Private Jet Adventure | Gulfstream LA to Texas

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  • Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
  • Come along on our private jet adventure from Los Angeles to Texas on a luxurious Gulfstream! As a contract pilot, I'll take you behind the scenes of flying a private jet and share the amazing benefits of traveling by private plane. From the comfort to the convenience, this flight is an experience you won't want to miss. Buckle up and join the ride! #privatejet #gulfstream #aviation
    In this video come along as we fly the Gulfstream G4SP from So Cal to Houston texas. I'll show you how to service the engine oil tanks too.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 198

  • @conorb7872
    @conorb7872 5 місяців тому +44

    Hey almost in my neck of the woods up in Dallas. Btw you gave me some advice in a live stream to go all in on training. My last day at work is tomorrow and start my full time program next week. Thanks for the advice and great content. 39.5 hours in and excited to get things moving

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +10

      Awesome man! congrats on the switch! Keep up the great work!

    • @AC399
      @AC399 5 місяців тому +1

      Let’s go! That’s awesome.
      How old are you are yo starting at?

    • @conorb7872
      @conorb7872 5 місяців тому +2

      I'm 31 and i start tomorrow. I got about half of my private done paying out of pocket and realized, after a little encouragement from Thomas and some others, full time is the way to go. The younger you start the better, obviously, but i know people in their 50s working on their ATP with the major airlines as their end goal. Get that 1st class medical and get into a program asap if you can

  • @muziobeatz
    @muziobeatz 5 місяців тому +31

    Love these types of videos bro. No fancy editing, just raw content. Especially when the car and jet content sector is flooded with overhyped editing and no real look into the true reality of the experience - thats why I love your channel!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +3

      Thanks man! Im a crappy editor hahahah

    • @devyate612
      @devyate612 5 місяців тому +2

      No fancy editing? I would say hearing the audio while watching the plane takeoff is pretty damn fancy (but not flashy).

  • @TheNicko773
    @TheNicko773 5 місяців тому +15

    These videos are definitely not boring.... Keep em coming Capt!!! Cheers!

  • @thedaudmohamed73
    @thedaudmohamed73 5 місяців тому +64

    Passed my CFII bro! Tryna get to the big leagues asap!!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +10

      Congrats man!

    • @madaven818
      @madaven818 5 місяців тому +3

      Big congrats man!!

  • @Flywith_los
    @Flywith_los 5 місяців тому +6

    The cross over between the audio and the outside videos on take off was 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @brandonjerue1205
    @brandonjerue1205 29 днів тому

    Thumbs up for the voice over, geniuses

  • @davidclavadetscher1549
    @davidclavadetscher1549 5 місяців тому +2

    I love watching all your content. I learned to fly as a young guy and gave it up but am getting enthused all over again, thanks!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Wow that’s great to hear, now is the perfect time to hop back in!

  • @KirklandKandell
    @KirklandKandell 5 місяців тому +5

    Nice clearance pick up. Great to see a video of you going to my home city. Thank you for the amazing content.

  • @harrybeedham705
    @harrybeedham705 5 місяців тому +2

    Tommy your content is the best mate... so many good shots. You sure take the time to make top notch content unlike so many other influencers nowadays.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Thanks man! I consider myself to be a terrible cameraman and editor!

  • @monkeyboy8424
    @monkeyboy8424 5 місяців тому +2

    It's always nice not having to use the tilt and range when flying into Houston. Great video.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +3

      Hahah we got lucky with a clean approach ;)

  • @buckandskip1
    @buckandskip1 2 місяці тому

    Another great video. I love the laid back but serious attitude in the cockpit. Texas is a wide state. 😆 I drove across it several times in my former life as a truck driver, and your right there is a whole lot of nothing out in West Texas. If you like great Texas chilli there is or was a little dive just off of I 10 in comfort TX. That had incredible chilli. It was just a little white building all by itself just off the frontage road.

  • @jasonboswell8170
    @jasonboswell8170 5 місяців тому +2

    Best on youtube. Your videos are awesome. Thanks for sharing with us.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      Wow, thank you!

  • @stewartbrown7783
    @stewartbrown7783 5 місяців тому +3

    Always a good watch, thank you!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @AndrewVos-qq4qi
    @AndrewVos-qq4qi 5 місяців тому +1

    I really enjoyed some of that "outside-of-aircraft" footage. It's also nice to meet some of your industry-related friends and partners. Neat video. Happy landings to one and all!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @sarahrice4636
    @sarahrice4636 5 місяців тому +2

    Great content! Love how you mixed it up. Keep kicking ass @ShinyJets

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Thank you!!!! Brett is the man!

  • @JORDAN_FENECH
    @JORDAN_FENECH 5 місяців тому +5

    Awesome video! Good to see you back bro!

  • @djbowe
    @djbowe 4 місяці тому +1

    bro, you are doing a great job with these videos. Keep up the good work

  • @daniel216
    @daniel216 5 місяців тому +1

    Great video as always Tom, really enjoy watching these.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed Cheers!

  • @njonl
    @njonl 5 місяців тому +1

    Great video as always! Went to order a multicam flight bag and sold out already! That was fast. I’ll be anxiously waiting for more!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      They should be in stock check back on the site in 30 :)

  • @Lucke462
    @Lucke462 5 місяців тому +2

    Just ordered my bag! Looking forward to getting it and loading it!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      Sweet thanks for supporting the channel!

    • @Lucke462
      @Lucke462 5 місяців тому

      You’re the man, and a great role model Tommy. Love the channel bro!

  • @justinhaase8825
    @justinhaase8825 5 місяців тому +1

    I’ve done video production for over 2 decades. Mainly as a cameraman. You remind me of a technical director. They know all the plane/broadcast truck stuff and expect the crew to be doing their jobs and let them know when it’s not working and how to problem solve or go beyond. The thing is, the director kind of knows what to expect from a crew member may have done one or two of their jobs early on, but can’t fill in if needed. Reminds me how pilots know enough to know what level is wrong but have no idea how to fix it.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      That is right on point!

  • @normanswift7715
    @normanswift7715 5 місяців тому +5

    Was literally waiting so long for your next video bro

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Haha welcome aboard

  • @jonathangarms1394
    @jonathangarms1394 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for using Wilson!!! Great video!

  • @officialeienstine
    @officialeienstine 5 місяців тому +2

    Amazing as always bro wow

  • @clarencewiles963
    @clarencewiles963 2 місяці тому

    As I’m going up through all your videos your numbers are going up !

  • @matthewyount7225
    @matthewyount7225 5 місяців тому +2

    Every time you upload I know it’s gonna be good 🔥🔥

  • @TotallyNotRyxn
    @TotallyNotRyxn 5 місяців тому +1

    Living the dream man, hopefully one day I'll be there also.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      You will! Keep grinding!

  • @igrant1
    @igrant1 5 місяців тому +3

    loving the content

  • @lornecunningham326
    @lornecunningham326 5 місяців тому

    Loved the external view on the ground. Thanks for taking us along 🤙

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @jf8303
    @jf8303 5 місяців тому

    Excellent camera work. Love the far away view for take off.....

  • @lonestaraviator
    @lonestaraviator 5 місяців тому +1

    Houston my hometown love to see it! You flew over my house on the Kiddz4 !

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      I wagged the wings over your house 😉 cheers

  • @2WhiteAndNerdy
    @2WhiteAndNerdy 5 місяців тому

    That approach and landing was cleeeeeeeean. 😎

  • @gregmaul2982
    @gregmaul2982 5 місяців тому

    Love the G4 videos man, that plane is fun to watch.

  • @Greenbeanhead
    @Greenbeanhead 5 місяців тому

    Love the exterior shots/takeoff footage.

  • @cwalter24
    @cwalter24 5 місяців тому

    These ain't boring bro. Love the pilot stuff.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Glad you like them!

  • @gwhutch1
    @gwhutch1 5 місяців тому +1

    Always great stuff

  • @abhinavkrish794
    @abhinavkrish794 5 місяців тому +1

    First time tuning into your channel, and I gotta say, I was expecting a flight journey, but whoa, didn't see you piloting the plane! 😲🛩

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for checking it out! Hope you subscribed ;)

    • @abhinavkrish794
      @abhinavkrish794 5 місяців тому

      @@gear_down I did

  • @ProducerStefanSchnabel
    @ProducerStefanSchnabel 5 місяців тому +1

    Awesome work! 🤘🏻🛩😉

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Thank you! Cheers!

  • @antoniog9814
    @antoniog9814 2 місяці тому

    0:08 Bro, all those white packages make the back of your car look like Pablo Escobar was doing business back there, 😂
    Welcome to Houston.

  • @christiansandoval8517
    @christiansandoval8517 5 місяців тому +1

    I like the videos pretty cool never been on the plane before

  • @LMays-cu2hp
    @LMays-cu2hp 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for sharing your trip.😊

  • @jeddy_young
    @jeddy_young 5 місяців тому +2

    Another banger 🤟🏼

  • @ScottLara
    @ScottLara 5 місяців тому

    Enjoyed the video. Love Gulfstream jets!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Glad you enjoyed!

  • @THELIFEOFPRICE
    @THELIFEOFPRICE 5 місяців тому

    Nice video man!

  • @leonardnewbill793
    @leonardnewbill793 5 місяців тому

    Great landing!

  • @paulm2861
    @paulm2861 5 місяців тому

    Great video, as always.

  • @dougmohn1182
    @dougmohn1182 5 місяців тому +1

    Paint looks good.

  • @MultiMegaMaxx
    @MultiMegaMaxx 5 місяців тому +2

    Literally just wondering if I’d missed an upload, and see you posted 1 min ago 😂

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Here we are! 👋

  • @KOFIO4E
    @KOFIO4E 4 місяці тому

    ❤ Love the content brother are you taking apprentices? I’m looking to learn from someone with as much experience as yourself !!

  • @arthurjeulin4171
    @arthurjeulin4171 5 місяців тому +1

    Still awesome video !

  • @ThEvltwn
    @ThEvltwn 5 місяців тому +1

    Awesome video, the Quality just keeps getting better and better, with Brett outside it gives another dimension, and did you switch out cams? The instruments aren't flickering anymore 😍💪🏽 and DJI Osmo Pocket in front 🤌🏽 shits getting serious! 😁
    Keep it up! Looking forward to Wheels down content as well

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      Instruments only flicker when it’s bright outside and the camera has to adjust for the lights! Thanks for watching this one I’m glad you enjoyed it!!!

  • @reubenwestcott7426
    @reubenwestcott7426 5 місяців тому +2

    Gear down the 🐐🐐🐐👑

  • @blakekaercher5134
    @blakekaercher5134 5 місяців тому +2

    woah, Shiny Jets Dallas😉

  • @justinhaase8825
    @justinhaase8825 5 місяців тому +1

    I don’t mean to be a downer, but I’ve been av interested since I was a kid. The same week as the FL Challenger crash, I drove by the same model sitting on ramp the next time zone over. After watching the actual crash vid, it hit hard. I was a news photog for 2 decades and have been to Joplin 2 hrs after the tornado so I’ve seen some stuff. It’s always good until it’s not.
    Safety mindset, ability, knowledge, and experience are so key.
    I find your videos interesting not just for av interest but also who decides to spend wild amounts of $ for a single flight. I live behind a high end home products place and those folks spend $10k for 3 patio chairs like it’s no big deal.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Yeah it’s pretty crazy! Thanks for supporting this channel though! I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. The challenger crash… that’s a whole nother subject 😢

  • @timaz1066
    @timaz1066 4 місяці тому

    Nice video as always. And I like your little plated Trump sign upfront. Safe flights.

  • @ictpilot
    @ictpilot 5 місяців тому +1

    Next time you get into Chino take some time and go to Adventure Air. Meet up with Henry and try and get a little flight time in the gyro plane you'll have a blast.

  • @DividendRick
    @DividendRick 4 місяці тому

    Is that a Gold Trump bar? haha. Awesome

  • @OhioPalmTrees
    @OhioPalmTrees 5 місяців тому +1

    excuse all my questions I've been binge watching aviation videos
    1. is it true as a private pilot you have to prep the food, lav, fuel, check engines, and basically everything a major carrier has some position full-time position for?
    2. are you more likely to be operating on 6 hours of sleep a day as a private because you have to get to the plane earlier because of everything above^ ( This question comes from a netjet pilot doc on how they're overworked and underpaid compared to their major airline colleagues)
    3. how involved are you in the maintenance or knowledge of? Do you just fly any plane or do you need to know pretty much everything about whats been done to it, whos touched it, etc? Same with security of the plane, are you ever concerned it just left sitting on a runway with only a chain link fence protecting it?
    4. Do big planes really have the technology to bring you within 100 feet of the runway with little to no stick play? I watched a pilots video on why he went from private to commercial and he said private small airports your legit flying in and out of all on the stick and controls while big planes is just like auto pilot then 1 minute of stick handling at landing and take off.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Lot to unpack here

    • @OhioPalmTrees
      @OhioPalmTrees 5 місяців тому

      LOL I know I asked wayyy to many questions.
      you keep up the great content and stay safe! and as always G'day! @@gear_down

  • @InTheCloudsWithVersevice
    @InTheCloudsWithVersevice 5 місяців тому

    My goal after my commercial training is to move back home to California and hopefully network my way to you at KCNO one day! 😅🚀

  • @AndYL2017
    @AndYL2017 5 місяців тому +3

    can I ride along in the rolls-royce? 😂Nice video

  • @LadyVEE_
    @LadyVEE_ 5 місяців тому

    Excellent content 🫡🫡🫡

  • @TheMountain295
    @TheMountain295 5 місяців тому

    You got me thinking of doing corporate instead of airlines lol. Maybe do a video on corporate flying vs airlines?

  • @FullaSquaids
    @FullaSquaids 5 місяців тому

    I always love your music choices, man!
    If you dont mind me asking, how many days a month do you work on average as a contract pilot?
    And thanks for the content!

  • @Flywithameer
    @Flywithameer 5 місяців тому

    Hey, recently found your channel and I really enjoyed your work. Can you make a video explaining how you got to where you are and any tips you have for people wanting to learn about how to become a contract pilot. Thank You!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      There’s a video explaining just this on my channel :)

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson3758 5 місяців тому

    One day I want to go on one of your flights

  • @IamVx
    @IamVx 5 місяців тому

    Just passed Private I’m time building (125hrs) maybe I’ll see you around Dallas!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Congrats!!! 👏

  • @stew411
    @stew411 5 місяців тому +1

    Great video as usual. I have a question, do pilots usually have to check the oil like you did or did you do it because you know how to work on planes? Really enjoy how much detail you go into then just flying the plane.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      Normally pilots are supposed to check at the end of every flight or couple of flights

    • @stew411
      @stew411 5 місяців тому

      @@gear_down gotcha. Thanks

  • @dariod2666
    @dariod2666 5 місяців тому +1

    If you could check the oil level cold then why wouldn’t they just give you a cold temp number to go by?

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      I explained this pretty well in the video

  • @codyroman8804
    @codyroman8804 5 місяців тому

    Hey! I’ve just started watching some of your videos and would love to learn what steps you have to take to get the correct training to do what you do and be able to fly commercial planes as well! Any advice is helpful!

  • @PirepWakeTurbulence
    @PirepWakeTurbulence 5 місяців тому

    Bro it would be so awesome to fly with you. I am a CFI and thinking I want to go the private route instead of the airlines, also I worked at Signature so know the flow of how to get catering and prepping the A/C and having everything ready when the pax get there.

  • @reeltrides911S
    @reeltrides911S 5 місяців тому +1

    We had a hell hole on the 787 too, is the Jack screw and APU back there as well? Good vid dude as always

  • @Loomislogisticsservice
    @Loomislogisticsservice 4 місяці тому

    Wow you are so cool

  • @larrymayberry2312
    @larrymayberry2312 5 місяців тому +1

    KHOU is 35 miles from me. And yes, Texas is rather large.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Texas is the best though! Cheers!

  • @josephgondek4666
    @josephgondek4666 5 місяців тому +1

    Whats a man gotta do to fly with you? Currently building time flying King Airs but my end goal is to fly Gulfstreams! Love the content!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Keep building those hours! 💪 thanks for watching

  • @DemarioChambers
    @DemarioChambers 5 місяців тому +1

    Brett is my freakin guy

  • @royshroud9536
    @royshroud9536 5 місяців тому +1

    Which Rolls Royce engines do you have in this G4? Rolls Royce 611-8Cs?
    Also when you add engine oil to the Jet engines does it need be put in the log books?

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      We do keep an oil consumption log in the plane.

    • @royshroud9536
      @royshroud9536 5 місяців тому

      @@gear_down cheers thanks for the reply.

  • @juz1jose
    @juz1jose 3 місяці тому

    If you are flying are you required to have two pilots, and if you are flying by yourself how do you go to the bathroom?

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  3 місяці тому

      You Get up and go to the bathroom lol

  • @jonathansandall3089
    @jonathansandall3089 5 місяців тому +1

    Sooooo many buttons 😮

  • @StephenShreds
    @StephenShreds 5 місяців тому

    How is the contract business with gauges? Obviously tattoos are becoming more acceptable but I used to have 00 sized gauges and I took them out last year to clean myself up a bit. Just kinda want to wear them again 😅

    • @StephenShreds
      @StephenShreds 5 місяців тому

      I have a 3/4 traditional Japanese tattoo which I planned so I hide it!

  • @MrYoung11
    @MrYoung11 5 місяців тому

    Houston? Should have got at me. I’m at IAH

  • @simo-dv5xk
    @simo-dv5xk 5 місяців тому +1

    You don't lock the door to the cockpit for safety reasons?

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      It’s a private jet.

  • @superroo_sti3351
    @superroo_sti3351 5 місяців тому

    Always wanted to ask about jets do jets need oil changes after a certain amount of hours completely change fluid and filters.

  • @mikestanding3480
    @mikestanding3480 5 місяців тому

    Weird how the FAA operate in the US, traffic cleared to land and you are still lining up or on the runway.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      If they didn’t do that delays would be monstrous

  • @mogulsandmoonshots
    @mogulsandmoonshots 5 місяців тому +2

    Do you need paint on that hatch?

  • @gilkalbfeld1384
    @gilkalbfeld1384 5 місяців тому

    Working on getting my ppl on my 17th birthday, any tips to help with cost?
    Thanks

  • @InTheCloudsWithVersevice
    @InTheCloudsWithVersevice 5 місяців тому

    Did you get you A&P license before all your flying or viceversa?

  • @angelcaravans5111
    @angelcaravans5111 5 місяців тому

    I want this so bad bro.. all your vids have been so inspirational. Oddly I just quit my job to do Aircraft Detailing at Palm Beach International so I can meet more people and learn more about Aircrafts. Been trying to get into ATP Flight school but the funds aren’t there right now, do you have any recommendations of any scholarships or other ways to fund it? I live in Delray Beach, FL. Thank you!!

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Sick man!!! You're on the right track! Good luck!

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson3758 5 місяців тому

    Did you get your Piper Arrow sold .?

  • @atcdan133
    @atcdan133 5 місяців тому +1

    What’s up with that paint flaking off?

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      its an old plane lol

  • @MichaelBaileyNZ
    @MichaelBaileyNZ 3 місяці тому

    What’s with the trump gold bar? Is there an inside joke I don’t know about? I’ve only just started watching your videos so I might be missing something…

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  3 місяці тому +1

      Lmao its just a piece of candy. Not everything is a conspiracy

  • @Scraig15999
    @Scraig15999 5 місяців тому

    Did you fly for an airline before

  • @Bupkus68
    @Bupkus68 5 місяців тому +1

    The dust on the screens is triggering my OCD 😂

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      Haha they get dusty in 5 minutes after cleaning. It’s the sheepskin on the cockpit seats. They create so much dust

  • @rootbeer9908
    @rootbeer9908 5 місяців тому

    Do you think the contract pilot industry will ever get too saturated?

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      Doubtful not enough people are willing to risk the money it takes to contract full time

    • @rootbeer9908
      @rootbeer9908 5 місяців тому

      @@gear_down thanks for the input. I’m trying to finish up commercial currently and Cfi before the summer. Everyone wants to rush off to the airlines but the corporate/private world just looks so much more appealing.

  • @kyubtauji7
    @kyubtauji7 5 місяців тому +1

    why such low quality ??

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Video still processing you Yt

    • @kyubtauji7
      @kyubtauji7 5 місяців тому

      better now , thanks@@gear_down

  • @yasinsami192
    @yasinsami192 5 місяців тому

    is the gulfstream yours, or your clients

  • @user-rd5wn9op4o
    @user-rd5wn9op4o 5 місяців тому

    Cockpit seems chaotic

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Lots of stuff going on while you’re flying 275 a couple thousand feet off the ground

    • @user-rd5wn9op4o
      @user-rd5wn9op4o 5 місяців тому

      @@gear_down amen to that.. I fly a Lear 60 out of Hobby, million air based. That Gulfstream check list and flow is nuts. The overhead panel adds a whole extra layer of confusion 🤯

  • @ShanePule
    @ShanePule 5 місяців тому +1

    Got my Bags and patch -- One is for the Boy's B-Day on 3/10 He took his first flight in 2022 with Civil Air Patrol and then became touched by the flight bug [ua-cam.com/video/dY1l6hIYrDI/v-deo.htmlsi=Jq4jg7JFR_Tifc72] He is also hooked on this channel with me! We love the channel. keep it up and wag your wings when you come to KMTN.

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому

      Thank you so much for the support! Best of luck to him on his journey! I’ll Wig wag 1000% if we ever come in! :)

  • @mohitbabbar8211
    @mohitbabbar8211 5 місяців тому

    Hey man , I have Faa ,TCCA , DGCA CPL me ir with B 737 rating . Any opportunity you can hook me up with would be appreciated

    • @gear_down
      @gear_down  5 місяців тому +1

      I'll come back to this comment if I ever come across anything for you :)

  • @dennismassie3552
    @dennismassie3552 5 місяців тому

    👋🏻KSRQ☀️🌴🇺🇸🛩️

  • @user-jy6ji2hb2c
    @user-jy6ji2hb2c 4 місяці тому

    wow can you do your check lists just a bit faster