Don't get ripped off! RTX 4070 Super vs 4070 Ti Super: The Ultimate Comparison
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Is it worth spending $200 more to get the 4070 Ti super and its 16GB of VRAM over the the 4070 Super? Let's find out! We will test them in the latest games with all the latest settings and features tested including ray tracing, path tracing, DLSS, DLSS 3 Frame Generation, and more!
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Chapters:
0:00 4070 Ti Super vs 4070 Super specs and pricing
1:02 Jawa!
2:45 Avatar 1080p Ultra
3:12 Avatar 1440p Ultra
3:39 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
4:07 Avatar 1440p Ultra FSR 3 Q FG
4:34 Avatar 1440p High
5:01 Avatar 1440p High DLSS Q
5:28 Avatar 4K Ultra
5:55 Avatar 4K Ultra DLSS Q
6:23 Avatar 4K High
6:50 Avatar 4K High DLSS Q
7:18 Alan Wake 2 1080p High
7:44 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
8:12 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS Q
8:38 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS Q FG
9:06 Alan Wake 2 4K High
9:33 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS Q
10:00 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS Q FG
10:28 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High
10:55 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS Q
11:22 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS Q FG
11:49 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS Q
12:16 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS Q FG
12:44 Alan Wake 2 4K RT High DLSS P
13:11 Alan Wake 2 4K RT High DLSS P FG
13:38 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive
14:05 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS Q
14:32 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS Q FG
14:59 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS Q
15:27 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS Q FG
15:55 Cyberpunk 2077 4K RT Overdrive DLSS P
16:21 Cyberpunk 2077 4K RT Overdrive DLSS P FG
16:48 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1080p Max
17:16 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1440p Max
17:43 Resident Evil 4 Remake 4K Max
18:10 Resident Evil 4 Remake 4K Prioritize Graphics
18:37 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra
19:05 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra
19:32 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
19:58 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra
20:26 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra DLSS Q
20:53 RoboCop 1080p Epic
21:20 RoboCop 1440p Epic
21:47 RoboCop 1440p Epic DLSS Q
22:15 RoboCop 1440p Epic DLSS Q FG
22:42 RoboCop 4K Epic
23:09 RoboCop 4K Epic DLSS Q
23:38 RoboCop 4K Epic DLSS Q FG
24:04 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
24:31 Baldur's Gate 3 4K Ultra
24:58 Starfield 1080p Ultra
25:25 Starfield 1440p Ultra
25:53 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
26:20 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS Q FG
26:47 Starfield 4K Ultra
27:14 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS Q
27:41 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS Q FG
28:09 Call of Duty MW3 1080p Basic
28:36 Call of Duty MW3 1440p Basic
29:03 Call of Duty MW3 4K Basic
29:30 Final Thoughts - Наука та технологія
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Maybe well i already got 4070 super for 1440p coming from 3060ti i just didn't see a reason to get 4070 ti super i keep getting earros saying CNWINDOWS\system32
vspcap.dll... do i re install nvidia drivers?
You should do a test where you overclock the sh!t out of the 4070 Super and test vs the regular 4070ti.
The GPU's are not max out when you were benchmarking CyberPunk 2077
@@infinite7633they were but the temp and thr percentage were switched in the benchmarks
Please, I hope next video you will compare the 4080 Super vs 4070 ti Super.
"That's a hundred dollars PER LETTER on that Ti!"
I'm fucking dead.
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I laughed harder than I should have lol
giveaway that he is a good teacher
Hahaha im stealing this
I've literally never sent a bonus to anyone but I truly appreciate all the work you do, thanks so much!
Wow, thanks!
Daniel coming in CLUTCH! The last couple days I've been waiting/looking for a good "vs" video of these two cards lol
Mid range cards for almost 1k, the sad state of PC gaming
Time to go console.
@@Krenisphia I'll get a console...just for exclusives. Everything else on PC.
@@KrenisphiaI want ps5 but I feel like waiting for ps5 pro so I would be able to enjoy gta 6 whenever it comes out
@@monke12349 Yes, it's a bit late to buy a new ps5 now. I'm also looking to get the 5 Pro for gta6.
Does this mean I should save double the amount for a high end?
4070 Ti Super finally isn't a flawed GPU
But it would feel even better at 700$
Yeah $700 would had been better and would make me consider it. Now I'm just waiting on the 5000 series.
It would feel great at $1.
@@MrDs7777 just like your mum
lmao its flaw is raw performance which we're forgetting just because we were given the vram capacity that we should have gotten at that price point. In other words in 2021 8gb on the 3050 was plenty for its performance yet it's a flawed product because its performance is so bad for $250. Same deal here the 4070ti non super had dropped to like $750 before this released so we're getting roughly 0 cost per frame improvement and 4gb more ram.
Even 700 is too much for a ti 70 series card.
I prefer the 4070 Ti Super to have the peace of mind that future games will likely require more VRAM and bandwidth, especially those that arrive poorly optimized in that regard.
What peace of mind dude? Look at the benchmarks, like here 19:20, both cards can barely deliver "proper" 1440p experience while using 7500 MB of their memory. It almost makes no sense to even make any kind of benchmarks since game optimization in this day and age can be crazy different from one game to another.
@@seventhsun1 yeah a poorly optimized game... There will always be games like that... Is like saying "omg Starfield needs a 4090 to run ok ish so now we need all cards have 24 gb of vram!!!!!"
@@seventhsun1 games will require more VRAM in the future this was stated by multiple developer teams
@@LeaveMyGun Yeah, doubt they will be churning out more vram than say cyberpunk with path tracing enabled though. Which is the only game in my library that even comes close to maxing out the vram + HD Reworked project Quality version. Thats with a 4070 ti @ 1440p. Looking at about 3 or 4 years time where 12gb will be the new 8gb.
12gb is safe for 1440p users, 16gb for 4k users.
I mean look at Stalker 2, probs likely to change of course but still recommended GPU is 1080ti or equivalent and the game is not even out yet.
@@seventhsun1 Lord of the fallen is an Unreal Engine 5 game, as you say there is no VRAM problem, it is more because of the graphic techniques of UE5, Nanite is very demanding with all GPUs so you have to use DLSS to get a good performance.
I got the 4070 Super to replace my dead 3080. I wanted to go another step up but couldn't justify it. People underestimate optimized ultra settings in reviews like this because it complicates things so much more I understand. There's usually all kinds of settings you can turn a notch or two down and maintain an almost identical visual experience and it saves you on VRAM. That with the fact that I'm playing at 1440p and happy with DLSS balanced? I think the 12 gig is going to be enough for a few years to come.
is it a worthy upgrade from the 3080?
@@chunk3875 I would say no. I only did so because I was trying to replace my 3080 without actually downgrading. The next worth viable upgrade would be the 4070 TI Super if it wasn't so expensive. But it is.
In my humble opinion wait for the 5000 series. That's what I was going to do before my tragedy lol.
@@rokku87 yes, if you can wait two generation there's a big advantage there. Sorry for your loss, that's awful :(
How did your 3080 die? those cards are not that old yet and should last much longer
@@rokku87 I'd say it was worth the upgrade for me though because it is replacing my 2060 Super.
Been waiting for this! Keep up the good work!
Just curious, will the 4070 Ti super be of more value if I want to use it for training machine learning models as well?
Is the +10fps and 4 extra vram worth for fps? bc I was contemplating on a ti super but if the super is still very solid I’ll just go the cheaper route
I noticed that in alot of the benchmarks that the 4070 super still had headroom for overclocking, as it was running about 200-210w and most AIB cards allow 244w. Compared to the 4070 ti Super which is running at it's power limit.
First i thought it's a re-post, then i realized it was initially 4070Ti S vs 4070Ti 😅
Thank you very much for putting time into it. Exactly what i needed.
I really appreciate you and the time it took to make this video!! y'know i have been dabating on which card i should buy for 1440p high refresh rate gaming & be able to stream. I was thinking about the 4070 super but do you think it's worth it? or should i look at a higher budget card..? (my build consists of a ryzen 9 5900x, 32gb of 3200 mhz ram, 850w gold rated and i have a 2tb 980 pro.) Have a great day everyone!!!!
@danielowentech I don't know if i made a right choice there was asus tuf 4070s which is in my country 730$ and 4070 TI super but it is Zotac Trinity for 880$ which was my choice i hope i did not make a bad choice since i know zotac is not so popular. But is it good quilty components? Should i get it back and take tuf instead?
Well Done Daniel, u worked passionately and gained the rewards I hope.
Spend 600 for a kneecapped planned obsolescence product or 200 more for a much more future proof memory spec, but that's too close to nearly 1K.
Screw Nvidia. I hate it but I'll have to get the STI. The 70S's narrow bus can be a bigger bottleneck in certain case (like emulation) and for content creation 12gb is cutting it close.
You should always use protection to minimize your chances of getting an STI, although genital herpes can be contracted regardless as it is spread through skin to skin contact throughout the entire pelvic region.
Or just buy AMD
@@Foxxnioxx AMD's options really aren't much better right now, unless the ONLY thing you care about is VRAM. Even going by just raster performance, the 7800 XT is comfortably beaten by the 4070 Super for only slightly more money, and the latter obviously offers far superior ray tracing performance and a better all-round feature package. At the two higher Super tiers AMD are roughly on par for raster performance, but again badly outmatched when it comes to anything else except VRAM. Pricing needs to come on AMD's entire lineup or nobody is going to consider them. There was some sort of argument for their cards before the Super lineup arrived, but not now.
@@CaptainKenway last night the 7900 XT was selling for 699 with a $30 off coupon. $670 for a equivalent card to the 800$ Nvidia offering certainly warrants some consideration, right?
for content creation you can buy expensive gpu and pay back its cost, stop crying or do your work better
Hey Daniel, is the 4070 ti super worth it for gaming and production? Or a little bit or machine learning, without spending the extra on the 4080 super that is not MSRP currently.
watch the video dude
I have a 2070 super, I was looking to move to the 4070 TI super 16GB... Do you think its better to just wait for the PS5pro?
Getting a GPU now kinda feels a little bit like gambling "Will I need 16gb of vram in 2 to 3 years? Will the RTX 5070 have 12gb again? Will we have a new DLSS exclusive to the 5000 series?"
since i am absolutely ignorant on the subJect i'm watching a ton of videos here on UA-cam to develop an idea and your Final Thoughts have been the most helpful so far, thank you for the Job you are doing!
as mentioned im still living well, but i do have necessary needs to buy just like anyone else
I am trying to figure out what the difference is between ti super and ti super OC 4070?
I just ordered a 4070 ti super even after seeing reviews. I just think it'll be better in the long run instead of a 4070 super.
Yikes. U might wanna cancel that cause they’re coming out with the 5xxx series in 2025. But if u wanna waste money and then cry that your “new” card is out dated cause the new series came out a year later. Be my guest 🤣😂
@@josephmccartney5951 I'm an adult. Why would I cry about it? I just got one because I need a new gpu now out of necessity. If I want the new one when it comes out I'll buy one instead of crying.
@@josephmccartney5951lmaoooooo
@@josephmccartney5951he got money to spend. U dont. Womp. Sounding like ur expecting the 5000 series line is gonna have a performance jump like how it was 3000 to 4000. Ha. Yea right
@@josephmccartney5951 and when the 5000 series come out you might as well wait for the 6000 series to come out because those will kill the 5000 series. Then you might as well wait for the 7000 series cards because those will.......................
what about outside gaming, is the extra $ worth it? like 4070 ti have dual encoder etc. which is nice to have for content creator. do you think that will justify its price?
Absolutely yes
I noticed the TI ran a few degrees cooler, is that true for all gpus?
That is because the Ti uses a bigger AD103 silicon which is the same as 4080 . So it has to use a cooler originally designed for a 4080, thus explain why they run lower temps as it is overbuilt . 4070 Super share the same AD104 silicon with the 4070Ti, they use an inferior cooler, the die is smaller.
FANTASTIC video!!!! I have yet to test the 4070ti super but so far my 4070 super tests have shown it to be the 14540p card to beat in terms of value, I think at 800 im more interested to see the 4070ti super vs the 4080 and the 7900xtx (assuming amd lowers it to around 850)
Are Crossfire & SLI still a thing? Is there any situation where it would be viable to get 2 cards paired versus 1 better card alone if the price-point is similar (2 x $200 vs 1 x $400, for example)?
It's not much of a thing these days(pretty much dead at this point).
While cf/sli enthusiast keep whining about its scaling performance and microstutter issues, developers have decided to avoid this headache for years. I admit I use CF over X79 system before and I never complained and it does actually look cooler than single cards these days 😅
I currently have ryzen 5 5600x with rtx 3070. Should I upgrade my CPU first to a 5800x3d ? I want to upgrade my GPU to a 4070 ti super aswell. But I don't know which one to choose first :D Thanks
Recently upgraded to the ryzen 7 5700x3d and the games feel so much smoother. So I’d say yes, wait for the next 5000 rtx series if you can. If not just stick with the 4070 super. Around 50% faster than the 3070 so that’s up to you!
The transition to Jawa is smooth ......"Your probably looking to upgrade, Well Jawa has you covered" lol
thanks for the information daniel still not sure what to upgrade to im still using a 5700xt red devil edition
I find it absolutely gross that Nvidia did not put 16 GB VRAM in the 4070 Super. The 4070 should've had 16 GB and there's absolutely no excuse for them to have released the Super with 12.
@@keithc5080 Unfortunately I put together a new pc weeks before the Super lineup came out, so I have a 4070. It's a good card but long term the 12 gb of vram is concerning for the future. Depending on the pricing in the next year, I might buy a 4070 Ti Super over a 50 series card because I don't think the 5070 is going to have 16 gb, and I'm not paying the insane price of a 4080 or 5080.
@@boatridecharm If you think 12 GB's of VRAM isn't enough, you're jacking up your settings for no reason.
@@Krypto121 Thank you for piping up when you have no clue what you're talking about. Keep defending Nvidia while their direct competitors have 16 GB at the same price point/card range. I'm sure Jensen will give you the first 5090 for white knighting their greedy practices.
P.S. This discussion was 4 months ago. Find something more constructive to do with your time.
@@boatridecharm First of all, I'm not defending Nvidia. I'm simply stating that 12 GB's of VRAM is enough in 2024. Secondly, a comment made 4 months ago is still relevant today, as it will be 10 years from now when GPU's still use VRAM. Thirdly, my statement still holds true - jacking up the settings serves no purpose outside of eating VRAM.
@@Krypto121 the gigabytes aren't relevant for the vast majority of games right now. But the 256 bit vs 192 bit memory is
guys what do u suggest should i get 7800x3d and 4070 super or 7600 and 4070ti super? please help me i'm playing singleplayer aaa games mostly, and no rendering. or maybe 7600 and 4070 super.
7800x3d and 4070, upgrading a gpu is much simpler than upgrading a cpu, so better future proof the cpu 1st
why the 4070 Ti S looks much smoother..? what's different ? frametime ?
The 4070 Ti S VRAM makes a difference in MSFS 2020. In fact, I'm hitting 12GB with high/ultra settings in 1440 and this isn't with 3rd party scenery packages.
4080 Super: I sense a disturbance in the force, as if someone mentioned my little brother instead of me to play MSFS.
Makes a lot of sense. I'm surprised I haven't seen all of the big card reviewing channels do a video, 'These are the games we all agree you actually do want 16gb or more VRAM for' and also 'These are the top 30 games on Steam, which need lots of VRAM?'
The 4080 S is overkill in MSFS if you're flying in 1440 @@Adri9570
I agree. The few reviews that feature MSFS2020 have idiotic test scenarios like flying over NYC in a slow moving plane. This shouldn't be the baseline. @@jonevansauthor
Are you measuring allocated or actual used RAM? By default applications like Rivatuner show ALLOCATED which many games just take the maximum they can, even if they won't use it all. Unless you are experiencing performance issues you aren't hitting your limit yet.
Touchdown Daniel! You are getting so good at these you sound like a professional sports caster... Daniel for the win!
Such a great video, thank you!
The 200$ more for 10 fps more average is not worth it.
You should take a look at 1% lows aswell. Some of you guys have no clue about framerates and the averages arent "just" 10 fps. It can range from 10 - 30 fps depending on the game even at 1440p.
You mean 20% more performance…
It is worth it if you consider the extra 4 gigs of video memory will make the ti more relevant in future titles while the standard card will be bottlenecked much quicker.
the super isnt even worth it over the regular. Again about 10 frame diff. You can OC for that.
@@Aluminium-Can nothing has any value in the current market. Wait for the 4090 to drop when they release the 5090
You might want to check the bios on your 4070ti super. On avatar at 1440p I got the same thing as you, 72fps. Then after the update I got 80fps.
so i dont mind paying 800 for the ti super, but it wont match the white build im planning (lol) i dont exactly play super intensive games, but having more power and more vram would be nice for down the road. yall think i should get the super or ti super??? looking at the asus dual oc versions and the gpu is gonna be paired with the ryzen 7 7800x3d
Here in brazil is 200$ difference, would you get it?
ive had luck running my 4070 ti super with the auto overclock feature on Afterburner and am able to clock up to nearly 3000mhz and get a bit more improvement in performance
can you recommend a tutorial for this? i haven't oc'd in decades
Clocking is not what you get the processor to run.
@@fabienlouvel5536 what?
Thanks for this Dan! Alan Wake 2 RT 1440p comparison is what I've been looking forward to the most, and is what tipped the scales in favor of 4070 Ti Super for me. It should get over 60fps with optimized RT settings and FG disabled and that's what I'm after right now.
Enjoy your slop.
@@OilFreeFeathers keep your pity to yorself bruh
I'm a noob here but I have a question, I am running a 2070 super with a i9 900k, I run all my games, on a 60 hz monitor, 3840 x 2160 resolution. I run Cyberpunk on high settings, at 55 to 65 fps, ( No extras, like ray tracing ) All other games ( Scum, RE 6,7, Fallout 4 and other demanding games as well ) maxed out on high and ultra settings, and I hold a steady 60fps. Why do I keep hearing that only 4090's will run 4k? Is 3840 x 2160 not 4k?
Because 60hz=60FPS is no go for 'true gamer' which is kinda ridiculous
@@jonasblazys7564 Thank you.
Awesome, glad I went with the TiS. It’s a beast of a card and I think it’ll be looked back on fondly
You should include some Quest 3 or equivalent current gen VR headsets with 3000 or so pixels per eye resolutions in your benchmark comparisons. IRacing in the Quest 3 was my main reason I upgraded from a Ryzen 2700 / 2080ti to a Ryzen 5800X3D / 4070 Ti Super.
If I wanna play 1440p 165fps games like apex, cod, and other shooters but around 60+ fps in story games, stream and record gameplay in obs and make 3D thumbnails in blender which one should I get. I don’t care about video editing performance since I edit on a MacBook & I’m getting a 7800x3d.
I’m hearing way too many things from so many different people and creators so if u have a answer please reply.
which one did u pick?
It can make sense for Stable Diffusion and other AI software, where you can use the extra memory.
This guy's contents is alqways very informative and aweome❗
I feel like all Nvidia cards need a $100-$200 price decrease
I was curious about the 4070ti vs 4070ti super in applications like Blender, Autodesk, Unreal Engine, DaVinci Resolve, Adobe ect ect.
I'm using a 4070 super for twinmotion, it runs smoothly, but once lumen and pathtracer is on, it stutters significantly, even though it shows I have more vram available. Autodesk software is almost solely CPU based, I was able to run Revit smoothly without a GPU while I was waiting for shipping. I expect this setup to last at least 3 years if not more before I decide to upgrade.
The thing is, there is one thing that possibly matters. It’s the bandwidth of the vram. 256bit on the ti super as opposed to 192bit on the super. And there are usecases in emulation, where this matters a lot.
If one would upgrade every 1 or 2 gen, 4070s is definitely the way. Thou i tend to run them into the sunset, like 5-10 years between swapping... so 12 gb is not my jam.
I am going to buy a Pc with a 4070 ti super and a 7500f or a pc with a 4070 super and a better cpu I am playing on a 4k 144hz monitor with which grafics card should I go?
7900xt
What impress me the most is the 'Welcome to the Stuttering World of Pain' of quite any test of the 4070 s. WOW ! 🥶
Which 4070 ti super is he using?
If im playing games and streaming will it be worth it and if i want to stream 1440p someone please tell me
You should be ok with 4070 Super but the 4070 Ti Super has dual encoder. If you ever want to stream and record it might be worth it for you.
I've had both and the difference in performance with everything cranked up is totally worth it in Cyberpunk.
Overclocking that thing helps 2 u do know that yes?
This video has more segments than a caterpillar has legs. Kudos to you Daniel for your hard work !
For the value for 1440p gaming 4070 super is more worth it?
yes its a good card for 1440p
then how Watt/$....?
thanks for making this
With recent price cuts, would like to see a comparisons of 7900xtx vs 4070 Super. $920 for the XTX and $880 4070ti Super.
It just feels like these cards are not powerfull enough if you consider the asking price...
What if it is 100 euro more?
Geez dude! what a great video. Need more these. I am mso happy that i went with the 4070Super because here in my coutry(South Africa) i paid 560USD and was really lucky to get this deal where as the TI SUPER was like 880USD whic is insane for not that much performance difference.
just bought the 4070 superr bouta upgrade from a 1660ti so excited
I think the 12GB will gimp the 4070S in future, so 4070 Ti Super can give 1 more generation before the need to upgrade. That is why I think the 16GB VRAM will be worth it
Wrong. Overpriced. 7800xt is the best pick
@@lifemocker85 cough, cough... FSR... cough
@@a-qy4cq software tricks aint performance
@@lifemocker85 Nvidia has a better memory management, much better software/features, uses way less power etc...there is a reason the 7800xt is/has to be much cheaper.
@@Master2Khof 12gb gpu run out of vram before 16gb so mem management doesnt matter. Software tricks aint performance and when AMD overvolts their hardware undervolted power is no issue.
They should summarize this in resolutions. If I run in 1080p? What is the comparision? etc. etc. etc.
Thank you Daniel for the video. Ended up choosing the 4070 super as its the best value at 1440p and I will probably upgrade fully to a 5080 or 5090 depending on how good the price to performance is for those cards when they release.
Ive actually been eyeing this 4070 ti super but with these results, have to really rethink..
try giving it an overclock, it gains a lot. Got mine to do +2000 Mem and +200 core, sitting me at 3015 and 12501
@@orangea9458 4070 Super gains even more, since this card is much more constrained in terms of memory bandwidth.
@@starstreamgamer3704 maybe, also less memory chips across the same bus so it's really gonna come down to testing. I can only really speak for the Ti super since I own it
@@orangea9458well ur explanation is the reason why the non ti is more constrained, yes, lmao. Either way he's right lots of mid tier Lovelace gets a good bit extra headroom from just the mem oc but the 4070tiS has a lot of bandwidth at stock already. That being said it gets more core overclock headroom because at stock it runs about 60-75mhz lower core clock than the non super 4070ti. No harm in a mem oc anyway tho it'll barely change the power draw and really bandwidth heavy games like cs2 would still benefit.
Same. The 4070 super is under msrp right now at $589 on Amazon. I think I’m just gonna upgrade to the 4070 super for the meantime because the 4070 ti super after taxes is near or over $900. The 4070 super is basically the 4070 ti non super at a better price. If the 50 series have reasonable pricing and good performance then I’ll sell my 4070 super. My 3060 is great but it’s starting to show its age with these new games.
4070 S is obvious answer for gamers . Yes there's also alternative AMD GPU options. But.... for those who play games and do 3d rendering staffs , like me , 4070 T S is a better option .
Wrong. 12gb is just stupid
12GB is going to continue to he the standard until the PS6.
Developers make games where they make the most money and try to port to get a few more $$$
It's unfortunate for us in the PC master race as we often feel as if we are neglected.
The only exceptions I have found are a few FPS above 12GB when at 4k maxed settings with PT or when downscaling from higher resolutions to get better detailed textures
@@ehenningsen 12gb is starting to be limiting factor even at 1080p. Games are only getting more demanding and pc graphics are way better than console so 12gb is not going to age well
@lifemocker85 12GB is the limit u til the PS6.
If games go beyond, they won't be released on the console and the game will flop.
This conversation is had every generation
@@ehenningsenlot of people have 12gb cards because of the 3060. Lets see how much it lasts.... The 12gb...
Watching this as i wait for my 4070s to arrive . (For better or worse) . But as a 2070 owner with a 2k monitor.. im looking forward to the fps bump.
What cpu do you have? I’m trying to figure out what’s better, a 4070s or a 7800xt
I have an i7-10700k and I’m not sure of bottleneck issues
@opin1onno463 i have an 11600 non k but with boost frequency in bios.. so basically a k skew. Lol. Yes im seeing bottlenecks on competitive fps games. My main is cs2, and yea i am getting higher frames than before, but deffo held back by the cpu. On 2k graphics intense games like cyberpunk its night and day, ultra settings and path tracing with dlss quality and its very playable, on my 2070 it was 1fps. Lol. I love RT , reflex and dlss, so i went nvidia, if you dont care for them the 7800xt is better with more vram and in some games better texture quality, look at hogwarts legacy with amd v nvidia, amd looks way better.
@@Chilledoutredhead Thank you, this was helpful, especially with highlighting the difference in texture quality. I’m am also upgrading from a 2070 cause my GPU seized to exist, hope you’re 4070 super serves you well.
Same case here upgrading to a 4070 S from a 2070
suprised you arent bigger, thanks for this review it was much needed.
answer Is YES
cz we gonna need those Vrams for high textures and 3d or may be running LLMs locally
infact even 24 GB might be less
i was happy i got a 3070ti in a random pick in 2021 when GPU were not available at MSRP
but now I see I can only go high in 1080p but for 2k I need more Vram
and I cant run certain LLM locally .
we will see 50 GB GPus in near future unless they make significant change where Vram requirement reduces.
Thank you
in cyberpunk rt with fsr i have used over 16 gb of vram so i would really thing spending this kind of money should get a 16 gb card
Wow that’s a big bump in overall performance if you play at higher resolution, or with any sort of RT turned on. I actually thought they’d be a lot closer in performance, but the for $200 it’s a no brainer to buy the Ti Super. Thanks for the great comparison.
Got a 4070tiS myself after 3070 and am super happy with it. Framegen also uses like upwards of 1GB of VRAM so I think it'll age better for 4K where I had started experiencing troubles with 8GB even using DLSS.
Same here bro! Built a pc at 1600dollars
Same issue that I have with my 3080 10gb: The vram usage has started to become a problem in a few games at 4k.
"Upgrading" to a 4070 Ti Super just doesn't feel right though.
It's so stupid that Inno3d didn't use their 4070 Ti Super cooling solution on their 2-slot 4080 Super which is much bigger for no good reason: My 2-slot 3080 has the same TBP as the 4080 Super and is even slightly smaller than their 4070 Ti Super.
For most SFF the 2-slot 4080 is too big and anyone who doesn't need a 2-slot card would go for a different 3-slot model anyway.
On my 4090, I have only surpassed 12GB of VRAM on a couple of PT titles.
What games are you experiencing this on?
@@ehenningsen CP77 PT & framegen climbs up to 15GB. Video shows clear indication with AW2 0.1% lows. Edge cases today but I preferred 16GB after how I was good with 8GB in 2021 and no longer in 2023. A new 12GB card today will probably have trouble in 2026.
@@markus.schiefer i was eyeing on 2 slot card in 4080 aince a year and now on 4070 ti super. inno3d and ventus 2x 3x are proper 2 slot cards but somehow their vrm aren't good enough. so i got gigabyte eagle oc 4070 ti super which is 2.3 slot. i upgraded from my 3yr old rtx 3070 founders edition
Bought a $799 4070 ti S at microcenter. Upgrading from a 2060 S. The rtx feature set, dual encoders (something the 4070S does have) extra performance is worth it to me.
how did you get it that cheap
I got lucky and found an open box 4070 Ti S at Microcenter for $719. I would have gotten the 4070 S, but when I saw the open box price, I could not resist. Still pricey but worth the extra performance for RT.
4070 super or 7900xt ? In my country the difference between them is like 130$. I just really never had an AMD card, i like ray tracing and I like DLSS (FSR is really worse) but I am afraid about 12 gb in 2 years from now. Playing in 1440p.
Get the Nvidia
Nvidia is better
if u want rt and ok to spend the extra $70 go with 4070 ti but for the same performance 7900xt is a good contender.
12GB in 2 years will be at its limit. Get the 7900xt. It is also stronger without raytracing
12GB at 4k resolution is the standard because of the PS5. It will take 4-5 years before games are released with the PS6 level consoles are released.
16GB of VRAM is more of an AI or Pathtracing threshold for a few titles
help me plzzzzzz :)
Iam building new pc right now
( my old pc spec 1060 6 gig and 6600k 16 gig ram you can see it's old 😅)
I buy everything in white except gpu
My budget is around 4080 i find a aero 4080 for 1100$ but i can't find any white 4080 super help me should i get gigabyte aero 4080 or wait maybe it's take 2 or 3 month for arriving 4080 super in white color here idk
My usage
Playing video game and capture
Soild work
Photoshop
Premiere pro
The 4080 super and the 4070 super are the only two super cards that are worth it. It'll be nice when stock for thy 4080 super gets alright
You deserve more subs bro your vids always hitting
my understanding is nvidia can afford to have the ti so much more expensive because they know people will be force to buy it for the extra vram that will be needed in the near future. my take is to buy the 7800xt from amd and not bother with 4k, rt and upscaling. for me 1440p with good fps native with no rt is more than good enough and if you can't run at high fps just lower to high settings. then again i'm broke and i'm currently still on my gtx 1050 on a laptop so my needs aren't the same as everyone but still i feel like nvidia in general is a bit predatory with the pricing. what do yall think?
If I wasn't going for those new 4K QD-OLED panels coming out this year life would be easier.
I hope you also include the 4080 which is 200$ difference
Could we ask you to test Optimised Settings for RT games like DF or HUB has?
So we also can see if VRAM matters.
I would say it is worth it, since it is sometimes the difference between having 60 fps and not having them. Plus, additional VRAM gives you higher GPU longevity in the sense that you will not suffer in four-five years due to VRAM limitations
Is 12gb enough for 3440x1440?
No, get 7900XT or 4070TiS
@CrazO9111 I don't know, I would need a new power supply as well. If I get 4070 super I can use extra cash for a 5800X3D CPU, I got a 5600 currently.
And the dual NVENC encoder in the Ti version...
Doesn't this "costs 33%" more only work if you are upgrading your GPU? Because if you are building a new system, shouldn't the comparison be: System which costs X with 4070 super vs system which costs X+$200 with 4070 ti super. then (X+200)/X is the the effective ratio for new builds.
The tests are very detailed and all the videos are very cool!
But I didn't realize, does it make sense for me to overpay $200 for the TI version? The conclusions are not clear.
Sadness 😓
@@MatthiasZellerVFX It sounds like bullshit.
Thinking about finally upgrading my 2070 Super with a 4070 Ti Super. But.... I think I'll just wait for the 5000 series. It is like 1.2 - 1.6 times as fast. Which would be fantastic. That's at 1440p too. And I'd being coming from 1080p and buying a 1440p monitor with the GPU. At that point, I want to replace the entire computer and put this one in the living room. But.... had to replace my A/C a month ago so that's mainly what's pushing me to wait for 5000 series like I originally planned. I can still get almost 60 fps in most games at 1080p with DLSS and usually some ray tracing. Can't complain.
If you want to do any AI on it, you can't have enough VRAM (e.g. Stable Diffusion). The newer models like SDXL need more VRAM because they have been trained for higher resolutions. Even worse if you are trying to train a model.
Yup. The extra VRAM is clearly mainly aimed at such workloads, and the handful of gamers who need it, as well as all the people who merely think they need it but haven't actually check if their favourite games are VRAM intensive at the settings they would otherwise use.
It's pretty obvious the 4070 and below are only meant to last a couple of years. Nvidia knows their fanbase will come back and buy whatever they make.
I bought a 1070ti almost 7 years ago and it's still running, well for 1080p60, but it's showing it's age when trying to get over 60fps for my 144Hz monitor. I'm going with the 4070ti Super because of the extra VRAM and bus hoping it will last me as long as my last 1070ti.
Don't worry, with a card like that, by the time you can no longer run AAA games on full ultra there's always the option to lower a setting or 2 to high and still have amazing visuals. Also, RT is not that crazy tbh, most of the time you even forget it's on since you don't really notice it.
Having to render in 1080p in many of these games is just sad on such expensive cards. And if they want cards to be expensive, at least give them enough performance.
Would love to see it compared in VR. Like VRChat and Resonite.
Would love to see less furries.
Good morning