This is proof that she would do amazing spearheading a talk show. I really enjoyed the flow and her direction. Expert level. She facilitated while participating which is not easy.
We’d love it if the folks who DO have kids at any age, would NOT assume something is off with folks who decide or cannot or are just not pressed about having children. Children are not an end all identifier of completeness or solidity of life. Sometimes it just comes off as if folks who do have kids see no purpose in themselves outside of being a parent so the push the narrative onto others..
Issa has stated in an interview that she intentionally wants to end the season like a real life situation. In REAL LIFE not everything is loose end tying or always has a resolution in the time we'd like. Although it is a fictional show, what we have always loved is how REALISTIC it is. So ending the show in a way that you could always pick back up later is the goal. I was skeptical in the beginning of the season but I actually appreciate where it's headed.
I do too. British shows door the same thing. Life isn't neat and tidy and always ending up with a fat bank account and the right person. She's showing life in the process. I like the show like this. Its relatable.
Yes!! Exactly this. I’m enjoying this season because it mimics real life in my opinion. Real life is messy and closure isn’t always an option. Real life is something mad ugly and everyone around you disagrees with your decisions but … that’s the difference between tv and life.
I'm the caregiver for my 80 year old mother. My Dad passed May 2020 ( not from COVID). It's more than a notion. Being single, I moved back to the house I was raised in & my Dad was Mr. Fix it. I'm fruatrated and have a older sibling that has just checked out. Y'all send up some prayers for my sanity.
Honey just change the age to 76 and we are going through the exact same thing. We should create a support group. This is not for the weak and people don't understand exactly what goes into it. Prayers, peace and continued strength to you dear.
Please reach out to your local agency on aging for resources to help with the house & respite care as well. Also if your dad was a veteran reach out to veteran services because your mom would be eligible for resources through them as well. God bless you.
I feel your pain. My mom and dad have been divorced for years. My mom (only 67) was diagnosed with dementia last year and although she has 3 living daughters (1 deceased) I am solely responsible for her care. Mind you my sisters kids are grown and I have a 12 year old with Down syndrome and 7 year old twins. I moved my mom in with us October 2020 and this disease is just cruel. It's like having a 4th child. Meanwhile these sisters of mine are living their best lives. I will keep you in my prayers because I truly understand caregiver fatigue. I pray you are blessed for your love and sacrifice.
Angel is such a great moderator!!! The way the convo flows between the two couples is always dope. Also, I'm in my 40s with no kids and it's on purpose. Can people stop casting a dark shadow over people that don't have kids, a lot of ppl try to make it a joke but if you hear it enough it can seem like people are judging you.
I totally agree with you guys opening statement that this season has not given you what you wanted. I feel the same way... not that they haven't been good episodes but for this to be the last season something is missing.
@47:00 ….I really have so much respect for Kev and Liss. It’s cute to say you don’t care and all that but they have more to lose. Kev is not just an employee at Kevonstage Studios…he IS Kevonstage Studios so he has to move a little different the others. I couldn’t imagine how hard that must be to hold back on things that you really want to say and do…or not care….but I frickin respect it….I’m soooo enjoying the app by the way. Love On Stage has me hooked!!!!🥰🥰🥰
I'm hearing a lot of reviewers say the same thing about season 5 of insecure, that it's boring and not really all that exciting but what I am guessing is that this season was not meant to be a high excitement, twists and turns, cliffhanger season. it seems to me as if Issa wanted to bring the story to a good close, wrap up loose ends and give us a few conversation pieces which is understandable seeing that this is the end of the series. I guess I just wasn't expecting a lot of jaw-dropping moments this time around.
I’m with you all. How can this be the last season when everything is happening so slowwwwwly‼️With only a few episodes left I don’t see how we will get any type of closer. I feel like they should’ve been closing doors throughout these last episodes but everything still feels open 🤷🏽♀️
Honestly, I am always surprised to hear folks say they don't like this season. In my opinion, this is the BEST season of Insecure yet! It's so realistic and very 30's. As someone in my thirties, the topics that are discussed are so relatable. From Molly's growth, to Issa's entrepreneurial journey, to Lawrence realizing he was chasing entrepreneurship but realized he actually likes working in a team, to Tiffany moving away and starting anew, to Kelly's growth, to Lawrenve and Condolences working through co-parenting and adulting themselves. To Molly realizing her parents are aging and that's a point we all get to in our thirties. And then Issa and Lawrence's MATURE conversation post break-up! Pfewww💛💛
Issa has got closure with Lawrence 2 times already... It's been time to move on. I'm upset that he's still in the picture like he's not even with Issa anymore.
So this conversation reminded me how much Issa and Lawrence are intuned and in sync with each other. Remember when Lawrence was going out/dating Condola, and the few times that the bumped into Issa how Lawrence and Issa had their own language (and world) and how Condola would just be looking like OK, what are yall talking about. Kevin said it right, that Nathan is just a place holder because as soon as Lawrence and Issa navigate and work out the awkward and uncomfortable things inorder to be together, it's gone be NATHAN WHO!!
There is NOTHING WRONG if you are in your 30s without children!!!! I really wish ppl would stop pushing this narrative. Some people want and can’t. Some people don’t want so they don’t. Some people had and loss. Either way this is one of the most ignorant statements I consistently heard from adults. Do better, please, because I guarantee someone you know is struggling with this narrative right now. And your comment just stung them a little more.
That's not what they said. They said the older you get, the more likely people are to have kids, therefore if you are dating your age, the pool of people that don't have kids is smaller. That is simply the truth. I didn't get them saying something was wrong if you were in your 30s without children. That being said, our society does put pressure on people to have kids and assume something's wrong if you don't. I do feel like people should just stop commenting on people's choices, period. Like you said, you never know what someone is going through.
Agreed with both perspectives got to stop making generalizations about people rationale as to why they chose or not chose to have children or even their life decisions. At the end of the day, I aspire to live a quiet life and mind my business. Now if you ask my opinion, then I will give it. 😘
Tank implied it's bizarre to be in your 30s and not have a child by single parenthood, divorce or widowed but there's more Issa's after 30 in the black diaspora than single men without childre. It's not about being mature it's about being willing to embrace a fundamental shift in the context of being in a relationship that you hope will lead to marriage. I'm at 40, would still like to have my own child as long as I'm still bleeding but don't plan to invest in ivf's or egg freezing so when it's gone it's gone. But I'm definitely not enthused about forming a relationship with someone who has children at all. I've got my celebrity crushes, but I can't think of anyone I know or seen, friends of friends and cousins that's divorced/has a baby mama and fine or interesting enough for me to want to take the opportunity to know better. At 40 you can find someone who maybe got caught really young so their kids are grown, but if they never married some of them got issues too about the last 18 years of paying out to the state to support a household they were not the head of. But Ex-Wives and baby mamas are not something I'm going to deal with, especially if she feels her life is miserable because of their mutual decisions or the poor choices made after their relationship. I'm not babysitting - you can't pull up on me three to four months and dating talking about can you watch little Ray Ray who got expelled - where would you take him or what days would you have to take off work if we weren't dating? No I can't swing by and pick them up from anywhere, and you got one time to cancel our date because they are in crisis if we're in the early stages. So yeah, I just haven't evolved to where I will accommodate the challenges that come from dating someone responsible for a whole other life than their own.
@@Lapreghiera and there is nothing wrong with knowing exactly what you want and following through with it. Stay hopeful, there is a person out there saying the same thing as you ❤️.
The more ya’ll talk about the back hand of being famous, the more I want to stay regular. The expectation of others, the pressure of people, the financial consequences of being human and making mistakes... WHEW!! I feel for y’all for real! People easily forget you are real people, not constant performers. Love ya’ll! And enjoy your upcoming vacation and any all breaks you want to have!
It’s not that Nathan is inconsistent, he’s just not intentional. He’s going too much with the flow and avoiding ALL of the difficult conversations. He’s not operating as if he knows what he wants out of the relationship and just being firm. I think the main reason we don’t like Nathan for Issa is because he’s not giving main character energy that matches our leading lady. I’m not sure if that’s intentional so we feel this way about him or if he’s just a character that’s supposed to be more normal… like he’s kind of an average dude and we want to see someone matching Issa’s current ambitions and focus… not old Lawrence.
Issa deserves better than being a stepmom. I was really looking forward to an amazing transition, but it's been 'Insecure: 5 Years a Struggle'. The lack of character development is killing me.
Yes but a good bit of the time that's how life going to be though, we make small changes and hope things work out because not all of us like the big grandiose change, that's scary to most. I wanted to get a better job but I had a child, ageing parents and minimal education for my ambitions so it had to be school, the hard slog of 5 years then 2 more years before I got the new job and the bigger bucks while I was doing that other friends were way up the food chain till we don't hang anymore. It is what it is for some of us we are late bloomers with slow moving rise praying not to fall and sink. The struggle is real.
Angel asked them about dating someone with children and I think that this situation is different that just dating someone that has a child and being that child's bonus mom. There are so many other circumstances that play into this situation. Issa and Lawrence were together for years, planning to be together forever at one point. They broke up, attempted to rekindle their relationship and BOOM - Condola is pregnant. And Issa knows and has worked with Condola, gave Condola the "red light" to date Lawrence and was back with Lawrence within weeks (if that) of Condola and Lawrence breaking up. That's much different than meeting and dating someone that is a parent at 30. Dating someone with children can definitely be difficult and adds a layer of frustration, but this situation is A LOT.
As someone who has struggled with mental illness for most of her life, the idea of running away/retreat is ALWAYS on the forefront of my mind. Granted mental illness isn’t a monolith but whew I felt him SO heavy in there scene. Sometimes I feel like it’s literally just easier to remove myself from the situation than to potentially open myself up to someone violently throwing my illness back in my face. That scene was done SO well imo.
I take care of my parents in the VI all they way from NC. My dad is bed ridden and my mom is getting down too. I learned that my mom did not know a lot! My dad because of his stroke can't communicate well so all the calling around to find out who did what ect was overwhelming. It was also not until my dad fell ill did they both comply with getting their affairs in order after asking they do so for YEARS. Parents be a trip but I love them
Marcus said it’s like a bowel moment, it ain’t good to hold it in. Got that right. Let it out one good time Melissa, you will relieve some stress off your chest.
Great review 4!!!! ❤❤❤❤ And I had 3 step children when I got married at 30 and I was the support person for the kids when they needed me who let the parents Parent them, PERIOD.
I think I wanted to see more of Kelli this season. I wonder if Natasha didn’t want to really push a story for herself and that’s why we didn’t see much of an evolution for her this season.
I have been saying this season 2...like ok Season 3 let's see more of Kelli please! As a plus size chick I want that representation to see what's going on with her. We've only been to Kelli's place ONCE (that was the night of the Baby Shower talkin bout the cupcakes)...cuz I'm sure Kelli has stress in her life! We didn't see it tho!
I actually really loved how this season has progressed. Mainly because I can relate to Issa so much. Insecure was the overarching word for the past few seasons of my life. I feel like Issa is really showing how real life is with some of these situations. I know it’s not the bombshells many of us anticipated but it’s been good to me. I feel like Issa is finally started to step into herself and own her own issues.
Angel you have the patience of a million men. I don't know how you can maintain a thought as much as Kevin interrupts you honey. But I guess with 4 kids you're used to it cuz bay-beeeee....I would've been told him to hush! Mercy.
You know what? I don't even have HBO or have watched Insecure since the beginning of season 3, but I just enjoy ya'll so much I just keep watching anyway! 🥰
First of all, "Sex & the City" was a cultural phenomenon! I watched ALL of the seasons of the show and all of the spin-offs! And another spin-off is coming so I'm ready! Samantha ain't there but I'll give my girls some grace, ok. LOL!
IDGAF what age I am, if I don’t want to date someone w/ kids I’m not settling b/c it’s the norm for my age range. Yes, as we grow older the likelihood of being a parent increases. However, I dislike the narrative that one MUST expect a child/children to come along w/ their relationship at 30+.
Don't blame y'all about giving up on reviewing the rest of this season. It's been so blah. Off topic: Angel and/or Marcus ALWAYS bring it with the shoe game! 🔥
Nothing wrong with being over 35 and not having kids tho. Not everyone is cut out or should be a parent. Agree Issa and Nathan are just not a good match. I don't see anyone hoping it works out
first time watching TBTB since I was missing HTT and the discussion was quite enjoyable considering the fact that I don't watch Insecure. The subject about taking care of your parents was quite relatable since I am there now.
It’s been hard to enjoy this season because they left off on such a huge cliffhanger last season and they’ve yet to address. Feels like the writers are toying with our emotions rather than trying to make great episodes.
My prediction for the end is that Issa and Lawrence won't reconnect until Molly's wedding. This will require another time jump, of course. Lawrence will be solid in fatherhood and the messiness of the coparenting with Condolences won't be an issue. I also think it's going to be a conversation where they basically discuss how they are it for each other, and it's going to be left up to viewers to decide whether these characters get back together.
I agree guys, it does not feel like a farewell season… it’s fictional but omgeeee I want Issa and Lawrence to be back together so bad… only 3 episodes left …sigh… I can’t with this Nathan story line …I can’t
I think this season also highlights what its like dating someone who is dealing with mental health issues. Nathan is bipolar and it doesn't seem like he is getting any therapy on how to deal with processing his emotions. Its also highlighting people staying in relationships for the all the wrong reasons. I agree with Kevon on Issae using Nathan as a place holder. She really wants to be with Lawrence but it just seems to messy to navigate. Issae also has realized that Nathan's pattern of behavior is to run or avoid any situation that makes him unconformable. These are patterns we see in our daily lives. I just wish they had more time to bring it full circle. With the amount of episodes left in the season I dont see how they can do that. Its not the type of season I would have hoped for from Insecure but I think they are touching on some areas in life that we can relate to. Still not a good season closer tho!
I’m Melissa I need to sit in the sadness for a little bit but then I don’t allow others to sit in the sadness because I want them to be okay! I guess I gotta work on that. I don’t feel the pressure of saying “I love you” if I don’t feel it or it doesn’t come to my lips naturally, I don’t say it.
Before Issa tossed that baby...I literally thought, it would be funny if she tossed that baby (but that is the Dark Humor in me)😲😲😲 SHE SHOT THAT BABY LIKE A BASKETBALL🤣🤣🤣. I FELT SEEN! That was Natasha Rothwell's idea and I love her for that! I'm glad she directed that episode! I wanted more insight on Kelli's life, they haven't given enough on her but we know enough about Tiffany. Also, these are NOT 30 min episodes like we were promised...I feel played, there could have been 6 Seasons then let me go ya know?
This season is disappointing to me. Molly makes the same face for every emotion, the pace is irritating and I don't like Issa and Nathan. I even hate seeing Lawrence and Condola interacting. Idk. Am I PMS'n? Maybe.
Even though I've never watched one episode of the show "Insecure" and still have no desire to see it, I LOVE watching them review the final season. It's more entertaining to me.
- Honest you guys should continue doing the reviews. That's disappointed if you just stop on episode 7 and don't even do a review of the series finale. - This season has been meh but episode 7 was great.
Why do yall hate Nathan and Issa!? I hate Lawrence 😒. I want Issa and Nathan to make it but as long as she doesn't get back with Lawrence I don't really care.
All y’all heathens trying to encourage Liss to cuss should be ashamed of yourselves! 😂🤣 Isaiah got convicted of his unclean lips. It’s a bad habit Liss, stay strong, don’t do it! One less thing you don’t have to repent.😂
As a trained actor...there was NO concern about looking for Flavor Flav and I was PISSED with it! Like, sis...your BFF's mom is in the hospital, may not wake up...and u loose the dog that she actually loves? You LYING and TRASH for not being concerned! That could have been an actors choice to show how wrapped up Issa is in her own love life right now OR a directors choice to lengthen the scene. Newsflash, we didn't need that! I do NOT like Issa and Nathan. I wanted her to be alone or just with someone else. Like You and Lawrence broke up like a year ago (again) let it gooooo!!!!
I would love for Issa and Lawrence to finally get together for good; however, I feel like Issa and CrenShawn will end up together. That relationship would be symbolic of Issa Rae's love for L.A. (Crenshaw). The show is as much about Issa Rae's love for L.A. as Issa Dee's love for Lawrence. I hope I'm wrong.
Wow… so y’all really rooting for Issa and Lawrence to get back together? So we just gonna forget how this man got a whole STD, went to church once pretending to repent then got right back in the saddle smashing anything that moved, met Condola, had sex with her UNPROTECTED like he wasn’t just burning, got her pregnant, then told the girl she messed up his life once him and Issa finally had a heart to heart… 🤔🤔 Issa needs to move on and start fresh. I don’t completely like Nathan for her, but I won’t knock it for now. I get her and Lawrence have history but nah man.
Hold on! Lawrence isn't perfect but he was single and he did call the women who he had sex with after he found out he had a std...him and condesa did use protection but she still got pregnant. He wasn't with Issa. Also if Issa had cheated they would still be together.
I think having a different director every episode threw the flow of the season off. It’s almost like Issa is Schizophrenic 😅 and has a different personality every episode lol. Ion like it.
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The way Angel hosted and guided the conversation was amazing!
Really well done. Their personal stories are more impactful to me than the show.
This is proof that she would do amazing spearheading a talk show. I really enjoyed the flow and her direction. Expert level. She facilitated while participating which is not easy.
@@ingyness7517 agreed!
We’d love it if the folks who DO have kids at any age, would NOT assume something is off with folks who decide or cannot or are just not pressed about having children. Children are not an end all identifier of completeness or solidity of life. Sometimes it just comes off as if folks who do have kids see no purpose in themselves outside of being a parent so the push the narrative onto others..
Right...👏🏽
Issa has stated in an interview that she intentionally wants to end the season like a real life situation. In REAL LIFE not everything is loose end tying or always has a resolution in the time we'd like. Although it is a fictional show, what we have always loved is how REALISTIC it is. So ending the show in a way that you could always pick back up later is the goal. I was skeptical in the beginning of the season but I actually appreciate where it's headed.
Yeah I'm enjoying it thus far.
I do too. British shows door the same thing. Life isn't neat and tidy and always ending up with a fat bank account and the right person. She's showing life in the process. I like the show like this. Its relatable.
Yes!! Exactly this. I’m enjoying this season because it mimics real life in my opinion. Real life is messy and closure isn’t always an option. Real life is something mad ugly and everyone around you disagrees with your decisions but … that’s the difference between tv and life.
I'm the caregiver for my 80 year old mother. My Dad passed May 2020 ( not from COVID). It's more than a notion. Being single, I moved back to the house I was raised in & my Dad was Mr. Fix it. I'm fruatrated and have a older sibling that has just checked out. Y'all send up some prayers for my sanity.
Care giver fatigue is a real thing ♥️ take care of yourself!
Honey just change the age to 76 and we are going through the exact same thing. We should create a support group. This is not for the weak and people don't understand exactly what goes into it. Prayers, peace and continued strength to you dear.
Please reach out to your local agency on aging for resources to help with the house & respite care as well. Also if your dad was a veteran reach out to veteran services because your mom would be eligible for resources through them as well. God bless you.
I feel your pain. My mom and dad have been divorced for years. My mom (only 67) was diagnosed with dementia last year and although she has 3 living daughters (1 deceased) I am solely responsible for her care. Mind you my sisters kids are grown and I have a 12 year old with Down syndrome and 7 year old twins.
I moved my mom in with us October 2020 and this disease is just cruel. It's like having a 4th child. Meanwhile these sisters of mine are living their best lives.
I will keep you in my prayers because I truly understand caregiver fatigue. I pray you are blessed for your love and sacrifice.
🙏🏽 Hang in there. I pray you have a good friend support system (to listen at least).
I just saw Angel "That Chick" on the t.j.max/Marshall's commercial 👏👏👏💖🎉🎉🎉
Sometimes people just don't want kids. It doesn't necessarily mean something is wrong with a person.
Amen me I don’t want them ain’t got them
I have to mention again how good Angel is at prompting and guiding conversation!
Angel is a real host right?!?! Love it
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Angel: I'm not trying to make it seem like my friends' lives are disheveled.
Marcus: That's how I make them feel tho.
Angel is such a great moderator!!! The way the convo flows between the two couples is always dope.
Also, I'm in my 40s with no kids and it's on purpose. Can people stop casting a dark shadow over people that don't have kids, a lot of ppl try to make it a joke but if you hear it enough it can seem like people are judging you.
I totally agree with you guys opening statement that this season has not given you what you wanted. I feel the same way... not that they haven't been good episodes but for this to be the last season something is missing.
@47:00 ….I really have so much respect for Kev and Liss. It’s cute to say you don’t care and all that but they have more to lose. Kev is not just an employee at Kevonstage Studios…he IS Kevonstage Studios so he has to move a little different the others. I couldn’t imagine how hard that must be to hold back on things that you really want to say and do…or not care….but I frickin respect it….I’m soooo enjoying the app by the way. Love On Stage has me hooked!!!!🥰🥰🥰
You guys should review Harlem!!! It’s on Amazon prime about four black best friends going through love, work, etc. in nyc!! It’s stars meghan good!!!
I'm hearing a lot of reviewers say the same thing about season 5 of insecure, that it's boring and not really all that exciting but what I am guessing is that this season was not meant to be a high excitement, twists and turns, cliffhanger season. it seems to me as if Issa wanted to bring the story to a good close, wrap up loose ends and give us a few conversation pieces which is understandable seeing that this is the end of the series. I guess I just wasn't expecting a lot of jaw-dropping moments this time around.
This season is definitely giving "fulfilling contractual obligations" vibes.
Bingo…very much so!
I’m with you all. How can this be the last season when everything is happening so slowwwwwly‼️With only a few episodes left I don’t see how we will get any type of closer. I feel like they should’ve been closing doors throughout these last episodes but everything still feels open 🤷🏽♀️
Honestly, I am always surprised to hear folks say they don't like this season. In my opinion, this is the BEST season of Insecure yet! It's so realistic and very 30's. As someone in my thirties, the topics that are discussed are so relatable. From Molly's growth, to Issa's entrepreneurial journey, to Lawrence realizing he was chasing entrepreneurship but realized he actually likes working in a team, to Tiffany moving away and starting anew, to Kelly's growth, to Lawrenve and Condolences working through co-parenting and adulting themselves. To Molly realizing her parents are aging and that's a point we all get to in our thirties. And then Issa and Lawrence's MATURE conversation post break-up! Pfewww💛💛
I’m confused as to why they’re going more into Nathan’s life like we have more seasons, who cares!! Let’s get some closure with Lawrence
Right!! I'm trying to get through it, because, it's Insecure... But I'm like, blah
@@reanastallworth948 exactly, I forgot all about it Sunday so I watched it today. That’s how unenthused I am lol
Issa has got closure with Lawrence 2 times already... It's been time to move on. I'm upset that he's still in the picture like he's not even with Issa anymore.
@@Nyjaburkett thx u!! Lawrence can go on n be with Condolence lol
@@Nyjaburkett ok you’re right, I just want to see them together. I don’t like Nathan AT ALL ! 😆
I’m 19 mins into the episode and I’m so emotional 😭. Thanks for sharing and being so vulnerable.
So this conversation reminded me how much Issa and Lawrence are intuned and in sync with each other. Remember when Lawrence was going out/dating Condola, and the few times that the bumped into Issa how Lawrence and Issa had their own language (and world) and how Condola would just be looking like OK, what are yall talking about. Kevin said it right, that Nathan is just a place holder because as soon as Lawrence and Issa navigate and work out the awkward and uncomfortable things inorder to be together, it's gone be NATHAN WHO!!
There is NOTHING WRONG if you are in your 30s without children!!!! I really wish ppl would stop pushing this narrative. Some people want and can’t. Some people don’t want so they don’t. Some people had and loss. Either way this is one of the most ignorant statements I consistently heard from adults. Do better, please, because I guarantee someone you know is struggling with this narrative right now. And your comment just stung them a little more.
That's not what they said. They said the older you get, the more likely people are to have kids, therefore if you are dating your age, the pool of people that don't have kids is smaller. That is simply the truth. I didn't get them saying something was wrong if you were in your 30s without children. That being said, our society does put pressure on people to have kids and assume something's wrong if you don't. I do feel like people should just stop commenting on people's choices, period. Like you said, you never know what someone is going through.
Agreed with both perspectives got to stop making generalizations about people rationale as to why they chose or not chose to have children or even their life decisions. At the end of the day, I aspire to live a quiet life and mind my business. Now if you ask my opinion, then I will give it. 😘
Tank implied it's bizarre to be in your 30s and not have a child by single parenthood, divorce or widowed but there's more Issa's after 30 in the black diaspora than single men without childre.
It's not about being mature it's about being willing to embrace a fundamental shift in the context of being in a relationship that you hope will lead to marriage.
I'm at 40, would still like to have my own child as long as I'm still bleeding but don't plan to invest in ivf's or egg freezing so when it's gone it's gone. But I'm definitely not enthused about forming a relationship with someone who has children at all. I've got my celebrity crushes, but I can't think of anyone I know or seen, friends of friends and cousins that's divorced/has a baby mama and fine or interesting enough for me to want to take the opportunity to know better. At 40 you can find someone who maybe got caught really young so their kids are grown, but if they never married some of them got issues too about the last 18 years of paying out to the state to support a household they were not the head of. But Ex-Wives and baby mamas are not something I'm going to deal with, especially if she feels her life is miserable because of their mutual decisions or the poor choices made after their relationship. I'm not babysitting - you can't pull up on me three to four months and dating talking about can you watch little Ray Ray who got expelled - where would you take him or what days would you have to take off work if we weren't dating? No I can't swing by and pick them up from anywhere, and you got one time to cancel our date because they are in crisis if we're in the early stages.
So yeah, I just haven't evolved to where I will accommodate the challenges that come from dating someone responsible for a whole other life than their own.
@@Lapreghiera and there is nothing wrong with knowing exactly what you want and following through with it. Stay hopeful, there is a person out there saying the same thing as you ❤️.
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🤣🤣🤣that table said YOU got fired, not me! #BeHumble
The more ya’ll talk about the back hand of being famous, the more I want to stay regular. The expectation of others, the pressure of people, the financial consequences of being human and making mistakes... WHEW!! I feel for y’all for real! People easily forget you are real people, not constant performers. Love ya’ll! And enjoy your upcoming vacation and any all breaks you want to have!
I enjoyed the question and responses. Pray you all have a healthy, joyous and blessed holiday season.
It’s not that Nathan is inconsistent, he’s just not intentional. He’s going too much with the flow and avoiding ALL of the difficult conversations. He’s not operating as if he knows what he wants out of the relationship and just being firm.
I think the main reason we don’t like Nathan for Issa is because he’s not giving main character energy that matches our leading lady.
I’m not sure if that’s intentional so we feel this way about him or if he’s just a character that’s supposed to be more normal… like he’s kind of an average dude and we want to see someone matching Issa’s current ambitions and focus… not old Lawrence.
VERY WELL SAID!!!!!
ALL of this. yes
Issa deserves better than being a stepmom. I was really looking forward to an amazing transition, but it's been 'Insecure: 5 Years a Struggle'. The lack of character development is killing me.
Yes but a good bit of the time that's how life going to be though, we make small changes and hope things work out because not all of us like the big grandiose change, that's scary to most. I wanted to get a better job but I had a child, ageing parents and minimal education for my ambitions so it had to be school, the hard slog of 5 years then 2 more years before I got the new job and the bigger bucks while I was doing that other friends were way up the food chain till we don't hang anymore. It is what it is for some of us we are late bloomers with slow moving rise praying not to fall and sink. The struggle is real.
@@christineseyes261 very valid points. And the story itself takes place in 2 yrs, not 5. It's called insecure for a reason.
5 years a struggle is HILARIOUS
Angel asked them about dating someone with children and I think that this situation is different that just dating someone that has a child and being that child's bonus mom. There are so many other circumstances that play into this situation. Issa and Lawrence were together for years, planning to be together forever at one point. They broke up, attempted to rekindle their relationship and BOOM - Condola is pregnant. And Issa knows and has worked with Condola, gave Condola the "red light" to date Lawrence and was back with Lawrence within weeks (if that) of Condola and Lawrence breaking up. That's much different than meeting and dating someone that is a parent at 30. Dating someone with children can definitely be difficult and adds a layer of frustration, but this situation is A LOT.
As someone who has struggled with mental illness for most of her life, the idea of running away/retreat is ALWAYS on the forefront of my mind. Granted mental illness isn’t a monolith but whew I felt him SO heavy in there scene.
Sometimes I feel like it’s literally just easier to remove myself from the situation than to potentially open myself up to someone violently throwing my illness back in my face. That scene was done SO well imo.
Angel is an excellent facilitator / interviewer. would love to have these types of questions with my friends
"I hate the relationship. It shouldn't be happening." 😂⚰
I take care of my parents in the VI all they way from NC. My dad is bed ridden and my mom is getting down too. I learned that my mom did not know a lot! My dad because of his stroke can't communicate well so all the calling around to find out who did what ect was overwhelming. It was also not until my dad fell ill did they both comply with getting their affairs in order after asking they do so for YEARS. Parents be a trip but I love them
Well after break can y'all just combine 8,9 and 10 close it out then?
Marcus said it’s like a bowel moment, it ain’t good to hold it in. Got that right. Let it out one good time Melissa, you will relieve some stress off your chest.
That pause Angel did to hear Josh had me thinking my video froze. 🤣🤣 I was concerned about this office WiFi connection!
Great review 4!!!! ❤❤❤❤ And I had 3 step children when I got married at 30 and I was the support person for the kids when they needed me who let the parents Parent them, PERIOD.
I think I wanted to see more of Kelli this season. I wonder if Natasha didn’t want to really push a story for herself and that’s why we didn’t see much of an evolution for her this season.
Me too
We are def getting alot of Kelli and more story for her. I like it
I have been saying this season 2...like ok Season 3 let's see more of Kelli please! As a plus size chick I want that representation to see what's going on with her. We've only been to Kelli's place ONCE (that was the night of the Baby Shower talkin bout the cupcakes)...cuz I'm sure Kelli has stress in her life! We didn't see it tho!
I actually really loved how this season has progressed. Mainly because I can relate to Issa so much. Insecure was the overarching word for the past few seasons of my life. I feel like Issa is really showing how real life is with some of these situations. I know it’s not the bombshells many of us anticipated but it’s been good to me. I feel like Issa is finally started to step into herself and own her own issues.
Angel you have the patience of a million men. I don't know how you can maintain a thought as much as Kevin interrupts you honey. But I guess with 4 kids you're used to it cuz bay-beeeee....I would've been told him to hush! Mercy.
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Y’all need to review this season of LOVE LIFE on HBO. I’d love to see that conversation.
I was just looking for these
You know what? I don't even have HBO or have watched Insecure since the beginning of season 3, but I just enjoy ya'll so much I just keep watching anyway! 🥰
I love Melissa's sweat suit. Where can I buy one?
Angel's recaps are everything! I don't even remember half of what she says til she recalls it😂
First of all, "Sex & the City" was a cultural phenomenon! I watched ALL of the seasons of the show and all of the spin-offs! And another spin-off is coming so I'm ready! Samantha ain't there but I'll give my girls some grace, ok. LOL!
I appreciate your honesty angel...This season has not been great...I am disappointed..But I will continue to support Issa
IDGAF what age I am, if I don’t want to date someone w/ kids I’m not settling b/c it’s the norm for my age range. Yes, as we grow older the likelihood of being a parent increases. However, I dislike the narrative that one MUST expect a child/children to come along w/ their relationship at 30+.
You guys should give some thought to reviewing season 2 of “Love Life” on HBO.
YES! Such a good show. Just season 2 though
Don't blame y'all about giving up on reviewing the rest of this season. It's been so blah.
Off topic: Angel and/or Marcus ALWAYS bring it with the shoe game! 🔥
I was lowkey mad at you guys for leaving us hanging with no review for episodes 5&6. I really like your perspective. I enjoy the discussion.
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I think I'm the only person that likes Issa and Nathan together.
you're NOT. We gang gang in here too!
You are not alone lol. People so blinded by Lawrence they want this season to be another “the game” . I’m team Nathan and Issa.
@@bonitapandora Yes!! And honestly I wasn't team Lawrence before the baby.
I don’t like it 😕
I do!
There is no relationship there I dont know who thought we needed this Nate and Issa storyline
Kev! 🙌🏿 54:00
Nothing wrong with being over 35 and not having kids tho. Not everyone is cut out or should be a parent. Agree Issa and Nathan are just not a good match. I don't see anyone hoping it works out
I’m literally dry heaving at the way Kev is yelling TBTB during today’s ads 😂😭😂🤣😭😭
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first time watching TBTB since I was missing HTT and the discussion was quite enjoyable considering the fact that I don't watch Insecure. The subject about taking care of your parents was quite relatable since I am there now.
I really don't want Issa to be a bonus mom to that whole new infant. Give yourself a chance girl.
It’s been hard to enjoy this season because they left off on such a huge cliffhanger last season and they’ve yet to address. Feels like the writers are toying with our emotions rather than trying to make great episodes.
Did anyone else see Angel...That Chick...in a commercial las night during the live of Different Strokes.
33:45 Naw Melissa it’s “As a man thinketh so shall he be” 🤣🤣🤣 Proverbs 23:7 so just say it sis!
we need to call Nathan out of his name like we do Condolences. Nathan is Neptune
He's Nanceford 😂
My prediction for the end is that Issa and Lawrence won't reconnect until Molly's wedding. This will require another time jump, of course. Lawrence will be solid in fatherhood and the messiness of the coparenting with Condolences won't be an issue. I also think it's going to be a conversation where they basically discuss how they are it for each other, and it's going to be left up to viewers to decide whether these characters get back together.
I agree guys, it does not feel like a farewell season… it’s fictional but omgeeee I want Issa and Lawrence to be back together so bad… only 3 episodes left …sigh… I can’t with this Nathan story line …I can’t
what make y'all think Lawrence moved back? did they say that?
I think this season also highlights what its like dating someone who is dealing with mental health issues. Nathan is bipolar and it doesn't seem like he is getting any therapy on how to deal with processing his emotions. Its also highlighting people staying in relationships for the all the wrong reasons. I agree with Kevon on Issae using Nathan as a place holder. She really wants to be with Lawrence but it just seems to messy to navigate. Issae also has realized that Nathan's pattern of behavior is to run or avoid any situation that makes him unconformable. These are patterns we see in our daily lives. I just wish they had more time to bring it full circle. With the amount of episodes left in the season I dont see how they can do that. Its not the type of season I would have hoped for from Insecure but I think they are touching on some areas in life that we can relate to. Still not a good season closer tho!
I’m Melissa I need to sit in the sadness for a little bit but then I don’t allow others to sit in the sadness because I want them to be okay! I guess I gotta work on that. I don’t feel the pressure of saying “I love you” if I don’t feel it or it doesn’t come to my lips naturally, I don’t say it.
So......wada happen this weekend?? 👀👀👀👀
Before Issa tossed that baby...I literally thought, it would be funny if she tossed that baby (but that is the Dark Humor in me)😲😲😲 SHE SHOT THAT BABY LIKE A BASKETBALL🤣🤣🤣. I FELT SEEN! That was Natasha Rothwell's idea and I love her for that! I'm glad she directed that episode! I wanted more insight on Kelli's life, they haven't given enough on her but we know enough about Tiffany.
Also, these are NOT 30 min episodes like we were promised...I feel played, there could have been 6 Seasons then let me go ya know?
Jesus said you are defiled by what comes out of your mouth, so Liss is doing the right thing by not speaking it.
Not gone hold you: trusting my moms life to me is scary af!
I feel like this season of Insecure is to make us hate it so we never request Insecure again.
This season is disappointing to me. Molly makes the same face for every emotion, the pace is irritating and I don't like Issa and Nathan. I even hate seeing Lawrence and Condola interacting. Idk. Am I PMS'n? Maybe.
It irks my spirit to see Condola and Lawrence together. You are not alone, girl
Neither one of them have any chemistry whatsoever I don’t see any sex appeal between them 🥱
Is it my phone or were they muted
Even though I've never watched one episode of the show "Insecure" and still have no desire to see it, I LOVE watching them review the final season. It's more entertaining to me.
Is there no sound or I'm tripping?
Hi NC in da house!
The next barber cutting your hair because the barber is late or the barber has a lot of clients is not an issue where I'm from.
I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t like Lawrence. I love Nathan but I don’t think Issa and Nate work
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Kev the shoes are never on y 🤣
He’s comfortable…
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Angel you were in your bag with this review. You are a great producer.
The barber is his cousin if I’m not mistaken
Just say no to Lawrence !!!
I broke down so HARD during that scene with Molly's mom as I just went thru that and more 🫂🫂
*hugs* I'm sorry you went through a difficult time. I hope you're doing ok xx
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I wish time share could be discussed….it is such a trap and scam!!!!
- Honest you guys should continue doing the reviews. That's disappointed if you just stop on episode 7 and don't even do a review of the series finale.
- This season has been meh but episode 7 was great.
Agreed!
it's just a throw up last season..
I don't like them trying to put her and Nathan together.
Why do yall hate Nathan and Issa!? I hate Lawrence 😒. I want Issa and Nathan to make it but as long as she doesn't get back with Lawrence I don't really care.
All y’all heathens trying to encourage Liss to cuss should be ashamed of yourselves! 😂🤣 Isaiah got convicted of his unclean lips. It’s a bad habit Liss, stay strong, don’t do it! One less thing you don’t have to repent.😂
Issa stole Tahir's line " Fuck Them kids"
Am I tripping, or does Angel only have on one lash lol?
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As a trained actor...there was NO concern about looking for Flavor Flav and I was PISSED with it! Like, sis...your BFF's mom is in the hospital, may not wake up...and u loose the dog that she actually loves? You LYING and TRASH for not being concerned! That could have been an actors choice to show how wrapped up Issa is in her own love life right now OR a directors choice to lengthen the scene. Newsflash, we didn't need that! I do NOT like Issa and Nathan. I wanted her to be alone or just with someone else. Like You and Lawrence broke up like a year ago (again) let it gooooo!!!!
This season isn’t good. It makes me so sad
Y'all just not gonna review the rest of the season...well alrighty then.
😂😂😂 ikr...
This season been very much someTHING… 😒
I can't hear....
I try not to curse. But I will say "that witch with a B"
It’s so crazy how much JoJo is Melissa’s copy/paste. I mean, looks, mannerisms, voice 🤯
I would love for Issa and Lawrence to finally get together for good; however, I feel like Issa and CrenShawn will end up together. That relationship would be symbolic of Issa Rae's love for L.A. (Crenshaw). The show is as much about Issa Rae's love for L.A. as Issa Dee's love for Lawrence.
I hope I'm wrong.
Wow… so y’all really rooting for Issa and Lawrence to get back together? So we just gonna forget how this man got a whole STD, went to church once pretending to repent then got right back in the saddle smashing anything that moved, met Condola, had sex with her UNPROTECTED like he wasn’t just burning, got her pregnant, then told the girl she messed up his life once him and Issa finally had a heart to heart… 🤔🤔 Issa needs to move on and start fresh. I don’t completely like Nathan for her, but I won’t knock it for now. I get her and Lawrence have history but nah man.
Hold on! Lawrence isn't perfect but he was single and he did call the women who he had sex with after he found out he had a std...him and condesa did use protection but she still got pregnant. He wasn't with Issa. Also if Issa had cheated they would still be together.
I think having a different director every episode threw the flow of the season off. It’s almost like Issa is Schizophrenic 😅 and has a different personality every episode lol. Ion like it.
Interesting take, lol. Kind of true. Wish Natasha would've directed more thus season tbh.
I wish Kerry Washington would of had directed more episodes