351 Windsor Swap LONGTUBE Headers Worth It? The FIT & GAINS
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2024
- We dive into a new set of much needed headers for our N/A Ford 387 Stroker build. Here is the fitament, sound & gains from it. We dyno and compare to the wheels.
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Great fit on those! I bet your neighbors love them too!
Really helpful video bro. I’m collecting parts for my 393 fox. I love this video series. Thank you
I’m running the same set of headers and have the exact same set of motor mounts. Mounts make a huge difference on the header installation. I did have to grind the sharp 90 degree corners of my K-member because Header pipe was hitting. BBK had stayed competitive on their pricing. I paid $600.00 for my set about 10 years ago. I also used SBC header studs. $5.00 new at the swap meet. Car sounds awesome!
Thx man! Ya was a great fit
Very inspiring !!
Looks like you got some really good gains out of them, I tried to blow up the graph to see how much it picked up but u kept the numbers out of sight perfectly 😅 but that thing is going to respond really well to mods that will help it breathe like, headers, big cam, big 220 ported out heads, and a heavily ported out intake , and you're heading to 500hp easy which I know you already know I just can't wait to see what all you're going to do to it , interesting stuff
Love to hear it through a set of Paradox Performance mufflers. Best sounding & flowing mufflers out there. Flow just as good if not better than open pipe.
I remember helping a buddy fit long tube bbk headers on his build 349 with a build aod. Thing took us a couple hours.
Nice. I run 2” Hookers and can put them in/out without disconnecting the steering linkage which is a plus. Interested in the dyno results.
Fitment looked clean, sounds awesome 👌
I think so too!
Awesome stuff Brother!!! I love the NA stuff and the mods to see what gains are there with just bolt ons! 🇺🇸💪🏼
It’s why I’m doing it. I think it’s cool to see too
have a set of the long tube on my 83 Thunderbird and the shortys on my 81 Cougar both fit well
Perfect timing on this. I am considering buying a set for my car and was curious about how they fit. Looks like they fit perfectly.
They fit pretty good!
Good watching the up grade
I hope we get to see it run n/a on the track!
Loving the way the engine sounds with the LT’s… can’t help but wanna see 5-psi from a Vortech running e85 with it now. 👍
I do have an old old school Vortech lol
Do it
I want to switch to long tubes on my 306 but not sure if 1 5/8 or 1 3/4 would be best for my set up. 165 AFrR heads and trick flow stage 1 cam
U can also cut off the small 2.5 ball socket and make a true 3inch header all the way back if you want every bit of horsepower possible.
Bingo you already know
The right size and length, along with proper step in primary tubes and collector size and lenght. Will be worth the price.
we are going to be doing the collector thing next.
I just got a set of those 2 weeks ago.
I didn’t pay attention to the combo on my original guess. Those LT headers should be good for 10-20hp, but they should also provide a little more low-mid range torque. It’s already a torque monster. I think the cam is holding it back N/A. But it will still be a runner.
Bingo
Good Video Man!!!
The Car Sounds Angry With The Long Tubes!!!
It does!
Looks like better fitment than the shorties, and of course better flow, horsepower gain. Great purchase for
N/A build, she does sound more meaner...
Needs to finish exhaust but yes I can’t wait to hear what it’s sounds thru the whole 3” setup
Love this. Hope you don't have the intercooler hooked up hahaha
Big block Chevy header bolts supposedly work as well.
I’ve not been able to locate any new for a 8.2 if anyone happens accross a part number I’m definitely interested
@Neomustangs- I know this is a budget build, and its really good so far, and the next dyno session, is only going to get better. But i was wondering, i seen that this engine peaks Hp @ a Low rpm, i think the Anderson-B31 cam is too small. What do you think about a combo im wanting to build= a NA. (427 to 433cu. In.) SBF stroker, with around 12 to 1 comp.(using gas-port pistons, with ultra low tension rings), with a Trick flow stage 5 Roller cam, Trick Flow 205cc (11R) Alum. Cyl. Heads, Big-Dogs stage 2 fully ported(upper, Lower, spacer, and ported 90mm Tb) Trick Flow Box R intake, Anderson 4inch power pipe, Big-Dogs High Flow stainless steel headers(700cfm), and Big-Dogs 3" High Flow stainless steel mufflers(700cfm), with evacuation kit from valve covers, to headers. I was hoping to peak Hp around (6,300 to 6,500 Rpm), and Tq around (4,300 to 4,500Rpm). You think this engine combo has a shot @ 500 Wheel Hp, with a manual trans.!? Thanks, and Great video.
What bell housing is that again? Looks awesome. Crazy how so much is exposed vs. A regular bell housing.
Mo powa baby! 👍
Its a quicktime TKO/TKX bellhousing. Its modified obviously for a downpipe. I mention this in the video. Thx
those small shorties might be an excuse for a turbo stock displacement 351W car or a 351W headed 302 build...if there's some Fox just lyin' around holding down the floor in the neighborhood...not that we should ever buy another affordable project car just to use up one part we have. who would ever do such a thing, right? :)
I do recommend on header installs to do the hard one first. It sucks the will to live out of you, but if you find you need to lift the engine up off the mounts to get some space, you won't have to pull a great header install on the other side to do it. and having the easy install for last is like getting dessert after brussel sprouts :)
The way the tubes run together. They almost look like a set of zoomies on a fuel car
For power and torque gains long tubes are worth it, but they are a pain in the ass too install and when you gotta remove the transmission with a scatter shield it’s a bitch
Did you have problems with the steering shaft hitting some of the tubes? Having drop solid motor mounts and half inch k member spacers on mine with a MM steering shaft. Had to bang up 2 of the tubes pretty good for clearance.
There was a good ammount of room.
It’s crazy how take that cam sounds in that big engine, in a 5,0 it’d be chopping. It’s almost stock sounding.
Yep. Gonna change that tho
🔔😎🇺🇸
You should smooth out all the hangnails inside the collector tubes. It matters a lot.
As long as the header is larger than the headport...its ok.
We actually gonna reconstruct the whole collector. It’s too small
@@NeomustangsFlowmaster had a collector that turns a 4-into-1 header into a Tri Y setup. I think the part number is C200250350. It can add low or high RPM power depending on how you weld it on.
@@alertgasper yep. We have a whole video/setup video talking about scavenging and continuing to progress more N/A power out of this combo
@@Neomustangs i missed that video, so i'm probably just repeating something you already covered, but i remember an old David Vizard article in Popular Hot Rodding magazine suggesting a superior exhaust design that cleared out the combustion chamber could mimic a low boost turbo as far as the volumetric efficiency is concerned, while not having the boost penalty of needing higher octane. A cold air induction package would likely also contribute to higher VE rates on such an engine (whereas boost typically heats the air charge requiring some intercooler or aftercooler). This might allow for a smaller camshaft pattern to be used or boost might be used to generate a higher compression ratio for those running E85.
long tube headers might make turbo location an issue unless one goes with the rear-bumper setup, and an exhaust system evacuating at low engine RPM better might just spool such a turbo setup sooner (probably needs the entire exhaust system before it to get wrapped or heat coated to really pay that off). anyway, just spitballin'.
I hope when you go to the dyno you only changed the headers...because if you change the intake tube and throttle body you screwed up your data. And I want to know as I have a 393 with done up "170's" with the 1 5/8" shorties but have a 3" exhaust but putting in a 6r80 and have to figure the headers out. Then bolt on the 205 11r's...but I really want to know if the long tubes are going to be worth the hassle....
Yes we did but I will tell you this… one works better with the other too…
I’ve Never seen long tube headers not be worth it on the Dyno. EVER. They’re usually good for 20-30hp over shorties.
I think they are going to be a pain for me (351W with 6R80) lol...and I don't think anyone is making mid lengths anymore either....@@DWBmotorsports
@@robertelmo7736 I have the bbks with a c4 large bell 164t and it was very tight. If the 6r80 takes a smaller flex plate it’ll be fine.
Did you notice a difference in the headers im looking at the same set up for my car
Yes
Scavenging has more to do with LT vs Shorty. Otherwise the gains would all be it high rpm with nothing down low. Not sure if you ran extensions, but they are definitely worth power.
I did not but we are looking into that now
@@Neomustangs episode of Engine Masters (Motor Trend with Freiburger and the Steve's) tested it on the dyno. At least 18" extensions will help power and keep those O2 sensors reading exhaust and not getting outside air.
@@Jim_Lawrence That’s correct
What's on that car for mufflers....on video it sounds like it has an exhaust leak,even before with old headers.
It’s open
That makes sense...buy it doesn't sound that loud on camera
Neo do u ever get heat-soak on your starter with the long tubes headers
Yes I do. But it was something happening even with downpipe. Needs a mini torque
@@Neomustangs thank you I thought I was the only one with that issue keep up the great content. Your 408 strokers are my motivation. I don’t know if I wanna turbo it or procharge it yet.
@@johnvang2277I have those same exact headers on my 427 stroker and the starter heat soak is a royal pain in the ass....I need to wrap them and put some type of heat shield.....
@@Neomustangs
Try an aluminum heat shield
@@rdy2run332 shoot I have BBK equal length long tube lol and a SVE mini torque starter and I’m still having issues with it. I got a heat shield around the start still doesn’t help neither. Let me know if you find a solution for it. I’m out in California sometimes it get so hot that I’ll have to sit for like 30 mins
Man sure wish they had 1.75 8.2 bbks still
Didn’t know they didn’t
They do at LMR
What k member are using on that car ?
UPR
Thanks . I have a 89 coupe and a 351 block and crank that I was thinking about throwing together.
Wasn’t worth it when I did it to my 82 gt. I got walked by my friends 82 notch with gt40p heads. I was pretty disappointed. But if I knew then what I know now I would have a better build done.
Looks like it made 514 to the tire
bro studs are your friend.
Worked it’s fine without it. It’s all good
naw, they always steal your girl :)
on a serious note, unless the header is holding up the weight of a turbo, not sure why a stud would be needed here. just one more thing to get the header around, unless you slit the bolt holes in the flange.
Often you can't get the headers in with studs sticking out of the heads.
If you have to you can blue locktite AND safety wire the bolts.
also using the wrong header gaskets
What ? I used the ones they gave me.
Man what size is your garage?