History Primer 199: Webley's Government "WG" Revolver Documentary | C&Rsenal

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  • @CaptRons18thcentury
    @CaptRons18thcentury 2 місяці тому +26

    My daughter ordered me my second gallon for fathers day... so im ready when i finish off the first gallon... since i have a few flintlock front stuffers in my collection... love ballistol

  • @thecount5558
    @thecount5558 2 місяці тому +15

    You can never go wrong with more Victorian era revolvers. (That 1889 is indeed in such a beautiful condition)

  • @johnf3f810
    @johnf3f810 2 місяці тому +50

    The 1886 "WG" you showed is the model I used to have - mine was blued serial No 1503. Simply a fantastic revolver with a double action that was as smooth a friend's MR 73 (though a bit heavier). I read that this model was only made for a matter of a month or two before the cylinder release was changed, a backward step in opinion. I only had a chance to put a couple of thousand rounds through it before the UK Pistol Ban, but it performed flawlessly. Now it is part of a car somewhere😭

    • @kasugaryuichi9767
      @kasugaryuichi9767 2 місяці тому +5

      Couldn't you hide it or something?

    • @zoiders
      @zoiders 2 місяці тому +5

      @@johnf3f810 If it were more than a century old you could have sought an exemption.

    • @johnf3f810
      @johnf3f810 2 місяці тому +6

      @@zoiders I tried! Even with a close friend working in the local Firearms Dept we couldn't make that one fly. Unfortunately I registered it as I wanted to shoot it and they couldn't/wouldn't take off certificate!

    • @johnf3f810
      @johnf3f810 2 місяці тому +3

      @@kasugaryuichi9767 Certainly could, but up to 10 years in prison?

    • @kasugaryuichi9767
      @kasugaryuichi9767 2 місяці тому +8

      @@johnf3f810 "oh no I took it with me to a canoe but I lost the pistol on a river"

  • @zoiders
    @zoiders 2 місяці тому +40

    Oh good lord is that a White Star Line issue Webley?

  • @slowhand1198
    @slowhand1198 2 місяці тому +1

    Cool. Fun and informative view of a progression of lock work that few see, much less understand.

  • @imadequate3376
    @imadequate3376 2 місяці тому +36

    "Posted 38 seconds ago"
    Quickest ive ever jumped on a C&Rsenal video

    • @mattparker9726
      @mattparker9726 2 місяці тому +1

      LOL not as fast as I would jump on Mae if she said yes to a date. .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 picosecond There is an awesome, honest to god, mom and pop burger joint that sells actual milkshakes and malts and GIANT greaseball burgers WITH bacon. It's my comfort food.

  • @GarfieldEnjoyer1878
    @GarfieldEnjoyer1878 2 місяці тому +4

    a very beautiful series of revolvers

  • @blanktm228
    @blanktm228 2 місяці тому +1

    As always fantastic work. Thank you guys so very much for all the work you do!

  • @stephenadsit2274
    @stephenadsit2274 2 місяці тому +2

    Thanks Ballistol!

  • @nicholasresar
    @nicholasresar 2 місяці тому +3

    For anybody thinking about it, I personally recommend the $5 Patron level as the monthly scans are a fun bonus.

  • @zxcvbnm6669
    @zxcvbnm6669 Місяць тому

    Man these videos are so super awesome !!! you folks are the best

  • @Stormpriest
    @Stormpriest 2 місяці тому +1

    I actually forgot about ballastal. That was recommended as a muzzle loading firearm cleaner as well. And something I completely forgotten about until you mentioned it in this video.
    Thank you for the vicarious heads up

  • @Tottleminerftw
    @Tottleminerftw 2 місяці тому +6

    Man that 1889 is beautiful

  • @jonathanhudak2059
    @jonathanhudak2059 2 місяці тому

    My goodness that 1889 looks brand new practically, beautiful! Great episode you guys, loved it thank you!

  • @robertbean8116
    @robertbean8116 2 місяці тому +9

    That crazy trigger extension looks a lot like the Hanna Barberra cartoon character "Wally Gator ".

  • @cheesenoodles8316
    @cheesenoodles8316 2 місяці тому

    The rabbit hole of Webly double action revolvers..... dang this goes deep. Very interesting....

  • @busterkier
    @busterkier 2 місяці тому +3

    That 1889 is absolutely beautiful.

  • @williammurray1341
    @williammurray1341 2 місяці тому

    Good report. Have a Webley. Best part is the video of Mae thumb-cocking the revolver.

  • @Lomi311
    @Lomi311 2 місяці тому +6

    I’m Kay, hear me out. The weird trigger shape under the side plate @10:32 looks like a smiling cartoon alligator eating the main spring extension arm. I can’t unsee it

    • @beargillium2369
      @beargillium2369 2 місяці тому +1

      That's ridiculous. It's clearly a panda puking a rainbow 🐼 🌈

  • @DrBreezeAir
    @DrBreezeAir 2 місяці тому +2

    Perfect timing. I just watched “Laurence of Arabia”.

  • @cseivard
    @cseivard 2 місяці тому

    Fascinating. Thanks.this makes my day.

  • @katelynneshouse2834
    @katelynneshouse2834 2 місяці тому +1

    I've owned the Kauffman,1892,1896, and while not discussed in this episode the No.5 in .360 Rook, No.5 Army Express in .455/.476/.45 Long Colt, and the RIC Model 1883/85 in .450/.455.......why oh why did I ever let them go!!! 😢

  • @sesfilmsllc
    @sesfilmsllc 2 місяці тому +5

    Indy’s gun in last crusade.

  • @macnitt4039
    @macnitt4039 2 місяці тому

    Thank you😊

  • @kasugaryuichi9767
    @kasugaryuichi9767 2 місяці тому

    Woah this is so cool, two different guns in one video
    Make that three!

  • @johnfisk811
    @johnfisk811 2 місяці тому +9

    I think you have it right with the hip shooting thing Othias. The WG and service lock works demonstrate the difference between a civilian and military user. The civilian may want to play at precision single action shooting at a target but the military wants something that always goes bang and is only for use in an emergency at very close range in a hurry.
    It might be instructive to compare the military .450/.476/.455 Webleys to the .380 successors. When the military wanted more precision they went to a smaller revolver and weaker cartridge not single action of the big Weblys.

    • @CitizenSmith50
      @CitizenSmith50 2 місяці тому

      My sentiments exactly !

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 2 місяці тому +2

      I seriously doubt the .380 was to increase precision, especially when they would go on to grind off the hammer spur.
      The .380 allowed more accurate follow up shots in rapid fire but it didn't make an aimed shot more accurate and to allow for more rapid training.
      The .380 was likely more about the changes in the army over the first world war. Prior to WWI, revolvers were pretty much only used by professional officers who are supposed to have good training. By the end of WWI, they are used far more broadly by all kinds of front line soldiers in a large conscript army (while conscription was not practiced.in the 1920s, the British were absolutely planning for it to come back in a future major war).

    • @johnfisk811
      @johnfisk811 2 місяці тому +3

      @@88porpoise In WW1 most .455 revolvers were used by newly made officers and assorted other volunteer and conscript troops with negligible training. Even the few professional officers usually had not received significant training in pistol shooting. The .380 revolvers were judged to be more likely to hit in both the first and the follow up shots by amateurs. My father, a professional soldier, had the total training in WWII of “ here is your revolver and 12 rounds”. That was it.

    • @p.bckman2997
      @p.bckman2997 2 місяці тому

      @@88porpoise , there was a stated purpose to make a revolver that was "easier to hit with for the regular shooter". You are likely right in that the cartridge didn't hit any more precisely, but making a follow-up shot more likely to actually hit something was probably a lot easier.

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 2 місяці тому +1

      @@johnfisk811 So, what you are saying is that .380 was adopted because it was easier to use with minimal training when they moved from a small professional army pre-WWI to a large conscript army?

  • @alancarr3381
    @alancarr3381 Місяць тому

    Thanks

  • @demos113
    @demos113 2 місяці тому +1

    Welcome viewing as always. 🙂

  • @Edax_Royeaux
    @Edax_Royeaux 2 місяці тому +1

    Will episode 200 be about that much hyped about Galilean sniper sight?

  • @JohnCliffe-oq7pv
    @JohnCliffe-oq7pv 2 місяці тому

    I been trying get webly just like this back from my aunt my grandfather brought it back from the war

  • @billmccrackin8825
    @billmccrackin8825 2 місяці тому

    Fabulous baby!!🎉

  • @bo12328
    @bo12328 2 місяці тому

    I was just watching the first webley episode where you teased this one like 3 years ago 😂😂

  • @Charstring
    @Charstring 2 місяці тому +2

    Was one of the prices Othias mentioned 120 shillings? Brits of a certain age will recognise a hidden "dad joke" there - 120 shillings is £6 - six quid - an ill octopus! (Sick squid).

  • @CTXSLPR
    @CTXSLPR 2 місяці тому

    I feel like Mae is the Tom Cruise character from "Days of Thunder" saying I don't know how it works or how to say what it's doing but I can get the most of it when it's good. I think that's most of us with firearms even if we have engineering backgrounds.

  • @tomhenry897
    @tomhenry897 2 місяці тому

    Does Othais work in a patent/ lawyer office?
    The research is just amazing

    • @ES90344
      @ES90344 2 місяці тому +1

      No, but there are many Patrons that search online and physical archives looking for patent information to aid the research.

  • @festerallday
    @festerallday 2 місяці тому

    The blued one even sounds nicer with its clicks and clacks when being loaded.

  • @mattparker9726
    @mattparker9726 2 місяці тому +1

    52:22 And that's why I want to get into gunsmithing.

  • @uncleroysmusic
    @uncleroysmusic 2 місяці тому

    Hi, I'm Wayne and THIS is Ballistol...like most things in life, metal and wood could use some lubrication. Thank you.

  • @oolooo
    @oolooo 2 місяці тому

    Best looking Webley , objectively

  • @memkiii
    @memkiii Місяць тому

    I assume you have read this: Small Arms Training, Volume I, Pamphlet No. 11, Pistol (.38-inch) No target shooting grip in there at all.

  • @douglaskillock3537
    @douglaskillock3537 2 місяці тому +1

    Fantastic episode. As a British male I'm not quite sure how to respond to the slander regarding our womenfolk......

  • @timothyedge6100
    @timothyedge6100 2 місяці тому

    Excited noises!!

  • @p.bckman2997
    @p.bckman2997 2 місяці тому

    Man, those are handsome guns!

  • @RichardGoth
    @RichardGoth Місяць тому

    Ergonomically, the later WG targets are some of the best guns i have ever handled

  • @MayumiC-chan9377
    @MayumiC-chan9377 2 місяці тому

    my husband always loved the Webley if they brought it back as a replica i know my husband would buy it

  • @CTXSLPR
    @CTXSLPR 2 місяці тому

    Thumbs up for lexicon!

  • @Moondog66602
    @Moondog66602 2 місяці тому +3

    Using a picture of the stamped 1911 to tempt me is rude

  • @pluma8547
    @pluma8547 2 місяці тому

    Sorry to ask since im sure you guys get questions all the time on other episodes. im uber curious on the pieper carbine thats been teased in the background before, had a friend in mexico who had one although it was really beat up

  • @capt.bart.roberts4975
    @capt.bart.roberts4975 Місяць тому

    I'd forgotten how bloody loud Webleys are.

  • @deezee2965
    @deezee2965 2 місяці тому +4

    Isn't this Indiana Jones revolver in Last Crusade?

    • @colbunkmust
      @colbunkmust 2 місяці тому +2

      imfdb says you're correct

    • @deezee2965
      @deezee2965 2 місяці тому +1

      @@colbunkmust Yeah!
      I always wondered why an american adventurer would use a british gun instead of a Colt or S&W.

    • @colbunkmust
      @colbunkmust 2 місяці тому +3

      @@deezee2965 In first two movies he used American revolvers, S&W 1917(modified) and a Colt Official Police, respectively. I suppose you could theorize that he purchased a surplussed revolver while he was in Europe at the start of the third film. In the beginning of RotLA he also has an FN Browning HP.

    • @deezee2965
      @deezee2965 2 місяці тому +1

      @@colbunkmust Now that you mention it. I think I remember reading somwhere he used a Webley because it was more easily accessible for the crew that was shooting the film in England. But I may be misremembering.

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 2 місяці тому +2

      @@deezee2965 Given Indy probably visits a lot of areas under the British Empire's control, like Cairo, Shanghai or Pankot India, it would be easier I imagine to get ammunition for a British revolver.

  • @larskunoandersen5750
    @larskunoandersen5750 2 місяці тому

    that 1889 is beautiful

  • @Davidgoldenswan
    @Davidgoldenswan 2 місяці тому +2

    Isn't this what Dr Watson has in Sherlock Holmes 🤔in film's like hound of the bascavills 🤔

  • @CharlesM-h3v
    @CharlesM-h3v 2 місяці тому +2

    Mae is so beautiful!

  • @Frank-bc8gg
    @Frank-bc8gg 2 місяці тому

    that is an incredible bluing job, did they hot blue or rust?

  • @BLECHHAUS
    @BLECHHAUS 2 місяці тому

    Kipplaufrevolver sind cool :-)

  • @jackbrownrigg4669
    @jackbrownrigg4669 2 місяці тому

    Do you know where you bought the 250 round belts for the mg08 video

  • @jon-paulfilkins7820
    @jon-paulfilkins7820 2 місяці тому

    Othias "I call her Audry"
    Me, she not mean, green or from outer space! Oh, a Python reference.

  • @hallofguns8174
    @hallofguns8174 2 місяці тому

    Next up is the big 200!

  • @garrydeutschlander7404
    @garrydeutschlander7404 2 місяці тому

    In 1946 sent a check for $14.95, recd the revolver in the US mail some days later.

  • @YerluvinunclePete
    @YerluvinunclePete 2 місяці тому

    Wheelgun time!

  • @nathanboerner2256
    @nathanboerner2256 2 місяці тому

    Your revolver ain't ugly, it's a survivor

  • @reidhampton6799
    @reidhampton6799 2 місяці тому

    I want to join yalls playeur or patreon, which is better? I’ve heard patreon can be wierd with gun content.

  • @jefffradsham2297
    @jefffradsham2297 2 місяці тому

    I must say that I enjoy the"all revolver lockwork channel" more than the "all 32 channel". Just s personal observation.

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 2 місяці тому

    do wonder what a .22 top break would look like

  • @travisruiz5205
    @travisruiz5205 Місяць тому

    Mae is the best gun bae 😅... The internet can call the police. 😂😂😂

  • @EGSBiographies-om1wb
    @EGSBiographies-om1wb Місяць тому

    Is Mae a vet?

  • @greydonstautzenberger3901
    @greydonstautzenberger3901 2 місяці тому

    Whoot whoot

  • @christhesmith
    @christhesmith 2 місяці тому

    Mwah! Perfecto!

  • @stevenwestswanson9263
    @stevenwestswanson9263 2 місяці тому

    Woot! 😀

  • @miles6289
    @miles6289 2 місяці тому

    Othias ive gotta know what shirt that is its been plaguing me for years lmao

    • @johnfisk811
      @johnfisk811 2 місяці тому

      Berlin pattern camouflage shirt.

  • @WalterBurton
    @WalterBurton 2 місяці тому

    👍👍👍

  • @CitizenSmith50
    @CitizenSmith50 2 місяці тому +6

    As I keep screaming at the screen " No-one's going to be running into Battle with a pistol held at eye-level, squinting down the barrel ! They'd go arse-over in no time !" This is about the first time I recall C&R admitting that hip-shots would be the most likely scenario in Battle with a pistol ! That's how Mae should be shooting the things, to see how well they hold and aim instinctively for 5 yards shooting from the hip, as one would have to do in trenches in WW1 !

    • @CitizenSmith50
      @CitizenSmith50 2 місяці тому

      P.S. Excellent episode ! I am a great fan of and collector of early cartridge revolvers. It's a shame this story cannot be continued through Webley development into WW2 and beyond (just) !

    • @p.bckman2997
      @p.bckman2997 2 місяці тому +1

      That would actually be a cool side project, like Project Lightning. They could, like they alluded to, make it a cooperation with British Muzzleloaders.

    • @brianj.841
      @brianj.841 2 місяці тому +4

      They have stated over and over why they film and shoot in that manner.

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 2 місяці тому +2

      "admitting" is quite the odd word choice

    • @memkiii
      @memkiii Місяць тому +1

      The British Army WWII training manuals for the.38 (Small Arms Training, Volume I, Pamphlet No. 11, Pistol (.38-inch)) certainly ONLY show use from the hip, going as far as explaining the grip. Always from the hip, never up to the eye, and only using the sight when firing prone, or from cover, but using a two handed grip.

  • @davidbarrass
    @davidbarrass 2 місяці тому +3

    pre-decimal UK currency. £5/5/- is NOT 5 hundred 5. It is 5 pounds 5 shillings and 0 pence. There were 12 pennies to a shilling and 20 shillings to a pound. So that's 240 pennies to a pound. If you really must simply, the conversion was to keep 20 shillings (although that name was dropped) to a pound but have 5 pence to a shilling, thereby making £1 = 100 pence. So post decimalisation equivalent of £5/5/- is £5.25 and £5/11/- would be £5.55. This change happened in 1971, and I only just remember the pound, shilling and pence system.

    • @davidbrewer359
      @davidbrewer359 2 місяці тому +3

      A system of currency so simple it was used for a thousand years by mostly illiterate peasants.
      Note that the troy pound has 12 ounces of 20 pennyweights or 240 pennyweights to the pound. For a long time the Pound Sterling was pegged to a troy pound of sterling silver, and a penny was a pennyweight of the same.
      In the eighteenth century a reevaluation of gold to silver made the golden coin called a Guinea worth 21 shillings instead of £1. So £5/5/- could be verbalised as "five guineas". Guineas, having been fancy gold coins, were used to value fancy things like perfume or race horses and sometimes still are, kinda.

    • @ChuJungyin
      @ChuJungyin 2 місяці тому +3

      "NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system:
      Two Farthings = One Ha’penny. Two ha’pennies = One Penny. Three Pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). One Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea.
      The British resisted decimalised currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated."
      -Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman

    • @johnfisk811
      @johnfisk811 2 місяці тому

      So 960 farthings to the pound and thus 1,008 to the guinea, 480 to the crown and 96 to the florin. What could be simpler? So if petrol is 8/6d to the gallon and you have put 1 1/8 of a gallon in the tank of your motor cycle how much change do you get from a 10 shilling note?
      Americans seem wedded to medieval units of measurement rather than metric so why did they choose a metric currency? Perhaps because it was based upon the Thaler of the Holy Roman Empire so ancient enough to qualify?
      Mind you I still miss the guinea which was the pricing of items for a gentleman. Shillings for the common people.

    • @francesconicoletti2547
      @francesconicoletti2547 2 місяці тому +1

      @@davidbrewer359a thousand years ago peasants would have used pennies and fractions thereof. The possibility of them every having enough money to worry about pounds is minuscule. Edward VI was the first to issue shillings in the middle of the Tudor period , 476 years ago .

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 2 місяці тому +3

      ​@@davidbrewer359Not really.
      The vast majority of people would not have cared about any unit above pence for most of that period and peasants would have primarily operated on a barter basis anyway.
      Even well into the 19th century a regular worker is probably just operating in shillings with pounds being more of a concept than a useful monetary unit.
      Not to mention that the English and British currency systems were regularly changing and for a century the closest thing to a pound coin was the 21 shilling Guinea (which started out as 20 shillings but varied over time before it was finally fixed to 21).
      As to illiteracy, greater literacy is actually a big reason for decimalization. Decimalization makes sense primarily because we use a base ten numerical system in writing, so until people were regularly writing with arabic numerals a base 12 system makes a lot of sense being easier to divide into discrete units as it is a more composite number.

  • @McDylanNuggets
    @McDylanNuggets Місяць тому

    38:32 sounding a lil sus, ngl

  • @TheBattlefieldHistorianTwitch
    @TheBattlefieldHistorianTwitch 2 місяці тому

    Looks like my comment from the Previous Webley Video (the Webley-Kaufmen) that I commented on just got made 2 Months later lol.
    Fun Fact: The Webley "WG" is the Revolver that Indiana Jones used in Last Crusade & the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull not a Webley Mark 6.

  • @willhallam9999
    @willhallam9999 2 місяці тому

    Yey!

  • @CheshireTomcat68
    @CheshireTomcat68 Місяць тому

    Ah yes, the Freiburg(er) Roadkill extraction system.

  • @Stormpriest
    @Stormpriest 2 місяці тому

    I have to admit I am a fan of the Webley, but it's the path to my fandom. That's kind of embarrassing to admit, there's a mod that added it to fallout 4. And it was a version that was the semi-automatic version? Where it would fire two or three rounds if you held the trigger down.
    I'm not sure if it even actually exists, but it was a neat concept all the same.

  • @8.6GivenAdqVacSysm
    @8.6GivenAdqVacSysm 2 місяці тому

    In the animation the underside of the barrel looks very thin, is that correct or an error in the contrast ’paint’?

    • @TenaciousTrilobite
      @TenaciousTrilobite 2 місяці тому +1

      The animations are not perfectly to scale. The barrel walls are quite thin in places, though. It looks as thick as it does on top because most of that metal is actually in the rib

  • @F1ghteR41
    @F1ghteR41 2 місяці тому

    54:33 Incidentally, the perfect summary of British colonialism here from Mae: 'Maybe that was the problem: too much blood on the hands'. 😉
    57:54 It seems to be an explanation that makes sense. After all, they didn't even introduce the roller interface between the hammer and the main spring to smooth the action, yet chose to complicate the rest of the mechanism so much.
    1:06:05 Jonathan Ferguson has stated that in his studies he had big trouble finding any pieces of basic research into the ergonomics of firearms.

  • @ablindman0
    @ablindman0 2 місяці тому

    I just have one question... where da dog at? Hahahaha

  • @EGSBiographies-om1wb
    @EGSBiographies-om1wb Місяць тому

    128th

  • @garyfeist9254
    @garyfeist9254 2 місяці тому

    Balistll

  • @paulbarthol8372
    @paulbarthol8372 2 місяці тому

    Lope, stack and snick?
    Might as well talk about its wisbug and ploop.

    • @TenaciousTrilobite
      @TenaciousTrilobite 2 місяці тому

      No one else made a serious effort to standardize terminology, so here we are

  • @merlinwizard1000
    @merlinwizard1000 2 місяці тому +1

    12th, 20 August 2024

  • @davidtrail4731
    @davidtrail4731 2 місяці тому +1

    British officers were there to command not fight . So the only time they would use their revolver is when someone was a couple of yards away . So you need a heavy calliber double action . Firing from the hip could be needed when someone is about to cleave you with a sword .

    • @F1ghteR41
      @F1ghteR41 2 місяці тому

      Strictly speaking, for the situation you're describing an officer would use his own sword. Matt Easton explained it well in his various videos on the topic and cited a fair amount of primary sources to illustrate that.
      The British doctrine around handguns, if we can even call it like that, was never all that logical and thought through, but presumably the revolver would have been used either for engagements at longer ranges (at least until the Second Boer war), or for fighting multiple opponents.

  • @robertbean8116
    @robertbean8116 2 місяці тому

    1