IMPRESSIVE! After watching your shorts on these speakers, I’m blown away how good they sound. These are going on the short list for the office. Thanks for the review Shane! 🙌
Hi Shane, nice review! Would like your opinion. I live in a 1 bedroom apartment and I’m considering the F&F SN70 bookshelf speakers or possibly one of the larger floor standing speakers, the F&F SN270 or F&F SN370. Based on your experience with the F&F Klein, do you feel the SN70 bookshelf speakers would be sufficient for anyone that lives in an apartment and a subwoofer could be added later if needed? A concern I have with the larger F&F 270 and 370 floor standing speakers is the ability for optimal speaker placement for a med size living room. The floor standing speakers may take up too much space and optimal speaker placement may not be possible. Also some concerns with loud volume listening without disturbing the neighbors so bookshelf may be better option and adding a subwoofer if needed. Cheers.
@awanderlustseoul I feel your pain of space constraints, as I’m similarly positioned. From the experience of OCD Mikey showing the F&F SN470’s and F&F SN70’s in the hotel room space at the Capitol Audio Fest in 2023 and 2024, respectively, he suggested the bigger floor standing speakers overloaded the room while the smaller monitors hit the sweet spot. I’m considering this F&F speaker choice as well, as I can’t devote too much space to my audio system in my listening space.
You make some very good points there that definitely need to be considered. I wouldn't rule out these speakers I've just reviewed with a small sub. If I were in that kind of listening environment, I would have no hesitations to go this way. You would have a lot more options for positioning. They really are amazing for their size. I haven't heard the SN 70s yet, but I'm tipping they will probably be slightly slower in their response than the Klein's, if for no other reason than the size of the drivers. I will probably have something the size of the SN 270s in my room in January for review, but I can't guarantee that at this stage. I would certainly not discount the Klein's for your consideration. My best advice would be to try and do an in-room audition of all of the speakers you're considering before pulling the trigger.🎧👍🙂
@@dragocelander6671 Happy Holidays and thank you for your feedback. I plan to follow up with OCD Mikey sometime next week. The F&F SN70 may be a better fit for my current living situation.
@awanderlustseoul Yes, from what you're describing, I think the SN70s are the way to go for you. These really are designed to be on a desk with you around a metre away from them. The SN70s on stands with you being further away from them than you would be on a desk is definitely the right decision.👍🙂
More and more falling in love with the speaker brand from the build quality to the sound that I heard in Mike room at the Audio show mind-boggling good
Wow, I’ve seen these online /other reviewers. Great review, and thank you for covering these. Would you say they’d still work convincingly well in a room about 10x14ft. with a sub (or two)?
Hi, Yes, absolutely. They would work fine in a room that size with a sub. The wonderful thing about them is that they are so small that they literally disappear, projecting an amazing sound stage.🙂🎧👍
Great video Shane. Just subscribed to your channel. Quick question for you: how close can we be to the Klein to enjoy their great sound. Will near field listening be satisfactory. As in truly desktop set-up, 3-ft away from the speakers... Also, what are they like in low volume listening setting? Thanks again
@raphaelmeillat8527 Hi, welcome aboard🙂 Now to answer your questions. You would have no problems being 3 ft away from these. They really are designed as a desktop near field speaker. I was reviewing them from some distance away, I'm sure they are not really designed for listening at that distance, but in saying that, they totally impressed me in the positions I had them in. I did listen to them up close around 3 ft away on some speaker stands, not on camera, though. They were equally as good at imaging and soundstage in close. They are as most small speakers are fairly inefficient at around 85db 1m 1w. So some good clean current from an amplifier does them no harm at all, but they certainly didn't fall off a cliff in the lower octave when listening, at around 75db as most speakers this size do.🎧🙂👍
I really want to hear the larger ones of these man just look so insane as well . I bet they sound so huge, controlled and fast with the slate cabinets and high end crossover parts .
Hi Shane, any experience with Serhan Swift and Xavian Perla Esclusiva speakers. Both small speakers with excellent reviews. Any comparison to these speakers?
@sunilm3181 Hi there, I have heard them both, but really, they are not comparable. The other two are really standmount speakers and considerably bigger than the Klein's. The Xavian share something in common with the Klein's, and that is they used mundorf components in their crossover network, but that's about where the similarities end. The midbess driver is 5 1/4 inches vs 3 1/2 inches in the Klein's there's quite a big difference in the cabinet size and where I think the magic is is the use of slate in the cabinet construction in the Klein's it's just such an inert material as opposed to timber. I will say the two brands you speak of are quite good, but I still give the edge to the Klein's even though they're in a different category. t The f&f Klein's are that special. There is just an amazing sense of coherency with the Klein's that I've not heard with any other desktop monitor so far.👍🙂🎧
@@shanestephenson8423 Thank you Shane for the prompt reply. How's the PRAT (foot tapping musicality) compared to the Xavian? Read Xavian is excellent in this regard
I would say the PRAT with these speakers is excellent. There's just an ease to them real musicality that drawers you into anything you play through them. They just keep you interested in what you're listening to. 👍🙂🎧
I’d recommend the F&F SN1000.1 AMT 4-way, tri-wirable, the F&F SN770 AMT 4-way, triwirable, or the F&F SN670 3-way, bi-wirable. In the US, the respective prices are $110k USD, $42.5k USD, and $35k USD.
Well, natrually... Intresting speaker not the first time ive seen it. Just glad to find another objectivbe revier ( best Ican find) the algorythm gods have blessed me.
@Eric-q9n Hi Eric, I don't think they do but a little 8 inch sub would be perfect you want something that is small and quick so it can keep up with the pace of these little speakers, but a little sub like that would be all you would need for a full range presentation that would sound killer. I did talk them up with my 12-inch Wilson sub, but it was a bit difficult to get the balance right.👍🎧😁
I really feel your enthusiasm for these speakers! Thank you for reviewing them. Could you please tell me the cost of Klein speakers in US dollars? Thanks
@Shane The F&F SN70’s go for USD4500 (likely without stands). The Kleins are likely USD3000 (again without stands), but folks would need to inquire with the US importer/dealer who shall remain nameless. 🤣
Awesome review, glad stone-style speakers are getting more exposure (such as Fischer & Fischer, Maco, and Acora Acoustics)! I do wonder how the Klein would compare to the more expensive Børresen X1, Avid Audio Evo Four or Reference Four, or even the entry high-end TAD ME1? Regardless, love the dual separated crossovers in similar slate enclosures, and the overall performance ratio of the Fischer & Fischer Klein!
Thanks for your considered comments. I have been lucky enough to hear all of those speakers that you mentioned above. The reason I'm calling these the best in the world is simply because of their price to performance ratio, and they are smaller than the others you mentioned as well. But I do appreciate your commentary.🙏🎧🙂
@shanestephenson8423 yes I believe that's how I understood your review; not best absolutely, but price-to-performance it likely is the best. The delta between speakers of the past to now (even five years ago), the expectation to what performance to now expect, and the moving goal posts of greater quality overall at more affordable pricing, has been revelatory. I'm stoked that the current era of audio is being exploded in fantastic quality and variety at almost every budget, and that ultra-fi/summit gear directly influences the very affordable equipment and vice versa. Thank you for the awesome and informative review of the Klein!
@TheOneInYellow Yes, excellent points you make once again. Yeah, I think the trickle-down theory really is something when it comes to hi-fi equipment. It's a great time to be an audiophile. 👌🙂🎧
@ryanford495 Hi Ryan, I think you could fit 4 of the Klein speakers in one of the Titan Elite cabinets just to give perspective to the size we're talking about here. I'm a fan of the Osborne Titan Elite speakers. Greg uses timber in his cabinets, and he managers to do that with minimal cabinet resonance, but Fischer & Fischer use slate which is more inert and seem to have no cabinet resonance that I can hear anyway. That, in turn, seems to amplify the lower octave produced by that little 3 1/2 inch midbass driver to almost unfathomable levels. The Klein speaker is more coherent. It is extremely difficult to hear what is being produced by each driver in the slate cabinet. I think some of that is due to the independence of the crossover network. So because of those reasons, it is a more evolved loudspeaker.👍🎧
Heard larger Fisher pre covid and yes stunning sound left 90% of speakers for dead. Also Austrian scan speak distribution guy used to do incredible stone quarry speakers with top drivers - anyone lucky enough to hear some of them will know how outstanding they were. I heard 3 different and cabinets were amazing - well before Acora and a 10th of the price! Sadly I think cabinet maker stopped. Stone is phenomenal for sound quality. I regret not getting the custom set I was offered -BUT shipping from Europe to here and not getting damaged in transit impossible seeing as packaging had to be made 😪. Anyway the price of hifi in OZ now insane, big Fisher I realize would be very awkward to bring in yourself , so hats off to Geoff for importing them. Excellent review - still give me the bigger ones thanks 😁
Yes, I hope to get some floor standards in the room early next year for review. Thanks for the interesting story. I wasn't aware of those speakers. They sound like a good combination with good components.🎧👍😁
@@shanestephenson8423 They were outstanding but these optional stone cabinets were the key ingredient as you are discovering. Also I want a pair of these now😀.
Excellent summary Shane! But I have questions. 😂 1. Did you measure the frequency response when the Kleins were positioned on top of the Wilson woofer cabinet? I’m curious what the bass frequency response was like when positioned in the room away from the walls. 2. Did you measure the frequency response with the Kleins on the SA CSA EQ’s or sitting on the entertainment cabinet? 3. What was the high frequency response like? Did you measure it? I’d imagine the electrostatic airiness of the Kleins is attributed to both the driver size and the rigidity of the slate cabinets. I’d imagine the stress on the crossover cable at the monitor connection might be reduced by placing the monitors on the SA CSA EQ’s. Or to place the Kleins on their sides, as I believe you did, that would enhance stereo imaging. 4. Finally, did you isolate the crossovers with SA CSA EQ’s?
Hi Dan, let's go through your questions with answers. I measured the Klein's with and without the stack audio isolation under them on the entertainment cabinet. The measurement I quoted in the video we're with the isolation under the speakers. Without the isolation, I got down to 53 Hz with roughly the same roll-off -2db. When I had the speakers on the Wilsons, they went down to 58 Hz with basically a flat response (no roll off). I preferred them on the Wilsons, sacrificing a little bit of low-end extension because the payoff was a wider, more dimensional soundstage. It wasn't much, but it certainly was better. The high frequency response was brilliant, with no roll-off at 20,000 cycles. I agree with you. I think the secret sauce here to their quickness is their driver size and quality and the material the cabinets are made from. I did isolate the crossovers. There was no measurable improvement and nothing I could hear when testing the speakers in the room. But I would certainly decouple or isolate the crossover network from any potential vibration if I owned these speakers. Good questions, Dan .🎧🙂👍
Hey Shane, the texture of those slate beauty's showed up very well. the slate is amazing. I Definitely agree that they are a 10 out of 10. F&F ROCK THE HOUSE ! 😀🎶🎸🎷🎺🪘🥁🎻🎵
@ProfessorJohnSmith Sorry to disappoint you, but there's no comparison, actually. The Klein speakers are better in every metric we judge speakers on. Imaging, soundstage, bass, mid range, upper frequency, build quality and components quality.🎧👍🙂
Shane 🤗 this was a spot on review of this tiny outstanding speakers. Love it ❤ Are you now infected by the Fischer & Fischer-Speaker-Verse and go a step further to one of their floorstanders soon? This would be so awesome 🔥🐹🔥
@shanestephenson8423 Understood... but that's the pitch ? Everything is the best until next week ! Laser Disc were a great idea at some point ? And then next week came ! DAC of the week club is the new club ?
@ernestporee3697 No, you're missing my point. That's not how I work. If I come across a better speaker of that size and in the price bracket I will inform my community, but that is unlikely to happen very often given the rate of performance and the cost for these speakers. Please don't put me in the same category as most of the other UA-cam channels out there looking for clickbait. That is not how I work. I'm not doing this for an income, it's my hobby. I don't need the likes or the subscribers as a metric of my performance. I'm about bringing honest integrity to reviewing equipment.
WOW, all that for the same price of a brand new, fully loaded, 2024 GS310 BMW motorcycle with tax, title, helmet, full tank of gas and a cup of tea. lol audio is hilarious.
Where are you from, mate? I don't know where you can buy a brand new BMW motorbike, even a crappy one for 3 grand fully loaded🤔 that comment is hilarious. I think it best you boil the kettle have a cup of tea and think about what you just typed.😁
You know what? I believe you! There are millions of claims on UA-cam about the best, the only, the last, etc. But, with people like yourself, you can tell you genuinely believe in the product you’re reviewing.
@wh0tube Yes I know what you mean there are loads of lofty claims out there to get clicks, but my integrity is everything to me at the end of the day I'm not going to say anything I don't 100% believe in. I've been lucky enough to hear a lot of equipment over my 35 years doing this, and for their size and their price, there is nothing out there better that I know about.🎧🙂👍
$4k for that? What utter nonsense. It may be the best desktop speaker you have ever heard while trying to adhere to the "desktop" designation, but your description is the same descriptors that we hear all the time from other brands. Speakers that faithfully produce balanced performance throughout the FR are common now. Most people have room on either side of their desktop to put speakers on stands while not cluttering the desk with them, and isolating them from the desktop. I have 8" 3-ways on either side of my 1 meter wide desk. Is it the best in the world? There is no such thing, but they are certainly contenders and they have trounced every "desktop" speaker I have heard. I have yet to meet a small speaker that shares sub bass with the mid range driver that I like. Not at louder levels once that high excursion starts to mess things up. Give me a 3-way monitor with an isolated mid range, and a sub bass capable woofer with some actual displacement and we're getting close to ideal. Further hand off those lowest octaves to a separate sub and we're home. Try breaking away from the idea that "desktop monitors" need to be so small and on the actual desk. You'll open up a lot more options and SQ with instead, "near field monitors." I don't trust a company who's manufacturing is so inefficient that they need to charge so much for so little. It's 2024. There is no exclusive mystery magic left with speaker design to warrant such cost.
OK, let's go through this. " What utter nonsense" Well, that's your opinion. Have you actually heard these speakers? Because a statement like that would suggest you have. But I'm suggesting you probably haven't. "Your description is the same description we hear all the time." How else would you like me to describe something that sounds that good? There are only so many words out there that can be used. I unlike most others try to give an accurate description as to what I'm hearing and go into a lot of detail in my final thoughts videos to describe what I'm hearing to help people that might be interested in auditioning these speakers. "Try breaking away from the idea that desktop monitors need to be so small." Desktop monitors do need to be that small. That's why they're desktop monitors. They are designed and are a category of speakers to fit in a small space to be listened to in the near field. What you're describing, of course, will sound better. Putting a larger standmount speaker on a desk, of course, gives you more bass but you're missing the point around what a desktop monitor is. And further to that, you create as many problems as you'll fix putting a stand mount speaker on a desk where it's not designed to be. Those things include isolation. Also, a stand mount speaker is designed to be in an open space to create its soundstage, so putting them in a small space as you describe would have its inherent problems. I'm not suggesting and never have that pairing a subwoofer with these speakers wouldn't improve them because, of course, it would. But again now we're talking about what you would do with a pair of standmount speakers that need help in the lower octave. These speakers are for placing on a desk in a second or possibly even 3rd system in your house or office. Totally different categories. That's how I reviewed them, and that's why I made the statement I did in regard to their category. Charging so much for so little, you say. I would say quite the opposite. These may well be small in stature but, in my opinion, destroy speakers even up to four times their size in their rate of performance. I would suggest you need to stop thinking that because something is small, it needs to be cheap. It's 2024, and designers need to be paid for their R&D to create something that sounds so big from something that is so small.
GM☕️🍩🦘 One hell of a “desk top speaker “…given that these little guys worked wonders in your room . Great video and thank you for introducing me to F&F 👍
So you tested ALL desktop speakers on the planet? Do you realise that there are virtually thousands of similar speakers and you’ve heard them all? As Carl Sagan said: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”, so prove your claim.
@wernerschroer6138 Where in that video did I say I had heard everything. I have heard anything that is comparable that is worth hearing that I am sure of. They are the best I have heard. They are worthy of an audition, and it's a headline, mate.
How about you prove that they aren't and give us a list of miniature speakers that have these credentials. Outboard crossovers very heavy dense slate enclosures top quality cabling that connects it to the outboard crossovers. Lastly have you heard any of Shane's videos demonstrating this masterpiece and -2 db at 50 hz in room speaks volumes. Shane's entitled to his opinion which I agree with and has the credentials to form this opinion and time spent listening and demonstrating these speakers
@staceymangham Thanks, mate. I had a feeling that headline might generate some pushback, lol. But if it gets more people to watch that video and go out and audition them, then I've done my job.👍👌🎧
@@shanestephenson8423Look mate, it wasn’t meant to be aggressive. I’m grateful for what you’re doing. I was knocking the Aussie habit of declaring that this or that is “the best in the world”. You cannot say that unless you know for sure that there’s nothing better out there. And don’t forget, we have only a small fraction of the products that you can buy in the rest of the world. We pay the price for our isolation. But being an Aussie myself I’ve falling in the trap too.
IMPRESSIVE! After watching your shorts on these speakers, I’m blown away how good they sound. These are going on the short list for the office. Thanks for the review Shane! 🙌
Yeah, mate, I haven't come across anything that sounds anywhere near as good as these given their size.🎧🙂👍
Hi Shane, nice review! Would like your opinion. I live in a 1 bedroom apartment and I’m considering the F&F SN70 bookshelf speakers or possibly one of the larger floor standing speakers, the F&F SN270 or F&F SN370. Based on your experience with the F&F Klein, do you feel the SN70 bookshelf speakers would be sufficient for anyone that lives in an apartment and a subwoofer could be added later if needed? A concern I have with the larger F&F 270 and 370 floor standing speakers is the ability for optimal speaker placement for a med size living room. The floor standing speakers may take up too much space and optimal speaker placement may not be possible. Also some concerns with loud volume listening without disturbing the neighbors so bookshelf may be better option and adding a subwoofer if needed. Cheers.
@awanderlustseoul I feel your pain of space constraints, as I’m similarly positioned. From the experience of OCD Mikey showing the F&F SN470’s and F&F SN70’s in the hotel room space at the Capitol Audio Fest in 2023 and 2024, respectively, he suggested the bigger floor standing speakers overloaded the room while the smaller monitors hit the sweet spot. I’m considering this F&F speaker choice as well, as I can’t devote too much space to my audio system in my listening space.
You make some very good points there that definitely need to be considered. I wouldn't rule out these speakers I've just reviewed with a small sub. If I were in that kind of listening environment, I would have no hesitations to go this way.
You would have a lot more options for positioning. They really are amazing for their size. I haven't heard the SN 70s yet, but I'm tipping they will probably be slightly slower in their response than the Klein's, if for no other reason than the size of the drivers. I will probably have something the size of the SN 270s in my room in January for review, but I can't guarantee that at this stage.
I would certainly not discount the Klein's for your consideration.
My best advice would be to try and do an in-room audition of all of the speakers you're considering before pulling the trigger.🎧👍🙂
@@dragocelander6671 Happy Holidays and thank you for your feedback. I plan to follow up with OCD Mikey sometime next week. The F&F SN70 may be a better fit for my current living situation.
@@shanestephenson8423 Thank you Shane. Right now I'm leaning towards the F&F SN70. Cheers!
@awanderlustseoul Yes, from what you're describing, I think the SN70s are the way to go for you. These really are designed to be on a desk with you around a metre away from them. The SN70s on stands with you being further away from them than you would be on a desk is definitely the right decision.👍🙂
More and more falling in love with the speaker brand from the build quality to the sound that I heard in Mike room at the Audio show mind-boggling good
Hi Eric, yes, these for their size were the most impressive little speaker I've ever heard.👌👍🎧
Wow, I’ve seen these online /other reviewers. Great review, and thank you for covering these. Would you say they’d still work convincingly well in a room about 10x14ft. with a sub (or two)?
Hi, Yes, absolutely. They would work fine in a room that size with a sub. The wonderful thing about them is that they are so small that they literally disappear, projecting an amazing sound stage.🙂🎧👍
Great video Shane. Just subscribed to your channel. Quick question for you: how close can we be to the Klein to enjoy their great sound. Will near field listening be satisfactory. As in truly desktop set-up, 3-ft away from the speakers... Also, what are they like in low volume listening setting? Thanks again
@raphaelmeillat8527 Hi, welcome aboard🙂 Now to answer your questions. You would have no problems being 3 ft away from these. They really are designed as a desktop near field speaker. I was reviewing them from some distance away, I'm sure they are not really designed for listening at that distance, but in saying that, they totally impressed me in the positions I had them in. I did listen to them up close around 3 ft away on some speaker stands, not on camera, though. They were equally as good at imaging and soundstage in close.
They are as most small speakers are fairly inefficient at around 85db 1m 1w. So some good clean current from an amplifier does them no harm at all, but they certainly didn't fall off a cliff in the lower octave when listening, at around 75db as most speakers this size do.🎧🙂👍
I really want to hear the larger ones of these man just look so insane as well . I bet they sound so huge, controlled and fast with the slate cabinets and high end crossover parts .
Stay tuned, brother. I'll have some floor standards in for review in January if all goes well.🎧👌👍
Hi Shane, any experience with Serhan Swift and Xavian Perla Esclusiva speakers. Both small speakers with excellent reviews. Any comparison to these speakers?
@sunilm3181 Hi there, I have heard them both, but really, they are not comparable. The other two are really standmount speakers and considerably bigger than the Klein's.
The Xavian share something in common with the Klein's, and that is they used mundorf components in their crossover network, but that's about where the similarities end. The midbess driver is 5 1/4 inches vs 3 1/2 inches in the Klein's there's quite a big difference in the cabinet size and where I think the magic is is the use of slate in the cabinet construction in the Klein's it's just such an inert material as opposed to timber.
I will say the two brands you speak of are quite good, but I still give the edge to the Klein's even though they're in a different category. t
The f&f Klein's are that special. There is just an amazing sense of coherency with the Klein's that I've not heard with any other desktop monitor so far.👍🙂🎧
@@shanestephenson8423 Thank you Shane for the prompt reply. How's the PRAT (foot tapping musicality) compared to the Xavian? Read Xavian is excellent in this regard
I would say the PRAT with these speakers is excellent. There's just an ease to them real musicality that drawers you into anything you play through them. They just keep you interested in what you're listening to.
👍🙂🎧
Thank you Shane
@sunilm3181 You're welcome. Thanks for your input.🙏
What F&F model should I test to eventually replace my bi-amped SF Liliums ?
I’d recommend the F&F SN1000.1 AMT 4-way, tri-wirable, the F&F SN770 AMT 4-way, triwirable, or the F&F SN670 3-way, bi-wirable. In the US, the respective prices are $110k USD, $42.5k USD, and $35k USD.
@ problem with the 1000 is I must check my floor resistance to weight…
@ Yep. They are heavy.
I couldn't put it any better myself.
Well, natrually... Intresting speaker not the first time ive seen it. Just glad to find another objectivbe revier ( best Ican find)
the algorythm gods have blessed me.
@@dilbyjones Thanks for the kind words.🙏🙏🙏
Impressive little speaker! Shane, does Fisher & Fisher have a miniature subwoofer that could be used with them?
@Eric-q9n Hi Eric, I don't think they do but a little 8 inch sub would be perfect you want something that is small and quick so it can keep up with the pace of these little speakers, but a little sub like that would be all you would need for a full range presentation that would sound killer.
I did talk them up with my 12-inch Wilson sub, but it was a bit difficult to get the balance right.👍🎧😁
I really feel your enthusiasm for these speakers! Thank you for reviewing them. Could you please tell me the cost of Klein speakers in US dollars? Thanks
Or the cost in Australian dollars..
The recommended retail price in Australia, I believe, is $6,800.
And I think it's around $4,000 US, but you would need to confirm that with Mikey.🎧🙂👍
@Shane The F&F SN70’s go for USD4500 (likely without stands). The Kleins are likely USD3000 (again without stands), but folks would need to inquire with the US importer/dealer who shall remain nameless. 🤣
Thanks for the info.
Awesome review, glad stone-style speakers are getting more exposure (such as Fischer & Fischer, Maco, and Acora Acoustics)!
I do wonder how the Klein would compare to the more expensive Børresen X1, Avid Audio Evo Four or Reference Four, or even the entry high-end TAD ME1?
Regardless, love the dual separated crossovers in similar slate enclosures, and the overall performance ratio of the Fischer & Fischer Klein!
Thanks for your considered comments. I have been lucky enough to hear all of those speakers that you mentioned above. The reason I'm calling these the best in the world is simply because of their price to performance ratio, and they are smaller than the others you mentioned as well. But I do appreciate your commentary.🙏🎧🙂
@shanestephenson8423 yes I believe that's how I understood your review; not best absolutely, but price-to-performance it likely is the best.
The delta between speakers of the past to now (even five years ago), the expectation to what performance to now expect, and the moving goal posts of greater quality overall at more affordable pricing, has been revelatory.
I'm stoked that the current era of audio is being exploded in fantastic quality and variety at almost every budget, and that ultra-fi/summit gear directly influences the very affordable equipment and vice versa.
Thank you for the awesome and informative review of the Klein!
@TheOneInYellow Yes, excellent points you make once again. Yeah, I think the trickle-down theory really is something when it comes to hi-fi equipment. It's a great time to be an audiophile. 👌🙂🎧
Hi Shane. How do these compare to the larger Osborn Titans you reviewed a while back?
@ryanford495 Hi Ryan, I think you could fit 4 of the Klein speakers in one of the Titan Elite cabinets just to give perspective to the size we're talking about here. I'm a fan of the Osborne Titan Elite speakers. Greg uses timber in his cabinets, and he managers to do that with minimal cabinet resonance, but Fischer & Fischer use slate which is more inert and seem to have no cabinet resonance that I can hear anyway.
That, in turn, seems to amplify the lower octave produced by that little 3 1/2 inch midbass driver to almost unfathomable levels.
The Klein speaker is more coherent. It is extremely difficult to hear what is being produced by each driver in the slate cabinet. I think some of that is due to the independence of the crossover network.
So because of those reasons, it is a more evolved loudspeaker.👍🎧
@@shanestephenson8423 Appreciate it. Thanks for the detailed reply.
Ive got some 770's on order. This video bodes well for them
@tomclark7551 Absolutely, it does. Congratulations, that's all I can say. 🎧👍
Heard larger Fisher pre covid and yes stunning sound left 90% of speakers for dead. Also Austrian scan speak distribution guy used to do incredible stone quarry speakers with top drivers - anyone lucky enough to hear some of them will know how outstanding they were. I heard 3 different and cabinets were amazing - well before Acora and a 10th of the price! Sadly I think cabinet maker stopped. Stone is phenomenal for sound quality. I regret not getting the custom set I was offered -BUT shipping from Europe to here and not getting damaged in transit impossible seeing as packaging had to be made 😪. Anyway the price of hifi in OZ now insane, big Fisher I realize would be very awkward to bring in yourself , so hats off to Geoff for importing them. Excellent review - still give me the bigger ones thanks 😁
Yes, I hope to get some floor standards in the room early next year for review. Thanks for the interesting story. I wasn't aware of those speakers. They sound like a good combination with good components.🎧👍😁
@@shanestephenson8423 They were outstanding but these optional stone cabinets were the key ingredient as you are discovering. Also I want a pair of these now😀.
Do you think this little speaker could work in small studio?
@davidpaabor1382 Hi David, Yes, I do.
@@shanestephenson8423 Cheers mate!
Excellent summary Shane! But I have questions. 😂
1. Did you measure the frequency response when the Kleins were positioned on top of the Wilson woofer cabinet? I’m curious what the bass frequency response was like when positioned in the room away from the walls.
2. Did you measure the frequency response with the Kleins on the SA CSA EQ’s or sitting on the entertainment cabinet?
3. What was the high frequency response like? Did you measure it?
I’d imagine the electrostatic airiness of the Kleins is attributed to both the driver size and the rigidity of the slate cabinets. I’d imagine the stress on the crossover cable at the monitor connection might be reduced by placing the monitors on the SA CSA EQ’s. Or to place the Kleins on their sides, as I believe you did, that would enhance stereo imaging. 4. Finally, did you isolate the crossovers with SA CSA EQ’s?
Hi Dan, let's go through your questions with answers.
I measured the Klein's with and without the stack audio isolation under them on the entertainment cabinet. The measurement I quoted in the video we're with the isolation under the speakers. Without the isolation, I got down to 53 Hz with roughly the same roll-off -2db.
When I had the speakers on the Wilsons, they went down to 58 Hz with basically a flat response (no roll off). I preferred them on the Wilsons, sacrificing a little bit of low-end extension because the payoff was a wider, more dimensional soundstage. It wasn't much, but it certainly was better.
The high frequency response was brilliant, with no roll-off at 20,000 cycles. I agree with you. I think the secret sauce here to their quickness is their driver size and quality and the material the cabinets are made from.
I did isolate the crossovers. There was no measurable improvement and nothing I could hear when testing the speakers in the room. But I would certainly decouple or isolate the crossover network from any potential vibration if I owned these speakers. Good questions, Dan .🎧🙂👍
Fantastic analysis, Shane! Much appreciated!
Mate have you had the chance to listen to any of their floorstand speakers?
@bradessendon05 Hi, yes, I have heard the SN 470s, and I will have some floor standards coming in for review early next year.👍🎧
@@shanestephenson8423 Will be great to comapare with the Wilsons.
@@shanestephenson8423Nice!!! I maby planning to buy the sl470m. I have not a big room (24m2) do you think they will be to big for the room?
Hey Shane, the texture of those slate beauty's showed up very well. the slate is amazing. I Definitely agree that they are a 10 out of 10. F&F ROCK THE HOUSE ! 😀🎶🎸🎷🎺🪘🥁🎻🎵
Hey mate can you link them directly
@OrazCostanzo I'm not sure what you mean. Could you be a little more specific.
@@shanestephenson8423 Oh sorry mate i meant the link directly to where they are for sale i checked heynowhifi and i couldnt find them
Surely not as good as the kef ls50? How do they compare?
@ProfessorJohnSmith Sorry to disappoint you, but there's no comparison, actually.
The Klein speakers are better in every metric we judge speakers on. Imaging, soundstage, bass, mid range, upper frequency, build quality and components quality.🎧👍🙂
what's the brand name?greetings from France
Hi from Australia. Fischer & Fischer is the speaker brand. They come out of Germany. 👍🎧
Once you hear the bigger versions you'll get rid of the Wilsons
@@willowwale2000 Maybe, maybe not.
Hy, top Audio fest in 1995 in Milano the best speaker Fisher&fisher,amazing
Shane 🤗 this was a spot on review of this tiny outstanding speakers. Love it ❤
Are you now infected by the Fischer & Fischer-Speaker-Verse and go a step further to one of their floorstanders soon? This would be so awesome
🔥🐹🔥
@ramlord6669 Hi, I will actually be getting a pair of floor standards in for review in January if all goes well.😁🎧👍
@@shanestephenson8423 Yeesss man 😛
Mark and Daniel makes some small mini monitors from engineered marble
@@RennieAsh yeah it seems like a good material to use.👍🎧
That's what you say this week ?
I don't change my opinion, mate, until something better comes along, and then I'll explain why it's better.
@shanestephenson8423 Understood... but that's the pitch ? Everything is the best until next week ! Laser Disc were a great idea at some point ? And then next week came ! DAC of the week club is the new club ?
@ernestporee3697 No, you're missing my point. That's not how I work. If I come across a better speaker of that size and in the price bracket I will inform my community, but that is unlikely to happen very often given the rate of performance and the cost for these speakers.
Please don't put me in the same category as most of the other UA-cam channels out there looking for clickbait. That is not how I work. I'm not doing this for an income, it's my hobby. I don't need the likes or the subscribers as a metric of my performance. I'm about bringing honest integrity to reviewing equipment.
All box speakers sound like boxes.
_All of them!!!_
PLANAR MAGNETIC SPEAKERS ONLY.
@unclewilbur8976 Well, that is one opinion. Obviously, you're not very interested in bass then.
WOW, all that for the same price of a brand new, fully loaded, 2024 GS310 BMW motorcycle with tax, title, helmet, full tank of gas and a cup of tea. lol audio is hilarious.
Where are you from, mate? I don't know where you can buy a brand new BMW motorbike, even a crappy one for 3 grand fully loaded🤔 that comment is hilarious. I think it best you boil the kettle have a cup of tea and think about what you just typed.😁
The best on the planet you say?
@wh0tube Yes, they are as good as anything I've ever heard.
You know what? I believe you! There are millions of claims on UA-cam about the best, the only, the last, etc. But, with people like yourself, you can tell you genuinely believe in the product you’re reviewing.
@wh0tube Yes I know what you mean there are loads of lofty claims out there to get clicks, but my integrity is everything to me at the end of the day I'm not going to say anything I don't 100% believe in. I've been lucky enough to hear a lot of equipment over my 35 years doing this, and for their size and their price, there is nothing out there better that I know about.🎧🙂👍
@ great to know some people still have t(eir integrities intact. My integrity hasnt been the same since I recapped my SIQ 200.4! 😁
$4k for that? What utter nonsense. It may be the best desktop speaker you have ever heard while trying to adhere to the "desktop" designation, but your description is the same descriptors that we hear all the time from other brands. Speakers that faithfully produce balanced performance throughout the FR are common now. Most people have room on either side of their desktop to put speakers on stands while not cluttering the desk with them, and isolating them from the desktop.
I have 8" 3-ways on either side of my 1 meter wide desk. Is it the best in the world? There is no such thing, but they are certainly contenders and they have trounced every "desktop" speaker I have heard. I have yet to meet a small speaker that shares sub bass with the mid range driver that I like. Not at louder levels once that high excursion starts to mess things up. Give me a 3-way monitor with an isolated mid range, and a sub bass capable woofer with some actual displacement and we're getting close to ideal. Further hand off those lowest octaves to a separate sub and we're home.
Try breaking away from the idea that "desktop monitors" need to be so small and on the actual desk. You'll open up a lot more options and SQ with instead, "near field monitors."
I don't trust a company who's manufacturing is so inefficient that they need to charge so much for so little. It's 2024. There is no exclusive mystery magic left with speaker design to warrant such cost.
OK, let's go through this.
" What utter nonsense" Well, that's your opinion. Have you actually heard these speakers? Because a statement like that would suggest you have. But I'm suggesting you probably haven't.
"Your description is the same description we hear all the time." How else would you like me to describe something that sounds that good? There are only so many words out there that can be used.
I unlike most others try to give an accurate description as to what I'm hearing and go into a lot of detail in my final thoughts videos to describe what I'm hearing to help people that might be interested in auditioning these speakers.
"Try breaking away from the idea that desktop monitors need to be so small."
Desktop monitors do need to be that small. That's why they're desktop monitors. They are designed and are a category of speakers to fit in a small space to be listened to in the near field. What you're describing, of course, will sound better. Putting a larger standmount speaker on a desk, of course, gives you more bass but you're missing the point around what a desktop monitor is. And further to that, you create as many problems as you'll fix putting a stand mount speaker on a desk where it's not designed to be. Those things include isolation. Also, a stand mount speaker is designed to be in an open space to create its soundstage, so putting them in a small space as you describe would have its inherent problems.
I'm not suggesting and never have that pairing a subwoofer with these speakers wouldn't improve them because, of course, it would. But again now we're talking about what you would do with a pair of standmount speakers that need help in the lower octave. These speakers are for placing on a desk in a second or possibly even 3rd system in your house or office. Totally different categories. That's how I reviewed them, and that's why I made the statement I did in regard to their category. Charging so much for so little, you say. I would say quite the opposite. These may well be small in stature but, in my opinion, destroy speakers even up to four times their size in their rate of performance.
I would suggest you need to stop thinking that because something is small, it needs to be cheap. It's 2024, and designers need to be paid for their R&D to create something that sounds so big from something that is so small.
GM☕️🍩🦘
One hell of a “desk top speaker “…given that these little guys worked wonders in your room .
Great video and thank you for introducing me to F&F 👍
You are welcome mate, doing this review was my absolute pleasure.😁🎧👍
I guess they rock'd your world
@johnshaw359 Hi John, they are a lovely little desktop speaker. They are the best I've heard so far in that category.🎧👍🙂
So you tested ALL desktop speakers on the planet? Do you realise that there are virtually thousands of similar speakers and you’ve heard them all? As Carl Sagan said: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”, so prove your claim.
@wernerschroer6138 Where in that video did I say I had heard everything. I have heard anything that is comparable that is worth hearing that I am sure of. They are the best I have heard. They are worthy of an audition, and it's a headline, mate.
How about you prove that they aren't and give us a list of miniature speakers that have these credentials. Outboard crossovers very heavy dense slate enclosures top quality cabling that connects it to the outboard crossovers. Lastly have you heard any of Shane's videos demonstrating this masterpiece and -2 db at 50 hz in room speaks volumes. Shane's entitled to his opinion which I agree with and has the credentials to form this opinion and time spent listening and demonstrating these speakers
@staceymangham Thanks, mate. I had a feeling that headline might generate some pushback, lol. But if it gets more people to watch that video and go out and audition them, then I've done my job.👍👌🎧
Also have you even watched this entire video or just read the headline and drawn your gun out of the holster and fired
@@shanestephenson8423Look mate, it wasn’t meant to be aggressive. I’m grateful for what you’re doing. I was knocking the Aussie habit of declaring that this or that is “the best in the world”. You cannot say that unless you know for sure that there’s nothing better out there. And don’t forget, we have only a small fraction of the products that you can buy in the rest of the world. We pay the price for our isolation. But being an Aussie myself I’ve falling in the trap too.