I was looking at that going "ok those traces are small but not impossible" then you pointed out there are two wires in each of those traces, and my jaw dropped.
You know i think you are right. I must have missed one wire. I coated it with the mask and forgot about it. Well, i can try again if customer wants to send it back if it does not work. Ill post an update here.
@@northwestrepair i came to the comments to see if someone pointed that out. i noticed you didn't bodge those. I figured maybe you just didn't show it on cam because you started going further out on each trace with the patches.
There are actually herbal medicines that can achieve this result. I remember taking one once and being at work (which was physically demanding at that time in my life) and suddenly feeling a little concerned that my heart rate was like 58.
Whether it works or not Tony you just proved to everybody once more, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you're the master of electronics repair. I still stand by my previous statements that you would make an excellent neurosurgeon.
Electro-Neurosurgeon you mean? Probably when humans by 2125 are starting to put CPU in the brains by then for superhuman calculations, his expertise will come in handy. 🤣
There already have been experiments with bone marrow and nerves connected again with super thin gold wires and low voltage impulses. Turns out, that this caused the nerves to inflame BUT promote nerve cell growth along the gold wire, bridging the gap and connecting the loose ends again. This however was not a very good connection because the impulses traveling along the nerve neurons was mostly lost at the bridged section. Maybe if the voltage impulse stimulation would have been done longer after successfull regrowth and the wire removed, the neurons would have interlinked again.
That guy had to have been using metal tools for some reason. The glue on the IHS that's left over after you delid it properly can be scrapped off with plastic spudgers with a bit of isopropyl alcohol and won't do any damage at all to the board. Even the solder on the die you can get 90% of it off with plastic, and the rest you use a cheap gallium LM to melt the indium solder.
This is what happens when content creators foster this 'anyone can build a PC' concept. There is nothing idiot proof about a PC, especially not when you start delidding CPUs, which is quite pointless for most people to begin with. The temperature differential will be 1-3C which is not enough to risk all this damage. Delidding a CPU, even when done correctly, is really only worth doing if you are doing extreme overclocking.
@neocyke theres nothing wrong with the refresh versions. And if you know how to pay attention to your system the orginal ones that had overvolting issures would fine if you just changed the volting in your settings. I know because i have one of the orginal version 14900ks models and ive ran it overclocked since it came out.
@@neocyke i feel like if you take specifically good care of everything, the way it likes it, things have an exceptionally long life. this man does repairs in the most considerate way possible, so i do really expect it will reply in kind and live happily forever :) secret sauce is basically don't overclock or overvolt your stuff lol the modest performance gains are seldom worth it in real life applications imo, and i'm quite certain does shorten the lifespan.
Soldering those jumpers reminds me of Long Screw Damage in older iPhones where people would put the longer screw into a short screw hole when reassembling an iphone after working on it. the screw would bottom out on the iPhone pcboard and cut a circular groove through multiple layers. One would then have to solder jumpers to bridge the broken traces.
I once saw that exact thing on an HP mini PC, there are mounting holes on the bottom you can use to put the PC under a desk, and someone tried to use long screws or something and hit the motherboard. Funnily enough the HP tech didn't noticed the clearly user-caused damage and replaced the board under warranty.
@@YonatanAvhar HP sell´s in quantity , they will not risk loosing the client because of 1 unit! I also worked in IT for 30 years, and happened more then once with where i worked.
This guy didn't have the right tools. You don't get gouges down to the traces unless you use a metal tool, which is the wrong way to clean the glue residue left. But even if you do it right you can still ruin the CPU by accident (scraping off one of those tiny components is the most common delidding mistake), or you get an IHS that is thick enough for a solder join, but when you delid it and scrape the die, when you use LM it's too thin and won't make contact so you have to use paste defeating the purpose of delidding.
as long as you take your time and use a plastic razor to get rid of the remaining glue once you delid its safe. use the razor at an angle and barely use any force. it took me 2 or 3 hours to get rid of all the glue on my 13700k but I was slow and patient. Another trick is when you use the delid tool from TG or der8auer when the screw is getting hard to turn thats your clue to barely use anymore force to turn it. I had to loosen the screw and start over a 2nd time and it popped off on the 2nd try.
I have to say that you are easily the best repair guy I've seen. Doing that cpu required a lot of finess and patience and not to mention a steady hand. Also you had a brilliant approach. Hats off to you sir !
I fixed a couple of PS3 CELLs with cheap equipment a few years ago, those pair of thin lines are a pain! It's not impossible. Your job though was AMAZING, that soldering is some top notch work Sr. 👌🏼
I've Delid that very same CPU with that jig from Thermal Grizzly, The only way to damage the CPU such as in this video is by using way to much force. what do I mean, removing all the extra glue takes ages, I believe it took me almost 2 hours of slowly I'm using this spatula and alcohol to remove the glue.
@@amplituhedron5582 On some models and with the right cooling-setup it can give you ~10°C better temps. And lower temperatures mean longer lifetime and lower powerconsumption.
amazing! I've been attempting to fix some small traces on a CELL CPU of a PS3 and always failed because they're too close and once I go fixing the second trace I desolder the first one again. MASKING them one at a time seems to be a perfect solution! Thank you!
@@Sectorz Having seen der8auer do it enough times I really don't understand where the eff up comes into play. I think people get impatient and are like "Yep time to shove a razorblade underneath and pry upwards."
gonna have to get a tighter microscope for stuff like this... what's funny is, all the cb radio repair men back in the day looks at your repairs as amazing.. everything back then was huge compared to now.
As someone, who did delid in the past, i highly doubt the customer "followed the instructions". I did it ages ago with i7 4770K with my 2 axe hands, i even had the CPU fall on the ground after delid from my hand accidentally and yet it suffered no damage and worked perfectly after assembly. This either looks like the customer is straight up lying about using delid tool (they possibly used a razor blade) or it fell on the ground in some spectacular way; or it happened while they were trying to remove the glue residue - again, with a razor blade or something similar. With so many people delidding their CPUs, if this was common occurence, it would´ve been largely known.
Some people are just really clumsy and really stupid. Sadly when you have both traits, you don't realize you are actually too clumsy / lack of dexterity or mental process to attempt such a maneuever.
In this case, popular online delidding tool looks like the customer used a sharp knife, proper delid tools don't do that kind of damage, they only apply heavy lateral force. We should know that 99% of these people lie about how they damaged it.
I was hoping you would do a continuity check for those traces . Just to be sure you actually did what you set out to achieve. Also can show this video as evidence of success . Awesome work anyhow . Thanks for the upload
ah, yes. buy the most expensive consumer grade cpu money can buy and then destroy it by being impatient. the customer deserved this. attempting this repair was torture. you did your best
Even if delidding perfectly goes to plan, I don't think people realise how extremely fragile the exposed silicon die is. Last year I delidded a Core 2 Quad and made it into a keychain ornament, but in less than a week the silicon started fracturing and falling off on both chiplets. It was a CPU I used after delidding so I know it was still working. As soon as it started touching other keys and things in my pocket, that silicon was immediately getting damaged. No doubt a CPU with IHS could have easily survived.
@@LabArlyn Delidding gains a lot more than 2°C. Depending on the CPU, could be anywhere between 5 to 20°C, especially with liquid metal and water cooling.
Nice educational video. 👍 By the looks of the damage, this delid attempt, was rushed. If you cannot pick up the heat sink from the PCB freely, you need to keep going until you can. The hardest part is breaking the solder layer between the heat sink and the top of the silicon. If you have tried for over an hour and still have issues. Gently heat the middle of the heat sink with an old solder iron tip (A tip you will not use for PCB soldering). Keep the solder tip moving at all times, this should help release the solder, and keep using the jig as per manual supplied. While the internet has lots of "DO IT THIS WAY HELP", just follow the manual/instructions supplied and take you time. If you are unsure at any stage, stop and ask for help. My opinion, the benefits of a delidding a CPU, are not worth the costs involved. 99.9% of computer users do not need to delid a CPU. Buy a better cooling solution. (Cooling solution = Step1) Better Heatisnk or AIO water cooler. Step 2) Better fans for your cooler, usually Static slow fans to push air through fins. Step 3) Better case that allows better air flow. Step 4) Better case fans, with improved CFM. Generally these would be air flow fans.
Always amazed with your skills and willingness to get elbow deep into repairs like this. I really don't understand WHY people do this stuff to their equipment though. Is a drop in temp by a few degrees REALLY worth it? Is it REALLY worth it to get a few extra fps? I used to have fun overclocking way back in the slot 1 days but then I stood back and realized that what I was actually getting was sooooo not worth what I was doing. I found that most of the people who were doing this were only doing it for bragging rights. Like someone who goes around strutting that they have 600+hp and their car can do 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds but then you check and they only drive in town and never go over 30 because the streets they drive on are so short. They'll justify it saying that their car CAN go that fast but they always avoid answering the question if if it ever WILL go that fast.
I understand the people that are really knowledgeable with the skills to do this simply wanting to find out how far they can push things. Problem is when it starts to enter the mainstream and people that just hear "it will improve performance" that have no clue what they're doing other than maybe watching a youtube tutorial try to do it.
This is a very cool video. Never seen anything like it. Hopefully the media picks this one up too (I've seen a few articles about you/ your channel). More views/ subs!
That repair cost is beyond the value of the chip but the effort to succeed is very impressive to say the least. Brain surgery or drain blamage either way impressive such skill is rare!
i have never liked the idea of physically stressing the cpu like that. i know lots do it but still. i did a delid on my 7950x ryzen. i used fishing line to cut the glue then a thermal camera while i heated it and the lid just fell off. after that i used sanding/lapping and polishing to clear the indium off the cpu dies and get it flat. worked great. i will say however that the CCD's have such low thermal mass that you really do need a brick of a water block to effectively soak that heat away.
@@The_Man_In_Red i read that, i have seen that, it did not work. i used liquid metal - which has gallium in it - to little to no effect. sanding was my only option
Soldered heatsinks only can be delidded with very precise tools. Especialy with the LGA1700 CPU. Because if the precission isn´t perfect, the die will get strong push and probably can loosen its contact to the PCB. I once trashed a soldered CPU by using a very no-name tool. Der8auer produces a tool, were you only can push maybe 1-2 millimeter to both sides. The shear force on the die isn´t as big in that range, my tool pushed the heatspreader only in one direction, and that probabky killed the CPU. I´m not shure, why Intel does not sell also without heatspreader, but it is probably better to buy it without, if you already want direct-die cooling or using a better heatspreader.
Because then they can state "Delid at your own risk and it voids warranty!" and when someone fucks up, they're forced to buy another one. Double the money for Intel. And who can blame them? Intel's reputation ignored for now, every business would want to minimize having to make warranty repairs of cases, where the user fucked up his hardware out of sheer stupidity. It is not worth it for them. Any CPU manufacturer will probably deny warranty for Delidding.
I've had to delid two or three AMD CPUs that were not soldered. After a while the paste would fail and they would overheat. I imagine current APUs will have to have this done or replaced with the soldered chips. On those it is not dangerous, since you can flip the sharp side of the blade to the IHS, then pull towards you as it is slided across the IHS. Just can't keep pushing I'd it offers resistance, as you might be cutting a resistor off. This brute force thing... Quite dangerous.
I'm almost positive you missed a broken trace on that CPU. Also after watching this, I'm getting everything together to delid my 14900k for direct die cooling. Wish me luck.
Apart from some enthusiasts who would delid regardless I do think that Intel carries a lot of responsibility here. The Raptor Lake / Refresh got to the point, between Intel and the board manufacturers, where almost extreme BIOS settings and power consumptions were becoming the norm and accepted. With some boards unlimited power draw and aggressive voltage settings were defaults. The thermals of the top end CPU's of the RL CPU were, at one point, pretty bad, although they are not great now. Some of that being mitigated with microcode / BIOS releases. The default settings, but I changed them, on my Gigabyte Z690 board for my 14700k were set to effectively unlimited power draw.
Someone seems to have scratched away the glue by using a razor and got too deep... Use your fingernail or creditcard or some other soft meterial... I delidded a 7700k once. I took my time and did it perfectly, it lasted half a decade with unchanging temps before I sold it.
When i reconnected leg traces on a 486DX encased in ceramic back in the day I had to use silver solder on the tip of a pin that i had to heat with a torch and every time i got 2 legs connected the heat from the third would release one or both of the other two! HAH that was HELL but I got it done and then Glued it into the socket so it could never be disturbed again.
Great videos. There was something off about the picture for this video before I clicked on it but it didn't hit me at first. Absolutely no big deal certainly, but an i9-1400k? When did they manufacture that one? lol. No time to edit or did you just miss it? I'm just playing my friend. Keep them coming!
I know overclockers who threw away CPUs with less damage than that. This is the most impressive thing I've seen you do on the channel. I'm not sure what those traces go to but I'd be curious to see if this has any notable effect on signal integrity.
Hey Tony. I love your videos and don't usually comment, but as a joke, at what point are you going to invest in one of those surgical robots they used to do "surgery" on a grape?? It seams like that's the only thing that could improve your work at this point. 😂 Keep up the awesome work.👍
I think you forgot to fix one trace. At 1:21, on the second damaged pair from the left. Later in the video you put a jumper on the second trace from the first pair but never on the 2nd pair (at least I can't see it). But this is really impressive either way!
If I ended up with situation in which I somehow had a 14 gen Intel and fucked it up, I'd definitely sell the motherboard and discard the CPU (they will inevitably degrade to the point of unusable anyway) But prop to you for saving this CPU, excellent repair
guessing it wasn't a der8auer kit, or if it was, they didn't follow instructions, or check for proper alignment.... 14th gen delid is simple with the right jig and follow the instructions... and i've seen some microsoldering wizards, but never like that...
Maybe I missed it in the video, but how is the gold plating is done? Did you apply a current? Curious to see more videos where you have done this and see if I can apply this for some DIY projects.
@@--_DJ_-- Ah, I for some reason did not understand what that purple tip was and it's purpose. Didn't pay enough attention I guess and didn't scroll back far enough. Now I got it, thanks.
6:30 It appears that only one pair of the two wires in the smaller traces is connected. Are you able to confirm whether or not these are two separate traces lines or one trace with a separation in the middle? Regardless, an insane repair. You are truly an inspiration for me and many others who enjoy this kind of work.
Nope later in the video he also repairs that trace. But there is one trace he actually didnt repair. In 1:46 left of the bulged big trace there is broken thinner trace which he forgot to repair.
For those who don’t know 285k can not be delidded without heat. Some people don’t look and realize you’re supposed to put the cpu in one way only and not all delidding tools work well.
And yet you have Jayztwocents and der8auer encouraging this mongo behavior, as well as pushing shit like liquid metal cooling, both with what are obviously teenagers in their comments sections talking about how theyre going to do it because theyll gain 2-4 degrees cooler and like a 1 percent FPS increase. This shits beyond retarded and "influencers" should have their channels taken away for encouraging this mass retardation.
Not only that, they probably also used a soldering iron to heat up the IHS loosening the solder under the IHS which would explain why there was solder on the CPU pads.
Patience lacks on many people. Specially the guy who did video tape twice his failure to follow instructions and blamed the jig LOL. It was super funny.
Edit: Just checked, EVGA never relased a BIOS update that adds 14th gen support. Therefore also never released an update that fixes 13/14th gen killing themselves. Embarrassing. 14xx should run in a LGA1700 Z690 board. These run 12th, 13th and 14th gen CPUs Perhaps you need to update the BIOS?
EVGA does have updated bios microcode for Z690 boards in v2.17 but no support for 14th gen and Z790 boards partially support 14th gen. and have microcode update. The updates are in their forums, I couldn't find them on the regular download page.
@@bkaczy not sure the microcode for voltage has already been done by EVGA. According to devs at EVGA Z690 hardware isn't compatible with 14th gen. whereas the Z790 is which is why there is partial compatibility I believe the APO isn't turned on.
Z690 dark and I'm guessing z790 dark will support some 14th gen cpus(direct 13th gen clones) but not the 14700k. According to some EVGA dark testers. Waited for official support for 14th gen on EVGA board so I could buy a cpu for it but it never came. EVGA said it was because of design of the board that they couldn't support 14th gen.
I was watching "Bits und Bolts"'s channel recently, and Alex has both incredibly stable hands, but also recently acquired a set of "SMD Tweezers" ... Soldering iron tweezers ... they looked very handy ... in the right hands! No good for me, I shake like a sh*tting dog 😀
6:20 and 6:54. There are 2 copper lines next to each other. You only connected one of them. This is clearly visible on the good lines with the solder mask scratched off on the left: Thick line, 2 thin lines, thick line, 2 thin lines.
After 7:00 he repairs those traces. But there is one trace he actually didnt repair. In 1:46 left of the bulged big trace there is one broken thinner trace which he forgot to repair.
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I was looking at that going "ok those traces are small but not impossible" then you pointed out there are two wires in each of those traces, and my jaw dropped.
You know i think you are right. I must have missed one wire.
I coated it with the mask and forgot about it.
Well, i can try again if customer wants to send it back if it does not work.
Ill post an update here.
@nhand42 Are the wires perhaps differential pairs hence them running in parallel?
@@soundspark That's what I assumed.
My thought being a YT expert.. That's really small.. but I think he can do it.. (zooms in) OMG that's 2 wires?!
@@northwestrepair i came to the comments to see if someone pointed that out. i noticed you didn't bodge those. I figured maybe you just didn't show it on cam because you started going further out on each trace with the patches.
pro tip:
stopping your own heartbeat makes microscopic trace repair quick and easy
There are actually herbal medicines that can achieve this result. I remember taking one once and being at work (which was physically demanding at that time in my life) and suddenly feeling a little concerned that my heart rate was like 58.
cant do that but at times i stop to breath exactly for that purpose.
@@northwestrepairmy friend actually did it he managed to stop his heartbeat. Damn! I will miss him.
@@Mewmew-y4m rip 😔🙏
@@northwestrepair Old sniper's trick, sometimes find myself doing it under max magnification.
Whether it works or not Tony you just proved to everybody once more, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you're the master of electronics repair.
I still stand by my previous statements that you would make an excellent neurosurgeon.
Electro-Neurosurgeon you mean? Probably when humans by 2125 are starting to put CPU in the brains by then for superhuman calculations, his expertise will come in handy. 🤣
@@shinjiheng Elon Musk himself will hire him 😁
There already have been experiments with bone marrow and nerves connected again with super thin gold wires and low voltage impulses. Turns out, that this caused the nerves to inflame BUT promote nerve cell growth along the gold wire, bridging the gap and connecting the loose ends again. This however was not a very good connection because the impulses traveling along the nerve neurons was mostly lost at the bridged section. Maybe if the voltage impulse stimulation would have been done longer after successfull regrowth and the wire removed, the neurons would have interlinked again.
Yeah that talent should cost more than that CPU, he's an honorary surgeon already.
yea, he will have musk on the phone soon asking him to brain augmentations.
I had to zoom in your zoom in.
There is an extension for that 😊
you could use the three tap accessibility feature if you have an android lol
@@Galaxic-g3rthe android YT app supports to zoom in with 2 fingers for quite a while now
😂😂
man GPU repairs is one thing but now a CPU? I wasnt expecting that!
All GPUs in the world have already been repaired by this man.
@@nRADRUS if that was true, my shelf would not be full
@@northwestrepair and you would have a mansion by now.
Failure or not, you are insanely good at this.
Also no lack of skills at all, this was beyond human body limits.
That's a genuinely impressive fuck up. Even more impressive repair skills.
I'm guessing they either didn't use de8aurer's kit, or if they didn't, didn't follow the instructions.
That guy had to have been using metal tools for some reason. The glue on the IHS that's left over after you delid it properly can be scrapped off with plastic spudgers with a bit of isopropyl alcohol and won't do any damage at all to the board. Even the solder on the die you can get 90% of it off with plastic, and the rest you use a cheap gallium LM to melt the indium solder.
This is what happens when content creators foster this 'anyone can build a PC' concept. There is nothing idiot proof about a PC, especially not when you start delidding CPUs, which is quite pointless for most people to begin with. The temperature differential will be 1-3C which is not enough to risk all this damage. Delidding a CPU, even when done correctly, is really only worth doing if you are doing extreme overclocking.
with the amount of effort and work you just put in, that cpu deserves to both work, and live forever.
Only problem with that is - it's a 14th gen.
@neocyke theres nothing wrong with the refresh versions. And if you know how to pay attention to your system the orginal ones that had overvolting issures would fine if you just changed the volting in your settings. I know because i have one of the orginal version 14900ks models and ive ran it overclocked since it came out.
@@neocyke i feel like if you take specifically good care of everything, the way it likes it, things have an exceptionally long life.
this man does repairs in the most considerate way possible, so i do really expect it will reply in kind and live happily forever :)
secret sauce is basically don't overclock or overvolt your stuff lol the modest performance gains are seldom worth it in real life applications imo, and i'm quite certain does shorten the lifespan.
Soldering those jumpers reminds me of Long Screw Damage in older iPhones where people would put the longer screw into a short screw hole when reassembling an iphone after working on it. the screw would bottom out on the iPhone pcboard and cut a circular groove through multiple layers. One would then have to solder jumpers to bridge the broken traces.
I once saw that exact thing on an HP mini PC, there are mounting holes on the bottom you can use to put the PC under a desk, and someone tried to use long screws or something and hit the motherboard. Funnily enough the HP tech didn't noticed the clearly user-caused damage and replaced the board under warranty.
@@YonatanAvhar HP sell´s in quantity , they will not risk loosing the client because of 1 unit! I also worked in IT for 30 years, and happened more then once with where i worked.
And i was thinking about delidding a new cpu im getting. Whew im glad you posted this when you did.
Buy cutting wire for phone screens. It is used to remove broken glass, you have 0.1mm or less than that.
This guy didn't have the right tools. You don't get gouges down to the traces unless you use a metal tool, which is the wrong way to clean the glue residue left. But even if you do it right you can still ruin the CPU by accident (scraping off one of those tiny components is the most common delidding mistake), or you get an IHS that is thick enough for a solder join, but when you delid it and scrape the die, when you use LM it's too thin and won't make contact so you have to use paste defeating the purpose of delidding.
Just buy a fucking delid die mate and dont be a retard like the guy that god his CPU repaired..
as long as you take your time and use a plastic razor to get rid of the remaining glue once you delid its safe. use the razor at an angle and barely use any force. it took me 2 or 3 hours to get rid of all the glue on my 13700k but I was slow and patient. Another trick is when you use the delid tool from TG or der8auer when the screw is getting hard to turn thats your clue to barely use anymore force to turn it. I had to loosen the screw and start over a 2nd time and it popped off on the 2nd try.
I have to say that you are easily the best repair guy I've seen. Doing that cpu required a lot of finess and patience and not to mention a steady hand. Also you had a brilliant approach. Hats off to you sir !
I fixed a couple of PS3 CELLs with cheap equipment a few years ago, those pair of thin lines are a pain! It's not impossible. Your job though was AMAZING, that soldering is some top notch work Sr. 👌🏼
I've Delid that very same CPU with that jig from Thermal Grizzly, The only way to damage the CPU such as in this video is by using way to much force.
what do I mean, removing all the extra glue takes ages, I believe it took me almost 2 hours of slowly I'm using this spatula and alcohol to remove the glue.
what's the point of deliding a cpu?
@@amplituhedron5582To direct die, watercool the cpu, or to replace the thermal solder with liquid metal.
Both gives significant drops to cpu temps
@@amplituhedron5582 I dropped my cpu temps by about 15 degrees from delidding and using liquid metal.
@@amplituhedron5582 better thermals to put it simply
@@amplituhedron5582 On some models and with the right cooling-setup it can give you ~10°C better temps. And lower temperatures mean longer lifetime and lower powerconsumption.
Unbelievable mate, you are doing gods work for all your clients. Love your content!
So many would've tossed this in the bin before thinking about attempting, keep rockin man.
Omg that’s tiny I appreciate your solder skills to solder something as tiny as that
amazing! I've been attempting to fix some small traces on a CELL CPU of a PS3 and always failed because they're too close and once I go fixing the second trace I desolder the first one again. MASKING them one at a time seems to be a perfect solution! Thank you!
I was just watching a video about water cooling comparisons with lidded and delidded cpu's. My first thought was "I'm not going to risk that"
Damn, how does someone F it up that badly.....Makes you wonder how they could afford one in the first place.
income is often not proportional to intelligence
@@nickbrown3723 This is true, unfortunately.
Man I used Razor blade and on XX delided number, never I broken a cap and my worst but worst "scrap" of PCB is like 5 time smaller then this one ....
@@Sectorz Having seen der8auer do it enough times I really don't understand where the eff up comes into play. I think people get impatient and are like "Yep time to shove a razorblade underneath and pry upwards."
@@The_Man_In_Red The problem is the owner of the CPU was taking advice from Reddit. 🤦♂
gonna have to get a tighter microscope for stuff like this... what's funny is, all the cb radio repair men back in the day looks at your repairs as amazing.. everything back then was huge compared to now.
Mindbogglingly small repair! Kudos!
tony you are a freaking legend, much respect!
It didn't feel that small until you zoomed back out after finishing it, only then i realized porper how tiny the spots were! Just wow!
As someone, who did delid in the past, i highly doubt the customer "followed the instructions".
I did it ages ago with i7 4770K with my 2 axe hands, i even had the CPU fall on the ground after delid from my hand accidentally and yet it suffered no damage and worked perfectly after assembly. This either looks like the customer is straight up lying about using delid tool (they possibly used a razor blade) or it fell on the ground in some spectacular way; or it happened while they were trying to remove the glue residue - again, with a razor blade or something similar.
With so many people delidding their CPUs, if this was common occurence, it would´ve been largely known.
I believe he did follow the instructions to the best of his abilities
Some people are just really clumsy and really stupid. Sadly when you have both traits, you don't realize you are actually too clumsy / lack of dexterity or mental process to attempt such a maneuever.
I have 4 delidded cpus and none have damage to the pcb....
This looks like he took a dremel to the silicone glue......
In this case, popular online delidding tool looks like the customer used a sharp knife, proper delid tools don't do that kind of damage, they only apply heavy lateral force.
We should know that 99% of these people lie about how they damaged it.
OMG, that was an amazing, AMAZING repair tentative!!
Well done!
I was hoping you would do a continuity check for those traces . Just to be sure you actually did what you set out to achieve. Also can show this video as evidence of success . Awesome work anyhow . Thanks for the upload
ah, yes. buy the most expensive consumer grade cpu money can buy and then destroy it by being impatient. the customer deserved this. attempting this repair was torture. you did your best
Even if delidding perfectly goes to plan, I don't think people realise how extremely fragile the exposed silicon die is. Last year I delidded a Core 2 Quad and made it into a keychain ornament, but in less than a week the silicon started fracturing and falling off on both chiplets. It was a CPU I used after delidding so I know it was still working. As soon as it started touching other keys and things in my pocket, that silicon was immediately getting damaged. No doubt a CPU with IHS could have easily survived.
And also greedy. It doesn't worth the risk of deliding expensive cpu for just 2°C thermal difference.
It's not ur money who cares
@@LabArlyn Delidding gains a lot more than 2°C. Depending on the CPU, could be anywhere between 5 to 20°C, especially with liquid metal and water cooling.
@@LabArlynare you retarded
I fucked it up 4790k back in the day. now working as a keychain :D
You are PRO bro! Awesome videos!
I think you are legitimately the only person on earth who knows full and well what they are doing, and would still try to repair this thing lol
You levelling up your super-tiny trace repair skills in preparation for those insanely dense 5090 boards Tony? :)
I wonder if the 5080s are just as tiny? At least it looks like you can just replace the PCIe connector in case of physical damage.
Its mezmorizing watching you work. May all Neuro surgeons have the competance of your hands. Please let us know if it worked.
Nice educational video. 👍
By the looks of the damage, this delid attempt, was rushed. If you cannot pick up the heat sink from the PCB freely, you need to keep going until you can. The hardest part is breaking the solder layer between the heat sink and the top of the silicon. If you have tried for over an hour and still have issues. Gently heat the middle of the heat sink with an old solder iron tip (A tip you will not use for PCB soldering). Keep the solder tip moving at all times, this should help release the solder, and keep using the jig as per manual supplied. While the internet has lots of "DO IT THIS WAY HELP", just follow the manual/instructions supplied and take you time. If you are unsure at any stage, stop and ask for help. My opinion, the benefits of a delidding a CPU, are not worth the costs involved. 99.9% of computer users do not need to delid a CPU. Buy a better cooling solution. (Cooling solution = Step1) Better Heatisnk or AIO water cooler. Step 2) Better fans for your cooler, usually Static slow fans to push air through fins. Step 3) Better case that allows better air flow. Step 4) Better case fans, with improved CFM. Generally these would be air flow fans.
customer should have sent in the motherboard too.
i think Dude bought the cpu and gpu defective for cheap and is going to flip them if repaired.
@@inou2222 Maybe but I doubt it since the cost of this repair would easily ruin whatever profit could be gained
@@inou2222 I don't know the repair prices, but this seems to be a expensive repair.
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3 In the video he says it was a $600 mistake, so I assume that's what he's charging for the repair.
Always amazed with your skills and willingness to get elbow deep into repairs like this. I really don't understand WHY people do this stuff to their equipment though. Is a drop in temp by a few degrees REALLY worth it? Is it REALLY worth it to get a few extra fps? I used to have fun overclocking way back in the slot 1 days but then I stood back and realized that what I was actually getting was sooooo not worth what I was doing. I found that most of the people who were doing this were only doing it for bragging rights.
Like someone who goes around strutting that they have 600+hp and their car can do 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds but then you check and they only drive in town and never go over 30 because the streets they drive on are so short. They'll justify it saying that their car CAN go that fast but they always avoid answering the question if if it ever WILL go that fast.
I understand the people that are really knowledgeable with the skills to do this simply wanting to find out how far they can push things.
Problem is when it starts to enter the mainstream and people that just hear "it will improve performance" that have no clue what they're doing other than maybe watching a youtube tutorial try to do it.
This is a very cool video. Never seen anything like it. Hopefully the media picks this one up too (I've seen a few articles about you/ your channel). More views/ subs!
Time to tip off Hackaday?
The repair attempt in itself is commendable.
wow your a hero, repair up, cheers
You're simply incredible. Re plating the pads. :O
Wow, I did not think that level of repair was possible
Wish it wasn’t sped up for the trace repair man that was interestingly difficult and would love to have watched that play out.
Respect! You are a clever guy Tony. Bob. UK
That's what happens when they try to do something they saw on youtube but don't have the slightest idea what they are actually doing.
Great video, was considering delidding and certain that I’m not now ;)
That repair cost is beyond the value of the chip but the effort to succeed is very impressive to say the least. Brain surgery or drain blamage either way impressive such skill is rare!
i have never liked the idea of physically stressing the cpu like that. i know lots do it but still. i did a delid on my 7950x ryzen. i used fishing line to cut the glue then a thermal camera while i heated it and the lid just fell off. after that i used sanding/lapping and polishing to clear the indium off the cpu dies and get it flat. worked great. i will say however that the CCD's have such low thermal mass that you really do need a brick of a water block to effectively soak that heat away.
You can just apply gallium based liquid metal to the indium and it will amalgam and can wipe off about 95% of it
@@The_Man_In_Red i read that, i have seen that, it did not work. i used liquid metal - which has gallium in it - to little to no effect. sanding was my only option
@@beardedgaming1337 How long did you let it sit there to amalgamate?
@@--_DJ_-- i tried a few times, the longest was about 2 hours
@@beardedgaming1337 Odd that it didn't work for you. Maybe your heating method oxidized the indium making it more resistant to the LM.
I had no idea it was possible to repair these pads. Pretty cool.
watching this gets me back to my first delid attempt on a 4790k using a mini vise, it was so scary
I love your videos!
Soldered heatsinks only can be delidded with very precise tools. Especialy with the LGA1700 CPU. Because if the precission isn´t perfect, the die will get strong push and probably can loosen its contact to the PCB. I once trashed a soldered CPU by using a very no-name tool.
Der8auer produces a tool, were you only can push maybe 1-2 millimeter to both sides. The shear force on the die isn´t as big in that range, my tool pushed the heatspreader only in one direction, and that probabky killed the CPU.
I´m not shure, why Intel does not sell also without heatspreader, but it is probably better to buy it without, if you already want direct-die cooling or using a better heatspreader.
Because then they can state "Delid at your own risk and it voids warranty!" and when someone fucks up, they're forced to buy another one. Double the money for Intel.
And who can blame them? Intel's reputation ignored for now, every business would want to minimize having to make warranty repairs of cases, where the user fucked up his hardware out of sheer stupidity. It is not worth it for them. Any CPU manufacturer will probably deny warranty for Delidding.
Tony ... please, please let us know if it worked. The suspense is just too much for me 😮😮
I couldn't see anyway but 100% trust you ❤
I've had to delid two or three AMD CPUs that were not soldered. After a while the paste would fail and they would overheat.
I imagine current APUs will have to have this done or replaced with the soldered chips.
On those it is not dangerous, since you can flip the sharp side of the blade to the IHS, then pull towards you as it is slided across the IHS.
Just can't keep pushing I'd it offers resistance, as you might be cutting a resistor off.
This brute force thing... Quite dangerous.
Nice work, well communicated - please do let us know if the repair was successful or not.
I'm almost positive you missed a broken trace on that CPU. Also after watching this, I'm getting everything together to delid my 14900k for direct die cooling. Wish me luck.
Luck!
You'd have to be actively trying to fail worse than this!
@@oliverer3 LOL I agree.
Impressive repair.
Apart from some enthusiasts who would delid regardless I do think that Intel carries a lot of responsibility here. The Raptor Lake / Refresh got to the point, between Intel and the board manufacturers, where almost extreme BIOS settings and power consumptions were becoming the norm and accepted. With some boards unlimited power draw and aggressive voltage settings were defaults.
The thermals of the top end CPU's of the RL CPU were, at one point, pretty bad, although they are not great now. Some of that being mitigated with microcode / BIOS releases.
The default settings, but I changed them, on my Gigabyte Z690 board for my 14700k were set to effectively unlimited power draw.
If that thing works... man, you are an electronics repair sage.
Thanks to UA-cam technology putting play speed x 0.25 i can still enjoy this masterpiece.
Someone seems to have scratched away the glue by using a razor and got too deep... Use your fingernail or creditcard or some other soft meterial...
I delidded a 7700k once. I took my time and did it perfectly, it lasted half a decade with unchanging temps before I sold it.
When i reconnected leg traces on a 486DX encased in ceramic back in the day I had to use silver solder on the tip of a pin that i had to heat with a torch and every time i got 2 legs connected the heat from the third would release one or both of the other two! HAH that was HELL but I got it done and then Glued it into the socket so it could never be disturbed again.
Great videos. There was something off about the picture for this video before I clicked on it but it didn't hit me at first. Absolutely no big deal certainly, but an i9-1400k? When did they manufacture that one? lol. No time to edit or did you just miss it? I'm just playing my friend. Keep them coming!
This got recommended to me even though i don't even do this on my first and only Ryzen PC.
Great job, just a small note: your thumbnail says i9 1400k, but it should be 14900k. People probably get the gist though.
Insane man!
Blood sugar test lancets are smaller than razor blade, i use those for small jobs!
I know overclockers who threw away CPUs with less damage than that. This is the most impressive thing I've seen you do on the channel. I'm not sure what those traces go to but I'd be curious to see if this has any notable effect on signal integrity.
useful video. thank you
Hey Tony. I love your videos and don't usually comment, but as a joke, at what point are you going to invest in one of those surgical robots they used to do "surgery" on a grape?? It seams like that's the only thing that could improve your work at this point. 😂 Keep up the awesome work.👍
I think you forgot to fix one trace. At 1:21, on the second damaged pair from the left. Later in the video you put a jumper on the second trace from the first pair but never on the 2nd pair (at least I can't see it). But this is really impressive either way!
No am sure I had them all done.
If I ended up with situation in which I somehow had a 14 gen Intel and fucked it up, I'd definitely sell the motherboard and discard the CPU (they will inevitably degrade to the point of unusable anyway)
But prop to you for saving this CPU, excellent repair
Shouldn't the 0x12B microcode protect the processor from degradation?
Great work for a complex job! It would be useful to know what were the values of the components that were replaced on the CPU.
If someone has a wire bonder I had tried it with that machine. Great skills at soldering! WTF.
guessing it wasn't a der8auer kit, or if it was, they didn't follow instructions, or check for proper alignment.... 14th gen delid is simple with the right jig and follow the instructions... and i've seen some microsoldering wizards, but never like that...
Maybe I missed it in the video, but how is the gold plating is done? Did you apply a current?
Curious to see more videos where you have done this and see if I can apply this for some DIY projects.
You could just rewatch that part, but it is just electroplating. He has done it before but on the traces that engage in the PCI slot.
@@--_DJ_-- Ah, I for some reason did not understand what that purple tip was and it's purpose. Didn't pay enough attention I guess and didn't scroll back far enough.
Now I got it, thanks.
6:30 It appears that only one pair of the two wires in the smaller traces is connected. Are you able to confirm whether or not these are two separate traces lines or one trace with a separation in the middle? Regardless, an insane repair. You are truly an inspiration for me and many others who enjoy this kind of work.
Nope later in the video he also repairs that trace. But there is one trace he actually didnt repair. In 1:46 left of the bulged big trace there is broken thinner trace which he forgot to repair.
@ oh I see it now! Thanks for pointing that out. Not sure how u missed it the first time lol
For those who don’t know 285k can not be delidded without heat. Some people don’t look and realize you’re supposed to put the cpu in one way only and not all delidding tools work well.
And CPUs come with a warranty, its better to get it replaced by the manufacture than try to repair it LOL
Well done like always, let we know if it worked or not, I'm curious
someone tried to delid that chip and cut the adhesive around it with a razor blade...... painful to think the procedure based on the damage
And yet you have Jayztwocents and der8auer encouraging this mongo behavior, as well as pushing shit like liquid metal cooling, both with what are obviously teenagers in their comments sections talking about how theyre going to do it because theyll gain 2-4 degrees cooler and like a 1 percent FPS increase. This shits beyond retarded and "influencers" should have their channels taken away for encouraging this mass retardation.
Not only that, they probably also used a soldering iron to heat up the IHS loosening the solder under the IHS which would explain why there was solder on the CPU pads.
Patience lacks on many people. Specially the guy who did video tape twice his failure to follow instructions and blamed the jig LOL. It was super funny.
@XantheFIN idk , i always feel like those ppl have anger issues and someday will snap and do something horrible
what was the state of CPU before repair. Completely dead? something else?
Edit: Just checked, EVGA never relased a BIOS update that adds 14th gen support. Therefore also never released an update that fixes 13/14th gen killing themselves. Embarrassing.
14xx should run in a LGA1700 Z690 board. These run 12th, 13th and 14th gen CPUs
Perhaps you need to update the BIOS?
I agree. I hate EVGA
EVGA does have updated bios microcode for Z690 boards in v2.17 but no support for 14th gen and Z790 boards partially support 14th gen. and have microcode update. The updates are in their forums, I couldn't find them on the regular download page.
@@steveo6198 any way for manually upgrade microcode using well known tools? what do you think?
@@bkaczy not sure the microcode for voltage has already been done by EVGA. According to devs at EVGA Z690 hardware isn't compatible with 14th gen. whereas the Z790 is which is why there is partial compatibility I believe the APO isn't turned on.
Did it work?
Any feedback yet?
it would be good to know if this worked. so if the customer infoms you that it work please do a video about it.
must have gotten his delidder from Temu never seen one that came with a razorblade on it before
Z690 dark and I'm guessing z790 dark will support some 14th gen cpus(direct 13th gen clones) but not the 14700k. According to some EVGA dark testers. Waited for official support for 14th gen on EVGA board so I could buy a cpu for it but it never came. EVGA said it was because of design of the board that they couldn't support 14th gen.
I was watching "Bits und Bolts"'s channel recently, and Alex has both incredibly stable hands, but also recently acquired a set of "SMD Tweezers" ... Soldering iron tweezers ... they looked very handy ... in the right hands!
No good for me, I shake like a sh*tting dog 😀
I have delidded many CPU'S for direct die custom water cooling. I can't even begin to imagine how one can screw up a delid like that.
What level of temp and tip size do you have to use to keep that wire from desoldering itself from the other end? Very impressive work.
Nice work!
Where are you located?
Probably somewhere north west
Jesus christ those are some tiny traces. Brilliant move doing one side, and then going further out for the other side of each pair
May a LCD "zebra connector" also work to bridge the traces? If it would be possible so add the pressure it needs...
i have an feeling the 3090s issue will be due to too hard overclocking somehow
6:20 and 6:54. There are 2 copper lines next to each other. You only connected one of them. This is clearly visible on the good lines with the solder mask scratched off on the left: Thick line, 2 thin lines, thick line, 2 thin lines.
After 7:00 he repairs those traces. But there is one trace he actually didnt repair. In 1:46 left of the bulged big trace there is one broken thinner trace which he forgot to repair.
@@AnonYmxx Thanks 👍I missed this part. Anyway, this PCB doesn't look like it would be difficult to repair.
0:22 can anyone tell me what that noise I keep hearing across UA-cam videos is?
Maybe one of those Thermalright BCF LGA1700 CPU Secure Frames can come in handy here
just glad thats not my 3090 going back to get repaired. 😂
There was a via under the jumper wire you installed!!!!!! You should have attached to this using hot air and paste
what material to use to insulate a scratch on the PCB that didnt affect any functionality?? and is it fine to leave it without insulation?
Wonder jf you would fix my 5800x3d 😂think the previous owner scratched the ddr4 traces on the pins so its shorting or its toast
no idea
@northwestrepair worth a shot? Or wanna try lol