"The point is not to prevent the war, the point is to win the war." Those kinds of words are only ever spoken by people who don't expect to lose much no matter the outcome.
It’s funny since Mars is political and intense emotionally motivated. The Belt are motivated by intense emotions with a side of politics, Earth is more political with a side of intense emotions and the Rocinante is just luck with the sides of the other two.
"There's been a mutiny aboard the Agatha King and UNN ships are firing on each other. If we engage, it will only unite them to turn their weapons on us. If they want to destroy each other, we will let them." The actor who plays Kirino delivers that final line with a distinct edge that stays with me. There's a lot of battle scenes in sci-fi but rarely hear this kind of meaningful level headed statement by a military character in a series.
Nice quote. Neal Stephenson does a great job on this with one of his books where you are approaching a military confrontation. It happens and 90% of the characters you were reading about are pretty quickly dead. He gives a nice feel for how far things have to come off the rails to be depending on war to solve your problem. The war is going be much much worse than all the problems you had before hand. I'd also agree you don't want to lose the war but best if you can to avoid it.
@@generalpatton3 Terrible memory. I want to say Cryptinomicon. I'll go try to find it. I had a book going in one direction war started up and characters just started getting exed.
And she ended up being 100% correct in the end. That transmission caused immense infighting between the Terran forces to the point that they all began firing upon one another and all the Martian fleet had to do was just… turn around and fly back home. You got your enemy to unravel completely without firing a single bullet and got to return home with your entire fleet and all their crew members alive and accounted for. That’s what I call a great military mind, if I do say so myself.
Kirino was one of my favorite characters because of this entire sequence. Unfortunately, when she was re-introduced later, she behaved in a manner completely out of the character that they had established for her. I have to presume that her later re-introduction was done to substitute her in the place of another character from the books, rather then introduce an entirely new character to the show. It's the only thing that, in my mind, explains why she acted later like an entirely different person. I also liked Klaes Ashford, and enjoyed watching the development of Drummer's character. Naturally, like everyone else, I loved "The Expanse's" Daryl, Amos Burton. He was, indeed, "that guy."
I agree, I found her behaviour later to be slightly jarring and out of character. That totally reckless assault on the ring station was just odd but yes she was probably being used to mash characters together.
Season 6 was very rushed due to time constraints, but I'd really wish we got to know why she suddenly acted so rash, when she previously, as in this clip, was so careful in comparison.
She’s fighting earthers here. Later, she’s fighting belters. From a “typical racist” mindset - Earth is an equal, belters are subhuman scum. It may be little more than that - if that’s her mindset she doesn’t care if the belters die, and she doesn’t think they’re a real threat to her people. Even wise people are not wise on all things.
The way they handled her in S6 was definitely jarring and out of character. But I think they could have had her end up the same, but just framed it differently and more plausibly. For instance, frame it as a sneak attack on Medina station by an MCRN stealth ship squadron specifically composed to overpower all the known Free Navy forces inside the ring space. It’s plausible that ever since the FN destroyed the Earth and Mars sentry ships guarding the Ring, that Earth and Mars had telescopes monitoring the ring from a distance and counting all FN forces assembling inside the ring space. Thus they could have formed a stealth strike group capable of taking out those forces, and there was some pressure to do it sooner rather than later so as not to give FN any more time to consolidate forces inside the Ring. Of course they had no way of knowing FN was receiving proto-tech reinforcements from Laconia system, so the outcome would still have been the same, but the reasoning for it less out of character at least.
Amen to that. Some visuals right at the end of were a tad suspect (the Pella under camoflage for example), but yeah it was excellent generally as a show
I hate when people use the word "underrated" for The Expanse... It's not underrated, it has like 9 or 10/10 ratings everywhere. It's just not well known. Underrated suggests something like "Oh it has bad ratings but fanboys say it's amazing" for a person that hasn't seen it
Like the recent Planet of the Apes films: they were well received and fairly successful but compared to other popular film series out there they are small fish despite being insanely well crafted and well written. Underrated essentially means to me if expressed as an exclamation: why isn't this more popular?!
By politics she means... “Lies, omissions, misrepresentations and obfuscations presented as truths...” Usually by people who profit from the war and don’t expect to be personally involved with the consequences, work and dangers.
This was the scene I appreciate the most. This is not underrated, this scene and words stamped into my mind. This is how diplomat leaders of world peace should be
Kirino is one of my favorite TV ship captains. If they made a spinoff featuring Kirino and the MCRN Hammurabi, I'd probably watch it. That's saying something, considering she probably had no more than 30 minutes of total screen time.
I wish she played a greater role in the future seasons. I hate that her future self makes the opposite choice to this one and doesn't live long enough to regret her rashness. Brilliant actor and great dialog! 10 stars
"That's great a noble sir, but we are in a shooting war and I prefer to win it." "That is why I am the captain, and you will be nothing more than an XO."
The thing that makes the expanse different is that the writers cared about science, especially physics, and try to make the show as credible scientifically as the acting, plot lines and special effects. Other shows have either superhero tech or superhero people/aliens, endless space battles, etc. Emphasis on the fi with no appreciation for sci.
Except for that time they dropped a wrench against the side of their ship and it whizzing away in the distance.... oops... luckily it was very early, so people just ignored it....
Hey, let's give this super important station to Holden, the guy with a moral conscience of a 6 year old. Holden: And that's why I'm giving this station over to the Belt, who will totally not screw over everyone else.. The Belt: Finally it's our time to screw over everyone else.... again! Holden: I am Shocked! Simply shocked!
My only disappointment was that it was only 3 seasons. This show had so much more potential to go far beyond the 3rd season, but alas, economics got in the way. Still by far one of of the best sci-fi shows EVER made.
There's only one problem with this scene. No military commander would've done what she did. That information would've been tight-beamed to Mars High Command 15 minutes after she received it. They would've been the ones to make the call to cease fire as they sought clarification (and only if Earth had agreed to the cease fire).
@@crystallineentity chatGPT-4 seems to show uncanny signs of intelligence already :) Let's hope we will treat our cylons well so they don't rise up against us :) I do like Caprica Six and Boomer
the video titel make it clear: they mean these scene in particular is underrated, not the whole show. did you remember this scene befor seeing this youtube-video?
The show was great, but I'm making my way through the books now and omg the show completely ruined Naomi. Most other things they improved but christ Naomi is unbearable compared to her original counterpart in the books
if you werent sold after 4th episode of 1st season you will definitely not like it. First three seasons (and books) were exceptional. 4-6 were quite ok. 7-9 (only books) really good but it was too much like any other space operas
I wish I could enjoy this show but the acting and writing is just sub par. I love sci-fi and the attention to reality this show brings, but I can’t get over the boring dialog and poor acting. Maybe in another 10-20 years this will get a reboot and be better.
"The point is not to prevent the war, the point is to win the war." Those kinds of words are only ever spoken by people who don't expect to lose much no matter the outcome.
or those wise enough to not ignore the si vis pacem para bellum time-tested unkind words.
“War is an unstable combination of 3 things, intense emotion, politics, and luck”
Also, Earth, Mars and The Belt ;)
It’s funny since Mars is political and intense emotionally motivated. The Belt are motivated by intense emotions with a side of politics, Earth is more political with a side of intense emotions and the Rocinante is just luck with the sides of the other two.
"There's been a mutiny aboard the Agatha King and UNN ships are firing on each other. If we engage, it will only unite them to turn their weapons on us. If they want to destroy each other, we will let them."
The actor who plays Kirino delivers that final line with a distinct edge that stays with me. There's a lot of battle scenes in sci-fi but rarely hear this kind of meaningful level headed statement by a military character in a series.
“Now I want to talk to the UNN.”
"To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill."
-Sun Tzu
Nice quote. Neal Stephenson does a great job on this with one of his books where you are approaching a military confrontation. It happens and 90% of the characters you were reading about are pretty quickly dead. He gives a nice feel for how far things have to come off the rails to be depending on war to solve your problem. The war is going be much much worse than all the problems you had before hand. I'd also agree you don't want to lose the war but best if you can to avoid it.
Which book is that???
@@generalpatton3 Terrible memory. I want to say Cryptinomicon. I'll go try to find it. I had a book going in one direction war started up and characters just started getting exed.
@@biffstrong1079 Thank you! Sounds like a fascinating read.
“We may not be interested in this war, but it is interested in us." Fannie Hurst
Even if it's not Cryptonomicon, it is a great read and worth your time.
Best sci-fi show EVER.
Definitely one of them.
By far the best ever.
And yet, finished. Sigh.
@@derekortiz3663 Nicely finished, though. A complete story, sensible consequences, and a satisfying ending without ribbons or bows.
I would not say the best but definitely up there with the best. The 2003 BSG was pretty fuckin' epic as well if you ask me.
And she ended up being 100% correct in the end. That transmission caused immense infighting between the Terran forces to the point that they all began firing upon one another and all the Martian fleet had to do was just… turn around and fly back home. You got your enemy to unravel completely without firing a single bullet and got to return home with your entire fleet and all their crew members alive and accounted for. That’s what I call a great military mind, if I do say so myself.
Shame she got a lil too triggerhappy in season 6. Guess it came with the admirals uniform^^
Kirino was one of my favorite characters because of this entire sequence. Unfortunately, when she was re-introduced later, she behaved in a manner completely out of the character that they had established for her. I have to presume that her later re-introduction was done to substitute her in the place of another character from the books, rather then introduce an entirely new character to the show. It's the only thing that, in my mind, explains why she acted later like an entirely different person.
I also liked Klaes Ashford, and enjoyed watching the development of Drummer's character.
Naturally, like everyone else, I loved "The Expanse's" Daryl, Amos Burton. He was, indeed, "that guy."
I agree, I found her behaviour later to be slightly jarring and out of character. That totally reckless assault on the ring station was just odd but yes she was probably being used to mash characters together.
Season 6 was very rushed due to time constraints, but I'd really wish we got to know why she suddenly acted so rash, when she previously, as in this clip, was so careful in comparison.
She’s fighting earthers here.
Later, she’s fighting belters.
From a “typical racist” mindset - Earth is an equal, belters are subhuman scum.
It may be little more than that - if that’s her mindset she doesn’t care if the belters die, and she doesn’t think they’re a real threat to her people.
Even wise people are not wise on all things.
@@RedSntDK She was a soldier, soldiers follow orders. It´s not like she doomed her crew and herself just for the sake of it.
The way they handled her in S6 was definitely jarring and out of character. But I think they could have had her end up the same, but just framed it differently and more plausibly. For instance, frame it as a sneak attack on Medina station by an MCRN stealth ship squadron specifically composed to overpower all the known Free Navy forces inside the ring space. It’s plausible that ever since the FN destroyed the Earth and Mars sentry ships guarding the Ring, that Earth and Mars had telescopes monitoring the ring from a distance and counting all FN forces assembling inside the ring space. Thus they could have formed a stealth strike group capable of taking out those forces, and there was some pressure to do it sooner rather than later so as not to give FN any more time to consolidate forces inside the Ring. Of course they had no way of knowing FN was receiving proto-tech reinforcements from Laconia system, so the outcome would still have been the same, but the reasoning for it less out of character at least.
Not usually a Hard SciFi fan, but this show is stellar! Some great plot arcs, acting and visuals with only a few missteps 👍
Amen to that. Some visuals right at the end of were a tad suspect (the Pella under camoflage for example), but yeah it was excellent generally as a show
Nothing about this is hard Sci-Fi.
The Expanse…is stellar…you don’t say! 😂😂
I hate when people use the word "underrated" for The Expanse... It's not underrated, it has like 9 or 10/10 ratings everywhere. It's just not well known. Underrated suggests something like "Oh it has bad ratings but fanboys say it's amazing" for a person that hasn't seen it
That is what the meaning of the word has turned into these days. Whenever you see "underrated" it usually means "unpopular"
Like the recent Planet of the Apes films: they were well received and fairly successful but compared to other popular film series out there they are small fish despite being insanely well crafted and well written. Underrated essentially means to me if expressed as an exclamation: why isn't this more popular?!
in this case, i believe the poster meant this scene specifically, and the quote, are the underrated parts, rather than the whole of the sereis.
Underappreciated, then.
Or perhaps the poster meant exactly what they wrote underrated _scene_
I for one didn’t remember it but am glad to have seen it again!
By politics she means...
“Lies, omissions, misrepresentations and obfuscations presented as truths...”
Usually by people who profit from the war and don’t expect to be personally involved with the consequences, work and dangers.
This was the scene I appreciate the most. This is not underrated, this scene and words stamped into my mind. This is how diplomat leaders of world peace should be
The Expanse is truly one of the best sci Fi shows ever made
That's a nice reference to Clausewitz in fact
I only recently started watching this series. Half way into season 2, and it doesn't disappoint.
Season 2 and 3 are superb. Opinions can be mixed on the remaining seasons but I loved them all
Have you finished it yet?^^
Danger, danger, there is a Cylon infiltrator on board.
At least the blazer he's wearing this time is different.
Someone read their Clauzewitz.
One of the smartest written shows I've seen.
Kirino is one of my favorite TV ship captains. If they made a spinoff featuring Kirino and the MCRN Hammurabi, I'd probably watch it. That's saying something, considering she probably had no more than 30 minutes of total screen time.
Sometimes, the best way to win a battle (or war) is to not fight it, or atleast pick a better time/circumstance.
she is right not to trust a cyclon
"I'm not a Cylon!"
One of the best hard sci-fi series and books, ever, period, end of story.
It's a shame she didn't survive the war with the Free Navy
That’s why Clint Eastwood asks ‘do you feel lucky punk?’
I wish she played a greater role in the future seasons. I hate that her future self makes the opposite choice to this one and doesn't live long enough to regret her rashness. Brilliant actor and great dialog! 10 stars
Gotta rewatch this thing. Peak sci fi
I remember my first time watching this episode. I was silently warning her that her XO was a Cylon.
You are not that guy… I am that guy.
Amos 😍
"That's great a noble sir, but we are in a shooting war and I prefer to win it."
"That is why I am the captain, and you will be nothing more than an XO."
The thing that makes the expanse different is that the writers cared about science, especially physics, and try to make the show as credible scientifically as the acting, plot lines and special effects. Other shows have either superhero tech or superhero people/aliens, endless space battles, etc. Emphasis on the fi with no appreciation for sci.
Except for that time they dropped a wrench against the side of their ship and it whizzing away in the distance.... oops... luckily it was very early, so people just ignored it....
A good show that they managed to finish without disappointing everyone. That's a W.
Wish season 6 had more episodes. But glad they were able to give it an ending.
Hey, let's give this super important station to Holden, the guy with a moral conscience of a 6 year old.
Holden: And that's why I'm giving this station over to the Belt, who will totally not screw over everyone else..
The Belt: Finally it's our time to screw over everyone else.... again!
Holden: I am Shocked! Simply shocked!
My only disappointment was that it was only 3 seasons. This show had so much more potential to go far beyond the 3rd season, but alas, economics got in the way. Still by far one of of the best sci-fi shows EVER made.
@@ParaSkyblade There are 6 seasons. If that's not a typo, I just made your day.
very true
i guess sometimes you just have to wait too see
Real easy to call the shots when you're not the Commander, you toaster!
Best Si-Fi show off all time.
There's only one problem with this scene. No military commander would've done what she did. That information would've been tight-beamed to Mars High Command 15 minutes after she received it. They would've been the ones to make the call to cease fire as they sought clarification (and only if Earth had agreed to the cease fire).
I see a Cylon :)
hehe, as do I
@@crystallineentity so say we all ;)
@@macbuff81 Fracking toasters! :D
@@crystallineentity chatGPT-4 seems to show uncanny signs of intelligence already :) Let's hope we will treat our cylons well so they don't rise up against us :) I do like Caprica Six and Boomer
Is that a reference to another sci-fi world?
Superb series....
I agree with the Cylon - if in a shooting war, i'd want to win it.
Chief was a fralkin cylon that was the true downfall
Missed it all. Fab series. Wish I could have seen it.
Its on Amazon prime video and likely will be for a long time
what episode is this?
QUESTION: Who has rated the scene in a bad way ... so that this is named an "underrated scene"???
Can't wait for season seven????
There's no season seven. The next book does a thirty year time skip.
Who knew a show about an anus could be so entertaining.
goddamm it
No, no, it's an annulus! Easy mistake though.
1:02 why sir? isnt it mam in the navy?
Sir is also a title.
It's the Star Trek syndrome. It's hard to say where or when that error began, but it has been plaguing scifi since early Star Trek.
AH Cylon!
I enjoyed all the seasons but season 3 was peak.
What's the rating system by which this was "under" rated?
It literally didn't get the ratings it needed to stay afloat under SyFy, got bought out, mishandled, and brought to an early conclusion.
the video titel make it clear: they mean these scene in particular is underrated, not the whole show. did you remember this scene befor seeing this youtube-video?
This show almost made it to a B5 level. Almost.
it's this generation's Babylon 5 !
Why are they calling her "sir" instead of "ma'am"? Is it that hard to change words?
never watched the show, but it looks like they have a cylon problem
great show, you should give it a try.
The show was great, but I'm making my way through the books now and omg the show completely ruined Naomi. Most other things they improved but christ Naomi is unbearable compared to her original counterpart in the books
Did this show ever get good? I've tried to get it into it so many times and this mediocre acting and writing definitely doesn't sell me.
if you werent sold after 4th episode of 1st season you will definitely not like it. First three seasons (and books) were exceptional. 4-6 were quite ok. 7-9 (only books) really good but it was too much like any other space operas
It's obviously not for you then.
The books were fantastic, the series is a really good adaption.
I believe this is one of the best stories ever told. In the books and in the TV series.
It never stopped being good. Just isn't your thing, cut your losses and move on.
I wish I could enjoy this show but the acting and writing is just sub par. I love sci-fi and the attention to reality this show brings, but I can’t get over the boring dialog and poor acting. Maybe in another 10-20 years this will get a reboot and be better.
"Away from the politics and b.s." This is a meaningless and stupid statement.