It works the exact same way in the actual Pokémon TCG, so people who have played that, know about it already since a lot of pokemon have such attack effects. As for using the fossils, people underestimate them a lot, but I love em.
More than half of the players have never played TCG before but Pocket has such short battles so they don't lose attention quickly like most people do with video games nowadays. Most people will probably get mad about it but whatever. I like to be cool and give everyone a thanks after a battle unless they start adding energies and playing with their bench when they could just KO me and win. That's a no thanks situation.
Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't Starmie be better for this role than Leafy-boi? Same damage, same energy cost, no retreat cost, no negative on the attack, higher HP, also stage 1; the only detriment being that Starmie is an EX, but in a deck where there's only 2 pokemon anyway, that doesn't seem to matter, am I wrong?
The same kind of thing happens with Togekiss. If you use the attack, but then get sabrina/cyrus out on your opponents turn and then retreat the new active and move togekiss back up on the next turn you still deal the base 60 damage. the more you know
Nice shout out to Raven. Credit where credit's due. Appreciate upfront honesty. A pleasure to sub to your channel, Xen. Enjoy your creativity. Best wishes, brother.
@@siyatshaheb5532 Yeah apparently Bidoofs attack doesn’t actually count as an attack more so an effect. So it can freely attack Rocket Helmet users ignoring the drawback while also cutting their HP in half. Bidoof is a menace.
@@EmeralBookwise unfortunately not, I had the same thought so I tested it out. As long as there is a number value indicating damage in the text it counts as a “physical” attack.
Can confirm it does also work with torterra. Leaf and a xspeed make the retreat cost work out even if you are only on 4th and 5th energy. I found that adding 1 Aerodactyl and communication helps to get my pieces
Hi Xatumi! This fossil retreat tech will be remembered. I'm sure in future, there might be something that has attack enough to one shot everything but can't attack next turn. Once that happen, I hope you make video on that as your redemption arc
I knew this interaction from Vulpix using Growl to try and stop damage. So satisfying. But I would have never thought to pair Leafeon with 20 fossils. That's maximum cheese lol
this deck feels so dirty. playing it for too long starts to feel gross. but right after losing to a 10 heads misty flip, this deck helps me vent for a round or two. lmao
I dig the concept but if I want a non-ex stage 1 with a 2 energy 90 damage attack I think Ninetales is still just better. You don't get Erika but you get 1 shot by a lot anyhow. Plus you get access to Blaine and don't have to run fossils in your deck just to be able to attack multiple turns in a row, so you have space to play useful trainer cards or a Rapidash line for additional Blaine attackers. And you can do so with just commons and uncommons
@jprec5174 That's very fair, though you're still using another card to do that effectively. I should say I do think Leafeon has utility in more normal decks, where you aren't relying on it as the only attacker and pivoting back into itself with this fossil tech. I think the slots taken by the fossils could easily go to another pokemon and it would be more effective. Vespiquen actually really sounds like an ideal partner to me, especially given Combee's attack
@ i dont have comms but this deck is more prone to bricking than other trainer decks. It really needs a wall like regular exeggutor so you can set up a leafeon or other aggro mons like fetch because i played multiple games where leafeon did not show up at all.
Interesting interaction, but makes total sense. Wonder if Raven figured it out straight away or got his Leafeon Sabrina'd (or backrow Cyrus'd) which gave him the idea :P Another idea is you could run a single og Aero which would let you run Communication to fetch Leafeon (and maybe use Aero if needed) without sacrificing the guaranteed Eevee.
They need to fix this so that the status actually carries over to the next round no matter what. This also affects Togakiss with Overdrive Smash. It says "During your next turn, this Pokemon's Overdrive Smash does +60 damage." If your opponent forces a switch after you've used Overdrive Smash, but you manage to swap back to Togakiss during your next turn (as stated on the card) it should do the +60 damage, but it doesn't.
It's a nice loophole find. Thats the benefit if someone were to make a Eeveelution deck for fun. But Starmie EX, ninetails etc, are just the way to go.
I’ll be honest, I didn’t think about it in terms of this game, but the new eevelution ex cards in the full TCG game have a similar interaction, and it works the same in the full game!
Torterra card says it cannot use it's skill, so i think it's not status condition, not 100% sure but at least it's worded differently and does not say you can't attack.
Does Lum Berry work the same way. The attack debuff is considered a condition, can you simply use Lum Berry to remove your own debuffs? Cause I want a reason to run Torterra
I love running fossil Pokemon. It forces you to streamline the rest of your mons in the deck to one Pokemon line, but you're rewarded with a guaranteed specific basic Pokemon in your starting hand. Only thing I don't like is that if you draw both basics early, Pokeball becomes a brick. I'm about to swap one of my PokeBalls with a Communications and see how that works.
That’s an official rule for the official card game if you check the rule book. So it’s not a bug or anything in pocket, that’s just how it works, kind of weird but I didn’t make the rules
Hey so like, not to be that guy, cause this is a sweet deck idea, but if you're only playing two pokemon in the whole game, don't you lose the advantage of having these leafeon being only 1 prize point? You still lose when both of your actual pokemon get knocked out. Why not just play a deck with 2 Starmie EX? It also attacks for 90 for two energy and has more HP, has free retreat and doesn't need to run random fossils to attack twice in a row. I feel like we went into the lab, cooked up something spicy, but turns out we just invented a slightly different,, but worse instant ramen.
So that means that Torterra has the same tech, interesting... the thing is that the 4 energy Torterra requires is quite detrimental, and using Serperior would be quite hard to fit, both Pokemon lines and fossils.
@alzathsweich non ex starmie and misdreavus (kinda) as well When your trainers don't come to let you retreat for free, you lose an energy like ninetales Which isn't an issue since you can just reload it for the turn
I feel like Starmie EX is strictly better. No retreat cost, way more HP and basically does the same as leafeon but without any drawbacks. You could argue that leafeon is grass type but it doesn't one shot Darkrai anyway, and since you only play 2 pokemon you don't care about giving 2 points per KO.
this deck seems on par with the blaine combo with 90 for 2 ninetales, it just has erika and not blaine, and no 3rd mon. i'm looking for darkrai counters, so ig i'll try it why not
It's not even all that powerful of an exploit when contrasted against Ninetales, which is also a stage-1 that does 90 damage for two energy. Yes, Ninetales has to discard an energy every time it attacks, but effectively Leafeon is doing the same thing every time it retreats, on top of needing to discard the fossil afterwards to bring Leafeon back into to play. Also, yes, the cost of that retreat can be mitigated with other trainer cards, but unlike Ninetales, Leafon will never do more than 100 damage with a Giovani, whereas Ninetales can pop all the way up to 120 the Blaine.
Compared to Starmie EX its actually weaker but: -Its not EX -Eeve a1b is better than staryu -Grass is a better offensive typing in the darkrai metagame. Starmie doesnt have retreat cost and hits the same, also has misty, but water isnt the type with advantage. So yeah its interesting. Charizard is back do
If Lefeon Haymaker works, then so does Ninetails if you think about it. Vulpix/Ninetails/16 trainer, except that you don't need the fossils and can run Blaine instead of Erika and a full suite of other stuff like Sabrina, Gary, whatever. Lol
With torterra this also work, but its not that great being a stage 2 with 4 energy to attack, nice deck i wish i could use it but i have no leafeon :'(
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It works the exact same way in the actual Pokémon TCG, so people who have played that, know about it already since a lot of pokemon have such attack effects. As for using the fossils, people underestimate them a lot, but I love em.
More than half of the players have never played TCG before but Pocket has such short battles so they don't lose attention quickly like most people do with video games nowadays. Most people will probably get mad about it but whatever. I like to be cool and give everyone a thanks after a battle unless they start adding energies and playing with their bench when they could just KO me and win. That's a no thanks situation.
They need to add more deck slots in this game I don't have any space to make new decks.
Agreed. I'm also starting to think the deck size should be 30.
Facts! i was complaining about this when it was just genetic apex 😂😅
What works for me is saving the decks in a builder online like exburst so I can remake them whenever instead of losing a deck entirely to open a slot
Real
Absolutely. I've been using binders to save deck ideas. lot of manual work but better than forgetting
Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't Starmie be better for this role than Leafy-boi? Same damage, same energy cost, no retreat cost, no negative on the attack, higher HP, also stage 1; the only detriment being that Starmie is an EX, but in a deck where there's only 2 pokemon anyway, that doesn't seem to matter, am I wrong?
Not wrong at all - this is just a downgrade of Starmie EX. But it’s fun and flavorful👍🏽
but its also an ex pokemon so 1 point vs 2 i guess
@@Xatumibut u only have 2 pokemons lmao so it dont matter if its 2 or 1 …. 😂😂😂😂
But when you’re only playing 2-Pokemon that doesn’t matter, right?
Yeah the 1 possible point isn't worth the downgrade from Starmie. It's cute, but it's just extra steps.
The same kind of thing happens with Togekiss. If you use the attack, but then get sabrina/cyrus out on your opponents turn and then retreat the new active and move togekiss back up on the next turn you still deal the base 60 damage. the more you know
I don't like the way this works. Pretty annoying interaction imo
The fossil retreat tech is also useful to clear burn, poison and confusion
Who knew the best thing about fossils isnt the pokemon lol
@@jprec5174 That's only because they can't be tutored yet once they can be I think Rampardos could be a meta contender
This deck is a 3 Dimond or less deck correct?
If so i found my new challenge beating deck.
Nice shout out to Raven. Credit where credit's due. Appreciate upfront honesty. A pleasure to sub to your channel, Xen. Enjoy your creativity. Best wishes, brother.
FINALLY, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A LEAFEON DECK FOR SO LONG!!!
I didn’t know this at all. So dope. Did you know Bidoof bypasses the counter effect from Rocky Helmet & Drudigon?
Did not know!
No way...for real?
@@siyatshaheb5532 Yeah apparently Bidoofs attack doesn’t actually count as an attack more so an effect. So it can freely attack Rocket Helmet users ignoring the drawback while also cutting their HP in half. Bidoof is a menace.
@@BlckGsus: Would the same apply to Pokémon like Electabuz and Honchkrow, whose damage is similarly part of their effect text?
@@EmeralBookwise unfortunately not, I had the same thought so I tested it out. As long as there is a number value indicating damage in the text it counts as a “physical” attack.
13:15 Mewtwo player was soooo shocked they "accidently" hit the concede button! LOL 😂😭
I would have never thought about this in a million years. I guess this would also work for Torterra except it has such a high retreat cost.
Can confirm it does also work with torterra. Leaf and a xspeed make the retreat cost work out even if you are only on 4th and 5th energy. I found that adding 1 Aerodactyl and communication helps to get my pieces
What does torterra do again?
@alzathsweich 150 damage, but can't attack next turn. Like Leafeon.
You can try one TORTERRA line plus one SERPERIOR line to offset the high retreat cost, but then that leaves you screwed when TORTERRA dies early on.
@@helloimthegrowthsman6382 it would definitely be a very challenging deck to pilot.
This is how it works in the official tcg too. Its also why Genesect/Mew was the BDIF for a while.
The real TCG works like this too, working as intended. Lost Origin Comfey used to scoop and retreat like 4 times a turn for crazy draw and discard.
I might have to get into the official tcg too then
Same if Togekiss retreats or get bounced back by Brina you lose your atk buff. Saddest moment of my life
Leafeon is essentially ninetales that uses fossils as a blaine.
and deals less damage because blaine adds 30
@@11pk1111 and ninetales burns an energy. In the right deck you can run leafeon and build energy.
"Stinks doesn't it?". This is a deck that Bully Maguire would play 100% 😂
Just has a suggestion for an aggro fighting decklist:
2 Amber fossils, 2 Areodactyl EX, 2 Hitmonlee, 2 Chatot (from the space-time set), 1 Marshaddow, 1 Pokemon Communication, 2 Pokeballs, 2 Research, 2 Rocky helmets, 1 Giant Cloak, 1 X-Speed, and 2 Cyrus.
Hi Xatumi! This fossil retreat tech will be remembered. I'm sure in future, there might be something that has attack enough to one shot everything but can't attack next turn. Once that happen, I hope you make video on that as your redemption arc
Lol its a "having the fun" deck. Nice, keep em coming
anyone who has played the tcg would know this works lol. super spicy and i cant wait to try this.
I knew this interaction from Vulpix using Growl to try and stop damage. So satisfying.
But I would have never thought to pair Leafeon with 20 fossils. That's maximum cheese lol
Didn't know you can do this will try this deck out for sure👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
this deck feels so dirty. playing it for too long starts to feel gross. but right after losing to a 10 heads misty flip, this deck helps me vent for a round or two. lmao
I dig the concept but if I want a non-ex stage 1 with a 2 energy 90 damage attack I think Ninetales is still just better. You don't get Erika but you get 1 shot by a lot anyhow. Plus you get access to Blaine and don't have to run fossils in your deck just to be able to attack multiple turns in a row, so you have space to play useful trainer cards or a Rapidash line for additional Blaine attackers. And you can do so with just commons and uncommons
Nine tales discards energy. Leafeon is better pivoting into itself or another pokemon. Vespqueen could be good
@jprec5174 That's very fair, though you're still using another card to do that effectively. I should say I do think Leafeon has utility in more normal decks, where you aren't relying on it as the only attacker and pivoting back into itself with this fossil tech. I think the slots taken by the fossils could easily go to another pokemon and it would be more effective. Vespiquen actually really sounds like an ideal partner to me, especially given Combee's attack
@ i dont have comms but this deck is more prone to bricking than other trainer decks. It really needs a wall like regular exeggutor so you can set up a leafeon or other aggro mons like fetch because i played multiple games where leafeon did not show up at all.
Interesting interaction, but makes total sense. Wonder if Raven figured it out straight away or got his Leafeon Sabrina'd (or backrow Cyrus'd) which gave him the idea :P
Another idea is you could run a single og Aero which would let you run Communication to fetch Leafeon (and maybe use Aero if needed) without sacrificing the guaranteed Eevee.
still criminal that there is no synergy with lum berry, literally one job smh
Good deck this time. Very tech heavy. Glad u posted this
They need to fix this so that the status actually carries over to the next round no matter what. This also affects Togakiss with Overdrive Smash. It says "During your next turn, this Pokemon's Overdrive Smash does +60 damage."
If your opponent forces a switch after you've used Overdrive Smash, but you manage to swap back to Togakiss during your next turn (as stated on the card) it should do the +60 damage, but it doesn't.
Now, i would never imagine this. But oh godness my mouth just dropped 😂❤
You should actually add Aerodactyl just for primeval law, to ensure that they can't evolve out of range of the leafeon oneshot
It's a nice loophole find. Thats the benefit if someone were to make a Eeveelution deck for fun. But Starmie EX, ninetails etc, are just the way to go.
I’ll be honest, I didn’t think about it in terms of this game, but the new eevelution ex cards in the full TCG game have a similar interaction, and it works the same in the full game!
i now wonder if you could use the lum berry on torterra to avoid the same thing you do here with retreating as its considered a status affect
Torterra card says it cannot use it's skill, so i think it's not status condition, not 100% sure but at least it's worded differently and does not say you can't attack.
Tried it with torterra and doesnt work like thay
I knew we could do this and I've been doing this exact strategy with this exact deck for 10+ years
It’s possible to figure out Leafeon resets since so far retreating has cured every status :) You just have to test it
What if you added in Mew + budding? Or would that just muddy it up?
Could probably throw in a regular aero in the deck for pokemon communication targets and also emergency shuffles 😂
Does lum berry also remove the status?
no ti does not
Does Lum Berry work the same way. The attack debuff is considered a condition, can you simply use Lum Berry to remove your own debuffs? Cause I want a reason to run Torterra
YES! I was experimenting with Koga/Explorer tech that did the same
This tech isn't new to me only because I've played PTCGL. Otherwise I would've never thought of it. Great video and shoutout to Raven!🤙🏽
Yeah Raven's a beast, glad you liked it!
Tried out this deck, 2nd game in & my Eevee spins 5 heads to beat my opponent’s 70 hp Articuno EX with no bench Pokemon.. what a W lol
Would put a stage 1 or 2 luck giver Pokémon card in. Then add the Pokémon Communication for consistency purposes, but it does seen fun
I love running fossil Pokemon. It forces you to streamline the rest of your mons in the deck to one Pokemon line, but you're rewarded with a guaranteed specific basic Pokemon in your starting hand. Only thing I don't like is that if you draw both basics early, Pokeball becomes a brick. I'm about to swap one of my PokeBalls with a Communications and see how that works.
Why bother with any pokeballs if you only run 2 basics...
@vincea1830 Better chance for the other basic I'll need later in the match. Sometimes I won't get the 2nd basic for several turns.
That’s an official rule for the official card game if you check the rule book. So it’s not a bug or anything in pocket, that’s just how it works, kind of weird but I didn’t make the rules
I definitely want to go fully crazy with this once I get a second Leafeon.
Hey so like, not to be that guy, cause this is a sweet deck idea, but if you're only playing two pokemon in the whole game, don't you lose the advantage of having these leafeon being only 1 prize point? You still lose when both of your actual pokemon get knocked out.
Why not just play a deck with 2 Starmie EX? It also attacks for 90 for two energy and has more HP, has free retreat and doesn't need to run random fossils to attack twice in a row.
I feel like we went into the lab, cooked up something spicy, but turns out we just invented a slightly different,, but worse instant ramen.
New to this game, love your videos
Thanks!
Finally, someone made fossils consistent
Who are scaring with amber when they see your running leaf energy lol
So is basically expensive ninetails and without blaine?
but with erika hmmm
Considering it's a "special condition" - would Lum Berry also cure the no attack condition on Leafeon?
No unfortunately it doesn’t we tested
So that means that Torterra has the same tech, interesting... the thing is that the 4 energy Torterra requires is quite detrimental, and using Serperior would be quite hard to fit, both Pokemon lines and fossils.
Starmie does the same but with all these Darkrai decks leafeon cooks, plus its not an ex
The lengths people will go to avoid making a pachirisu deck 😂
Decks like this are why early red card and early mars will make a resurgence
This just feels like ninetales deck with extra steps
Nice
You mean 1 prize card Pikachu? Because it doesn't lose energy and it's a non ex too
@alzathsweich non ex starmie and misdreavus (kinda) as well
When your trainers don't come to let you retreat for free, you lose an energy like ninetales
Which isn't an issue since you can just reload it for the turn
I feel like Starmie EX is strictly better. No retreat cost, way more HP and basically does the same as leafeon but without any drawbacks. You could argue that leafeon is grass type but it doesn't one shot Darkrai anyway, and since you only play 2 pokemon you don't care about giving 2 points per KO.
Someone did this to me using Torterra & Serperior, I was shocked!
as soon as i saw the thumbnail i knew what was coming. not fossils but similar strats are used in the actual pokemon TCG
I might have to get into the real tcg then lol
Looking good!
Now Rhydon'cha try a Fighting deck next? 😉👍🗿🦏
Is the Berry tool usefull? I mean, will it nullify the effect of discarding an energy or can't attacking?
nah doesn’t work
Isn't this just not as good solo starmie? I guess grass is a better weakness right now, but starmie doesn't need to retreat and can use misty
Retreat cost is essentially irrelevant when you only have one low cost pokemon.
this deck seems on par with the blaine combo with 90 for 2 ninetales, it just has erika and not blaine, and no 3rd mon. i'm looking for darkrai counters, so ig i'll try it why not
I wonder if doing this with frenzy plant is viable
If this was an FPS, people would accuse you of cheating. This is quite clever.
It's not even all that powerful of an exploit when contrasted against Ninetales, which is also a stage-1 that does 90 damage for two energy. Yes, Ninetales has to discard an energy every time it attacks, but effectively Leafeon is doing the same thing every time it retreats, on top of needing to discard the fossil afterwards to bring Leafeon back into to play. Also, yes, the cost of that retreat can be mitigated with other trainer cards, but unlike Ninetales, Leafon will never do more than 100 damage with a Giovani, whereas Ninetales can pop all the way up to 120 the Blaine.
Will your only card disappear from your pokedex if you trade it?
what pack is leafon in ?
Feels like play Goblin Attack Force with Final Attack Orders.
I did not know, that's so funny. Meme decks rejoice, this one's pretty strong.
Wouldn't Starmie ex 18T be better since you have 2 pokemon anyways?
Wouldn't double starmee EX be just a better version of this?
I can't get this to work...all I pull are support and trainer cards???
this looks so fun
wish I have lefeon already 😢
Then won't carrying one fossil counter confusion of mismagius?
Compared to Starmie EX its actually weaker but:
-Its not EX
-Eeve a1b is better than staryu
-Grass is a better offensive typing in the darkrai metagame.
Starmie doesnt have retreat cost and hits the same, also has misty, but water isnt the type with advantage.
So yeah its interesting. Charizard is back do
You can do the same thing with Starmie Ex right? It should be better, yes its an Ex but way more resistent, and you don't need X speed
So without the X Speed, you need to discard an energy to retreat for 90 damage. Isn't this just Ninetales with extra steps?
If Lefeon Haymaker works, then so does Ninetails if you think about it.
Vulpix/Ninetails/16 trainer, except that you don't need the fossils and can run Blaine instead of Erika and a full suite of other stuff like Sabrina, Gary, whatever. Lol
Would this work with starmie ex hmm..
With torterra this also work, but its not that great being a stage 2 with 4 energy to attack, nice deck i wish i could use it but i have no leafeon :'(
Ok ok ok, this tech BUT with TORTERRA
I'm just curious, what's with lefeon over starmie? I mean starmie also have 90 damage. Dont hate me, please enlighten me
omg i need to build this deck .. straight trollin lmao
So it is like a grass Ninetails that sacks cards and energy.
Fun tech, but this is just Ninetails with extra steps lol.
Could you try this deck:
2 Uxie
2 Azelf
2 Mesprit
2 Giratina
1 Mew Ex
2 Pokeballs
2 Profesors research
2 X-speed
1 Giant Cape
1 Budding Explorer
1 Cyrus
2 Dawns
Before he said fossil, I was thinking Giratina with free retreat.
Well no. U can rerteat once per turn
@BuNnyDuDeDaRoO ah, didn't know that. Thanks.
Does anyone else think this was unintended? This is so nasty
Very kool build might need to try it out
What about the berry item?
Isn't this the same as ninetales? You would have to ramp energy on Leafeon for retreat anyway.
erika works in this deck?
Couldn’t you use lum berry as well?
doesnt work sadly
This is a super cool interaction, but isn't it just Starmie EX with extra steps?
Could also uses mew with buddy, I knew about the fossil with potions and other situations, but not with leafon
@Xatumi have you experimented with this deck using Lum berry tool? 👀
yeah doesnt work
Yeah I just finally got a second copy of Leafeon and tested it out would have been even more cracked 🤣
When will get a pokeflute for our pokemon, deck like this will be more consistent