SURVIVING AS A CARPENTER || Advice in the labor shortage (2021)
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i am a carpenter of 41 years-- i make 35 an hour in california- plumbers here make 100 plus. we are underated!
Amen brother
It’s crazy cause carpentry is such a big responsibility. Point loads, support beams etc. A lot Can go really bad
Carpenters/framers here still make $12hr (with no overtime pay) and are still expected to supply all their own equipment, tools, and a truck to be used on the job without fuel compensation.
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I’m hearing you.
Started in ‘90. DONT sell your self short. “ count the cost of doing business “. And make a little profit. You’re not mother Theresa. Timber man and all others.
Raise your rates. You said it, “ there’s not that many good carpenters out there “.
You're absolutely right Nate. Construction in general is a very labor intensive career. I got out of construction when I moved but I do miss it sometimes. I totally get where you're coming from with the aches and pains in your body. The problem is, people want all of these new things built for them from a house to furniture and they don't take into account how much skill and physical labor that is. Then they want it built for next to nothing. You cannot expect good quality from a build if you try to pay as little as possible for it. You're paying for the skill and the work, not just the work.
i just started out on my own doing exterior/interior finish carpentry, been working for other people almost 15 years now. every customer i had so far tells me they cant find anyone to do the work they need done. its just me and my tools out here so my strategy has been to charge more than i would normally so i can pace myself, take the time to do the work right, take time to rest so i dont injure myself. Not trying to slam jobs out as fast as humanly possible like the guys i worked for. Honestly its been great. i havent been told "no" on my price, not even once. if i go hard on a deck one day, i charged enough i can take a rest day afterward (or do a short day with light work). its nice to go from feeling expendable to being irreplaceable and needed. demand is high, the pay should match
Charge even more!
If you're never being told no, you may not be charging enough. I'm guilty of it too, from time to time. But if I'm cutting big checks to my plumber and not making equivalent bucks myself, I probably underbid.
I used to be a trial lawyer and gave it up to become a remodeling contractor. Mostly carpentry of course, but it's amazing the variety of disciplines a modern carpenter must know to make a living. You can't make any real money working for someone else. But you have to work for someone else in order to learn. I worked for others for 9 years and have been on my own for 16 years now. BUT, you can be the most talented carpenter in the world and fail in business - if you can't SELL. I'm pretty good but there are some insane carpenters out there, who're better than me. They work for me now, because I can get a homeowner to crack open the checkbook when these other craftsmen can't. Such is the nature of small business ownership, a reality frequently glossed over by other youtube carpenters.
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I never knew what my boss charged still don’t. But he had 2 kids in college with nice cars,a huge house, an NSX, Harley, boat, ridiculous lifted truck and just 2 employees.
This is a great thing. Wages are determined by supply. The more people drop out of the trades the higher wages will go. Tech is only considered high value because they get paid a lot. Construction will become the new "tech sector" in the future.
Except an unlimited flow of cheap dole for an illegal labor
When they can't staff the low paying slave labor jobs they call it a labor shortage
Simple Solution, become a Union Carpenter, Pension, Annuity, and great pay 👍
United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Jointers of American 🇺🇸 #UBC
Both are a great option:)
I'm currently employed as a carpenter however, my duties stretch beyond traditional carpentry. I have had to learn the codes for plumbing and electrical work in order for a project to be completed. I am also making much less than you'd expect, given these duties. I will receive a pay increase, but its hard to argue for more since i have no plumbing or electrical certification. I am blessed with the training from my older colleagues who are willing to train me.
I understand the difficulties of my job, and I am also aware that i will likely work into my 90s as time goes on. I look at hiring young people as more security for my aging body than for the continuation of the trade, and many older gents feel likewise. Its difficult now though, since many of these young guys are not motivated. they're all talk and no effort. I hope parents start to teach their children about walking their talk. I was raised in the style of men in the 50s. you follow through, you put in your work, you earn the respect of your colleagues so that you may learn more. i am unsure where the motivation has gone with many young men, but i am hopeful they'll find it in the right environment for them.
A problem I see often if that these guys are scared to ask what they can do, or what needs to be done. I am in my mid 20s, but I am not going to be a babysitter for them. I try to give advice on how to learn efficiently and where to find information. They don't wish to listen or even attempt to benefit themselves, so i refuse to train. I can where this may cause problems for the future of the trades, but many people in the trades dont want to waste time on someone who wishes to dig their own grave in the industry. Their phone is their biggest asset and vice to them. its a tool, and should be respected as such, in my opinion.
I am going to work toward keeping a creative spark in my children as i teach them skills for their future. Its better to do what needs to be done now, so that you can do what you want later.
Plumbing isn't all new construction work. 80% of my business was service and repair and I worked myself out of business when my body finally gave up. Working in ditches to hanging off ladders and platforms and roofs , its all in the job plus a lot of nasty jobs on the service end. This just scratches the surface, plumbing is not just cut and dry.
I'm 23 right now almost 24. I would love to get into the trades again (did HVAC for a little bit) but a big problem in the US is a lack of apprenticeship programs, a lot of companies don't want to train workers
I recommend getting in. There is a huge need
You should sign up for a one or two year community college program.
Companies are also frustrated by the labor shortage, and have resorted to sponsoring community colleges to train the workers/employees that are needed.
@@TMBRMANTV Why would they when you pay shit?
100%
If it's so hard to find carpenters, why don't carpenters charge more? This isn't meant as a accusative question. But it's clear that customers have an expectation that carpenters are cheaper than they should be. Doesn't this mean carpenters should start charging more? If one waits for customers to be willing to pay more, one will be waiting forever. Am I missing something?
Verbatim what Ethan James honest carpenter said.
As a carpenter/ construction worker, I see why there is a shortage. You deal with narcissistic farting/constantly borrowing your stuff elder who’s only contribution is telling you your way is wrong to rich boy company owners. Where I’m from 20-25 an hour is going rate to work for someone else. They expect you to have power and hand tools and drive a gas or diesel guzzling vehicle. After figuring cost of working, you have a better quality of life by stocking shelves at Walmart.
I was a carpenter for 5 years, quit to be a security guard because it paid double what I was making and had better benefits and none of the hard labor.
The good thing is, were finally getting our due! Were a dying breed. Top dollar now or i won'tdo it. Done workingfor peanuts.!
Don't worry, one billion Mexicans WILL do it for peanuts
Carpentry , fuck yah
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I agree. Okay Daddy.
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Carpenter really do not get paid enough I would not tell any young person to be a carpenter I have been in the cabinet business over 50 years still can’t make a real living the immigrants will take up the slake don’t speak English but they will work late in to the day on holidays weekends and you will get a shit job but you will pay them