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Trying to kill someone by card draw with bumbleflower feels like a joke as a point. WTF, she is either +1/+1 commander deck or a card draw, and she can do both extremely well.
Iv played against Arabella, and unless your just constantly remove her from the game people are going to be taken out of the game very quickly. Also being in red there are so many haste enablers that you could have a board of low power creatures and just take everyone out in one swing of Arabella. At the very least she is B tier if not low A tier.
This is one of my best decks and I've hardly optimized it. It's low cost and hits every player on attack. It's so easy to get a lot of tiny creatures/tokens on the board VERY early and put some protection on Arabella. It's a high B for sure.
Baylen + Token Doublers + Hare Apparent is just so satisfying to pull, because you get to a point where you draw your entire Deck (especially if you have Skull Clamp) and get it to astronomical stats.
A fact you're forgetting with Giada... You said removal would destroy this deck and there would be no coming back from it. Dude, white has amazing graveyard recursion
leylines, plus cascade in these colors not to mention all the busted enchantments there are in these colors. Ive seen some top tier bello decks he is kill on site commander for sure.
giada? C tier? dayum! you've done her dirty :c I know it's personal/subjective but I just can't agree that one of the best mono white edh is that low XD
amanitou Is getting short changed here. Her decks can do some crazy stuff with the right build. and honestly Valgavoth is better in nekusar decks than he is.
Bello is my main commander deck. He is absolutely not D tier. There is just so many crazy things you can do by turn 5. You rank him so low cause you see him and think, hmm he's slow and the things you have to play are expensive. Oh boy how far from the truth you are. You fall under the same trap as everyone else who undervalues just how big of a threat the trash panda actually is. Nature's Will+Aggravated Assault means endless combat. You throw in cards like The Great Henge and The One Ring, you can gain infinite life and easily draw your entire deck. Even without The One Ring and Aggravated Assault, I've drawn my entire deck on turn 5 or 6 before. The deck has so much ramp and mana dorks, you are swimming in mana after the first few turns. My friends feel dread after facing Giggling Skitterspike just once. Not to mention Unnatural Growth, Gratuitous Violence, or Fiery Emancipation, partnered with Echoing Assault means you are getting two copies of one of the aforementioned cards. Imagine two Fiery Emancipations on the board, that's six times damage. Paired with Giggling Skitterspike, you're dealing to everyone a minimal of 24 damage before anything actually attacks. But then, stack that with something like Roaming Throne, and that's three Fiery Emancipations. Bringing up the previous combo to 72 damage minimal to everyone at the start of combat. Bello also offers unique protection to things you play because you don't really need many creatures on the board. The deck is very resistant to a vast majority of common types of board wipes and general removal. This is mainly due to board wipes generally being sorceries which won't hit the main pieces in a Bello deck. Bello himself is so cheap to recast, and the fact that you ramp so much, it's difficult to keep Bello off the board. It makes targeted removal often a waste to use on Bello. Even Farewell which can remove key pieces from the board often only hinders a Bello deck. Also offering indestructible to key pieces on your turn to hasted creatures makes is a challenge to other players to defend from. Do you chump block your own mana dorks? Do you let the Bello player draw cards? Both results in the Bello player's gameplan snowballing very quickly. I cannot in good faith accept how low you rank Bello. You do the Raccoon Bard injustice by placing him so low. There's a lot of other good utility cards, bombs, and even ridiculous combo pieces that are disguising to use. There are combos you can do that locks everyone else out of the game. There's several stax pieces that make it terrible to play against. I advise you to reevaluate Bello, and even try playing with the deck yourself. You'll come to realize just how scary the trash panda really is.
With my goblin deck, I take advantage of the commander ability, a mill hell out of my opponent with the author of the brood. And I got 2 red enchantments that's go whenever a creature were power, 2 or less attacked, that player take one damage for each attacking creature.
Last commander game i partook in had to be a fast one due to time restrictions (about to do a sealed event so had to finish it fast). I chose my Nekusar deck, and my 2 opponents played Valgavoth (version on here) and Yurlok. It was FAST and sooooo damn violent, probably the most violent i've ever partaken in, but also one of the funniest games i've played in a long time 😂 it's so liberating when everyone agrees on going totally ballistic, and it just shows how damn effective the commanders are.
elf ball is mono green, making it celesnia is the best combo, golgari is second, gruul is the slowest. just being able to not need to swing is an advantage.
I pulled a raised foil Baylen from my one and only BLB collector booster pack...needless to say I have since put a lot of effort into building a deck around them.
27:02 I don't think it would work like that. Omniscence is an enchantment, not a creature, and the reminder text says that you can flip it face up if it's a creature. I don't think "if it's a creature" is talking about if it is a 2/2 creature as a result of manifesting dread.
he means using zimones other effect, which when a land enters you can flip up a face down permanent. Evolving wilds, put omniscience face down, crack evolving wilds search forest, flip omniscience face up.
It’s so funny to see all the casuals in these comments, I knew the moment I saw this video that there would be large gathering of players arguing that their consistent Turn 5-6 wins constitute an A or S tier Commander. Realistically, I don’t understand why Kinnan or Kenrith are even ON THIS LIST, because none of the other Commanders even belong in B tier if they’re on the list, besides maybe Storm and Baylan at B. No one should be playing Kinnan or Storm at a Casual Pod (Kenrith can be built casually, though), they’re cEDH decks. Also, what was the criteria for being ranked on this list? It seems like such a half assed concept, ranking tons of Commanders from different time periods against each other, what is the POINT?! If it was ranking recent Commanders, why is Kinnan and Kenrith here? If Kinnan and Kenrith are here to provide context on power, why is Nekusar here?! I must’ve missed something in the video somewhere, because it seems like the Commander choices were completely random hogwash…
One of my friends in my pod plays Kinnan and has a lot of Eldrazi even the banned Emrakul (dk how to spell it) in that deck and our pod is meant for casual play. F*ckin hate Kinnan and any Eldrazi
Krenko you’re better off just using Patriar’s seal, umbral mantle, and thousand year elixir since they’re repeatable and umbral can easily make infinite goblins
Jesus, jimmies were rustled in the comments section lol. I can’t wait to have to come back and edit this when my commanders are disrespected. Edit: YUP! Valgavoth was placed far too low. Nekusar was also placed in B tier. The quintessential “kill on sight” commander, the one known for making games not fun. And it’s a power rank of B. Just no lol. Valgavoth is a B. Nekusar is A at least, if not S. To be fair to every other commander in the list, some of these are casual bombs while others are competitive bombs, and they shouldn’t have been compared together.
Still only need a deep wallet and a online card list to not lose every game. Taking my first break from my once a week magic day, the game is getting really bad. Shouldn't have to spend hundreds on commander decks, people are horrible, and completely full of sh*t. When hasbro can't feed off of pay pigs anymore and the game crashes..good. Maybe the spoiled people who ruin the things I like can have what they like ruined. If I could somehow take it away from then and ruin it for them I would.
Aminatou in C tier? Nah she's too slow unfortunately. You have to go through quite a lot of hoops to relevant but i guess it also depends on the power level.
I don't agree with you that Storm is an S tier commander. I don't see how it possibly stands up against zur and etc. Storm feels like a commander where you would typically win turn 5-8 if you weren't interrupted. I have an Estrid the mask deck and she's strong, but I'd reckon she's as strong as Strom Force of Nature is if not stronger..... (I do run Nexus of Fate and savor the moment in my estrid deck).
I think A is a better fit. She’s S in concept, but is easily interacted with and stopped with basic removal. I know “dies to removal” is a joke at this point, but due to her play pattern if she is destroyed, you can lose all the work you did before combat, essentially wasting a turn
My own top not in order: S - Lathril, Kinnan, Kenrith A - Giada, Krenko, Storm, Iron-Man, Baylen B - Ballon, Zimone, Arabella, Arcades, Nekusar, C - Bumbleflower, Wolverine, Capt. America, Valgavoth D - Bello, Marina
Im sorry but i hardcore disagree with alot of this list. Theres so much more to these commanders than just creating infinite loops. I think you really missed the mark on alot of these.
You don't have much charisma at the table do you? it takes a certain type of person to win with bumbleflower you have to be political there are many elements to winning a game not just with the cards themselves thats where the poker skills come into play
Most seasoned players aren’t going to fall for the Bumbleflower gimmick. No amount of enemy card draw is going to convince me to let her live when she starts adding 1+1 counters and flying to an entire board
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Trying to kill someone by card draw with bumbleflower feels like a joke as a point. WTF, she is either +1/+1 commander deck or a card draw, and she can do both extremely well.
Iv played against Arabella, and unless your just constantly remove her from the game people are going to be taken out of the game very quickly. Also being in red there are so many haste enablers that you could have a board of low power creatures and just take everyone out in one swing of Arabella. At the very least she is B tier if not low A tier.
This is one of my best decks and I've hardly optimized it. It's low cost and hits every player on attack. It's so easy to get a lot of tiny creatures/tokens on the board VERY early and put some protection on Arabella. It's a high B for sure.
My sayin Arabella is one of those if you really balance it out you gon win fast af. Should be A trier.
Bro is so impressed by eminence he forgot to even mention the Ur-Dragon and Edgar Markov
Baylen + Token Doublers + Hare Apparent is just so satisfying to pull, because you get to a point where you draw your entire Deck (especially if you have Skull Clamp) and get it to astronomical stats.
just built this deck its so much fun. its kumena but sooooo much better.
A fact you're forgetting with Giada... You said removal would destroy this deck and there would be no coming back from it. Dude, white has amazing graveyard recursion
The giada slander is insane in this video.
Idc I'd still build a Giada commander deck...also when will Emeria the Sky Ruin get reprinted its hella expensive where I'm from
Please do not sleep on my boy Bello again
I love bello, but it's really slow and largely leaves you open on your turn. Super fun to play still.
It’s weird how people think red and green is too slow. Or how 4 is a high cmc for a green deck. I don’t know what game everyone else is playing.
@@exiledark6573 Fr, I have that deck and out of the box it ramps like crazy. Don’t know how anyone can think it’s slow tbh (except CEDH) players.
leylines, plus cascade in these colors not to mention all the busted enchantments there are in these colors. Ive seen some top tier bello decks he is kill on site commander for sure.
Almost turned off the video with the arabella disrespect
I haven’t even built her and she’s AT LEAST B tier
@TZKGuy it's easily my strongest deck. Fast as hell if you build it right, and white offers plenty of protection
giada? C tier? dayum! you've done her dirty :c
I know it's personal/subjective but I just can't agree that one of the best mono white edh is that low XD
amanitou Is getting short changed here. Her decks can do some crazy stuff with the right build. and honestly Valgavoth is better in nekusar decks than he is.
There are enough enchantment tutors to make it compatible. 🤷🏻♂️
I’m running Valgavoth in my Nekusar 99 lmao.
Ur-Dragon my beloved 😂
I love Arabella! And my pod hates her 😂
Same
Ms. Bumbleflower, Smothing Tithe and Shrieking Drake
Bello is my main commander deck. He is absolutely not D tier. There is just so many crazy things you can do by turn 5. You rank him so low cause you see him and think, hmm he's slow and the things you have to play are expensive. Oh boy how far from the truth you are. You fall under the same trap as everyone else who undervalues just how big of a threat the trash panda actually is.
Nature's Will+Aggravated Assault means endless combat. You throw in cards like The Great Henge and The One Ring, you can gain infinite life and easily draw your entire deck. Even without The One Ring and Aggravated Assault, I've drawn my entire deck on turn 5 or 6 before.
The deck has so much ramp and mana dorks, you are swimming in mana after the first few turns.
My friends feel dread after facing Giggling Skitterspike just once. Not to mention Unnatural Growth, Gratuitous Violence, or Fiery Emancipation, partnered with Echoing Assault means you are getting two copies of one of the aforementioned cards. Imagine two Fiery Emancipations on the board, that's six times damage. Paired with Giggling Skitterspike, you're dealing to everyone a minimal of 24 damage before anything actually attacks. But then, stack that with something like Roaming Throne, and that's three Fiery Emancipations. Bringing up the previous combo to 72 damage minimal to everyone at the start of combat.
Bello also offers unique protection to things you play because you don't really need many creatures on the board. The deck is very resistant to a vast majority of common types of board wipes and general removal. This is mainly due to board wipes generally being sorceries which won't hit the main pieces in a Bello deck. Bello himself is so cheap to recast, and the fact that you ramp so much, it's difficult to keep Bello off the board. It makes targeted removal often a waste to use on Bello. Even Farewell which can remove key pieces from the board often only hinders a Bello deck. Also offering indestructible to key pieces on your turn to hasted creatures makes is a challenge to other players to defend from. Do you chump block your own mana dorks? Do you let the Bello player draw cards? Both results in the Bello player's gameplan snowballing very quickly.
I cannot in good faith accept how low you rank Bello. You do the Raccoon Bard injustice by placing him so low. There's a lot of other good utility cards, bombs, and even ridiculous combo pieces that are disguising to use. There are combos you can do that locks everyone else out of the game. There's several stax pieces that make it terrible to play against. I advise you to reevaluate Bello, and even try playing with the deck yourself. You'll come to realize just how scary the trash panda really is.
Mirror of the forebears, molten echoes, mirror March, and banner of kinship are pretty fun in a Bello deck.
You got a decklist? Sounds fun
With my goblin deck, I take advantage of the commander ability, a mill hell out of my opponent with the author of the brood. And I got 2 red enchantments that's go whenever a creature were power, 2 or less attacked, that player take one damage for each attacking creature.
Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy is essentially the same card design as Loot, Exuberant Explorer but with blue and targeting mana dorks instead of landfall.
Last commander game i partook in had to be a fast one due to time restrictions (about to do a sealed event so had to finish it fast). I chose my Nekusar deck, and my 2 opponents played Valgavoth (version on here) and Yurlok. It was FAST and sooooo damn violent, probably the most violent i've ever partaken in, but also one of the funniest games i've played in a long time 😂 it's so liberating when everyone agrees on going totally ballistic, and it just shows how damn effective the commanders are.
elf ball is mono green, making it celesnia is the best combo, golgari is second, gruul is the slowest. just being able to not need to swing is an advantage.
I pulled a raised foil Baylen from my one and only BLB collector booster pack...needless to say I have since put a lot of effort into building a deck around them.
arabella player here, count yo days
Arabella has legit become one of my most fun decks to play if left untouched for too long on attack everyone’s getting hit for 60+🤣
Giada 😢
Giada in angel tribal absolutely stomps.
Why does everyone hate on Bello? I absolutely love my Bello deck. And Krenko should be higher, goblins have a good number of accessible wincons.
27:02 I don't think it would work like that. Omniscence is an enchantment, not a creature, and the reminder text says that you can flip it face up if it's a creature. I don't think "if it's a creature" is talking about if it is a 2/2 creature as a result of manifesting dread.
he means using zimones other effect, which when a land enters you can flip up a face down permanent. Evolving wilds, put omniscience face down, crack evolving wilds search forest, flip omniscience face up.
Came to see Jodah, saw ma little man baylen and am fine
I think Lathril is a kill on sight level commander
It’s so funny to see all the casuals in these comments, I knew the moment I saw this video that there would be large gathering of players arguing that their consistent Turn 5-6 wins constitute an A or S tier Commander. Realistically, I don’t understand why Kinnan or Kenrith are even ON THIS LIST, because none of the other Commanders even belong in B tier if they’re on the list, besides maybe Storm and Baylan at B. No one should be playing Kinnan or Storm at a Casual Pod (Kenrith can be built casually, though), they’re cEDH decks.
Also, what was the criteria for being ranked on this list? It seems like such a half assed concept, ranking tons of Commanders from different time periods against each other, what is the POINT?! If it was ranking recent Commanders, why is Kinnan and Kenrith here? If Kinnan and Kenrith are here to provide context on power, why is Nekusar here?! I must’ve missed something in the video somewhere, because it seems like the Commander choices were completely random hogwash…
One of my friends in my pod plays Kinnan and has a lot of Eldrazi even the banned Emrakul (dk how to spell it) in that deck and our pod is meant for casual play. F*ckin hate Kinnan and any Eldrazi
Putting Baylen in B is crazy. S+
Krenko you’re better off just using Patriar’s seal, umbral mantle, and thousand year elixir since they’re repeatable and umbral can easily make infinite goblins
What about Black Panther
Giada in tier d is crazy talk. The deck tends to be so strong 😅
Valgavoth is so much fun!!
Derevi is pretty broken. Infinite combos or prison lock down varieties are both very powerful
I can see that you never played with arabella 😂 if so scary kills you easy every time at turn 5
Lets make a tier list with a lot of disagreed comments in order to let the algorythm share it a lot.
Hold my beer
Miss bumbleflower in D tier ??? Thems fighting words 😭
Jesus, jimmies were rustled in the comments section lol. I can’t wait to have to come back and edit this when my commanders are disrespected.
Edit: YUP! Valgavoth was placed far too low. Nekusar was also placed in B tier. The quintessential “kill on sight” commander, the one known for making games not fun. And it’s a power rank of B. Just no lol. Valgavoth is a B. Nekusar is A at least, if not S.
To be fair to every other commander in the list, some of these are casual bombs while others are competitive bombs, and they shouldn’t have been compared together.
Two of my commanders in Solid B tier. Yet they draw S tier salt at my LGS.
Where did this list come from?
Stella Lee the goat
ya, I use Eiska as my Angel Commander, well, her gate side anyway.
Leonardo is an A easy lowest could be a high B but I would put it in A because it wins with infinite mana turn 5
Where's my boy Master of Keys!?!?
But my baby maker zinnia
Still only need a deep wallet and a online card list to not lose every game. Taking my first break from my once a week magic day, the game is getting really bad. Shouldn't have to spend hundreds on commander decks, people are horrible, and completely full of sh*t. When hasbro can't feed off of pay pigs anymore and the game crashes..good. Maybe the spoiled people who ruin the things I like can have what they like ruined. If I could somehow take it away from then and ruin it for them I would.
Why Is Edgar Markov not considered in this list???
Is It a low level Commander?
Wining turn 4 and 5 Leonardo da Vinci
I challenge you to play against my krenko deck. Use whatever you want. Ill show you C Tier...
Aminatou in C tier? Nah she's too slow unfortunately. You have to go through quite a lot of hoops to relevant but i guess it also depends on the power level.
What happened with najeela?
I don't agree with you that Storm is an S tier commander. I don't see how it possibly stands up against zur and etc. Storm feels like a commander where you would typically win turn 5-8 if you weren't interrupted. I have an Estrid the mask deck and she's strong, but I'd reckon she's as strong as Strom Force of Nature is if not stronger..... (I do run Nexus of Fate and savor the moment in my estrid deck).
I think A is a better fit. She’s S in concept, but is easily interacted with and stopped with basic removal.
I know “dies to removal” is a joke at this point, but due to her play pattern if she is destroyed, you can lose all the work you did before combat, essentially wasting a turn
Powerful or popular?
Lots of popular commander that are missing
Krenko in C tier...??? Wow... Just wow...
Where is atraxa??
Wow. He really hating on everybody, ain’t he?
Ironman, Cpt. America, Wolverine... Sigh.....
Bro giada is B-A you whack for this one
Valgavoth is insane L
My own top not in order:
S - Lathril, Kinnan, Kenrith
A - Giada, Krenko, Storm, Iron-Man, Baylen
B - Ballon, Zimone, Arabella, Arcades, Nekusar,
C - Bumbleflower, Wolverine, Capt. America, Valgavoth
D - Bello, Marina
Im sorry but i hardcore disagree with alot of this list. Theres so much more to these commanders than just creating infinite loops. I think you really missed the mark on alot of these.
Leonardo da Vinci where is Leonardo da Vinci I even have it at a cEDH level
How? List?
Too much complaining from this channel
You don't have much charisma at the table do you? it takes a certain type of person to win with bumbleflower you have to be political there are many elements to winning a game not just with the cards themselves thats where the poker skills come into play
Most seasoned players aren’t going to fall for the Bumbleflower gimmick.
No amount of enemy card draw is going to convince me to let her live when she starts adding 1+1 counters and flying to an entire board
sad Nekusar is B
I hate the Marvel BS
I do not agree with the placement for Bello.