How This Became The Worst Episode Of The Big Bang Theory
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2023
- After running for 12 seasons, Big Bang Theory is widely considered one of the more successful sitcoms in history. Though not without it's speed bumps, this episode of Big Bang Theory is hands down the worst episode in the series run. How exactly did Big Bang Theory think taking their main characters down this road would sit well with it's fan base?
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i still personally don’t appreciate Raj being the one for 6 seasons who couldn’t speak to women but was a hopeless romantic just to be the ONLY person who didn’t get a partner in the end! i get they were trying to show “not everyone ends up in a relationship” but damn of ALL the characters it was him!? i’ll never get over that.
Should of been Howard
Raj was the only guy that deserved a happy ending. Howard ended up with essentially his mom, which means he's a total loser and likes to be yelled at and told what to do.
@@TheSwauzz Raj is very aware that he has many faults that make him unappealing but are easy to fix, but he refuses to try to fix most of them.
I still hope that Young Sheldon will end up revealing Raj eventually got married with Sheldon's sister.
@@thecabbageman1 Missy isn't attracted to Raj.
The worst episode is when Penny calls Howard out for being a creep and she's the one who needs to apologize to him. Howard doesn't even learn anything in that episode
That one is a classic it funny as hell.
@@HenryJacobs-gj8vpit's cringe worthy. I skip those scenes but watch the episode because of Monty.
You very clearly didn’t pay attention to the show after that episode.
Getting punched in the face for his actions was exactly what Howard needed to get on a better path. This was the exact moment where the character became noticeably less creepy and much more respectable, eventually leading to Penny introducing him to Bernadette and transforming him into a dedicated family man by the end of the series.
If anything, it’s evidence that sometimes the thing a person needs the most to get set straight is a swift punch to the face.
the worst episode is when Amy blatantly insults Will Wheaton and then plays the victim when he gets tired of it.
yeah that one sucks, but I think my least favourite is the one where Howard comes back from space and constantly reminds everyone he's been there in the first place. it gets old fast
I actually didn’t like that episode for the opposite reason. Yeah he was getting a little annoying with it but it is a pretty much insurmountable mountain to become an astronaut and it’s a dangerous job even for a short trip.
So them playing it off like he’s weird for wanting to talk about his experience, that he’s proud of, felt very mean. It’s kind of like if someone had just gotten back from getting married or having a child (something to be proud of) and people were like “shut up about your wife/kid already and focus on me”
People should be allowed to be proud of/talk about their accomplishments.
For me that is also the worst, but it’s not just Amy, everyone in the episode tells Sheldon he should took Amys side of the argument even she is the one creating the problem.
The whole episode just says to support the toxic behavior of your partner
Didn’t obey Wheaton’s law!
Sheldon's behavior was very shitty as well, basically ignoring her and blaming her
The reason their wedding is so unromantic is they really don’t like anything about each other. Leonard only likes Penny because she’s really hot and Penny is only with Leonard because he’s a safe choice after constantly failing in her career and relationships. That’s also why around this time Penny basically becomes an alcoholic.
@@christopherbingham5092the logical path of their relationship is after Penny has the baby that she never wanted she becomes more of an alcoholic to cope with the depression of being in a life she never wanted and Leonard cheats on her the first chance he gets.
@@awkwardninja5738 well that's depressingly accurate, I always hated how they forced her into the pregancy narrative
Their whole relationship is very depressing, they never seemed to like each other, even at the beginning. Imo Leonard deserved better
Creepy people here.
It's a comedy people.
Not real life.
GEESCH
@@byersnathan-ic7cj there’s absolutely no evidence to support the claim that it’s a comedy.
Anybody else notice the washed out colors in later seasons of the show? Earlier seasons had characters wearing bright clothing and the entire scheme was bright and colorful. However in the later seasons the entire color scheme felt faded or washed out.
Yea, growin up and workin professional jobs sucks
Yeah! That became super obvious when he put the two scenes side by side
I did and came to comments to see if anyone else noticed and knew if there was a reason. Maybe those two newer episodes were less vibrant because of the emotional tones of the episodes?
Time fades and washes out everything.
i think they used new cameras on those seasons as it was reaching 2018-19
The worst episode is when Leonard and Penny have that horrible fight in front of Sheldon and it triggers him so badly he starts acting out. The worst part is when he finally snaps in the comic book store because Raj and Howard are fighting and it causes him to have a flashback when his parents were fighting. The worst thing about it is that Sheldon remembers everything said word for word then runs out of the store. All this while the laugh track is playing. It’s so unsettling and it’s really sad.
Which episode is this? I'd like to watch it. Sheldon getting hurt is my favorite thing about this show. 😅
The laugh track is one of my only problems with this show like scene's that i think are funny get ruined by the laugh track because it makes them less funny and scene's that are sad lost a lot of power because of it
It's not a laugh track though. This one one of the last shows filmed in front of live audience, just look at any behind the scenes or cast interviews.
DAMMIT GEORGE I TOLD YOU I WAS GONNA LEAVE YOU IF YOU DIDNT STOP DRINKING
WELL I GUESS THAT MAKES YOU A LIAR BECAUSE IM DRUNK AS HELL AND YOUR STILL HERE 😂
Let’s be honest, genius or not if someone had to live with someone like Sheldon in real life they’d probably murder him.
Consistently being ridiculous, controlled, having all your stuff thrown away because your roommate thinks they’re “ugly”, and told your career is meaningless, can do that to someone.
I think the worst episode was the one where they make Penny apologise to Howard.
Yeah, i always hated that episode. She apologized for telling him the truth? Like...
How is the worst episode not when Stuart's shop burns to the ground and we're forced to feel more sorry for Sheldon just because things are changing a little bit in his life? That really devalued, if anything, undid every character growth he had for me.
I was always disappointed in the way Stuart was treated throughout the show. He started off as being a generally affable kind of guy, but ended up being the depressed verbal punchbag, and I disliked that. In a series where everyone grows and develops, I felt his character was regressed far too much. I get he wasn't main cast, but he was in enough episodes to warrant at least some character development
@@leopold7562
But it ended well for him. His store became so successful that he had to hire Denise, and she became his girlfriend. Lucky guy.
@@Brinta3 Yeah, true enough
The problem was that when Stuart's shop burnt down, Sheldon actually tried to help, but when he asked for change or something, Stuart made a rude or sarcastic comment when it was obvious Sheldon was serious, and then Sheldon went on that rant and left. However, I do agree that Stuart was treated badly throughout the show.
It was funny. This is not a drama show.
Fun Fact: Macaulay Culkin was asked to play the part of Leonard but he turned it down.
Interesting.
He made the right choice In hindsight.
This is fact. Alot of interesting people who were offered and turned down. I would have loved to see Mac in it. I think he could have brought something interesting that I do want to see.
at one point they also considered john ross bowie (who played Kripke) and kevin sussman (who plays Stuart) as leonard and sheldon respectively
@@chasehedges6775 Yeah, he's cool and all, but I can't imagine him being the costar of the best sitcom ever.
I think this episode is a perfect showcase of where the series went wrong as the seasons progressed. At first, the big bang theory was a fully episodic sitcom with the characters not having that much depth and purely focusing on the comedic situations that can arise from an average girl getting in the social circle of four geeks. As they keep introducing new characters and paired the main stars into couples, the show evolved into a more average couples sitcom that wanted to treat its characters like actual people, not comedically exaggerated archetypes.
The problem with that, is that the comedy and writing remained the same, which made jokes like Sheldon's social unawareness or Leonard's simping turn from charming and funny to uncomfortable now that we were viewing the people making them as actual people. You can't write off Sheldon's sexism so easily when the writers want to portray him as an actual human and not an exaggerated carricature.
dude... nicely put...
It started to Jump the Shark a little bit when Bernadette and Amy were introduced. The geek guys turned out to be really successful, ladies men. Even Raj had multiple girlfriends/hookups during the whole series. The initial premise was invalidated. By the way, Amy and Bernadette (whilst well acted) were horrible characters. Bernadette was a selfish control freak, and Amy was a horrible vivisectionalist. It's a tribute to the actors/actresses and writing that we could still feel sympathy for all the characters to a certain extent, when really, the only sympathetic character was Leonard (the straight man for Sheldon).
The worst episode for me was when Penny and Leonard went to the movies as friends just one on one. It was a hard watch, it was uncomfortable and nothing got resolved in the end so it was also dissatisfying. It also really goes to show how correct that one commenter is about the unhealthy dynamic between those 2 and how they failed at love and just settled to be honest. At least, that’s how the writers made it feel in the end. Raj ending up alone, despite lowkey being a ladies man and being selectively mute around women and the storyline that could have been. Also, I think Amy, Penny and Bernadette’s dynamic could have been adorable, but they ruined it by making Amy the “new and improved” female version of Howard. Although she ended up being better at reading a room than Sheldon, she said weird things far too often. TBBT had all the potential and it fell so flat. They should have planned out 4-5 seasons and really flushed out the relationships with the characters instead of whatever the hell the last 4 seasons were and wasting the first 5 seasons on “will they, won’t they” for everyone. Also, I know this is controversial, but making 2 of the characters gay would have been extremely interesting and wouldn’t have even been very left field. The way Amy spoke to her friends, the way Leonard understood Sheldon in a way no one could up until Sheldon met Amy, or the dynamic between Howard and Raj…. I mean, the material for it was just there.
The writers always went for what would make the next line funny over what fits with the characterisation or the plot, which is a valid artistic choice. But it just clashes with trying to have a years long narrative arc with character development.
i hear this take literally all the time, but i feel it’s the opposite. the show doesn’t past the bechdel test for years, and howard is a massive fucking creep. they introduce more women and the show gets so much better, yet i always hear how the earlier seasons are better. i literally cannot watch the early seasons of the show because they’re so sexist.
What drives me nuts about the show is that geek girls don't exist, or if they do, they're implied to be grotesque. Even Amy is disdainful of Sheldon's interest in things like comics and sci-fi. We finally got Denise towards the end, but she was never a major player in the cast, and she was set up to be Stuart's Happily Ever After, not her own person. I'm crossing my fingers that she and Stuart are the spin-off focus so she can have the development she deserves.
or just watch another show. theres only so many different characters you can add before its too much, thats why denise didnt get a lot of attention too.
@shrgn You can watch and enjoy a show and still acknowledge its flaws. Oh wait, this is the Internet, where everything is all or nothing. Don't like the final episode of "Star Trek"? NEVER WATCH "STAR TREK" AGAIN!!! YOU MUST FIND A NEW SHOW AND LOVE THAT INSTEAD!!! Because that's totally reasonable. Better that than acknowledging that the media we consume is flawed because it comes from flawed human beings. NO, EVERY SHOW MUST BE PERFECT OR CHANGE THE CHANNEL!!!
You are very right, but hell the male characters are themselves grotesque, so in the name of gender equality it all works out, so I really can't support you there.
There was this one comic book nerd girl called Alice. She and Leonard started sorta dating, and as they were about to hook up, he reveals that he’s already got a girlfriend (Raj’s sister Priya) and he just assumed that whatever they had could just continue with her as a mistress.
um, Leslie? She was a nerd girl (and kind of a nympho)
I just hate how hard they tried to make Leonard & Penny happen. They never had any kind of chemistry, nor did they truly care for each other. Leonard only wanted Penny because she was the hot girl next door. Penny only wanted Leonard because he was an easy choice to settle. They didn't have anything in common, not a single interest. Heck, they didn't even talk about their future plans, which lead to another stupid episode in which Penny breaks to Leonard that she wants to be childfree, even though he wanted children. All she does is bully him in later episodes & all he does is being a doormat. Talk about romanticizing toxic relationships.
"Talk about romanticizing toxic relationships."
Sad thing is, this doesn't seem to be the only one.
Someone else here already talked about it, but I want to agree with and re iterate it, but the worst episode to me, is one where Penny rightfully confronts Howard about his years of, essentially sexual harassment. Howard is super hurt by this and goes into a depressive spiral. They could have actually done something interesting here by making Howard face his treatment of women and grapple with his attitude and behavior towards them. But instead, they write it as if Penny is the one in the wrong, Howard is the poor victim and how she learns to forgive him and admit she was wrong. The whole thing is borderline disgusting, misogynistic and just awful all the way around.
I agree
Because he wasn't harassing her. He was hitting on her. If he looked like any of the gym bros she used to date and said the same things she would have giggled and hopped into bed with them, as evidenced by the amount of times she giggled and hopped into bed with random hot bar guys. But because Howard is not tall and hot it becomes "sexual harassment" as opposed to flirting. He never touched her inappropriately or anything close. He tried pickup lines on her.
@@sl3966 wow. Just wow. That sounds so incel.
@@AlanLaraLobo I don't know what incel means. If you mean involuntary celibate, I've been married for 13 years with 2 kids. But I do recognize a toxic relationship and terrible writing when I see it. If you have actual evidence from the show that disproves what I said I'd love to hear it, season and episode please. Because I can give season and episode where any one of those women are toxic as hell to the men in their lives. Sometimes the men are toxic too, however, Howard was not sexually harassing Penny. He was hitting on her and if he looked like Brad Pitt she would have jumped his bones like she did with Zack or Kurt or that other hot physicist who's name I forgot but had a motorcycle. Or when she went back to Zach or when she was in high school in a flashback and celebrating a negative pregnancy test with that dude on her bed. My point is it wasn't sexual harassment. It was an unattractive dude hitting on a hot chick so she berated him and the show made it seem like he deserved it and she only Apologized because he felt bad.
@@sl3966 bro, just Google what incels think and you'll see it's exactly what you're saying. There's this concept called consent, you should Google it too.
BTW being married and having kids doesn't make you sound any less like an incel and doesn't prove you're any good of a person or even that you're any good at relationships (not saying you're a bad person or anything like that, but that it isn't a proof of anything).
The show’s biggest issue is thinking Penny and Leonard were endgame. They were awful for one another. Leonard only liked her for her looks and for the ego boost it gave him being with her. Penny only like Leonard because he was smart, and if he was into her then she was smarter than people gave her credit for. And the writers wrote them to be unhappy in their relationship and then expected us to root for them, it was so very odd!!!
You have a distorted view of the show, a view that is not at all supported by the 200+ episodes and their content.
@@watcherofwatchersthey were set up from episode 1.
You know how it would actually go?
"Oh yeah I have some freaks across the hallway, I look out my peephole to make sure I don't run into them"
Then she moves first chance she can get
@@watcherofwatchers if you disagree, please give actual reasoning. If you disagree with him, what common interests do the two share, and what do they love the other for?
@watcherofwatchers no most people agree with the other guys take. The 200+ episodes 100% support his view. The 2 are a horrible couple, together for the wrong reasons and they're the reason I stopped watching the show.. i couldn't handle watching them self sabotage anymore to be in an unhappy relationship
@@watcherofwatchersI've watched the entire show and you're the one who's wrong, not OP. What are you talking about?
Edit: Ratio'd hard btw
In the earliest episodes there were still some cohesion between Penny and the boys. Like she actually liked them as people but could never understand them. It wasn't very apparent, since all the characters do is rag on each other. That's why I was never convinced they could love anyone. Whatever camaraderie or closeness they could have is always broken when they mention how stupid and ridiculous each other's interests are. I don't think they're friends at all. Just random jargon babble puppets about being a nerd or a hot girl.
Yep, that is a more accurate summary then the show pretends it to be
Yeah it's crazy how often Howard says something mean or racist to/about his "best friend" I really hate the later seasons (granted I liked the first few seasons way way back)
That is literally the biggest issue for me about the show. All the moments especially when Howard threw a fit because Sheldon, who he should know cannot lie, admitted that the former hacked the Mars rover. They act like they were "friends" but all Howard ever did from episode 1 was insult Sheldon and make fun of him for not being as socially adept as the rest were. Leonard just deals with it because at most times, he even admits that Sheldon 'can' be a good person, but he should also know that Sheldon isn't as socially adept as everyone. Not that it's bad, but it's like being upset hot water is 'hot' instead of being cold.
Someone said this show was "How dumb people think smart people act" and that's stuck with me since.
Yeah, and it's obvious that they're written by non-nerds
i don’t remember the name of the episode, but my least favourite will always be the one where Penny admits she doesn’t want to have a child, and her ‘friends’ shame her for it the entire episode. i can’t believe they framed Leonard as the hero at the end, too.
And then in the final episode she becomes pregnant and in Leonard`s words that I remember: ''She didn't wanted to but now she's pretty into it'' like wtf
The worst episode is when they sing karaoke for Bernadette (pass the sick bag) or when Sheldon tries to tempt Amy to have a baby (so out of character - not the episode when they want to create a benign overlord to guide humanity to a better tomorrow, by the way, which was great).
@@lordprotector3367 The writers are also lazy as hell; there was an episode where Amy was trying to trick Sheldon into liking babies…which was a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Sheldon already WANTED kids and even tried to get them, from Amy. To be fair though, I think the writers wrote themselves into a corner by making Sheldon say he wanted fifteen and doesn’t expect Amy to father them all. There is NO WAY, Amy, Penny, Mary, and even Leonard are gonna let him hire surrogacies because Sheldon needs to follow the practices of marriages (Not to mention the fact that it’s in my opinion wrong; that’s why I don’t like, nor approve of the FRIENDS story arc where Phoebe is a surrogate mother).
@@lordprotector3367 Also, yeah no. I hated that last episode you mentioned; Sheldon’s first date was cringy as hell, and Penny shouldn’t have helped Sheldon out. In fact, if Amy has a car, why didn’t SHE pick Sheldon up? Hmm?
@@BenE8844 Totally agree with you, the last seasons are GARBAGE, their focus is really on Sheldons and Howards relationship wich i couldnt care less about, watching Penny and Leonard unhappy and against each other all the time was really painful experience and my guy Raj, the way he ended is pure cancer.
I've always wished Penny was the late bloomer drama type in high school, she has been unattractive, unwanted, and bullied when she was young, that's why she could relate to the group.
@@christopherbingham5092 I know
@@christopherbingham5092 - We know, but you are missing the point. If Penny were the victim instead, like Amy was, then Penny would have more in common with the guys.
That was Amy.
...but everything Sheldon does makes him come off as insensitive and selfish. He wasn't out of character, hes the antagonist.
Ehhh. There are some certain situations where you can see the issues from his perspective. There are times when the other guys are just straight up mean to him and outright mocking him just for existing.
@@KaiLucasZachary what respect do you owe to someone who constantly belittles you?
@@BoyKagome A basic amount. If you ever go below that, it says more about you than it does about the other.
@@lonestarr1490 I don't know, if I watch a random episode I bet Sheldon will be the one ot instigiate - atleast for the first 6 seasons. Ami teaches him basic empathy.
But before that, he would openly condescend to people about their profession.
@@BoyKagome That doesn't exactly have anything to do with what I said.
Let’s face it, Sheldon/ Jim Parsons is the only reason this show was as popular and well known as it was
Agreed, he stole every single one of his scenes, and it's no surprise that he eventually got his own prequel spinoff.
Terms
He is one of the main reasons I couldnt stand the show (one of many reasons)
@@Dan55888 Fair enough
I actually prefer Lenard cause he is an actual character unlike Sheldon who was stuck in season one personality for 10 seasons and him insulting Amy is a perfect example of this and even though people try to say the show tried to normalize geek culture they failed to see what they show was actually doing which was actually laughing at geek culture cause most of the jokes were just that the joke made geek culture references like when Bernadette wanted Howard to get rid of the tardis and they decide to play a ping pong game on the battlefield of thundercats and transformers and the joke was the references of doctor who with the tardis and the mention of thundercats and transformers say to the audience hey we know of these franchises also
My least favorite episode is the one where Penny discloses that she doesn’t want to have kids, Leonard makes her feel bad for it and her friends tell her how "wrong" or "selfish" she is.
She is selfish because she does not want children but does not allow Leonard to have it. Not only she didn't want Leonard to have it, she did try to ruin Leonard's plan with zach. Selfish is underrated for this type of situation. Evil feminist is more like it.
@@zulhilmi5787 Wow, you must be a real ladies man.
@Jarino507 no, they are right. Penny said she doesn't want kids, but she also doesn't want him to donate to Zach and know that he has progeny and that his DNA will carry on somewhere. That's selfish. She doesn't want his kids but someone else did and she didn't want them to have them either. That's selfish. All these people are terrible to each other and almost all the relationships are toxic except Sheldon and Amy, they have the healthiest relationship when you look at it.
@@Jarino507 Does it more important to support whatever woman wants rather than speaking the truth? Just because you're biased to woman does not mean everyone else need to do the same. I on the other hand don't care about such stuff. Regardless if it's man or woman, if you're wrong then you're wrong. That's it. Full stop
@@zulhilmi5787 Considering I am a woman who doesn't want kids and thinks everyone should have bodily autonomy, then yeah, I suppose I'm biased. 🙄 But like you said, if you're wrong, you're wrong, and you're a flat out misogynist who isn't going to change their mind anytime soon so byeeeee
To me, the worst episode os from season 2 or something, where Penny finally tells Howard off for constant sexual harassment, but SHE is portraied as the villain in the situation and forced to apologise. I could to into more detail, but man, I had to skip it during an re-watch because it just makes me incredibly angry and uncomfortable
Oh this is the one that makes my blood boil endlessly whenever I remember
@@xJackDarkStonex same same
3:00 honestly, that's why I like Amy and Sheldon's relationship and marriage way more. I cried when they got married. There we have two people who never thought about getting married or having romantic relationships EVER, yet they are completely and genuinely in love in every single way. The wedding vows are truly emotional and beautiful because they feel perfectly in line with the characters : they never asked for love nor wanted it, yet they found it and nothing else matters. They are both happy they were wrong about love because being together is the most important thing in the world to them.
Penny and Leonard's marriage episode feels just like their relationship to me: the product of bad writing that is just doing it for the sake of doing it.
You really described it so sweet. Agree 100!!!!
I've always thought that Mark Hamill's line after Amy's vows "Well that was unexpectedly beautiful" was sort of commentary from the writers about how beautiful Sheldon and Amy's relationship ended up being. A lot of fans were hesitant to see Sheldon be given a possible love interest, yet for so many people (myself included), Shamy ended up becoming their favorite couple on the show.
I took pictures with my phone of their wedding and Nobel acceptances like they were family members! I still watch at least an hour of reruns every day. I love this show!
the writers don't deserve this much credit, the show was ok, but there's several beats and things they missed, from missed opportunities, to missed character growth, to missed setted points themselves setted, to missed comedy, continuity and others, it doesn't compare to others shows (who weren't perfect themselves) that had true passion in the actors and writers alike, like Community, Chuck, Scrubs, The Middle and some others from around the same era, the writers suffer from a thing many writters in manga/anime have, the virgin mentality (that can go from mega-simp to ultra-incel, many times in the same individual)
The likes of Parks & Rec or Brooklyn 99 have just blown them out of the water, showing that you can be more funny and still have very compelling character arcs
@@Septimus_iiI’d argue that part of the reasons those shows work- especially the character based comedy- is they take the opposite route of TBBT. Like instead of characters insulting each other constantly being the comedy, there are characters that are overly lovey towards others being the joke. Boyle and Chris being the examples. Like you see how the characters act and sure they’re a bit awkward but you can absolutely see that they all do care for each other. I’d rather be friends with someone who’s a little too into my life than someone who insults me all the time. The other thing is they show those who are insulted constantly to not really need the audiences empathy. Gerry Hitchcock and Scully are all pretty openly content with their lives where it’s not really depressing to watch them get insulted all them time
I liked the first couple of seasons! And then it went longer then it should. Most shows have/had that problem.
That’s because writers usually only have a clear vision for the show for a few seasons at most. If it blows up like crazy and they have to continue they essentially start making things up on the fly. No way it’ll be as good as it was in the beginning
@@chiarosuburekeni9325 True!
Money is the reason. Thats why a lot of shows start off strong and end with a wimper. Which is why I love Breaking Bad. Only 5 seasons and it never overstayed its welcome due to its popularity.
@@barnacleboi2595 And now it'll live on in pop culture lore and history forever.
They were the best, and most original. I can't believe US sitcoms go on for 300+episodes, when in the UK, the best ones have 12-18 episodes.
It's just too meanspirited. The characters say and do things to each other nobody would forgive/forget irl not just in this episode but repeatedly throughout the second half of the series.
Seinfeld was the same way but what worked for that show was that it was more cartoonish, the characters were supposed to be awful and even a casual viewer could see the only reason they even hung out together was because no one else was going to put up with them.
Agreed. I thought Howard was particulary nasty to his "best friend" Raj.
I believe an argument can be made that the dynamic would work…if these characters were teenagers. It’s not uncommon for teenage friend groups to have a friend or two that tends to build themselves up by tearing other members of the friend group down. I had a friend like that, and I saw others in different groups. These people are harder to escape in a teenage click bec of the tight, even ridge, scope of life we experience at teens. Our daily lives are more or less dictated to us, in school attendance, breaks, holiday activities, and even our free time. (A teen can not simply pack up the car and head to Vegas for a couple nights), so we accept these people because, though we dont yet know it, life is typically not overly difficult in our teen years when compared to the impending adulthood. But as an adult, in the freedom of social purgative and typical adulthood struggles, I’ve and I’m sure many others, have shrugged off that friend because we do not need to be in proximity to them anymore and know that the rigors of adulthood don’t need the additional struggle of mockery.
So in summary, it can work. But not for esteemed academics in their late 20s- late 30s.
@@suburbantimewaster9620And the finale proved this brilliantly.
The writers seemed to hate all the characters. The characters suffered and that is funny!
The more I see Leonard and Penny as a couple the more I don’t like them.
I've never shipped them, even at the start. This show does a horrible job at romances.
Worst episode for me was the one where they ruined Sheldon's experiment in the North Pole. None of his "friends" showed any remorse for ruining the results of part of his life's work and it was only Penny who actually offered any sort of empathy/compassion. Pretty sure that Leonard in particular only went to apologize was after Penny urged him and in the hope they would get back on track 🙄
This episode highlighted for me how awful they (Raj/Howard/Leonard) were to Sheldon. Granted, I understand Sheldon isn't a cakewalk by any means but they literally could have said no to going.....but went any way because they wanted the accolades/credits if Sheldon was right knowing how he is.
The fact the episode ended in Sheldon forgiving them was........no. Fucking with someone's livelihood, especially their academic standing is infuriating/hurtful to put it mildly and going scorched earth is warranted.
They didn't ruin the experiment, it had already proven to be a failure early on. As a result, Sheldon became insufferable, so they faked the results to make him happy so they could get through the rest of the trip in peace.
Thank you! Totally agree.
And they “jokingly” conspired to kill him in the North Pole
The whole show is a joke, but they didn't ruin his experiment, they apparently "kept the real results" so he can still publish them. The reason why he was sad is that he thought the results were succesfull when they weren't.
TBBT fans even do their own self touted favourite show's analysis wrong.
Very true!
I don't think this is the worst. The worst was Amy thru a temper tantrum because she thought Will was disrespectful in his interview with Sheldon when Amy kept interrupting and telling Will off while attempting to direct interview. Everyone thought Sheldon should have supported Amy. Amy was irritating, disrespectful and wrong.
i think the worst episodes are when leonard’s mom is on them, i hate that Leonard’s mommy issues are just like haha that’s so funny she kinda hates his own son !! and it’s NEVER taken seriously it’s literally the worst
Leonard's mom has told him that she is proud of him and even started giving him the unconditional love which he demanded. And Leonard's response was to continue to vilify her and ostracize her. Leonard is determined to hate his mom no matter what she does yet he chooses to spend most of his time with Sheldon who behaves just like her. And Leonard vilifies Sheldon as well while calling Sheldon his best friend.
Leonard is a spoiled brat and a narcissist.
@@DR---You're a messed up person. You probably act like her.
I'll be honest, Sheldon's line about how his own friends invited Amy and not him to watch the wedding, actually made me feel really bad for him. Especially coz we know he intended to ask Amy to marry him and is also hurting in his own way.
Sheldon is why this show lasted as long as it did imo
EXACTLY
If it wasn’t for Jim Parsons, this show would have been over after season 1
He's one of the main reasons I never really watched the show. His character is next level cringe and somehow people keep accepting him.
As a much less cringe person myself I know society wouldnt even accept a fraction of his next level insanity. (I know because I am hated and I do not even a feaction of the ride things he does)
But people see it on TV, laugh, thinks nerds are hilarious but then only really associate with people with the same shallow understanding of nerd culture but they still don't accept us... and certainly wont date us.
@@Dan55888 Some people are literally that way. OCD about things, completely just focused on other things that socializing or any social concepts, particular. However it's BECAUSE he's all those things and more is why he was the best person on the show. It gave him room to improve and grow, change. The only other person that improved themselves was Howard, and that's only because he had finally gotten a girlfriend and then married. From the beginning to the end of the series, them, along with probably Penny are the ones that had any growth and change as a character.
It's like when you watch HIMYM. Barney was interesting because he had the character that was most likely to change and grow. Ted was the same, in fact he was planning to sabotage a wedding just because he didn't like Robin marrying Barney, which was worse probably.
Not Sheldon. Jim Parsons. He has a name
LotR trilogy runtimes:
Theatrical: 9 hours 17 minutes
Extended: 11 hours 22 minutes
"Almost 11 hours" is a little liberal for Sheldon to describe 9 hours, and 11h22m is *over* 11 hours.
The writers really just wanted to make a "LotR is long" joke. They actually have no idea how to write for intelligent people.
This is actually a great example why the jokes in the show so often fall flat for me. Because they're all under the premise of those characters being "geeky" or "smart" but it is all so blatantly fake. It reminds me of the joke where someone says "guess who did X?" and Sheldon replies "Mohammad Lee" because he couldn't possibly guess the answer so he just took the most frequent first name and surname of the world and combined them. Which I guess is funny enough but that is so blatantly unscientific thinking - especially someone like Sheldon should be very aware that that reasoning is nonsense because while these may be the most frequently used names individually, their combined use would statistically be comically small and it would make much more sense to use the most frequently appearing combination of names (maybe even limited to the us instead of the world).
They want to sell us that someone like Sheldon who is stooped up to his hair line in the world of academia and supposed to be super smart and precise and all that, would argue such a nonsensical point and there are dozens of examples like this. They had their premise but just didn't want to put in the work to actually follow through with it in their character writing.
@@Agnes1322
Exactly! That's a great example.
They needed writers like Futurama.
Are you aware that you are exactly the clichés persons that the show make fun of ? If you were a little more chilled out, maybe you could have enjoyed the show :/
The worst episode is the one where all the jokes were flat and the laugh track was playing every 10 seconds.
I think i remember that *one* episode.
*episodes
*coughs in 12 season
That means none of the episodes were bad 😁
I remember watching these eps when they came out. felt at the time the show was supposed to wrap up and then someone decided to keep going and the writers struggled to connect themselves with what they were doing from that point on
One thing that really bothers me with this wedding episode is rather than focusing on the moment when Leonard and Penny are pronounced husband and wife we instead watch Amy and Sheldon fight with Amy storming off and Leonard and Penny saying they are officially married. Basically they got married off screen and their wedding was overshadowed by Sheldon and Amy's drama. I feel both Sheldon and Amy's wedding and Howard and Bernadette's wedding were given more respect than both Leonard and Penny's weddings because there was no drama and jokes involved, plus they got married during season finales to cap off the seasons on big events while Leonard and Penny got married in season premieres.
Through the show Penny was:
1) Slutshamed by Sheldon
2) Harassed by Howard
3) Coerced into apologising Howard for calling him off for harrassing her
4) Repeatedly mocked by everyone for not being formally educated
5) Cheated on by leonard (who further got mad at her for being upset about it)
6) Guilted into having a child even though she didn't want it.
1. Is deserved, nothing wrong with slutshaming.
6. She wasn’t guilted into having a baby.
Penny was a terrible person
@@GFBSTPPI Slutshaming is wrong and un-deserving for anyone and she was guilted by Leonard and Bernadette into having a child. She was the least terrible (main) character in the show.
@@soggyflipp1810 Women should be ashamed of being sl*ts. The fact that women are not shamed anymore is one of the main reasons why the world is the way it is in this day and age.
If you only look one side then you will only that side you want to see. That's what we called as biased. Not only that your point is viewed from one direction but point number 6 is just plain lies
Even I could do the same if I view it from one direction
1) Penny constantly use the guy for free food and wifi
2) Invite her ex to stay at her place without consulting her boyfriend
3) Is a literal slut for flirting with doctors to sell her medicine
4) tries to fail Leonard's plan to have baby with zach eventhough she's the one who refuse to have baby with Leonard in the first place.
My least favorite episode has always been when Sheldon intentionally tortures Leonard with the itchy sweater. I just found the episode too mean spirited
I hated that one too. We know Sheldon is a self centered jerk but that just showed he was a mean spirited jerk too.
It reminds me of the episode when they get a table and Sheldon is being his usual self and in the end he gets his way and the show treats that as something the audience should be happy about!
I thought that was funny, as Leonard was trying to make a point himself, and they both ended up competing. We all know Sheldon is a self-centred jerk.
I must give credit where credit is done.
This episode perfectly represent how a person with an internal "tick" feels like.
If you have a tick you can't release due to external circumstances you can't control, you get the same, painfully "icky" sensation in your inside.
Every time I see that episode ending I have to go look up the scene where Leonard slaps Sheldon.
Season 6 was the last well written season of Leonard and Penny's relationship. It was understandable for Penny to reject his proposals, but after the agreement that she proposes when she's ready, Leonard rejecting her proposals were unnecessary. Them getting engaged sucked. More importantly the later seasons the writers just milked their relationship for dysfunctionality for the humor, which sucked.
I always liked the way Leonard never let his nerdiness affect his confidence. He has a long list of girlfriends in the series other than Penny - Prya, Stephanie, Leslie, as well as Alice, the old rich lady, And others. I really wanted to see an episode where Penny wanted a relationship with him & he turns her down saying something like “I’ve been chasing you for years & watching you reject me for other handsome guys - and I’m just tired!”
I’ve bet people forget these types of things are rooted in a type of realism and sometimes your dream girl can also be your biggest headache and vice versa
How can anyone like The Wheaton Recurrence more than this? While this two-parter was lacking in the jokes, the earlier episode felt way more depressing since the breakup was manipulated by Wheaton to win a bowling tournament. While Leonard and Penny WERE having some arguments, they may have worked through them without breaking up if he hadn't interfered. At least the problems in these episodes came about more naturally.
Wil Wheaton just expedited the process. Penny's commitment issues and Leonard's constant comments and badgering would have destroyed the relationship beyond repair. If anything, Wil might have actually saved their relationship even though that was not his intention what so ever.
In reality, this relationship would never have worked. Too many separations, few common interests... It's excessive romanticization. It's the same phenomenon as in Sex and the city, big and Carry. SJP said it herself "the writers made it work but in reality it was a relationship doomed to failure from the start", same illness for Penny and Leonard
Welll it is just a TV show and a sitcom so realism is not a real issue. How many women would want a husband who only has sex with her once a year on her birthday ala Amy and Sheldon. In fact someone like Sheldon in real life would probably never be married.
Well, this gave me the inspiration to rewatch the best wedding episode of all time, "Jake & Amy" from Brooklyn 99.
I was always a bigger fan of Sheldon and Amy's relationship and never bought Leonard and Penny as a couple, but even I felt bad for fans of the couple about how terrible L&P's wedding was. I feel like most of Leonard and Penny's big moments were bad: when Penny tells Leonard she loves him for the first time, it's a sweet moment, but it's in a totally forgettable and not well-written episode. When Penny and Leonard get engaged, it's only after she decides to quit acting, and it feels like she's settling for the next best thing by finally agreeing to marry Leonard. Even their re-do wedding isn't great. There have definitely been couples in other shows/movies who weren't written very well but the acting makes up for it, and I've never felt that way with Leonard & Penny: their actors have no chemistry to salvage the bad writing of their relationship. I always felt the best writing on this show (in terms of romantic plots) was saved for Sheldon and Amy's relationship.
the misogyny expressed through the characters makes every episode the worst episode. it's a pity, the series would have been great
lol so fragile
@@SohamMehta-bg3ds ikr she's stupid and fragile lol
I haven't watched The Big Bang Theory in years, but I think it's one of the rare instances of the cynicism of Two and a Half Men rubbing off on to the show. Ever since Charlie Sheen's departure and Angus T. Jones getting older and more critical of the show, it took on a darker sense of humor, with Alan going from being a bit of a nerdy doormat but a great dad that was simply handed a bad hand in life to being a selfish leech that takes advantage of the people around him and it feels like they don't even like him. The Big Bang Theory is generally a more light-hearted show outside of a few outdated episodes, but this is one of the rare times it was just as cynical as Two and a Half Men without any sense of comedy.
Whatever your feelings towards these two as a couple is - I think we can all agree that this idea was really bottom of the barrel.
The idea of Leonard cheating on Penny was a completely WTF moment for me along with them impulsively deciding to go get married in Vegas. Is the idea of that some sort of “undo the damage/memory of Penny pulling that drunken wedding with Zack” or some shit?
The overall vibe of the episode is just this cocktail of giddy optimism with so much uncomfortable tension…
It’s sad and I get that a big part of their relationship is both of their insecurities when it comes to being together and feeling like they are good enough for each other - Penny emotionally and intelligence-wise + Leonard emotionally/psychologically and aesthetically - but honestly I wished they had pulled over at some hotel/motel, talked it all as painful as it would have been, gotten on the same page (maybe decide to see a counselor too), and drive back to Pasadena first thing in the morning.
Yes, for me it was a WTF moment too. Especially, since Leonard was proud of Penny in that very same trip when he shares with the rest of the crew the movie she was in "She's my GF I swwar to god".
The show has a weird hatred towards women and femininity in general tbh...
and the amount of times that the female characters had to apologize for defending themselves -__-
For some weird reason, Penny stopped being fun at some point. I don't know when it was, it wasn't when she got together with Leonard, it was closer to when they got engaged. I stopped watching soon after.
I think it's somewhere around season 7 when she quits working at The Cheesecake Factory, or at latest at the very beginning of season 8 when Penny begins working as a pharmaceuticals sales rep. Basically, Penny becoming more mature and career-oriented somehow means she no longer has any of her sense of fun left.
I used to love this show, the early seasons are pretty good imo, mostly because of Sheldon. But the last seasons are actually unwatchable, to the point I still have no idea how the show ends
Same. To this day, I've never watched the last 2 or 3 seasons.
Sheldon and Amy receive a Nobel Prize after Leonard makes him feel shitty about being excited to have gotten a huge recognition for his and Amy's work. It's mainly because Penny was pregnant and didn't want to spoil the mood, and Sheldon was accused of being unsympathetic because, as Leonard should know, social concepts like that fly over Sheldon's head. He generally makes him feel like crap because Sheldon wasn't expressing out of shock happiness that Penny was pregnant. Literally the day before Sheldon and Amy were going to receive the Nobel Prize. The show literally just ends with them eating lunch in their apt.
@@DarkEclipse23 😂 thanks for synopsis man! You just reminded me one of the worst things throughout the entire show: The eating scenes! I know it usually takes multiple takes to shot a scene and they cant be eating all day, but goddamn it, the way they just played with their food was annoying. anyway thanks, guess I didnt miss much
The real reason was Johnny Galecki (Leonard) and Kaley Cuoco (Penny) were dating in real life but broke up. That affected their scenes together where we couldn't see any more chemistry between Leonard and Penny.
"The problem is there's nothing funny about that." Yeah so it makes sense it was in this show lol
It was a low point. Still, the first few seasons were very watchable.
I wanted Leonard to end up with Alex, Sheldon's assistant, purely because he deserved someone who appreciated him. (And she was hot)
Oh yeah, she was leaps and bounds the most gorgeous.
Literally the most mis-matched couple in sitcom history. Al and Peggy Bundy are more compatible than Leonard and Penny
What bothers me is that Penny slept with Raj and eventually everyone got over that. Yet, Leonard kissing another woman is the worst thing he could do?
They technically didn’t sleep together.
No one else knew that. So to everyone's mind, including Leonard's, she slept with him.
Penny fell asleep, half-clothed with Raj . Get your facts straight. And Leonard was banging Raj's sister , just next door . Penny and Lenny weren't together at that point . But Leonard kissed another girl while dating Penny . He also kissed the comic nerd girl while dating Priya . He has a cheating streak , he always did . Get your facts straight.
Leonard and Penny weren't dating when she slept with Raj. However, he was when he kissed the other woman
I don't understand how there are so many "every episode is the worst" comments, like, do you keep watching a show even after you think its bad? lol
Like, what a way to waste your time😂
They want to appear edgy.
I was thinking the same thing, like ok then, move onto a show you actually like 😂
The worst episode was the egg salad one for me. Imagine having THE REGINA KING to be on your show and you reduce her into a slave joke.
I mean she was on a few episodes to be fair. All I know is Riley would’ve had none of that shit
I'm not a fanboy but I watch the show in a rotation of my comfy show while I work. I really hate it when the writers made the choice of have a character explain the jokes after the punchlines in like season 4 or 5 onward, like I'm chuckling and have to stop for the explanation, I'm convinced some exec made the "your show is too smart" or some bullshit.
One of my least favorite episodes is the end when Sheldon get the Nobel (?) end everyone tries to boycott for no fucking reason, like as much as you could had been offended, you stomach it and go on with your friend, then figure it out afterwards but nooooooooooooooooo, all the episode tension comes from the good guys being assholes for no justifiable reason.
I think it's more jarring that he acted that way. By the last two seasons or so he seemed to have learned to reign it in with his friends. I was really surprised he reverted to being an insensitive jerk all of a sudden.
The worst was the one that penny wons a spa day, and she so mean with Leonard, and ends up getting an agreement from Sheldon
Love that you’re posting more consistently and frequently! Great content too!
Worst episode is where Sheldon shows up
Sitcom weddings never got better than the two-part Cheers episode on Woody and Kelly's episode.
true, lenny and penny wedding gave the anti climax feeling, I also felt the same with the final episode
Worst episode for me is probably The Romance Recalibration from season 10. I found Penny so unlikeable in this episode. She had the nerve to tell Leonard he is taking her for granted and that Leonard hasn't been trying anymore since they got married, when it's actually the other way around, and then the writers have Leonard go and apologize to her later on for saying he has been making effort more than her since day one rather than having him stand his ground. Granted Leonard isn't perfect with his relationship with Penny either but I feel he takes responsibility for his actions and learns his lesson while Penny doesn't.
Now do Sheldon vs Chandler vs Barney vs Charlie
It was really annoying how Leonard and Penny never really worked as a couple. Even their dialogues repeated that, they were always saying things like "Well we're only together because we had no better choice" or something like that.
You can never really trust Chuck Lior and Company to create a decisive conclusion/solutions to their own build ups. It usually if not always ends in a gag.
The worst episode for me was on the train when they sexually harassed Summer Glau. It was disgusting, creepy, and really uncomfortable.
It’s interesting I didn’t realise this show was so critiqued, I’ve been rewatching a bit and much is very jarring now, and I can see it’s totally a show about nerds not written by nerds, but I’d argue it still has heart and the writers and audience aren’t consistently laughing AT the characters without respect. But a lot deserved better and should’ve been better: penny should not have had to apologise for standing up to Howard, there’s a scene where Leonard goes to sell all his beloved ‘nerd’ stuff for penny which Penny shouldn’t have encouraged, RAJ deserved better. I love sheldon and amy but in the real world I think it would’ve been great is sheldon was asexual/aromantic. Someone should’ve been gay !! It’s weirdly traditional, with them all ending up very traditionally married and with kids. There’s a lot of outdated misogyny, fat jokes, etc that just so painfully show the show is written by men. But I won’t deny there’s a reason why it’s been so successful, but yes there’s a LOT of poor attitudes expressed in it and it would’ve benefitted from a real ‘nerd’ or two in the writing room so some of the jokes could have had layers
The notion that Leonard was trying to "sabotage" the wedding is a theme throughout multiple episodes, but I don't see it. To me, he was simply trying to cleanse his conscience over feelings of guilt. For someone who consistently lied to Penny during their courtship, this dangerous act of honesty was, I think, a self-liberating act.
How did he get every episode into a 8 min video?
I don't think this is the worst episode.
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Is it me or even the photography of the episode looks dark and depressing?
it was dumb to drive to Vegas when they could of just went to a court house in the morning...
This video reminds me of the biggest problem I have with the typical sitcom. "We need to have conflict between these characters but we also don't want to change anything too much." The idea of a season ending cliffhanger annoys me because they go out of their way to put them on the cliff, and then go "Aren't you scared they're going to fall." ... Sometimes it's well done but stuff like this is purposefully set up just so they CAN have a cliff hanger. These characters are already well defined 9 seasons in, but to just go back to "Relationship problems" for the cliffhanger is just revisiting an old punching bag at this point.
The big bang theory is my second favorite TV show of all time as ultimate comfort food for when I don't need to watch breaking bad or my favorite TV show mad men over and over again. So as a massive fan this episode blew, your right now it blew.
Boy did the makers of this video are overthinking this !
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The worst episode is when everybody is getting into arguements and Sheldon can't get away from all the screaming. It is one of the few times you feel sorry for Sheldon. When Penny calls Leonard a pop tart is one of the best scenes. You can't have that without a little drama.
If you don't just focus on Penny not being well educated or knowledgable about facts and being kind of a mess when it came to organization, I think the Penny character showed the contrast to the brainy characters of a person with a high emotional IQ and an empathic personality.
They should’ve stopped when they started moving on with their lives after their marriages and having children
I personally stopped watching before the last few seasons for that exact reason. At a certain point, it was just the script writing itself about what adults are supposed to do, and there's nothing exceptionally quirky or humorous about that.
Parsons and the celebrity cameos are what kept this show afloat. Rhe best elisode has to be when Mark Hamill cameoed at Sheldons wedding.
Anyone know what the background songs are?
All of the additional characters didn't add anything to the show. I also don't like how ragesh was an undefined character only here to be made fun of.
Surprised the worst episode isn't the fortnite one
Thevmost shocking thing to me is, why would anyone watch a sitcom for 12 years.
Especially THAT one...
Mindboglling
Or somebody who doesn’t like the show to watch UA-cam videos about it... 🙄
@@moonbattThe same logic could be applied here. If you don’t like his opinion, simply ignore it.
@@SUPSTERV You’re right, and I usually do. I just see so many comments on these videos saying the show sucks, and I wonder why all these people who hate it keep watching the clips.
what bothered me the most about the set up for the Shamy break up was that in fact he asked her an important question to him, something that he wanted her help with. it might have been ill-timed but he did want her thoughts on it...something he wouldn't have asked the others. She then breaks up with him and yes while Sheldon is being a butt during the break so is she, yet the audience and the other cast are supposed to side more with may who is, to some degree, just as guilty. and then, when Sheldon doesn't take her back at first he I painted as being 'wrong'
The last time I laughed at this show was when Sheldon was trying to get to Mars so he thought he'd make a funny video and gave Leonard some peanut brittle can. It clearly looked like a snake in a can, so he opened it... looked and said, "I don't get it... there's just peanut brittle in here...." and Sheldon hits him in the face with a creme pie. Honestly the last funny moment. The rest after that seemed like when someone brings their girlfriend over and suddenly guys night centers around the girls instead. I always hate when I'm that one in my guy's life, so I tend to avoid hanging out with my bf's friends when it's clear they want a guys' night out. :)
Her apt number is 314. Cool pi.
Chuck Lorre is a jazz musician and jazz often delves deeply into tension to the point of uncomfortable. The uncomfortable makes the resolution all the more satisfying. I enjoyed the uncharacteristic uncertainty as a nice change of pace from the formulaic 🤷🏿♂️
are you calling him a jazz musician as a metaphor or is chuck lorre actually a jazz musician?
@@kjmusic99 he's an accomplished guitarist... I'm a guitar nerd so I remembered that random fact from dvd special features
They should just had them not get married in that episode saying their doubts make them unsure, and then seeing that their friends need them at the moment, and the episode could've ended with them helping Amy and Sheldon, and ended on a happier note
For me the worst episode is where Leonard and the guys go to see a bully of Leonard's High Scool years and he never changes... it's just soooo pointless.🤷🏻♂️
BBT is just millennial Friends.. Ross and Rachel were annoying enough.
ross saying rachel. just saying😔
One of the problems for me is by this this point in the show the show runners seemed to be making it all about Sheldon and Amy which I didn’t like because Amy hasn’t been there since the beginning.
It also felt extremely offputting to me seeing Sheldon eith a girlfriend. They couldve just kept him asexual.
When people say "an episode was bad", they usually mean they hated something. It makes the memory more powerful. This episode really was that feeling. "Bad" episodes need something to hate. The "Makeup wedding" to me really was a fix for that and so I accept it as the premise of "it was always the plan" since BBT once a 3 year renewal (unheard of!) and probably wanted to take advantage of it.
For me the episode I hated the most was the one where Leonard's bully in high school shows up. And then later on we find out that Leonard's high school bully was Sheldon's father.
Um what?
@@DaDARKPassthe same actor played both bully for Leonard and father for Sheldon in the spin-off show “Young Sheldon”
I watched every single episode of BBT when they aired. But looking back I am not sure I actually enjoyed the show. Towards the later half of the show lost its charm and became more like a chore to watch. It was as if the writers were running out of ideas for at least half the casts and just tried to find excuses to extend the show past its intended end. These 2 episodes might have been the start of that downward trend
I loved the b plot very much because it has made sheldon to consider amy's feeling for the first time which is very important for that couple
Penny also violated Leonard’s family boundaries.
I’m do not see my family,
My mother is cruel and abusive,
She awful, that’s why we didn’t invite her.
She thinks it’d be a good idea and forces him to do it.
It’s the same in how I met your mother when the good guy, Marshall invites lily’s family to their wedding.
I’m like Lilly/Leonard no contact with my family.