god i hate that pedal. first pedal i bought, and it made everything sound like shit... nowdays I have a handwired 5e3 and a dumble ODS/hiwatt dr103 hybrid clone plus an all analogue front end with a bunch of other wank hardware etc etc. Only thing good about that pedal was demonstrating what 'not' to sound like
People have forgotten that years ago the average consumer had very little to no access to content like this. With all the sims and pedals out there attempting to replicate these iconic tones; its blows my mind that we're at a technological point in society where we can get a demo of the real thing.🤯🙌 Really glad i found this channel; content on here is awesome!!!🔥
That is Henry J Kaiser's amp. Grandson of Henry J Kaiser the steel magnate. He is that insane jazz player who did the show that Dumble played the ZZ Top song.
@@GabrielBergman95 I owned TR/super/princeton etc and have inputted design to some of my own private custom amps.The TR does not have the "drive" in the tone that the SSS has,you can hear it crystal clear with that JBL.To my ears -deluxe,bigger power stage,jbl,Mod the midrange response would be (subjectively) as good.I really like the amp and masons interesting and informative videos.😀
@@VertexEffectsInc makes sense! I never managed to get that trem circuit to work perfectly as well! Thanks for documenting those amazing amps! And Gabe is always great, love hearing him play, great chops
@@VertexEffectsIncI'd love it if the owner sent it off to Lyle at @PsionicAudio to have the tremolo straightened out. Such an unique amp deserves to be brought up to full service!
Well… it sounds very good! I think it’s hard to really appreciate the legendaryness of such an amp through a youtube video. To me, who wasn’t in the room, it’s just a good amp sound.
Obviously a well designed and well built amp from a great engineer in Mr Dumble, but there were many talented techs around the world back in the late '60s and '70s building similar amps, though not getting any fame from it.
I recommend Jim Lill’s channel for anyone who is suspicious of these unicorns. He demystifies pretty much the whole music industry from Mic tones, cabinet tones and guitar body tones. Unreal content and makes you wonder why the hell these amps are so damn expensive. They’re pretty much Uber hot rodded Fenders.
You should do a speaker episode where you swap out a speaker see if that makes a difference for you. I know it does for hard rock and metal. But you should try it with blues and see. If so it’ll save a lot of people money as well. Speakers aren’t that expensive lol.
The cleans on this are fantastic. I don’t get the hate. As said, the JBL doesn’t sound good with anything other than cleans. I find that accurate. I’ve never played a real SSS, but the clones are crazy loud. I’m not understand all the expert comments here. Great video. Thanks for sharing a rare amp that we wouldn’t have heard otherwise
Cool demo! Never understood quite what people hear in a Dumble that you can't get in other amplifiers, but regardless it's cool to see a piece of guitar history like this.
Yea i never got it. Seems like corksniffing about “TONEZ.” Like, sure they sound great but it’s not some kind of magic and not worth 100x the price of other gear. Funny how amps like, say, the Musicmaster Bass amp were seen as cheap beginner crud for years but decades later, they’re way more revered because they’re vintage, rarer, and major artists sing their praises. But they’ve always sounded the same.
@@sc3ku It's always funny when people who aren't into particular guitar gear comment on FREE gear content that doesn't appeal to them. Why bother? It's kinda like you need the attention or something.
@@VertexEffectsInc I have a 5.1 Yamaha amp model RX-V685 with nice Cerwin Vega speakers. it has Bluetooth capability and I watched it on my cell phone. But of course anything in the signal chain will make a difference. The guitar itself. Strings, guitar pick, and even the guitar cable will influence that. (Yes I've gone down that rabbit hole). Amp settings. But yes, I feel it sounds a bit thick. Not horrendously though
I don't know man, I heard some nice sounding tube amps but I don't think I heard one quite as defined as this one. Coming from AV install world it's like you're looking at a row of high def TV's and they all look great but then you see one that's been ISF calibrated and you're like, whoa why does this one look better than the others? Whites are whiter, blacks are darker, colors pop but nothing is unnatural there's clarity and detail that's not there in the others etc...this is a remarkable sounding amp.
Not sure you'll have the time to answer this but I wanted to ask you: If you could put together a pedalboard for that Paul Jackson Jr's late 80's tone, specially that Anita Baker, No One In The World tone, what would you choose? It's such an amazing, snappy but dreamy tone, wetter than the MJ stuff. I was sad he didn't elaborate on the Anita Baker era when you asked about it, but I understood he was using the Bradshaw rack by then.
Please now compare it with your SSS SRV pedal I bought from Thomann side to side. It would prove how accurate this pedal is as an affordable alternative to this "Million dollar Baby" amp. Cheers
The vertex pedals need the Accent option and the expander Hi and Low controls added to the vertex SSS pedal. When is the Vertex SSS 2.0 version coming out?
I don’t think so, remember we have a pedal that is a preamp going into another amplifier that has its own preamp between the two EQ stages, gain stages etc. I think you can get there without it
@@seanmarshallmusic I've been looking at Amplified nation. That is most likely the route I will go. Someone told me there was one that had the steel string singer and the SSS in one amp
I don’t know that anybody makes an exact replica of this one, but there are others that report to be replicas. I can’t speak to them as I have only played this one in stood in front of John Mayer for a few hour, long rehearsal. Both sounded amazing, I’m sure the clones also sound good. We also make an amp that resembles a steel string singer, called the Dr. special custom clean.
listened the first time, just average and a litte muddy. listened again with better headphones, and with the exception of Lenny, not much improvement if at all. Pretty average tones
@@VertexEffectsInc I’m sure it will feel and respond quite differently in the room. I’m just saying under the conditions of this video and these recordings. Fun video anyways guys
You have absolutely no idea how loud it was in the room. You’re totally swinging at the piñata blindfolded - the amp was loud. There is - of course - a point of diminishing return as it relates to volume. I felt we got the amp in The Sweet Spot for what needed to be demonstrated. I would guess it was somewhere in the low 100 dB range, but again the point is to set the amp where it sounds optimal not where it’s just loud for no reason. Given that you’ve likely never played this amp or have any context whatsoever, attempting to infer that there was some sort of oversight on our end is completely unfounded. I’m surprised, frankly, then, instead of asking the questions about the volume, you immediately jumped to the conclusion that you somehow knew something that we didn’t. Unfortunately, this sort of shoot first ask questions later approach is emblematic of the Internet these days in your road the community, by taking a position of absolutes instead of inquiry.
Sounds like an effects company trying to stack the deck against the magic of these amps for the purpose of the appearance of their pedals being closer to big iron.
@@VertexEffectsInc sorry Mason, most things you do are good, I enjoy a lot of you contributions to the crazy guitarists out there. But I think the video speaks for itself and we are both allowed to have an opinion. I do not know how loud that amp was, but I do know how amps react when they are at their optimum loudness. And the optimum loudness is based on tone, the design, the player, and their ear tolerance. Big high wattage amps played clean seldom do well at low volume, hence the popularity of the Deluxe Reverb. Sorry you felt offended, but I was dissapointed
@@waynetoneseekerandersen2213is that what we're doing? Saying that the amp was low volume, and then when you're informed that it was stage volume you change the goalpost to be about how the amp - that you've never played - doesn't sound like what you would imagine it would sound like? And then when someone replies to your comment with facts, you go into a victim mentality about how you should have the right to your opinion? And then your opinion is just false information? Maybe Dumble amps are known for their cleans at high volume?
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It really takes me back to the d02 setting on my Zoom 505 back in 1999!
I guess you just saved yourself a bunch of money
@@VertexEffectsInc that was my attempt at humor.
hahaah
god i hate that pedal. first pedal i bought, and it made everything sound like shit... nowdays I have a handwired 5e3 and a dumble ODS/hiwatt dr103 hybrid clone plus an all analogue front end with a bunch of other wank hardware etc etc. Only thing good about that pedal was demonstrating what 'not' to sound like
@@bltvd no dude you nailed it. I laughed out loud literally.
Love the series on Dumbles as well as the pedals you showcase and tremendous players that you’ve been interviewing.
glad you enjoyed the video
@@GabrielBergman95 I did and I really enjoying watching you play. You’re an excellent player and you have a very sensitive approach.
People have forgotten that years ago the average consumer had very little to no access to content like this.
With all the sims and pedals out there attempting to replicate these iconic tones; its blows my mind that we're at a technological point in society where we can get a demo of the real thing.🤯🙌
Really glad i found this channel; content on here is awesome!!!🔥
good comment
What an extraordinarily normal sounding amp!
lol
Amos Garrett's solo on Maria Muldaur's Midnight At The Oasis is still one of the most difficult guitar solos ever!
Yes!!! 👍
That is Henry J Kaiser's amp. Grandson of Henry J Kaiser the steel magnate. He is that insane jazz player who did the show that Dumble played the ZZ Top song.
You might be right
Cut cut cut! Can we get more volume please let’s turn these amps up
Why would you think it wasn’t loud, of course, adjusting the levels for UA-cam but that doesn’t have anything to do with how it was recorded
it was loud in the room hah
Came her by way of Vertex, a video about Dumble amps one that was made for Amos Garret.
Glad I did, some sweet guitar playing!
today is my daughter's baby shower, she is named after this song. i just opened up this video. strange how the universe works...
Wow, congrats to her!
Olivia or Lenny lol
As a previous owner and user of several fender amps,it sounds like a deluxe with waaayyy more headroom and of course .....a jbl.Nice video
It has similarities, but has a fairly unique thing
@@VertexEffectsInc Def!It has its reference point then a unique character beyond that.I like it !
oh totally, even like a twin reverb. but just has so much more muscle compared to those amps
@@GabrielBergman95 I owned TR/super/princeton etc and have inputted design to some of my own private custom amps.The TR does not have the "drive" in the tone that the SSS has,you can hear it crystal clear with that JBL.To my ears -deluxe,bigger power stage,jbl,Mod the midrange response would be (subjectively) as good.I really like the amp and masons interesting and informative videos.😀
Steel String CLEAN Singer! Sounds awesome.
Yes, indeed
oh yess
So cool Mason, thx for showing us this awesome amp 🙏 much appreciated…
glad you enjoyed it
No matter how many dumble amp you have, it’s the player that makes it sound amazing. No more no less.
Would have loved to hear the tremolo of that amp, one of its unique features, based off an old magnatone amp
It’s cool, it was a little finicky on the amp so we decided not to use it because we couldn’t get a consistent result
@@VertexEffectsInc makes sense! I never managed to get that trem circuit to work perfectly as well! Thanks for documenting those amazing amps! And Gabe is always great, love hearing him play, great chops
Hey Rafael!
@@GabrielBergman95 Hi Gabe! Keep it up, love these Dumble amp demos!
@@VertexEffectsIncI'd love it if the owner sent it off to Lyle at @PsionicAudio to have the tremolo straightened out. Such an unique amp deserves to be brought up to full service!
Well… it sounds very good! I think it’s hard to really appreciate the legendaryness of such an amp through a youtube video. To me, who wasn’t in the room, it’s just a good amp sound.
yeah, being the room you get everything the amp has to offer sound wise
What a great sounding clean amp. Though I don't hear anything mind blowing, like would make it a holy grail and worth countless thousands of dollars.
Obviously a well designed and well built amp from a great engineer in Mr Dumble, but there were many talented techs around the world back in the late '60s and '70s building similar amps, though not getting any fame from it.
you gotta try one, it'll make a good impression
What a great sounding amp.
yesss
Recipe for perfect dumble tone , DOD BiFet boost 410 into a Fender ‘59 LTD Bassman…done.
I recommend Jim Lill’s channel for anyone who is suspicious of these unicorns. He demystifies pretty much the whole music industry from Mic tones, cabinet tones and guitar body tones. Unreal content and makes you wonder why the hell these amps are so damn expensive. They’re pretty much Uber hot rodded Fenders.
You should do a speaker episode where you swap out a speaker see if that makes a difference for you. I know it does for hard rock and metal. But you should try it with blues and see. If so it’ll save a lot of people money as well. Speakers aren’t that expensive lol.
Absolutely, speakers would make a huge difference
oh yeah, id love to hear it with a celestion!
Wondering who has the Lowell George Dumble? That would be a cool amp to review. Especially with the two compressors in the front.
The cleans on this are fantastic. I don’t get the hate. As said, the JBL doesn’t sound good with anything other than cleans. I find that accurate. I’ve never played a real SSS, but the clones are crazy loud. I’m not understand all the expert comments here. Great video. Thanks for sharing a rare amp that we wouldn’t have heard otherwise
Rig Doc. Great video. Thank you for sharing. Did you make a video with John Leventhal that you intend to post soon? Thx
Beautiful sounding amplifier and great playing ❤ 🎸 👏 👏 👏 👏
Glad you like it!
thanks!!
Yes its a great amplifier
Cool demo! Never understood quite what people hear in a Dumble that you can't get in other amplifiers, but regardless it's cool to see a piece of guitar history like this.
Yea i never got it. Seems like corksniffing about “TONEZ.” Like, sure they sound great but it’s not some kind of magic and not worth 100x the price of other gear.
Funny how amps like, say, the Musicmaster Bass amp were seen as cheap beginner crud for years but decades later, they’re way more revered because they’re vintage, rarer, and major artists sing their praises. But they’ve always sounded the same.
if you you are used to playing fender amps, playing the dumbles will be very similar but the have so much more muscle
@@sc3ku It's always funny when people who aren't into particular guitar gear comment on FREE gear content that doesn't appeal to them. Why bother? It's kinda like you need the attention or something.
Obviously in amazing amplifier rivaling a Fender Twin Reverb. But I felt it sounded a little muddy. Maybe too much low mids? I'm sure it's an EQ issue
Funny, I don’t get that, I wonder what you’re listening through.
@@VertexEffectsInc I have a 5.1 Yamaha amp model RX-V685 with nice Cerwin Vega speakers. it has Bluetooth capability and I watched it on my cell phone. But of course anything in the signal chain will make a difference. The guitar itself. Strings, guitar pick, and even the guitar cable will influence that. (Yes I've gone down that rabbit hole). Amp settings. But yes, I feel it sounds a bit thick. Not horrendously though
hmm interesting
I don't know man, I heard some nice sounding tube amps but I don't think I heard one quite as defined as this one. Coming from AV install world it's like you're looking at a row of high def TV's and they all look great but then you see one that's been ISF calibrated and you're like, whoa why does this one look better than the others? Whites are whiter, blacks are darker, colors pop but nothing is unnatural there's clarity and detail that's not there in the others etc...this is a remarkable sounding amp.
Where's the Kemper & ToneX captures? 😉
We were not empowered by the owner to capture these things
@@VertexEffectsInc Aww that's a shame, would be nice to preserve history.
hmmmmm. nooo hah
Not sure you'll have the time to answer this but I wanted to ask you: If you could put together a pedalboard for that Paul Jackson Jr's late 80's tone, specially that Anita Baker, No One In The World tone, what would you choose? It's such an amazing, snappy but dreamy tone, wetter than the MJ stuff. I was sad he didn't elaborate on the Anita Baker era when you asked about it, but I understood he was using the Bradshaw rack by then.
Please now compare it with your SSS SRV pedal I bought from Thomann side to side. It would prove how accurate this pedal is as an affordable alternative to this "Million dollar Baby" amp. Cheers
cool to see these amazing amps. Hopefully we can get someone different to demo them!
glad you enjoy them
Just curious, is there going to be some content on this channel other than John Mayer or SRV related stuff? Still like it tho!
The content is FREE and you b*tch about what Vertex chooses to put out??? WOW, what an entitled little child.
this is the first time i think JM or SRV has been mentioned in a video in the past 6 months hahah
I want Gabe’s job.
Yes! We’re lucky to have him
im down, we can switch for a day! Can i play your DGT though?
@@GabrielBergman95 any time you want!!
Dumble made 100W 4x6L6 and 150W 4x6550 SSS's. What power tubes were in SSS 001? I know that David Lindley's SSS was a 100W 4x6L6 model.
not sure in this specific amp
SSS 1,2,3,4 are 100 watt 6l6 models!
5 - probably serial ~28 (more weren’t built )
150 watts 6550 tubes
I would like to see a gut shot of the chassis.
hmm thats complicated hah
Amos Garrett played arguably the greatest guitar solos of all time - midnight at the oasis
The vertex pedals need the Accent option and the expander Hi and Low controls added to the vertex SSS pedal. When is the Vertex SSS 2.0 version coming out?
I don’t think so, remember we have a pedal that is a preamp going into another amplifier that has its own preamp between the two EQ stages, gain stages etc. I think you can get there without it
@@VertexEffectsInc the dumble expander hi and low is not a stock tone stack it's different than a fender,marshall,vox tone stack?
I'm looking for an awesome steel string singer alternative does anyone know one that would be a good fit?
@@seanmarshallmusic I've been looking at Amplified nation. That is most likely the route I will go. Someone told me there was one that had the steel string singer and the SSS in one amp
@@seanmarshallmusic just looking at your page good stuff! I followed.
I don’t know that anybody makes an exact replica of this one, but there are others that report to be replicas. I can’t speak to them as I have only played this one in stood in front of John Mayer for a few hour, long rehearsal. Both sounded amazing, I’m sure the clones also sound good. We also make an amp that resembles a steel string singer, called the Dr. special custom clean.
@VertexEffectsInc awesome I will check it out! I've been playing through a Twin Reverb most of the time. And I just love that super clean sound.
Can u imagine EJ fuzz into a TS-9 on this!
Great sounds and playing. Although, would be nice if the jams were longer and more uninhibited.
Should have asked Mayer to come play it
he didnt respond to my text
What year is it?
What year was this amp made?
Now I"m not trying to steal...
lol
Dumble is to Fender as Friedman is to Marshall
High praise
kind of
Cool can I get one on your store lol? I’ll take two.
Mason I think you play better. Little more that fire needed for a strat player.
Dude made every song he played look dead easy
The trademark of a great player
haha thanks man, lots of practice
Mostly sounds like a Fender amp. Doesn't sound as deviated as the ODS.
How much ya this thing cost
I really hate this whole not being filthy rich thing.
Lol
haha
listened the first time, just average and a litte muddy. listened again with better headphones, and with the exception of Lenny, not much improvement if at all. Pretty average tones
Sounds almost as good as my hot rod deluxe v1. Not impressed by that, at all.
hot rod deluxe is the greatest amp in the world
Tones not unlike my ampeg reverbrocket with a Mxr super comp in front.
The only way to really know is to put it in the exact same condition.
interesting
so it sounds pretty average (under the conditions of this video)😂
I guess the only way to know is, if you put other average amps in there and see how it compares.
maybe next video we compare it with my hot rod deluxe
@@VertexEffectsInc I’m sure it will feel and respond quite differently in the room. I’m just saying under the conditions of this video and these recordings. Fun video anyways guys
Yah, if you play it a that kind of extreme low volume it is going to sound like any amp. Not a great video. Put it over 104 db in the room, please
Truth
You have absolutely no idea how loud it was in the room. You’re totally swinging at the piñata blindfolded - the amp was loud. There is - of course - a point of diminishing return as it relates to volume. I felt we got the amp in The Sweet Spot for what needed to be demonstrated. I would guess it was somewhere in the low 100 dB range, but again the point is to set the amp where it sounds optimal not where it’s just loud for no reason. Given that you’ve likely never played this amp or have any context whatsoever, attempting to infer that there was some sort of oversight on our end is completely unfounded. I’m surprised, frankly, then, instead of asking the questions about the volume, you immediately jumped to the conclusion that you somehow knew something that we didn’t. Unfortunately, this sort of shoot first ask questions later approach is emblematic of the Internet these days in your road the community, by taking a position of absolutes instead of inquiry.
Sounds like an effects company trying to stack the deck against the magic of these amps for the purpose of the appearance of their pedals being closer to big iron.
@@VertexEffectsInc sorry Mason, most things you do are good, I enjoy a lot of you contributions to the crazy guitarists out there. But I think the video speaks for itself and we are both allowed to have an opinion.
I do not know how loud that amp was, but I do know how amps react when they are at their optimum loudness. And the optimum loudness is based on tone, the design, the player, and their ear tolerance. Big high wattage amps played clean seldom do well at low volume, hence the popularity of the Deluxe Reverb. Sorry you felt offended, but I was dissapointed
@@waynetoneseekerandersen2213is that what we're doing? Saying that the amp was low volume, and then when you're informed that it was stage volume you change the goalpost to be about how the amp - that you've never played - doesn't sound like what you would imagine it would sound like? And then when someone replies to your comment with facts, you go into a victim mentality about how you should have the right to your opinion? And then your opinion is just false information?
Maybe Dumble amps are known for their cleans at high volume?
This amp sounds similar to my Kustom "72 coupe 2x12 is that normal?!
Kustom Coupe ‘72 blows this out of the water
Hint just get an ampeg svt