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Thanks! "Back in the day" I believe technically a "receiver" had a tuner built in vs an integrated amp but I assume today having built in streaming qualifies, especially with the ability to stream radio from all over the world. I'm totally with you on the added flexibility of the receiver/speaker combo vs wireless speaker systems, especially when that "wireless" still involves running power cables to each speaker. Keep the 2-channel stuff coming LOL!
The only thing I can say is that all the industry needs to take a very close look at what Marantz is doing. They’re listening, and they also are delivering. Two things most brands fail at one or the other or even both (looking at you Rotel). Bravo Marantz. And I probably would still go with Stereo 70 vs Cinema70, but that’s just me. It feels like a damn good and versatile product. Great video and conversation as usual! Hope everyone is having a lovely Sunday and happy Veterans Day, thank you to all those who served and serve still.
Great review! I have the exact combination of a Marantz 70s and Lumina 2s for my bedroom setup. I have it connected to my Ps5 going into my LG C2. For my sub, I have the Rel tzero connected. All I can say is wow! This is the quintessential setup for parents who want to enjoy a good movie, play a game, or listen to music in their room after their kids go to bed. In my main room I have a Marantz 7015 with B&Ws and a 15 inch Rythmik sub. You can guess how many times I've been able to use that system since my toddler and infant came into my life. I love it but we can never use it to it's full potential. Having this Marantz 70s has given me an opportunity to enjoy my music like I once did. The lumina 2s are a perfect pairing and even my wife has now become an audiophile because of how fun it is to listen to music again. However!! I will say I took a serious pause before purchasing the Marantz 70s since the day before Amazon had the Cinema 70 for $999, a dollar cheaper than the stereo 70. Luckily I waited a day and the price went back to normal the next day making my decision easier. But with both units being the same price, it really gave me pause considering I wanted the cinema room correction. It really is a miss that the stereo 70 doesn't have basic correction. I'm sure Amazon will discount the cinema 70 again for the holidays so be aware. For me and my use, I don't want the surround so stereo 70 was the right choice. One last thing, Kristi is correct in that people will compare this to a soundbar. I considered this against the Samsung 900 series and while I appreciate the flexibility of the soundbar, you just can't compare the sound quality of the Marantz. I chose the Marantz for two reasons: hdmi connectivity (I find arc troublesome and didn't want to deal with it if I choose a soundbar) and the ability to choose better sounding speakers. Thanks again for your recommendations. You guys steered me to the lumina 2s and I'm grateful! Amazing speakers!
I cannot say enough good things about the Stereo 70/Lumina II setup! Glad I'm not alone. Thanks for watching and for sharing your firsthand experience!
If you have more than one thing to plug into active speakers, then I'd easily go the marantz way. I also like that they went 2 channel for us that prefer that over multiple speakers (been there and went back to 2 channel). Also great review, thanks for testing a bit more "odd" products (odd as in a 2ch receiver)! :)
Hi Andrew. You should do a video on your home. Your audio room looks pretty nice and I would like to see how you decorated the house to get some ideas. Thanks for the review!
Does the Stereo70, when streaming a film in 5.1, automatically downmix to two channel when used in a 2.1 setup via the HDMI connection (or does the TV’s digital output have to be switched to 2 channel pcm)? If a service such as Netflix allows you to switch from surround to 2 channel, I’ve noticed the sound is better than when the TV performs the downmix.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews so glad you mentioned the 40N in your review! Since I bought the 40N for listening only in the living room, I am so glad you mentioned the Cinema 70 at the end of your review. I think that is would I would have gravitated to if it were to go into my HT space. It just gives more options! Thanks again for your always thoughtful reviews and especially the conversations with Kristi!!❤️🥰❤️
What made the NR1200 amazing is that you get a music stereo amplifier that works with HDMI ARC and has bass and treble controls. Every other brand misses the point. I don't want 10 speakers in my house and I don't want two amps (one for my TV and one for my record player). Not to mention having to go inside a menu to change the bass or treble. I mean how hard is it to put ARC and two knobs on a stereo amp?
Thank you for this review I got my Marantz 4 days ago and love it. It is such a nice-sounding warm amp and works well with my monitor audio bronze speakers. I am hearing things in my music that I haven't heard before. The only downside is that Heos app. This is why I just stick to my Eversolo DMP-A6 but everything else was very easy to set up.
Love the review as always. Two differentiators are that the stereo 70s employs HDAM’s where the cinema 70 does not. Also if having 2 pairs of stereo speakers and A/B-ing them is important, again the stereo 70s will allow this while the cinema70 will not
Is the Stereo 70s using the same internals as the Denon DRA-900H? Specs seem the same. Would also be interested in how the Stereo 70s compares with the Bluesound POWERNODE.
Andrew, you need to tell these OEMs to put room correction in 2 channel products, even if it's just Audessey. That's why I would go with the Cinema 70s over the Stereo 70s. Even the most basic room correction will set your sub distance for you, including DSP delay. Also with the Audessey app you can limit the correction to 500 hz if you choose. IMO, room correction is the number 1 reason to go with an AVR over a 2 channel integrated.
Kristy said what was in my head the entire video, what would be the benefit over the cinema 70. Outside of power. If it was half the price or significantly less in cost, It would make more sense. Originally, I wanted this, because I was going with a 2-channel system in my living room using a NR1200 but because of the way living room is set up, the phantom center doesn’t work well. (Plus, my tower speaker sits in the Christmas tree spot) so I bought a passive soundbar speaker that’s under my tv. With the cinema 70 I can do 3.1 setup, and have everything that the stereo 70 has, put other options should I choose to go another route. I did consider the stereo 70 in my 2-channel room where I have my PS5 and Series X connected to my tv. I mostly listen to music but my McIntosh doesn’t have hdmi arc, but it does have HT bypass so the ST-70 could work there. In the end, bought a node with hdmi arc. The node has arc volume control via coaxial outs and cost less. As for the cinema 70 disrupting the powered speaker market. I’m not sure the size of the market. I know people with soundbars but no one with powered speakers. However, it’s not I know a lot of people. In any case, I always thought passive soundbars with receivers similar to the St-70 would be the dominant market due to flexibility with connections and central wiring. But I also thought the that Samsung tv’s one connect box would transition to all TV’s. Clearly, I know nothing about market design. I think Anthem is coming out with a home theater A/C that’s small and thin enough to hide behind a tv or cabinet. It’s only 5.1 but sounds interesting
After using a Marantz AV receiver Audyssey with room correction I can’t imagine going back to one without it, even in a two channel setup. The Stereo 70 might have lots of features and benefit from Denon-like interface but without room correction I doubt it’s worth the savings compared to the Cinema 70 or other Marantz “AV” receivers. Thanks for making sure that the fact that it doesn’t include room correction clear, but I think that it really needs more attention.
I bought the Marantz Stereo 70s and haven’t missed Audyssey. Love I can now pair my Marantz SR8015 and Stereo 70s via HEOS for wireless connection between both devices.
I love Kristi, but I definitely agree with you, Andrew. The Stereo 70 is going to be a problem even with speakers that might be hard to drive , as I'm not sure Kristi is giving much thought about how valuable people craving power appreciate active preouts. Add to that the HDMI inputs, and I feel that the only thing Marantz could have and still SHOULD do is make the Stereo 70 and Cinema70, a dual mono, fully discrete, fully balanced design. At which point you'd have a "Hometheater-phile" product, which I feel would leave a lot of companies scrambling and pulling their proverbial hair out. Then you could offer them some KEEPS products. 😅
great review!!!!! Walked the DC audio fest Friday......listened to room after room of $$$$$$ systems.........came home......plugged in a vintage Onkyo a 7070 (thanks JUST AUDIO) to a pair of ELAC bookshelf speakers.....proved it doesn't take much create a satisfying system. the ELAC connex were set up in there room....filled the room quite nicely......they were leading with that set up......going on sale today 399.00 a pair Caladens were interesting
Good discussion on the STEREO 70 vs CINEMA 70. I think one of the reasons people would buy a stereo over an multi-channel AVR is a mindset for some that they like the idea of a simpler front speakers without the mess of side or rear speakers. I'm one of those people. My upstairs living room is a 3.0 setup and for a long time I felt using my 5.1.2 AVR for this purpose were wasted channels. Then I remembered I could Bi-Amp and actually noticed a slight improvement coming from my speakers. In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't go stereo only and agree with Andrew you do need to consider whether you want more options or not in your setup when deciding between the STEREO 70 and the CINEMA 70.
Earlier this year I bought the KEF R3 initially for a stereo system connected to my TV, so I was looking into a stereo receiver with HDMI inputs, for which there are limited options out there. I saw some older models from Denon (DRA-800H) and Marantz (NR1200) and was not convinced until this new Marantz line came out. I jumped into the Cinema 70s because of the slim form factor and the advantage of having pre outs in case I needed more power. But then there was a discount on the Cinema 60, for just around 100 Eur more than the 70s. And that was it, I started my system with the R3 and the Cinema 60. Few weeks later I felt I was lacking on the movie/TV dialogues, no matter how great the "phantom" center produced by the R3 is and no matter how enhanced I was setting the dialogue option on the Marantz. Then I decided to get one of the last R2C center units while they were on sale. Then, my point is that what I initially considered turned out to be away from what I ended up getting. Happily I decided to get the Cinema 60 instead, so I have more flexibility. This Stereo 70s is a nice option with probably no competitors out there, but, be mindful of your future needs.
@@musiclassica I did not test the Cinema 70, went directly to the 60. And I am enjoying it. I am having some difficulties with the HDMi settings though. I don't usually turn on the Marantz, so I want it to be manually turned on by myself... It is connected to my Oppo BluRay player, a Google Chromecast and the Cable TV Box, all signaling to my LG Oled TV. The Chromecast, when turned on it also turns on the Marantz which I don't want. I had some settings working before but recently I changed things and messed with it. Now I don't know the proper settings combination. In the near future I will probably buy a small Sub, something like the SVS 3000 Micro, but first I want to do some room treatment. I want to put some vertical wood panels on the wall just like those on Andrew's room. Other than that, happy with the 60.
Andrew, Love your video's! i'm in the market for a Cinema 70 or Stereo 70. I was wondering, what produces the best dound quality for music? Like.. initially i'm more interested in the Stereo, but maybe in the future a 5.1 setup will be there again, and yes, still open for the aditional amp. But what would be best for stereo music now? or would you think there is not much of a difference. Currently have BW707S2 speakers.
At last it is a question of getting it and how it fits with your other Stereo Setup. The Marantz is not my Amp ,cause i prefer Aluminium at the Front. My Dealer had a Denon dra900h .....the brother of the 70s. What should i say......it is my best Deal for Years. Even my Speakers, Vintage Canton Karat 60 and Monitor Audio 200 apear more round and smooth in Sound. And.. the dra900h is stronger, 100Watt at 8 Ohm per Chanel !
Of course we HAVE to totally agree with Kristi. In all seriousness, I don't feel that the majority of consumers walk into the store knowing the nuanced implications of going either of these routes down the road. They're often subject to trends and salesmanship (aka profit margins). Each setup will work well if you know what is important to you and choose wisely. Same reason why some people enjoy their integrateds while others their separates. Each to his/her own in the pursuit of the desired sound.
Still looking to upgrade my preamp for the upstairs stereo. I love exploring options. What i have works fine and sounds fine. Cant wait to figure this out
I feel like the Stereo 70s is more or less the new version of the Marantz NR1200. I've watched your review of the NR1200 and you didn't seem too thrilled about it. I wish you had brought it up in this video review to highlight the differences between the two. While I've no doubt the Stereo 70 is probably much better, the NR1200 is currently $399 on closeout everywhere so I picked one up for a modest bedroom setup I'm building with some Klipsch RP600m's. I'm not expecting to be blown away by any means but curious how this would have compared should I have chosen to save my pennies and gone with the Stereo 70. Great review as always guys and props to Christy for getting additional info to compare the Stereo 70s to the Model 40n :)
Thanks for this comment. I came here hoping to see just that comparison so you have saved me 20 minutes. I actually thought he quite liked the NR 1200, in fact I went out and bought one not long after. I am very satisfied, it is in fact a PM6006 pure audio amp with a video board piggybacked on to it and NOT a multimedia receiver amp being pressed into audio service. Therefore it is properly musical and the onboard DAC is excellent although I would say the MM phono pre-amp is not. On paper the Stereo 70 appears to offer no change. Where the 70 is different seems to be in the updated video/HDMI board (now offering 8K etc). The NR 1200 was listed at $690 at the time but often available for $590 which is what I paid. The Stereo 70 at $1000 is therefore not a compelling upgrade. Edit: Just want to add that although I haven't heard them together I think the RP600m should be an excellent choice. If you are familiar with the term "British sound" I find Klipsch have a very American sound. Its rich and deep but thanks to the horns quite forward and lively. They should liven up the slightly relaxed sounding Marantz.
Awesome review! I'm a two channel guy, so this unit is on my list as i don't have hard to drive soeakers (wharfedale diamond 11.2). Is this better than the previous model NR1200 which is going for $450 ish right now with same power rating?
Thanks for another fun and fact filled video ! I have a soft spot for Marantz from back in the 70s when I had a 2365. I believe and I loved it! I haven’t had a Marantz in years and several years ago’s got back into the home theater as I decided on a Marantz 5.2 ,integrated now just 2channel amp , and while waiting for a new unison Unicor 90 I put this Marantz PM5005 @ 40 watts rms x2 integrated was in my system. And oh my ! It’s a solid sound of Marantz so even a smaller cheaper is amplifier It still sounds good no matter what is situation in my humble opinion
Great review and thank you so much for giving true impression on new marantz products! I'm on the fence between stereo 70 and cinema 70. All the features difference is completely clear. I'm still missing your thoughts how do they differ sonically in 2.0/2.1 setup, especially taking into account marantz claims using Hyper Dynamic Amplifier Modules in Stereo 70.
Andrew and Kristy thank you so much for your reviews. I have an old Denon 3802 RSV. I love how this thing sounds with all its power. I moved it out of my Media / Music room because it has no modern video media inputs. I am considering upgrading to the Cinema 70s because of your review. My late 1980s JBL towers which I love have a sensitivity of 91 at 6 ohms 1/5/8/12 inch. After your review, I want to use the Denon 3802 as an amp (Pre IN) to drive my JBL L7 front with its 100-watt per channel on all 7 amps. I love the sound of the JBL L7s, but they tend to get a little bright. I do drive these speakers at 65-75 DB at times on an inexpensive Costco Yamaha RSV at the moment. I would move the Yamaha to my computer room with the Bose 601 Series III speakers. My musical taste is all over the place, (Big Band, Pop, Soft Rock, Jazz Fusion, R&B, and some classical). I also use Schitts DAC and a headphone amp with HiFiMan headphones. Do you think this would be a good setup (Denon 3802 and Cenima 70S together).
@16:27 😮 you guys have inside info or heard something in the grapevine, about a Formation Duo 2.0 product?? P.S: now Formation Duos are part of loads of store deals here in the UK at half the price so it’s a really really attractive choice when you see it priced around $3,000. And I still haven’t heard a power speaker that can rival it at that price range, not even LS60. You will have to move to B&O or GENELEC 8361 to hear something better.
Marantz has made excellent equipment going back to the Model 60, and later the 2270 stereo. The only surround receiver I've ever owned is the giant Marantz with 90 watts x 7 output. It's old, but my movies sound wonderful. I did move my center to an Emotiva 150 watts/channel for my giant front speakers. Sadly the future brought about a Cambridge receiver for my corner system. My main system has an Emotiva pre and Emotiva 125 watt amp. Marantz is too expensive for me now, but I never question the quality.
If you’re into vinyl, the Stereo 79S makes more sense due to its great phono pre-amp. I’m happy with my choice, I’m never going back to surround sound. Too much hassle. The bonus with the Stereo 70s is dedicated external tone controls.
Ive said it before. When my marantz home theater preamp died a month before the warranty ended, they not only sent me a new unit, but it was the newer model. (Which i couldnt really afford nowadays).
It's not for me personally. But for $1000, that's one heck of a unit. And I think it would more than satisfy the majority of people. Plus it's a looker too. Good job Marantz. ✌️
I have the Marantz Stereo 70s. The only differences I found are no HDAM modules on the Cinema 70s, the rear ports do not appear to be gold plated, and the power. The question remains, do the HDAM modules make the Marantz Stereo 70s sound better? I purchased my Marantz Stereo 70s refurbished for $599. The Cinema 70s is selling for $674 with the current 25% discount. I chose the Marantz Stereo 70s as I intend to use it as a stereo receiver, with no plans to add more speakers.
Looks to be the ideal av receiver to replace my soundbar, I was set on getting the marantz nr1200 but this new receiver from them defo looks to be the one I’m gonna go for. The receiver will be powering a pair of Klipsch RP500m ii’s and I may also get a subwoofer further down the line. Is there much difference between the nr1200 and the Stereo 70 when it comes to sound quality.
Andrew and Kristi, thanks for being part of my daily digital lifestyle! This was a fun review. I used to be big on home theater, but my tastes have changed to being more of a two channel guy. And, I'm not sure I'm ready for soundbars, etc. So I am leaning towards Andrew's theory. Sorry Kristi 😄. However, I feel that Andrew's theory rest solely on how Marantz positions and messages this product in the market - and - what other manufacturers might do to follow them. Sorry for the caveat Andrew 😅.
This is a fantastic product. Had it for a few months. This is more of a killer to AV receivers than it is to powered speakers. Truly has EVERYTHING the good AV receivers has minus the surround amplification. More and more people are not investing in 5 to 11 speakers. This is the product that is long over do. I bought an outboard amp because my towers needed more power but if you have no interest in surround sound and are going to drive book shelves then stereo 70 is obvious choice. Cinema 70 power too low. It will work with movies at 50 watts but for music not enough unless you have really easy to drive speakers. Great review andrew! I was waiting to hear your opinion on this. Thx!
Watched the whole thing before commenting ;) I use and enjoy factor as well, congrats on the sponsorship Powered speakers have their merits, i really like my dynaudio LYDs for example, the power amp is perfectly matched and they sound incredible. They have their place, like on a computer desk. The shortcomings are always in connectivity, and cable management. For example I cant connect a hdmi source to my powered speakers, and you cant really put an XLR cable or C13 style power cable through most speaker stands. When you take the connectivity issues and then consider that many powered speakers still need some sort of preamp for volume control, something like the cambridge axr100, the 6000a or this marantz start to make alot more sense, because you get more choices in speakers, its easier to upgrade in time, and you're taking up the same footprint compared to powered + Pre. Im using a Rotel A11 with a pair of q acoustics bookshelves and a fluance turntable as a small listening area in my house where the wife and i enjoy some vinyl, this is where something like the stereo 70 shines, its aesthetically pleasing, easy to use, has a remote control, etc. Im interested in trying an audiolab, the AXR100 and this new marantz in the future.
Hi, would you say the Cinema 70s on its own is enough to power the Dali Opticon 2 MK2 as part of a 5.1 setup (rest of the speakers are AudioPro Soniq, so no problem there)?
I was in the market for a Bluesound Powernode when I saw that marantz was going to offer this to the market for the same price. The benefit to me would be the extra connectivity. In your opinion, would you still go with the Stereo 70 with a sub woofer or the powernode with a sub woofer?
I just got this unit when I couldn’t get the 1200NR. It sounds very good. I only play vinyl and HEOS through it. It’s connected to 2 x 10” Klipsch subs and two Klipsch Ref II tower speakers. I also connected a cheap 13” TV so I could see album art when streaming and for easier setup. I do find I have to turn the volume up higher (around 65) compared to my 150W Sony to get the same volume levels. But, the sound quality is so much better I don’t mind. Maybe I’ll look at that Emotiva amp. Cheers
Had this been around about three years ago, I may have chosen this over the Cambridge Audio CX81. My setup was a 5.1 theatre place and I gave up HDMI connectivity. This would have allowed me to keep that. Now I use the toslink cable connection. That sometimes is not in sync. Still working on that. I also am not a powered speakers. I think it makes the wires harder to hide and a hot mess. But that’s just me.
KEF dropped the price of the LS50W2 to $2K for the holidays, which is a clear win for anyone looking for an excellent-sounding system. Actually, if you're looking at the pair of LS50Meta (passive) for $400 more you can get an amp, streamer, and a DAC. So, I agree with Kristi, the Marantz is for a different customer.
Your comparison at the end threw me. Cinema 70 vs Stereo 70. I priced them here in Switzerland and Cinema 70s were cheaper at US$739 vs Stereo 70s US$997. I run classic (aka old) B&W805 Matrix (1994) speakers. Help? Go the Cinema 70s or a different amp altogether? Great channel.
the Stereo 70, let alone the Cinema 70, will not power your speakers no where to it's full potential. Those products are more home cinema oriented stuff. In my opinion, you'd be better of with an Audiolab 7000a. Of course, it all depends on your budget. Grüezi us Basel ;)
My speakers are Wharfdale Diamond 225 and I went for the Marantz Stereo 70s for the better 2 channel electronics. If your B&W need more power, perhaps you can look at the newer Marantz M1, its rated at 100 watts vs 75 for the Marantz Stereo 70s. The M1 is getting great reviews.
So I can say after buying our home and then realizing I was going to be compromised when it came to the space for our bedroom. This is probably what I'm going with to run a great stereo/home theater system. Having 8k upscaling and a good power output I'm excited to build my system around this unit.
The amplifier section of this is nothing like the PM6007, PM8006, PM40n, PM7000n, it is weaker. Just take a look inside, see the difference. The stamped heat sinks are a great clue.
Great review and thank you for the honesty with respect to bass. In my experience most lower priced amps and most avrs struggle with bass in 2 channel music. Boomy and loose. I have a marantz model 30. That bad boy sounds phenomenal!Hopefully in the next version of it it'll have hdmi and bass management (crossovers). That would make it one of the best in the market.
1000 is a bit much. Id spend the extra 300$ and get an onkyo rz50. Then you get dirac live as well. Dirac license itself is $300 so technically rz50 and this marantz is the same price. Onkyo you get 7.X.4 capability, over 100 watts of power, excellent stereo sound. Even if you only use 2 speakers , i think onkyo is still better
Hi guys, i just got the stereo 70s because of all the inputs it has. It replaces my harman kardon 3480 which sounded great in combination with mordaunt short 904i. Now the new marantz is slightly better in the mid-range, the bass is way worse. It ends up sounding clean but with less dept and sound stage then the old hk3480. Would adding a subwoofer help in this regard? Or should I use it as a pre-amp and connect it to my hk3480? What would you suggest?
I see this Marantz as a product for a long term small apartment dweller where a jack of all trades receiver makes sense. Which is the definition of a niche market. But I think I side with Kristi on the premise. The lifestyle images of a clutter - less powered speaker setup is what helps the powered speaker sell. A traditional receiver form factor even if this Marantz breaks the mold with a gamut of connections does not inspire a more modern, clutter less lifestyle. Marantz would need to bombard the advertising channels with images that say otherwise in order for the Stereo 70s to torpedo the powered speaker market. Your review certainly opens up some eyes though and I greatly appreciate it. Enjoy your Sunday!
Bought the Marantz NR1609 back then for around $500, the pre-out as main selling point for an easy/cheap stereo/surround setup, have only surround speakers and subwoofer connected to it, in my small room very nice surround effects, was really pleasantly surprised with Netflix in Dolby Digital+, all series/movies are so much more involving. Would probably buy this one, once i upgrade my television for 120Hz version.
No room correction? Another missed opportunity, since most signals that it amplifies (if not all) all already in the digital domain. Still stuck in the last century, except for the HDMI input. 😉
any thoughts on Stereo70 c/a CA Evo 150 (paired with SF Lumina II)? I know, different price category, but I think they both aim at the same market (stereo, streaming oriented, TV connected, one box solutions). Can not decide between marantz 40n - yamaha nr1000 - marantz stereo 70s - CA Evo 150 and it drives me crazy :-)
I’ve been experimenting with a Kef LS60, paired with a Marantz Cinema 70 (for surrounds while watching movies or gaming). They work really well together.
Do you think the benefits of better sound quality from a good stereo system, outweighs the surround sound benefits of say the Ambeo, HT-A9 or Q990C? Basically, which would you say is more important (at least in your opinion): sound quality or surround sound?
It all depends on what you're going for. Can a stereo system make for a good movie-going one? Yes, but it will never fully surround you nor maybe captivate you the way a surround sound system can when playing back a proper (or good) surround mix. I look at it this way, a good/great home theater setup can also be a good stereo system, whereas a stereo setup can never really be a home theater.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thanks for answering. In terms of sound quality, how much would you really say I am missing out on, with my Q990B (or similar kind of system)? Do I need to feel like I am not really listening to ‘good’ sound or listening to the music ‘incorrectly’?
Is there any sonic difference between cinema70 and stereo70 in stereo? In Europe Cinema70 costs 680€ and Steeeo costs 1000€. Marantz "marketing" says that there are better components in Stereo unit.
I wish manufacturers would offer 3.1 or 3.2 receivers. Onkyo used to make one model like that but ended the line rather quickly. With a slimmer form factor similar to stereo amps but a better replacement than a sound bar.
Guess you can look at the Cinema 70s and use it as a 3.1 system. I thought about it, but at the end, I mostly use it for music listening, so I went for the better stereo electronics.
Yall have been a pivotal part of my hifi journey. I am about to purchase a set of L100 classic, L52 for rear surround, the stereo 70s av receiver and was wondering if i could use this to adequately power the system until i can afford to add the marantz mm7055? Any advice on vintage lookin center channel to compliment this setup? Thanks soo much for all you do
You would need to get the Cinema 70 (not the Stereo 70 reviewed here) to do home theater with the L100s. I would add or budget for an Emotiva BasX A2 bit.ly/3uRu9o1 for the L100s.
Hi Andrew, you mentioned that you feel like Marantz stereo 70 is missing control in bass, but how about when connected to subwoofer using bass management? You mentioned that you tested it with the Klipsch subwoofer but we did not get any info about the sound difference with it. Thanks for the review.
If you output the bass to a sub then that changes things, but it also defeats the purpose of buying a speaker like the R700 which only needs the bottom most octave augmented.
The main reason to buy active speaker for me is the clutter. Secondly the amp-speaker matching which might be a nightmare by buying separates. So i'm with Kristi, the active speaker market doesn't afraid of this product.
If i was on a budget i'd look at the Marantz NR1510 at $400 less. That said, if not on a budget and focusing on 2 channel performance, love the Luxman L-550AXII with meters. 😉
Thank you for this review. I have been really excited for it. I think I will go with the cinema 70s for all the reasons you mentioned. I was leaning that way already but was waiting to hear it from someone other than myself. Again thanks
is this a avr reduced to 2 channels or a stereo integrated amplifier with hdmi? how does it compare in 2 channel music stereo performance vs c50/c40....?
Thanks for the review. The Audiolab 7000a is the same price here, actually a little bit cheaper. 6000a play is quite a lot cheaper than both Considering this and if there is no real need for the HDMI switching would you say the 7000a is the way to go? On the other we do have HEOS devices around the house.
If you don't need the HDMI connectivity the 7000A is superior sonically and drives more difficult speakers with a bit more confidence --including those rated to 4 Ohms.
hi i will soon have the eversolo dmp-a6 which i connect to my denon avr-x4500h in combination with the polk xt60 in stereo mode full band is it useful to buy the marantz Stereo 70S for even purer sound or does the eversolo still transmit its own sound to the speakers by means of an rca cable
Really enjoyed the video. But I have older the older Sony SS-F7000 speakers. Will this product work well with those or is there a better receiver recommendation. Thanks.
Great review! First I’ve seen on the Stereo 70S. You stated you preferred the sound of the Yamaha 1000A, any thoughts on sound comparison to the 800A? Closer in price to the 70s.
Another great review guys, where you mentioned the stereo 70 needing a little more power when paired with power hungry speakers like the R700’s, is that the same with the comparison amps like the audiolab 7000? Another side question, what are the chances of technics doing a SUG1000 MK3 with the HDMI that should have been in the MK2
Sir and madam, i regularly watch your videos. I like yamaha sound for sparkling female vocals, please guide which one should i prefer yamaha RN 800 or marantz stereo 70s, my preference is clear sound with lovely female vocal and bright treble. I m not a bass head. Thank you.
Love your channel and its content. I’m purchasing KEF ls60s at their recent lowered cost. At 5 grand do you think you could even come close to matching the performance with separate components?
I recently bought the LS60. I moved from it from a R3 Meta, Marantz 40n and KC62 Sub, this system cost more than the LS60 (without the sale) but the LS60 sounds so much better, and overall takes up much less space. I would say you cannot build a comparable system for the price, unless you go preowned.
I’ve enjoyed my aging Marantz NR1506 and mostly listen to music with it via Apple TV with Apple Music lossless. I run it in a 3.1 config with small Definitive Technology ProMonitor 1000’s and a ProSub 800. The stereo 70 seems like a logical upgrade! I would stick with Marantz or possibly switch to Technics. Great review as always!
I've had the whole home theater thing for years. I've went back to less boxes and going for just stereo. The flexibility in a stereo receiver or a pre amp negates the power speaker option, for me anyway.
Interesting product, tons of connectivity, great looks and doesn't break the bank, one question, sound wise, how does it compare to the Audiolab 6000A? They are similarly priced. I bought one based on many positive reviews but ended up returning it because I wasn't crazy about the sound. As far as powered speakers, it's a no contest since the only one I use are for my desk top which I never use for music or movies with the exception of Italian movies from Italy which cannot be played on anything else.
Excellent review! I think many of us that buy powered speakers and studio monitors use them in a desktop setting and therefore if we were to use passives, we'd look for a desktop amp like the BlueSound PowerNode or MiniDSP SHD Power. I wish Marantz could create a desktop 2 channel integrated with Audyssey. Even the Stereo 70 is too large for desktop use. Also, do the power requirements for integrated amps and receivers matter that much when we cross over to a sub at 80Hz? I'm guessing speakers then become dramatically easier to drive, right?
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I’m not sure why this is a powered vs passive tv discussion. I feel like it should be a stereo receiver vs integrated amp discussion.
Confused me too
Yep, 100%
Totally agree!
Yep, nothing to do with active speakers. It is a stereo receiver and should have been reviewed as such
Agree. I have active speakers for the sound quality primarily.
Thanks! "Back in the day" I believe technically a "receiver" had a tuner built in vs an integrated amp but I assume today having built in streaming qualifies, especially with the ability to stream radio from all over the world. I'm totally with you on the added flexibility of the receiver/speaker combo vs wireless speaker systems, especially when that "wireless" still involves running power cables to each speaker. Keep the 2-channel stuff coming LOL!
Thank you for supporting the channel.
It does also have a tuner built in.
It has an FM and AM tuner.
The only thing I can say is that all the industry needs to take a very close look at what Marantz is doing. They’re listening, and they also are delivering. Two things most brands fail at one or the other or even both (looking at you Rotel). Bravo Marantz. And I probably would still go with Stereo 70 vs Cinema70, but that’s just me. It feels like a damn good and versatile product. Great video and conversation as usual!
Hope everyone is having a lovely Sunday and happy Veterans Day, thank you to all those who served and serve still.
Great review! I have the exact combination of a Marantz 70s and Lumina 2s for my bedroom setup. I have it connected to my Ps5 going into my LG C2. For my sub, I have the Rel tzero connected. All I can say is wow!
This is the quintessential setup for parents who want to enjoy a good movie, play a game, or listen to music in their room after their kids go to bed. In my main room I have a Marantz 7015 with B&Ws and a 15 inch Rythmik sub. You can guess how many times I've been able to use that system since my toddler and infant came into my life. I love it but we can never use it to it's full potential.
Having this Marantz 70s has given me an opportunity to enjoy my music like I once did. The lumina 2s are a perfect pairing and even my wife has now become an audiophile because of how fun it is to listen to music again.
However!! I will say I took a serious pause before purchasing the Marantz 70s since the day before Amazon had the Cinema 70 for $999, a dollar cheaper than the stereo 70. Luckily I waited a day and the price went back to normal the next day making my decision easier. But with both units being the same price, it really gave me pause considering I wanted the cinema room correction. It really is a miss that the stereo 70 doesn't have basic correction.
I'm sure Amazon will discount the cinema 70 again for the holidays so be aware. For me and my use, I don't want the surround so stereo 70 was the right choice.
One last thing, Kristi is correct in that people will compare this to a soundbar. I considered this against the Samsung 900 series and while I appreciate the flexibility of the soundbar, you just can't compare the sound quality of the Marantz. I chose the Marantz for two reasons: hdmi connectivity (I find arc troublesome and didn't want to deal with it if I choose a soundbar) and the ability to choose better sounding speakers.
Thanks again for your recommendations. You guys steered me to the lumina 2s and I'm grateful! Amazing speakers!
I cannot say enough good things about the Stereo 70/Lumina II setup! Glad I'm not alone. Thanks for watching and for sharing your firsthand experience!
If you have more than one thing to plug into active speakers, then I'd easily go the marantz way. I also like that they went 2 channel for us that prefer that over multiple speakers (been there and went back to 2 channel).
Also great review, thanks for testing a bit more "odd" products (odd as in a 2ch receiver)! :)
Hi Andrew. You should do a video on your home. Your audio room looks pretty nice and I would like to see how you decorated the house to get some ideas.
Thanks for the review!
It's coming...
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Does the Stereo70, when streaming a film in 5.1, automatically downmix to two channel when used in a 2.1 setup via the HDMI connection (or does the TV’s digital output have to be switched to 2 channel pcm)?
If a service such as Netflix allows you to switch from surround to 2 channel, I’ve noticed the sound is better than when the TV performs the downmix.
This seems to be a very fun piece of equipment. Still so happy with my 40N, thanks to you!🥰
It's like a baby 40n. The 40n is still the king when you want connectivity AND a more hi-fi or audiophile-grade sound.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews so glad you mentioned the 40N in your review! Since I bought the 40N for listening only in the living room, I am so glad you mentioned the Cinema 70 at the end of your review. I think that is would I would have gravitated to if it were to go into my HT space. It just gives more options! Thanks again for your always thoughtful reviews and especially the conversations with Kristi!!❤️🥰❤️
Between this marantz and denon 900h which you think is better for a 2.1 channel for music? Thanks
Yeah back to the two-channel stuff! Another pleasant Sunday morning Andrew and Kristi.
What made the NR1200 amazing is that you get a music stereo amplifier that works with HDMI ARC and has bass and treble controls. Every other brand misses the point. I don't want 10 speakers in my house and I don't want two amps (one for my TV and one for my record player). Not to mention having to go inside a menu to change the bass or treble. I mean how hard is it to put ARC and two knobs on a stereo amp?
Updated NR1200 with a stiffer price tag. I could be very happy with this as a preamp. I do wish it had a high pass filter.
Thank you for this review I got my Marantz 4 days ago and love it. It is such a nice-sounding warm amp and works well with my monitor audio bronze speakers. I am hearing things in my music that I haven't heard before. The only downside is that Heos app. This is why I just stick to my Eversolo DMP-A6 but everything else was very easy to set up.
Love the review as always. Two differentiators are that the stereo 70s employs HDAM’s where the cinema 70 does not. Also if having 2 pairs of stereo speakers and
A/B-ing them is important, again the stereo 70s will allow this while the cinema70 will not
Is the Stereo 70s using the same internals as the Denon DRA-900H? Specs seem the same. Would also be interested in how the Stereo 70s compares with the Bluesound POWERNODE.
Seems like a fantastic upgrade to my NR1200 if i decide to upgrade it
Andrew, you need to tell these OEMs to put room correction in 2 channel products, even if it's just Audessey. That's why I would go with the Cinema 70s over the Stereo 70s. Even the most basic room correction will set your sub distance for you, including DSP delay. Also with the Audessey app you can limit the correction to 500 hz if you choose. IMO, room correction is the number 1 reason to go with an AVR over a 2 channel integrated.
The Anthem STR integrated amp has room correction, but it costs $5,000. I own one, and it's great. Sounds wonderful with my Polk L600s.
NAD has it, Lyngdorf has it, but 3X this price!
I know that there are solutions that have it. But if a $1000 surround receiver can have it so should more $1000 2 channel gear.
Kristy said what was in my head the entire video, what would be the benefit over the cinema 70. Outside of power. If it was half the price or significantly less in cost, It would make more sense. Originally, I wanted this, because I was going with a 2-channel system in my living room using a NR1200 but because of the way living room is set up, the phantom center doesn’t work well. (Plus, my tower speaker sits in the Christmas tree spot) so I bought a passive soundbar speaker that’s under my tv. With the cinema 70 I can do 3.1 setup, and have everything that the stereo 70 has, put other options should I choose to go another route. I did consider the stereo 70 in my 2-channel room where I have my PS5 and Series X connected to my tv. I mostly listen to music but my McIntosh doesn’t have hdmi arc, but it does have HT bypass so the ST-70 could work there. In the end, bought a node with hdmi arc. The node has arc volume control via coaxial outs and cost less.
As for the cinema 70 disrupting the powered speaker market. I’m not sure the size of the market. I know people with soundbars but no one with powered speakers. However, it’s not I know a lot of people. In any case, I always thought passive soundbars with receivers similar to the St-70 would be the dominant market due to flexibility with connections and central wiring. But I also thought the that Samsung tv’s one connect box would transition to all TV’s. Clearly, I know nothing about market design.
I think Anthem is coming out with a home theater A/C that’s small and thin enough to hide behind a tv or cabinet. It’s only 5.1 but sounds interesting
After using a Marantz AV receiver Audyssey with room correction I can’t imagine going back to one without it, even in a two channel setup.
The Stereo 70 might have lots of features and benefit from Denon-like interface but without room correction I doubt it’s worth the savings compared to the Cinema 70 or other Marantz “AV” receivers.
Thanks for making sure that the fact that it doesn’t include room correction clear, but I think that it really needs more attention.
I bought the Marantz Stereo 70s and haven’t missed Audyssey. Love I can now pair my Marantz SR8015 and Stereo 70s via HEOS for wireless connection between both devices.
I love Kristi, but I definitely agree with you, Andrew. The Stereo 70 is going to be a problem even with speakers that might be hard to drive , as I'm not sure Kristi is giving much thought about how valuable people craving power appreciate active preouts. Add to that the HDMI inputs, and I feel that the only thing Marantz could have and still SHOULD do is make the Stereo 70 and Cinema70, a dual mono, fully discrete, fully balanced design. At which point you'd have a "Hometheater-phile" product, which I feel would leave a lot of companies scrambling and pulling their proverbial hair out. Then you could offer them some KEEPS products. 😅
great review!!!!!
Walked the DC audio fest Friday......listened to room after room of $$$$$$ systems.........came home......plugged in a vintage Onkyo a 7070 (thanks JUST AUDIO) to a pair of ELAC bookshelf speakers.....proved it doesn't take much create a satisfying system.
the ELAC connex were set up in there room....filled the room quite nicely......they were leading with that set up......going on sale today 399.00 a pair
Caladens were interesting
Good discussion on the STEREO 70 vs CINEMA 70. I think one of the reasons people would buy a stereo over an multi-channel AVR is a mindset for some that they like the idea of a simpler front speakers without the mess of side or rear speakers. I'm one of those people. My upstairs living room is a 3.0 setup and for a long time I felt using my 5.1.2 AVR for this purpose were wasted channels. Then I remembered I could Bi-Amp and actually noticed a slight improvement coming from my speakers. In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't go stereo only and agree with Andrew you do need to consider whether you want more options or not in your setup when deciding between the STEREO 70 and the CINEMA 70.
Awesome. Love marantz. Late to the party. Had to get the trout seasoned and the grill started! Happy Sunday!!!
Better late than never, plus seasoning the trout is likely more important.
Yeah mom was comin over. Had to be perfect
Gonna make a second cup of coffee and enjoy another Sunday of watching one of your reviews ☕️
YAY! Thanks!
Earlier this year I bought the KEF R3 initially for a stereo system connected to my TV, so I was looking into a stereo receiver with HDMI inputs, for which there are limited options out there. I saw some older models from Denon (DRA-800H) and Marantz (NR1200) and was not convinced until this new Marantz line came out. I jumped into the Cinema 70s because of the slim form factor and the advantage of having pre outs in case I needed more power. But then there was a discount on the Cinema 60, for just around 100 Eur more than the 70s.
And that was it, I started my system with the R3 and the Cinema 60. Few weeks later I felt I was lacking on the movie/TV dialogues, no matter how great the "phantom" center produced by the R3 is and no matter how enhanced I was setting the dialogue option on the Marantz. Then I decided to get one of the last R2C center units while they were on sale.
Then, my point is that what I initially considered turned out to be away from what I ended up getting. Happily I decided to get the Cinema 60 instead, so I have more flexibility. This Stereo 70s is a nice option with probably no competitors out there, but, be mindful of your future needs.
Did you enjoy the C70? In Europe they’re lowered a lot in price. Initially $1,000, now $750.
@@musiclassica I did not test the Cinema 70, went directly to the 60. And I am enjoying it.
I am having some difficulties with the HDMi settings though. I don't usually turn on the Marantz, so I want it to be manually turned on by myself... It is connected to my Oppo BluRay player, a Google Chromecast and the Cable TV Box, all signaling to my LG Oled TV.
The Chromecast, when turned on it also turns on the Marantz which I don't want. I had some settings working before but recently I changed things and messed with it. Now I don't know the proper settings combination.
In the near future I will probably buy a small Sub, something like the SVS 3000 Micro, but first I want to do some room treatment. I want to put some vertical wood panels on the wall just like those on Andrew's room.
Other than that, happy with the 60.
What's the difference between this and the NR1200?
Andrew, Love your video's! i'm in the market for a Cinema 70 or Stereo 70. I was wondering, what produces the best dound quality for music? Like.. initially i'm more interested in the Stereo, but maybe in the future a 5.1 setup will be there again, and yes, still open for the aditional amp. But what would be best for stereo music now? or would you think there is not much of a difference. Currently have BW707S2 speakers.
At last it is a question of getting it and how it fits with your other Stereo Setup. The Marantz is not my Amp ,cause i prefer Aluminium at the Front. My Dealer had a Denon dra900h .....the brother of the 70s. What should i say......it is my best Deal for Years. Even my Speakers, Vintage Canton Karat 60 and Monitor Audio 200 apear more round and smooth in Sound. And.. the dra900h is stronger, 100Watt at 8 Ohm per Chanel !
Of course we HAVE to totally agree with Kristi.
In all seriousness, I don't feel that the majority of consumers walk into the store knowing the nuanced implications of going either of these routes down the road. They're often subject to trends and salesmanship (aka profit margins).
Each setup will work well if you know what is important to you and choose wisely.
Same reason why some people enjoy their integrateds while others their separates. Each to his/her own in the pursuit of the desired sound.
Still looking to upgrade my preamp for the upstairs stereo. I love exploring options. What i have works fine and sounds fine. Cant wait to figure this out
I feel like the Stereo 70s is more or less the new version of the Marantz NR1200. I've watched your review of the NR1200 and you didn't seem too thrilled about it. I wish you had brought it up in this video review to highlight the differences between the two. While I've no doubt the Stereo 70 is probably much better, the NR1200 is currently $399 on closeout everywhere so I picked one up for a modest bedroom setup I'm building with some Klipsch RP600m's. I'm not expecting to be blown away by any means but curious how this would have compared should I have chosen to save my pennies and gone with the Stereo 70. Great review as always guys and props to Christy for getting additional info to compare the Stereo 70s to the Model 40n :)
Thanks for this comment. I came here hoping to see just that comparison so you have saved me 20 minutes. I actually thought he quite liked the NR 1200, in fact I went out and bought one not long after. I am very satisfied, it is in fact a PM6006 pure audio amp with a video board piggybacked on to it and NOT a multimedia receiver amp being pressed into audio service. Therefore it is properly musical and the onboard DAC is excellent although I would say the MM phono pre-amp is not. On paper the Stereo 70 appears to offer no change. Where the 70 is different seems to be in the updated video/HDMI board (now offering 8K etc). The NR 1200 was listed at $690 at the time but often available for $590 which is what I paid. The Stereo 70 at $1000 is therefore not a compelling upgrade.
Edit: Just want to add that although I haven't heard them together I think the RP600m should be an excellent choice. If you are familiar with the term "British sound" I find Klipsch have a very American sound. Its rich and deep but thanks to the horns quite forward and lively. They should liven up the slightly relaxed sounding Marantz.
Awesome review! I'm a two channel guy, so this unit is on my list as i don't have hard to drive soeakers (wharfedale diamond 11.2). Is this better than the previous model NR1200 which is going for $450 ish right now with same power rating?
Rotel has released the new RAS-5000. A streaming integrated amplifier and HDMI with e-ARC function. I can't wait to see your video guys 🙂
Thanks for another fun and fact filled video ! I have a soft spot for Marantz from back in the 70s when I had a 2365. I believe and I loved it! I haven’t had a Marantz in years and several years ago’s got back into the home theater as I decided on a Marantz 5.2 ,integrated now just 2channel amp , and while waiting for a new unison Unicor 90 I put this Marantz PM5005 @ 40 watts rms x2 integrated was in my system. And oh my ! It’s a solid sound of Marantz so even a smaller cheaper is amplifier It still sounds good no matter what is situation in my humble opinion
Great review! Bought this receiver with Foundation F2. HDMI connectivity is what I needed with stereo setup. Sounds great!
Great review and thank you so much for giving true impression on new marantz products!
I'm on the fence between stereo 70 and cinema 70. All the features difference is completely clear. I'm still missing your thoughts how do they differ sonically in 2.0/2.1 setup, especially taking into account marantz claims using Hyper Dynamic Amplifier Modules in Stereo 70.
Andrew and Kristy thank you so much for your reviews. I have an old Denon 3802 RSV. I love how this thing sounds with all its power. I moved it out of my Media / Music room because it has no modern video media inputs. I am considering upgrading to the Cinema 70s because of your review. My late 1980s JBL towers which I love have a sensitivity of 91 at 6 ohms 1/5/8/12 inch. After your review, I want to use the Denon 3802 as an amp (Pre IN) to drive my JBL L7 front with its 100-watt per channel on all 7 amps. I love the sound of the JBL L7s, but they tend to get a little bright. I do drive these speakers at 65-75 DB at times on an inexpensive Costco Yamaha RSV at the moment. I would move the Yamaha to my computer room with the Bose 601 Series III speakers. My musical taste is all over the place, (Big Band, Pop, Soft Rock, Jazz Fusion, R&B, and some classical). I also use Schitts DAC and a headphone amp with HiFiMan headphones. Do you think this would be a good setup (Denon 3802 and Cenima 70S together).
@16:27 😮 you guys have inside info or heard something in the grapevine, about a Formation Duo 2.0 product??
P.S: now Formation Duos are part of loads of store deals here in the UK at half the price so it’s a really really attractive choice when you see it priced around $3,000. And I still haven’t heard a power speaker that can rival it at that price range, not even LS60. You will have to move to B&O or GENELEC 8361 to hear something better.
Marantz has made excellent equipment going back to the Model 60, and later the 2270 stereo. The only surround receiver I've ever owned is the giant Marantz with 90 watts x 7 output. It's old, but my movies sound wonderful. I did move my center to an Emotiva 150 watts/channel for my giant front speakers. Sadly the future brought about a Cambridge receiver for my corner system. My main system has an Emotiva pre and Emotiva 125 watt amp. Marantz is too expensive for me now, but I never question the quality.
If you’re into vinyl, the Stereo 79S makes more sense due to its great phono pre-amp. I’m happy with my choice, I’m never going back to surround sound. Too much hassle. The bonus with the Stereo 70s is dedicated external tone controls.
Ive said it before. When my marantz home theater preamp died a month before the warranty ended, they not only sent me a new unit, but it was the newer model. (Which i couldnt really afford nowadays).
That's customer service!
It's not for me personally. But for $1000, that's one heck of a unit. And I think it would more than satisfy the majority of people. Plus it's a looker too. Good job Marantz. ✌️
I bought mine recertified from Marantz at 25% off, it was $599. Great buy. It arrived in mint, like new condition. Works wonderful. Love it.
Great video! Does anybody know if there is a sound difference between the stereo and cinema version of this amplifier apart from the power rating?
I have the Marantz Stereo 70s. The only differences I found are no HDAM modules on the Cinema 70s, the rear ports do not appear to be gold plated, and the power.
The question remains, do the HDAM modules make the Marantz Stereo 70s sound better?
I purchased my Marantz Stereo 70s refurbished for $599. The Cinema 70s is selling for $674 with the current 25% discount.
I chose the Marantz Stereo 70s as I intend to use it as a stereo receiver, with no plans to add more speakers.
Looks to be the ideal av receiver to replace my soundbar, I was set on getting the marantz nr1200 but this new receiver from them defo looks to be the one I’m gonna go for.
The receiver will be powering a pair of Klipsch RP500m ii’s and I may also get a subwoofer further down the line.
Is there much difference between the nr1200 and the Stereo 70 when it comes to sound quality.
Andrew and Kristi, thanks for being part of my daily digital lifestyle! This was a fun review. I used to be big on home theater, but my tastes have changed to being more of a two channel guy. And, I'm not sure I'm ready for soundbars, etc. So I am leaning towards Andrew's theory. Sorry Kristi 😄. However, I feel that Andrew's theory rest solely on how Marantz positions and messages this product in the market - and - what other manufacturers might do to follow them. Sorry for the caveat Andrew 😅.
🤩Thanks for joining us, DaWayne!
This is a fantastic product. Had it for a few months. This is more of a killer to AV receivers than it is to powered speakers. Truly has EVERYTHING the good AV receivers has minus the surround amplification. More and more people are not investing in 5 to 11 speakers. This is the product that is long over do. I bought an outboard amp because my towers needed more power but if you have no interest in surround sound and are going to drive book shelves then stereo 70 is obvious choice. Cinema 70 power too low. It will work with movies at 50 watts but for music not enough unless you have really easy to drive speakers. Great review andrew! I was waiting to hear your opinion on this. Thx!
Glad you enjoyed it and I thank you for sharing your personal experience with the product as well!
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Powered speakers have their merits, i really like my dynaudio LYDs for example, the power amp is perfectly matched and they sound incredible.
They have their place, like on a computer desk. The shortcomings are always in connectivity, and cable management. For example I cant connect a hdmi source to my powered speakers, and you cant really put an XLR cable or C13 style power cable through most speaker stands. When you take the connectivity issues and then consider that many powered speakers still need some sort of preamp for volume control, something like the cambridge axr100, the 6000a or this marantz start to make alot more sense, because you get more choices in speakers, its easier to upgrade in time, and you're taking up the same footprint compared to powered + Pre.
Im using a Rotel A11 with a pair of q acoustics bookshelves and a fluance turntable as a small listening area in my house where the wife and i enjoy some vinyl, this is where something like the stereo 70 shines, its aesthetically pleasing, easy to use, has a remote control, etc. Im interested in trying an audiolab, the AXR100 and this new marantz in the future.
Hi, would you say the Cinema 70s on its own is enough to power the Dali Opticon 2 MK2 as part of a 5.1 setup (rest of the speakers are AudioPro Soniq, so no problem there)?
I was in the market for a Bluesound Powernode when I saw that marantz was going to offer this to the market for the same price. The benefit to me would be the extra connectivity.
In your opinion, would you still go with the Stereo 70 with a sub woofer or the powernode with a sub woofer?
I just got this unit when I couldn’t get the 1200NR. It sounds very good. I only play vinyl and HEOS through it. It’s connected to 2 x 10” Klipsch subs and two Klipsch Ref II tower speakers. I also connected a cheap 13” TV so I could see album art when streaming and for easier setup. I do find I have to turn the volume up higher (around 65) compared to my 150W Sony to get the same volume levels. But, the sound quality is so much better I don’t mind. Maybe I’ll look at that Emotiva amp. Cheers
Always fun every Sunday. Thanks.
Glad you enjoy it!
Happy to see Marantz building full sized components still. Nice piece. Fair price on this.
Had this been around about three years ago, I may have chosen this over the Cambridge Audio CX81. My setup was a 5.1 theatre place and I gave up HDMI connectivity. This would have allowed me to keep that. Now I use the toslink cable connection. That sometimes is not in sync. Still working on that.
I also am not a powered speakers. I think it makes the wires harder to hide and a hot mess. But that’s just me.
KEF dropped the price of the LS50W2 to $2K for the holidays, which is a clear win for anyone looking for an excellent-sounding system. Actually, if you're looking at the pair of LS50Meta (passive) for $400 more you can get an amp, streamer, and a DAC. So, I agree with Kristi, the Marantz is for a different customer.
Your comparison at the end threw me. Cinema 70 vs Stereo 70. I priced them here in Switzerland and Cinema 70s were cheaper at US$739 vs Stereo 70s US$997. I run classic (aka old) B&W805 Matrix (1994) speakers. Help? Go the Cinema 70s or a different amp altogether? Great channel.
the Stereo 70, let alone the Cinema 70, will not power your speakers no where to it's full potential. Those products are more home cinema oriented stuff. In my opinion, you'd be better of with an Audiolab 7000a. Of course, it all depends on your budget. Grüezi us Basel ;)
My speakers are Wharfdale Diamond 225 and I went for the Marantz Stereo 70s for the better 2 channel electronics.
If your B&W need more power, perhaps you can look at the newer Marantz M1, its rated at 100 watts vs 75 for the Marantz Stereo 70s.
The M1 is getting great reviews.
So I can say after buying our home and then realizing I was going to be compromised when it came to the space for our bedroom. This is probably what I'm going with to run a great stereo/home theater system. Having 8k upscaling and a good power output I'm excited to build my system around this unit.
Thanks!
Thank you!
The amplifier section of this is nothing like the PM6007, PM8006, PM40n, PM7000n, it is weaker. Just take a look inside, see the difference. The stamped heat sinks are a great clue.
Could you tell me more I’m cross shopping this or the pm7000n are you saying the 7000 is the far better choice?
PUrchased this tonight from Amazon. Thanks for the review. It gets delivered on Saturday.
Hope you enjoy it!
Great review and thank you for the honesty with respect to bass. In my experience most lower priced amps and most avrs struggle with bass in 2 channel music. Boomy and loose.
I have a marantz model 30. That bad boy sounds phenomenal!Hopefully in the next version of it it'll have hdmi and bass management (crossovers). That would make it one of the best in the market.
1000 is a bit much. Id spend the extra 300$ and get an onkyo rz50. Then you get dirac live as well. Dirac license itself is $300 so technically rz50 and this marantz is the same price.
Onkyo you get 7.X.4 capability, over 100 watts of power, excellent stereo sound. Even if you only use 2 speakers , i think onkyo is still better
Hi guys, i just got the stereo 70s because of all the inputs it has. It replaces my harman kardon 3480 which sounded great in combination with mordaunt short 904i. Now the new marantz is slightly better in the mid-range, the bass is way worse. It ends up sounding clean but with less dept and sound stage then the old hk3480. Would adding a subwoofer help in this regard? Or should I use it as a pre-amp and connect it to my hk3480? What would you suggest?
I have a pair of Dynaudio Evoke 20's would they be a good match with the Marantz and have enough power?
I see this Marantz as a product for a long term small apartment dweller where a jack of all trades receiver makes sense. Which is the definition of a niche market. But I think I side with Kristi on the premise. The lifestyle images of a clutter - less powered speaker setup is what helps the powered speaker sell. A traditional receiver form factor even if this Marantz breaks the mold with a gamut of connections does not inspire a more modern, clutter less lifestyle. Marantz would need to bombard the advertising channels with images that say otherwise in order for the Stereo 70s to torpedo the powered speaker market. Your review certainly opens up some eyes though and I greatly appreciate it. Enjoy your Sunday!
Most people aren't mounting their TV in an apartment though, so plugging direct into a TV is more acceptable there.
@@lukemcdopoint well taken
Bought the Marantz NR1609 back then for around $500, the pre-out as main selling point for an easy/cheap stereo/surround setup, have only surround speakers and subwoofer connected to it, in my small room very nice surround effects, was really pleasantly surprised with Netflix in Dolby Digital+, all series/movies are so much more involving. Would probably buy this one, once i upgrade my television for 120Hz version.
No room correction?
Another missed opportunity, since most signals that it amplifies (if not all) all already in the digital domain.
Still stuck in the last century, except for the HDMI input. 😉
any thoughts on Stereo70 c/a CA Evo 150 (paired with SF Lumina II)? I know, different price category, but I think they both aim at the same market (stereo, streaming oriented, TV connected, one box solutions). Can not decide between marantz 40n - yamaha nr1000 - marantz stereo 70s - CA Evo 150 and it drives me crazy :-)
I’ve been experimenting with a Kef LS60, paired with a Marantz Cinema 70 (for surrounds while watching movies or gaming). They work really well together.
Andrew, you reviewed the NR1200 a few years ago. How would you compare it to the Stereo 70s?
Do you think the benefits of better sound quality from a good stereo system, outweighs the surround sound benefits of say the Ambeo, HT-A9 or Q990C? Basically, which would you say is more important (at least in your opinion): sound quality or surround sound?
It all depends on what you're going for. Can a stereo system make for a good movie-going one? Yes, but it will never fully surround you nor maybe captivate you the way a surround sound system can when playing back a proper (or good) surround mix. I look at it this way, a good/great home theater setup can also be a good stereo system, whereas a stereo setup can never really be a home theater.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thanks for answering. In terms of sound quality, how much would you really say I am missing out on, with my Q990B (or similar kind of system)?
Do I need to feel like I am not really listening to ‘good’ sound or listening to the music ‘incorrectly’?
Is there any sonic difference between cinema70 and stereo70 in stereo? In Europe Cinema70 costs 680€ and Steeeo costs 1000€. Marantz "marketing" says that there are better components in Stereo unit.
18:33 WHAT'S THE SMARTER BUY? STEREO 70 vs CINEMA 70
I wish manufacturers would offer 3.1 or 3.2 receivers. Onkyo used to make one model like that but ended the line rather quickly. With a slimmer form factor similar to stereo amps but a better replacement than a sound bar.
Guess you can look at the Cinema 70s and use it as a 3.1 system. I thought about it, but at the end, I mostly use it for music listening, so I went for the better stereo electronics.
Yall have been a pivotal part of my hifi journey. I am about to purchase a set of L100 classic, L52 for rear surround, the stereo 70s av receiver and was wondering if i could use this to adequately power the system until i can afford to add the marantz mm7055? Any advice on vintage lookin center channel to compliment this setup? Thanks soo much for all you do
You would need to get the Cinema 70 (not the Stereo 70 reviewed here) to do home theater with the L100s. I would add or budget for an Emotiva BasX A2 bit.ly/3uRu9o1 for the L100s.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you sir, i really appreciate the response. I had been looking at the emotiva basx. Wew… gonna be a costly endeavor
Do you think B&W 603s would be okay with the cinema or stereo?
Hi Andrew, you mentioned that you feel like Marantz stereo 70 is missing control in bass, but how about when connected to subwoofer using bass management? You mentioned that you tested it with the Klipsch subwoofer but we did not get any info about the sound difference with it.
Thanks for the review.
If you output the bass to a sub then that changes things, but it also defeats the purpose of buying a speaker like the R700 which only needs the bottom most octave augmented.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews exactly my point, I would pair it with good bookshelf speakers and sub and than 75 watts would be enough for any case anyhow.
The main reason to buy active speaker for me is the clutter. Secondly the amp-speaker matching which might be a nightmare by buying separates. So i'm with Kristi, the active speaker market doesn't afraid of this product.
Fair enough. Appreciate you watching!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews keep up the good work!
If i was on a budget i'd look at the Marantz NR1510 at $400 less. That said, if not on a budget and focusing on 2 channel performance, love the Luxman L-550AXII with meters. 😉
Thank you for this review. I have been really excited for it. I think I will go with the cinema 70s for all the reasons you mentioned. I was leaning that way already but was waiting to hear it from someone other than myself. Again thanks
is this a avr reduced to 2 channels or a stereo integrated amplifier with hdmi?
how does it compare in 2 channel music stereo performance vs c50/c40....?
Thanks for the review. The Audiolab 7000a is the same price here, actually a little bit cheaper. 6000a play is quite a lot cheaper than both
Considering this and if there is no real need for the HDMI switching would you say the 7000a is the way to go? On the other we do have HEOS devices around the house.
If you don't need the HDMI connectivity the 7000A is superior sonically and drives more difficult speakers with a bit more confidence --including those rated to 4 Ohms.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews tnx for the input! Hopefully it gives some headroom when changing the speakers. Running the Wharfedale Evo 4.2s now.
I'm thinking of combining Marantz Stereo 70s with Q Acoustics 3050i. What do you think?
I have not tried that pairing, but I think you'll be okay.
hi
i will soon have the eversolo dmp-a6 which i connect to my denon avr-x4500h in combination with the polk xt60 in stereo mode full band is it useful to buy the marantz Stereo 70S for even purer sound or does the eversolo still transmit its own sound to the speakers by means of an rca cable
Really enjoyed the video. But I have older the older Sony SS-F7000 speakers. Will this product work well with those or is there a better receiver recommendation. Thanks.
Great review! First I’ve seen on the Stereo 70S. You stated you preferred the sound of the Yamaha 1000A, any thoughts on sound comparison to the 800A? Closer in price to the 70s.
Another great review guys, where you mentioned the stereo 70 needing a little more power when paired with power hungry speakers like the R700’s, is that the same with the comparison amps like the audiolab 7000?
Another side question, what are the chances of technics doing a SUG1000 MK3 with the HDMI that should have been in the MK2
Sir and madam, i regularly watch your videos. I like yamaha sound for sparkling female vocals, please guide which one should i prefer yamaha RN 800 or marantz stereo 70s, my preference is clear sound with lovely female vocal and bright treble. I m not a bass head. Thank you.
What makes the Stereo 70 sound better than the NR1200? The HDAM modules? Just curious. Thanks.
Not sure as I no longer have an NR1200 in house to compare the 70 to, sorry.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Thank you for replying. Enjoy your Sunday!
No idea how they compare sound-wise, but by buying the Stereo 70s you get 8K capabilities and I think additional music streaming service options.
Really great vidéo thank you ! What do you think about this one with the audio monitor 100 bronze ?
Love your channel and its content. I’m purchasing KEF ls60s at their recent lowered cost. At 5 grand do you think you could even come close to matching the performance with separate components?
The LS60 are in a class all their own and are GREAT speakers!
I recently bought the LS60. I moved from it from a R3 Meta, Marantz 40n and KC62 Sub, this system cost more than the LS60 (without the sale) but the LS60 sounds so much better, and overall takes up much less space. I would say you cannot build a comparable system for the price, unless you go preowned.
Why in the world didn't Marantz make the silver version of this available in North America...?
I’ve enjoyed my aging Marantz NR1506 and mostly listen to music with it via Apple TV with Apple Music lossless. I run it in a 3.1 config with small Definitive Technology ProMonitor 1000’s and a ProSub 800. The stereo 70 seems like a logical upgrade! I would stick with Marantz or possibly switch to Technics. Great review as always!
Glad your older Marantz is serving you well! Thanks for watching!
good video Andrew do you think this amp pair well with elac debut reference speakers? thanks
This unit have enough power to drive Dali Zensor 7? Do you think the sound will be great?
Thnx for you review
Thank you! Another great review. Sound wise, will this product compete, the same priced AVRs like Pioneer LX305 in a 2.1 system?
Does the Stereo 70 have any sort of real EQ? or just basic bass/treble adjustment?
I've had the whole home theater thing for years. I've went back to less boxes and going for just stereo. The flexibility in a stereo receiver or a pre amp negates the power speaker option, for me anyway.
Interesting product, tons of connectivity, great looks and doesn't break the bank, one question, sound wise, how does it compare to the Audiolab 6000A? They are similarly priced. I bought one based on many positive reviews but ended up returning it because I wasn't crazy about the sound. As far as powered speakers, it's a no contest since the only one I use are for my desk top which I never use for music or movies with the exception of Italian movies from Italy which cannot be played on anything else.
Excellent review!
I think many of us that buy powered speakers and studio monitors use them in a desktop setting and therefore if we were to use passives, we'd look for a desktop amp like the BlueSound PowerNode or MiniDSP SHD Power. I wish Marantz could create a desktop 2 channel integrated with Audyssey. Even the Stereo 70 is too large for desktop use.
Also, do the power requirements for integrated amps and receivers matter that much when we cross over to a sub at 80Hz? I'm guessing speakers then become dramatically easier to drive, right?
Yes ss! I've been waiting for this review ! I'm thinking about purchasing this to replace my old yamaha receiver.