When Oz/Vic first went into the underground tunnel - Oz glances/pauses at the overflow door - I took note of that and said there had to be some significance of that door...now we know...
I can't decide if I believe that Oz knew his brothers would die in the tunnels or if he just wanted to keep them away for a while so he could get some alone time with his mom. Like was he being a stupid kid who wasn't thinking about the consequences or was he actively malicious and trying to get rid of his brothers? The way his mom describes him and thinking two steps ahead of everyone would certainly imply the latter, but was that something he already had as a kid? I'm torn like I said
@@restlessoblivion I think the way they keep doing these shots where he looks out the window, the camera shifts to a scene of his brother or a jar full of water with toys floating in them, and then they cut back to Oz and he looks away and goes back to watching TV is really symbolically loaded. I feel like they are implying that Oz is aware of what is probably happening, and choosing to not do anything about it bc now his mom is only paying attention to him.
When I saw the title 'Top Hat' weeks ago, my first thought was that Rex's outfit resembles how the Penguin is depicted in the comics, which could inspire Oz to adopt a similar style, as Rex is his childhood hero. But I love the idea of Fred Astaire influencing Oz's fashion instead. Although the flashback is likely set in 1988, the Monroe has a timeless 1940s vibe, reminiscent of The Great Gatsby. I can picture Oz transforming it into his own iceberg lounge, complete with a top hat and a classic 1940s aesthetic, setting up it's appearance in The Batman 2.
Exactly...those were my thoughts when she killed the whole family and saved Gia..I think after visiting Gia she finally realized it..that's why she cried/panicked outside the door when she left..
17:40 "I don't know" The scene is Sophia realizing he's doing the EXACT SAME THING her father did to her, and in a quick panic, tries to talk to the girl like she's talking to her younger self: 'they were all bad men and when you get out of here...." It's the whole theme of Gotham as a city: It's an ouroboros of suffering.
Your analysis of this episode was fantastic. Exactly why I was excited to see your thoughts on this one. Especially the opening bit and the insight on not only what happened to his brothers, but the dynamics and influences that helped shape him. This show puts so much care in the details and the threads that ties everything together. Its so good.
Something is up with Victor. There is no reason Sophia should have left him alive. Also it doesn't seem like he warned anyone in the tunnels that there was trouble. They were all just going about their normal jobs and no one knew where he was when Oz asked.
Oz told Vic to find Donny Boy, the head of the Irish gang whose men were killed by the Maronis/Gigantes, and get his gang together. I suspect there could be a massive confrontation between the Gigantes and the Golden Summit for the finale.
👩🏾💻👩🏾💻 I think Oz Mom knows that he offed his Brothers, it may only be subconsciously but she knows!! The other thing, I think once his Mom comes to grip with them using her against Oz she's going to remind him of his promise to end her and I think Rex was Oz Father. He kinda figured that out while he was young (or at least he knew he and his Brothers didn't have the same Father) and maybe thought that's why his Mother "favored" them more. I love the show and hate we're at the last episode already, a LOT of awards need to be handed out for this!! Thanks Omn1 for the series content 🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️💜💜
Like you said, everything is on the table now in front of us. Both Oz and Sophia have shed their masks and we know more about who they are at the core. And we also see them assembling their new persona, their new mask (and interesting parallel to Bruce/Batman). I suspect that Oz might try something new as well, break out of the old pattern that Sophia was in as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Oz kills his mother at the end. She did ask him to do that earlier. It would deny Sophis her power over him and complete Oz's transformation into the Penguin.
Starting to think that Jack was Rex’s son. The way he knows about his life and complimenting him, while ignoring Oz completely. Even though Oz looks more like Rex.
I think Oz is his son, but he preferred Jack anyway. All his life Oz wanted to be a big shot gangster, a made-man, but he couldn't as a non-Italian. If Rex had acknowledged Oz, it would've opened those doors for him but Rex never would because like you said, he preferred Jack, would've rather had a son like Jack.
As a GenXer who grew up in a relatively safe and peaceful place, knowing all the unsupervised shenanigans I got up to, I can't imagine what being a GenX kid in Gotham City would be like. Craaaaaazy.
It would've been hilarious but maybe a little too on the nose if Colin also played Rex, but just like himself no make-up since its been theorized he's his father.
Doctor Rush seems extra sketchy to me this episode. I want Sofia to take him out in the final episode, I think he's trying to manipulate her and basically sees her a a puppet of sorts and he thinks that he's going to use her to take control of Gotham or some shit. Maybe he's this universes version of the mad hatter? That red light thing gives me some weird Hatter vibes. I mean, the episode's called "Top Hat". One other Batman villain is known for wearing a Top Hat.
Now he gets to hand Rex the books. Those idiots were just in the way "But Oz those were your brothers!!!" Oz "Is that right?" Monster lol. Batman needs help. These villains are terrifying
I feel like this scene where he’s yelling at Sal “I got you!” Is a little callback when he said the same to Batman, but he was wrong. And in this situation with Sal, he’s technically wrong again.
the pressure she puts on him really comes from her sons dying and not being able to take it without life bringing glamour so he kind of started the whole abuse cycle by killing his brothers and lying to her
Yes, he did. Despite what the showrunner says during the commentary at the end of the episode. Our eyes did not lie to us. Oz was messed up in the head from the start.
The show runner said that when he shut the door, he wasn't trying to kill them, he was just acting impulsively and out of frustration, because he believed they were trying to mess with him by going somewhere he couldn't reach. He really did believe they would still be able to get out. However, Lauren then said that when he's at home with his Mom, and they still haven't come home, he realizes how nice it feels to have her all to himself and intentionally chooses not say anything, knowing they're in danger with the high amounts of rain. So in short, yes he absolutely intended it by the end, the sadistic little fuck
I know everyone saying Oz is despicable for doing it, but I like how you kinda catch onto the reasons why he did it. He probably didn’t know that it would kill them, and as an insecure man myself, I completely understand where he’s coming from. But it was fucked up. Also, isn’t it funny that both Carmine and Sal died of the most simplistic ways? Getting shot in the neck and having a heart attack. Also, am I the only one thinking Julian was kinda manipulating Sophia when she realized what she did to Gia?
He didn't mean to, but it's also obvious he doesn't care that he did, even to the extent that it broke his mother. He loved that he got all the attention as a result. Think of the damage Sofia could do if she somehow had evidence he killed them...
Omn1. You are now making excuses for Sophia. Sophia caused Gina to be an orphan. Sophia may be the girl's closest living relative. She could adopt her. If Gina needs to be out of the way of Sophia's criminal life, then send her off to an elite boarding school. Sophia left that girl abandoned.
In the moment I didn't like the episode too much... After watching some reactions, it's solid. Not the best penultimate episode and I personally feel the weakest of the season.
Sofia remains the star of the show for me. After sleeping on it some, I’ve kind of come to the realization that I *really* dislike this episode, to the point where it might have ruined the whole show for me. And the first six episodes of this show are among the best comic book content I’ve ever seen. But the whole show was balancing on the blade of a knife, keeping us rooting for both Oz and Sofia and hoping there can be a way for them both to win even though we know better…but the cold open in this show made it impossible (for me, at least) to ever root for Penguin in any capacity, for any reason, and I think that was a disastrous decision for this show. It’s also the first overtly “HBO” thing the show has done, where someone (maybe a writer, but I always assume it’s an HBO exec) saying “what’s the most shocking, dramatic thing we can do? Doesn’t have to be good or make sense, just be shocking.” I *hate* hbo shows because they almost *always* do that somewhere. I thought this show was going to avoid it, but they didn’t. And now the crucial knife’s edge balancing of the show that was so important has been ruined, in my opinion. To the point where if Oz comes out on top now, *in his own show* , I’m going to be disappointed. That seems like a terrible decision, to me, on their part. Also, there was so much head-scratching stuff in this ep. Basically everything Sal Marone did was stupid, the writing felt lazy, the thing they tried to do making his death feel ironically unfulfilling fell flat and only achieved “regular unfulfilling” status despite excellent performances from Clancy and Farrell. I dunno. I am extremely disappointed with this ep. I hope ep 8 is better.
oz is a VILLAIN, yeah showing how he can be sympathetic was a good start but he has to end the series being a FULL VILLAIN, and those are NOT sympathetic, so this episode was for that reason, to show that we SHOULD NOT BE ROOTING FOR A VILLAIN
Definitely on the weaker end of episodes for me as well but I would not say it ruins the show for me. We always knew Oz is a monster and this episode gave us the origin of his evil. I also enjoyed Sals death being ironic cause Oz is the sleezy rat that would get that lucky and not get the glory of winning a fight. It feels very in character for him but I understand it feeling disappointing for Clancy’s character to end like this. Also of course Sal was being stupid when he had Oz (the murderer of his family) in his hands. He was fueled by rage and all he wanted to do was kill Oz every second he had him, no thinking in that vengeful head. All in all I’m excited for the finale, hope they stick the landing in this wildly impressive first season
I don't dislike the show after this episode, I just really dislike Oz. Which is ok to me because he is a villain in canon. Now if Sofia and Victor both die in the last episode I may feel very differently.
@@KKarkatVantas Rooting for someone isn’t saying you like them or think they’re good. The most compelling villains have motivations that make sense and are relatable, *even if* they’re obviously bad. This show *had* that with Oz…and then threw it away. To preserve the balancing act it carefully constructed for six episodes (where *everyone is a villainous person doing monstrous things but you’re still rooting for both sides and are therefore delightfully conflicted* and all that) *alllllll* the show had to do was preserve that balancing act a little longer. Instead, they took a swan dive off the blade into the water below, because “ehrmegherd muh shocks.” It’s piss poor, and the otherwise incredible show/cast/characters deserved better.
“The city took them - just like it took your family.”
Yeah: They all drowned at the hands of monsters
When Oz/Vic first went into the underground tunnel - Oz glances/pauses at the overflow door - I took note of that and said there had to be some significance of that door...now we know...
I'm still shocked and mortified that Oz just left his brothers to die all because he wants his mom's love for himself.
Yeah, I’m kinda rooting for Sofia now
I can't decide if I believe that Oz knew his brothers would die in the tunnels or if he just wanted to keep them away for a while so he could get some alone time with his mom. Like was he being a stupid kid who wasn't thinking about the consequences or was he actively malicious and trying to get rid of his brothers? The way his mom describes him and thinking two steps ahead of everyone would certainly imply the latter, but was that something he already had as a kid? I'm torn like I said
@@kamsitheprince I was already but this solidified it.
@@restlessoblivion I think the way they keep doing these shots where he looks out the window, the camera shifts to a scene of his brother or a jar full of water with toys floating in them, and then they cut back to Oz and he looks away and goes back to watching TV is really symbolically loaded. I feel like they are implying that Oz is aware of what is probably happening, and choosing to not do anything about it bc now his mom is only paying attention to him.
that was a plot twist i never seen coming
The actor who played young Oz was superb. And the one playing young Francis nailed Deidre O’Connell’s mannerisms down to a T!
That beginning flashback sequence got me FUCKED up. Oz is a goddamn monster
When I saw the title 'Top Hat' weeks ago, my first thought was that Rex's outfit resembles how the Penguin is depicted in the comics, which could inspire Oz to adopt a similar style, as Rex is his childhood hero. But I love the idea of Fred Astaire influencing Oz's fashion instead. Although the flashback is likely set in 1988, the Monroe has a timeless 1940s vibe, reminiscent of The Great Gatsby. I can picture Oz transforming it into his own iceberg lounge, complete with a top hat and a classic 1940s aesthetic, setting up it's appearance in The Batman 2.
Sofia did to Gia what Carmine did to her when her mother died. Continuing the cycle without her even realising.
Exactly...those were my thoughts when she killed the whole family and saved Gia..I think after visiting Gia she finally realized it..that's why she cried/panicked outside the door when she left..
But this reactor says she cares lol
@@pepsicolazero compared to oz she does "care" , in a way that she has shown some remorse ,... didn't kill eve,, didn't kill Oz's mother (yet..)🤷🏿
That casting was amazing - Young Oz and Francis and their delivery - !!
17:40 "I don't know" The scene is Sophia realizing he's doing the EXACT SAME THING her father did to her, and in a quick panic, tries to talk to the girl like she's talking to her younger self: 'they were all bad men and when you get out of here...."
It's the whole theme of Gotham as a city: It's an ouroboros of suffering.
Oz doesn't want to do good just for the sake of doing good. He just wants his parade after he dies.
Overall he’s going to leave a legacy behind fill with deaths all over the place from both allies and enemies he’s a ticking time bomb
Your analysis of this episode was fantastic. Exactly why I was excited to see your thoughts on this one. Especially the opening bit and the insight on not only what happened to his brothers, but the dynamics and influences that helped shape him.
This show puts so much care in the details and the threads that ties everything together. Its so good.
I think the heart attack was triggered by oz talking about how his family burnt ....it upset him alot,..🥺
Sal had gotten stabbed in jail too I'm sure that sped things up
Something is up with Victor. There is no reason Sophia should have left him alive. Also it doesn't seem like he warned anyone in the tunnels that there was trouble. They were all just going about their normal jobs and no one knew where he was when Oz asked.
Oz told Vic to find Donny Boy, the head of the Irish gang whose men were killed by the Maronis/Gigantes, and get his gang together. I suspect there could be a massive confrontation between the Gigantes and the Golden Summit for the finale.
👩🏾💻👩🏾💻 I think Oz Mom knows that he offed his Brothers, it may only be subconsciously but she knows!!
The other thing, I think once his Mom comes to grip with them using her against Oz she's going to remind him of his promise to end her and I think Rex was Oz Father. He kinda figured that out while he was young (or at least he knew he and his Brothers didn't have the same Father) and maybe thought that's why his Mother "favored" them more.
I love the show and hate we're at the last episode already, a LOT of awards need to be handed out for this!!
Thanks Omn1 for the series content 🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️💜💜
Like you said, everything is on the table now in front of us. Both Oz and Sophia have shed their masks and we know more about who they are at the core. And we also see them assembling their new persona, their new mask (and interesting parallel to Bruce/Batman). I suspect that Oz might try something new as well, break out of the old pattern that Sophia was in as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Oz kills his mother at the end. She did ask him to do that earlier. It would deny Sophis her power over him and complete Oz's transformation into the Penguin.
Starting to think that Jack was Rex’s son. The way he knows about his life and complimenting him, while ignoring Oz completely. Even though Oz looks more like Rex.
I think Oz is his son, but he preferred Jack anyway. All his life Oz wanted to be a big shot gangster, a made-man, but he couldn't as a non-Italian. If Rex had acknowledged Oz, it would've opened those doors for him but Rex never would because like you said, he preferred Jack, would've rather had a son like Jack.
Even as a kid, Oz is a sociopath. Makes you wonder how he got that way.
Maybe he was born like this
Gotham can’t catch a break yo!!! First the riddle bombed them. Now, Sofia 😂
Crown Point, in particular.
As a GenXer who grew up in a relatively safe and peaceful place, knowing all the unsupervised shenanigans I got up to, I can't imagine what being a GenX kid in Gotham City would be like. Craaaaaazy.
Oz’s brother Jack seemed so wholesome, even right before Oz doomed him.
It would've been hilarious but maybe a little too on the nose if Colin also played Rex, but just like himself no make-up since its been theorized he's his father.
Doctor Rush seems extra sketchy to me this episode. I want Sofia to take him out in the final episode, I think he's trying to manipulate her and basically sees her a a puppet of sorts and he thinks that he's going to use her to take control of Gotham or some shit. Maybe he's this universes version of the mad hatter? That red light thing gives me some weird Hatter vibes. I mean, the episode's called "Top Hat". One other Batman villain is known for wearing a Top Hat.
I’m surprised no one has talked about how Sophia and Selina are sisters..
that said, do we think that will ever be a plot point in The Batman 2?
I think it might be with Gia. She, I think is going to be Huntress.
Now he gets to hand Rex the books. Those idiots were just in the way "But Oz those were your brothers!!!" Oz "Is that right?" Monster lol. Batman needs help. These villains are terrifying
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Im pretty sure he did, cause you can hear in the background people screaming "run, it's a bomb"
I feel like this scene where he’s yelling at Sal “I got you!” Is a little callback when he said the same to Batman, but he was wrong. And in this situation with Sal, he’s technically wrong again.
Beetlejuice with Michael Keaton in it..
😉🦇
Your analysis made me think of something. I think Oz is going to turn on his mother of things: I think at the end it’s going to be one Cobb alone.
the pressure she puts on him really comes from her sons dying and not being able to take it without life bringing glamour so he kind of started the whole abuse cycle by killing his brothers and lying to her
After that flashback I hope in the next Batman movie if Oz is in it, Batman beats the crap out of Oz mercilessly
Your reaction to Oz offing his brothers was prize less!
Batman's definitely showing up in the finale after that explosion went. That's a little too noticeable for even him to ignore, at this point
Let's keep our fingers crossed 🤞.
I hope not. I would hate for him to be the spot light for the next episode. Hopefully he will deal with oz next movie
Did oz mean to do it? I can't get this question out of my head.
Of course he did
Yes, he did. Despite what the showrunner says during the commentary at the end of the episode. Our eyes did not lie to us. Oz was messed up in the head from the start.
The show runner said that when he shut the door, he wasn't trying to kill them, he was just acting impulsively and out of frustration, because he believed they were trying to mess with him by going somewhere he couldn't reach. He really did believe they would still be able to get out. However, Lauren then said that when he's at home with his Mom, and they still haven't come home, he realizes how nice it feels to have her all to himself and intentionally chooses not say anything, knowing they're in danger with the high amounts of rain. So in short, yes he absolutely intended it by the end, the sadistic little fuck
I know everyone saying Oz is despicable for doing it, but I like how you kinda catch onto the reasons why he did it. He probably didn’t know that it would kill them, and as an insecure man myself, I completely understand where he’s coming from. But it was fucked up. Also, isn’t it funny that both Carmine and Sal died of the most simplistic ways? Getting shot in the neck and having a heart attack. Also, am I the only one thinking Julian was kinda manipulating Sophia when she realized what she did to Gia?
He didn't mean to, but it's also obvious he doesn't care that he did, even to the extent that it broke his mother. He loved that he got all the attention as a result. Think of the damage Sofia could do if she somehow had evidence he killed them...
@@caiuscosades362she probably will if they hook him to that red light.
Omn1. You are now making excuses for Sophia. Sophia caused Gina to be an orphan. Sophia may be the girl's closest living relative. She could adopt her. If Gina needs to be out of the way of Sophia's criminal life, then send her off to an elite boarding school. Sophia left that girl abandoned.
I don't know what excuses you mean. I'm not refuting any of that.
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In the moment I didn't like the episode too much... After watching some reactions, it's solid. Not the best penultimate episode and I personally feel the weakest of the season.
Sofia remains the star of the show for me. After sleeping on it some, I’ve kind of come to the realization that I *really* dislike this episode, to the point where it might have ruined the whole show for me. And the first six episodes of this show are among the best comic book content I’ve ever seen. But the whole show was balancing on the blade of a knife, keeping us rooting for both Oz and Sofia and hoping there can be a way for them both to win even though we know better…but the cold open in this show made it impossible (for me, at least) to ever root for Penguin in any capacity, for any reason, and I think that was a disastrous decision for this show. It’s also the first overtly “HBO” thing the show has done, where someone (maybe a writer, but I always assume it’s an HBO exec) saying “what’s the most shocking, dramatic thing we can do? Doesn’t have to be good or make sense, just be shocking.” I *hate* hbo shows because they almost *always* do that somewhere. I thought this show was going to avoid it, but they didn’t. And now the crucial knife’s edge balancing of the show that was so important has been ruined, in my opinion. To the point where if Oz comes out on top now, *in his own show* , I’m going to be disappointed. That seems like a terrible decision, to me, on their part.
Also, there was so much head-scratching stuff in this ep. Basically everything Sal Marone did was stupid, the writing felt lazy, the thing they tried to do making his death feel ironically unfulfilling fell flat and only achieved “regular unfulfilling” status despite excellent performances from Clancy and Farrell.
I dunno. I am extremely disappointed with this ep. I hope ep 8 is better.
oz is a VILLAIN, yeah showing how he can be sympathetic was a good start but he has to end the series being a FULL VILLAIN, and those are NOT sympathetic, so this episode was for that reason, to show that we SHOULD NOT BE ROOTING FOR A VILLAIN
Tldr
Definitely on the weaker end of episodes for me as well but I would not say it ruins the show for me. We always knew Oz is a monster and this episode gave us the origin of his evil. I also enjoyed Sals death being ironic cause Oz is the sleezy rat that would get that lucky and not get the glory of winning a fight. It feels very in character for him but I understand it feeling disappointing for Clancy’s character to end like this. Also of course Sal was being stupid when he had Oz (the murderer of his family) in his hands. He was fueled by rage and all he wanted to do was kill Oz every second he had him, no thinking in that vengeful head. All in all I’m excited for the finale, hope they stick the landing in this wildly impressive first season
I don't dislike the show after this episode, I just really dislike Oz. Which is ok to me because he is a villain in canon. Now if Sofia and Victor both die in the last episode I may feel very differently.
@@KKarkatVantas Rooting for someone isn’t saying you like them or think they’re good. The most compelling villains have motivations that make sense and are relatable, *even if* they’re obviously bad. This show *had* that with Oz…and then threw it away.
To preserve the balancing act it carefully constructed for six episodes (where *everyone is a villainous person doing monstrous things but you’re still rooting for both sides and are therefore delightfully conflicted* and all that) *alllllll* the show had to do was preserve that balancing act a little longer. Instead, they took a swan dive off the blade into the water below, because “ehrmegherd muh shocks.” It’s piss poor, and the otherwise incredible show/cast/characters deserved better.