Retraining the foundation
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2023
- This horse was started too quick and hard which created a very poor foundation to build the rest of his training on. Now I am retraining a better foundation that should have been trained in the beginning.
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He was just oozing anxiety from the beginning. Nice to see how quiet and relaxed he was at the end of his training session.
Yes he was nervous
He’s a good dude. He wants to be good. You can see it.
Great example of how much patience is needed when retraining a horse. Such progress!
Just love how patient you are and do everything necessary to bring the horse around, especially with the camera rolling, where you could tend to rush or edit out this critical process.
U n b e l i e v a b l e difference between the beginning and end of this film. I wouldn't believe that such a change is possible.
Super well done, what a blessing for these horses to have you as a teacher.
Poor guy is full of anxiety. I can't wait to watch his progress. Love your new covered arena!
Tim you are such a talented horse person and trainer. You have a nice way with this horse and getting him to relax.
Pretty horse, sensitive. Kind. No need to be rough with him. Everything will have to be done longer, to undo the fear & mistrust.
So glad you are showing this horses actions.....most horse people do not recognize signals that a horse exhibits. Taking the time to read a horse as steps are taken in training can show where there needs to be a more positive experience. Appreciate you explaining what you are "seeing". Trust from a horse equals a great work day.....the horse will really absorb training better....This horse does not react like he really trusts yet.
If people aren’t noticing the body language of the horse, it’s probably more accurate to say that they are not actually horse people. The signals horses give are pretty obvious once someone knows them.
Thankyou for posting this video showing his journey and explaining his behaviour. He is a beautiful horse and watching the lights start to come on as he begins to realise life has changed for him. I think this is one of my favourite videos you've done. Thankyou.
This poor boy hes so anxious. So glad hes with you. These restart vids are the best i have been learning so much i will be able to put to good use.
In my experience, gaited horses are pushed through training for their gaits. Most people get on their back and instantly push then into their fastest gait without ever warming them up or practice standing. As a gaited horse owner (Missouri Fox Trotters) I have been blessed with a trainer who wants a relaxed horse that understands each step of the training process. BTW....the horse you are training will have an incredible ground covering flat foot walk!!
His funny giraffe neck set. But he's starting to lower his head as he relaxes. He likes you, he likes your voice! You are very kind!😍
His neck set is fine for a walking horse.
Whoever had him before, did a number on him. Poor guy.
With horses that want to rush home, as well as working them when we get home (and I usually then tie them up for awhile too), another thing that works is I dismount somewhere out on the trail, loosen the girth and let them graze for 10 minutes. I try and stop at a few different places on the way out, not always the same place.
It always amazed me that a horse can be so easily taught bad behavior by a human...so quickky. Then it takes sooo much work to undo what has been learned! My favorite phrase I muttered to myself, when working with my 4H club was "patience is virtue"! With a smile........because in the end patience brought about the reward of changing that horse!
Real easy on the eyes but obviously got pushed to do what the rider wanted vs trained and in unison.
Slowly appears to be trusting.
Challenging to untrain anticipation while teaching proper ground rules.
You are the man. 👍
I loved his quick expression towards you, after you rubbed him on the neck and chest, and walked away to get your bridle. His ear was towards you and his eye got soft for a bit as his head lowered. This gelding seems like he is one of those introverted horses that seems calm on the outside, but is a nervous wreck on the inside and many people misread them. I started a horse like this for my daughter when he was a 3 yo. He was so shut down, he couldn’t even tolerate being groomed for a while and was food aggressive towards other horses and humans, and was a kicker. I went very slow and let him take lots of breaks to process. He is now 8, and is one of the steadiest horses I’ve ever owned.
He is a beautiful TWH! Love my Walker. He too, was terrified/over reactive of EVERYTHING when I got him, 9 yrs. ago. He will be 23 on May 1st. Still lots of go for an older boy, but SO much better than when I bought him! LOTS of clear communication, patience and FAIRNESS. I still have an issue with moving away from the mounting block so this series on this horse is just what I need! Thanks for helping this horse gain confidence!
Tim! This is gold, my horse does exactly that… I know the reason cause I saw the trainer doing it as I walked into the barn, he had a chain over his nose and brutally yanked on it, now he put his head up, I’m 5’4 and he’s 17 hands and when he puts his head up I can’t reach to put his bridal on.
This horse looks to his rider for assurance . With consistency and time he'll gain confidence .
I don't want to think of what happened to make him so anxious
Probably just rushed his training, people underestimate how important it is to move at the horses rate, and this behavior is simply the result of that.
That was awesome to see how you did what you did, and what you were thinking as you did it. That knowledge you just dished out is going to save people & horses from going the wrong way.
I like the constant touching you are doing with him especially the back almost belly rubs
That anxiety issue he has I feel came from poor training or abuse. They are not born with it. But as you see, it can be worked out with alot of patience & proper training till he's trusting. You can tell he's actually a wonderful horse.
Your kindness and patience is so well displayed here. Thank you for this beautiful reminder to us all.
My TWH is always over thinking everything like him.
Great job 👏🏻 and great video, I thought you were in trouble on that first walk off but you handled him perfectly, poor guy I feel sorry for him but he will start to realize everything is ok now. You are a great man and trainer , may God bless you for your work 🤠
He is a looker (handsome)❣️🫶🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Nobody wants to pay for the time to start a horse right, but they will have to pay to retrain.
Thank you for showing this particular horse and his nervous issues and how you are retraining him. I also have a TWH that is the exact same way he is and I’m following how you are doing and I’ve noticed the she is now standing at the mounting block and I’m able to get on her without her running off as soon as my foot hits the saddle. I’m now working with her on walking away from the barn but as soon as she does she wants to turn around and haul butt back to her stall, she is so nervous in the saddle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Thanks so much for this one. I have one exactly like he is after a rider I had fell off (only his 15/20th go under saddle) and hes now terrified to let anyone on board so I've been doing all the standing at the block stuff and trying to progress to feet in stirrups but hes still very skittish. I've been doing the 'work him when he moves away from the block' but it never felt right or that I got any better reaction or relaxation so a few lightbulbs going off here in terms or relaxation and confidence building. He too is a brilliant horse, but just has a very strong flight instinct I am struggling to help him overcome. He was so good to start too and appeared to accept everything freely and easily but has such a massive bracing and tense attitude now all as a result of one fall, and then a second rider being thrown first time he was ridden after so we've stopped trying to get someone on board for now. What felt so positive and now this massive step backwards. I've been so downhearted, frustrated and out of my depth to help him based on what I knew so far. I will do better. (Also trying to find local help but its currently impossible finding someone within 4 hours willing and able!)
He may not have been "abused" but it appears he was handled "rough". His reaction to being mounted seems to indicate he had many bad experiences , maybe with a short tempered owner.
I’ve never had a horse, but I’ve had a few cats since I was a kid, and taken care of some dogs on occasion also. I’ve come to the conclusion that rough treatment *is* abuse; even if it’s not leaving obvious injuries… it’s causing anxiety at a minimum; and downright terrifying the animal at worst. At least personally, I find fear to be a worse experience than physical pain (and yeah, I’ve had a kidney stone, so I do know pain).
And when you’re talking about a creature that’s several times your size and that you intend to ride… it’s kinda dumb, too…
Or trainer
Sooooo patient,good for you
There is so much good information in this video. Thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing!
Your camera work is so good. 🍎 You are teaching and helping the horse to both know and understand what is expected of him. You’re firm and kind, both. 🍎
People should watch you with horses. There is people who can do good jobs if trainer were laid back and a leader.
I love that horse.
How do you clean your girth straps? Could you post a tack cleaning vid?
He is full of tension. Wow. But he managed to keep it somewhat civil lol. I thought he’d never blow out and then near the end of the video he did. That was music to my ears. I know that doesn’t always mean a total release but it was something anyway.
Thanks Tim, as always.
It's easy to teach the horse how to pick you up off the mounting block.
So nice you are giving this nice capable horse a great chance at future success
Thank you for sharing!
Thank you Tim! I'm learning so much!
You made a comment about his gait being uncomfortable because he wasn't relaxed... is this the case with all horses? There is a horse at a stables I visit who has a reputation of being really uncomfortable to ride - is this simply because he is tense or are some horses built to be more comfortable than others?
Thank you for your time.
There are several possible reasons for a horse to have an uncomfortable gait. the most common are the horse is stiff and not moving freely like this horse, not using its body well and moving properly or confirmation.
Thank you Tim!
I bought a horse from a guy out in Colorado who was like this horse… but worse. I wonder if it was the same horse trader… Dustin/Dustyn of Tatonka equine… I had to sell the horse as he was quite dangerous with his bolting and I’m not a trainer 😢
Do you ever have to evacuate the horses from tornadoes?
I am right on the gulf coast and we rarely have tornados here. We do get hurricanes though.
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I'm playing ketchup. First time I have seen this guy. Is this a TN Walker? He is all legs!
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Are you able to guesstimate how long you will have to work with this guy to help him overcome his fears based on your past experiences? 30 days? 60 days? I know the 'training' never really ends. We are always teaching and learning from our horses. But, based on your past experiences and your knowledge of how horses think how long do you think it will take him to reframe his thinking? It seems like it can take horses a very long time to overcome this level of anxiety/fear. He is lucky to have ended up in your hands.
We are at about 45 days now and he has improved drastically. I think he'll be pretty solid with 60 days.
@@timandersonhorsetraining I could see a difference in him just in this one video. You are so interesting/ enjoyable to watch. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us viewers
Feed magnesium.
This is an amazing video- thank you so much!
What make is the saddle you are riding in?
That one is a Jack Foster. They were made here in Mississippi but he is retired now.
Poor guy full of anxiety. Looks like he is trying hard to identify as a paso fino with his start off gait lol
like!!!!!!!
What kind of saddle is that? Looks new and comfortable.
That is about a 30 year old Jack Foster ranch roping saddle. It is very comfortable.
Great video. How do you know that hes not hurting somewhere vs a previous training issue. He looks worried its going to hurt. Thanks.
When a horse hurts, it always hurt. In a stall, wash rack, pasture, or riding, pain doesn't change. Now on the other hand there is stiffness like when I get out of bed in the morning, after moving around that goes away. Horses can be stiff too and way too often owners put them right back in their stall because they "hurt" which is the worst thing they can do. A good horseman should be able to identify what is going on and where and adjust accordingly.
How old is he? He looks like a young horse.
I don't remember I think he is 7.
We are doing absolutely wonderful except for one thing you're forgetting to pull the saddle pad up into the gullet of the saddle
No I'm not. Doesn't have to be a big tent to relieve pressure.
How do u handle a horse that rears up and has flipped ofer before ?
I do similar ignore the bad, love the good, I’ve had so many horses and ponies that were destined to be euthanised,if you are slow careful and respectful of them, they do the same, I’ve been with equines since I was 7/8 years old, violence is never the was x
Rebreaking, really. Or, perhaps just gentling, which was never done in the first place.
Do you think he could have ulcers?
pour moi ce pauvre petit cheval a été battu et malmené par un connard de proprio plus fort que le roquefort !
Does he have a large scar on his face. Wondering..... Seems afew of the horses that come to you are quite thin. Hmmmmm..... Also he keeps messing with his bit. Teeth bad? Hope he didn't go back to the people who abused him. Poor animal. People make me sick!!!
He is a looker (handsome)❣️🫶🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Now I’m learning from you to gentle him.❤