Can You Spot a Fake Service Dog?
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2014
- I know, you love your dog, and wouldn't it be really cool if you could take him with you everywhere, like to a restaurant? What fun! Why not just go on line and order a Service Dog Vest and ID, afterall, you're not really hurting anyone, right?
Wrong.
Purchasing these bogus products is bad for several reasons..including you are taking advantage of a loophole in an operation that affords people with disabilities a special privilege .
A highly trained Service Dog completes a task for a human. They are necessary for the handler. They are not pets, per say, they are partners.
It's a complex issue and we'll uncover some more information that we hope you will share with your friends as well. Dr Sally Irvin, ICAN,(Indiana Canine Assistance Network) is also a board member on the International Board of Assistance Dogs committee. Join us as we delve into this complex issue. As Dr Sally says, 'just because you can do something, doesn't make it right'. - Домашні улюбленці та дикі тварини
Anyone who tried to pass off a fake" service dog,IS DESPICABLE.
like all the ptsdd veterans
I think I am the only one who read that with a lisp in my head...
+ThatOneRandomGirl you aren't, trust me. Daffy Duck is the shit 👌🏼👌🏼
B Dizzle yas
Rivka Avraham yeah
when he was kissing the dog i started crying this child is so pure and i love him. and his dog
Me too omg
Nah, and for people like YOU I was supposed to wear masks? Those mutts are disgusting. Having them lick your face with the same tongue that's been in other dogs from behind? You dog lovers are mentally insane.
@@virtuosyc bro is seething replying to a comment from 5 years ago. get therapy bud.
I had no idea people would do that.. It's so rude and disrespectful.
IKR!
It is...I hate it when people lie! :(
+AphmauLover123 what does Ikr stand for
Olivia tushaus I Know Right
Omg Ikr
What kind of low life person,would have a fake service dog,blows my mind.
+DCDEATHRUN i have very bad anixity and im getting a dog from brazil i want to bring him to america im very scared of plaines btw but i feel like im going to fake it im not sure if its a sirvice dog i think its a emotional service dog
+Andrew Araujo you must be disabled to have a service dog and to have an emotional support dog you must have a mental illness signed off by a therapist or psychiatrist. Hope this helps. ESA's have to rights 1) To assist handler on airplanes 2) Housing act... That is all they have as for rights... Service dogs can do all of the above and assist you in almost any place. Yet to have a service dog you MUST be disabled and have it be a real disability passed off by a doctor.
If your dog hasn't been trained professionally to be a service dog, then you are incredibly selfish, are breaking the law, and are completely degrading those needing actual service dogs.
Well said.
+D X You can train your own dog, as long as it performs tasks that are officially approved of as an actual service to you (I think it's two or more) I'm just starting to train my pup for my panic, anxiety, and depressive disorder. I'm still taking him to a proffessional after I train him to see if there is room for improvement before I start taking him to school.
Not long after my first service dog was fully trained, I am now owner training my third, I decided I would train one of my German shepherds in personal protection. I went and visited several trainers who did that sort of work. While at the kennel of a trainer by the name of Amanda Bockman, I noticed the dog in a service dog vest. I was hopeful that we could become friends and talk about service dogs, so I asked her what kind of disability she had and what her service dog for her. I was curious. She told me that she in fact did not have a disability and that her dog was not a service dog. She told me that when she and the rest of her club went to dog training competitions in other states, it was easier to put this on their dogs and fly them in the cabinet service dog that was to pay and vitamin cargo as regular pets are flown. That is wrong on so many levels. I made sure everyone in the service dog community, as well as those in the protection dog at community around my area, new what she was doing. I was trashed by her, shunned by others and praised by many. That was back in 1994, I'm still here training my third dog, and she is out of business. I love this video. Still one thing bothers me, there are many people who train their service animals themselves and do a great job at it too. I think as owner trainers, we have to live up to a higher standard than program trained dogs do. Our dogs are constantly being scrutinized, because everybody automatically assumes if it's an owner trained dog it's either fake or badly behaved. Sorry for the typos and any spelling errors in this post. I am having a low vision day, optic neuritis caused by lupus and multiple sclerosis, and I'm using the dictation feature on my iPhone. Sometimes my iPhone doesn't hear very well, and I've already done this post six or seven times trying to get it right. So I'm not redoing it.
It's the law that one must take the disabled persons word alone. A vest or ID is NOT required.
They kick me out of places all the time
We need to remedy this. I have a 17 week old Papillon that will be trained as a service dog. SO many fake service dogs are making it extremely hard for real service dogs.
I haven't read the reg book I got (It was kind of small though) but I think the documentation you need depends on your situation or scenario. You could have every service dog paperwork and occutrement ready but if you don't have a letter from your doctor endorsing the disabled person as a "qualified service dog handler" then you are up shot's creek! Plus! If your service dog is not up to date on their immunizations and you don't have the required paperwork, then you will get a DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200, etc. Once you get all the required documents and shots in order, it's not a huge deal. Maybe 1 out of 50 people ask about mine. More people rush at her with love. lol
SSgt Margulis Wrong. Look up the laws. One must take them at their WORD alone.
+Larry Parks Obviously you have never been to many federal buildings with security checkpoints and police officers checking IDs, but that's ok man, like I said earlier in my comment, it "depends on the scenario". True, people are supposed to take your word, but because people take advantage of the system, we now have to think about politely asking for documentation, which a GOOD handler will try to always have the dog's ID somewhere nearby always. But people do what people do. Suum Cuique.
As a father of an autistic little boy w/ a legitimate service dog, I am getting really p/o'd at all these morons I keep running into with obviously untrained pet dogs being passed off as "service" animals, just so they can bring their pitbull( complete w/ tow chain leash) into stores with them. I've seen these fake service dogs hike their leg and piss on an isle, take a dump, and bother my sons' dog.
I've never seen a genuine service dog approach my son or his dog. The law needs to be fixed. MiF
Pitbulls can actually be service dogs. Under the ADA law, any breed can be a service dog
You are absolutely right! What I'm getting at are "fake," as in ,untrained "service doges." People will go to the website and purchase the vest, just so they can get some attention, but the dog is not trained .
I totally agree and I hate that. How they buy the fake vests off of etsy, and take them everywhere when the dogs obviously have so Service dog manners.
Boleyn Ahead Home Depot allows all dogs...Yeah it was incredibly rude of that man to leave his dog's mess behind but he didn't break the law.
Well, if my child ever gets bitten by a dog at their store, I'll make them regret letting non service dogs in...HD has very deep pockets. THEN, they will send wads of cash to their favourite puppet (ie. politician)in Washington to have the laws changed! MiF
People who get fake identification for their dogs are awful people. Get your dog certified for real if you need a service animal that badly. Not only does it make legitimate service dogs seem like problems, but it also distracts and prevents them from doing their jobs, and that's never okay. My sister has a dog that is trained to warn her when she is about to have a seizure. I dread the day her dog gets distracted by someone else's "service" rat and fails to warn her in time. Her dog's warning can be the difference between life and death, if you didn't know.
Crystal The Luxio but people who ask people what does there service dog do who might have a service dog for a stress related thing such as the autism service dog in the video or a service dog for someone with stress related heart attacks or strokes, seriously its the people like you who question the dogs when your not sure and that stops the dog from doing its work
...I'm sorry, but what? How on earth did you get that from my comment? First of all, it's 100% legal for someone to ask what service a dog provides. Second of all, it's incredibly easy to tell a dog who has been trained to provide service and support from a dog who is clearly someone's pet. A service dog will always be well-behaved in public, including not sniffing at everything he walks by and not barking/growling at every person/other animal. A "service" dog however will often pull his owner in the direction *he* wants to go, bark at kids/other service animals who walk by, sniff/lick/grab things he walks by, and is overall distracted by the environment he's in. It's a very clear difference, trust me. All I'm saying is that if you truly have a need for a service dog, get it trained and properly certified. Don't bullshit your way through it just because you can.
i dont, my last dog was a service dog, not trained to be so, (my dads half blind) walked on a leash, never barked at anyone, ive walked that dog since i was 8, never pulled on leash ever, not all dogs realy need special training, and since theres no certification you cant get your dog properly certified
There is no official certification required for a service dog.
Also, service dogs do have to behave appropriately so a service dog (valid or otherwise) who is threatening your sister's dog or otherwise causing problems (barking, being generally aggressive, etc.) can be asked to leave.
There is no such thing as a "proper" certification, And a dog that has normal dog behaviors is not evidence that the dog is not a service dog... it may indicate it wasn't professionally trained. But because it is absolutely legal for a person to train their own service dog... they could have trained the dog well to do the particular service task... but didn't fully train good manners. So their very real, and very legal service dog may still sniff around, and may still greet people, and get excited. And even bark and become aggressive. But if they do bark incessantly and/or if they are aggressive the store has the legal right to require the animal to be removed from the premises, even if it is a legitimate service dog, and the person has a disability.
0:40 he said “I love you” to harmony, what a precious child x)
The smile on his face when she licked his face gives me hope
Quiet Universe
Unfortunately there will always be people out there who slap a vest on their dog and claim then to be a service animal. If these people want to be so special as to take their dog where they go the very least they could do is put the time and effort into training their animal to behave like one. I can't remember how many "service dogs" I've seen that are pulling on leash, smelling/eating food in stores, getting in the way or growling and barking. These types of people put others who do NEED their dogs in jeopardy, could you imagine a fake service dog attacking a legitimate one or another person? I'm thankful to be in good health where I don't need my dog to assist me, but I've put so much effort into training mine to be a therapy dog that many mistake him for being a service animal.
Anyone who fakes their service dogs are so incredibly selfish.
This past weekend, I was at a fair. There was a man with a service dog with him. Not only was the dog a tiny guard dog, but it also tried attacking people (even me!). It was barking and growling. I was appalled. This was no service dog! I have anxiety and depression so I was disgusted to see someone pretending to need a service dog. Why can't people just follow the law?
How did you know that the man did not need the dog? Anyways barking a growing does not mean it was attacking ppl. And ya dogs bark get over it. Have a nice day sir or mam
TheStingingbee :D Service dogs aren't supposed to bark and growl. They're especially not supposed to try and chase people. They're supposed to stay calm and watch over their owner at all times.
+DreamPool Doesn't mean the person didn't need a dog sadly. Unfortunately, a lot of people put up with subpar trained dogs that are aggressive because they feel like the dog even though the dog themselves is stressed and ill mannered... that they really really need the dog. It is upsetting. I don't agree with it. I wish these people would stop and consider others.
Sadly, service dogs are not easily gotten by people who need them.
+Julie Hasselberger i don't like a dog being in cargo but i would drive somewhere so i could bring my dog with me or keep it with someone i trusted
@@frederickmacneil6318 Did you even see this video? If a service dog barks or shows aggression, it gets washed out of the program. They are no longer useable as service dogs because service dogs are not like normal dogs or ESA (Emotional Support Animals). They do not bark or growl or fight. And if you see one that does, you are looking at a fake. Maybe the guy did need an ESA. But an ESA does not have public access rights like service dogs do. The truth is this guy did not have a service dog. That is a felony.
The lady claims that the vests and tags make the dog look very legitimate... But the law does not require *_any_* kind of identifying vest or tags etc... for them to be legitimate.
service dogs are socially required to have a best or badge to prevent people walking up to the dog and petting the dog while it's on duty
some other reasons too, but the people i know that have a service dog (three people) say it's mostly for that reason, also because the vest can carry an injection or medicine that the owner needs
Gerard Lesterell
"Socially required"? There is no such thing.
And many service dogs can perform their function regardless of people walking up to them and petting them.
***** Yes, but its not because the dog might get distracted, but it annoys the owner and could possible prevent the doggo from doing what it was trained to do.
Gerard Lesterell
"but it annoys the owner"
That is entirely subjective... you cannot make such a generalization about all owners.
"could possible prevent the doggo from doing what it was trained to do.'
That is also subjective... just because some may be distracted, doesn't mean they all are... hence why there is *_no_* social requirement to wear a vest or tag.
I have a pitbull as my service dog and I didn't know anything about the laws of owning a service dog so once when I went into a store with my dog a worker comes up to me, asks if it's a service dog and I tell them yes, they ask what the dog is for (they even have the nerve to point out its a pitbull in a disgusted tone) and like I said I didn't know about the laws. I immediately grew horribly anxious (yes, my dog is for severe anxiety) so my dog pushed himself between me and the worker, I was still having trouble breathing so the dog then began to pull me away from the worker who then received a lecture from my mom.
That was a fun experience, I never stepped foot into the store again even though the worker had apparently been fired
blakedrowned that worker deserved to be fired. Amazing job on behalf of your service dog. ❤️
The owner or worker is allowed to ask what service the dog provides. they worded it very badly but i think that could be what they meant.
+Slap a Fish thats kind of a grey area that i wouldent reccomend because your prohibited to ask them why they need it and also there legaly alloud not to answer
Slap a Fish It depends on the state. Here in CT for example employees are not allowed to ask what disability someone has.
Melody Liu no thats a federal law not a state law
Not all disabilities are visible, and it's very sad to see that because of the people who bend the law, these esas and therapy dogs are discriminated against, because they are real service dogs, but the way these people are doing it makes it supposedly "fake".
The way the law is currently written is that it is only a service dog if it is trained for a specific task. An example of that would be someone with PTSD who is having a flashback and the dog is trained to apply pressure to help with grounding. Unfortunately just being a help by it's mere presence is not a task.
ESAs and therapy dogs are not service dogs. Neither have access rights under federal law, though ESAs do have housing rights. However, your first sentence does stand. There are very real emotional, psychological, and mental disorders that may call for a service animal, and you might not be able to tell from looking at a person!
RC Flames I am not referring to psychiatric/emotional service animals. I am referring to emotional SUPPORT animals, which are very different under the law. I am a person with a psychiatric service animal and would never imply that a psychiatric service animal is any lesser than a service animal for a physical disability. Calling me a "stupid cunt" was quite rude and unnecessary.
+Lacrymosa Studios I have a feeling that RC has some of his own emotional issues. Plus for somebody attacking your IQ, it took him three tries to get out his thoughts. Shake it off if you can. 😊
www.psychdogpartners.org/resources/frequently-asked-questions/laws
My service dog was trained at home. Doesn't make him any less legitimate because, as the law requires, he is trained in at least one task (he is trained in several, actually) to help my disability, and he is house broken and non-disruptive in public.
You are absolutely 100% right. Where a dog is trained (at home or at a facility) does not make a dog any more legitimate.
Katie Marshall what law requires at least one task to be performed? My dog naturally don't like alarms or whistles and comes to me. Is that the minimal task?
No, That doesn't count. That would maybe fall under obedience. A task is something that mitigates a disability. For my dog, that would be picking things up when I drop them, deep pressure therapy, alerting to anxiety/panic, alerting to low blood sugar, bracing and balancing when I feel dizzy, blocking crowds, guiding through crowds, etc. the law that says they must be trained in at least one task, be housebroken, and non-disruptive would be the Americans with Disabilities Act, which is federal law.
What is migrates a disablity? Wouldn't alerting you of dizziness be the same as my dog alerting me of sounds I dont hear at all?
Same! Mine is an SDIT trained in several tasks :) she's a lifesaver
This article completely doesn't mention "owner-trained" service dogs. I am on government disability, I have MULTIPLE medical conditions - most of which are not outwardly visible (until the day comes that I will finally need a wheel chair). Due to my multiple medical conditions, in reality, it would take me over 3-4 years to have received a "program dog", who has been custom-trained, to fit all the things I need assistance with. We had several people, INCLUDING MY DOCTOR, recommend that we find a puppy appropriate for my needs. It has not been an easy process or an in-expensive process. In a couple more years, all the costs involved, will have cost our family tens of thousands of dollars. Personally, I have been working with dogs my whole life & an in the process of starting my own non-profit company, that trains service dogs for War Veterans, who return with physical injuries & sereve PTSD. Real service dogs really are a blessing to the people who truly need them.
THANK YOU!!!! I was looking for them to say something about owner trained dogs..Some of these organizations just want money. It's sad. Spend time with dog and find videos and test to train with owner Is the best way, instead of having someone else train them using different commands and words owner does not say.
+Aggie Pride if you look up the UA-cam Channel: The Frey Life - I hope I spelled that right - the girl in that has what (at least *I* would consider) an owner-trained Service Dog. She has Cystic Fybrosis, & her dog Oliver helps her a ton. He even accompanies her to the hospital. Much like MY owner-trained Service Dog, accompanies me to my chemo infusions in the hospital (there are even cancer patients around), he accompanies me to the Emergency Room, all my Doctor appointments, etc. Not to mention, he goes everywhere I go, which of course, includes ALL the places dogs are not allowed to go. Not going to use all-caps here for the whole sentence....: Which is the POINT of a Service Dog!!!!!!
+Nina Leus - Mary's dog Oliver is actually not owner trained. They got Ollie when he was a puppy and raised him until he was old enough to receive his formal training. When they went to Scotland for Peter's graduate school education Oliver went through his service dog training with a friend who is a service dog trainer. She trained Ollie and sent frequent update videos to Mary, and when Ollie was done with his training he went back to live with the Mary & Peter. Most "traditional" SD training centers breed their own dogs and have them raised by "puppy raisers" until their bones are mature enough to do SD work, but because Mary needed a non shedding breed it would have taken A LOT longer for her to get a SD through "traditional" means (and it is more expensive).
@@NinaLeus Her dog was not owner trained her dog was professionally trained.
Old comment, I know, but, I trained my dog, she was a stray we took in. She was probably almost a year old then and it took me 2 years to get her fully trained and she is a very smart dog. Part of the training is time consuming exposure type things like going into public places to get her used to them. Now when i get kicked out of some place it really pisses me off, we worked hard for this and she is super good but some people are stupid and mean.
My service dog is for my panic disorder and just because people can't see my disability, they expect I'm one of those "fakers". so please, the law allows me to take my pet dog with me, she is certified for my mental disability. So don't act like just because a dog isn't trained a certain way that it isn't an actual service dog.
I don't think that was what they meant.
+Alyssa Sheldon A service dog must must be trained to perform a service. Otherwise, legally it is not a service dog. A service dog will behave appropriately always.
+Alyssa Sheldon think what they are trying to get across is the fact that many are not telling the truth, , their dogs were not tested. By testing the animal they know the animal is safe to go out in public. Will not bark in stores, will not attack or become distracted. Will stay with owner. There are animals that calm people but not service dogs. They are not permitted to go into stores because they cannot behave, they will not stay still on planes, will not lie down on trains. A service dog will. If your dog has gone through the training this does not apply to you. If your dog can behave in all these situations testing would never be an issue and service status would easily be handed over. They do not have to bring water bottles but they do have to behave and pay attention. They do not question the persons illness but you cannot have the family pet put on a vest to be a service dog you to have it tested to ensure it is a service dog.
+Lisa Van Gemert not true. There are emotional service dogs for anxiety, depression, sexual and gender identity disorders, and more.
+Haley D An ESD (Emotional Support Dog) is not the same as a Service Dog,does not have the same training (task oriented) and does not have the same legal rights as a Service Dog. Even a Psychiatric Service Dog must be trained for specific tasks other than emotional support.
Mocking a service dog is like making fun of disabilities. Some people need that dog, and it honestly breaks my heart when I see a fake service dog.
I am an aspie among many other things and have terrible anxiety. I get nervous arounf people and when i have to actually interact with someone im not farmiliar with. I have had panic and anxiety attack and have also had trouble with fainting in my past. I have a 4lb chihuahua whom i carry in a side sling with me to places that are stressful and give me bad anxiety. This way i can stim by petting him and he can alert me when im getting overly anxious and need to either take medicine to help calm me or just take a moment to clam mysekf down without medicine. In restaraunts he sits on my lap under the table ans the wieght/pressure on my legs is a very calming effect. I sleep better at night because of him and i havent had a bad panic attack in a while thanks to him. Im not sure id be here eithout him because he also has helped with my depression. He doesnt bark or make a mess. Most people dont even notice i jave him because hes so small and quiet and in the side sling.
Aww :) I feel very happy for you! I wish I could train one of my dogs to be an ESA, but I'm betting that we don't have the money or time and most people will probably try to tell me I don't need an ESA.
Aww :) I feel very happy for you! I wish I could train one of my dogs to be an ESA, but I'm betting that we don't have the money or time and most people will probably try to tell me I don't need an ESA.
Hum, I had not thought about using a dog to stim (IE petting). I will say it always bothers me that there is stigma against small service dogs
@@maroonie971 ESAs do NOT have public access rights btw, if you feel you need a dog to take places then you should look into getting an actual task trained service dog :)
@@laighacamren3061 my service dog is a 9lb chihuahua, all sizes can be a service dog, however it has to be TASK TRAINED for a disability, using it to swim by petting is NOT a task, that would be an ESA dog and service dogs shouldn't be carried, they can't perform tasks if they're in a sling (except maybe I diabetic alert dog that just needs to smell the handlers breath or whatever)
Some disabilities are not visible ,
No there not. But fake service dogs are.
+rainygirl65 The point is that a service dog is trained to provide some sort of service for a person with a disability-- it doesn't have to be a physical disability. There are people without disabilities, passing their pet dogs off as service dogs.
Definitely. :) Especially in the case of things like PTSD, schizophrenia, some forms of autism, etc. I've got a friend with a few mental health issues and she has a psychiatric service dog. Her dog can actually recognize when she's about to have an anxiety attack and will even help her get through it.
My cousin has an autism assistant e dog. She fainted one time when I was in the toilet and my aunty outside. Her dog magic then ran to the toilet and started "knocking" on the door so when I was finished he was outside the door and he started walking a bit then looked at me then barked so I started following him. He then led me into the living room where she had fallen and when I got there he then ran outside and came back in a bit later with my aunty. Assistance dogs are highly trained and for only people who need them.
when he kissed the dog my heart melted 💓
The dog was like "GIVE ME KISSES"
"Is your guide dog real?"
"Yes"
"What does your guide dog do?"
"Bites people's asses when they get near me"
I see a lot of comments on here about ESAs/Emotional Support Animals. ESAs are considered companion animals and are not typically specially trained. That being said, they are not allowed in public areas but are legally allowed in non-pet housing and on planes with their handler, as long as the handler calls ahead.
Service animals are defined as medical equipment; NOT PETS - and are specially trained to do one or more specific tasks for their handler. For example my psychiatric service dog is trained to alert me to destructive behaviors and panic attacks. That being said, there is NO LEGAL REGISTRATION for service dogs OR ESAs and if you pass your pet off as a service dog with a fake certificate and ID, then yes, you are, in fact, breaking the law.
ServiceDog Terra Many emotional support animals are trained to alert before a panic attack comes on or for children with autism who have emotional needs and the dogs are trained to support them in that. Emotional support dogs can be trained. Yes I have seen what you are talking about. The people in the store with their ill mannered teeny dogs going "THIS IS MY SERVICE ANIMAL" while they scream about the same thing. But ESAs can be trained.
I said they're not TYPICALLY trained, not that they can't be. And even if they are specially trained, they still aren't allowed in public areas like service animals are.
+ServiceDog Terra Emotional support animals should be properly trained so they don't disrupt other people. I was at a SciFi convention where someone had a badly trained ESA dog which barked constantly, I have autism and sensory issues and the dog's barking was extremely uncomfortable to deal with, it also ran up to people and jumped up on them.
+PKBitchGirl ESAs don't have public access rights. That person was breaking the law by having a fake service dog in a public area. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
An ESA is not a fake service dog it is simply a non working service animal.
Man it makes me sad people are scamming like is. So messed up. I'm a troublemaker myself and not perfect but I wouldn't stoop this low to scam anyone. Especially for the disabled persons in any way, shape, or form.
Howard Johnson I am deaf and have Autism and it my birthday
ElevatorsandTrains happy birthday.
KantoKraze thank you
I personally would like to see some form of ID that a service dog owner carries. Not to embarrass, harrass, or deny them access, but to block the fakers. There was an incident in Boston Airport last year. The "fake" service dog bit someone at the boarding gate. After investigation the owner was found to not have any disabilities and was using eBay purchased vest. So, let's plop some fines on these people. Start a fund and use the money to help those in need.
Totally agree. If it's a service dog, get the proper paperwork. Why is that so hard?
+1Tanedra The problem is that there is no proper paperwork in the US. There is no requirement for registration, vests, or any sort of identification other than verbal, "Yes, this is a service dog". I would love to see this change as a legitimate handler, but only if they can do so in a way that does not cost me a lot of extra money, or require me to go through a program that has a 2-4 year waiting list.
+Helena I've recently been having more issues with non-handicap cars parking in handicap spots. It increases with bad weather.if I wear glasses or am an organ donor it's on my license/ID. The same should go for service dogs. Who approves? Your physician, just like my handicap placard I needed signed approval from my physician. We need a license to go fishing. Getting proper assistant dog card should be easy. There should be a list of requirements. Doc checks off applicability. My doctor gave me a card describing my metal implants for airports. I think this is something the ADA should be exploring.
Most handlers say they object to any officially ID from becoming a thing, but personally I'd be perfectly happy if there was an official test owner trained dogs have to take to get an official ID, it's the only way to separate the legit SDs to fake, I don't get why anyone would be like 'oh my right my rights! No I don't approve of ID!'
How are you protecting your rights by ALLOWING all these fake dogs to exist?!
I do have an owner trained SD btw, I'm not some random clueless person giving my opinion.
I'm in the UK though, people here don't kick up such a fuss about 'my rights' we tend to think about what has the best outcome rather than crying about freedom being taken away.
Don't get me wrong, I live that America has more freedom than we do, but sometimes you gotta look at the bigger picture
@@LailaHepburnandmarleysdit Its apples & oranges if your comparing the laws or ways of two different countries. I have a white cane for poor vision a bus driver gave me hell for not having a bus pass. I said, I'm not destitute, I can afford a $1 bus ride and my vision loss was due to a car accident only two weeks prior. I gave hadc9 months of treatment and it has gotten better but people are clueless. We had a restaurant near me who tried to throw out a guide dog only few months ago. Laws been around for years, try to keep up.
I think, employees most be trained to spot fake service dogs and expos owners.
It would be a good idea, however most places do not even know the ADA, what they can and can not ask. There is no way they will ever be able to spot a fake service dog. You would be looking at huge law suits. Just getting employees up to speed on the ADA laws, would be a huge step in the right direction.
I have a self-trained SD and am in a wheelchair and will never do it any other way. It would be an ENORMOUS mistake to mandate professional training or certification. On the other hand, what would be wrong with requiring the CGCT (FREE OF CHARGE) for any animal expecting public access?
+shan hayes It's a bit of a grey shade. How do we know the right people would get any central admin establishment if one were to be made and how would we lobby for change if something wasn't right etc.
I fail to see how a dog that has never been trained by the handler or done anything really with them will work for and respect a handler like a self trained dog. I'm only just really looking into the legalities and everything else now for service dogs but growing up on acreage I've been around dogs me entire life and trained my own dogs before for obedience which turned out exceptionally well.
I agree that there needs to be some tightening of the reins somehow in attempt to limit assholes with pets.
I think you're on the right track here, but I don't think the CGC is rigorous enough. There are public access test designed by several organizations which are much more rigorous and might better show whether a dog is not only fit for public access but his task trained to mitigate a disability.
Jordan Bennett
I've been trying hard to get info here. Whilst QLD have set in stone new rules the rest are still the old system.
Since I'm in NSW I've tried to find info and the closest I can get is as long as my dog is behaved and assists me with a disability in some regard then I can declare it an assistance/service dog. I've asked a few mobs to further re-iterate on WHO says it is a service dog and always just get the we do x y z. Noone either knows or there is noone.
This means alike America (it's built on the ADA from there) anyone can claim a dog is an SD and it's hard to argue the point leaving it open to abuse by people with poorly behaved pets.
In an attempt to do the right thing I'm attempting to make common ground and deal with a group that aids in self training, primarily because I think they will have training ideas I don't since I've only trained general obedience before but also if the question is ever raised and they've had a hand in the dog somewhere (seeing it or testing it etc) someone can vouch for me. I in turn will assist them where possible (mainly by assisting anyone else with less experience than me who may be near to local I guess).
I don't know anything about the laws where you live, I live in Texas. But it sounds like you're on the right track. If your dog is well behaved, and assist you with your disability, then you probably can't go wrong. It is after 3 AM here, but I will try and find some information for you and if I do I will post it here.
+Glen O'Riley
Your assumption is incorrect, it is not easy to pass a poorly behaved pet off as a service dog because the moment it misbehaves, the property owner has the right to demand it be removed.
That little boy is so stinkin sweet!!!!
That young man is adorable. I hope he is doing well.
As a service dog partner, I can say there are far too many people abusing the law with fake service dogs. BUT, until retail establishments start enforcing the law and stop fearing lawsuits, by asking the 2 questions, we're going to continue to experience an epidemic of fake service dogs. ALSO, the promotion of the fact that Registration and Certification is required further damages legitimate service dog relationships with handlers, the public and retail establishments.
HOWEVER:
One major omission in this video upsets me. A service dog services a person with a qualified disability. Often, that disability inhibits the person's ability to maintain competitive employment earning enough to purchase a service dog. And often the disability places a financial burden on family and loved ones prohibiting buying a service dog. Yes, there are organizations which do not charge for service dogs, but this video failed to mention the reality of wait lists. A majority of these organizations have waitlists up to 3, yes THREE, years. And those organizations which do not have such wait lists should let it be known. Far too many people who can benefit from service dogs are turned away from the idea of such a partner once that inquire with the first organizations. I know, I was.
Assistance Dogs International:
I challenge you, as an organization, to promote service dogs training assistance. Promote organizations to develop the teaching skills necessary to empower others to train service dogs. Such as Owner Trained Service Dogs. Not all service dogs can be owner trained due to the disability services, but a large number can. When these services become available, then the number of fake dogs can be reduced. "Heck, I can't wait 2 years or pay 10s of thousands of dollar. Let's train my own." I am proud to have to have trained my SD and those who meet him, including partners of dogs from non-profits, are amazed at his behavior and capacity to promote independence. Sometimes fighting the problem isn't the best approach but helping to eliminate it is. There is a major difference in tactics.
I had a news article about me and my 9lb chihuahua assistance dog (I'm in the uk) and all the people commenting were like 'that's not a real AD!' (He IS, he's task trained for some autism stuff and also does migraine alerts, which part of that isn't an AD? 🤣) and the comments were really hurtful and then the next day I got an email saying an autism dogs place was opening the wait list again, but they wanted 13k for a dog, and I'd only have like a year to come up with the money! No chance.
Then found another place, not yet ADI accredited but are hoping to be soon, and they provide dogs free but they won't even CONSIDER reopening the waiting list until the end of 2022 and them 2-3 year wait for an actual dog! That's like 4 years waiting and I'm already 35 years old and have lost half my life due to being stuck at home, so I'm just guna buy a Lab next year and hire a trainer to help me to increase the chances of success, and then it'll still he expensive and it'll still take at least 1.5 years to train, but at least I can pay as I go and I'll have a better bond with the dog this way anyway :)
my dogs name is harmony..... she responded to her name XD
I see this ALL THE TIME. I don't understand why people do this!
Omg that little boy is so cute. Bless his soul.
Just cause the person bought there vest online doesn't really mean it's a fake service dog. You can train your own service dog, and buy a vest online, and it can still be a real service dog. I bought my dogs vest from Amazon cause I wanted him to train him with a vest on vs training him and than once he's ready he gets a vest... But I know plenty of people buy them for pets so they can take them anywhere and it does make me angry.
I use my pet dog as a ESA dog. I have social anxiety and borderline panic attacks. My heart will race so fast and she knows when its about to happen. She will lick and try to calm me and it helps a lot. I wish I could take her more places so I could get out in the world a little more but I know she's not allowed so I stay a shut in more then I would like. I would never try to buy one of those fake vest things, it wrong for people to do that. when she flies on the plane with me I respect everyone around us and keep her in her bag. it makes it really hard on me so I have to take something to help me but that's the only time I take anything I don't like taking meds for anxiety.
I have severe social anxiety and general anxiety, how would I acquire a service dog?
I have panic attacks basically all day without medicine, and it sucks because I'm switching meds right now.
ThEcAnDyCrAcKeR I'm still looking into her getting legally certified. I think it might be like a doctors prescription or note. I'm not totally sure yet.
Sorry if this comes late, but you actually do not need medical prescription for a service dog. Of course I would recommend talking to your therapist just to have some sort of path laid for your plans and whatnot, but technically all you would have to do is specifically train tasks for your dog to perform to help with your anxiety. For example train her to smell the rising cortisol levels in your breath so she can alert when you are going into a panicked or anxious state. There are lots of videos on youtube about training scent detection and a quick google search can show lots of tasks service dogs can be trained to help an anxious handler :)
ESA have limited accessibility to the public. They cannot go into malls or grocery stores.
At my first job, at a grocery store, there was this man who brought in 2 dogs with the service dog vests. They were barking up a storm, tugging on the leash, not being friendly. Then my now ex-girlfriend's step mother who also works retail at a Lowe's, had a "service dog" in the store, and this dog actually attacked an employee, biting her in the face. Those people are making things very difficult for those with actual service dogs..
The bond between a child and his dog and if it is a service dog I feel the bond is even tighter
I am hearing disabled, considering legally deaf according to the State of Louisiana. I can hear, but not like I should and have hearing aids. I read lips a lot to make sure I am understanding what people say. I had never been told by anyone, not my doctor or audiologist, that there was such a thing as a hearing dog. My dog naturally did not like the sound of my alarm and makes sure I get up to turn that racket off! I am currently training her for other 'daytime' alerts.
I had never heard of fake dogs until I was working out of town with this company. On the crew there were THREE fake service animals: 1) a 3 month old pup that was not trained in any way and could not be considered a service dog in training even; 2) a dog that was not disciplined, allowed to run around off leash, jumping in peoples laps uninvited, etc. etc.; and 3) a "Comfort CAT".
Anyone who truly has a service animal knows the laws: 1) a service dog must be TRAINED at least in obedience to be considered a service dog in training; 2) a service dog must be controlled by the handler at all times, tethered unless tethering restricts the dogs ability to perform its tasks; and 3) a service dog must be a DOG (or miniature horse) and there is no such thing as a "comfort dog" or "emotional support dog"...actually ALL dogs fall into these descriptions.
I mentioned to my co-workers that I wish I knew more about getting my dog "certified" (I didn't know any different) as she actually does help me. My co-workers simply wanted to have their pets with them and not have to pay pet deposits at the hotel. The lady with the cat even admitted that it was because her cat as 15, she had it since she was 10 and couldn't bare to leave it at home while on the road. It was then that I learned of these companies that you can send money to and voila, have a service animal. I was shocked and did some research. When I talked to my supervisor about it, his reaction was "so". I quit that company a couple weeks later, wrote a letter to the owner of the company and contacted the hotel they were staying at and advised them they were being taken advantage of by their lack of knowledge of the ADA.
Now I have made it my personal mission to go online and find companies that provide patches and ID's that encourage fake dogs with claims of "emotional support", "comfort", etc. I contact these companies and ask them to please re-evaluate their product line and eliminate items for fake dogs. I couldn't believe this one company had vest patches stating "Caution: Handler has Dyslexia" and another that said "Hashimotos/Thyroiditis Service Animal"...NEITHER of these conditions warrant the necessity of a service dog, but companies will say "nearly every American has a disability of some type". While that MAY be true, not all disabilities necessitate assistance.
Jo Anne Prewitt Thank you for providing information to everyone. It's been informative to me too. I'm getting ready to train my service dog and I want to get an "in training" vest, and harness (as he will be mobility/support/stability) where do I start? Do I just buy one or do you have a place you recommend purchasing from?
You can search online for 'service dog vests' but be aware you will find companies that sell service dog packages for fake SDs. They also tend to be rather expensive. You can also purchase an ordinary vest at most pet stores and get patches online to sew on that identify as a service dog. I use a company through ebay. I sew my own vests as I do not need any 'hardware' such as a handle (seeing eye dog). I put in a pocket to keep the ID and Certificate (both homemade - see below) and shot records in (important to have shot records handy!). I made my own ID card as it is easier than dealing with some of the idiots out there that do not know about SDs. I have the ADA law regarding requirements for SDs on the back and state "For more information go to www.ada.gov". I have seen some with the statement "Although not required by law, this Handler provides this ID as a courtesy." Mine cost all of $3 to get printed (full color photo) and laminated at Office Depot. I also made my own "Certificate" as any certification comes from the trainer, and since she is owner trained, her Certificate is owner made!
Jo Anne Prewitt i would love to talk to you about training a dog. I got a dog from some friends of mine with the intention of making her a therapy dog. Since then I became aware that she alerts when I become really upset to the point of crying and shaking. I can't afford a trainer and have been trying to train her myself, including stopping bad habits he picked up before I got her. For years I have had periods of time will I'm in so much pain, around my abdomen, that I'm forced to sit or lay down and curl up just to relieve some of the pain. I also have pain in my back for over two years that will leave me writhing in pain and sometimes unable to breathe right. Recently I have become unable to do much due to an injury from falling, which has also caused me to have more back pain and left my right arm stiff around the shoulder where I can't even lift it over my head, and bending down hurts and causes me to have bad dizzy spells. I want to train her to block when any of this happens and to help alert someone who can help me, for example my mother. I'm not sure if I should train her to retrieve things.
Debra Ehrhart So far I've only trained Hearing Alert dogs (mine and my Dad's), but I imagine the same kind of training applies to other alerts. I can't really train long distance, but I can direct you to some videos that might help you to train her yourself - you might have to 'tweak' them to your needs. Go to my website at www.vividantraining.com and go to the contact page and I'll send you some information that may be helpful. All I ask is PLEASE be honest with me! Fake dogs do cause a MAJOR problem for real SDs and I do not want to be any part of helping someone pass off a fake dog! I hope you understand my apprehension in this matter...Also, what kind of dog is she and I'll research to give you some info on that breed that is helpful in training. (something I do for all people I meet with - for free - whether they hire me to train their dog or not! I feel it is very important - you can read why on the "About" page on my website.)
My dog happens to be a mix breed, she's 3/4's Sheltie and 1/4 Chihuahua. I chose to use a smaller dog due to where I'm living. I'm not sure if that's a problem or not. I do promise I am not lying about my problems though. As of right now I have a sling for my right arm to try helping alleviate some of the pain and pressure, though to be honest I'm not seeing how it's helping. I agree that having a fake dog is wrong and would never want to pretend to have any disability.
Right now she is 6 months old, she'll be 7 months next week. I'm unsure if it's ok that I started training her with basic obedience like sit, sat, down, come, heel; and have been working on teaching her not to bark at people and animals. If for any reason it doesn't work out I will be speaking to my family about getting a trained dog from one of the organizations out there, and I'd just make her a pet.
God the biggest pet peeves is people walking around the mall with "service dogs". The other day I was at the store and this woman had her chihuahua mix and I didn't think nothing of it but UNTIL her dog lashed at a child minding her own business. It infuriates me because her dog was growling so much and pulling so much and it's so wrong to do have a fake sd. I'm not saying she didn't have a disorder but she shouldn't be in places with crowded people if her dog is going to behave like that the whole time.
The law states that if a service dog is acting inappropriately or causing a disturbance, the establishment has the right to ask them to leave and legally they have to go.
I would be interested to know what tasks that dog was trained to do
My SD is a chihuahua and these tiny fakes piss me off cuz it makes people assume my dog is fake too, a lot of people don't realise small digs actually can be service digs, depending in what kind of tasks the handler requires the dog to do.
When I worked at a restaurant this woman brought in a dog. The dog was extremely small and she held it in her hands while she ordered. I asked her if it was a service dog and she said yes. But the dog did not act like a service dog. If barked at everything and almost attacked a man for walking by it. I didn't think it was a service dog but I was too afraid to ask the woman to leave.
+kenicke579 Businesses and restaurants have rights as well as service dog teams, there are two questions that can be asked by a business: "Is this a Service Dog" and "What task or tasks is the dog trained to perform?" All businesses have a right to ask a handler to remove their service dog on two occasions: If the service dog is not behaving properly for public access (such as posing a threat to public health and safety, like making a mess or relieving themselves in the business, or even attacking someone or another service dog team) or causing a disturbance in public. The business can ask the handler to leave and return without their service dog and it is not considered illegal to do so. The only time it is illegal to refuse service to a service dog team is for any reason other than the two reasons listed earlier.
The child kisses the dog's head. Okay that was the sweetest thing ever.
This video makes a very good point, but what they themselves do that is damaging is this: this video makes it seem (quotes like "support legitimate service dog training centers") that if a service dog is trained at home it is not legitimate. YOU CAN TRAIN YOUR OWN SERVICE DOG. This does NOT mean "yeah, it's fine, bring your pet", of course, because it is not.
I agree My dog was trained at home and he was tested by a trainer, he passed his access test, and K9 good citizens. But I agree those sites need to be taken down.
thank you for making this point!!! Maybe some advertising here, lol! Because of the expense of most of these so called "legitimate service dog training centers", there is a great trend of people training their own dogs (of course usually at some point with some guidance or consulting with an experienced SD trainer. For example, I will be training my dog, as a 'regular trainer", I can do socialization, obedience, GKC, and public access training. There is no need for me to spend a lot of money to do have someone else do what I can do... and as those with dogs know, it is the public access that is the most challenging and will make or break whether your dog will "make it". The nature of my disabilities, obviously makes me able to do this. However I do know of cases where another family member or friend helps train a service dog for an individual who is unable to do so. Training really creates a bond between the trainer and the dog, so I actually think owner training has a lot of advantages. Someone who is not a "trainer" can be trained to train! When we get into more task training I will be seeking someone to consult with, just to get more info/ideas, and because some of the tasks will require another person. Ultimately your dog will need to respond to you! I have also heard a few horror stories about some of these "service dog programs", especially the ones that provide you with a "pre trained or partially trained dog..... People have lost thousands of dollars after and dog trained for them did not work out or had problems.....I have read up to $60,000 for some of these programs, and many have long waiting lists. They usually scare people into thinking they need a "specially bred service dog", which is not true. And - owner trained service dogs are every bit as legit and well trained... in fact maybe better!
Ellen Heyer Good post! I trained my own dog as well! Please, please, PLEASE don't let anyone take advantage of you in this "finishing phase". People will promise you all sorts of shit and charge you BIG DOLLAS to do it for you. You can probably do it better and faster than they can. Imagine the psychological health of your animal too. The dog is not going to respond to strangers like it would you, and it may regress in training with a stranger. Just a few little thoughts...
911ambulancegirl On the other hand, there ARE some really good trainers out there. Even ones who totally volunteer their time and work hard to be advocates for people with disabilities -- don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the "officially" trained dogs are illegitimate either. I just think it's a very bad oversight in this video not to acknowledge home-trained dogs. (Think of it like public school vs. home school -- different things work with different children, dogs, and families as a whole.)
razzleberrycat amen!
my disabled dad was KICKED out of GOOD WILL because he's service dog did not have a vest how dumb is that!?!?! Walmart let her (the dogs a her not my dad XD)
in every other store let's her in stupid ''good will'' pisssh
he is in a wheel chair so ya and she does have a vest
I life in Michigan and really never seen another service dog in my life there not comin
If you live in Michigan and you say you have never seen another service dog and that they are not common, what about leader dogs for the blind? It is in Rochester, and is one of the biggest guide dog schools in the country. Guide dogs are service dogs too.
Jordan Bennett I don't think I've been their
+Annette Schaefer He should carry a copy of the laws with him, they are not allowed to require a vest.
I have a hearing ear service dog. I am so angry about people who say their dogs are real service dogs because then when I try to enter some places I am told "we had a dog chew up the carpet so we do not want you in here!" Alternatively I have been told repeatedly "we expected your dog to misbehave because of a previous one (which was probably a fake) that one and she is so good!" Please do not ruin this for the rest of us. I do not go anywhere without her! She is my ears - and my heart!
Emotional Support Digs need only be under control an non aggressive. No other training is required. 🐶
"My doawg"
+Bitch got shoulder Ass ilyt 😘
I had one of these fakers try to kill my service dog on a public bus the lady didn't even have a harness vest or nothing on her dog except a color & leash this dog went after my poor dog which hid under the bus seat hiding from this very abusive dog then the dumb idiot owner had the nerve to sit right next to me with her dog still trying to get at my poor now scared to death dog I finally screamed get your dog away from my dog which then she moved & I again yelled only service dogs are allowed on the bus which she replied back he is a service dog I again yelled that's no service dog as he is still trying to get back to the front of the bus to try & kill my poor dog by this time the whole bus full of people is scared right along with my poor dog which finally prompted the bus driver to tell her to get off the bus my leg got scratched & scared do to this fake service dog that happened blocking him from getting at my dog which I figure better my leg then my dog but everyone on the bus agreed that it was no real service dog to do my poor dog that way I now try getting car rides when I can at least in a store my dog & me can have a chance to get away.
DiamondsFaith This is a bad excuse against fake service dogs. Even though I'm against fake service dogs, I don't think it affects real service dogs. If you think it does, then explain this. What about regular dogs that are allowed in stores or on the street. Shouldn't those dogs affect your service dog as well? What should we do about regular pet dogs, ban them from leaving the house because they might encounter a serviced dog.
Either you're a troll or live somewhere pets are allowed i'll guess you live where pets are allowed if you have a vicious dog YES! leave it home it don't belong around pets or service dogs or kids for that matter*
Re-reading your initial comment, I hate to sound mean or anything, but if your dog is a real service dog, you would have known that vests and/or harnesses are not required. Also, your dog cowering doesn't make it seem like its a real SD as real ones are trained to stand their ground and protect the handler - not be aggressive, but not run and hide, either. Also, short of telling in what way the other dog was 'abusive', could it be possible it was being friendly, wanting to play? Which, that is still an indication of it not being an SD as they are trained to keep attention on the handler and ignore other people and dogs.
Actually the dog this happened to had to be passed on as a pet & I now have a new dog which is much better* Now on to the vest/harnesses of course no vest/harnesses or even ID's are required but I was going by how vicious that dog was I lived on a farm for 4 years & worked at a vet for 14 years I do know when dogs are wanting to play or fight & that dog wanted to kill my dog it was viciously growling snarling & lunging at my dog & yes SD's are allowed to protect the handler & or themselves but at the same time not go looking to fight if that lady's dog was a real SD she needs to do much more training he was in no way focused on her he didn't listen to no commands given by this lady in no way shape nor form* this new dog I had to get is far more focused on me & her job I just only begin to lose my fear of riding the bus again thanks to this new dog*
DiamondsFaith Glad to hear the new dog is working out better for you. Sounds like your old one perhaps wasn't really properly trained. The way you worded your initial comment it seemed like you perhaps didn't know the laws which put doubt in my mind, and also you hadn't expounded on the other dogs behavior. :)
So much love between the dog and child
As someone who has an actual service dog, I'm honestly still appalled at how often people have the audacity to come up to me and ask me "how do i get my dog certified to do that?" so they can fly with the dog in the cabin with them. it's shocking.
Be aware, sometimes it's not people wanting to do that, but people testing YOU.
I have a disability and I was able to train my dog with books and information I studies because I cannot afford a trainer. I have every right to have her and register her on those sites that sell those id's that allow me to identify her so I can take her with me everywhere. I do not agree with some of what its said here; but I truly hate people that want to pass regular pets as service animals. However, those like us with very limited income cannot be pushed aside and we have every right to self train our dogs. Even the ADA stipulates that no formal training is needed. But I have witnesses as to how my dog has aided me in public. There is never only 2 sides to things, people.
Those registration websites are absolute scams, you're aware of that right? Even the DOJ says so.
www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html
+Brynhild Wotansdottir A reputable trainer will work with your financial situation and may even help you to get set up with agencies such as Go Fund Me to get donations to pay for the training. Your dog should meet all of the criteria of at least the AKC's Canine Good Citizen Program which is something a trainer can sign off on for you. Finances should never be a reason to prevent you from getting help if you truly need it.
Sharon Hoelzle You can do a lot of training yourself between sessions, if the trainer sets you up correctly. You also have to really research the trainer because some of them are really awful. There's a guy in Texas who claims to have trained a service dog in a month and used one of those scam websites. The dog is still a puppy.
+Rainbow Spoonie That's what my trainer did with me. He came once a week, I was shown what to do and logged my time with my dog. However, he follows the standards of the iiadp and my dog completed more than the recommended 120 hours and he tested her during training as well as at the end before signing off on her Canine Good Citizen Certificate since there is no "service dog" certificate. There are great, honest trainers out there, you just need to be willing to do the work to find them and not try to take short cuts.
No trainer I contacted offered a discount, nor to set me up to train my dog myself. And again, ADA says clearly that no "formal" training is required. That is there as a provision for poor folks like myself. So I got a bunch of good books written by reputable trainers and trained my dog myself. I also made a point to train her to pass any of the criteria used to test a service dog. She performs them beautifully. So again, there's ppl like me who cannot afford a trainer but are responsible enough to train our dogs to actually help us. I'm bipolar II rapid cycle, and my dog is my lifeline.
What about the disabled person who has the ability to train their own dog and cannot afford one of the glossy labradors. I was born with a profound disability (arthrogryposis). I had over 20 surgeries by the time I was 10, just so I could walk. I am now in my 60s. I applied for a service animal but the waiting list was 2 years. I knew I would be laid up for 6 months following more surgery. I bought and trained a terrier myself. She pulls my socks off, picks things up, fetches remote or phone, gets my laundry together, pulls things from the drier. She has saved my life twice when I fell and broke my hip. I asked if I could get her certified but was told she had to be certified through ADI even though I live in Canada. I had no choice except to have a vest made so I can take her shopping with me. If I drop my keys she is my only hope. There has never been a problem in over 10 years. She has flown with me and gone everywhere with me. Now I am being faced with new laws which will in effect ban me from shopping because my service animal is not officially certified through ADI. Is this not a direct form of prejudice?
Like every system it's flawed and needs some changes but no ones wants to do it cause it involves work
MrTimjwilson I don't know about Canada, but in the US there is NO OFFICIAL CERTIFICATION. The only certification is from whoever trained the dog which CAN be the HANDLER!! There is no requirement for any kind of vest, ID or certificate. This is where people with fake dogs are getting by on it. The general public including most businesses, THINK there is a certification and that an ID and vest are required, so people faking it get those and no one knows the difference. Its really sad. I have trained my own hearing assistance dog and that is perfectly legal!
Jo Anne Prewitt As I stated, in Canada they must be certified as I outlined. It is highly discriminatory.
I have a Service dog that I spent a month at the facility and spend 8 hours every 2 weeks training. It is a lot more than buying a vest and card, I go through the Public Access test every year and retraining every 5 years. Its a major lifestyle change but its worth it.
The first boy was adorable
Can a lupus patient utilize a service dog?
Jane Doe If the doctors say you can than yes
they have to be trained to do a specific task like maybe alerts support with weaknesses ect.
+BunnyGamer
A Doctor giving approval is not a requirement.
Katherine Richardson that is what service dog is, period, though, right?
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And yet... the law says otherwise. There is no law that requires your disability to be validated to legally use a service animal. Nor that a doctor actually approve the use of a service animal.
Me and my boyfriend were talking about me getting a service dog for my bad anxiety. He thinks maybe a regular dog to start with and train him or her as a puppy so she will be in my care and if my anxiety gets worse in public like it has been then we will use him or her in public. Should I not get a service dog or is me having anxiety and a service dog her it not needed? I understand why they are needed and I think a service dog could really help me
Cheyenne Nalder I think you would enjoy having a dog, even if it's just at home for a while, it's very soothing and I know my dog calms me down when I'm stressed(not a service dog though, he's just a family pet). You would not be breaking any rules or abusing the benefits of a service dog because it could help you. My advice: look into it, dogs are great.
Cheyenne Nalder as a family dog. Anxiety is bad don't get me wrong but it's not potentially life threatening or going to be the end of everything. One question you need to ask yourself is how much will it really help.
+chloe g well when I'm in public I can't function well and i can't handle it sometimes
Cheyenne, I would look at getting a family dog and then work with a trainer to help train the dog to cater to your needs. My dog is just a normal family dog but when we are out with friends who have anxiety he will step up and help them if they are struggling and he has never had any formal training for such a thing. Dogs are extremely intuitive and sensitive to their humans and by training with the dog from day one you will build a deeper bond with it.
Service dogs are definitely allowed for anxiety. All you have to do is have your doctor write a letter and say that it is a disability and then the dog has to be able to preform at least 3 tasks to mitigate the disability. For example with anxiety there could be blocking, deep pressure therapy, and a couple other tasks to help you. Just depends if your doctor agrees that you're disabled.
i just recently had a fake one jump and try to play with my sd who at the time was alerting me about a vertigo attack. thank you for this video
Our university campus had a big problem with people bringing their pets to campus so the campus community police and the university passed a policy that all service dogs who would be regularly on campus were required to register for an identity card that verifies they're trained service dogs and wear a vest at all times. We also had a puppy problem with three local organizations that raised and certified service dogs allowing too many university students to be trainers as it was popular among applicants to the veterinary college, so they set limits to self-regulate the number of trainees on campus. It was too bad they had to put their foot down, but the system makes the people who need the dogs feel more secure according to one person I know. She knows no pet will attack her dog any more on campus, and that keeps everyone safer.
my gosh I didn't know people were that stupid enough to try and fake their dogs as service dogs. I had service dogs and my family for a while and I can't believe people that are so stupid when it comes to dealing with service dogs. when people do this shit around me they're going to get ranted at so hard
If someone tells you they need their dog for emotional support, fucking listen to them. People like me suffer panic attacks, severe anxiety, etc. and if a dog is what I need to make it so i'm able to speak clearly and with some minor air of confidence, then that's what I need. Same for anyone else like me.
ruby99999777 I completely understand where you're coming where you're coming. I personally have social anxiety myself and have a friend who dissociates and completely shuts down sometimes. I understand the need for a personal support dog but if that thing's not trained you are causing a big problem. if the animal is not trained they have a likelihood of attacking a trained dog. do you understand where I'm coming from now?
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I'm aware, if the dog isn't trained, call them out on that. You did not mention that in your post though.
ruby99999777 well my mistake I'm sorry . the thing is I'm honestly not going to notice a fake if they're not acting out
my phone keyboard is glitching out so sorry for missing punctuation
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No problem
Before you say you have a service dog ask yourself what task your dog does. If the answer is stop my panic attacks by being there your dog is an ESA not a service dog. In the UK your dog has to perform 3 tasks, not one, to be classed as a service dog as most countries do not recognise ESAs.
In the US there are psychiatric service dogs which can be trained to prevent panic attacks and do other things like regular service dogs. These are different then ESAs.
CocoaAndTea Kind of. They need to do trained tasks, not just use the dogs own ability.
www.iaadp.org/iaadp-minimum-training-standards-for-public-access.html
+Rex888dA are they required to pass good citizen test before going out in public?
CocoaAndTea ESAs? no. However, no matter the country a service dog needs to have had at least 120 hours of training. The good citizen awards are an appreciated bonus that should be taken into consideration
+Rex888dA 120 hrs of training before what?
i saw a "service dog" the other day at a playground after school that was running around all over the place, and it even bumped into a few kids. honestly, its pretty sad.
This is so sad. I'm tired of people staring at handlers trying to figure out what disability the people have. The need to learn respect.
i would like to point out that its not only service dog companies their are individual trainers like i am and we help to. i honestly have a firm believe that IF YOU ARE CAPABLE of training your SD with help then you should because the bond is stronger if you grow together. and on another point i had a lady approach me in a store because my dog barked at a small dog in a cart who was growling and i was in a moment of vertigo mind you my dog is a rescue 5 years old and in training this woman came up to me and yelled at me that im a horrible for bring my "pet" into the store and im braking the law by claiming im disabled all this time saying nothing to the woman with the small pet who was absolutely filthy and growling at my SD in training so whatever you do dont ever ever immediately jump the gun about whats going on because this woman set me off into a saver panic attack and my dog had not yet learned how to aid in that yet so if you decide to approach someone ask if they are disabled a pet owner will likely immediately say no dont just start yelling at them because they could be training there dog. now mind you mine only goes out when i need him because he has some unbreakable habits and i am currently trying to get a puppy to raise as an sd but its not that simple when rescues give you a 10 page contract that says what you can and cannot do with you own dog or they will take it away from you(sometimes a good thing sometimes not in the case of a service dog not), so if you dont know the story please dear god dont open your mouth you may make it worse for that disabled person this is coming from someone who is severally afraid of people to the point of i dont leave my house. yea my grammar is horrid no i dont care
Same reason I don't like to out people are assholes and seem to look for every reason and excuse to cause problems with others I'm disabled and only 23 and people always try to tell me I'm to young to be disabled I'm probly just lazy and want to work and just attention but it's like okay if I'm to young then wat about people born with disabilities they would fall into the to young category to if there around my age so would that make a 10 year child with cerabrpalsey or mental retardation just lazy and faking to or someone who got into a car accendent and became parilized lazy also. I hate people I genarenly tell people off when I am out in public because they don't know how to not be rude and yet they can be rude but as soon as u say something to them ur the asshole.
OblivionKisame i know 100% what you mean I'm actually doing a blog post on that.
OblivionKisame I had this problem when I was younger. Every time I turned around someone had something to say about how much pain I was in (which made my panic and depression worse) and how it "can't be that bad". Now that I'm 33 and it's more and more apparent like when I reach for something and my shoulder goes "LOL NO" and you can physically see it pop out, people react differently. I often have trouble walking and recently had the perfect dog come into my life. I'll be training him myself as I cannot afford a trainer. But he has some basic obedience and has a perfect demeanor and reactions. Once he's fully trained, it's not going to make him any less of a working animal because I trained him myself.
Sherlock Ashleigh Stobart because of how people have treated me because of my problems and the constant staring( and their is a difference between looking, gazing and just flat out rudely non stopingly staring) and always being asked every where I go by almost everyone I bump into to what happens and what's wrong and people throwing pity and sympathy in my face and acting like care when they don't there just being nosy cause as soon as I tell them I don't want to talk about it they pissed and tell me I'm being rude. Plus I get I will fall or drop something and need help cause of my disabilitys and no one helps they just ignore me and I I ask for help they tell me no so because of people I barely go out and barely interact with others.
Well isn't this a real kick in the teeth to low income families that can't afford to splurge tens of thousands of dollars on professional training.
That is true that some people may not be able to afford a service dog; my friend has diabetes and celiac disease and needs a service dog and since the dogs are so expensive our town raised a decent amount of the money to help pay for the dog
+Lauren S why would your friend need a service dog if she is a celiac? I know I may not have the full story but me and my mum ar celiacs too and that means we can't eat gluten so......😐😕
+Aimee Desmond she also has diabetes so the dog tells her when her blood sugar is too high or low
+Lauren S that's a load of crap. I've had four metal implants in spine, total reverse shoulder replacement, I'm an insulin diabetic and I have celiac, and other food allergies, PTSD from a drunk driver that almost killed me. So far none of those things warrant a service dog. Low sugar, prick your finger and test your damn blood level. I good diabetic actually tests their sugar regularly. No excuse for lows or highs if you're doing what doctor says! So no..... Friend don't need a service dog, NEXT!
+Bruuski I hope you are aware that there are diabetic service dogs, she got hers from an organization in California I believe, but she needs a service dog if you need one it's not like you need a diabetic service dog you would get one that's trained for what you need it for
Also, my service dog in training just almost got attacked by a woman who's dog was wearing a fully trained service dog vest, but lunged at my dog, who is 9lbs. My dog put herself between me and the dog and sat while the woman worked to get her dog under control and mine isn't even fully trained yet. That was messed up.
My 4yr old autistic son has a service rat, he doesn't care much about dogs. I know it may seem weird (even gross to some) but Roxin truly is a blessing to all of us.
As a landlord my question is this: Dogs, cats, etc shed hair. Many people are allergic to pet hair or pet dander. Once these get into the heating system it is blown all over the house making the house unlivable for the next renter who may have pet allergies thereby limiting the number of renters who will want the house and consequently impacting the revenue I get from the house. How is it fair to the property owner to be forced to allow a factor into the house which will have a negative impact on investment
+John Henry Do you own four or more properties? If not then you do not have to allow service dogs. If you do then deal with it as it is federal law.
Please advise the statute that supports your stance. Be assured it is not about the disabled person, it is about the pet hair and dander that any animal leaves behind....tenants that follow cannot "deal with" their allergic reactions to these substances and even the most thorough cleaning will not remove it to a level that eliminates allergic reaction. Please don't be hostile....this is just a conversation not an attack. thanks.
+John Henry There are certain dog breeds that are better for people who have allergies. Including the following,
Irish Water Spaniel,
Kerry Blue Terrier,
Maltese,
Poodle (any size),
Portuguese Water Dog.
Although, for a service dog you'd be more likely to see a Poodle.
Somebody While this may be true it doesn't answer the basic question. If people have a service dog we cannot demand they have only certain breeds....that's why I can't rent to people with animals regardless of what they are. It is too bad because I have great respect for true service dogs and I have empathy for this that require this assistance. However, rental property is my business and my income. If I have to rent to people with animals I lose the ability to rent to a great number of prospective tenants due to the high number of those with allergies. People want to make this an anti-service dog issue but it absolutely isn't. There are a lot of rental properties that do accept animals so landlords should not be forced to accept animals against their own best interest.
+John Henry It is the law, and you as a landlord should know that. It is not the people on the internet's responsibility to know this. But yours.
People are allergic to flowers too, do you not allow those in your buildings?
"keep supporting dog breeding instead of rescue & rehabilitation (shelter dogs make amazing guide dogs), and funding the government programs and agencies that we approve for certain disabilities, so not everyone who needs a service animal can have one."
or, adopt, get your dog certified as an AKC CGC (canine good citizen), which is just slightly beyond basic training and obedience anyway, and that every responsible pet parent should do, and your dog then qualifies as a _support_ animal under the ADA. anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar. you don't even need to do the CGC training, but you should if you intend to have your dog legally recognized (ie for housing reasons, a support animal can never be turned away just like a service animal) as a support animal.
seitanismycopilot - Support animals are just pets and require no training or certification. Any animal can be classified as a support animal - pigs, dogs, cats, reptiles etc. All you need is a RX or letter from your Dr stating the need for the support animal.
You can't be denied housing but anywhere that bans dogs can ban support animals.
Service dogs need to be trained and certified and are not pets. They are allowed everywhere.
Missed the point completely. 🙄
But that's wrong; neither a service or support animal can be treated as just any other pet when it comes to housing laws, and cannot be the reason a person who has one is denied housing. If it is, it's considered disability discrimination in violation of the fair housing act for service and support animals.
seitanismycopilot - Your reading comprehension needs some work. Support animals are only protected for housing. IE no pets policies, fees etc. Requires a Drs note.
Does NOT require any training, certification etc to be legal. An iguana can be a support animal. You can't train an iguana like a dog. Your statement that some special AKC paper is needed to be legal for housing is wrong. All that's required is a Drs letter stating the need for one.
But that's as far as support animal laws go. You can't take them into business or buildings that ban animals. (Obviously no place can ban a trained service animal)
A support animal is not the same thing as a service animal. A support animal is a pet. A service animal is not.
Your point was what? To get some training paper to legally have a dog in a rental that doesn't allow them? Your point is wrong. No such requirement exists.
Wrong. But please keep proving it by trying to "comprehend" what was said. The ADA says otherwise, so it's stupid people's opinions like yours that don't matter. Like I said, you severely and clearly missed the point nor do you have a damn clue what you're talking about. Both service and support animals can travel, live, and go anywhere they are needed, despite training. If they are trained as a service animal, they are simply consodered differently, but they are not treated differently because of the important role they play. You should really read. You'd at least be able to feign the illusion of intelligence.
From the ADATA website under the fair housing reasonable accommodation act;
_"Housing
The Fair Housing Act (FHA) protects a person with a disability from discrimination in obtaining housing. Under this law, a landlord or homeowner’s association must provide reasonable accommodation to people with disabilities so that they have an equal opportunity to enjoy and use a dwelling.8 Emotional support animals that do not qualify as service animals under the ADA may nevertheless qualify as reasonable accommodations under the FHA.9 In cases when a person with a disability uses a service animal or an emotional support animal, a reasonable accommodation may include waiving a no-pet rule or a pet deposit.10 This animal is not considered a pet."_
I suffer from PTSD and an establishment asked me WHY I had a service dog. It gave me flashbacks of memories I don’t want and I broke down. He asked if he got enough training or any certification so I had to give him the trainers number.
Main Street Boxer thank you!! 💗
My dog is almost like a service dog, and is very well trained, and slows down for you and makes sure you are safe, but I would never say she is an actual service dog.
There's a difference between training your own service dog and forging a service dog certification. I'll be training my own hard of hearing assistance dog. Does that mean it's a fake service dog? No. Don't blame the system. Blame the people who abuse it.
Ruby is my service dog in training. She helps me since I have a bad knee. She will stand at my side when I get up from a kneeling position. She will also hand me anything I point at. Even though she does those things already for me I will not get her a service dog vest till she learns to be more calm in public.
PS new subscriber here and Ruby and I hope you will return the favor.
I have a service dog and this past month when we were out at the mall someone else's dog lunged at my service dog. Fake service dogs are a real problem to people who legitimately need a service dog to live a normal life.
I remember trying to help a customer who had a "service dog". And he lunged and snapped at me. I guess he had done the same a few times - and his owner angrily exclaimed "my service dog is supposed to protect me like that.' Never in my life had I met a REAL service dog like that. Once the dog bit someone in the store, she was banned from coming back in.
This is so cool, I've known yasson since elementary school, I see him roaming around the high school halls with harmony every day and in my neighborhood . And also they live by a neighborhood pond I fish there all the time. But it's great to see him in this video.
To stop people from abusing this gift of services dogs, we must make it criminal with steep conaquenes
I met a woman once with a service animal. She was very kind and told me all about her anxiety and how much her dog helped her through it. I swear I have never met a sweeter or better behaved dog since, and it's very sad that the system is being abused just so people can bring their pet dogs into the supermarket.
I have seen a fake before and the lady tried to prove it. The dog didn't follow basic commands like " sit " or "lay down".
Where I live, it's legal to bring a service dog into a business without its tags, and illegal for a business owner to request to see them. You can imagine how people take advantage of that knowledge. I see more fake dogs at the place where I work (barking at other customers, eating food that the owners throw on the floor, having the group take turns holding its leash) than real ones. People can be so disrespectful.
my friend had an emoitanal serveice dog because she would get out of control crying or throwing a fit but the dog actually helped
Emotional support animals have the same rights as pets besides housing and flying and they are not protected under the ADA. They are not the same as having a service dog. A service dog is trained at least 3 tasks to mitigate a disability. Only service dogs cannot be denied access.
This is becoming such a huge problem. We had a couple ask us about my wife's seizure response dog, blatantly stating that they wanted to get this for their pet. A few weeks later, sure enough, there they were in Winco with this ill behaved Yorkie, running around and distracting our service pup while sniffing food and peoples carts and legs, etc.. this removes legitimacy from those out there with genuine needs and very well trained dogs, trying to get through our day. It's bad enough to have adults and kids trying to pet him, or asking the most invasive or ignorant questions, but this is WAY too far. I don't want to make it harder for the real trainers, but something is going to have to be done, just because this stupidity and selfishness is going to get out of hand and cause real problems. Someone is going to get hurt. If Clancy is distracted, Hazel could come to with no warning, and a fractured skull. If another dog attacks Clancy, and he is forced to fight back or be hurt, does that mean that they are going to destroy our valuable and much loved service animal? What are we going to do?
There's a service dog at my school who pulls the kid, eats food off the ground, and aggressively began barking at a kid walking by.
Omg that pun at the end I just can't 😂
Thet should have goverment reccord of legitimate service dogs. That way companies can not sell fake papers!
EMOTIONAL SUPPORT IS NOT A TASK
No, it's a bonus.
Emotional Support Animals are quite legitimate. They are explicitly different from Service animals and they do not need to be specifically trained because their presence is what calms their owner. I have severe depression and my dog has saved me from myself on multiple occasions. He is what makes me rise everyday. He soothes my terrible social anxiety so when I interact the focus is not on me, allowing me to open up. I wish I could bring him everywhere with me but I can't! Sometimes it is extremely difficult without his support. There are bad apples in every bunch, as always some people are just abusing the privilege.
Walmart INSISTS on a vest. I ended up custom sewing one and buying patches online. Even though I show them the law stating they do not need to be vested, Walmart sends security and management after me. This has happened to me in my town’s coffee shop and 3 different Walmart’s in Canada & USA.
Yason (sorry if I spelled that wrong!) was so adorable. You can tell he really, really cares about animals. Especially Harmony. So cute! ❤️
Faking a service animal should be a felony.
fuck google+ It is
My grandfather got a fake certificate for his toy poodle simply because he's obsessed with taking her everywhere and was for some reason outraged establishments would not allow the dog inside. He just can't bare to leave her at home for long periods of time, and it annoys me so frickin much. It's just so wrong and disgusting, and I hate it.
it's so sad that people abuse the system....
I won a mediation suit after filing a grievance with the Department of Justice against a MAJOR health insurance company. They treated me and my service dog Hobbie worse than deplorably. Part of the final settlement was that they had to train their employees properly and submit proof of that training to me. When the DOJ gets involved you know it’s an egregious issue.
What could I do as a citizen when I see someone with an OBVIOUS fake service dog. Meaning a dog that's barking and growling and obviously not working. I would never question someone's disability, but I work in a store that caters to a very wealthy, privileged clientele and as the mother of an autistic person, it infuriates me when I see this gross misuse of a life changing tool.
I saw a video that said “putting service dog vests for sale online should be illegal” when that’s where me and my friend get are vests from online
Right! If you can't buy your vest online then where the hell are you supposed to get a vest? It's not like I can get a vest from a SD trainer cuz I don't have one. I'm training SDiT myself because I've been training show dogs since before I was 6, so I clearly know how to train a dog. Also what if somebody doesn't like the vest offered by their trainer or if the old vest wore out and they needed a new one?
What a sweet young man!!!
It's nice to see that the dog and the boy are such chums. As an Autistic person myself I know it can be a very lonely existence. But a dog will love you no matter what, maybe even more if you're disabled. And they're willing to please that special needs friend no matter what it takes. That's why dogs are my passion (movies as well as per my Aspergers).
The problem with this is: employees are told what answers are appropriate for service dogs vs emotional support dogs, and aren't instructed on what to do about it. So fake service animals end up being allowed in places they shouldn't be, and everyone pays the price.
such a sweet boy