriage. What made it much funnier was the student who tripped when he said it.
"I love anthro characters "
Ladies and gentlemen we got em
It was about damn time.
Anthro characters are just an interesting concept.
I really love the idea of them.
Beastars season 1 was good, but season 2 was awesome 🤩
**"Baby I'm Yours" playing in the background**
I can highly recommend you check out the videos of Kamui Miracle for good discussions on Beastars.
The thing that bugged me about season 2 was removing all references to Legoshi's grandfather. They didn't even tease any of it.
Yes yes i've been waiting for this review Saberspark, and i just knew you would use Juno for the thumbnail just as i predicted in the comments of one of your previous videos!!!
Juno in the thumbnail is too adorable.
She is, to bad the fucking furries probably already got to her
It´s so weird seeing a series where the strongest part it´s on the beggining, and gradually goes worse as it´s goes on.
A lot of it it´s due to the way Paru works, in one of her extras she said that the thought process is normally: She get´s and idea that she wants to implemented in the story, Legoshi has a part on it, and the rest just happens.
The focuse shifts so much from arc to arc that we never get a proper conclusion to any of the ideas presented.
I think it's the same problem with some American TV shows, where they buy the entire series because of a good pilot episode. It sort of compels the writers to keep writing the same story for money, even if they haven't actually thought about how things would proceed past a certain point.
I think the buzz was so quiet now was because by the time it was put on Netflix most people (including myself) had already watched it about 6 months ago when it was airing on tv
Its because the only indication that season 2 was out was that they changed the banner
Now im gonna be honest, i love every character of beastars, everyone has depth, characteristics that make them different, i love it but Haru in season 2 and the end of season 1 was kinda a shell of a character that i just didn't like, there was something about her that just made her seem 2D
@@scapegoatmiller9110 what im more upset about is that i would prefer Juno as legosi's love interest since haru just feels like such a background character
I had to finish season 2 before I watched this video, I'm late.
Dr. Panda is my favorite character, and this show is phenomenal. The lion pride being a mafia is just such an awesome idea. I can't wait for season 3 to come out.
I just like anthropomorphic stories because it makes it easier to tell all the characters apart.
You mean in anime or manga... Or both?
@@1WEareBUFO1 In general
Everyone here talking about Netflix Jail and I'm here getting tilted by Saber pronouncing it Shishigumi as Shishigami...
I think that a lot of people are missing the point of Beastars. Beastars isn't a romance story. Romance is part of it, but Beastars is primarily focused on social commentary and analysis of the human condition. Legoshi and Haru's relationship is in service to THAT narrative, not the other way around. That's why there's not a whole lot of focus on it in the latter parts of the story. Legoshi's relationship with Haru is what pushes him to learn more about how his society works and how he's going to fit into it and change it, which is the true narrative. Personal growth and understanding trumps the romance, which is not only refreshing, but interesting to watch. Something else: people say that Legoshi eating Louis's foot ruins his character arc and I disagree. Legoshi's character arc wasn't about not eating meat, it was about respecting and understanding the weight of life, as was explained in his interaction with the moth. When Louis offers Legoshi his flesh, Legoshi's character arc has led to him understanding that Louis is offering him his own life force, the *future potential* of his flesh. Legoshi understands that weight because of his training and is able to confront someone who doesn't have that same understanding.
I totally agree with everything you said. It's unfortunate that our society today can't get past the romantic relationships between characters. There's nothing wrong with relationships, of course, but it does not have to be the centre of every story.
I enjoyed season 2 for the character development and the exploration by Legoshi and Louis about the philosophies behind the consumption of flesh.
"Haru was not as present in the first season"
_Laughs in Melon arc_
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected.
Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him.
Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has.
Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs.
Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
I honestly dont get the hate this series is getting for post Season One; like, what more do you need from the Haru and Legoshi arch? we already covered what was important, and the way the story goes, I honestly am SOOOO stoked for the Melon arch, and the introduction of Gosha and the current Beastar 😍
@@gabrielleharrington8234 I don't hate Season 2, I just would have liked their relationship to actually progress. Like have them actually sit down and talk out their problems, and work to get past them. Instead we get Haru doing a whole lot of nothing all season and Legosi keeps ghosting her and not telling her what's going on. They're back where they started and they've made no progress as a couple since Season 1 ended.
I am looking forward to the Melon arc but I hear it drags on quite alot and Haru becomes even more irrelevant. She was so important to Season 1 and she had more agency and involvement then. For a main character it feels the longer the story goes, the less she matters to it.
@@gabrielleharrington8234 beastars doesnt need romance
I watched it back when it was releasing weekly in Japan, it feels like Netflix jail is hurting this show for the western audience, but I dunno, I think the model actually works for them or something, so there's little to no reason for them to shift.
Centaurworld is Amazing & I can't wait for S2, also can't wait for S3 of Beastars.
Doesn't hurt us, we just pirate it. I make up for it by buying the manga. Not gonna wait months for something they'll probably censor when they finally distribute it here
cant wait for Centaurworld S2
I absolutely loved this season. The fight scenes were fantastic, and I can tell people don't enjoy Haru being in the background but I honestly didn't mind. One scene was enough to make me cry, which is rare for anime! I hope I'm not the only one who really liked this season.
Beastars S2: needs moar rabbit
also, hey i found the murderer! "you gonna tell the police?" naw i'mma fight him under a bridge.
Everyone watched the Japanese version of season 2 when it aired in January. They already calmed down from the hype :p
Right? He said "it aired a few weeks ago" and I was like "what? Did it? I saw this months ago... oh".
@@Oberky Yeah, Netflix did a late release for Beastars, and I already knew what happened too, but season 2 felt somewhat rushed.
Centaurworld was actually really great, for the most part.
Can't stop singing that Nowhere King lullaby now haha.
The saber spark fandom is the largest collection of closet furries on the Internet.
Closet?
I am a out of closet furry
I want to discover more about the furry fandom but I just can't find people who are in it
The term “closet furry” will never cease to make me cringe
@@just_somedude5866 Just go to reddit, dude. Try r/furry.
It was your original review of the first season of Beastars that made me want to watch it. I am a fan now, and I have you to thank, Saber.
I still can’t believe I waited so long for this season and the almost literal minute it came out. (I woke up at like 1) and stayed up until like 9 watching until completion. I think like 2 years of waiting for 8 hours. Worth it
I feel like you can make a pair with Legoshi, Haru, Louis, and Juno, and any would be fitting.
I was counting down the days for season 2 and while I did enjoy it...I did feel a little bit disappointed with some things especially with Haru barely being in it, and I don't know is it just me or did it feel rushed? My biggest complaint though, spoilers, is the fight at the end its teased that Legoshi and Riz were going to pretty much destroy each other because of how strong they are. The fights get interrupted multiple times, but the kicker for me is Legoshi trained and fought so hard to fight his instincts not to eat meat and it just goes to waste for the sake of like, 5 seconds? Was I missing something?? Might have to give the manga a read sometime. Keep up the great work Saberspark!
legosi eating louis's foot was crucial for both characters because for louis it was a way to be freed from the curse of the tattoo on his foot.
for legosi he wanted his first and last time eating meat to be for the sake of justice, unlike riz who ate meat because of his instincts
Haru's lack of screentime is easily my biggest gripe with this season. Even if she didn't get much time with Legosi, I would have appreciated if she got SOME mini-arc so she didn't feel neglected.
Legosi's arc is all about coming into his own and coming to terms with his being a Carnivore, and reaching a deeper understanding between himself and those around him.
Louis' arc is about him deciding not to live his life the way adults expect him to, to be honest with himself and appreciate the friends he has.
Haru...Doesn't get an arc. She has some relationship problems with Legosi, she worries about Louis...But she does not change at all during this arc. She's still unsure about her future with Legosi, and is unhappy with his lack of attentiveness to her needs.
Even Juno got more of an arc that Haru...Even if it was accepting she's not cut out to be the Beastar and she's learning more about Louis. That's more than Haru got.
I was greatly disappointed that not even Mizuchi the harlequin rabbit made a cameo. So Bill the tiger gets a pass but not her? Blasphemy!
Super disappointed that Haru wasn't featured as much this season! Maybe I was too caught up in the romantic aspect of this show haha, but I feel like her role would be more significant since she's the catalyst of Leogsi's emotional journey. Don't get me wrong, I love how Legosi is becoming more heightened as a character and is really trying to take action towards his goal of protecting the weak, I just feel like Haru should have been more involved since she's the person who sparked this passion in Legosi in the first place.
Really enjoyed the first Beastars review, super excited about this one
Another complaint I had was the lack of stop-motion OP. The opening for season 1 was one of my favorites in all of anime and was disappointed when the opening for season 2 wasn't another stop-motion
Season 1´s opening is a classic. I don’t even remember season 2´s opening
Result: read the corresponding material from the manga that you can enjoy at your own pace & let it breathe, just soak it all in
You know what I'll admit it I like beast Stars I'm not a furry but it's a pretty good anime
Suspicious...
@about you WHY?
What was the point of linking that video
It's just music with background what was the point that's cringe
@about you are you okay