These Nikon Lenses can destroy your Nikon DSLR
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2024
- Because some compatibility have been kept in the Nikon F mount over the years, it is easy to thing that one can mount any vintage lens on a Nikon DSLR. That is not true. Some lenses can even damage your camera. In this video, I tell you everything you need to know in order to avoid that costly mistake.
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Just for information, the "rabbit ears" aperture ring-to-camera coupling was used on F-mount lenses from the launch of the Nikon F in 1959 because the first optional lightmeter was a external clip-on device which was mechanically coupled to the lens aperture ring and the shutter speed dial. Either or both of these rings/dials would be adjusted until the pointers on the lightmeter lined up. Being an external meter, it had to be told what the exact aperture setting of the lens was. When, later on, TTL (through-the-lens) metering was introduced via the optional Photomic viewfinder in around 1962, the meter then only needed to know how many stops difference there was between the actual aperture ring setting and the maximum aperture of the lens. This is because the metering is done at maximum aperture but the picture may be being shot at a smaller aperture. Unfortunately, Nikon were already committed to the rabbit ears interface by then. They decided to add an extra clutch mechanism to the Photomic viewfinder which, if the user moved the aperture through its whole travel (known as doing the Nikon shuffle), would register the lens's maximum aperture in the meter. When they introduced the cheaper Nikkormat cameras in mid-1960's, which mostly had TTL metering, they included (apart from on the original Nikkormat FT model, which used a separate max. aperture setting method - but that's another story!) the same clutch mechanism in the body and specified the same shuffle action as the Nikon F Photomic each time a different lens was fitted. Competitors such as Canon, meanwhile had decided to cater for TTL from the outset and avoided the need for this extra procedure. Eventually, Nikon decided that they would have to simplify things for the user and so introduced the AI lens design, which is far simpler to manufacture and to use. A step is machined in the aperture ring which pushes against a corresponding tab in a spring-loaded collar on the camera body. On each lens, the step is always sited at the same number of stops from the maximum f-stop number and it therefore tells the camera how many stops difference there is between the set aperture and the maximum aperture as the aperture ring is turned. But now the TTL meter does not know what the actual f-stop setting is; but it does not need to know this since it is looking at the actual light passing through the lens. However, so the the user can see the actual f-stop number in the viewfinder (at least on later cameras such as the FM and FE), a second smaller set of f-stop numbers was engraved on the aperture ring which could be seen inside the viewfinder via a periscope. Two extra windows were added to the rabbit ears to improve the illumination by ambient light of the "5.6" number and its neighbours. Those little windows are the easiest way to identify if a lens is AI or pre-AI. Nikon factory-converted pre-AI lenses have both the extra row of f-numbers and the extra windows in the rabbit ears. Independently converted ones might not. The first Nikon camera bodies design to use the AI coupling method (Nikon F2A, Nikkormat FT3, Nikon FM and Nikon FE) had retractable coupling tabs on the body which would still allow safe fitment of the pre-AI lenses. Metering could still be carried out with these but only in the stopped-down mode: i.e. with the depth-of-field preview button held down. Depending on the aperture setting, this could mean the the viewfinder would be quite dark for metering and the meter itself rather slow to settle on a reading. Sadly, the retractable tabs were discontinued for the Nikon FM2 and FE2 models and on all subsequent cameras apart from the much later Nikon Df "retro" styled DSLR. This omission was probably an unfortunate piece of cost cutting.
You are right, the first metered prism for the Nikon F wasn't TTL.
Regarding why Nikon stopped offering a retractable tab, I will not be surprised if Nikon saw it a way to give its client a gentle push in renewing they older lenses.
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Thank you for your video. I love your explaination. I have 4 old Nikon lenses from a friend from Germany....1- nikon nikkor 105mm 1:2.5 / 2- nikon nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 3- Kalimar MC Auto Zoom 80 - 200mm 1:3.9 4- Nikon 28mm 1:2.8 ... What adaptor can i buy to mount it on a NIKON D7200 or on a CANON 80 ESO D.... I will really appreciate your help . Thank you so much
Good and interesting video. You are right nikon considered that non AI lenses too obsolete for digital cameras and it s pity… and this is why I love my Df the most versatile Nikon ever made :).
YOU WIN A WATCH! im considering that camera
Doing the "Mini/Maxi Quick Twist" when changing lenses on my FTN just became a natural part of changing a lens.
I am ashamed to admit that is something that I can easily forget...
Thanks for watching.
Those old camera lens also do not have the cut out for when minimum small aperture is set also known as EE potion to allow for auto aperture setting. So if you have no aperture pin like on the D 70 you still cannot mount a non AI lens because the FEE pin will also be damaged. it is at the 8 o'clock position.
Thank u for this info was curios if it was possible. Got a question can u use that lens u took off dslr on the slr?
That lens is a Nikon 85mm 1.4 AF ( See it here : ua-cam.com/video/okVlek6NK-E/v-deo.html )
And yes, you can use it a Nikon FE/FM.
Thanks for watching.
Some digital lens have no aperture and need to be controlled by the camera which an old SLR will not have. Also Auto focus does not work and the manual control is not very good.
I have a D700 and pre-AI lens with no issue (though no metering, of course)
I've heard that it works, but some people say that it can eventually damage the camera.. The non AI lenses are officially not supported on the D700. I've been reluctant (but desirous) to try my 4 non AI lenses.
Some Non Ai Nikon lenses will fit on the D3000 and D5000 series camera bodies because they lack the Ai Lever on the camera lens mount and only work on manual exposure with no metering and will also work on the FTZ adaptor for the Z series cameras.
Although Nikon don't recommend doing this it is possible but at your own risk.
Thanks for watching. You are right, lower end Nikon SLR who do not have an Ai ring can use the older lens safely, but as I mention in the video, they can not metter the light with non AF lens.
the non ai and ai lens fits my Nikon d3200 however trying to change the f-stop is a bit tough to turn the ring and sluggish. sadly, the same lenses but will not fit my d810
very good information Sir.......thank you so much from the USA.......new subscriber, Paul......
Glad you found the video interesting. Thanks for the subscription.
Can you suggest me some good Manual lenses for my Nikon D3300? Cheap ones will be appreciated. And please tell me how can I use them.
Hi Talha. I would suggest the Nikon 50mm 1.8 lens. Any generation is good. It is cheap and easy to find second hand. On your body, it will be roughly similar to a 80mm lens, so it will be perfect for portraits. And you are right, I should do a video about using manual lenses on a DSLR, and I will do one soon.
@@thatfrenchbloke8892 wut abt yongnuo 50mm 1,8 ?
@@Feetfetishsx This is not a lens that i have ever tested, so I will refrain from giving an opinion on it. However, it is not a manual lens.
@@Feetfetishsxits a good lens for the price. But if portrait is your priority go for 85 1.8 lens.
Yeap, i think i damaged or destroyed my Nikon D4 aperture meter. I found out the hard way, until i found this video to realized i destroyed it. I tried mounting pre-ai lens to it just like this video shown. It didn't fit so i unmount it...after that i mount my AIS lens back but to find that aperture is not changing on LCD when i turn aperture ring. 😞
Hi,
I am sorry to ear about your D4. It is a great camera.
I still can understand why isn't this issue more talked about, seeing the devastating issue it can have. I wish in camera review peoples would say "Do not attempt to use a pre-Ai lens on this body, as it might damage it". That would be a useful piece of advice to give. But no.
So don't hesitate to share this vidéo with any friends that is using Nikon cameras. You might save them from a costly mistake.
@@thatfrenchbloke8892 Yes, i searched everywhere on youtube and you are the only youtuber mentions and warn people about it. Great Job! I wish i found this information before hand.
I have 7 Nikon cameras starting with the Nikon ftn. and nikormat right up to Nikon D4S. It's too bad that they can not use all lenses on all cameras. The problem is the shutter and auto focus and aperture. They are good cameras. 🇨🇦
I agree. It is good that some type of compatibility was kept, but it is a pitty that the full compatibility wasn't kept. On the other hand, no one else makes digital SLR that can use lenses made 50 years ago without the need of some type of adaptors.
So….if I were to use vintage lenses on my D3, that’d be a problem or no?
If the vintage lens are Pre-Ai nikon lenses, yes. Anythig after 1978 and you will be fine though
Excellent video, THANK YOU
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for the explanation. Very useful
Thanks for watching, I am glad you found it useful.
Excellent video,THANK YOU 💎
Glad you enjoyed it
Indeed, I have a manual 50mm f2.0 non ais. For my Nikkormat fine but do not mount it on a dslr.
Indeed. Many people get burned because of this.
Yes if your camera has the lever shown at 5:30 and the lense does not have a cut out. Some owners did make modifications to the lenses and they are ok to use. Back then it was only $10 from Nikon
i used a 135mm f3.5 ai to my d3200..so far so good..
Yes, the D3200 do not have the max aperture sensor, so you can safely mount Pre-AI lenses on it.
the Df has same as FE mount works the EM and lower level had this problem
Thank you for the information!
You are welcome. Many people don't realize this, and since the consequences are so bad, the word need to be spread!
Hi Sir
Is there a difference between ai and ai-s lenses ?
Thanks
That is a very good question. So good, That my answer to it will be the subject of my next video.
I have several non AI lenses in Nikon mount/t mount. They work. You must set the autofocus to M (manual). And the lenses I have tried will all attach to and come off of D3200, D800E, D850, D610. Is this "much ado about nothing"????? I think so.
you are not noticing if your AI tab is broken till you try using manual AI lens in aperture priority mode
D100 and D 60 D 70 D 80 and D 90 have pins that will be damaged. Newer camera designed for type G lens with no aperture on the lens will not have problems but then you cannot control the aperture of the old lens with the camera.
thanks if i hadnt seen this i would have tried the 135 f2 i have on my d700 and would have been very sad
I am glad I could prevent you from making a costly mistake. That is all the point of this video.
Thank you so much for this!!!
You're so welcome!
Great information!
Thanks for watching!
Hi sir , I am beginner would this your explaination mean that I can not use Industar 55mm f2.8 with Fuji FX adpater M39 L39 on my Nikon d3400 af p dx? sorry for bad english
Hi, thanks for watching my video. You should be able to use this lens on your D3400 providing that you are using a M39/Nikon F adapter. The D3400 will not be able to calculate the exposure, so you will have to set the speed and aperture manually.
Remove the 'ears' and add a small piece of epoxy putty to the edge of the lens at the smallest aperture point such that it will engage the aperture tab and that beautiful preAi vintage lens will operate perfectly. I use several of these superb lenses with my D800.
I am afraid I have to disagree with you. Removing the 'ears' is fine, but useless as they are not causing any issue. In fact, the fact that a lens can be compatible with both AI and pre-AI camera is great.
But remember, the issue that put the DSLR at risk is that there is too much matter on the lip at the bottom of the lens. As such adding epoxy will not solve this issue. Pre-AI lens can be converted to be compatible with AI camera by filling out some of the lip on the apperture ring. There is lots of information about that available online. Nikon used to sell kit to convert lenses that included a replacement aperture ring.
Thanks for watching my videos.
@@thatfrenchbloke8892 think the Nikon Df is the only one digtal camera that can mount NON-Ai lenses
Can I use my AI lens on my d5600, the body doesn't have the prong you were talking about
Hi, thanks for watching. You can use pre-AI and AI lenses on you D5600, however, since that prong is not there, the camera will not be able to mesure the light. You will have to set the apperture, speed and iso manually, relying on an external cell.
AI lenses were introduced in 1977, not 1997.
True! I can't believe that I did not noticed that error during editing.
Thanks for watching.
Your "title" and premise are wrong and deceptive. I mount old manual focus lenses to my D800, D850, D3200, etc. with absolutely no problems. The camera's "autofocus" must be set to "Manual" for the easy mounting and dismount of each lens. No problem. No disaster. No repairs. - Maybe you should "re-do" your video and make a "correct" one for all people to see, including yourself!
Nowhere in the video I says that manual lens cannot be mounted on digital SLRs. I am warning you that the oldest od Nikon SLr lenses, before the Ai générations, Can damage the Ai sensing ring on cameras that are equipped with one ( not the D3200 but the D800 and D850). Maybe you should watch and listen carefully to a video before making such comments.
Et en français ça donne quoi merci
Can i use pre-AI lens on my Nikon Z5
Yes, you will need to use an ftz adapter or something similar, but to the best of my knowledge none of them have an Ai interface, so there is no risk of damage. You will have to expose manually though.
@@thatfrenchbloke8892 Thanks.
@@thatfrenchbloke8892 why would you need to expose manually? At least with my D850 which obviously is older than the Z cameras, metering and automatic exposure works no matter what is or isnt mounted. I can hold a magnifying glass up to the lens mount and the camera will properly expose an image.
@@OttoLPMaybe he means check focus at the widest aperture, then stop down as required...an extra non automatic required step?
how can I fix? mine broke
I am afraid that this repairs is well beyond my capabilities. The best would be to contact a professional camera repair shop.
Can i use ai lens on my nikon d750
sure ! You can use Ai / Ais - lenses and if you go to the Setup Menu ; NON-CPU lens data you can store up to nine lenses ! so the EXIF-Data shows the focal length and aparture. And use your lense in A or M - mode like you are used from your " analog - times " ;-) ; a short cut to the NON-CPU lens data is by usin Custom Settings f2 or f3
I'm using my 35/2.0 and 85/2.0 and 105/2.5 and some more :-)
I don't have much to add on Jochen's answer, except that not only you can, but you should!
@@jochencrazy4pix232 I’ve used a 28mm f/2.8 Ai-S on my D750 for over 5-years. It works perfectly. Compared to a modern wide angle prime it’s small, light weight and compact. The results are excellent.
Must be a French joke 😂
Please get your voice level louder and music not blasting.
Thanks for watching. You are right. This is something I am doing in my more recent videos.
solution: don't buy a medium/upper level camera if you aren't that smart.
Problem are those are not full frame!
Anyone who tries to connect a non-dedicated lens to the DSLR is asking for problems himself. That's my opinion. If you have a modern body, do not add the scrap from fifty years ago to it
Because? Nikon has been holding on to it's F-mount for over 70 years for a reason. The philosophy of this manufacturer is to provide so called - backward and forward compatibility. So the modern cameras are made to be compatible with old lenses and the other way round. Why would someone not add a 50 year "scrap" if the manufacturer did everything to make it possible. Additionally to that, some of the best lenses ever built come from 60'ties and 70'ties, that is why we use them.
I don't know why but my 35mm f2.8 manual is by far the lens that produces the best image possible and beleibe me when I say I have different lenses. Now I dream of having a tele lens something in 400mm and I don't have budget don't you think a old manual lens in second hand would be a perfect fit?
Terrible advice
My 28mm f2.8 AiS lens originally bought new in the early 1980s has worked perfectly ever since on an FM film camera, then a D200 and now a D750. Both these DSLRs have a menu setting for non-CPU lenses. You tell the body which lens you’ve mounted and it meters perfectly. Nikon publishes data as to which older lenses work on DSLRs all you need to do is check before using.