Let me explain to my British friends what the optics on the Parthenon marbles are. First of all not all works of art are the same. We're talking about a monument here not a painting that was taken. Monuments belong to themselves and the place they were built, to be there as a whole, standing for what they were built for. They should not be dismantled, moved or in any way defaced. This is what humanity agrees upon today as a whole and it is recorded in the Venice charter of which the UK is also a signatory. It's not something up for debate, just like slavery e.g. is not up for debate and most certainly not up for debate in Britain. Despite that the British goverment and the British museum acts entirely contrary to that. Noone can hide behind vague and incoherent assumptions about the past and the circumstances that they ended up in the British museum and there are no excuses to keep any of it. It needs to be returned to its place where the actual.monuments stands. Period. Trying to come up with excuses about it is the same as someone owning a slave today saying, oh i didn't enslave uncle Tom here, I inherited him from my dad. He didn't enslave him either, he got him from someone else. Hey, don't blame me, I'm against slavery, I know it's wrong, but what can we do now, I have him. And I'm keeping him. Those optics clear enough for everyone?
@@K_j_M I know that most British agree. I m referring to the British goverment (possibly supported by a minority on this) and the British museum, whose attitudes are an affront to British and Greek people alike.
@@K_j_M And by the way it's not trinkets. It may be trinkets to someone who is not Greek understandably, it most certainly was that for Elgin they way he hacked through the Partenon with sledgehamners, but for a Greek the Parthenon is similar to say the cenotaph. Beyond any artistic and historical value of the monument to anyone, the Parthenon is a war memorial of victory from the Grecopersian wars, its friezes depicting the fallen Athenian soldiers in the battle of Marathon who died protecting their homeland their democracy and their freedom. So it is not a "trinket" .
They are not Greece's, they are not the UK's, they belong to humanity and they should be where they are looked after and preserved best. Which is where they are. Look at what is happening to the Acropolis now - slapping down concrete everywhere to make it easier to squeeze more tourist dollars out. Shameful.
It’s a shame to see a Punjab-British putting in jeopardy a diplomatic scene between allies and continue to insult all the Greek people,that his forefathers were allies since ancient times.
Do watch Channel 4's The Climate Change Fight, it makes this Conservative government look so out of step with all things that will help folks live as they deserve to do so. Shambolic.
It is incredible that the British have on display in their museum the stolen Parthenon marbles and make money from them. They should be ashamed of themselves. I wonder if they return to the countries all the stolen artifacts and monuments what would they have to put for display in their museum!
I seem to remember reading that the marbles on display are copies. It's not just the BM. The Louvre and Metropolitan are full of looted treasures. That's why they are fighting tooth and nail to prevent them going back - it would set a precedent.
@@cdeford2 It would be a virtuous gesture by England, a nation that prides herself on being noble and honourable, to return the Parthenon Marbles to their rightful home in the new Acropolis Museum in Athens. They should not care what the French do.
The British are big thieves ..Somebody told me about the British museum there is nothing of British heritage and culture in British museum except one the culture of loot.
@@shaphocane5443 NO, THEY'RE NOT. THEY WERE STOLEN. THEY ARE GREEK PROPERTY. ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL. WE DEMAND THAT THEY ARE RETURNED TO GREECE. PERIOD.
That's what the "politicians" who voted him (narrowly) in wanted. Pliant, malleable, unlikely to do anything (at all). Remember the shambles that was Liz Truss? HE was her replacement - see how it works?
Roland's a vote winner isn't he. Sunak proving hourly that there is little correlation between education and intelligence and further, wealth and ability.
I sometimes think Sunak does relatively well to rebuff the increasing tide of failure he is presiding over being pointed out. Not today. Absolute humiliation. And one of his own making, due in large part to his petulance and political naivety. Time for this tech bro to call time on his “crack at politics”
Sunak looks absolutely broken at some points in this. Especially where Starmer was highlighting the civil war engulfing his party. It's embarrassing for him even. Everyone in Britain (and apparently Europe) can now see that the writing is on the wall.
..And in France, and Germany, and Rusia,U.S.A.and Italy,Spain, and in the Churches around Akropolis. :) :) :) ...A never ending list of where Greek artifacts are... Greece is everywhere: :) Απάντηση
What have Tories done: Against EU: Nothing. For EU: All foreign flags must depict US All products must have EU. swash stikker (driving licence). Kept floodgates open. 9/10 subsidies for EU representing companies. Replacing the jungle (this is it), with an envy-ir-o-ment. I could go on...as the list is endless!
hardly, they grandstand because they can, tragically they are in power thanks to the electorate - all the hollow promises this government has made, are still being lapped up - to be fair whoever wins the next election will need decades to shovel UK out of the hole it is sitting in at the moment. Disappointing and tragic.
The moment England understand they have been part of Europe it’s politics it’s culture and history for longer than anyone cares to remember,will be the day they will rejoin the EU family
Skynews who cares about this really, PLEASE put pressure on the government to help families with energy bills. That should be the biggest priority for families and pensioners right now, all this other rubbish need not be aired.
Cancelling the meeting with the Greek Prime Minister, arguably was the proper decision for Rishi Sunak, that has more important issues to deal with and for Keir Starmer, is part of the politics to argue in the interim !
Sunak hit the nail on the head! Labour will agree to free movement with the EU as part of their special arrangment. The Labour party need a complete change of leadership before i trust them again because they keep leaving us in the crap.
sadly the PM isn't delivering on any but in fairness to him, its been 13 years of mismanagement by this government, no point in blming the last PM in the seat, they are all to blame, and those that voted for these promises too.
If Rishi Sunak thinks he's a Griffin then he's even much more lost in la la land than even Sir Keir Starmer is even remotely aware of! Rishi's dispute with the Greek Government is entirely a private antiquitous affair and is one that cannot be neither supported with the UK populace nor that of his crippled support from that of his own party cabinet members from Downing Street which is best described as a Greek tragedy in itself. Which is one that has already very much undermined and abused the confidence of those within the UK electorate! Suffice to say but this guy Rishi is totally lost at sea along with his lost marbles so maybe someone should finally show him the marble arch overlooking outside Downing Street! And perhaps maybe Plato can point Sunak in the right direction from a long distant past although am sure we can all wish him the very best of luck in these new but rather odd endeavours before leaving office! 😂😂
Immigration charges are going up, therefore the more immigrants the better for the coffers technically. 😂 Do they want the number up or down? UK companies may need to pay for the cost anyway if people are coming for work. And universities may lose overseas students because studying in the uk become too expensive. Mmmm… just another disastrous policy.
"How's migration going?" - rich from the Labour Party when they sat quietly when stricter border control was discussed during Corbyn's period as leader of the opposition.
These historic monuments were a gift from the Ottoman Empire to Great Britain! These works belong to all humanity and it doesn't have to be in Athens! Earthquakes and volcanoes destroy all historical monuments in Greece, so it is better to leave them in London! London is safe😂😂😂
There are over 100,000 Greek artefact in the BM, Greece is not asking for ALL to be returned, this request is specific. Specific because the Parthenon still stands, there is a superlative Acropolis Museum where the surviving halves not forcibly removed when Greece had no voice, are correctly displayed. Time to show some respect for a peerless collection of sculptures. Time to reunite them in the Acropolis Museum.
Hah! Very funny! Over 1000 artifacts have been stolen from british museums, greece's museums have become better at protecting the art than the british ones!
How dare Greece demand its property back.
We don't want them keep it .... we need pizza🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕
As India demands its own!!! British museum are best described as utter theft stores, aren't they? THEY ARE!!
A big fault of Sunak to cancel the meeting with the greek PM.
well done Rishi Marble belong to us
@@shaphocane5443 try saying that face to face to a Greek little anglo boi
very rude behavior! every year so many greek people goes to England, we have close ties so many years but then.....Sunak happened!
Let me explain to my British friends what the optics on the Parthenon marbles are. First of all not all works of art are the same. We're talking about a monument here not a painting that was taken. Monuments belong to themselves and the place they were built, to be there as a whole, standing for what they were built for. They should not be dismantled, moved or in any way defaced. This is what humanity agrees upon today as a whole and it is recorded in the Venice charter of which the UK is also a signatory. It's not something up for debate, just like slavery e.g. is not up for debate and most certainly not up for debate in Britain.
Despite that the British goverment and the British museum acts entirely contrary to that.
Noone can hide behind vague and incoherent assumptions about the past and the circumstances that they ended up in the British museum and there are no excuses to keep any of it. It needs to be returned to its place where the actual.monuments stands. Period.
Trying to come up with excuses about it is the same as someone owning a slave today saying, oh i didn't enslave uncle Tom here, I inherited him from my dad. He didn't enslave him either, he got him from someone else. Hey, don't blame me, I'm against slavery, I know it's wrong, but what can we do now, I have him. And I'm keeping him.
Those optics clear enough for everyone?
Bro, no need for explanations. The majority agree that Greece should have its trinkets back
@@K_j_M I know that most British agree. I m referring to the British goverment (possibly supported by a minority on this) and the British museum, whose attitudes are an affront to British and Greek people alike.
@@K_j_M And by the way it's not trinkets. It may be trinkets to someone who is not Greek understandably, it most certainly was that for Elgin they way he hacked through the Partenon with sledgehamners, but for a Greek the Parthenon is similar to say the cenotaph. Beyond any artistic and historical value of the monument to anyone, the Parthenon is a war memorial of victory from the Grecopersian wars, its friezes depicting the fallen Athenian soldiers in the battle of Marathon who died protecting their homeland their democracy and their freedom. So it is not a "trinket" .
They are not Greece's, they are not the UK's, they belong to humanity and they should be where they are looked after and preserved best. Which is where they are.
Look at what is happening to the Acropolis now - slapping down concrete everywhere to make it easier to squeeze more tourist dollars out. Shameful.
It belongs in UK 😡😡😡
It’s a shame to see a Punjab-British putting in jeopardy a diplomatic scene between allies and continue to insult all the Greek people,that his forefathers were allies since ancient times.
He is not Punjabi he is gujrati 😒😒😒
@@theunderdog4155 of course!if he dismiss the prime minister of country it’s like dismissing the entire country.
He truly is the Prime Miniature. A small man in every sense of the word.
Hahaha that's a good one!
When it comes to grandstanding, no one can beat this government.
Do watch Channel 4's The Climate Change Fight, it makes this Conservative government look so out of step with all things that will help folks live as they deserve to do so. Shambolic.
It is incredible that the British have on display in their museum the stolen Parthenon marbles and make money from them. They should be ashamed of themselves. I wonder if they return to the countries all the stolen artifacts and monuments what would they have to put for display in their museum!
I seem to remember reading that the marbles on display are copies. It's not just the BM. The Louvre and Metropolitan are full of looted treasures. That's why they are fighting tooth and nail to prevent them going back - it would set a precedent.
@@cdeford2 It would be a virtuous gesture by England, a nation that prides herself on being noble and honourable, to return the Parthenon Marbles to their rightful home in the new Acropolis Museum in Athens. They should not care what the French do.
😅
The British are big thieves ..Somebody told me about the British museum there is nothing of British heritage and culture in British museum except one the culture of loot.
it's not stolen it belongs to UK.
SUNAK is a Migrant....dont forget that...🤔
Sunak is hopeless…totally uncultured….
Maybe but MARBLES are UK property
@@shaphocane5443Considering Sunak has gone to Marbles, I would actually agree.
@@shaphocane5443 NO, THEY'RE NOT. THEY WERE STOLEN. THEY ARE GREEK PROPERTY. ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL. WE DEMAND THAT THEY ARE RETURNED TO GREECE. PERIOD.
Mr. Sunak not only was he rude, he is also lying to damage control the furore his behaviour created.
The reverse Midas' touch!!! 😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤😂
Sunak was well and truly roasted. The Tory front benchers looked in despair. How have we ended up with someone so weak as PM?
Weak and bad at politics.
Like Sir Keir.
Because we're not allowed to directly vote for our PM
Now then,what can we accuse nutsack of,christ the list go'es on have'nt got time,but i think we all know.
That's what the "politicians" who voted him (narrowly) in wanted.
Pliant, malleable, unlikely to do anything (at all).
Remember the shambles that was Liz Truss?
HE was her replacement - see how it works?
@@julianshepherd2038clearly not
Roland's a vote winner isn't he. Sunak proving hourly that there is little correlation between education and intelligence and further, wealth and ability.
Points well made!
Not a fan of labour but I think Keirs PMQS performance here is his best since just before Liz Truss resigned (the famous , Gone , Gone ,Gone line )
Tony Blair was the root of the mess. Although I voted for him, loved his wife but was dissapointed later on
Sunak should resign. The thief knows when to hide.
Can sunak resign now please his destroying this country millions of people are coming in every day
Less than aillion a year but... Whatever
I prefer Peter Selers in the movie "The Party" rather than this destroyer of international relations.
Greek veto in all UK-EU negotiations till the return of sculptures.
Sunak is not as smart as we have been told.
2022:England
2023:Ingland😂
2024:Indialand
I sometimes think Sunak does relatively well to rebuff the increasing tide of failure he is presiding over being pointed out.
Not today. Absolute humiliation. And one of his own making, due in large part to his petulance and political naivety.
Time for this tech bro to call time on his “crack at politics”
and the rest of us accuse him of dead catting, avoiding the important issues.
This is like watching stand up comedy
Although here in Greece same happens in the parliament although more drama less comedy
“Britain isn’t listening”
Funny how his mic cut off as soon as he said that
Speaks to how true a statement this really is
It's like I am watching just another day in a kindergarten 😅
There are 80000 Greeks in the UK I'd be careful when visiting North London Rishi Rich
Parthenon and Pergamon friezes belong to Greece
A migrant of Indian descent has turned hardliner against other immigrants. Does anyone else think this is wrong?
Sunak looks absolutely broken at some points in this. Especially where Starmer was highlighting the civil war engulfing his party.
It's embarrassing for him even. Everyone in Britain (and apparently Europe) can now see that the writing is on the wall.
Don't bring the numbers down.0%illegal migration is what's needed
Got to admit, I have missed the muppet show.
Elgin took them under false pretences ergo ‘nicked’ them then sold them for profit to the museum , yeh all above board
Mate, just give them their fancy rocks back
..And in France, and Germany, and Rusia,U.S.A.and Italy,Spain, and in the Churches around Akropolis. :) :) :) ...A never ending list of where Greek artifacts are... Greece is everywhere: :)
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No😮fit for Government this PM please release him of this burden
Man needs to grow up and call GE
Another weak prime minister
James Cleverly trying to defend himself again was hilarious and embarrassing
Just stop the theatre and bring them home. Your house is a circus like ours.
Stolen must be back..
Whenathiefstealsartticlesofvaluetheitemsarereturnedtotheownerbylaw
Why people r suddenly standing and seating
It's to catch the Speaker's eye to potentially ask a supplementary question later in the proceedings, if enough time allows.
Why the Prime minister of UK is not white? British are white like Greeks or even whiter more blondish and red. That's how Bristish tourists are
what a farce
There is no expression "elginian marbles"! The correct one is the "Greek marbles of the Parthenon"! Ok?🤨🤨🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
It's always a zoo setting
What have Tories done:
Against EU:
Nothing.
For EU:
All foreign flags must depict US
All products must have EU. swash stikker (driving licence).
Kept floodgates open.
9/10 subsidies for EU representing companies.
Replacing the jungle (this is it), with an envy-ir-o-ment.
I could go on...as the list is endless!
£30 Billion. Directly from WHO
We know why the Tories are grandstanding, they'd have to empty their museums if they gave back the Parthenon Marbles
hardly, they grandstand because they can, tragically they are in power thanks to the electorate - all the hollow promises this government has made, are still being lapped up - to be fair whoever wins the next election will need decades to shovel UK out of the hole it is sitting in at the moment. Disappointing and tragic.
Τhe marbles don't belong to Britain belongs to Greece Parthenon.British museum basic source of income.Make replicas and release the original ones
He needs to go
The moment England understand they have been part of Europe it’s politics it’s culture and history for longer than anyone cares to remember,will be the day they will rejoin the EU family
Truss kind little brother
Pishi stunak
Skynews who cares about this really, PLEASE put pressure on the government to help families with energy bills. That should be the biggest priority for families and pensioners right now, all this other rubbish need not be aired.
Cancelling the meeting with the Greek Prime Minister, arguably was the proper decision for Rishi Sunak, that has more important issues to deal with and for Keir Starmer, is part of the politics to argue in the interim !
Sunak hit the nail on the head! Labour will agree to free movement with the EU as part of their special arrangment. The Labour party need a complete change of leadership before i trust them again because they keep leaving us in the crap.
Half of the frieze of the Acropolis is in the Louvre.
How come and there is no claim about those?
PLEASE BRITAIN, JUST RETURN THE FLIPPING MARBLES. THEY WERE REMOVED BY A BRIT. THEY NEED TO GO HOME.
F U no
hear, hear
@@2289mhear, hear
Sunak got torn a new bunghole today. Absolutely eviscerated by Starmer... It was painful to watch haha
Sunak hasn't got the common sense that his wealth decrees he should have...vote of no confidence in him and his party...
No-one is buying it, Rishi. Act on your "Five Promises". The people don't care about these distractions.
sadly the PM isn't delivering on any but in fairness to him, its been 13 years of mismanagement by this government, no point in blming the last PM in the seat, they are all to blame, and those that voted for these promises too.
sunak😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
At least, it s not grand-thieving...
plenty more this government have stolen from us all
If Rishi Sunak thinks he's a Griffin then he's even much more lost in la la land than even Sir Keir Starmer is even remotely aware of! Rishi's dispute with the Greek Government is entirely a private antiquitous affair and is one that cannot be neither supported with the UK populace nor that of his crippled support from that of his own party cabinet members from Downing Street which is best described as a Greek tragedy in itself. Which is one that has already very much undermined and abused the confidence of those within the UK electorate!
Suffice to say but this guy Rishi is totally lost at sea along with his lost marbles so maybe someone should finally show him the marble arch overlooking outside Downing Street!
And perhaps maybe Plato can point Sunak in the right direction from a long distant past although am sure we can all wish him the very best of luck in these new but rather odd endeavours before leaving office!
😂😂
They've lost.there marbles
Keirs best MOMENT!❤❤❤
Get rid of punjab
Theft is theft. If someone stole stuff belonging to his family and him, would Sunak be pleased to be accused of "grandstanding"?
Immigration charges are going up, therefore the more immigrants the better for the coffers technically. 😂 Do they want the number up or down? UK companies may need to pay for the cost anyway if people are coming for work. And universities may lose overseas students because studying in the uk become too expensive. Mmmm… just another disastrous policy.
It’s ok to slag of the Tory Party but not one idea or plan to ask things better from Starmer
😂😂😂to be fair the Tories have stolen a lot of Labour policies 😂😂😂😂😂😂 so there
"How's migration going?" - rich from the Labour Party when they sat quietly when stricter border control was discussed during Corbyn's period as leader of the opposition.
BuT CoRbYn
These historic monuments were a gift from the Ottoman Empire to Great Britain! These works belong to all humanity and it doesn't have to be in Athens! Earthquakes and volcanoes destroy all historical monuments in Greece, so it is better to leave them in London! London is safe😂😂😂
What a joke … so smart 😮
There are over 100,000 Greek artefact in the BM, Greece is not asking for ALL to be returned, this request is specific. Specific because the Parthenon still stands, there is a superlative Acropolis Museum where the surviving halves not forcibly removed when Greece had no voice, are correctly displayed. Time to show some respect for a peerless collection of sculptures. Time to reunite them in the Acropolis Museum.
Hah! Very funny! Over 1000 artifacts have been stolen from british museums, greece's museums have become better at protecting the art than the british ones!