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@@emergencyawesome Darth Plaqueis was Palpatines Master in StarWars Legends. In Canon we only know a Sith Lord named Darth Plaqueis existed and was killed in his Sleep by his Apprentice (According to Palpatine who you can trust so far as you can throw hin😁) It is in Canon only implied that he was Darth Siddious Master, not actual stated (at least not to my knowledge) So a possible Season 2 and further (be on TV or Anime or a Novel) could give new light to it^^
I had lots of trouble with this series. I've actually been having lots of trouble with almost everything Disney and HBO. Lol I wish you was talking about a couple of other shows from other networks, but I have tried and I'll finish these shows but not excited as much.
Darth Sidious was well aware of Ventress being Dooku's "assassin" and approved of her being used as a tool in their wider plot against the Jedi. It's only when Sidious suspected Dooku was training her not only to be an assassin but his Sith apprentice did Sidious order Dooku to kill her to prove his loyality.
Yes, and Plagues was the wise not the the stealer of ideas. (glory to the cult of witches that achieved what jedi and sith couldn't in thousand of years! )
Usually they are all aware of their apprentice's secret apprentices. Its good to keep them around should the real apprentice fall. They only tell them to kill the secret apprentice when it threatens the master's dominance
@@joeeaster1528 Darth Tenebrous had multiple apprentices besides Plagues. He and his twilek master have conducted several rituals that caught the eyes of the jedi and they were almost discovered...(legends material). Disney should have gone this route, not the wanabe sith that's a combination of kylo and maul(of course a discount version)
@@Murph709 It depends Tenebrous had multiple apprentices (veramis was raised as a possible replacement should plagues die). Maul was trained by Sidious but Plagues knew / had given concent and Dooku had tried multiple times to raise a sith durring tcw. It's better to ahve replacement if anything happens to one of the dark lord( in season 2, they probably reveal that Quimir is plagues replacement possibly before Sidious)
Can someone explain to me why Mae went back to the Jedi when they would clearly want her to pay for those deaths? How does wiping her mind and sending her back to the Jedi benefit Qimir and Osha at all? Why wouldn’t she go with Qimir and Osha or at least escape and go into hiding somewhere?
it's because she won't remember who trained her, cant remember who the stranger is, doesnt know Osha went with the stranger. Keeping sith identity a secret
Didn't want to be Sith any more and don't want to fight anymore details matter or at pay attention to the show and don't be in your phone while watching.
Wonder if Darth Plagueis is just lurking and spying, not really training anyone? Qimir is a Dark Force user, so maybe Plagueis came to suss out what was going on, like the Jedi were on Brandok.
I think plag is why this sith is alive. he used his life giving ability to save that guy from being kashed to pieces by that purple whip saber. she probably caught hin practicing evil and let him have it and just bounced
That’s exactly why yoda kept saying fear is the path to the dark side that saying take on a whole new meaning now, fear causes you to have unclear visions of the future that may lead you to manifesting those fears which leads you into the dark side of the force type ish
Great observation. This does bring on a whole new meaning. Anakin's vision of Padme. Even Luke was acting out of fear and brought his training to a halt to try and save Han, Leia, Chewie, and C-3PO.
I think Sol was just trying really hard to justify his deeds to HIMSELF. He had to believe it was the "right thing to do" in order to live with himself.
Mae & osha's mother went all demon mode on everyone and anyone in sol's position would have killed her. This is one of the reasons this show failed. Then at the end Mae and osha just switched spots... this series was str8 dumpster juice
This may be true with regard to the death of the mother but I didn't understand why the show painted the Jedi intervention as the cause of the death of the whole coven. The analogy of how foreign intervention led to genocide was too forced. For one, the coven was hostile and dangerous, the members exhibited powers that could debilitate and possess another. It was unfortunate that things escalated but the witches were equally culpable for the incident. I can understand Torbin suffering from PTSD (and maybe survivor's guilt) but what else could've been done? Sol's way of atoning was to care for Osha, so to have Osha kill him without hesitation did not make any sense. He really cared about those girls. If he was hell bent on keeping the incident a secret, he had numerous opportunities to kill Mae. Another thing that bothered me was that there really wasn't any explanation why the coven had to create a child and split it in two. What was the significance of this? And how did it translate to the characters of Osha and Mae because they were portrayed as ordinary twins? 😅
@@jchildermass5833 You pose some great questions my friend, all of which are hopefully left unanswered because i do not wanna see a second season of this lmao
@@jchildermass5833Sol was selfish af and held a family death from Osha. He lied about it several times. Osha was fed up with the lies and Sol had to pay for his greed. It’s not hard to figure out.
Another possibility with Plageius is that he wasn't always there on the island, but felt powerful dark side energy from that planet and is investigating the energy. Hence why he's hiding. Possibly taking his time to see which of them will be a more powerful apprentice before he reveals himself.
One interesting thing about Osha/Mae being the same person is that you could see in this episode that Osha picked up Mae's fighting style/ability and also Mae picked up Osha's mechanic experience when she reprogrammed pip and opened the door. So it's almost like how Naruto's shadow clones work where the main body picks up skills and experience from the clones. The fact that Mae was stronger when they were kids is probably all due to the fact that they've always been more attuned to the dark side and since Mae was more passionate and possessive it made her stronger in the force which is why Osha didn't becomes strong until she tapped into the dark side. Which kind of makes sense since they came from a dark side groups of witches. This also means that Mae's mind wipe cannot possibly be permanent because if Osha remembers it then it means that Mae will remember whenever they next "sync up".
@@jackv7572 Someone finds something interesting and you don't. "Let me reply to tell him I don't find it interesting!" Cool story bro. Way to add to a conversation.
@@oolong2 Geez sensitive? I just feel you are trying to come up with something + about two boring characters in a badly constructed story, thanks gawd will probably never see them again.
Osha and Mae should’ve been the “targets” not the main characters. Qimir should’ve been the main character and Plaegus’ voice should’ve been the shadow looming over the whole series setting the stage for what the stakes actually were. This show has so much potential and they got caught up trying to be clever with all of the setup. IF this show gets a season 2 they have to actually “do the thing” instead of just setting up the thing they wanna do. Great show in some points, overall I wanted more.
You forgot about all the jedi that went to Brendok with Venestra that investigated the scene and would've found evidence of the light saber battle (the slashed up bridgeway). How do you keep them all quiet? The implications that Sol fought a lightsaber wielding opponent implies that the opponent was not a jedi.
@@Darthtoneeee even then theres also the 7 dead jedi on the other planet, who apparently got swept under the rug and no one questions how they were killed
@@fknpanda7280 they answer how they were killed.. with a lightsaber. But they blame those light saber wounds on Sol too. He's the fall guy here. If he had a squeaky clean record it'd be harder to believe, but its also come out now that he and the other 3 jedi on Brendok fucked it all up and have been hiding the truth ever since. Not a good look and the dead man cant clear his name now.
I disagree. I think this show is the reason why Yoda was giving a side glance at Mace Windu and Ki-Adi Mundi when Windu and Mundi said the Sith have been extinct for a millennium. Yoda knew that there was a possibility they still existed because Vernestra Rwoh filled him in on the events of this show.
The vision Osha saw was exactly what happened at the end, I think it’s supposed to play into how Qimir is the only one who never confused the twins, he always knew who was who, while Sol calls Mae Osha multiple times, and it’s supposed to be that ironically, all those who haven’t accepted their own darkness are blinded by fear to the point they don’t recognize what’s right in front of them, even if it’s literally herself she’s seeing. So clouded by fear she can’t even accept what’s right in front of her eyes (well, in the force version of eyes I guess)
We don’t have confirmation that the stranger is connected to plaguies right? For all we know he was snooping. The stranger said Jedi might call him Sith but he was not calling himself a Sith. I imagine plaguies would call himself a Sith but if his apprentice would not call himself a Sith, it makes me think they aren’t collaborating.
I mean, it's not supposed to be known that the Sith still exist. So as far as we know, stranger was just lying and not revealing that he was a sith, otherwise he'd fuck up the main Sith plan
Best theory i got so far is: Both Plagueis and Qimir were trained by Tenebrous, which would make Qimir Darth Venamis. Tenebrous was involved with the Witches of Brendok and the conceiving of the twins, something that Plagueis took interest too(quest for eternal life and midichlorian influence). However, Qimir did not care and only wanted to practice the dark side himself and unbothered so he killed Tenebrous before the series. This would explain why Qimir is so confident in training an acolyte to make them an apprentice to him, who would be the new sith master. He expects no punishment from almost revealing the sith to the jedi because their is no other sith to rival him. If Plagueis was Qimir's master i dont think Qimir would bring Osha and Mae there as it would be too obvious to Plagueis. In the end Plagueis seems to be spying on Qimir as he aims to not only eliminate his competition left after Tenebrous death, but he also aims to learn more about the midichlorian influence to eventually create a perfect darkside being (which he will fail in and cause the force to retaliate by conceiving the chosen one to bring universal balance(Anakin).
@EmilianoJimenez-e2v sounds terrible lol. Timeline is horrible and venamis was thr same race as tenebrous so that wpuld be another change. This show is terrible considering the money they spent
Is the Senator played by Harewood really a villain? Maybe he just wants to put checks on the Jedi Order so that the order doesn't become something dark.
Darth Vader also had Star killer too. And Darth Maul sided with hos brother Savage to take down Palpatine. So there's always been more than two struggling for power.
@@apollian I would say it's a bit more nuanced. There's always two sith at the top, or in power. Sith lord and apprentice. The top apprentice can have an apprentice. It propagates the rule of two.
isnt that always the thing of the sith to take out the master at least the thing i remember from playing kotor 1 so much that malak wouldnt stop saying
It actually doesn't break any cannon for Plageus to have more than one apprentice, If you read the book about Plageus and Palpatine then it is reveals that Plageus did have multiple apprentices, he just kept them on different planets so each apprentice wouldn't know about the other so they couldn't conspire against Plageus. I remember aside from Palpatine he had one other apprentice who was some sort of aquatic race, cant remember its name or what planet it was on. can someone jog my memory?
If you think a bit about Plaguis in the show it kinda makes sense, he has had Mae close for a while when she was trained, now he has Osha, he might be studying them to figure out how to manipulate the force to create Anakin.
Nowhere in the entire series was it even intimated that Qimir was Plagueis' apprentice. Plagueis senses Qimir but knows nothing about him or that he was Vernestra Rwoh's apprentice at an earlier stage. It is most likely that Qimir becomes a Knights of Ren member. The reason behind the creation of the twins was that they were to be used as a sacrifice to keep the witch coven from dying out. At least, that was the impression Sol was under and why he and the other's went to "rescue" them. Plagueis may have been known to Osha and Mae. He looked to be one of the hooded members (who's face was not visible) at the ceremony where Mae was "tattooed" on the head with that Yin/Yang symbol before being interrupted by the Jedi. This might also have been where Plagueis learned how to manipulate the midi chlorians in order to create life.
We've opened the Darth Plagueis box and it can't be closed - I think the best case scenario is his story plays out but with a totally new show and show runner to attempt to right the ship. Base it on the book.
Yeah, box is open now. Now they need to weave this vergence, the witches, the twins, and the tragedy of Plagueis ("he could influence the midichlorians to create... life"), into Anakin's arc without p1ssing us all off
Someone else said "have you heard the tragedy of Darth Kennedy the Panderer, its not a story Lucasfilm would tell you, its a Disney legend... you won't learn thi from a Lucas" 😂
That probably would have been the big reveal in season 2. And would also explain why Plagueis couldn't master creating life. If he is involved with the witches and creating Osha/Mae, it wasn't the result he wanted, but it leads to the idea of the force dyad that Palpatine wanted.
Just wanted to say it was nice to hear you were also upset/distraught with how it ended. I sat as the credits rolled, dumbfounded, turned to my girlfriend and said, “at least the lightsaber fights were awesome…😢” because geez… now I’m not really sure what I spent the last 8 weeks watching lol
Bro that's literally what we're all saying.. and why Disney feels like they can continue to feed us BS and we'll say "thank you!" Because so many of us will continue to watch to see just the sweet lightsaber fights.. well I'm done now. Only way Disney will ever truly listen is if their wallet starts hurting.. that's never gonna happen tho. We're all way too stupid to stop paying for the tiny dopamine hit the good gives us.
I’ve never laughed out loud at how blatantly bad something is in a show and I’ve watched all the CW arrowverse shows. This episode made be laugh out loud in disbelief at least 3 times
@@WanderBrook the absurd way the witches sway like a Kumbaya camp circle and just hit the floor from *ONE* head flick made me cackle more than any CW CGI ever has
@@Cuban-J I don't believe those theories. If Leslie was such a master manipulator you'd think she'd at least be a decent writer lol. Makes way more sense to me that nobody worth their salt want to work with Star Wars and Leslie was at the bottom of the barrel.
Hoping they fiddle with things enough to explain Qirmir and Osha breaking off the main Sith "thread" and making a sub sect maybe still the Knights of Ren. Plagueis ends up weakened to where Sidious takes advantage and deals a mortal blow one way or another. If the set back in question was a previous Apprentice went rogue with their Acolyte. It still fits and gives us all a whole other branch of stuff the Jedi were possibly distracted by going into the events of the prequel trilogy. Also, I dont think Qimir will be without a saber for long. He had to have taken some if not most of the fallen ones on Khofar, but Osha bleeding her own and being her Jedi Master's, that has to add some extra sauce right? Maybe leading this one to become that saber the Knights of Ren follow the wielder of? Lastly wtf happened to Basil the tracker? Since we were told his language is known, he knows what happened on Khofar at least and can likely help "reset" Pip to Osha's settings/loadout and that might give Mae some of the unfiltered reality of what happened to her as well as her sister beyond Brendok. Making her into an ultimate double agent to Osha and Qimir. We don't know what Vernestra considered "too far gone/evil" to require striking down Qimir way back when, she could have made a similar decision like Sol in the heat of the moment and that might be why she seemingly empathized with him so much. She clearly valued him as a friend and colleague, or she wouldn't have said at least so earnestly, "Sorry, old friend." and carry out the cremation/funeral. Albeit she is covering the tracks of how he died by doing so too, so maybe this just isn't her first walk in the park in handling a cover-up 😅
The reason why Bazel sabotaged Sol, you mentioned it yourself. Witnessing him Infodumping offscreen what happened and noticing that Sol became increasingly unhinged. As a civilian he has no allegiance to Sol or even the Jedi, but he did what he considered right at the moment. Like not letting a deranged Jedi shoot down someone in hopes of stopping them - in the middle of a planetary ring.
The most stupid scene of this episode was when Mae was beneath Sol's feet but he couldn't sense her, even-though, he sensed her from miles away literally minutes ago.
i liked the part where they had a kyber crystal jangling around inside the tip of the lightsaber and still working instead of secured inside the center of the hilt lmao, apparently they cant even do lightsabers right
The scene where Osha bleeds the blue lightsaber to red instantaneously also doesn't make sense... Headland has forgotten that Anakin had way more intense darkside moments that could've changed his lightsaber to red but never happened: 1. The tusken raider massacre, 2. Operation Knightfall and 3. Duel with Kenobi. The bleeding of the crystal to red should've been more of an intentional thing, a focused ritual, rather than a spur of the moment... If not it just breaks Star Wars episodes 2 and 3, failing to remain coherrent with those films...
yea if i remember correctly theres a whole storyline with darth maul bleeding his kyber crystal where he "meditated" and fasted for like a week straight without leaving the room all just to bleed it, but nah i guess if your angry enough and provide at least one tear drop then you can bleed it in about 10 seconds on a whim :\
I agree with you, I think they just basically used the same lore they introduced in Jedi: Survivor, that it’s a very quick process and it’s some what done willingly
So the bleeding of the crystal depends on the person intention and location osha basically was able to bleed the crystal because of her intense hate and location which is concentrated in the same location which is way the crystal didn’t fight back either
if you remember Pip wont have any memories except for the last few episodes. Mae factory reset him in one of the episodes on the ship when he wouldn't listen to her, so they tied that end up at least so they can't scan him to find out more info on the sith or Mae and Ohsha either
My big problem was they wasted an entire episode replaying the death of the night witches. They could have easily added the revelations to the first time they showed that event. There is such an emphasis on big reveals when they start to get gimmicky.
I think the biggest thing is that they didn’t lean into the sith storyline enough obviously but this has so much potential so I would love to see super sith vibes in season 2.
I expected the Jedi council to be involved at a higher level. And I know that having the Jedi have their minds clouded by the dark side but how did Yoda not know about any of this?
@@sol20051yoda would definitely take 10 jedi murdered very seriously and would feel it immediately. large shifts in the force can be felt but forget that in the acolyte
Idk how yoda hasn't been shown or involved in any of this lol. They better save this by having him in season 2 and showing that he's been investigating this whole time and behind the scenes
it was common for apprentices to take on apprentices of their own (now i guess those are acolytes) and train them for years until both can take out the sith master , making Darth zipper face the sith master and osha the sith apprentice. and then Osha would take on Palpatine as an acolyte.
Bazil stopped Sol killing Mae. He knew it was wrong. And that's why Sol didn't react...he realised he was doing the wrong thing as well. The Force moves in mysterious ways.
@@randyschwaggins so he potentially crashes the ship and kills the both of them? He tried to attack her previously, so why would he care if she were killed? He also just saw the Stranger kill all the other Jedi so why would he protect Mae? He knew that Mae was with the Stranger who literally killed a bunch of Jedi that he was allied with. The writers were too clever by half, honestly.
Lee Jung-Jae did well in this series and I hope this doesn't hurt his career. His acting was there he was sadly betrayed by terrible writing and directing. This series should have followed Qimir from his fall to wanting to have his own acolyte and had Sol an Co. being tasked with hunting him down for the green one. That's a better coverup story than what we got.
I know everyone will be talking about plagueis but the bleeding of the kyber crystal looked so cool its changing color when osha ignited it was very ninth jedi.
definitely a cool scene, its too bad they dont know where a kyber crystal goes inside a lightsaber tho apparently because sol and Qimirs lightsabers had their crystals sitting at the tip of the hilt lmao
It was cool to see. But lame in who did it. It took Darth Vader time to do so, and with Sith eyes. This nobody gets to do it in 5 seconds 🙄. I think they should put more emphasis on the struggle during rights of passages. These abilities should not happen instantly.
Charlie, your theory of Osha might go to the darkside and Mae might go the other way was spot on! and the moment when the lightsaber changing its color from blue to red was freaking awesome.
Cool that Osha killed Sol without a weapon. Fully completed Mae’s mission from before. Also Pip did get factory reset by Mae when she took him to fix the ship, but he still remembers enough to be a loose thread!
I had no idea that lightsabers crystals could just change colour just because it's being held by a dark side user. I'm not sure I will be watching season 2 surely the Jedi that killed the mother of the two girls should have known enough not to make the mistakes he made during the first season before his death
Some how Plagius returned Dark side powers something something 🙄 their terrible characters can’t carry this 💩 show, they always rely on the original trilogy because they have NO original ideas 💡
couldv'e been an edit made well into airing. Poor computer animation, his hand was the same color and texture as the cave wall. This was 100% stuffed in after all the review bombing
You know he’s not the negative type, he won’t bash a show but you can clearly tell he’s fighting not to say how he really feels. Overall, this show was shit. Poorly written garbage.
I don’t think you are correct that Plagueis is the master. I think the only reason they tossed him in there was to make it seem like he got the idea for creating life from the force by being in the background witnessing the events of the twins being created, etc. At this point in the timeline, Plagueis is very young. Although they could be changing that too I suppose just like they changed a ton of other canon things in this show just to try to make it make sense.
I agree with you. Plagueis would have been only 15 at the oldest or not even born yet based even on dates found on wookieepedia. I guess they will have to change those dates now and arbitrarily add 50 years to his life.
They clearly don’t give af breaking canon. At this rate i believe they don’t even know what they’re doing with Plagueis yet. “Just show him mysteriously while we think about it. “ they don’t fucking know😭. Writers room scanning the forums as we speak like “oh someone solved our plot hole for us 😃”
@@MrOswift well the book that information is coming from isnt canon, literally has "legends" on the cover. All this stuff people are getting upset about are pretty much placeholders until film or TV changes it for actual Canon. Same thing happened with the prequels and the sequels
Perhaps the whole rationale for splitting the one person into two is this concept of the "force needing balance". Apparently the force created Anakin in response to Palpatine tinkering with said balance; maybe their Mother needed to create two to satisfy the balance in terms of a Yin/Yang. Had she created just one being, it would maybe tip the balance of the Force too much one way.
If The Acolyte doesn't get a second season they could do a spin-off and/or pick up the story where the finale left off in another show like they did with Ahsoka, Mandalorian & Boba Fett. It would allow the story to continue without all the uproar over another Acolyte season. There's too much potential now that Plagueis is in live action to just shelve everything. A Palpatine series could pick up where Acolyte left off.
Can someone explain how Osha managed to bleed a kyber crystal red after 20 seconds of being evil, but Anakin went full Hellspawn in ROTS and his stayed blue? Seems hugely inconsistent.
Bazel had no allegiance to Sol. He didn't like that Sol turned off his transponder and was running to Brendok. He could sense that Sol had kind of lost it.
I really hope they cancel this show. The story is written so badly, it hurts. It's literally telling me everything I knew about Jedi and Sith, is wrong. These are not Jedi. The Jedi's are basically the Sith and then they want to introduce Yoda, who could sense things "galaxies" away.... The show had potential with Darth Teeth, it's just the story has way too many things going on when it's really so SIMPLE to make a Star Wars story. I literally bleed Star Wars and this show needs to be rewritten or come out with another show. I wish Disney would hire me because they would be successful beyond imagination. I feel bad but at this point Star Wars is dead.
There's no knot to untie about Qimir and Osha. Osha is Qimir's apprentice. Plagious being on screen doesn't mean he's Qimir's master and it doesn't mean he has been on the Island the entire time. Those are two conclusions that you jumped to based off of one short reveal. Wandavision and Mafisto comes to mind.
I knew it. Darth Teeth was a powerful apprentice like Maul I don’t understand lying about everything and blaming Sol for it all. Because it causes the Senate to confirm its distrust of the Jedi opening things up for Palpatine a century later I was ok with most of the show. But this show was a waste of time now that it is complete. I think it's weird how Osha killed Sol because he killed her mother (and Sol didn't explain how it was an accident) but she joins the guy who killed a whole bunch of Jedi that she knew and liked some episodes ago. Sol killed one person on accident years ago but Osha chooses the killer she feared two days ago??? As soon as I saw Plagueis in this video, I blurted out "fuck off, show" If The Acolyte doesn't get a second season they could do a spin-off and/or pick up the story where the finale left off in another show as they did with Ahsoka, Mandalorian & Boba Fett. It would allow the story to continue without all the uproar over another Acolyte season. There's too much potential now that Plagueis is in live-action to just shelve everything. A Palpatine series could pick up where Acolyte left off. I don’t think you are correct that Plagueis is the master. I think the only reason they tossed him in there was to make it seem like he got the idea for creating life from the force by being in the background witnessing the events of the twins being created, etc. At this point in the timeline, Plague is very young. Although they could be changing that too I suppose just like they changed a ton of other canon things in this show just to try to make it make sense. It looks like they use the Yoda puppet from Empire Strikes Back…. so this is how Disney spent 180mil Why couldn’t both twins be apprentices if they are the same person? Darth Sidious was well aware of Ventress being Dooku's "assassin" and approved of her being used as a tool in their wider plot against the Jedi. It's only when Sidious suspected Dooku was training her not only to be an assassin but his Sith apprentice did Sidious ordered Dooku to kill her to prove his loyalty. That Basile (tracker) sabotage didn’t make any sense. Is the Senator played by Harewood really a villain? Maybe he just wants to put checks on the Jedi Order so that the order doesn't become something dark. I never expected the Martian Manhunter from Supergirl would have a cameo. That's a big surprise This is some JJ Abrams mystery box type of shit going on in this episode Just wanted to say it was nice to hear you were also upset/distraught with how it ended. I sat as the credits rolled, dumbfounded, turned to my girlfriend, and said, “At least the lightsaber fights were awesome…” because geez… now I’m not really sure what I spent the last 8 weeks watching lol this production team has no right to introduce Darth Pelagius We've opened the Darth Plagueis box and it can't be closed - I think the best-case scenario is his story plays out but with a totally new show and showrunner to attempt to right the ship. Base it on the book. I don't think Mother Aniseya tried to create two children, I think she tried to create a child but the Force created the twins. The stupidest scene of this episode was beneath Sol's feet but he couldn't sense her, even, though he sensed her from miles away literally minutes ago. Now playing Sydney Sweeney to Join the MCU?! Kevin Feige Reportedly Wants NEW Spider-Man Romance in Spiderman 4 WDW Pro Now playing Post-Covid Comic-Con Spectacular - Marvel Studios SDCC 2022 Blind Wave Just wanted to say it was nice to hear you were also upset/distraught with how it ended. I sat as the credits rolled, dumbfounded, turned to my girlfriend, and said, “At least the lightsaber fights were awesome…” Because geez… now I’m not really sure what I spent the last 8 weeks watching lol Surprised that no one mentions it as a possible projection of Plagueis you mentioned it yourself. Witnessing him Infodumping offscreen what happened and noticing that Sol became increasingly unhinged. As a civilian, he has no allegiance to Sol or even the Jedi, but he does what he considers right at the moment. Like not letting a deranged Jedi shoot down someone in hopes of stopping them - in the middle of a planetary ring. If you think a bit about Plaguis in the show it kinda makes sense, he has had Mae close for a while when she was trained, and now he has Osha, he might be studying them to figure out how to manipulate the force to create Anakin. The voice on the secret phone call sounded like Ian McDiarmid's The Colt McCoy Story Underdog Originals 47K views 4 days ago New You can tell they put the scene of the plague last minute. The "dark" special effects and the quickness of it prove that Can someone explain how Osha managed to bleed a Kyber Crystal red after 20 seconds of being evil, but Anakin went full Hellspawn in ROTS and he stayed blue? Seems hugely inconsistent. The spilled must be because the vergence in the force was so strong the mother had to split them in two...but hopefully, we still have season 2 of Palaptine: have you ever heard of the tragedy of the Acolyte show?... I think not it’s not something the Jedi would recommend you about Osha is Mace Windu's mother. 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I think one thing that was kinda overlooked in this room based off the story told to us is the special connection between Osha and Mei. It was kind of assumed that maybe their mother gave them a “nursery rhyme” as a special motto or sentiment for the two to recite to each to keep their bond between each other strong. But in this finale towards the end of the episode when Mei and Osha were hugging and Osha starting saying the song the two have sang to each other other throughout the season (even while apart), it was hinted that no one ever taught that song to either of them. They just know it. I think that is foreshadowing to the force speaking directly to them for whatever force and power that was used to create them. Or maybe that chant was spoken in the process of making then when the ‘one’ child was still just one. I dont know where the plot will go from there with that but it was interesting to me.
I will 100% support this show if season 2 introduces Palpatine and he slaughters Osha, Qimir, and Mae. Palpatine saves the canon. After seeing Plagueis, I’m upset the show isn’t focused on him or an origin for Palpatine.
Charlie, I was so disappointed by the finale and the series as a whole. Fan service by adding Plagueis and Yoda in the finale could not save what was a dumpster fire of a show.
The fighting was near perfect for Star Wars and the lore was very on point even bringing stuff from legends, like that metal that’s block out sabers ,showing us a bleeding crystal, showing plagus and yoda, .. the skill of a true master and sith apprentice, and multiple Jedi dying on screen .. showing how plagus came up with the idea to create the chosen one.. the show was good‼️🤦♂️
@@GerrianLebron the only thing that was good were fight scenes. "Mystery" which lasted whole 2 episodes, fuckton of plotholes and just things that don't make sense. Like Aniseya trying some dark side mumbojambo next to a jedi. Mae starting a fire just because? Whole coven of witches dying bc they mind controlled a wookie?
There needs to be a season 2 to explain Vernestra and Quimirs past, and also his relation to darth plagueis. It feels like the enemies to lovers thing was just added in during the final stages of the writing, to add some juice and make a Star Wars product that would suit the times (enemies to lovers has been a huge trope in the book industry for a while now) and I guess they just needed to lay down the foundations of Oshas story first before going more in depth about her further down the line when she inevitably becomes super powerful. This first season was definitely messy but there’s some good potential for further story development that would be a lot more exciting to see if more seasons are funded.
I feel like a story in the old republic would’ve been way better than this. You could actually focus on the Sith and not worry too much about the lore since there were so many sith at the time.i love the old republic I would hate to see Disney fumble it
I also had this same idea but it would have to happen several decades later from the show. I feel that either Qimir and or Osha will already be dead by the time Plagueius discovers Sheev Palpatine on Naboo
Also, regardless of what he did, Sol deserved WAY better for a send-off. That was probably the most frustrating part for me because I grew to like his character so much in such a short time. I knew he might not make it, but come on… not even an honorable way or anything :\
Episode 7 kinda reveals that the information Sol operated on was out of context and unfounded - although his heart was in the right place and his righteousness was used to justify his actions, he ultimately made the wrong choice out of fear and prejudice. They all should’ve listened to Indara
I read somewhere sometime ago (probably in a galaxy far away), that the Sith masters always start with two apprentices and then they must fight to the death and the master picks the winner. This means Qymir can't be Plagueis's apprentice without first finding someone to second him. Thus Qymir search for Osha/Mae. He needs an apprentice - to kill later, so he can be the chosen one!!!
I think it's weird how Osha killed Sol because he killed her mother (and Sol didn't explain how it was an accident) but she joins the guy that killed a whole bunch of Jedi that she knew and liked some episodes ago. Sol killed one person on accident years ago but Osha chooses the killer she feared two days ago???
I don’t understand lying about everything and blaming sol for it all. Because it causes the senate to confirm its distrust of the Jedi opening things up for palpatine a century later
My theory : Once Plagueis will consider that they learned all they needed from Osha to manipulate midiclorian, he will ask Quimir to get rid of her. Like Palpatine asked Doku to get rid of Asaj. But Quimir will refuse (possibly because of romance or because she saves him from Vernestra), so Plagueis will proceed to kill both. Then he moves on to recruit Shiv Palpatine
The ending was off but you can't deny some parts of this series was actually good especially the fight scenes. I hope they make a season 2 which focuses on Qimir and Plagueis and get good writers who actually knows what they are doing
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Here's my FULL Star Wars Acolyte Episode 8 Finale video and Easter Eggs. Post all your reactions in the comments! Here's my House Of The Dragon Season 2 Episode 6 video too! ua-cam.com/video/kni6nqCDcpA/v-deo.html
I was just thinking 10s ago, what is Charlie doing? He couldn't possibly be sleeping!
Nope!
@@emergencyawesome Darth Plaqueis was Palpatines Master in StarWars Legends.
In Canon we only know a Sith Lord named Darth Plaqueis existed and was killed in his Sleep by his Apprentice (According to Palpatine who you can trust so far as you can throw hin😁)
It is in Canon only implied that he was Darth Siddious Master, not actual stated (at least not to my knowledge)
So a possible Season 2 and further (be on TV or Anime or a Novel) could give new light to it^^
I had lots of trouble with this series. I've actually been having lots of trouble with almost everything Disney and HBO. Lol I wish you was talking about a couple of other shows from other networks, but I have tried and I'll finish these shows but not excited as much.
Acolyte should have been about the Sith
The acoltyle was all the friends we killed along the way.
The series is a Jim Carroll Band song.
Funny enough I thought the same thing when I saw the episode title😂
season 2 is an email
the acolyte is you... the acolyte is also me... we're all the acolytes
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
Darth Sidious was well aware of Ventress being Dooku's "assassin" and approved of her being used as a tool in their wider plot against the Jedi. It's only when Sidious suspected Dooku was training her not only to be an assassin but his Sith apprentice did Sidious order Dooku to kill her to prove his loyality.
Yes, and Plagues was the wise not the the stealer of ideas. (glory to the cult of witches that achieved what jedi and sith couldn't in thousand of years! )
I'm torn on if it's this, or if Qimir is trying to start his own lineage as a Rival. Either way, season 2! 😂
Usually they are all aware of their apprentice's secret apprentices. Its good to keep them around should the real apprentice fall. They only tell them to kill the secret apprentice when it threatens the master's dominance
@@joeeaster1528 Darth Tenebrous had multiple apprentices besides Plagues. He and his twilek master have conducted several rituals that caught the eyes of the jedi and they were almost discovered...(legends material). Disney should have gone this route, not the wanabe sith that's a combination of kylo and maul(of course a discount version)
@@Murph709 It depends Tenebrous had multiple apprentices (veramis was raised as a possible replacement should plagues die). Maul was trained by Sidious but Plagues knew / had given concent and Dooku had tried multiple times to raise a sith durring tcw. It's better to ahve replacement if anything happens to one of the dark lord( in season 2, they probably reveal that Quimir is plagues replacement possibly before Sidious)
Can someone explain to me why Mae went back to the Jedi when they would clearly want her to pay for those deaths? How does wiping her mind and sending her back to the Jedi benefit Qimir and Osha at all? Why wouldn’t she go with Qimir and Osha or at least escape and go into hiding somewhere?
THIS!!!! This is what everyone should be talking about! This made NO SENSE AT ALL!!!!!
So that don't have to kill Mae and so the Jedi can't use her to then find OSHA Qimir
Mae didn't wanna be a Sith and she was tired of running. She was giving herself up
it's because she won't remember who trained her, cant remember who the stranger is, doesnt know Osha went with the stranger. Keeping sith identity a secret
Didn't want to be Sith any more and don't want to fight anymore details matter or at pay attention to the show and don't be in your phone while watching.
The crazy thing about all of this is that this whole time I though Sol was Han from fast and furious, just to find out Sol is bro from Squid Games LOL
That Basile (tracker) sabotage didn’t make any sense.
Right like wtf was that about
Bro that foo pissed me tf offfff
ur nitpicking.
@@Billiepippen NO ..This series was a dumsterfire
its obvious to me... his real name is Darth Basil and he was a sith lord the entire time!
Wonder if Darth Plagueis is just lurking and spying, not really training anyone? Qimir is a Dark Force user, so maybe Plagueis came to suss out what was going on, like the Jedi were on Brandok.
plaggy not only trained him, I think he is why hes alive. plags used his powers to keep him alive as it said he could.
I think plag is why this sith is alive. he used his life giving ability to save that guy from being kashed to pieces by that purple whip saber. she probably caught hin practicing evil and let him have it and just bounced
@@Billiepippen Hmmm. Interesting. His old master certainly seemed surprised he was alive.
Maybe Plagoo felt all the Jedi dying. That’s got to have an effect in the force that someone like him could feel.
@AR-io8fv it's a lot of maybe this, maybe that, telling that the story writing is horrible
That’s exactly why yoda kept saying fear is the path to the dark side that saying take on a whole new meaning now, fear causes you to have unclear visions of the future that may lead you to manifesting those fears which leads you into the dark side of the force type ish
Great observation. This does bring on a whole new meaning. Anakin's vision of Padme. Even Luke was acting out of fear and brought his training to a halt to try and save Han, Leia, Chewie, and C-3PO.
They had Plagueis hiding like a creep 😂.
Complete with theatrically creepy witch fingers.... Just awful
I think Sol was just trying really hard to justify his deeds to HIMSELF. He had to believe it was the "right thing to do" in order to live with himself.
Mae & osha's mother went all demon mode on everyone and anyone in sol's position would have killed her. This is one of the reasons this show failed. Then at the end Mae and osha just switched spots... this series was str8 dumpster juice
Sol didnt do anything wrong tho lol, torbin and his guilt made no sense
This may be true with regard to the death of the mother but I didn't understand why the show painted the Jedi intervention as the cause of the death of the whole coven. The analogy of how foreign intervention led to genocide was too forced. For one, the coven was hostile and dangerous, the members exhibited powers that could debilitate and possess another. It was unfortunate that things escalated but the witches were equally culpable for the incident. I can understand Torbin suffering from PTSD (and maybe survivor's guilt) but what else could've been done?
Sol's way of atoning was to care for Osha, so to have Osha kill him without hesitation did not make any sense. He really cared about those girls. If he was hell bent on keeping the incident a secret, he had numerous opportunities to kill Mae.
Another thing that bothered me was that there really wasn't any explanation why the coven had to create a child and split it in two. What was the significance of this? And how did it translate to the characters of Osha and Mae because they were portrayed as ordinary twins? 😅
@@jchildermass5833 You pose some great questions my friend, all of which are hopefully left unanswered because i do not wanna see a second season of this lmao
@@jchildermass5833Sol was selfish af and held a family death from Osha. He lied about it several times. Osha was fed up with the lies and Sol had to pay for his greed. It’s not hard to figure out.
Another possibility with Plageius is that he wasn't always there on the island, but felt powerful dark side energy from that planet and is investigating the energy. Hence why he's hiding.
Possibly taking his time to see which of them will be a more powerful apprentice before he reveals himself.
I hope so. That'd be way better than Plagueis just hiding this whole time and watching things play out.
Yeah, I'd say he's sneaking around trying to see if Osha could replace Qimir. They like to play games like that.
Exactly! I think Charlie was wrong about him being Sith.
Lmao these people are coping
This is the direction this series would have to go in if they do a season 2!!! Get some better writers or at least better story development.
I’m honestly happy for Plagueis. Good for him getting his live action debut!
One interesting thing about Osha/Mae being the same person is that you could see in this episode that Osha picked up Mae's fighting style/ability and also Mae picked up Osha's mechanic experience when she reprogrammed pip and opened the door. So it's almost like how Naruto's shadow clones work where the main body picks up skills and experience from the clones. The fact that Mae was stronger when they were kids is probably all due to the fact that they've always been more attuned to the dark side and since Mae was more passionate and possessive it made her stronger in the force which is why Osha didn't becomes strong until she tapped into the dark side. Which kind of makes sense since they came from a dark side groups of witches. This also means that Mae's mind wipe cannot possibly be permanent because if Osha remembers it then it means that Mae will remember whenever they next "sync up".
there is NOTHING interesting about the "twins"
@@jackv7572 Someone finds something interesting and you don't. "Let me reply to tell him I don't find it interesting!"
Cool story bro. Way to add to a conversation.
@@oolong2 Geez sensitive? I just feel you are trying to come up with something + about two boring characters in a badly constructed story, thanks gawd will probably never see them again.
@@jackv7572 When you get older you'll realize that many people can find things interesting that you don't. CRaZy isn't it?....
The vision didn't changed. She saw herself and thought it was Mae cause she thought she would never harm Sol
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
Exactly
That's what I thought too
Also they're the same person so technically it was Mae
Teasing plagious for 3 seconds is insane. The show should have been about him and palpatine.
I talk about what the showrunners original plans were, and why it seems like the show wound up being so non-sith.
EXACTLY
Watch the video before you comment.
It might help.
This entire show has been the most pointless and frustrating Star Wars content ever released.
This show was set about a hundred years before episode 1. Palpatine wouldn't have been born yet.
Plagueis was at the ascension in a hooded robe, he knew about osha/mae from the get go. There was 2 hooded figures that disapear when the jedi show up
Really? Totally missed that.
Two? That would be Darth Tenebrous. interesting
There are four. Seems to be part of the ritual.
@@vincentsuarez2523 I hope we learn more about the coven and these mysterious hooded figures in season 2
Osha and Mae should’ve been the “targets” not the main characters. Qimir should’ve been the main character and Plaegus’ voice should’ve been the shadow looming over the whole series setting the stage for what the stakes actually were. This show has so much potential and they got caught up trying to be clever with all of the setup. IF this show gets a season 2 they have to actually “do the thing” instead of just setting up the thing they wanna do. Great show in some points, overall I wanted more.
This
Are you really thinking about the plot? Oh my god so old fashioned! You have to focus on powaful leader 😍
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
Agreed, but they need to fire all the writers/directors to make a solid second season
@@jackv7572- Yeah, give it to F&F and crew. They can make it better.
You forgot about all the jedi that went to Brendok with Venestra that investigated the scene and would've found evidence of the light saber battle (the slashed up bridgeway). How do you keep them all quiet? The implications that Sol fought a lightsaber wielding opponent implies that the opponent was not a jedi.
yea that shit made no sense, apparently everyone just believes sol choked himself to death somehow and takes it at face value
Fair point but I think Vernestra probably said that was also evidence from the brendok evidence 16 years earlier
@@Darthtoneeee even then theres also the 7 dead jedi on the other planet, who apparently got swept under the rug and no one questions how they were killed
they wouldnt be able to know if it was from 16 years ago or now... for all they know it could have just been sol trying to kill the girls
@@fknpanda7280 they answer how they were killed.. with a lightsaber. But they blame those light saber wounds on Sol too. He's the fall guy here. If he had a squeaky clean record it'd be harder to believe, but its also come out now that he and the other 3 jedi on Brendok fucked it all up and have been hiding the truth ever since. Not a good look and the dead man cant clear his name now.
I take solace that these new characters don’t mean shit by the prequels
yep exactly...Plagious should just wipe off Qimir & Osha.
Oh you see Darth Plaguies actually learned how to creater life from Osha's mom lmao.
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
I disagree. I think this show is the reason why Yoda was giving a side glance at Mace Windu and Ki-Adi Mundi when Windu and Mundi said the Sith have been extinct for a millennium. Yoda knew that there was a possibility they still existed because Vernestra Rwoh filled him in on the events of this show.
@@user-ku7jn6fc6g Which is nonsense because Lucas thinking of this garbage when he wrote that scene.
The vision Osha saw was exactly what happened at the end, I think it’s supposed to play into how Qimir is the only one who never confused the twins, he always knew who was who, while Sol calls Mae Osha multiple times, and it’s supposed to be that ironically, all those who haven’t accepted their own darkness are blinded by fear to the point they don’t recognize what’s right in front of them, even if it’s literally herself she’s seeing. So clouded by fear she can’t even accept what’s right in front of her eyes (well, in the force version of eyes I guess)
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
I never expected the Martian Manhunter from Supergirl would have a cameo. That's a big surprise
Hahaha! Right?!? 😂
David Harewood. OG British actor.
We don’t have confirmation that the stranger is connected to plaguies right? For all we know he was snooping. The stranger said Jedi might call him Sith but he was not calling himself a Sith. I imagine plaguies would call himself a Sith but if his apprentice would not call himself a Sith, it makes me think they aren’t collaborating.
I mean, it's not supposed to be known that the Sith still exist. So as far as we know, stranger was just lying and not revealing that he was a sith, otherwise he'd fuck up the main Sith plan
leslie headland said in an interview that qimir is a sith so idk
Yes and plaguuies had actual sith eyes
Best theory i got so far is: Both Plagueis and Qimir were trained by Tenebrous, which would make Qimir Darth Venamis. Tenebrous was involved with the Witches of Brendok and the conceiving of the twins, something that Plagueis took interest too(quest for eternal life and midichlorian influence). However, Qimir did not care and only wanted to practice the dark side himself and unbothered so he killed Tenebrous before the series.
This would explain why Qimir is so confident in training an acolyte to make them an apprentice to him, who would be the new sith master. He expects no punishment from almost revealing the sith to the jedi because their is no other sith to rival him. If Plagueis was Qimir's master i dont think Qimir would bring Osha and Mae there as it would be too obvious to Plagueis. In the end Plagueis seems to be spying on Qimir as he aims to not only eliminate his competition left after Tenebrous death, but he also aims to learn more about the midichlorian influence to eventually create a perfect darkside being (which he will fail in and cause the force to retaliate by conceiving the chosen one to bring universal balance(Anakin).
@EmilianoJimenez-e2v sounds terrible lol. Timeline is horrible and venamis was thr same race as tenebrous so that wpuld be another change. This show is terrible considering the money they spent
Is the Senator played by Harewood really a villain? Maybe he just wants to put checks on the Jedi Order so that the order doesn't become something dark.
Maybe an antagonist...but no, not a villain. How could you disagree with anything Harewood's character said?
considering what happens with Vader the senator is 100 percent correct
No, it’s Not Yoda. Listen again to who Venestra is talking to. It’s Young Palpatine. I recognize that voice really quickly.
I was thinking that too! It had that Darth Sidious Twang!
Darth Vader also had Star killer too. And Darth Maul sided with hos brother Savage to take down Palpatine. So there's always been more than two struggling for power.
@@apollian I would say it's a bit more nuanced. There's always two sith at the top, or in power. Sith lord and apprentice. The top apprentice can have an apprentice. It propagates the rule of two.
isnt that always the thing of the sith to take out the master at least the thing i remember from playing kotor 1 so much that malak wouldnt stop saying
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
It actually doesn't break any cannon for Plageus to have more than one apprentice, If you read the book about Plageus and Palpatine then it is reveals that Plageus did have multiple apprentices, he just kept them on different planets so each apprentice wouldn't know about the other so they couldn't conspire against Plageus. I remember aside from Palpatine he had one other apprentice who was some sort of aquatic race, cant remember its name or what planet it was on. can someone jog my memory?
I don't think cannon means what you think it means.
@@AlanDantes76 I mean Legends
If you think a bit about Plaguis in the show it kinda makes sense, he has had Mae close for a while when she was trained, now he has Osha, he might be studying them to figure out how to manipulate the force to create Anakin.
It doesn't make sense because Aniseya pulled it off. It just undermines Plaguis because this was supposed to be his thing.
Nowhere in the entire series was it even intimated that Qimir was Plagueis' apprentice. Plagueis senses Qimir but knows nothing about him or that he was Vernestra Rwoh's apprentice at an earlier stage. It is most likely that Qimir becomes a Knights of Ren member.
The reason behind the creation of the twins was that they were to be used as a sacrifice to keep the witch coven from dying out. At least, that was the impression Sol was under and why he and the other's went to "rescue" them.
Plagueis may have been known to Osha and Mae. He looked to be one of the hooded members (who's face was not visible) at the ceremony where Mae was "tattooed" on the head with that Yin/Yang symbol before being interrupted by the Jedi. This might also have been where Plagueis learned how to manipulate the midi chlorians in order to create life.
We've opened the Darth Plagueis box and it can't be closed - I think the best case scenario is his story plays out but with a totally new show and show runner to attempt to right the ship. Base it on the book.
The best case scenario is that the there is no season 2 because the show was absolute and utter garbage.
the show is fine ur just racist.
@@AlanDantes76but you missed the point about the box being opened now….
Yeah, box is open now. Now they need to weave this vergence, the witches, the twins, and the tragedy of Plagueis ("he could influence the midichlorians to create... life"), into Anakin's arc without p1ssing us all off
Best case is they never do shit. This show is garbage
Palaptine: have you ever heard of the tragedy of the Acolyte I think not it’s not something the Jedi would teach you about
Is it possble to learn this power? 😂
Someone else said "have you heard the tragedy of Darth Kennedy the Panderer, its not a story Lucasfilm would tell you, its a Disney legend... you won't learn thi from a Lucas" 😂
Palaptine: have you ever heard of the tragedy of the Acolyte show?... I think not it’s not something the Jedi would recommend you about
It's something that the Jedi would cover up
I liked the show but this is funny af😂
Qimir in that last scene about to create life with Osha in front of Plagueis
I don't think Mother Aniseya tried to create two children, I think she tried to create a child but the Force created the twins.
That probably would have been the big reveal in season 2. And would also explain why Plagueis couldn't master creating life. If he is involved with the witches and creating Osha/Mae, it wasn't the result he wanted, but it leads to the idea of the force dyad that Palpatine wanted.
Just wanted to say it was nice to hear you were also upset/distraught with how it ended. I sat as the credits rolled, dumbfounded, turned to my girlfriend and said, “at least the lightsaber fights were awesome…😢” because geez… now I’m not really sure what I spent the last 8 weeks watching lol
Bro that's literally what we're all saying.. and why Disney feels like they can continue to feed us BS and we'll say "thank you!" Because so many of us will continue to watch to see just the sweet lightsaber fights.. well I'm done now. Only way Disney will ever truly listen is if their wallet starts hurting.. that's never gonna happen tho. We're all way too stupid to stop paying for the tiny dopamine hit the good gives us.
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
I’ve never laughed out loud at how blatantly bad something is in a show and I’ve watched all the CW arrowverse shows. This episode made be laugh out loud in disbelief at least 3 times
You nailed it, I was soooooo frustrated when it went to credits. I cant believe I watch all 8 episodes for this.
@@WanderBrook the absurd way the witches sway like a Kumbaya camp circle and just hit the floor from *ONE* head flick made me cackle more than any CW CGI ever has
lmao they were afraid a Sith based series wouldn't be popular then they approved THIS? 😂
I know they're so retarded for that
I know right I feel like someone is lying to cover their own ass
They approved this because Leslie knows a lot of secrets and they want to keep her quiet.
@@Cuban-J I don't believe those theories. If Leslie was such a master manipulator you'd think she'd at least be a decent writer lol.
Makes way more sense to me that nobody worth their salt want to work with Star Wars and Leslie was at the bottom of the barrel.
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
Hoping they fiddle with things enough to explain Qirmir and Osha breaking off the main Sith "thread" and making a sub sect maybe still the Knights of Ren. Plagueis ends up weakened to where Sidious takes advantage and deals a mortal blow one way or another. If the set back in question was a previous Apprentice went rogue with their Acolyte. It still fits and gives us all a whole other branch of stuff the Jedi were possibly distracted by going into the events of the prequel trilogy.
Also, I dont think Qimir will be without a saber for long. He had to have taken some if not most of the fallen ones on Khofar, but Osha bleeding her own and being her Jedi Master's, that has to add some extra sauce right? Maybe leading this one to become that saber the Knights of Ren follow the wielder of?
Lastly wtf happened to Basil the tracker? Since we were told his language is known, he knows what happened on Khofar at least and can likely help "reset" Pip to Osha's settings/loadout and that might give Mae some of the unfiltered reality of what happened to her as well as her sister beyond Brendok. Making her into an ultimate double agent to Osha and Qimir. We don't know what Vernestra considered "too far gone/evil" to require striking down Qimir way back when, she could have made a similar decision like Sol in the heat of the moment and that might be why she seemingly empathized with him so much. She clearly valued him as a friend and colleague, or she wouldn't have said at least so earnestly, "Sorry, old friend." and carry out the cremation/funeral. Albeit she is covering the tracks of how he died by doing so too, so maybe this just isn't her first walk in the park in handling a cover-up 😅
The reason why Bazel sabotaged Sol, you mentioned it yourself. Witnessing him Infodumping offscreen what happened and noticing that Sol became increasingly unhinged. As a civilian he has no allegiance to Sol or even the Jedi, but he did what he considered right at the moment. Like not letting a deranged Jedi shoot down someone in hopes of stopping them - in the middle of a planetary ring.
This is some JJ Abrams mystery box type of shit going on in this episode...
😂😂😂😂😂😂
J J Abrams was probably shaking uncontrollably watching the episode lol
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
The most stupid scene of this episode was when Mae was beneath Sol's feet but he couldn't sense her, even-though, he sensed her from miles away literally minutes ago.
i liked the part where they had a kyber crystal jangling around inside the tip of the lightsaber and still working instead of secured inside the center of the hilt lmao, apparently they cant even do lightsabers right
It was just a horrible series in whole
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
The scene where Osha bleeds the blue lightsaber to red instantaneously also doesn't make sense... Headland has forgotten that Anakin had way more intense darkside moments that could've changed his lightsaber to red but never happened: 1. The tusken raider massacre, 2. Operation Knightfall and 3. Duel with Kenobi. The bleeding of the crystal to red should've been more of an intentional thing, a focused ritual, rather than a spur of the moment... If not it just breaks Star Wars episodes 2 and 3, failing to remain coherrent with those films...
yea if i remember correctly theres a whole storyline with darth maul bleeding his kyber crystal where he "meditated" and fasted for like a week straight without leaving the room all just to bleed it, but nah i guess if your angry enough and provide at least one tear drop then you can bleed it in about 10 seconds on a whim :\
Og bleeding a light saber crystal requires torturing the crystal
I think an explanation is that she is strong asf and completely switched whereas the people you mentioned weren’t fully dark side
I agree with you, I think they just basically used the same lore they introduced in Jedi: Survivor, that it’s a very quick process and it’s some what done willingly
So the bleeding of the crystal depends on the person intention and location osha basically was able to bleed the crystal because of her intense hate and location which is concentrated in the same location which is way the crystal didn’t fight back either
if you remember Pip wont have any memories except for the last few episodes. Mae factory reset him in one of the episodes on the ship when he wouldn't listen to her, so they tied that end up at least so they can't scan him to find out more info on the sith or Mae and Ohsha either
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Thanks for the video 😁
Thanks! It should be fixed in a couple minutes!
My big problem was they wasted an entire episode replaying the death of the night witches. They could have easily added the revelations to the first time they showed that event. There is such an emphasis on big reveals when they start to get gimmicky.
Surprised that no one mentions Qmir as a possible projection of Plagueis
Isn’t Qmir a physical person? People have interacted with his physical form, he can’t be a projection.
this production team has no right to introduce Darth Plagius
I think the biggest thing is that they didn’t lean into the sith storyline enough obviously but this has so much potential so I would love to see super sith vibes in season 2.
I expected the Jedi council to be involved at a higher level. And I know that having the Jedi have their minds clouded by the dark side but how did Yoda not know about any of this?
The prequels (1-3) shows that the Jedi view the sith as a relic. Yoda may have seen this as beneath him.
I've just closed my brain to it now, 8 or more dead Jedi and no investigation into how that could have happened.
@@sol20051yoda would definitely take 10 jedi murdered very seriously and would feel it immediately. large shifts in the force can be felt but forget that in the acolyte
This is another thing that was not explained. Who sensed the vergance and sent Jedi to investigate. Yoda is the obvious choice.
Idk how yoda hasn't been shown or involved in any of this lol. They better save this by having him in season 2 and showing that he's been investigating this whole time and behind the scenes
The spilt must be because the vergence in the force was so strong the mother had to split them in two...but hopefully we still have season 2
it was common for apprentices to take on apprentices of their own (now i guess those are acolytes) and train them for years until both can take out the sith master , making Darth zipper face the sith master and osha the sith apprentice. and then Osha would take on Palpatine as an acolyte.
If the two are split , then if one is killed both die.
Rwoh- “set up a 5 click perimeter”. Everyone runs side by side following the tracker. 🤣 Great perimeter!!
My vibe for this episode ended when that Bazil ripped the cables from the ship for no apparent reason.
And then Sol didn’t even react to it. He just saw it was Bazil and then just forgot about it. Made no sense
There is no explanation for what happened. It was frankly completely odd. Don’t know what the writers were thinking.
Made no sense.
Bazil stopped Sol killing Mae. He knew it was wrong. And that's why Sol didn't react...he realised he was doing the wrong thing as well.
The Force moves in mysterious ways.
@@randyschwaggins so he potentially crashes the ship and kills the both of them? He tried to attack her previously, so why would he care if she were killed? He also just saw the Stranger kill all the other Jedi so why would he protect Mae? He knew that Mae was with the Stranger who literally killed a bunch of Jedi that he was allied with. The writers were too clever by half, honestly.
Lee Jung-Jae did well in this series and I hope this doesn't hurt his career. His acting was there he was sadly betrayed by terrible writing and directing. This series should have followed Qimir from his fall to wanting to have his own acolyte and had Sol an Co. being tasked with hunting him down for the green one. That's a better coverup story than what we got.
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
You can tell they put the plagues scene last minute. The "dark" special effects and the quickness of it proves that
yes they did it the night before quickly, because that's how tv production works
I know everyone will be talking about plagueis but the bleeding of the kyber crystal looked so cool its changing color when osha ignited it was very ninth jedi.
definitely a cool scene, its too bad they dont know where a kyber crystal goes inside a lightsaber tho apparently because sol and Qimirs lightsabers had their crystals sitting at the tip of the hilt lmao
It was cool to see. But lame in who did it. It took Darth Vader time to do so, and with Sith eyes. This nobody gets to do it in 5 seconds 🙄. I think they should put more emphasis on the struggle during rights of passages. These abilities should not happen instantly.
@@peterchavez9024 happened that way in Jedi Survivor. what's more canon, a game played by millions or a comic book read by thousands?
Charlie, your theory of Osha might go to the darkside and Mae might go the other way was spot on! and the moment when the lightsaber changing its color from blue to red was freaking awesome.
Cool that Osha killed Sol without a weapon. Fully completed Mae’s mission from before. Also Pip did get factory reset by Mae when she took him to fix the ship, but he still remembers enough to be a loose thread!
This series doesn't deserve a second season, that would just be rewarding a series that was mediocre and had a lot of potential.
The voice on the secret phone call sounded like Ian McDiarmid.
absolutely
I wish Bazil would’ve pulled the plug on this show.
Osha is Mace Windu mother.
lol
You're thinking of Pass Windu
I had no idea that lightsabers crystals could just change colour just because it's being held by a dark side user. I'm not sure I will be watching season 2 surely the Jedi that killed the mother of the two girls should have known enough not to make the mistakes he made during the first season before his death
There won't be a season 2.
Palaptine: have you ever heard of the tragedy of the Acolyte show?... I think not it’s not something the Jedi would recommend you about
I don’t think Qimir knew Plagueis was there.
Plagius was added seriously last minute people.
That's what I was thinking
Some how Plagius returned
Dark side powers something something 🙄 their terrible characters can’t carry this 💩 show, they always rely on the original trilogy because they have NO original ideas 💡
@Michael-yv6pe you can tell by the shotty CGI and he plays no part in the story. He was shoehorned because the show tanked
couldv'e been an edit made well into airing. Poor computer animation, his hand was the same color and texture as the cave wall. This was 100% stuffed in after all the review bombing
Never should’ve been
David Harewood is in the new Alan Wake game- in perhaps the coolest 10 minute scene ever in a video game. IYKYK.
Gotta love Sam Lake 😌👌🏻
This show could have been a three episode arc in a Darth Plagious show.
Second season should show Qimirs n Venestra back story cuz that would probably be a decent show, sus vibes from Venestra from the getgo
You know a show has issues when Charlie spends a little time venting about it 😂
You know he’s not the negative type, he won’t bash a show but you can clearly tell he’s fighting not to say how he really feels. Overall, this show was shit. Poorly written garbage.
@@EricDeanCampbell this show was bad, no way I could blow my load on something like this. Maybe Andor? Yeah, I’ll cum to to that!
lol same I’m actually shocked he even had negative emotions
I don’t think you are correct that Plagueis is the master. I think the only reason they tossed him in there was to make it seem like he got the idea for creating life from the force by being in the background witnessing the events of the twins being created, etc. At this point in the timeline, Plagueis is very young. Although they could be changing that too I suppose just like they changed a ton of other canon things in this show just to try to make it make sense.
I agree with you. Plagueis would have been only 15 at the oldest or not even born yet based even on dates found on wookieepedia. I guess they will have to change those dates now and arbitrarily add 50 years to his life.
@@mikegala7276these writers have no idea when people were born… I wouldn’t count on that at all
They clearly don’t give af breaking canon. At this rate i believe they don’t even know what they’re doing with Plagueis yet. “Just show him mysteriously while we think about it. “ they don’t fucking know😭. Writers room scanning the forums as we speak like “oh someone solved our plot hole for us 😃”
@@MrOswift well the book that information is coming from isnt canon, literally has "legends" on the cover. All this stuff people are getting upset about are pretty much placeholders until film or TV changes it for actual Canon. Same thing happened with the prequels and the sequels
Perhaps the whole rationale for splitting the one person into two is this concept of the "force needing balance". Apparently the force created Anakin in response to Palpatine tinkering with said balance; maybe their Mother needed to create two to satisfy the balance in terms of a Yin/Yang. Had she created just one being, it would maybe tip the balance of the Force too much one way.
"Darknes rises and light to meet it" 🤷♂️
@@imtired1696 Aye. Who knows anyway we'll find out in the future.
If The Acolyte doesn't get a second season they could do a spin-off and/or pick up the story where the finale left off in another show like they did with Ahsoka, Mandalorian & Boba Fett. It would allow the story to continue without all the uproar over another Acolyte season. There's too much potential now that Plagueis is in live action to just shelve everything. A Palpatine series could pick up where Acolyte left off.
Can someone explain how Osha managed to bleed a kyber crystal red after 20 seconds of being evil, but Anakin went full Hellspawn in ROTS and his stayed blue? Seems hugely inconsistent.
Anakin's kyber crystal was stronger than Sol's. Or Osha is much stronger than Anakin.
@@randyschwaggins ...you're kidding right?
same way it happened in that jedi survivor game, no one seemed to complain about it in that
Reasons
No, no one can explain it because it’s stupid.
Regarding Pip's memory, didn't Mae wipe its memory in a previous episode? The one where Basil tries to kick her.
Did no one else think the guy on the space phone with Venestra sounded like Palpatine? I know the time isn’t right, but the voice is so similar.
Bazel had no allegiance to Sol. He didn't like that Sol turned off his transponder and was running to Brendok. He could sense that Sol had kind of lost it.
Bud probably just wanna go home
He could sense? So he’s a Jedi too now?
@BizznessBox guess you can't read people
I really hope they cancel this show. The story is written so badly, it hurts. It's literally telling me everything I knew about Jedi and Sith, is wrong. These are not Jedi. The Jedi's are basically the Sith and then they want to introduce Yoda, who could sense things "galaxies" away.... The show had potential with Darth Teeth, it's just the story has way too many things going on when it's really so SIMPLE to make a Star Wars story. I literally bleed Star Wars and this show needs to be rewritten or come out with another show. I wish Disney would hire me because they would be successful beyond imagination. I feel bad but at this point Star Wars is dead.
There's no knot to untie about Qimir and Osha. Osha is Qimir's apprentice. Plagious being on screen doesn't mean he's Qimir's master and it doesn't mean he has been on the Island the entire time. Those are two conclusions that you jumped to based off of one short reveal. Wandavision and Mafisto comes to mind.
I knew it. Darth Teeth was a powerful apprentice like Maul I don’t understand lying about everything and blaming Sol for it all. Because it causes the Senate to confirm its distrust of the Jedi opening things up for Palpatine a century later I was ok with most of the show. But this show was a waste of time now that it is complete. I think it's weird how Osha killed Sol because he killed her mother (and Sol didn't explain how it was an accident) but she joins the guy who killed a whole bunch of Jedi that she knew and liked some episodes ago. Sol killed one person on accident years ago but Osha chooses the killer she feared two days ago???
As soon as I saw Plagueis in this video, I blurted out "fuck off, show" If The Acolyte doesn't get a second season they could do a spin-off and/or pick up the story where the finale left off in another show as they did with Ahsoka, Mandalorian & Boba Fett. It would allow the story to continue without all the uproar over another Acolyte season. There's too much potential now that Plagueis is in live-action to just shelve everything. A Palpatine series could pick up where Acolyte left off. I don’t think you are correct that Plagueis is the master. I think the only reason they tossed him in there was to make it seem like he got the idea for creating life from the force by being in the background witnessing the events of the twins being created, etc. At this point in the timeline, Plague is very young. Although they could be changing that too I suppose just like they changed a ton of other canon things in this show just to try to make it make sense. It looks like they use the Yoda puppet from Empire Strikes Back…. so this is how Disney spent 180mil Why couldn’t both twins be apprentices if they are the same person? Darth Sidious was well aware of Ventress being Dooku's "assassin" and approved of her being used as a tool in their wider plot against the Jedi. It's only when Sidious suspected Dooku was training her not only to be an assassin but his Sith apprentice did Sidious ordered Dooku to kill her to prove his loyalty. That Basile (tracker) sabotage didn’t make any sense. Is the Senator played by Harewood really a villain? Maybe he just wants to put checks on the Jedi Order so that the order doesn't become something dark. I never expected the Martian Manhunter from Supergirl would have a cameo. That's a big surprise
This is some JJ Abrams mystery box type of shit going on in this episode Just wanted to say it was nice to hear you were also upset/distraught with how it ended. I sat as the credits rolled, dumbfounded, turned to my girlfriend, and said, “At least the lightsaber fights were awesome…” because geez… now I’m not really sure what I spent the last 8 weeks watching lol this production team has no right to introduce Darth Pelagius
We've opened the Darth Plagueis box and it can't be closed - I think the best-case scenario is his story plays out but with a totally new show and showrunner to attempt to right the ship. Base it on the book. I don't think Mother Aniseya tried to create two children, I think she tried to create a child but the Force created the twins.
The stupidest scene of this episode was beneath Sol's feet but he couldn't sense her, even, though he sensed her from miles away literally minutes ago. Now playing Sydney Sweeney to Join the MCU?! Kevin Feige Reportedly Wants NEW Spider-Man Romance in Spiderman 4 WDW Pro Now playing Post-Covid Comic-Con Spectacular - Marvel Studios SDCC 2022 Blind Wave Just wanted to say it was nice to hear you were also upset/distraught with how it ended. I sat as the credits rolled, dumbfounded, turned to my girlfriend, and said, “At least the lightsaber fights were awesome…” Because geez… now I’m not really sure what I spent the last 8 weeks watching lol Surprised that no one mentions it as a possible projection of Plagueis you mentioned it yourself. Witnessing him Infodumping offscreen what happened and noticing that Sol became increasingly unhinged. As a civilian, he has no allegiance to Sol or even the Jedi, but he does what he considers right at the moment. Like not letting a deranged Jedi shoot down someone in hopes of stopping them - in the middle of a planetary ring. If you think a bit about Plaguis in the show it kinda makes sense, he has had Mae close for a while when she was trained, and now he has Osha, he might be studying them to figure out how to manipulate the force to create Anakin. The voice on the secret phone call sounded like Ian McDiarmid's The Colt McCoy Story Underdog Originals 47K views 4 days ago New You can tell they put the scene of the plague last minute. The "dark" special effects and the quickness of it prove that Can someone explain how Osha managed to bleed a Kyber Crystal red after 20 seconds of being evil, but Anakin went full Hellspawn in ROTS and he stayed blue? Seems hugely inconsistent. The spilled must be because the vergence in the force was so strong the mother had to split them in two...but hopefully, we still have season 2 of Palaptine: have you ever heard of the tragedy of the Acolyte show?... I think not it’s not something the Jedi would recommend you about Osha is Mace Windu's mother. Star Wars Acolyte Episode 2 FULL Breakdown, WTF Ending Explained, and Easter Eggs Emergency Awesome at 10 am to bothering you on the chat I am sorry someone is upset was little kid was crying in Young Jedi Adventures in order 88 episodes part 1 is over lyrics in the music in part 2 is outlaws.
Episodes 5 through 8 is what saved the show for me. Almost stopped watching at episode 4, but the end of episode 4 lead me to keep watching.
I knew it. Darth teeth was a powerful apprentice like maul
What the show says “Force vergent”
What I hear “Force Virgins”
It’s actually Vergence, which actually sound more like it lol
I think one thing that was kinda overlooked in this room based off the story told to us is the special connection between Osha and Mei. It was kind of assumed that maybe their mother gave them a “nursery rhyme” as a special motto or sentiment for the two to recite to each to keep their bond between each other strong. But in this finale towards the end of the episode when Mei and Osha were hugging and Osha starting saying the song the two have sang to each other other throughout the season (even while apart), it was hinted that no one ever taught that song to either of them. They just know it. I think that is foreshadowing to the force speaking directly to them for whatever force and power that was used to create them. Or maybe that chant was spoken in the process of making then when the ‘one’ child was still just one. I dont know where the plot will go from there with that but it was interesting to me.
I will 100% support this show if season 2 introduces Palpatine and he slaughters Osha, Qimir, and Mae. Palpatine saves the canon. After seeing Plagueis, I’m upset the show isn’t focused on him or an origin for Palpatine.
I was ok with most of the show. But this show was a waste of time now that it is complete.
Yet watching it wasn’t a requirement for a test!! You weren’t quizzed!! Your watching won’t be graded!! Super 🤡 energy 😂
You make total sense
Charlie, I was so disappointed by the finale and the series as a whole. Fan service by adding Plagueis and Yoda in the finale could not save what was a dumpster fire of a show.
I wish they could have moved the plot a lot faster, like this episode should have been ep 4/5
The fighting was near perfect for Star Wars and the lore was very on point even bringing stuff from legends, like that metal that’s block out sabers ,showing us a bleeding crystal, showing plagus and yoda, .. the skill of a true master and sith apprentice, and multiple Jedi dying on screen .. showing how plagus came up with the idea to create the chosen one.. the show was good‼️🤦♂️
Thumbs down to you bro this series was so good
@@GerrianLebron the only thing that was good were fight scenes.
"Mystery" which lasted whole 2 episodes, fuckton of plotholes and just things that don't make sense.
Like Aniseya trying some dark side mumbojambo next to a jedi.
Mae starting a fire just because?
Whole coven of witches dying bc they mind controlled a wookie?
@@Snazz42069 there has to be someone that likes 💩 I’ll give you that
There needs to be a season 2 to explain Vernestra and Quimirs past, and also his relation to darth plagueis. It feels like the enemies to lovers thing was just added in during the final stages of the writing, to add some juice and make a Star Wars product that would suit the times (enemies to lovers has been a huge trope in the book industry for a while now) and I guess they just needed to lay down the foundations of Oshas story first before going more in depth about her further down the line when she inevitably becomes super powerful. This first season was definitely messy but there’s some good potential for further story development that would be a lot more exciting to see if more seasons are funded.
I feel like a story in the old republic would’ve been way better than this. You could actually focus on the Sith and not worry too much about the lore since there were so many sith at the time.i love the old republic I would hate to see Disney fumble it
Palpatine might kill both Osha and Qimir and become the apprentice.
Palpatine isn't even born yet for almost a 100 years. So how he going kill them when they be dead by then? Lmao
@@teovu5557 technically it would be closer to 40 or 50 more years because palps is already middle aged by time of the phantom menace
I also had this same idea but it would have to happen several decades later from the show. I feel that either Qimir and or Osha will already be dead by the time Plagueius discovers Sheev Palpatine on Naboo
Also, regardless of what he did, Sol deserved WAY better for a send-off. That was probably the most frustrating part for me because I grew to like his character so much in such a short time. I knew he might not make it, but come on… not even an honorable way or anything :\
right he was my fave character and actor on the show he was so cool
Y do girls look and flirt with other men in their heads even when married? Also,why does their vag smell bad?🤢
Sol’s character was insufferable and so obnoxious
@@andreidarie4076 His odd addiction to Osha made no sense like the whole show
Episode 7 kinda reveals that the information Sol operated on was out of context and unfounded - although his heart was in the right place and his righteousness was used to justify his actions, he ultimately made the wrong choice out of fear and prejudice.
They all should’ve listened to Indara
I read somewhere sometime ago (probably in a galaxy far away), that the Sith masters always start with two apprentices and then they must fight to the death and the master picks the winner. This means Qymir can't be Plagueis's apprentice without first finding someone to second him. Thus Qymir search for Osha/Mae. He needs an apprentice - to kill later, so he can be the chosen one!!!
I kinda got some crimson dawn vibes from David Harewood’s character from his Center pendant. Or maybe a precursor to crimson dawn.
As soon as I saw Plagueis in this video, I blurted out "fuck off, show"
You sound intelligent
Thanks Charlie.
No problem!
I think it's weird how Osha killed Sol because he killed her mother (and Sol didn't explain how it was an accident) but she joins the guy that killed a whole bunch of Jedi that she knew and liked some episodes ago. Sol killed one person on accident years ago but Osha chooses the killer she feared two days ago???
I don’t understand lying about everything and blaming sol for it all. Because it causes the senate to confirm its distrust of the Jedi opening things up for palpatine a century later
Disney, forever changing lore with trash stories
My theory : Once Plagueis will consider that they learned all they needed from Osha to manipulate midiclorian, he will ask Quimir to get rid of her. Like Palpatine asked Doku to get rid of Asaj. But Quimir will refuse (possibly because of romance or because she saves him from Vernestra), so Plagueis will proceed to kill both. Then he moves on to recruit Shiv Palpatine
I'd bet Disney could crowdfund $180 mil to NOT make a season 2.
Maybe they split them because as one they would be too powerful, like Anakin
We will never know 😂
😂😂😂 maybe
The ending was off but you can't deny some parts of this series was actually good especially the fight scenes. I hope they make a season 2 which focuses on Qimir and Plagueis and get good writers who actually knows what they are doing
😂 🤦♂️
Some of the fights were good. The OSHA and MAE fights were bad.
No the fights scenes were not good. Compared to previous star wars projects this was terrible.
Lightsaber fight scenes were pretty good but I agree they don’t make up for the incoherent writing.
@@superfluffy7171 The fights were good compared to the sequels and recent shows