Rifle Cartridge Review: 284 Winchester
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- In this video I review the 284 Winchester and talk about its history, lineage, and future. Its children include the 450 bushmaster, 6.5-284 Norma, 6.5 Weatherby RPM, 338 Weatherby RPM.
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More importantly, it's the parent case for my beloved 6.5x284. 😁
That’s right! 😁
I agree i knew an old man that crimped his bullets behind the crimp ring. The rifle was costom made, the barrel was a hurder, the action BSA, AND A custom stock. He put all the powder in the bullets that he could, he said it was and amazing fifle.
Nice!
Just built my first 284 win. and it is quickly becoming my favorite cartridge. Shooting 168 VLD'S at 2850 with RL19. Its a long action cartridge overall length is 3.220. 26 1/4 inch barrel.
Nice! It’s a keeper for sure. One of my favorites
The 284 would need a long action to get the most out of it because one would have to seat the long BC bullets out to not intrude on powder space. The 280 Remington would be more useful to me in 7mm cartridges. The advantage of the 284 over the 280 Rem. is Lapua makes very uniform brass for it and the theoretical accuracy advantage of short fat cartridge. A short powder column makes for more unform combustion. That is why the 6PPC is popular amoung benchrest shooters. The 284 and 280 have about the maximum effective power capacity for the 7mm bore. Reading PO Ackley gives me that belief. One has to look at velocity gain per grain of powder, barrel life , recoil and what ever else makes for a good rifle cartridge. I'm a hand loader , experimenter , accuracy buff , hunter and plinker. Cost in reloading ammo and barrel life is important to me. A 30-06 capacity 7mm cartridge is ideal to me.
Awesome! I agree with all your points! Thanks for watching!
Use a magnum primer in your 280 Remington with a moderate powder like 4350 and this helps with uniform combustion. I've seen this work extremely well in several of my long action rifles including 280 Rem, 270 Win. Norma makes excellent 280 Rem brass
@@Accuracy1st Norma dose make fine brass . A little on the soft side. Norma brass is what I use reloading 22-250 .
I have .284 model 88 lever and I love it my dad bought it for me and gave it to me when I turn 21 whenever I go out hunting or go out to the range that gun goes with me
That’s really cool!
I had a Model 100 in 284. I love the 100 rifles had all 3 calibers. I ended up with a 280 AI which is a favorite of mine. I agree completely with your endorsement of it. Just a cool family of cartridges.
Awesome, thanks!
That is foe sure a cool gun that is on my bucket list. I always wanted one to customize. I would have it rebored to 338-284, 358-284, or maybe 375-284. I love how slick and handy it is too. I would have a custome stock made, something with a pistol grip and folding stock. Making it like a Paratrooper M1 carbine, or like the folding stock Mini 14..like the ATeam had. That would be a slick little setup with all the power you could ask for and quick too 😂
@@anonymousf4549.3 x 284
I like the 284 and have the perfect rifle for it
Savage 99 , with hand loads it’s some sweet and easy to carry 👍👍👍👍👍
Savage 99 in 284 Winchester, that’s cool
@@hopefulballistics you have a new subscriber ,
I enjoyed the review !
@@johannesvanhoek9080 awesome!! Thanks
Personally, of all the 284 wildcats, I find the 35-284 the most interesting. At 24"/225gr it equals the 35 Whelen with slightly less powder, and for equivalent rifle overall length you get 1.2" longer effective barrel length, so as it gets shorter it pulls ahead. And unlike with the 6.5-284 a short action doesn't limit it at all because you're not playing that high BC, land-chasing game.
A carbine in 35-284 would be an absolutely sweet boomstick.
@@phillycheesetake pretty cool idea
Yeah, the 284's are my favorites for sure. Then 30 cals.
I'm putting together a 7x57 Mauser Ackely Improved in a 1903A1 action with a 1/8 24" light varmint Pac Nor barrel.
I would like to get a Ruger Go Wild in the 7mm-08. They come with a 1/8 twist, I believe. That's pretty cool. I don't know why no ever made a video on that one.
I never jumped on the prc wagon. But I will, Lord willing, be jumping on the 7mm prc freight train. It believe it's going to be big!
I have a .284 Manson Foster throat reamer for the Mauser AI, so to cut a long coal and Weatherby length free bore.
Awesome comment! Your 7mm Mauser build sounds cool! I think the 7mm PRC will be a efficient modern version of the 7 mag
The only gun I ever regret selling was I had a browning BLR and 284 should’ve never sold that gun guys that I hunted with that had seven MM could not believe that I could keep up with speed on them at 500 yards it was a beautiful gun shot. Excellent had too many guns at the time and somebody offered to buy it. I sold it it’s the biggest regret of my life. There’s one right now on GunBroker And they’re wanting about $1500 for youth gun that one has a sling holder attached to the barrel. I don’t know whether I like that line you took off the under or not put on one right there I don’t know whether I would overly like the one attached straight to the barrel but anyway, the beautiful gun very accuratenoticed you didn’t name that one. I think browning also made a in a bowl action also I now have a 6.5 2,84 from Christensen and they’re extreme long range rifle and it is a beautiful shooting gun. Also have a nice day.
@@troysmith1719 that would definitely be a sweet rifle!
🤠 The Military conducted research and found that the maximum recoil that the average person could handle is a 30-06 with a 150 grain bullet! So, let us use this as our baseline! The 284 Winchester pushes out a 150 grain bullet at 2,880 ft/s! The same bullet can be pushed out of the 280 Remington at 2,968 ft/s with a 24" barrel, according to the Nosler #9 Manual! So, which is better regarding performance? The 280 Remington! Then, since it is the pressure that pushes out the bullet, let us compare the 30-06, 280 Remington, and 270 Winchester to see which uses the case the most effectively! The 280 Remington has an operating pressure of 60,000 psi, the 30-06 at 60,180 psi, and the 270 at 65,000 psi! The 30-06 is able to push out a 150 grain Horneday SST bullet (Superformance Ammunition at 3,080 ft/s, with a B.C. of 0.415), the 280 Remington is able to push a 150 grain Nosler ABLR bullet at 2,968 ft/s (B.C. of 0.546), and the 270 Winchester is able to push the 150 grain Speer out at 3,034 ft/s (B.C. of 0.496) or the 150 grain Nosler ABLR at 2918 ft/s with Magpro powder and even faster with Reloader 26 (velocity for this bullet is yet to be determined, but it is much faster with use in other reported bullets loads and has a bullet with a B.C. of 0.591)! So, guess which one wins the performance comparison when you put it into the ballistics calculator? That would be the 270 Winchester! It's higher operating pressure allows more flexibility to find an accurate load, also provides an additional margin of error for safe operating pressures, and yields the fastest and flattest shooting bullet downrange for the hardest hitting results with this comparison! It also does it while yielding the lightest recoil! So, it is the 270 Win for the "Win"! 😁
The 270 Win is a good cartridge
I have one of, if not the last NULA Model 20 in 284. It arrived in October. Plainly, you can make as many vids and write as many articles as you want and the reader/viewer will never know how incredible a Melvin Rifle in 284 is unless it's experienced. If you know, you know. If you don't, then you're likely to only ever read about it and you'll never understand.
I’ve heard others say it’s a great rifle as well
Congratulations Cope.!!
Fine rifle and a fine gentleman is Melvin.!
You can throw a savage refit criterion barrel on one of your axis rifles. I’m thinking of doing that myself. Simple barrel swap. Axis short action has a long mag that can fit 2.95 in cartridges and feed them. Less than a $400 job including gunsmith cost since it’s a simple barrel swap. That’s my next proje,t mos likely.
Good to know thanks!
Great review!
Thanks for watching!
Fine cartridge if you want to be continually hunting for components. Lapua suspended manufacture of 284 brass along with the 6.5x284. So, I hope guys that are crazy over the 284 bought lots of components long ago. Not only those negatives but in order for this round to really perform you have to build a custom. Bunch of hoopla, just go buy a 280 Remington and be done with it.
I think the suspension of certain rifle cases is temporary due to the war in Ukraine
@@hopefulballistics You might be right on the suspension by lapua. I believe they also look at which cartridges they sell alot of and allocate materials to those items that sell in the greatest numbers. When raw materials are short they are certainly only going to produce big sellers. One of my favorite cartridges is 7mm-08 and they suspended that one also. In my opinion the 284 is just a niche cartridge. There are other 7mm rounds that perform just as well without all the component and custom build issues for maximum performance. It's a dead horse, just like many other really great rounds. When mainline manufacturers no longer chamber for and support a cartridge, it's dead!! Except for the few loonies out there that are willing to chase components, pay huge prices when they find some, and are willing to spend big money having one built that actually performs to a higher level than any factory chambered rifle ever did. Anyway, thanks for taking your time to produce information for folks to enjoy. It's all good and I don't want to sound like I'm knocking your production or the 284 itself. My take on the round is just slanted in a different direction. Thanks again for your work on the subject.
@@terryhenry8243 thank you for watching!
280 rem?whats the fun in that; as of 12/17/22 i bought 400 cases of new norma 6.5 284
@@reynaldogonzalez6071 nice!
Browing A-bolt was chambered for it.
That’s cool
Own a m 100 in 284 win. Love the cartridge, the m 100 win. Rifle not so much, would love to have a bolt action 284. Mabey I can figure a way to rechamber or rebarel something.
I wish you could get 284 In model 70
Been shooting a xp100 in .35/284 for yrs.
That’s cool!
Was thinking about doing this. What kind of velocity are you getting with what bullet wt and barrel length?
Had the model 100 and it would damage the soft nose of the 284 bullets being made. If only I could have had a bolt action. Looking into a custom barrel on a 308 or possibly 243 original pre 64 model 70 to get the Mauser style action but with a 284 chambered barrel. If Winchester had produced the model 70 in the 284, it would probably be as popular as the 243 and 308 today in my opinion.
100% agree! Model 70 in a 284 would have been epic!
@@hopefulballistics Well, believe it or not Winchester did manufacture a few .284's in the model 70. They were post 64. I can't remember exactly what year but there was just a very small, like a couple hundred or less built. They had a detachable box mag which of course limited the performance due to saami spec on overall length. Anyway, I saw one for sale several years ago and passed because they wanted a SUPER mint for it. It did sell, just not to me. There's a tidbit of history for ya. Cheers!!
@@terryhenry8243 that’s cool, thanks
I have one, model 100. .284, and one in 308.
I reloaded and didn’t read all the warning of cartridge length. When that gun went off it startled me. I pulled all the bullets, that primer was flattened with a light load.🎉😢
😳. I like the model 100’s
I’m reloading now for an ar10 708 I built. Man am I happy
@@hogman2276 that’s cool!
bullet probably loaded too long and jammed into the rifling
@@hopefulballistics beutiful rifles unlike the ugly crap being built nowadays
mate and Iare currently building a couple of 284's for 1000 m plus target shooting
Nice! Please let me know how they shoot
@@hopefulballistics will do
Well before we say that the 284 was a Winchester development with no parent case we should examine the 7.5 x 55 Schmidt & Ruben.
Do you think Winchester used that cartridge to develop the 284 win?
@@hopefulballistics
HB,
We’ll Sir, I honestly don’t know. Perhaps they “modeled” the 284 off from it.
It’s a very good question, and I’m not sure if we can get to the bottom of it by simply asking Winchester..
Very nice to hear from you, HB.
All my best,
Scott
my favorite cartridge my 284 s 3 , 3 6.5 284 s . making a 25 284 . the savage model 10 has a 2.990 mag .
prefer short action rifles if one uses a long action i,d go with the 280 ai , but necking up the 6.5 weatherby rpm to .284 would be sweet , still when enough is enough stop and just enjoy the best
@@stanleymarucha8194 totally agree on the 7mm WTHBY RPM! That would be awesome
Some of my favorite cartridges also
IF GOING WITH A LONG ACTION .284 WIN. OR THE .280 ACK.? WILL BE USING NON-LONG RANGE HUNTING BULLETS.
280 Ack is long action only, but 284 can be short or long. It is more versatile in a long action. Ballistically they are very similar. Maybe a slight edge on muzzle velocity with the 280 ack. You can’t go wrong with either. 284 is only popular in competitive circles these days. 280 ack is niche but has a growing following. There both equally good, but 280 ack might be more available with ammo, brass, etc.
🤠 I am of the mindset that while you can't call any mothers baby "ugly", that you can find a constructive way to point out that the child "ain't going to win no beauty contest either"! Mr. Alaskan Ballistics called me a "fudd" in my first debate with him, so I have no problems using the nickname "Fudd of the Far North" for him! 😂 I think I have been to hard on Austin though! Sorry Austin! Just be careful who you take cartridge/hunting advice from! I have thick skin, so it doesn't bother me, but I do not like to see others being mislead by "opinions" that aren't backed by "Facts"! So, I am willing to challenge u-tube creators on their incorrect "assumptions"! So, if the parent cartridge can't outperform it's competitor (and keep in mind that we have to also look at cartridge operating pressures), then why would we dare think that the offspring of both would be any different? Today, I am speaking in a comparison of the 284 Winchester and the 280 Remington and how that performance translates to how the 6.5-284 Norma compares to the 270 Winchester! I have also often wondered if Walt Disney's "Elmer Fudd" wasn't derived from Elmer Keith? 🤣 What do you think? 🤷♂️ Or, do you think that it was from some "misguided hunter" from the Far North? 🤪
Ron I have no interest in running down Alaskan Ballistics or Reloading Weatherby, they seem like stand up, cool guys. Talking about rifle cartridges is fun for me, and listening to all UA-cam creators and their differing views is interesting. I think your taking this way too seriously.
🤪 Hopefully Not! 🤦♂️Mabey just to much time on my hands to think about it? 🥳 Luckily for everyone, it is almost hunting season again! 🦌😯
🤠 I don't mind a little "bantering", but your right! 👍
🤪 Besides, where else could I get such good practice sharpening my debating skills? 😁
Your a good man "hopeful remnant"! May God grant you a big buck this fall! 🦌
🕵️♂️ I believe that Alaskan Ballistics reported 2,940 ft/s out of his "obsolete" 270 Winchester rifle with that 150 grain Nosler ABLR bullet (so we can use his numbers to prove my point, because I know that will make him "Very Happy"! 😂)! 🧐 I haven't been able to find the primers to reload yet, so I will know when I get to do it for myself! But, I also wanted to point out to you that when you use the Winchester Factory Ammunition with this 150 grain Nosler ABLR bullet (2,900 ft/s velocity) and compare it to that 30-06 Superformance Ammunition (3,080 ft/s), that even with only a 10mph wind, the difference in wind drift is 10" more for the 30-06 at 700 yards! If you have swirling winds at higher velocities, then long distance shooting with this factory 30-06 load becomes problematic! I also ran the 30-06 numbers with the 168 grain Nosler ABLR bullet (Velocity of 3,002 ft/s and a B.C. of 0.525) against the 150 grain Nosler ABLR bullet in the 270 Winchester (B.C. of 0.591 and a Velocity of 2,940 ft/s) - that would be a better choice for the 30-06 - but the 270 Winchester still "Wins" out, due to the superior ballistics of the 0.277 bullet (being able to shoot just as flat, with less wind drift, and does it with less recoil - still meeting our criteria for the "average shooter" and what they can handle from a recoil perspective)! 🥇You should also take note that the 6.5 prc performance numbers have been revised downward by Horneday in their Factory Ammunition and the good old "outdated" 270 Winchester outperforms it in Horneday's own factory loads (270 Winchester 130 and 140 grain Hornaday factory "Superformance" loads shoot flatter than the 130 grain and 143 grain loads of the 6.5 prc)! Not only do I believe that this is why Horneday redesigned the case for the 7mm prc (instead of using this 6.5 prc case), I believe that is why Alaskan Ballistics got rid of his 6.5 prc and went back to using his "less efficient" 6.5-284 case? But, I guess you can ask him yourself? 😁
I like the 270 Win, it’s just not my favorite. I like to talk about and make videos about other cartridges as well
😎 I get that and am not disagreeing with you! And, the 284 Winchester is right in the wheel house of practical and useful for the average shooter, but was created to replace the 270 Winchester in a short action (though it never did). I agree that it is a good cartridge. After all, it has Winchester in it's name! I have been debating some of your other "Aquaintances" regarding the 270 Winchester and it's usefulness, and took the opportunity to "take a shot" at one of it's critics for poo pooing it as "out of date"! 😎 I stand by my rebuttal to him that the 270 Winchester is one of the finest cartridges ever developed (not "over-rated at all" and so is the 30-06 as well) and both have withstood the test of many challengers over the last 100 years and that are great cartridges in their own right - and the 270 Winchester still outsells them! Let's list a few: 264 Winchester Magnum, 6.5 Remington Magnum, 280 Remington, 284 Winchester, 6.5 prc, 270 wsm, 7saum, 7mm wsm, 6.8 Western, 7mm Remington Magnum, 280 AI, 6.5 -284, 6.5-06, 6.5 wsm (leopard), 6.5 saum, 7mm-08, 270 Weatherby Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum...and a hundred more that you could probably list! A hundred years later, it is still holding it's own and is still one of the Top 5 best selling cartridges for a reason (the 30-06 is also in the Top 5 too, which some of these same u-tube "weekend warriors" don't like either)! Sorry about my late night rant (my dad used to say that "nothing good happens after midnight", so I probably need to stay out of the media chat rooms at that hour and keep from getting carried away)! I agree with your assessment and my rant had nothing to do with you! Nope! It was meant for someone from the "far north" that made a video about the 270 Winchester being "out of date", while he extolled his praises on the 6.5 prc (which he later sold 😂) and the 6.5-284 - but still managed to hang on to and produce reloading videos for that "obslete" (as he called it) 270 Winchester! 🤯
🤭 Alaskan Ballistics is one of those people that has become my "Elmer Keith"! 🤣
@@hopefulballistics but what about the 270wsm ☹️ lol
@@realmetis8002 I love me some 270 WSM!