50.2/52.4. Those are some pretty incredible splits for an indoor 800m. Only 2 seconds difference. That's why it's still the world record over 25 years later. And he looked like he was not at his limit. He was just so relaxed and beautiful to watch. Just flowing along the track.
Voice of reason. Kipketer is one of my heroes and favourite ever athletes. In fact, his Olympic vest from Athens hangs proudly framed on my bedroom wall. Close to an idol perhaps. My heart tells me he is possibly the greatest middle distance TALENT ever and certainly the greatest 800m runner ever. But I can't lie and say my brain isn't a little weary of the possibility of something. Its simply the era he ran in (that 96-00 designer drug frenzy era) and it's so sad, but nothing can be discounted
Either way, we are simply never going to know. So let's do as newromantic says and just forget about that and enjoy the greatest combination of elegance and power in an athlete we have ever seen, and maybe will ever see.
I am a very big Kipketer fan, and in my heart he is the greatest ever. But I have to be perfectly honest and say that in my mind, I cringe when I hear the words "Kipketer" "America" "secret" and "preparation" mentioned in the same sentence.
Not surprisingly, those who did the worst job of following Kipketer through the early stages ended up in second and third. Those who tried their best... faded to fourth- sixth, out of the medals.
@newromantic888 -Hi mate. I'm fine thanks. How's u? I agree that it was a fantastic run, but I don't put as much weight on indoor performances. Coghlan ran 3:49 Mile indoors but could never replicate it outdoors. I think this race underlines Kip as head and shoulders above the rest and it was a clear indication that he was going to break Coe's record in the summer, but I don't think one can say this is worth 1:40 outdoors. There are too many variables involved.
In defense of Coghlan and Coe .. Eamonn accomplished something incredible what El G and, more recently Kejelcha didn't (or maybe couldn't do): break 3:50 on a non mondo surface on an undersized track with tighter turns. (It's quick to point out that Eamonn tragically lost his father suddenly just before that historic run) And with Coe, he had much greater depth in range than Kip. Seb wasn't a specialist since he was attacking several distances over a 7 year span ('79-86) In the overall stats, Coe's 1k best is over 2 seconds faster than Kips', 13 'eternal 'secs faster at 1,500 and and over 12 secs faster in the mile.. (that equates to about a 90 meter deficit)
You might be able to get a rough conversion over short sprints, but there is no wind indoors, so you have to take that into consideration also. A 1:42.7 800m on an indoor track with no wind is actually preferable to running outdoors, with all the variable weather conditions that entails! Also, the bends indoors are banked, giving a feel of running downhill, thus the angle of the track is not the same as on a flat outdoor track. If he'd run the same day on an outdoor track it would be no faster.
@@timmytheinventor4746 I disagree. There have been increasing numbers of athletes every year who run very fast times indoors that then fail to replicate it outdoors. E.g Elliott Giles ran 1:43.6 indoors at the start of the year but couldn’t break 1:44 outdoors despite a dozen attempts.
@@deano27671 Indoors doesn't make your time faster though. It just doesn't. Use the World Athletics scoring system. An indoor 800m always translates to a faster 800m outdoors. And if the 800m indoors was faster than the 800m outdoors, why isn't our indoor season longer? Giles was just simply in better shape indoors than outdoors. He made a big mistake in terms of his peaking. Usually, athletes treat indoor season like it's just an extra part of their season, but Giles treated it like it was the sole thing he'd focus on for the whole year. Even making the Olympics after a 1:43.6 is impressive. And I really wasn't expecting a reply from a comment made 12 years ago. Damn.
Kip has a great claim to being the greatest 800m runner ever, though it's subjective, but to say he's greatest middle distance talent ever is a bit over the top. What were his 1000 & 1500m pb's? What medals did he win over the longer of the 2 middle distances? Let's not get too carried away. And this doesn't equate to a 1:40 outdoors. You can't convert one into the other. For a start there is no wind indoors. It is a stupendous run, but it ONLY tells us he was in 1:42.7 form in March!
Kip was a specialist, just like Rudisha. Kip did run other distances but couldn't come close to Coe's depth of range.(2:12.18 @ 1k, 3:29.77 @ 1,500 , 3:47.33 @ the mile) Kip's best 1,500m is over 13 SECONDS slower!! Coe's attacks on WR's covered 4 distances over 7 years !!
Its the first time I've seen this run! Quite incredible, if a bit baffling why he would want to push himself to run so fast at this point in the season!? Though I guess by this time there was almost a grand prix like circuit indoors. Definitely not a choker, but doesn't deserve an honorary gold for 96; there are plenty of athletes who never got to win the gold they were capable of for a variety of reasons! Along with Coe, the most gifted and graceful athlete to run the event!
Rodal ran an incredible Atlanta 800 ! It was without a doubt the greatest 800 final in Olympic history! (yes, even with Rudisha's WR in London) If memory serves me correctly, 4 men broke 1:43 in the finals. Kip would've had his hands full down that final 100m Battle Royale , that's IF he would've medaled at all!!
50.2/52.4. Those are some pretty incredible splits for an indoor 800m. Only 2 seconds difference. That's why it's still the world record over 25 years later. And he looked like he was not at his limit. He was just so relaxed and beautiful to watch. Just flowing along the track.
Totally dominant
Voice of reason. Kipketer is one of my heroes and favourite ever athletes. In fact, his Olympic vest from Athens hangs proudly framed on my bedroom wall. Close to an idol perhaps. My heart tells me he is possibly the greatest middle distance TALENT ever and certainly the greatest 800m runner ever. But I can't lie and say my brain isn't a little weary of the possibility of something. Its simply the era he ran in (that 96-00 designer drug frenzy era) and it's so sad, but nothing can be discounted
Before 1:43.96 after 1:42.68
Either way, we are simply never going to know. So let's do as newromantic says and just forget about that and enjoy the greatest combination of elegance and power in an athlete we have ever seen, and maybe will ever see.
amazing
@franknjess Explain. Tell us his symptoms and a source of information. Just curious.
I am a very big Kipketer fan, and in my heart he is the greatest ever. But I have to be perfectly honest and say that in my mind, I cringe when I hear the words "Kipketer" "America" "secret" and "preparation" mentioned in the same sentence.
Not surprisingly, those who did the worst job of following Kipketer through the early stages ended up in second and third. Those who tried their best... faded to fourth- sixth, out of the medals.
@newromantic888 -Hi mate. I'm fine thanks. How's u?
I agree that it was a fantastic run, but I don't put as much weight on indoor performances. Coghlan ran 3:49 Mile indoors but could never replicate it outdoors. I think this race underlines Kip as head and shoulders above the rest and it was a clear indication that he was going to break Coe's record in the summer, but I don't think one can say this is worth 1:40 outdoors. There are too many variables involved.
In defense of Coghlan and Coe .. Eamonn accomplished something incredible what El G and, more recently Kejelcha didn't (or maybe couldn't do): break 3:50 on a non mondo surface on an undersized track with tighter turns. (It's quick to point out that Eamonn tragically lost his father suddenly just before that historic run) And with Coe, he had much greater depth in range than Kip. Seb wasn't a specialist since he was attacking several distances over a 7 year span ('79-86) In the overall stats, Coe's 1k best is over 2 seconds faster than Kips', 13 'eternal 'secs faster at 1,500 and and over 12 secs faster in the mile.. (that equates to about a 90 meter deficit)
You might be able to get a rough conversion over short sprints, but there is no wind indoors, so you have to take that into consideration also. A 1:42.7 800m on an indoor track with no wind is actually preferable to running outdoors, with all the variable weather conditions that entails! Also, the bends indoors are banked, giving a feel of running downhill, thus the angle of the track is not the same as on a flat outdoor track. If he'd run the same day on an outdoor track it would be no faster.
Not true.
@@timmytheinventor4746 I disagree. There have been increasing numbers of athletes every year who run very fast times indoors that then fail to replicate it outdoors. E.g Elliott Giles ran 1:43.6 indoors at the start of the year but couldn’t break 1:44 outdoors despite a dozen attempts.
@@deano27671 Indoors doesn't make your time faster though. It just doesn't. Use the World Athletics scoring system. An indoor 800m always translates to a faster 800m outdoors. And if the 800m indoors was faster than the 800m outdoors, why isn't our indoor season longer? Giles was just simply in better shape indoors than outdoors. He made a big mistake in terms of his peaking. Usually, athletes treat indoor season like it's just an extra part of their season, but Giles treated it like it was the sole thing he'd focus on for the whole year. Even making the Olympics after a 1:43.6 is impressive.
And I really wasn't expecting a reply from a comment made 12 years ago. Damn.
I wonder what the "secret preparation in America" is referring to!? It's a bit cryptic! I'd like to know what it was.
Kip has a great claim to being the greatest 800m runner ever, though it's subjective, but to say he's greatest middle distance talent ever is a bit over the top. What were his 1000 & 1500m pb's? What medals did he win over the longer of the 2 middle distances? Let's not get too carried away. And this doesn't equate to a 1:40 outdoors. You can't convert one into the other. For a start there is no wind indoors. It is a stupendous run, but it ONLY tells us he was in 1:42.7 form in March!
Kip was a specialist, just like Rudisha. Kip did run other distances but couldn't come close to Coe's depth of range.(2:12.18 @ 1k, 3:29.77 @ 1,500 , 3:47.33 @ the mile) Kip's best 1,500m is over 13 SECONDS slower!! Coe's attacks on WR's covered 4 distances over 7 years !!
wtf he set world record without expression?
Its the first time I've seen this run! Quite incredible, if a bit baffling why he would want to push himself to run so fast at this point in the season!? Though I guess by this time there was almost a grand prix like circuit indoors. Definitely not a choker, but doesn't deserve an honorary gold for 96; there are plenty of athletes who never got to win the gold they were capable of for a variety of reasons! Along with Coe, the most gifted and graceful athlete to run the event!
Rodal ran an incredible Atlanta 800 ! It was without a doubt the greatest 800 final in Olympic history! (yes, even with Rudisha's WR in London) If memory serves me correctly, 4 men broke 1:43 in the finals. Kip would've had his hands full down that final 100m Battle Royale , that's IF he would've medaled at all!!