In 1971, the Giants were short on wide receivers, so they decided to put a corner back in at wide receiver to fill the void. Amazingly, he scored 3 touchdowns. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about it.
@@baldridgeroyon Tampa he was replaced by both Steve Young and Vinny Testaverde. Also, when he got to Atlanta he was backup to another journeyman QB in Chris Chandler. Only in KC was he not replaced by a superstar.
The Buccaneers cut Jimmie Giles, whom they acquired from the Oilers a first round pick that became Earl Campbell. This is somewhat of a roundabout way of saying that this unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about the 1974 Oilers and how they had too many players on their roster.
Wow--That one is unbelievable. Sometimes, you just scratch your head and wonder how so many people could not figure this out. Great story/reporting on this
You're absolutely right George of course it starts at the stop with the owner having lived through those horrible horrible teams I can tell you a 100 things that are just as unbelievably crazy terrible
There's a a book about the Tampa Buccaneers called " The Yucks." It explains just how bad the ownership was through the late 70s, 80s and mid 90s. Under Hugh Culverhouse. Dude was super cheap. I'm sure he forced Lee Bennett to cut those starters, in exchange for bad players.
I didn't know both House and Giles were cut. Giles arguably should be in the HOF in my mind since he was one of the best tight ends of his era who played on a terrible team. I guess the cherry on top of this era of Bucs football is trading away Steve Young, which as a 49ers fan I'm eternally grateful for.
As a lifelong Bucs fan, Steve was being wasted in Tampa. Even after we traded him to you, he was still one of my favorite players. Sending him to SF was the best thing for his career.
This was a hard one for me to watch as a longtime Bucs fan. Stuff such as what Bennett did is one reason why I didn't get to see the Bucs play a playoff game on live TV until I was in high school (I was a baby during their 2 previous playoff appearances).
I remember vividly in the 1980s just being excited when they would score some points and I'm being absolutely serious anything over 14 points was really good day for them
@@siratabeachflorida9883 Considering that I didn't get to see a good Bucs team until I was in the 10th grade, I'm not sure how I remained a fan. Thank goodness our loyalty to them was rewarded at Super Bowl XXXVII!
What's most hilarious about that is almost every single game in the 1980s after Doug Williams left the buccaneers is the buccaneers were behind the entire game
Yeah, I am dumbfounded that they cut Giles and House. But, as another commenter pointed out, they were terrible with and without those guys. Bad for p.r. and morale, though.
And yet this franchise with a .30ish all time winning percentage has won two Super Bowls whereas the Vikings who’ve made the playoffs 30 (5th all time) times have not
Great post and story, JG. Thanks once again. It's a treat to learn about the back-story, in this case especially interesting to me because Coach Bennett was highly regarded for his work in Atlanta, I thought.....?
Two Oakland teams had to play games with limited rosters. In the NBA season finale of 2010 Golden State went to Portland having to dress and play two injured players because of other injuries. The Oakland A’s had only 23 players on their roster for Game 3 of the 1973 World Series due to the Mike Andrews/Manny Trillo debacle. Incredibly both Oakland teams won their games.
Yeah that’s very incredible because you would expect there to be trouble ahead but somehow those two Oakland teams found a way to win in unusual circumstances so sometimes you can win if you’re undermanned but I would advise against ever being short of several positions on your roster because you definitely don’t want to end up like the 1986 Bucs.
The A's had a 24-man roster for the World Series. They had sold Jose Morales to the Expos on Sept. 18, leaving them a man short going into the post-season. The Orioles allowed them to add a 25th player for the Championship Series, but the Mets refused for the World Series, leading to a public announcement in protest by Charlie Finley (and a resulting fine by Commissioner Bowie Kuhn). When Finley tried to replace Mike Andrews with Manny Trillo the day after game 2, Kuhn issued an order the next day--Oct. 16, the day of game 3--denying Finley's request and reinstating Andrews. Kuhn wrote about it in his book "Hardball."
Yep, Steve Young was riding the bench on one of the worst teams in NFL history. Now he is in the Hall Of Fame. When you are in the NFL team really matters.
Bennett was the worst coach in the history of the Buccaneers. I watched all of his home games and 4 more on the road, including the one in Kansas City.
@@Rockhound6165 Is there any way to do a sim of what the Bucs would have looked like had Doug Williams stayed ? I knew a fan that developed an A.I. sim program and he had the Bucs remaining a wild card team had he not left after 1982 and I am curious if this sim shows the same thing.
Just watched a video about a team I could care less about, a game that was a non event in my life, that main concept centered around roster management.... and I watched the whole thing and enjoyed it.,😂 Good work. 😂👍
Sean Farrell, aka "the dude the Buccaneers accidentally drafted in the first round of the 1982 draft because communication problems." That mistake was directly responsible for Bucs' decline in 1983 imo; they traded away their first rounder in what was already known to be a deep class in 1983 to get another pick in 1982 that turned into ultra-bust Booker Reese, and then when Doug Williams left, instead of being able to draft a new QB in the most famous QB class ever, they traded for ANOTHER bust, Jack Thompson.
Guess there's always that one matchup for many teams where weird stuff tends to happen...for the Bucs and Chiefs, it's each other, for the Packers it's the Bengals for some reason.
The thing is, the 1986 Buccaneers were pretty thin to begin with, but then again those Buccaneers weren't exactly into furthering positive causes on the football field. Their 1986 edition was especially ugly (their best stat was being 18th in offensive fumbles lost, the closest that team became to being average in any significant category), and even James Wilder was wearing down from overuse.
Help me out here, he said a full roster in 1986 was 45, they cut 3, none of the 3 they signed to replace them were able to play, but then he said they had 44 on game day. Where did the other 2 players come from?
That failed 4th down & 1 could come back to bite the Bills in the ass because they lose the head-to-head tiebreaker to the Titans when the top 4 seeds in the AFC are decided. The Bills have time to make it right, though.
@@matthewdaley746 I agree. Why have both the Browns and Bengals been either so close but so far; or downright awful? They dissed the AFL. Art Modell claimed the Denver Broncos would never play in Cleveland Stadium. Who was the first team to ever shutout the Browns at home? The Broncos in 1971. Do I need to mention the Drive? Paul Brown dissed the AFL by saying he was only joining the AFL to get back into the NFL. He still considered the AFL to be inferior. He forgot where he came from. The Browns came into the NFL from the AAFC, which was considered to be inferior. The fans in Cleveland were the same way, when it was announced the Browns were joining the AFC, they thought they were dropping to a lower level.
In those days, the Chiefs and Bucs generally finished 5th in their division and 5th place teams all played each other every year, hence a rivalry cross conferences
HELL, that was every year that they had the original Logo. Every time they lucked out and stumbled over a good player. They slapped his ass on the auction block. Look at Doug Williams to only name one. I wish I had a dollar for every time Williams hit Tampa's 4th string receivers in the chest, head, or right through their hands. Then Tamps sells him to the TEAM WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED where Williams won the BIG GAME!!!
In a matter of half a century, the Buccaneers started as a mediocre team but eventually became Super Bowl champions. What a pity the Detroit Lions will never achieve that goal.
Succaneer era when steve young couldn't even start for succs. Succs coudn't get bo jackson to play for them as well. And succs were tanking for testaverde that season. And Donkeys ran out of qb's for a game vs. saints just last nov.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have ALWAYS BEEN a 39.6 team. They would be WAY BETTER OFF just SPIKING the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
In 1971, the Giants were short on wide receivers, so they decided to put a corner back in at wide receiver to fill the void. Amazingly, he scored 3 touchdowns. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about it.
Buc should put Sherman in
So cool
The Cowboys, Falcons, and 49ers did it with Deion Sanders when they HAD ENOUGH wide receivers.
@@chadwickwhite6107 and the wasn't very good. Just fast
@@christopherengel7436 are you sure about that?
Seems pretty damn good to me
I kind of miss the Buccaneers "Creamsicle" uniforms.
Seriously? 😆
I like the 50/50 bar uniforms too, along with the flamboyant logo.
It has a certain charm to it. Same goes for the original logo.
Really should trot them out for a few throwback games.
Way better than the shit they have now.
The Gay Pirate Logo was Fucking Killer!
Bucs had Steve DeBerg in those days. He was that era's Ryan Fitzpatrick.
@Clean Up On Aisle 3 he played for SF, Denver, Tampa, KC, Miami, & Atlanta.
He certainly was but just not as good
Naw, more like Tyrod Taylor. Everywhere he went he got replaced by a super star or HoFer.
@@baldridgeroyon Tampa he was replaced by both Steve Young and Vinny Testaverde. Also, when he got to Atlanta he was backup to another journeyman QB in Chris Chandler. Only in KC was he not replaced by a superstar.
@@Rockhound6165 Elvis Grbac? idk!
The Buccaneers cut Jimmie Giles, whom they acquired from the Oilers a first round pick that became Earl Campbell. This is somewhat of a roundabout way of saying that this unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about the 1974 Oilers and how they had too many players on their roster.
Wow--That one is unbelievable. Sometimes, you just scratch your head and wonder how so many people could not figure this out. Great story/reporting on this
You're absolutely right George of course it starts at the stop with the owner having lived through those horrible horrible teams I can tell you a 100 things that are just as unbelievably crazy terrible
I want one of those Bucs caps the coach is wearing. Go Bucs! A fan since 76.
It would be really cool if we could get a Chuck Hughes video for his untimely death on the field in 1971 since Sunday is the 50th anniversary.
They finished 2-14 with them, and they finished 2-14 without them. The Bills hired Marv Levy after they loss to the Bucs in 1986.
Best loss in Bills' history.
Marv Levy should thank Bill Poilan for that steady employment.
There's a a book about the Tampa Buccaneers called " The Yucks." It explains just how bad the ownership was through the late 70s, 80s and mid 90s. Under Hugh Culverhouse. Dude was super cheap. I'm sure he forced Lee Bennett to cut those starters, in exchange for bad players.
@Matt Joseph
Doug Williams and other player's were cheated out of good pay. Terrible front office and ownership.
You are absolutely correct Daren
In 1986 there were no expectations but losing for the BUCS.
You are correct David and that goes for 1984 and 1985 and 1987 and 1988 and 1989 also
I didn't know both House and Giles were cut. Giles arguably should be in the HOF in my mind since he was one of the best tight ends of his era who played on a terrible team. I guess the cherry on top of this era of Bucs football is trading away Steve Young, which as a 49ers fan I'm eternally grateful for.
As a lifelong Bucs fan, Steve was being wasted in Tampa. Even after we traded him to you, he was still one of my favorite players. Sending him to SF was the best thing for his career.
This was a hard one for me to watch as a longtime Bucs fan. Stuff such as what Bennett did is one reason why I didn't get to see the Bucs play a playoff game on live TV until I was in high school (I was a baby during their 2 previous playoff appearances).
I certainly understand Marcus as a long suffering Buccaneers fan those were horrible years
I remember vividly in the 1980s just being excited when they would score some points and I'm being absolutely serious anything over 14 points was really good day for them
@@siratabeachflorida9883 Considering that I didn't get to see a good Bucs team until I was in the 10th grade, I'm not sure how I remained a fan. Thank goodness our loyalty to them was rewarded at Super Bowl XXXVII!
Despite the poorly managed roster for this game, the Buccaneers did actually have a 13-10 halftime lead.
What's most hilarious about that is almost every single game in the 1980s after Doug Williams left the buccaneers is the buccaneers were behind the entire game
@Matt Joseph I can see that, I do know that game was in front of red seats at Arrowhead
It seems like the plan was, "Let's throw this pile of shit into that high speed fan and see what happens." We all know what happens.
You could make an argument for Jimmy Giles being in the Hall of Fame he was just that good even on some pretty piss poor Tampa Bay Teams.
I second that 100%
Yeah, I am dumbfounded that they cut Giles and House. But, as another commenter pointed out, they were terrible with and without those guys. Bad for p.r. and morale, though.
And yet this franchise with a .30ish all time winning percentage has won two Super Bowls whereas the Vikings who’ve made the playoffs 30 (5th all time) times have not
The Vikings are forever cursed. Why, I don't know...
Great post and story, JG. Thanks once again. It's a treat to learn about the back-story, in this case especially interesting to me because Coach Bennett was highly regarded for his work in Atlanta, I thought.....?
Two Oakland teams had to play games with limited rosters. In the NBA season finale of 2010 Golden State went to Portland having to dress and play two injured players because of other injuries. The Oakland A’s had only 23 players on their roster for Game 3 of the 1973 World Series due to the Mike Andrews/Manny Trillo debacle. Incredibly both Oakland teams won their games.
Yeah that’s very incredible because you would expect there to be trouble ahead but somehow those two Oakland teams found a way to win in unusual circumstances so sometimes you can win if you’re undermanned but I would advise against ever being short of several positions on your roster because you definitely don’t want to end up like the 1986 Bucs.
The A's had a 24-man roster for the World Series. They had sold Jose Morales to the Expos on Sept. 18, leaving them a man short going into the post-season. The Orioles allowed them to add a 25th player for the Championship Series, but the Mets refused for the World Series, leading to a public announcement in protest by Charlie Finley (and a resulting fine by Commissioner Bowie Kuhn). When Finley tried to replace Mike Andrews with Manny Trillo the day after game 2, Kuhn issued an order the next day--Oct. 16, the day of game 3--denying Finley's request and reinstating Andrews. Kuhn wrote about it in his book "Hardball."
@@orbyfan Dick Williams, the A’s manager, also wrote about it in his book, No More Mr. Nice Guy.
@@orbyfan I don’t believe Andrews rejoined the A’s until Game 4.
The 70s-early 90s Bucs will always provide lots of material for JaguarGator9
You are absolutely correct I could give him 250 ideas for videos from that time span from the buccaneers
@@siratabeachflorida9883 I want him to do a video on the Booker Reese debacle at the 1982 draft.
These Buc's had my favorite all-time quarterback Steve Young.
He got out after this season
The USFL saved his career
Yep, Steve Young was riding the bench on one of the worst teams in NFL history. Now he is in the Hall Of Fame. When you are in the NFL team really matters.
When the creamsickle Bucs coach John McKay was asked "What do you think about your team's execution, coach?" he said "I'm in favor of it" 😆
Bennett was the worst coach in the history of the Buccaneers. I watched all of his home games and 4 more on the road, including the one in Kansas City.
Those were the Jim Mora Coached saints they were starting to put things together I could tell by the uniforms.
I miss that Tampa Bay logo
That int by #75 of the Saints was impressive
Looks like LDE Bruce Clark (75) of the Saints ending up with the ball off a messed up pass by Steve Young (8). Oops 😬
Hugh Culverhouse was a terrible owner
The 1986 Bucs were so awful that the 1976 Bucs would have probably beat them handily. They were that bad.
How about the 2008 Detroit Lions?
I sim'd it on What If Sports and the 86 Bucs won a best of 7 4 games to 1.
Pump your breaks son, I remember the 76 team.
They were the worse ever.
@@johnt.kennedy3856funnily enough even though they won 2 games the '77 team was worse.
@@Rockhound6165 Is there any way to do a sim of what the Bucs would have looked like had Doug Williams stayed ? I knew a fan that developed an A.I. sim program and he had the Bucs remaining a wild card team had he not left after 1982 and I am curious if this sim shows the same thing.
Just watched a video about a team I could care less about, a game that was a non event in my life, that main concept centered around roster management.... and I watched the whole thing and enjoyed it.,😂
Good work. 😂👍
Oh those Buccaneers
Being a Buc's fan since '76 has really been a long and ugly road. Times like our current era have been hard to come by.
I’m a rabid football historian and I really enjoy this shit. Great stuff!
Sean Farrell, aka "the dude the Buccaneers accidentally drafted in the first round of the 1982 draft because communication problems." That mistake was directly responsible for Bucs' decline in 1983 imo; they traded away their first rounder in what was already known to be a deep class in 1983 to get another pick in 1982 that turned into ultra-bust Booker Reese, and then when Doug Williams left, instead of being able to draft a new QB in the most famous QB class ever, they traded for ANOTHER bust, Jack Thompson.
Could you PLEASE come up with a new analogy to replace "spike the ball on every single play"?
Guess there's always that one matchup for many teams where weird stuff tends to happen...for the Bucs and Chiefs, it's each other, for the Packers it's the Bengals for some reason.
Buccaneer history is loaded with these kind of stories.
1986 was smack dab in the middle of the dark times for Buccaneer football. Tough times to be a fan.
Jaguar Gator should do a video about that time a quarterback spiked the ball into the ground on every single play.
This was one of only two career starts Steve Young had at Arrowhead Stadium. You might be familiar with the other one.
Of course they beat the Lion’s.
Lions creamed them 38-17 the second time they played that year.
The thing is, the 1986 Buccaneers were pretty thin to begin with, but then again those Buccaneers weren't exactly into furthering positive causes on the football field. Their 1986 edition was especially ugly (their best stat was being 18th in offensive fumbles lost, the closest that team became to being average in any significant category), and even James Wilder was wearing down from overuse.
Tampa Bay only had three good players at the time Doug Williams,Kevin House, and Jimmy Giles.
That Chiefs game is actually quite close, I expected a blow out.
Help me out here, he said a full roster in 1986 was 45, they cut 3, none of the 3 they signed to replace them were able to play, but then he said they had 44 on game day. Where did the other 2 players come from?
Cutting the veteran players was such a poor decision. How about I don't know? MAYBE GET PLAYERS TO HELP AROUND THEM?!?!
What in hell made Tampa believe that Leeman Bennett was going to be the answer at coach given his track record in Atlanta.
Notice a Hall of Fame QB behind center at their lowest point.
I want your analysis of the events of the Monday night game played last night. The 4th and 1 decision.
Well, we all can Monday Morning QB this but had he not slipped he makes it easily. But he didn't so...
No problem with it. Allen slipped. I trust my 6’6” QB to get half a yard. Plus if the Titans got the ball in OT, Henry would’ve ran right over them
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I fully agree. Vrable was playing for OT, McDermott for the win.
@@matthewdaley746 If they're up against the Titans. A lot of football left to be played.
That failed 4th down & 1 could come back to bite the Bills in the ass because they lose the head-to-head tiebreaker to the Titans when the top 4 seeds in the AFC are decided. The Bills have time to make it right, though.
35 Years Ago
Coach Bennett's Bucs Hat is awesome.
The Bucs ended the Curse of Bo when they beat the raiders in the SB. How will the bengals finally break it?
@@matthewdaley746 I agree. Why have both the Browns and Bengals been either so close but so far; or downright awful? They dissed the AFL. Art Modell claimed the Denver Broncos would never play in Cleveland Stadium. Who was the first team to ever shutout the Browns at home? The Broncos in 1971. Do I need to mention the Drive?
Paul Brown dissed the AFL by saying he was only joining the AFL to get back into the NFL. He still considered the AFL to be inferior. He forgot where he came from. The Browns came into the NFL from the AAFC, which was considered to be inferior. The fans in Cleveland were the same way, when it was announced the Browns were joining the AFC, they thought they were dropping to a lower level.
Had to think about that.....but I see what you did there. Well played.
Do a video on the Ice Bowl
Those cuts were really drastic.
Thanks for reminding me how bad those creamsicle Bucs really were
Two lives in Tampa Bay Jimmy Giles
Since when did the Bucs and chiefs become any kind of rivalry did they ever become an AFC west team and I just totally missed it?
Bucs were in the AFC West their first year in the league.
In those days, the Chiefs and Bucs generally finished 5th in their division and 5th place teams all played each other every year, hence a rivalry cross conferences
@@SteelerFanInRI oh wow no kidding I don't remember that.
@@oysterball1830 well I just got another post that stated that the bucs actually were in the AFC west for a minute.
@karl Cooper. Also true
Why would they not bring these guys in first and try them out and give physicals before they cut the other guys? Insane
HELL, that was every year that they had the original Logo. Every time they lucked out and stumbled over a good player. They slapped his ass on the auction block. Look at Doug Williams to only name one. I wish I had a dollar for every time Williams hit Tampa's 4th string receivers in the chest, head, or right through their hands. Then Tamps sells him to the TEAM WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED where Williams won the BIG GAME!!!
Leeman Bennett was the coach. That’s why it happened…
This was the curse of Doug Williams!!!!!
In a matter of half a century, the Buccaneers started as a mediocre team but eventually became Super Bowl champions.
What a pity the Detroit Lions will never achieve that goal.
Succaneer era when steve young couldn't even start for succs. Succs coudn't get bo jackson to play for them as well. And succs were tanking for testaverde that season. And Donkeys ran out of qb's for a game vs. saints just last nov.
This comment reads like it was written by a 12 year old.
The Tampa Bay "Football" Buccaneers.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have ALWAYS BEEN a 39.6 team. They would be WAY BETTER OFF just SPIKING the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
And we still have two SB wins.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have the craziest history of any NFL franchise. They are the Grateful Dead of the NFL.
"LET'S GO BRANDON!"...lol
Houston Texans (2019-present) is far worse than that.
Leman Bennett lmfao
Dude set up a draft so you could get picked by the Raiders go to your freaking he should have been made to give up cash for that
Again...about 90 seconds too long. And, honestly, not really a big deal ibn the scheme of a team not going anywhere. Research: A- Content: C-
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