The Gun the SIG P320 was Meant to Be
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- I prefer the original P320
No the original P320
Perfection
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Don't feel bad, they've happened to me a few times
>At friends apartment at college.
>Just bought my first pistol from a gun show (I was 18)
>Drinking with friends
>Show them my new Jericho
>Try to manually decock
>Thumb slips on hammer, ND into celling Upstairs neighbors too high and drunk (underage and illegal drugs) to call the police.
Second time
>At range
>Showing friend pistol
>Think gun is unloaded
>Point at ground show him how to wrack and pull the trigger.
>Forgot loaded mag in
>Shoot between his feet
Third time
>At parents house.
>Just bought a sig from a guy
>Get home
>Try swapping slides with another sig I had
>Forgot the other sig slide was chambered.
>Pull trigger
>Shoot parents wall
Fourth time
>At my new house
>Playing with a friend's 5.56 AK
>Release bolt
>Slam fires round into ground
Fifth time
>Showing a friend how to use it
>No idea how but a round got chambered
>Show him how the trigger works
>Pull trigger
>Shoots round into floor in the same place as before
Sixth time
>Thought maybe the house was haunted
>Grab a sig
>Physically clear it, (racked the slide 3 times) with no magazine in pull trigger at the same hole
>Round goes off
Seventh time
>Friend brings over a used
>Glock wants me to look over it
>I grab it and pull the trigger without clearing it
>Didn't even realize the thing was loaded.
Eighth time
>Friend brings over his transferable Mac 10
>I had no idea how open bolt guns worked.
>He's showing it off to me I put a loaded mag it and decided to try and release the bolt (I thought it shot from a closed bolt)
>Pulled the trigger for some reason
>Shot 3 rounds into my wall
Overall you shouldn't feel too bad about NDs. It's part of owning guns, and you should get used to them
The copy pasta we've all read and dismissed. Thanks k/k
please be a meme please be a meme
I really hope this is satire. NDs are not part of being a gun owner any more than rear ending someone else is a part of car ownership that you should "get used to" or "not feel bad about." Is it going to happen? Absolutely. Should you treat it as no big deal? NO!
Son of a protestant whore man thats a lot of NDs
Never go full retard.
“The p320 is a substantially better gun than the p250, but somehow I like it much less” - Hops excellent writing and bizarre gear preferences in one sentence, love it!
I have two 250s and several 320s and I heartily agree. I don't carry either EDC, but one 250 rides in my church backpack and another in my truck every day. Very low chance of ND and both shoot very straight. The trigger pull is long, but very smooth, like a good revolver. Also, as in the reason one rides in my church backpack, if a child DID get into it, the chance of them firing it is greatly reduced. Overall a safer choice for a handgun of equal or better quality. Just my thoughts and experiences.
That's the main reason Hop has 205k subscribers.
The P320 is prone to one specific failure to function, due to accumulation of fine dust in the striker mechanism, preventing function of the firing pin.
In the P250, that jam is cleared by wiping the dust from the channel the hammer falls in, at the back of the slide.
Clearing that jam from a P320 requires dissasembling the striker module.
That's why the P250 beat the P320 as finalists for adoption by the French Army, a couple of years before the U.S. Army started its M17 pistol trials.
So as a truck gun, I'd for sure go with the P250 over the P320, too!
No, the P320 is not substantially better than the P250. Both are very poorly designed and built poorly as well.
@jaqcp why are taking a backpack to church? Let alone one with a gun inside while around children apparently. Someone needs to investigate this guy and warn his community. Serious pdf vibes
Never stop reviewing old, obsolete firearms from the 1980's-2000's era. Some really interesting stuff came and went in that time.
How is an sig p250 obsolete?
It has a trigger you don’t like?
@@bonsaw57 Umm, I don't know. Maybe it's obsolete because they don't make them anymore, genius.
I completely agree. These are some of my favorite reviews
I've seen a dude make a thousand yard shot with an M1 garand with iron sights.
Impressive, but still an obsolete rifle and platform. Obsolete doesn't mean bad, just that something better is more readily available.
Beretta storm is alive and well with a small cult following.
Hop addressing the camera without sunglasses has total forward facing Simpsons vibes
Or maybe forward facing Phineas and Ferb
Hes a babe magnet, his crotch is probably nonstop sticky.
I openly admit to my ND. It really woke me up and made me take gun safety seriously. I also use it to explain to new shooters that even people they perceive as experienced and safe shooters can, and have, made mistakes.
I was fortunate that no one was around when I ND'd into a coffee table in a basement when I was 16. That one time was enough to humble me and make me realize how seriously I needed to take gun safety. Even 20 years later, I still remember this event and take extra steps to be safe when doing dry-fire or any kind of firearm handling.
Respect for being able to openly admit to an ND, I’ve seen so many unsafe practices that are an ND waiting to happen. I feel like that would be a wake up call to anyone
I've had a couple of "near misses" where I _knew_ the firearm was clear but I didn't double check before doing some administrative handling, only to accidently press the trigger and have my heart drop when I hear it go *click.* Thankfully, there's yet to be a round in the chamber and those few instances have served as a reminder to never be too comfortable/casual handling firearms.
My first ND was when I was 17 and my friend had access to his dad’s guns. I was at his house and he brought out a Jennings 9mm pistol. He handed to me so I could check it out and somehow I ended up dropping it. It fired twice after bouncing off the carpet floor. Two rounds flew through the wall and our ears were ringing. I messed up bad but luckily nothing happened. We could have easily been one of those teenagers often seen on the news that are playing with guns and someone ends up dead. 😅
Ever since that I started learning about guns and gun safety. Started practicing with rifles and even BB guns and got use to checking the chamber and maintaining muzzle awareness. Didn’t touch a real pistol again until I turned 21 and watched UA-cam videos to learn everything I could. Now I’m confident with concealed carry and my gun handling skills are on point. I also keep all my weapons locked up so no one has access to them. For me that’s an important part of firearm safety given what happened when I was a young idiot. I knew nothing about gun safety and that’s a problem. My kids will be thought young. I already started them off with gel blasters.
One last thing. In my defense of that ND is that Jennings 9mm pistol has a reputation for being a piece of 💩. As soon as I researched it I learned about drop safety early which is why I only trust and carry Glock, Walther, or H&K pistols 😂. I do own an Sig P365xl but would never trust carrying a p320 appendix just based off its reputation whether true or not.
@@AR-vd3pb I have never had an ND, but when I was like 9-10 years old a friend of mine was over at my place and found one of the dozens of guns we had lying around the house (I lived in a highly armed household, think 1-2 guns per room) it was the old .45 M&P that came out like pre Obama. I was trained in firearms safety from a really young age, but my friend was not and immediately picked that shit up and started pointing it around. I told him to put it down and he didn't listen but then my dad heard us and came downstairs screaming at my friend and calling him all lists of names (Moron, retard, the likes). In hindsight this is definitely on my dad for leaving all the guns around knowing other children were going to be over, but at the time I agreed with him. My dad then kicked the kid out and almost had to fight that kids dad over the whole situation.
My cousin still pretends he didn't shoot a hole through hood of his truck and through the garage door into the neighborhood. With an AR15
Federal Air Marshal Service tried to adopt the P250 in mid-2010. Complete failure. Light primer strikes, failure to feed, failure to extract, double feeds. About 40% of the guns had reliability issues. FAMS management tried to wish the problems away, but there were to many to overcome. After a couple of months, the P250 was abandoned. A couple of years later, some folks got in trouble for this even forcing the director to resign.
Came here to say this.
I'd like to read more on this- can you post a link to a credible source? thnx
@@bikeracerdudepersonal experience.
IIRC those were in .357 sig with frangible ammo
@@mattnw42both frangible and Spear Gold Dot
Hahah the P250 was my first pistol ever, I knew almost nothing about guns and bought it because it was the cheapest Sig they had and I heard Sig was a good brand. Used it a ton and sold it to my best friend for $250, only fitting. Wish I still had it though. My favorite story with it, is one time I fell off a dock at night into a pond, and the pistol fell out the paddle holster that it came with, and I had to dive to the bottom of the pond to find it, took a while, finally got it out. And then I got to take it completely apart and clean it, if you don't know one of the best features of the P250 is that you can dissasemble the entire lower easily by hand, like the FCG and everything, and clean it all out, and its only like 5 pieces or some shit. Somehow even simpler than a glock honestly.... Loved that gun.
I remember they started blowing these out for sub-$300 when the 320 came out. I should have gotten one.
I was able to snag one in 9mm at Bass for 300, you can find them every once and a while at a good price, but never saw one sub $300 in a long while
Nah, you’re good
@@user-te3qq1rb7u lmao I needed to hear that. Ty
I liked this pistol in CS:GO
Remember when they made it one shot a helmet when an M4A4 couldn't? Lol
i used to eco all game with this thing when it used to have 52 reserve ammo..then it went down to 26 :(
@@kevinkim9620Fr it needs 1 more magazine
@@Lambullghini The Five seveN does that up close now
Hop drops a P250 video, and 3 of 7 drops a P938 video, within hours of each other. Long forgotten, hammer fired Sigs taking over the world!
"ammo quality has absolutely sucked post covid". It's not just ammo. Everything fell off a cliff quality wise post covid. Food, service, stores, work ethic, manners, craftsmanship.
All part of the plan.
America has also experienced significant dumbing down from, besides other things, what's shown in media.
Hearts seem to have fallen off as well…
And LAZINESS... People get their groceries delivered... their prescriptions delivered... dinner from Door-Dash...
They complain that they have to actually GO IN to work 2 days a week.
@@Thomas-yw9eo We've been getting dumber for a while. People don't care about long term results and only think of what's in front of their face. No one cares about those around them just how they can benefit.
That is a phenomenal trigger for training new shooters or assisting someone with getting over a flinch. The pull on that is very consistent and it's almost impossible to anticipate the break. Love the P250.
Isn't it funny how a very predictable trigger leads to accuracy, but only if you can shoot an unpredictable trigger well already?
This channel really is the no-brow version of Forgotten Weapons.
“Falls under fire from different angles…” Well played, Sir.
1. SIG P320 grip modules are IDENTICAL (except the markings) to P250 modules ~ fully interchangeable. SIG evolved the P250 into the P320. You can buy S/M/L P320 frames and use them on the P250.
2. There are German marked P250s. The differences are:
- German marked P250s have slightly more complex internals due to German Police TR (technical guidelines) “Technischen Richtlinie (TR) des Unterausschusses Führungs- und Einsatzmittel”. Therefore, German P250s have slightly longer trigger pulls than U.S.-made P250s. The trigger on German marked guns breaks all the way back towards the frame.
- German P250s have a different barrel geometry at the chamber area.
- German P250s have two (2!) firing pin safeties machined into the slide. (Darn Germans….wonder if they knew about the drop safety issue?)
- German P250s have WAY BETTER blueing. It’s so deep and shiny ~ gorgeous.
- German P250s have (very flimsy) plastic guide rods with captured recoil springs.
- You can replace the guide rod & springs with a U.S. P228 / P229 ones. Works great, but it’s a tight fit.
3. Within 1000+ rounds fired in 2 years I had 2 separate failures to extract with resulting double feed. On each occasion the empty cases were still stuck completely in the chamber as if the extractor didn’t exist. Threw me off, therefore, I vividly remember. Otherwise, no issues.
Good handguns! Easy & safe. See it as a 15-shot semi-auto revolver replacement.
Nice- thank you for the info from a fellow 250 owner
SIG Europe and SIG American might as well be to different companies.
DAO guns are designed specifically for people who like to watch a tiny dongle go flicky flick while they shoot.
I find it rather relaxing visually. You can tell just how close you are by watching how big the slide's mouth opens. Sort of like Beaker on the Muppet Show. lol
as someone with a tiny dongle, can confirm.
My tiny dongle goes flicky flicky when I shoot... And I don't have a hammer fired gun
Every time I shoot a DAO gun it feels no different than the crusty staple gun I use to mount paper targets. Disgusting.
"A gun without a cocky fucking hammer is like a spaniel without floppy fucking ears" - DAO guys.
2:00 the reputation of the p320 falls under fire from a variety of different angles. 😂 Well played Hop
Hop talking about an obscure discontinued pistol? We are so back!
Hop, you're always going to be my favorite Wine Aunt.
Obsolete pistol hop is best hop tbh
Also cat at 9:43
Cat
Grown men fawning over cats is my kryptonite.
I love nerding out about handguns but also appreciate when shooters who have 10s of thousands of rounds through handguns realize you can shoot everything well if you have trigger time
The P250 was designed and originally built in Germany by Sauer. I would know, I worked for Sig Sauer then. As a matter of fact as a law-enforcement sales representative at that time for the company, I had the only working prototype in the world of the P250 that was made in Germany, along with a German to English handwritten owners manual
Beauty, damn I love the p250, even though nervous still about light strike but so far my early production example, a fullsize has yet to have an issue. I had to replace thr extractor bc it was causing failure to chamber issues.
I keep thinking that Smith should do a DAO M&P with a really smooth 6-7 lb. pull. They really seem like the perfect company to knock something like that out of the park if Sig doesn't want to do it again.
The P320 definitely had issues but it also became a convenient scapegoat for people with bad trigger discipline and holster obstructions.
3:54 - honorable mention to the Kahr P9. It's obsolete now but honestly not a bad firearm.
I owned a Kahr once in .45 acp. I just could not live with the trigger - it was just way too long and stupid heavy. Ironically, I traded it towards 2 magnificent pistols - an OG Sig P228 and a CZ Rami. Both of which made me so much happier.
I LOVE thr gen 2 kahr p9! Gotta get lakeline solid metal followers to replace the factory plastic followes, and NEVER try to lower slide on empty mag using slide release, even controlled, the slide release inner ledge crushes or pushes in that little metal peace on the factory follower and then fugs the mag up. They tend to spit eounds out of the spare mag unless you use lakeline followers.
@@tsechejak7598 - mystery solved
Had one at the range when getting used to my first firearm. (EAA Witness 9mm)
After removing the magazine and falsely assuming that it was no longer loaded, I pulled the trigger while admiring it and wouldn't ya know... The damn thing went off.
Thankfully it was pointed downrange at that moment & the round hit the backstop, But it put the fear of god in me for a few seconds.
Never want to feel like that again.
The late 90s and early Aughts were strange times for pistols. A bunch of companies asked 'Can we?' instead of _'Should we?'_ and thank goodness they did.
Hammers make me feel a certain way
Ya it’s called psychology.
My desk gun at work is a P250 subcompact… She works just fine.
I never picked up a P250, I tried the trigger on one, and that sample had one of the best DA triggers I've ever experienced.
It’s smooth for sure.
Time for a come back. The P250 AXG Legion!
@@aaronfarnsworth7653 don't give Sig any ideas !!!!! we will see 30 new P250 releases next year!!!!
@rickw5024 I'd buy a Sig D/A only if they could make one as slim as the p365. Come on people, let's get this going!!
@@fattigla The P365H. Hammering self defense into submission.
Cops have NDs all the time. Carrying a 320 has become an easy out.
Yeah but theres also videos of them just going off in holsters without being touched or moved
@@ethanwiley7605 Could be the wrong holster for the pistol. Could be debris in the holster...
@ethanwiley7605 and videos of the gun being set off with lateral pressure on the trigger. It's just not holster safe, and needs 2 simple changes to make it so. Literally just a stock trigger safety and higher tolerances for lateral movement, and it's just as safe as a stock glock.
@@joemo1033 one of them was confirmed by sig after it was sent back to have a faulty part from the factory in the firing mechanism
Why are there only P320 videos? Or more P320 videos?
Are there actually more P320 videos than of other striker fired polymer framed pistols?
Maybe the ~simultaneous widespread adoption of body cameras and P320 has contributed?
Or is that just the nature of modern social media, like YT, and firearms videos/comments?
James Reeves said that Thomas Matthew Crooks looks like he logged out of your discord, Hop. 😭
That is unkind and also inaccurate. The guns on our discord are MUCH worse.
Snitches get stitches 😂
@@762x69such is the nature of discord. ;)
😂😂😂
@@762x69such is the nature of discord. :)
Old school Hopfalafel content. Keep it up - Cin cin!
I feel similarly about the 250 and 320. For a defensive pistol the P250's trigger is nearly ideal IMO. And I actually do believe there are some credible reports and videos of the P320 discharging in the holster. Fully pre-cocked strikers=bad juju IMO.
Fully pre-cocked striker with no trigger nub safety is like carrying a hammer gun cocked and not locked. Why would you do that?
Even then hammer guns have an additional safety of half cock notch on the hammer and a firing pin block, both mechanically independent of each other. Because the firing pin and striker are one, P320 has both combined into one. A Glock's striker block has to physically move out of the way, the block in a Sig is a tiny appendage sticking out of the striker that can slip or break.
Of im not mistaken most striker guns of the newish persuasion(most outside of Glock and Kahr) have almost totally preset strikers when slide racked. I still trust most of them well over the P320. I might trust the p364 more except the shield plus is much better grip as its wider fore and aft. P365 grip is too small, though the Wilson frame for 365 is really nice and tempting, just still a bit small and still thr shield plus is a better grip. Icarus frames look nice. Long story short I trust no p320!
its amazing how my Canik circa 2014 Dolphin stamped model, striker fired 9m pistol looks soo much like this. but it has been such a great shooter and has been fun to shoot.
Wow, an FN Fourty Nine! I haven't seen one of those in years! Back during what I call the "Rail Wars", when everyone had their own ideas about how to attack a light or laser to a gun. Good times! 😂
Hop vids about outdated pistols are my favorite
My friend bought one of these brand new in 40 cal maybe around 2010? I asked him why he bought DAO and 40. He said that's just how they come and 40 is stronger. I laughed. Later on I was hanging out with a female coworker and she was texting him. She sighed and said "I don't know anything about guns. I don't know why he's trying to talk to me about them." So I took her phone and looked up basic ballistic numbers and went to town asking him questions, pros cons, etc, pointing out that modern loads of 9 mil matched or exceeded 40 cals and were more controllable. It took him a while but he eventually asked if it was me. That was a good time. Miss you Elyse. Love ya, Eli. Glad you got rid of that trash(the 40). My SW99sc in 40 is still a fun gun to shoot.
I got an SW99 in 40SW years ago. I hated the cartridge with its recoil; too snappy. I ended up getting a 2nd hand 9mm slide assembly and magazines for it. Now it's much more tolerable. Got rid of a Sig P229 in 40SW for similar reasons. No more 40SW!
@Tony-om5krI can't remember who, but someone makes a conversion barrel for it. I just haven't wanted to drop 200$ for it.
@@zendell37 The entire SW99 slide assembly w/9mm barrel cost ~$200 irc. Not a bad deal; it was in very good condition.
I remember these pistols when they first came out. They were definitely a product of their time. The removable trigger group chasis was a neat concept and even though they didn't invent the idea, they at least offered caliber conversion kits and replaceable frames for the pistol on launch. Never met a person who had reliability issues. They just couldn't get over the double-action only trigger. Glock had a bad reputation for negligent discharges with police and a lot of police issued DAO pistols like the 96D and the S&W Sigma. NY forced their officers to have a heavy trigger for their Glocks. Sig probably thought that was the direction police were going to go when they made this pistol.
Fun fact. Swap the slide stop and this can go in modern 320 grip modules. Or so I’m told
Completely true. I did it, putting a compact 250 slide and FCU on a subcompact 320 frame. Flawless functionality.
Hmm. Yesterday I placed my P250 slide and FCU on a full-size Wilson Combat P320 grip module. Fired 3 mags flawlessly, although the old P250 mags do not work in the WC frame.
@@wcstrawberryfields8011 Wonder if the slide stop change allows for the different mags to work? idk. I'm no gunsmiff.
A full size 250 in a 320 X-five or ALX frame is an obscure object of desire of mine. Not because it would be good, but because it can be done and that's kinda neat.
@@tylerfrogley1227 Shucks, maybe.
Keep up the content we want, that we didn't know we need! Thx Hop!
I just saw a P250 in the shop. Would have bought it but it was in 45….
I had a 9mm one about 10 years ago. Such a fun gun
Here for the cat. If the box fits...I sits. Even if it don't fit...I sits.
Don't encourage him..
It's time to stop
Yes the Steyr M9-A2-MF is awesome!
Excellent grip. Great trigger. Soft shooter. What a Bubitz-designed Glock could have been...
Oh boy another sig video, my dads gonna love this one
Hop's "Recently Forgotten Weapon's" playlist 👍
Incoming Sig fanboys getting angry at Hop because he simply mentioned the P320 has a negative reputation among some people. (People only understand high contrast language, nuance is apparently impossible)
Because of Harry Potter according to some
Especially on the internet, and yall should know better! /s
Nah. I love Sig and I think the P250 really is better than the P320. The problem was there was not many gunsmiths that worked on parts. Even to this day not many upgrades can be made including trigger pull and weight
Hahah more 320 for me I guess
Falls under fire or fires after falling?😛
Great video 👍 I used to have a compact SIG P250 with threaded and none threaded 4in barrels great gun very accurate for a double action gun.
I saw one of these "random discharge" incidents on video. At a police station the cop was dealing with a suspect and he put his pistol back in the holster. It then "went off". The cops used this as an excuse to buy themselves all nice, shiny, new Glocks (at taxpayer expense). What really happened is the cop didn't put the pistol back in the holster properly and the trigger got pulled. It was negligence.
As Hop pointed out NOBODY has an incentive to admit to a negligent discharge.
I remember when the cops all had Glocks they kept saying the same thing and "glock leg" was a thing
shinyy new glocks only cost about 220 a piece for police. its also a better gun in almost everyway
@@zm1786 Factually wrong- the Glock price for individual officers gen 4-5 ("Blue Label" program)is at least 130 more than that. Perhaps that was an LE agency contract price for a volume purchase, but that's not what you said. Also, the p320 is more accurate, has a much better trigger, has metal not polymer sights, a better grip angle, more ergonomic shape to grip, metal mags that drop free, and the p320 doesn't require the trigger to be pressed for take down (hence: Glock-Leg). The p320 out of the box needs nothing, unlike Glocks.
@@bikeracerdudeFound the P320 Owner😂
@@bikeracerdude i used to work for a company that got police contracts that isn't glock (but a clone), and we priced ours about the same but offered custom engraving for every officer and of course all of our guns included optics cuts.
I used to work with a guy that was in corrections and he purchased his from glock for about 245 so maybe they raised the price.
Have P250 in .22. Great gun. Wish it was still made.
I think there is going to be a revival of "older" steel handguns, like the 92fs, p226, fn high power, etc..
Maybe when printers get better
And like the..... 1911/2011 let's pray.
wyd revival the p22x,92fs,Cz75 and 1911 never went away
They are still selling plenty of them. Just because you don’t see them on IG doesn’t mean they aren’t selling.
Cant revive something that never stopped in the first place
Those guns are AWESOME! And mags are cheap. Salute! Perfect truck gun!
"Look at me shooting one handed from horse back with the reigns held close to my chest" ahh pose 🎯 9:28
Never say “ahh” again
@@lucasblanchard47 but its what all the youngsters are saying🤔
@@ismaelveyna3788 yeah and it’s stupid
@@lucasblanchard47 I just lost brain cells.. thanks guys
I love these history lessons on weird obscure guns! And beware the "murder mittens" !!! haha.
Really my biggest complaint with the P320 is that the Army did NOT properly test it at ALL in its adoption process; they just looked at the price Sig offered and took it; almost feels like Sig bribing them in a way for that sweet sweet government contract money, and the right to claim their product is "MILSPEC" on the civilian market to charge a premium for it.
Exactly this. Sig sold them at cost, because they knew being able to say "The US military adopted it!!!.!" would make them sell on the civ market.
@happyhaunter_5546 To be absolutely fair, I cannot think of a single gun adopted by the military that didn't have issues initially. It's comes with the territory, I suppose.
Seriously, everything from the M1 Garand to the M16 to the M9 had _some_ serious issue when first fielded. The M1 Garand bent its operating rod, the M16 didn't cycle (partially because of ammo), and the M9 had slide failures, stovepiping, and fte issues upon adoption. The sig had some issues with drop safety and... that seems like about it. All things considered, it's done a pretty good job.
Considering that, I think the military did test it enough. It seems to be a pretty decent pistol that does everything the military wanted at a good price. Could they be doing it for publicity? Sure! But that isn't really bribing. It's just playing the game by the rules.
@@Isometrix116 oh for sure, almost everything has teething issues; the Sig didn't complete the testing process.
@@happyhaunter_5546 source?
@@Isometrix116 this isn't reddit; I aint doing all that with you, have a nice Labor Day.
Swiss SIG is still one of my favorite companies, and I'm fortunate to own a few of their rifles and some of the old West German handguns. Hammer-fired DA/SA pistols will always be my favorite, and the SG553 is definitely my current favorite SBR, and will probably continue to be as I build it out with B&T gear. Hopefully that new SRBS 5.56 will be here fairly quickly.
For all its flaws, the P250 has the absolute smoothest true DA trigger I've ever felt on any handgun, ever. If they made it a DA/SA with a decocker, it'd be the #1 selling handgun the year it released.
It would also kill the sales of every other Sig pistol, which of course is why it doesn't have that feature.
1:56 I think you meant to say, “fires under falls”
My first pistol in 2015 was a compact P250 9mm back in the day, took my ltc course with it and my instructor said he'd never seen anyone pass with a P250 before 😂
I sold it not too long after, had my fair share of weird carry guns, glocks and then eventually found a full-size 9mm P250 recently because I missed shooting it so much. I don't really care that it's old, im pretty confident in my shooting with it and its still the most fun pistol that doesn't completely suck that I own lol
Man, Polymer Frame AND DAO? That's surely a winner. Gross.
😂😂😂
To be fair the trigger is actually crazy smooth
@@Sig_P229 if it was DA/SA id be salivating on this thing but they fucked up
@@MrWassup45agreed
That’s what the FNX-9 was for
SP2022 is the best hammer fired, polymer framed pistol. Basically a polymer 226. I've never shot a p250 but I wanted one and after research I came to the same conclusion Hop did.
I would love Hop to try one, they're really cheap on GB it also comes in stainless two tone.
Sup Hop, Keep it up!
Great video Hop! Well researched, honest, and nicely presented!
Hop has a rule… in order to be featured in his videos, one *MUST* have facial hair. _exhibit a_ - Luke C and a HumbleMarksman…and Socko 😸
He has a type
very strict casting requirements
Or they just need to have the gun in their hands..
my be a little more relevant
250 was my first pistol own both models and love the late model
Saying the P320 had serious drop safe issues is a huge overstatement when you consider that series 70 1911s and CZ shadow 2s are less drop safe than the P320 ever was and nobody cares about them not being drop safe to this day.
Actually neither of those statements are true. The series 70 1911 has a grip safety that must be depressed and prevents discharge. The CZ shadow series has a double action trigger with a half cock safe notch to prevent slam or drop fire and besides, the shadow series is not a duty pistol and never was.
To say nothing of the 2011s enjoying a recent surge in popularity. They literally get rid of a safety to ensure that "glass-smooth" trigger lmao
@@amc31b both statements are factual. Series 70 1911s are not drop safe and neither is the CZ shadow 2. Regardless of it not being a duty pistol, the shadow 2 compact shares the same characteristics and is designed for carry. Nobody bats an eye at it and it’s somehow only an issue when the P320 was determined to not be drop safe at a very specific angle after passing all factory standard safety tests. Do more research because there’s videos to back both of these statements up, just ask Ben Stoeger and Garand Thumb.
@@michaelturk7237 staccatos in the holsters of hundreds if not thousands of cops with mediocre triggers and not being drop safe…oof 🤦🏻♂️
@@amc31b None of those "safeties" you mention prevent the firing pin from moving under inertia.
Great to see the P250 get some love. They really do a lot better with a grip module change from some of the P320s.
I had a LEO "armorer" come into the shop the other day interested in the "new" 320. He ran his mouth about the 365 coming out first. I mentioned that the 320 goes way back to the 250 and he said I was wrong and there was no such thing.
Did the armorer look barely out of puberty? Or really been out of touch with products for the last 20 years.
Sounds like a LEO armorer alright.
@@aaronfarnsworth7653 LOL, probably in his 30's. Tried to come off as a vet bro. I'm a vet, but didn't ask.
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Finally more outdated handgun reviews :)
I migrated to the 320 platform at the start of 2021 and went back to Glock in 2023 due to some odds and ends with the platform. I did, however, keep one 320; the XFull I started with. The slide's now rattle-canned gold, the trigger is the Gold Grey Ghost (with springs), the X300B is tan, and I have pink Howie's hockey tape on the grip. It's always good for at least one comment at USPSA matches.
While I don't really want to carry 320s anymore, it really nails its single-use role as a 3Gun/USPSA comp pistol. It points well, runs the trigger lightning-fast and short, and the 21 round mags are pretty fucking sweet. I could honestly probably outshoot it with my G47, but the 320 just kinda...works. For being a gas-it-up-and-go-fast gun, at least.
P250? Don't make me laugh.
I always heard the P250 get called the "P-Too Shitty"
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I’ve only heard that in CS
That's Sigs in general.
Sig sags for fig ... ... mags
The fact that the p320 STILL doesn't have a trigger shoe safety is just idiotic.
I pocket carried a 320 and 365 for years without issue but it's still dumb. It has no downside but simply would negate 80% of it's criticism and user induced NDs that they blame on the design
Pocket Carried a 320? Yeah right
@@WN_Byers yes, I did. Time for you accept people do things differently than you 🤣
You should be old enough to understand that
@@maximusjoseppi5904 more power to you; I could care less about others' bizarre choices. I simply didn't believe you
@@WN_Byers i invented a way to pocket carry any gun. i made a video about it. simply custom tailoring proper fitting pants with particular shaped pockets allows me to pocket carry my desert eagle, maxim 9, p10f 45, 2011s, anything i want.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 now that is interesting. Way to innovate
It took turning my 320 Xfive into essentially a poly 2011 for me to like it. I can highly recommend the Mcarbo trigger kit with their springs and the M1811 Module from Brouwer Solutions.
I wanted a p250 until I heard it was DAO. What a terrible idea for firearms
I thought the same about the P224 DAO .. I'm not sure who they were making these pistols for. lol.
I picked up a used sig250 full size around 2015. I actually really liked it. I sold it and shouldn't have. It was a nice pistol.
Remember Officers, the P in P320 stands for “Plausible Deniability”. You can go ahead and treat those guns we bought however you want.
love watchin your vids after i get home from work, your voice is calming as heck lol
Remember when that cop's P320 clearly went off while sitting in his holster while he was talking to someone in the lobby of the police department, it was visible from 2 different cameras, and SIG tried saying it went off because the officer had a tourniquet holstered to the slide-side of his gun holster?
I’ve seen one discharge at a match. Guy had his hands at high ready when it discharged while waiting for the beep. His shirt was tucked, holster was of decent quality luden and covered the trigger. I’ve also seen them go down three rounds into a defensive pistol class where the trigger wouldn’t reset.
They're always ready and that's not always a good thing 😅
Not doubting that there might be safety issue, but I'm pretty sure in that video the gun was sitting half way out of the holster and clearly stuck on something
Link the vid
Yeah when hop said there was no evidence this popped in my mind.
Always loved how pure and simple the p250 is, kind of elegant in its own unloved DAO ways
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This is why I never understood the hoopla when the 320 came out. It’s like everyone was pretending it wasn’t just a warmed-over 250.
There is a police station security camera video of a group of cops standing in a circle talking, and a holstered p320 goes off in the holster
@@UMADBRO64cry sig coper
I thought we were talking about autonomous handguns, not bad ammo.
@@UMADBRO64imagine riding SIG this hard
The officer in that video wasn't just standing around. The gun went off as he was standing up after he picked up a suspect by his legs. In breakdowns of that video, it looked like the gun wasn't fully holstered. So it's likely that something got into the holster and pressed the trigger while he was standing. Mostly likely the keys dangling from a lanyard of the cop that was standing right next to him.
And for as wild as that might sound, it still makes more sense then the gun's internal safeties all just saying "fuck it" all at once, just one time for no particular reason at all and never again.
This by no means let's Sig off the hook. They made a gun with a fully cocked striker and no trigger safety. So if something presses on that trigger when you don't want it to, it's gonna go off. I think if they had just made the gun with a damn trigger safety 90+% of these "going off for no reason" claims wouldn't exist.
@@UMADBRO64 Hey now, the added manual safety for the G19X was truly momentous.
I put a Wilson combat grip module on my Sig p320 compact and then traded it for a Glock 47 with a holosun hs407cX2 on it lol. Great video
It's so amusing to see the anti-Sig P320 (specifically) hall monitors, waiting in sweaty haste to make their commentary on all the "Sig P320 fanboys". Entertaining to say the least.
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The 250 is like a high capacity double action revolver, with a LIGHT but long trigger pull. Very safe gun. Good trigger for weak or old hands.
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Happy to see moar retro pistol content ^_^
found a p250 compact at a local pawn shop with a laser for $450. i might have been able to find better for my first handgun in 2025 but from what i’ve seen it’s a very reliable start. excited to get more kit for it and one day make it my first EDC!
P250 always felt like an abomination to me. Always much preferred the P99.
I always preferred the PPK.
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My first carry gun was a p250. Great double action trigger.
It would be cool if Hop and Brassy did a magazine Page by Page review of some of the older gun magazines from back in the day kind of like how Ed Piskor (RIP) and Jim Rugg we're doing with their channel Comics Kayfabe, when they would go through Wizard Magazine 'the guide to comics'. They (magazines) stood for really good markers for that time period in which they were printed regarding their industry and the gun magazines have some pretty crazy stuff. I remember all the zombie stuff from the 2010s in the knife magazines in the gun magazines. Right now I'm looking at a copy of ballistic issue 1 and there's an advertisement for the Taurus Curve, for example. They also feature the quote latest and greatest concealed carry pistols which consisted of single stack 9s being the hot new thing. One of them was the sig Sauer p320 subcompact, sans accessory rail. I think it would be a really good series.
My dad got a P250 and I was obsessed with it because I loved it in CSGO. Had to get used to the double action. Like to see some coverage on it even if it’s in the usual bizarre hop way.
1:35 yup... I bought my dad a 250 because they were like $200 at some point. I liked the way it shot and was kinda excited to get a 320 for about the same money because they weren't moving before the military contact. They aren't worth what they are charging for them.
Thank you. I have been saying for years the 320 was a quick striker fired conversion of the 250. The slide height of the 320 could be lower because it doesn’t have to accommodate a hammer but they didn’t even bother to do that. That’s why the 320 had such a high bore axis.
I love all of the P250s Ive had (about 5 now)
Still lovin my 229