Rubberized carbon fiber... or fibre for you lads... is basically the status quo for hockey sticks. Playing with a wood stick is like playing with hickory clubs.
It makes so much sense though. I have no idea why we add so much unecessary points of failure to putts. The farther your hands are from the putter's face, the more small changes will affect the result. But using it split handed with your hand close to the putter head will give you more control over the speed and direction, while also rotating your body so you are facing the target as well.
Paul Runyan, a player from the 1930s, recommended the split grip when chipping and on short putts. He was a short hitter but beat a lot of longer pros with his fantastic short game, earning him the nickname "Little Poison". I think a lot of how amateurs and professionals play is the result of tradition, traditional instruction, and mimicking what they see other players doing. There is a bit of a herd mentality to golf technique. In some ways this is good because we see what the best players do and try to take similar approaches to achieve success, but it might also leave opportunities for better performance untried. Traditional instruction seems to largely be a "teach the teacher" or apprenticeship style industry where junior teachers learn what to teach and how to teach from more senior instructors, many of them influenced by or adherent to a particular method or lineage of instruction. More non-traditional techniques that have not established themselves within that system are not widely taught. Plus, if you do learn something non-traditional, and you later have problems with it, who will you go to for help? Your options are rather limited. Equipment availability is also an issue. Some will argue "if it was better the pros would do it" but that ignores the fact pros have years and years of experience and comfort with their current technique, and making a radical change could put their earnings (livelihood) at risk. It might be better for them to just work on fixing the current technique than create doubt attempting to master a new one. These are probably the same reasons you don't see side-saddle putting gaining much traction despite its advantages. Rick, have you considered trying a side-saddle putter?
Bryson used a side saddle putter for a bit. He's the only pro who publicly tries "alternative" ways of golfing, although I'm sure others do and we just don't hear about it.
I'll join the rest of the Canadians in the comment section for this one. I would think the intended grip would be left hand at the top and the right hand about half way down the shaft. or a touch higher if you are taller. No reason that style shouldn't work. By the way you have pro hockey over there with the EIHL. 😉
I really enjoy your videos because of the honesty and the videoing the first time you use something versus others that probably test things out first before they video. This provides a unique perspective and I really appreciate your videos Rick!
It definitely is tricky to just pickup but if rick gave it a couple weeks it is pretty easy to adjust. It’s the same as an armlock putter where the quicker pace makes your feel good out the window
Have been using a 17" long putter grip for some time now. Really like split handed putting using the longer grip and the counter balance helps me with control
Interesting for sure. I want to come back to your comment about writing your name. I strongly believe that having your non dominate hand involved in the putting stroke add more problems than solutions. To my point, take a marker and sigh your name on a sheet of paper or whiteboard. Now do the same holding the marker with both hands. Which one is more precise? The same thing applies to the putter. The more you can isolate or minimize the impact of your left hand (for right handers) the more consistent the movement. When it comes to face managment, we are talking about fractions of degrees so anything interfering with that should be removed. No one throws darts, paints or performs surgical incisions with 2 hands. Why do we putt with 2? This putter highlights this dynamic and naturally isolates the non-dominate hand. Unfortunately, however, few pros in golf, other than maybe Bryson, have the confidence to seriously practice in public with these kinds of innovations, and then take them to the course. Therefore, few armatures will have the confidence to do the same. I've been putting 1 handed for years and will never go back....accept maybe to a design like this. I am going to add a lower grip to my putter to see what might happen.
I made two putters this spring for a friend and my self like that putter but I used an actual hockey stick shaft. I’ve been pushing this all summer but not much response. But I love it.
One thought, from me who has played hockey all my life, is that you have a rather "short" hockey grip and that you stand more with your body towards the goal, a bit like you shoot a pull shot. A little more open to the goal. I think the handle is more comfortable then. Would be incredibly fun to try this. However, I would have to push from the left instead of like now, right.
Been putting split grip for just over a year now with the AL 17” grip. Putting hasn’t turned into a strength yet but very few 3 putts now, like 1-2 every second round. Lag putting is far better now. Might have to try this one out.
Shortening the grip is actually really effective. Try practicing short chip from just off the green with a wedge of choice and choke way down to where the right hand is nearly off the grip. It feels like swinging kid's clubs, but at the same time it feels incredibly accurate. Obviously not great for distance, but it's not about distance with short chips and vast majority of putts. For long putts, I do have a fairly normal grip, but 5-15 feet, I start to choke up. You do look a little silly doing it. My buddies laughed at me, but it works!
It seems the closer you are to the balance point the more control you would have, which makes sense. Maybe putter manufactures could start making the balance point a lot higher, basically where your hands would normally sit. Just an idea 💡.
Ice hockey is really popular in UK. The Manchester Storm are a great team! You should get to a game with the family it's loads of fun! Me and my kids are always at sheffield watching the Steelers play!
Paul Trevillion developed the short putter/hockey style in the 1960’s! Whether it was tried before or whether the croquet/side saddle a la Sam Snead counts is a debate for another day! He had a book published (possibly more than one) articles written promoting it, his own putter marketed and even introduced Peter Alliss to it, who at the time, was struggling with his putting! Alliss though impressed refused to adopt it fearing ridicule!
The book was called 'The Perfect Putting Method' (published in 1971) and the putter ('The Trevillion 69') had a long grip with two flat sides and a plastic face insert.
@@garyglad I have a copy but I thought there was at least one more, might have been a different edition with an different cover from the 1st Edition I have!
@@carpykeith I just checked on Amazon and there is a book called 'The Art of Putting: Trevillion's Method of Perfect Putting' (2018) still available on Kindle. It does appear to be a different book, though perhaps just a rehash of the original. Also, like you, I still have a copy of the original book and I even managed to get it autographed by the author. Paul even drew a great picture alongside his signature!
@@garyglad lucky man to get it autographed! I used to live in Edinburgh and there was a famous bookshop called Thinns used by a lot of students as it had a huge second hand section! They had various sections including golf, fishing etc as well, but I found my copy, strangely, in amongst the maths books and bought it immediately for the grand sum of 25p ! I was off scratch but a shocking putter inside 6’ so was definitely looking for help!
Seen guys here in Canada using a similar putter for years. Using a basic hockey grip, the guys who use it always seemed to do well.He shoots!….he scores!! Give it a real chance with a round Rick.🇨🇦👍
I think the rectangular shape could help with alignment as the entire shaft is now in line with the putter face. Not sure about lag putting though. Rick struggled but I think he was overthinking it.
the grip placement at 6:42, I played with a guy that gripped his normal length Spider like that, we were up against him in a scramble match and he was on fire with his putter, holed everything..
Most players sticks now are exactly like that putter grip. Carbon Fiber and with a tack to them so your hands don't slide on the much slicker stick. This is compared to wood, by 2000 or so the wood stick had been relegated to the bargain bin. Carbon fibre sticks are anywhere from $109 to $400 or more Canadian. Not too different from a putter's price.
PUT IT IN THE BAG! Don't wait till the pros make it acceptable. Putting has been getting more angular every year. This feels the end game (putters need to be in the bag for at least 2 months to get its best)
As they're custom made, ask them to make you one with the grip/shaft rotated through ninety degrees for your claw grip. Ideally before the R&A fun police ban it
One thing I noticed on that last putt, He was being planted in his stomach. I assume the same rules for broomsticks would apply to this and would limit how low you can grip in without it wedging into you
The same shaft as ice hockey sticks. Made of carbon now, and not of wood. I can understand why you feel like it's flexing at impact: that's exactly what hockey sticks are designed to do to add power to wrists and slap shots.
Rick, you should read PAUL TREVLLION!S book the perfect putting stroke. Similar style like hockey but was used in the early part of the last century. Interesting book.
Fucking hell Rick we basically invented the modern form of Hockey! Shiels clearly wasn’t up early in 1988 watching Curly and the boys bring home the gold from Seoul 😂
@@Jits25 Than why is it worth it to carry 4 wedges? When I started playing, people carried a pitching wedge and a sand wedge; 35 years before that, there was no sand wedge. What works, works. I'm a good lag putter and make a reasonable % of midrange putts, but my short putting can turn bad. So, I might carry 2; but you seem to be smarter than me so you are probably right.
@@jameslaughter5183 comparing having 4 wedges to two putters ? More wedges with different lofts allows you to hits more yardages whereas having two putters means you have to forfeit a club and reducing the amount of numbers you can play there for in my opinion not worth it
Rubberized carbon fiber... or fibre for you lads... is basically the status quo for hockey sticks. Playing with a wood stick is like playing with hickory clubs.
Think in UK we have hockey on a hard-court, almost like tennis and the hockey stick is made out of wood. It’s definitely different than ice hockey
@@MuCron1960 Field hockey sticks are mostly carbon nowadays. Wooden sticks barely get used
Rick's pronunciation of WINSTCONSTIN is historical reparations for the way Americans pronounce WORCESTERSHIRE and such @3:18
I live in Winstconstin and it made me laugh hearing him butcher the state name! 😂
@@subparlefty WINSTCONSTIN FOR THE WINST
oh you mean warchestersheyre sawce?
PAY-TENT pending
Came to the comments for this😂
I’m from Canada that is a hockey stick grip they are carbon fibre and sticky…
Im from Canada too and I’m stoked Rick has some hockey knowledge and apparently he’s a natural dimer haha
I kinda want to turn one of my twigs into a putter 😂
If the manufacturer doesn't find a way to get this into the new happy gilmore movie their missing a trick!! 😂😂
It makes so much sense though. I have no idea why we add so much unecessary points of failure to putts. The farther your hands are from the putter's face, the more small changes will affect the result. But using it split handed with your hand close to the putter head will give you more control over the speed and direction, while also rotating your body so you are facing the target as well.
Paul Runyan, a player from the 1930s, recommended the split grip when chipping and on short putts. He was a short hitter but beat a lot of longer pros with his fantastic short game, earning him the nickname "Little Poison". I think a lot of how amateurs and professionals play is the result of tradition, traditional instruction, and mimicking what they see other players doing. There is a bit of a herd mentality to golf technique. In some ways this is good because we see what the best players do and try to take similar approaches to achieve success, but it might also leave opportunities for better performance untried. Traditional instruction seems to largely be a "teach the teacher" or apprenticeship style industry where junior teachers learn what to teach and how to teach from more senior instructors, many of them influenced by or adherent to a particular method or lineage of instruction. More non-traditional techniques that have not established themselves within that system are not widely taught. Plus, if you do learn something non-traditional, and you later have problems with it, who will you go to for help? Your options are rather limited. Equipment availability is also an issue. Some will argue "if it was better the pros would do it" but that ignores the fact pros have years and years of experience and comfort with their current technique, and making a radical change could put their earnings (livelihood) at risk. It might be better for them to just work on fixing the current technique than create doubt attempting to master a new one. These are probably the same reasons you don't see side-saddle putting gaining much traction despite its advantages. Rick, have you considered trying a side-saddle putter?
Makes me think of The Holy Grail (overhand) of golf. Check it out. Gets you in good positions without trying to get in good positions. Root causation.
Bryson used a side saddle putter for a bit. He's the only pro who publicly tries "alternative" ways of golfing, although I'm sure others do and we just don't hear about it.
As a hockey player watching Rick mess with a hockey stick brings me so much joy
I wish you *would* do gimmick reviews again - they were fun and I miss them!
Send this to Bryson. His analysis of this would be great😂
he"ll probably start using it.😂😂
I'll take a 90's aluminum Easton version please.
Or an 80's Gretzky's Titan!!
For the looks??
Happy Gilmore knew it a long time ago...
I'll join the rest of the Canadians in the comment section for this one. I would think the intended grip would be left hand at the top and the right hand about half way down the shaft. or a touch higher if you are taller. No reason that style shouldn't work. By the way you have pro hockey over there with the EIHL. 😉
I really enjoy your videos because of the honesty and the videoing the first time you use something versus others that probably test things out first before they video. This provides a unique perspective and I really appreciate your videos Rick!
Wooden hockey sticks are used to prop up the tomato plants and chicken coops. Modern hockey sticks are exactly the same as that putter shaft.
Ricks never been so mad that a "gimmick" club actually works for him that he self sabotages on long putts
Yeah that was frustrating to watch.
It definitely is tricky to just pickup but if rick gave it a couple weeks it is pretty easy to adjust. It’s the same as an armlock putter where the quicker pace makes your feel good out the window
i don't think he was sabatoging on purpose. new putters are hard to use
I’m a huge hockey fan and your slap shot was pretty solid!!🏒🥅⛳️
Have been using a 17" long putter grip for some time now. Really like split handed putting using the longer grip and the counter balance helps me with control
The editing on the video was so 🔥🔥🔥
Interesting for sure. I want to come back to your comment about writing your name. I strongly believe that having your non dominate hand involved in the putting stroke add more problems than solutions. To my point, take a marker and sigh your name on a sheet of paper or whiteboard. Now do the same holding the marker with both hands. Which one is more precise? The same thing applies to the putter. The more you can isolate or minimize the impact of your left hand (for right handers) the more consistent the movement. When it comes to face managment, we are talking about fractions of degrees so anything interfering with that should be removed. No one throws darts, paints or performs surgical incisions with 2 hands. Why do we putt with 2? This putter highlights this dynamic and naturally isolates the non-dominate hand. Unfortunately, however, few pros in golf, other than maybe Bryson, have the confidence to seriously practice in public with these kinds of innovations, and then take them to the course. Therefore, few armatures will have the confidence to do the same. I've been putting 1 handed for years and will never go back....accept maybe to a design like this. I am going to add a lower grip to my putter to see what might happen.
I feel like the super low grip would be good on short putts but you would want to grip higher on longer putts
I made two putters this spring for a friend and my self like that putter but I used an actual hockey stick shaft. I’ve been pushing this all summer but not much response. But I love it.
One thought, from me who has played hockey all my life, is that you have a rather "short" hockey grip and that you stand more with your body towards the goal, a bit like you shoot a pull shot. A little more open to the goal. I think the handle is more comfortable then. Would be incredibly fun to try this. However, I would have to push from the left instead of like now, right.
Been putting split grip for just over a year now with the AL 17” grip. Putting hasn’t turned into a strength yet but very few 3 putts now, like 1-2 every second round. Lag putting is far better now. Might have to try this one out.
Shortening the grip is actually really effective. Try practicing short chip from just off the green with a wedge of choice and choke way down to where the right hand is nearly off the grip. It feels like swinging kid's clubs, but at the same time it feels incredibly accurate.
Obviously not great for distance, but it's not about distance with short chips and vast majority of putts. For long putts, I do have a fairly normal grip, but 5-15 feet, I start to choke up. You do look a little silly doing it. My buddies laughed at me, but it works!
It seems the closer you are to the balance point the more control you would have, which makes sense. Maybe putter manufactures could start making the balance point a lot higher, basically where your hands would normally sit.
Just an idea 💡.
Ice hockey is really popular in UK. The Manchester Storm are a great team! You should get to a game with the family it's loads of fun! Me and my kids are always at sheffield watching the Steelers play!
hehe "great team", maybe comapred to Somalias national team. But its a horrible team compared to say any club in Swede or finland.
@@Danjon1235 not even a competition mate, because it's not really a sport here... We don't have the ice like you guys...
Paul Trevillion developed the short putter/hockey style in the 1960’s! Whether it was tried before or whether the croquet/side saddle a la Sam Snead counts is a debate for another day! He had a book published (possibly more than one) articles written promoting it, his own putter marketed and even introduced Peter Alliss to it, who at the time, was struggling with his putting! Alliss though impressed refused to adopt it fearing ridicule!
The book was called 'The Perfect Putting Method' (published in 1971) and the putter ('The Trevillion 69') had a long grip with two flat sides and a plastic face insert.
@@garyglad I have a copy but I thought there was at least one more, might have been a different edition with an different cover from the 1st Edition I have!
@@carpykeith I just checked on Amazon and there is a book called 'The Art of Putting: Trevillion's Method of Perfect Putting' (2018) still available on Kindle. It does appear to be a different book, though perhaps just a rehash of the original. Also, like you, I still have a copy of the original book and I even managed to get it autographed by the author. Paul even drew a great picture alongside his signature!
@@garyglad lucky man to get it autographed! I used to live in Edinburgh and there was a famous bookshop called Thinns used by a lot of students as it had a huge second hand section! They had various sections including golf, fishing etc as well, but I found my copy, strangely, in amongst the maths books and bought it immediately for the grand sum of 25p ! I was off scratch but a shocking putter inside 6’ so was definitely looking for help!
Seen guys here in Canada using a similar putter for years. Using a basic hockey grip, the guys who use it always seemed to do well.He shoots!….he scores!! Give it a real chance with a round Rick.🇨🇦👍
Gripping closer to the club head probably helps keep the face square
Just make a 12inch putter with a free back brace.
I actually play a split two-piece grip on a normal sized putter. I do use that hockey style grip. Way more control IMO.
I used to play roller hockey for a number of years and I am sure I can generate the power with the hockey grip/swing on long putts. I need to try this
I think the rectangular shape could help with alignment as the entire shaft is now in line with the putter face. Not sure about lag putting though. Rick struggled but I think he was overthinking it.
Great video Rick! Absolutely rolling them with that putter! Maybe a hockey cameo next!?
Thank you for the support!
Grab some hockey tape and personalize the top of the shaft with a knob! That would really give it that personalized "hockey stick" feel.
Paul Leonard a pro from Cookstown in the 70s and 80s used to putt with his right hand down at the putter head
I'm to traditional to even try it. It took me a long time just to try the two ball putter. Oh and I love hockey. Thanks Rick
I can see this with the hockey grip really catching on
the grip placement at 6:42, I played with a guy that gripped his normal length Spider like that, we were up against him in a scramble match and he was on fire with his putter, holed everything..
Most players sticks now are exactly like that putter grip. Carbon Fiber and with a tack to them so your hands don't slide on the much slicker stick. This is compared to wood, by 2000 or so the wood stick had been relegated to the bargain bin. Carbon fibre sticks are anywhere from $109 to $400 or more Canadian. Not too different from a putter's price.
Interesting had no idea as another Brit that’s really cool
Super insights
Very interesting. Practice at long range and keeping your movements correct i think it would be a benefit to the bag
Love the level up edits!
GG Editor 👏🏻
Thanks mate!
I think the true hockey grip would really encourage a forward press! Do they make any mention of Happy Gilmore on the website?
Never seen before?! That's Happy Gilmore's per putter!
PUT IT IN THE BAG! Don't wait till the pros make it acceptable. Putting has been getting more angular every year. This feels the end game (putters need to be in the bag for at least 2 months to get its best)
This putter looks very fun to use
As they're custom made, ask them to make you one with the grip/shaft rotated through ninety degrees for your claw grip. Ideally before the R&A fun police ban it
One thing I noticed on that last putt, He was being planted in his stomach. I assume the same rules for broomsticks would apply to this and would limit how low you can grip in without it wedging into you
It was touching his shirt, never planted on his stomach.
The same shaft as ice hockey sticks. Made of carbon now, and not of wood. I can understand why you feel like it's flexing at impact: that's exactly what hockey sticks are designed to do to add power to wrists and slap shots.
OG gravity grip has a similar shape to that, albeit at normal grip length.
He said wisconstin hahaha love it Rick
Chubbs would be proud of you Rick!
"Hands on the shaft". Rick having flashbacks of being a teenager again 🤣
Get rid of one of the irons you use the least frequently and replace with this. Use it for short putts and use your other for longer putts
Hockey, was in fact, invented by British soldiers playing with a rock and the butt end of their rifles on ice.
loads of people play it in the uk and its played in school as well Idk what he's on about 😅
Yes we do play ice hockey
Send this to Peter Finch, he needs some putting/feel and distance control help
Rick - you need to tape up the grip area like we do with hockey sticks... then try it
This reminds me of the Axe handle baseball bats that they came out with 😂
Happy Gilmore returns! This is his butter putter.
Like it Rick
Hockey sticks have grip as well bud and made of carbon fiber
Rick, you should read PAUL TREVLLION!S book the perfect putting stroke. Similar style like hockey but was used in the early part of the last century. Interesting book.
Fucking hell Rick we basically invented the modern form of Hockey! Shiels clearly wasn’t up early in 1988 watching Curly and the boys bring home the gold from Seoul 😂
Reminds me of the Paul Trevillion pencil grip from 50 years ago.
Mind blown with 2 footers
What a putter Rick 🏌♂️👍
I've been making these for family and friends for 20yrs
I saw this about a year ago and have always wondered what it would feel like and if it would work. The idea behind it seems interesting.
Rick onto putter number 5 for the year 😂
Where can I get one???
The hockey grip looks like the way to go just by sight. Not as exaggerated as you did it tho.
Ever tried putting with a kids’ putter? We may be stuck on 35” inch putters because we don’t want to look ridiculous.
The question is, why is Rick in Germanys Black Forest - what else can we expect video wise from this visit 🤔🤔
shaft reviews at some point would be cool
There is no rule that prevents carrying 2 putters. This seems to do very well on short puts.
There’s no rule but it’s not worth it
@@Jits25 Than why is it worth it to carry 4 wedges? When I started playing, people carried a pitching wedge and a sand wedge; 35 years before that, there was no sand wedge. What works, works. I'm a good lag putter and make a reasonable % of midrange putts, but my short putting can turn bad. So, I might carry 2; but you seem to be smarter than me so you are probably right.
@@jameslaughter5183 comparing having 4 wedges to two putters ? More wedges with different lofts allows you to hits more yardages whereas having two putters means you have to forfeit a club and reducing the amount of numbers you can play there for in my opinion not worth it
@@jameslaughter5183 just because 35 years ago they didn’t have as many wedges but now they do for a reason
@@Jits25 That is what I said. We agree.
FYI hockey is huge in UK…all versions of hockey 😂
Wonder if the wind would affect putting worse using this!
Instead of left arm.lock grip try right hand arm lock grip
Drop a wedge and get it in the bag for short putts!!!
Edit: actually, drop another wedge
and get a chipper in the bag too 😂
Reminds me of Natalie Gulbis' HAMMY Putter back in the early 2000s
as your put gets shorter your grip span get longer! That's the design of the club.
Gonna be real expensive to replace that 'grip'
I wish you would review Takoma clubs!!
Review sub70 irons John Daly uses them
Get the skates on next Rick
What shoes are you wearing?
I could definitely see Bryson using this, and then somehow making it odd and different than everyone else’s 😂
Neal Coles putter grip
Can you tests the mizuno pro 243 pls
test DEEZ NUTS.
You even tried the paul trevillion way of putting!! 😂
“Happy Gilmore accomplished that grip, no more than an hour ago”
You've never putted better 😆
Imagine a broomstick putter with this shaft.
WIS-CON-STIN love ya rick, from the land of cheese
'im from the UK we dont really play hockey here' What? we're one of the leading places in the world for it 🤣
I saw this on Martin Borgmeier's channel
Sorry Pal. Notice Pal is testing the putter at about 4 ft. so he can actually make some putts whilst Guy is recording.
Hitting the Sam putt over and over it becomes unmissable so not a great test