Hence why The Batman is so perfect to me. He looked after that kid in the funeral and at his father’s crime scene. he literally saved him from a car collision
Literally one of the first things we see Batfleck do is saving and comforting a child in shock after she lost her parents during the black zero event as Bruce Wayne. Calling Batfleck in BVS the Punisher only shows the true lack of understanding of both characters as well as what a 'character arc' is. Did Batman kill in BVS? Yes just like the first issues of Batman since 1939. Should the first issues where the character isn't fully established be adapted into a movie. Yes why not when it's part of a character arc that gives the Batman we know today in the end.
I'll do one better, Snyder should have just set his "vision" for the DCEU in Universe 3 because he unintentionally created the Crime Syndicate instead of the Justice League.
Snyder shifting his focus to cinematography would be best instead, he's amazing at making his films LOOK cool as shit, its just storytelling and script writing that he's bad at
Snyder is just as egotistical as the likes of Rian Johnson. They look at guidelines and public desires and go "Yeah, but I don't wanna." and then act surprised when we call him out on it. As you said; delusional.
The man does his own think, he likes to test and experiment his like geroge Lucas who liked to do experimental films, and got hate for the prequels. I don't think his egotistical just cause of that.
@@faith4657 Lucas created Star Wars, popular opinion or not, he was free to do whatever he wants with his creation. Especially when he put his money towards the movies. Snyder did not create Batman and when told what Batman has been known not to do nearly throughout his existence, he said "Nah." They are not the same. Not even close.
Except, Star Wars has one unified story. There is one Luke Skywalker. Batman has hundreds of interpretations and it all spanned from a guy who killed criminals when deemed necessary. There is no "guideline" anymore, just preference. Some Batmen kill, others don't. It's unfair then to say Snyder ruined anything when nearly everything about it has some origin in the diverse comics realm.
@@HoodedSpidey Except, you're wrong. There's multiple canons for Star Wars. Hundreds of comics, books, games starring Luke. And some Lucas wouldn't approve of. Like him marrying Mara Jade. Now please share which version of Bruce Wayne Batman has him killing people without A, being corrupted or turned into something else. Or B, turns out to actually be his dad or Damian, or Jason, or someone besides Bruce. And in case you bring up Burton's Batman, I can assure you that it wasn't liked either.
Snyder saying people don't want Batman to be put into situations where he has to kill best conveys his fundamental misunderstanding of the character. Some of the best Batman stories involve him being put in scenarios where the logical solution would be to kill, but he finds an alternative because of how much he values human life. Bro didn't adapt Batman he adapted The Punisher 💀
What most people don’t understand is that some iterations of Batman don’t only avoid killing because it’s wrong, but because it’s the only thing keeping him sane. When he says not killing is what separates him from the criminals he’s being literal
Nah it goes way deeper than that half assed half truth explanation of his moral code that people keep clinging to from the fucking red hood movie lmao. Batman 540-541 (irc) by Doug Moench does a much better job at fully explaining Batman's moral code.
@@anthonygarcia8749 I wasn’t even referring to the Red Hood movie. And im sure those comics do a great job explaining his moral codes, but it’s not like the movie is wrong either. Most iterations of Batman don’t kill because it clashes with his moral beliefs and promises, it would tarnish what ‘The Batman’ stands for, he’d keep killing and in his eyes become just as bad as the criminals, or even become a villain that’s worse than any of his rogues. And im not saying all this in a disrespectful manner btw. I was just conveying that Batman’s reasons for not killing are relatively easy to understand, pretty consistent with most versions (regardless if they’re “half truths” or extensively explained) and a big part of his character. so idk why people like Snyder want him to be a mass murderer with no self control.
@@KaoticKwan The way I see it, he's violent as is. He became a vigilante to avenge his parents. So, in a sick way, he enjoys beating up bad guys. I see him as a Dexter figure who wants to distance himself from the murderous criminals.
Zack Snyder could make a movie of Flashpoint Batman if he wanted to. Since that Batman does kill it would be interesting to see how that Gotham and rogues gallary ajusted to a Batman like that.
That’s the thing, in that story there is no rougues gallery, the only one alive is the joker because it’s Martha in that story. The writers knew if they were going to make Batman kill they had to have a good reason to have the joker alive. Because otherwise they’d all be dead in one night.
That’s why one of my favorite Batman’s came from the animated series. He actually gave a damn about his Rogue’s gallery. And it wasn’t in some sort of selfish or psychotic way. He genuinely wanted to help them, even when it was proved he wasn’t responsible for what they became. Harley Quinn was a good example. The show version, not the comics.🤔
Exactly. One of the great things about tas is that batman cares. Hence why he tries to save Clayface, his friend harvey, etc. The animated versions captured this quality very well.
He made Batman kill a bunch of people and somehow also allowed Batman to have a relationship with Commissioner Gordon when we all know Jim will definitely not be okay with it. DC shouldn't have let him touch Batman. There's a reason why Batman doesn't kill. It's literally his code
I had seen a bunch of game critiques on the arkham games and something they said could be put in most media of batman, "A Batman who kills is boring, shallow. A Batman who's best part of himself is his discipline, good, it puts a complex layer on his character", Snyder has the chance to make a good Batman, he has the actor, the supplies, the knowledge, and he's just making a battle for the cowl Red hood in Batman's body. (BTW love your vids man, you're hilarious asf)
@@kennethsatria6607 Yep - in the comics a while back, I’m pretty sure he ditched the guns. In other continuities where he stopped - like Gotham Knights, for example - he’s basically just Batman with guns that shoot rubber bullets.
@@AnimusDesynched_751 yeah, rubber bullets is kinda lame. It can work, but not for Red Hood lmao. And also, yeah, if Red Hood doesn't kill, he isn't Red Hood, he is an edgy Robin with a crowbar.
Why is it that cartoons can capture the essence of DC characters so well, yet the multi-million dollar corporations behind them can't resist the urge to inject their own egos and think they know better?
Their are a couple of comic batman part of the batman who laughs universe that kills and their backstories are all damn interesting, that is good writing so yes a live action batman who kills can be made with good writing.
I’m kind of on this whole situation. On one hand, I completely agree that Batman shouldn’t be a murderer. He supposed to stand for something better than lethal violence. Bruce has seen repeatably the horrors of death and wouldn’t inflict that on anyone else. What are you agree with his method or not? It’s very respectable and shows that no matter how violent he may appear he has a good heart. On the other hand, though, I can understand the appeal of wanting to push your character into uncomfortable places. We all know that the main Batman will never kill. So I can see why people would like to question “well what if he did?” What happens to a hero when they cross the line? Are they too far gone and they’re now better than the villains, or can he come back to the light? in a better story, I think this would be a really interesting direction to take Batman, even if I personally would not have him kill someone. I think the best story to tackle this concept is Arkham City. The game has a big theme of “should you let terrible people die even if it’s for an unjust reason?” Not only is Batman’s moral code several times by enemies and allies alike throughout the game, but even by the end, Batman questions if he should just let the joker die, but ultimately stands by his convictions. It handles the same in a more respectful manner to the character established in my opinion.
Yeah but the way he discussed it Snyder was obviously not thinking about character nuance he just wanted a batman that kills because its cooler to him and brings up flawed excuses like old man batman in Dark Knight Returns. WHO DOESN'T KILL OR USE GUNS TO KILL EITHER The shot where he used a sniper was for a grapling hook, and another case was him using a pistol to trigger a bomb, Dark Knight batman hates guns like any other batman and sure as hell still doesn't wanna kill, its why the Joker had to finish the job and kill himself when Batman was forced to break the latter's neck
@@kennethsatria6607 yes. Obviously, in TDKR universe, this Batman is old and violent, but he still stands by his rules. Even when he was saying to Joker "How many people I've killed by letting you live.", he still didn't kill him.
As mentioned, the problem is his reasoning. He says he wants to do it just to be contrarian (kind of like rian jonson). He also said batman would be in a Tibetan prison and get raped in prison. What? Why would you even think of that? What does that have to do with batman?
I agree with having to put Batman in a situation where he is has no choice at all and see what happens, it make for some incredible character moments but snyder didn’t even do that , he just made him a mass murderer there wasn’t that build up that one slip up that made him go nuts, at least if it was there fine but nope he fucked up
Snyder doesn't know jackshit about comics in general, he took what he though was cool without reading it thoroughly and decided to make a shitshow adaptation. Its a good thing he got fired from WB, Snyder should stay away from comics media as far as possible
There was ONE injustice comic where Batman did kill, but he immediately turned himself in for the crime hereafter. That proves to me that people can write a story of Batman doing something out of his character without flat out destroying it.
The thing about the whole "putting Batman in a situation where he has to kill" thing is that he is put in that situation so many times and he ALWAYS finds a way not to.
Snyder’s Batman could’ve worked if we had an established universe Batman before hand. A different interpretation that studies the fact he could be pushed to kill isn’t bad, but we had nothing to really compare it too other than Bale and he breaks his rule three times (Not counting background kills)
I think Batman V Superman having a Batman at his lowest point is a interesting idea he's at a point where the rules he held himself by his getting closer to breaking but in the end dont have him kill people instead have him be able to rise back up again and become The Batman we all know and love
I wouldn't have mind seeing him contemplate a murder then held back. That's perfectly fine, seeing as he would've been at his lowest point, but what we got was much worse
Yeah, there is a great video by HiTop films that explained how much better the "Save Martha" scene would have been if Batman didn't kill in the movie, that being the moment where he is finally going to cross that line after wating it for years only to be reminded of why he fights and who he is, not going to kill an alien but a man, something Bats would never do.
There are so many people in here who don’t have the slightest clue of who Batman is. His reluctance to kill is what keeps him from crossing the line and becoming just what he sets out to stop. It’s not a difficult concept, unless you’re an insanely ignorant Snyder fan, willing to completely ignore logic and rational thoughts simply because of what he said.
Im glad Matt Reeves took over, dude had Batman straight up said "no gun" to Gordon. Snyder may nailed the gary stu aspects of Batman ,but he doesnt understand the core of Batman. Reeves literally took everything gadgets, fighting skills, playboi persona..Out of Batman, still managed to make a good Batman film. now imagine the sequel, and Battinson with all the aspects you loved, he will definitely the best for sure.
Making Batman kill is like having Spider-Man drop being a hero and being responsible because "I'm bored" or because his hatred gets to him. Snyder is NOT good at making Batman movies and is genuinely overrated
Zack Snyder: What happens when you put him a situation where he has to kill someone Then you get the amazing ending to the great movie that is Batman Under The Red Hood. Where he's get put ina situation that literally tests everything he stands for and believes in. He found a way to get out of it without killing either Jason or Joker. Batman Under The Red Hood is *THE* best Batman movie and I will die on that friggin hill. Solid animation, fantastic pacing, great action, and hell you don't even need to be a Batman fan to enjoy it! The movie does a amazing job of introducing the concept of multiple robins and whatever. God I could gush about that movie for hours.
It's worse how the Snyder Cultists defend Snyder's decision. Like I swear, most them MF's have never touched a comic page in their life, 'cause they constantly have to attack others for not liking that idea for Batman.
There are many problems with the whole "batman should kill" thing one of them being is if he went around killing his enemies then the government authorities would have to take him down . This would make his Job much harder
Zack Snyder is absolutely clueless. I'm not surprised since this is the same person who shamelessly stole from Star Wars and Warhammer 40k and STILL managed to make an awfully mid film.
I like how people bring this up, and wasn't born when the movie first came out. It's easy to say that when it's 20 years later when we had no Internet to converse our thoughts, so of course you think no body complained, THEY DID, they just wasn't the news or on TV in general (which was the only way at the time to spread your opinion). I like his movies but still don't like that he kills, just like I like batflecks batman but hate that he kills. Even in Spider-Man 3 that cut a scene where he killed a dude by smashing him through a window, they took it out because they understood he wouldn't do that, people just don't have the same compassion with batman. If you want a batman who kills adapt flash point batman
@@samburgerwithcheeze8145 I know that because of batkeaton killing there was some controversy or something like that at the time but i feel like people are way more harsh about batfleck killing than they are with batkeaton
I think the ONLY thing that would even work if Snyder is doing this, is to adapt the flashpoint comic where an alternate world where Tom Wayne is batman and Martha's the Joker but if he's just gonna make THE batman a murderer, that'll literally destroy his entire character
Batman doesn’t kill. Period. End of story Yes he did kill in The Golden Age but that was later retconned and was a different version of the mainstream Batman. Not to mention it was nearly 90 years ago
If Zack Snyder wants to make a movie where Batman kills people he can just make a Flashpoint Batman movie, but seeing how he misunderstands Characters like this I don't know honestly If a movie like that Made by Zack Snyder would be good or pure Garbage
1:05, Weirdly enough, most live action Batman iterations are put in positions where they directly or indirectly kill someone (Keaton’s killing his Joker and some goons, Kilmer’s tricking his Harvey with those coins to fall to his death, Bale’s abandoning Ra’s Al Ghul, tackling his Harvey of a platform to protect Gordon’s family, and crashing Talia Al Ghul’s truck, and finally Afleck’s openly slaughtering goons with cannons, explosives and even a crate thrown with his grapnel). The issue is, if we’re talking about putting Batman in positions where he has no choice but to directly or indirectly kill someone, the best live action Batman to do that while still keeping his “no killing” rule relevant is Bale’s, as a major aspect of that iteration is his refusal to become an “executioner”, to not kill people who were defenseless (like he was as a child) or otherwise not a threat to him or anyone else due to his abilities being so advanced compared to most people he encounters. He let Ra’s die because he had no other way to stop him or the League Of Shadows, a literal army of ninjas all sharing his combat and espionage training, an organization that contributed to Gotham’s poverty and indirectly killed his parents. Harvey shooting him limited his ability to protect Gordon’s family from him and all he could do was just tackling Harvey away from them. And Talia was armed with an active nuke counting down to destroy the city, meaning Batman had to get to it as fast as possible, even if it meant potentially endangering Talia in the process. Otherwise, in most other circumstances, his capabilities and equipment allowed him to subdue most of his enemies without killing them, including Joker, who once incarcerated, realistically had no means of escape or getting any kind of leniency from the courts, not with all he’s done. This adaptation of the “no killing” rule is less rigid than in the comics, but it makes sense considering this version of Batman’s world is meant to be closer to a normal world than most adaptations, having Batman specifically being against executing or assassinating people (again, killing people who are defenseless) but willing to kill to defend others in desperate circumstances where he can’t control every aspect of a situation works for that version of the character and the world and story he inhabits. Affleck’s Batman does the exact opposite, openly attacking most of his opponents with lethal force, even in situations where doing so actively goes against his goals, such as the Batmobile chase where he first planted a tracker on the vehicle’s he’d be following to the Kryptonite storage, then needlessly and completely unprovoked, he follows this up by nearly flattening the whole convoy with his Batmobile before they even reach their destination and reveal the location to him. It’s there just to have a bombastic action sequence with the Batmobile and has no functional purpose to the plot (such as having Batman overhear something about one of the goons that sends him into a frenzy that briefly sabotages his own mission, showing Batman becoming murderous has made him undisciplined and ineffective). Afleck’s Batman being this willing to kill, directly or indirectly, (even more so than Keaton’s, the other most lethal Batman) also creates another problem, as it opens the question of why any supercriminals are still alive in Gotham, what would stop Batman from executing and assassinating them (especially Joker and Harley after their killing of Robin supposedly was the catalyst that made him lethal to begin with). The only real logical answer is Batman is only willing to kill when in a fight, but this still doesn’t explain the amount of supercriminals that have survived where several goons have perished. At least Keaton’s was consistent enough to actually kill off some of his villains along with some of the goons that were in his way. Either way, it’s a mess.
Did you ask Zack Snyder, if he read All Star Batman & Robin? Cause I Got a feeling he got inspiration from that as well. Because All Star Batman & Robin is where Batman kills. Batman burn criminals alive while he’s having sex with Black Canary. All Star Batman & Robin is a comic you should never take inspiration from. Even in that comic Dick Grayson almost kill Green Lantern. Yeah Batman save his but isn’t Dick, the first Robin supposed to stop Batman if he goes too far not the other way around?
It’s weird cause it feels like Affleck’s Batman is the older version of Pattinson’s Batman and vice versa, but that isn’t the case, what kind of Bizarro World do we live in???
Personally I think Snyder's Batman was cold af. These characters are fundamentally designed to have different adaptations, if people can't handle Batman killing in one movie then they are soft. I think people misunderstood the whole character arc, by the BvS he spared Lex after superman's sacrifice, this universe was supposed to show the heroes going through hardship so they could get enough development to become the traditional version. I get not liking the snyder movies but they clearly went over some people's heads
To be fair he said he wanted to put these heroes in these types of situations but his approach was not executed very well. For example in the docks scene before the Batmobile chase scene Batman shoots a tracker onto the truck carrying the Kryptonite and instead of secretly following the truck he goes on a gun toting car chase and might’ve potentially lost the track when he ripped off half the truck, in Justice League Wonder Woman blew up one guy when in the same scene we saw disarm and incapacitated and even kill some of the gunman in that scene when she could’ve easily disarm the gunman, in BVS again in the Africa scene Superman flew at the terrorist holding Lois Lane hostage with great force and speed when he could’ve easily disarm him and we see Superman be fast like slow motion fast like The Flash in Justice League. My problem with Snyder is that he puts these heroes in easily avoidable situations that can easily be solved without using great amount of lethal force. Wonder Woman did not need to blow someone up and cause greater property damage and potentially put more people in danger, Batman did not need to chase the goons with the Batmobile, Superman could easily save Lois without killing a human being in the process.
Great video Demi I stand by all the points that you made. Batman is one of the motivational characters ever he sticks to his own morals and gets his talents through hard work and dedication. The Arkham games explore that morality well and so does Under the Red Hood. So to have him destroy that one rule doesnt make him Batman it makes The Red Hood or Grim Knight. Its a integral part of his character that makes him more interesting
The whole talk about Batman killing old news. Snyder want it to be relevant because in Batman FIRST conception in the comic books was him killing his villains. Look it up! Brucie Bruce was not taking prisoners. I believe that is where Synder was coming from.
That also comes from a different angle with modern heroes. The no-killing rule wasn't really introduced into comics as a moral imperative, but because it was getting difficult to invent new villains. Now, however, Batman has a complex character that does not permit killing for multiple reasons. It makes much less sense why someone like Harvey Bullock doesn't fall on his sword and "accidentally" three magazines into the back of the clown's head once he's in custody, but once again that's because comics don't want to invent a new villain every week. A hero who kills is fine, and honestly I'd say we need more of them, because killing evil is not an evil act. However, Batman has been built up into a character who cannot kill.
People forget you realise batman is a guy who as a CHILD watched his parents died and because of that he sees life as precious which is why he doesn't kill really people don't ask WHY THE COPS WHO DON'T HAVE MORALS LET JOKER FREE also i didn't like that in the dceu batman just goes all muscle no subtletee or sneaking also dceu batman suit looks ridiculous
Its a huge shame cause amongst the great ideas and cooler directors cut version of his movies that show he does have passion, its that one hangup he has of heroes like Superman and Batman not killing that dooms him to failure as a guy who's job is to adapt them. And he hides it very poorly, the guy just wants to show death and violence for the cool factor. The very least he could do is try to work in between like the argument with Man of Steel was it could've been Superman's moment of trauma that he had to execute someone to save innocents and so "never again", or Batman in BVS having the goal to Kill Superman, him being his one planned killing should have had more gravity because its the one time he's tempted to do so after unseen trauma with I assume Jason Todd. But the guy has absolutely no self awareness when it comes to this its just really sad. I hope we don't get a somehow worse case with James Gunn (he's succeeded before but always a chance our trust will be betrayed)
"Homie just compared Bruce Wayne to God" 💀 Snyder sounds so wildly out of touch. "I want to see what happens." If Batman were to kill, then he would kill. Congratulations. That's not an interesting scenario. It instantly becomes boring if it's all that Batman does. Bruce Wayne is interesting *because* he doesn't kill, because he has to figure out alternative ways to win. Remember the finale of Arkham Origins? Where Joker dares Batman to kill Bane otherwise he'll suicide by electric chair? So you know what Bruce does? *He stops Bane's heart temporarily.* That is INFINITELY more interesting than if he were to just slaughter them.
Not what he said.your god just means you are making him a dumb ass for not killing some villians ,saying he doesnt kill is just kinda dumb ...i mean if he killed gotham would be better off
Snyder is the most over-rated director in the history of cinema. He's an edgelord weirdo that acts like Eli Roth with no talent and better opportunities.
Its hilarious Zack cultists say "Well this is not your dads Batman and Superman" while showing me 1940's version of Batman where that he uses gun.Like how many reboots we saw since that version.Also showing main version of Superman and Batman killing people butchers soo many good stories from comics.And Zack put many of that good stories ,put into a blender and turn it to a terrible messy milkshake.Thats why Im glad James Gunn reboot this universe because those stories should done justice.
I think this video was the point Snyder was making. About not putting you're god in an unwinnable situation. You praise Batman as he is depicted in a book and would rather dismiss the idea entirely of him losing his way which would go against your idealized version of Batman. My guy, you literally mentioned Batman's plot armor so he gets out of situations and doesn't have to kill... That is exactly what Zack was talking about. If we never get new adaptations, Alfred would still be a useless fat butler, instead of the sarcastic badass former British Intelligence soldier, that we know him as now. Green Lantern would still be defeated by a #2 pencil, etc. I know you didn't make this comparison, but many people see Bale's Batman as the perfect no kill Batman... Which is insane. Bale's Batman is as much a killer as Affleck's. If not more so. Also, my actual God, people have to learn the difference between murderer and killer. They are not interchangeable words. Affleck's Batman isn't a murderer, everything he does in the film is retaliation. He kills, or commits manslaughter (Like Bale's Bats) but not murder. Also when BvS released, every live action Batman killed in their respective films up to that point. However, people waaaaaay over reacted with Affleck's. I think people were still taken aback by his casting (because there was backlash) so people just went in extra tough on his version.
How does the act of not killing make a hero irrelevant? Snyder sounds like the type of children Superman was worried about. I forgot which movie Superman said it in, but he commented on how he doesn’t want children to grow up thinking that killing bad guys is cool. But even when ignoring the morality of it all, Batman killing opens a flaw in the writing as you have to justify him consistently failing to kill every villain he captures… especially the Joker who in the Snyderverse KILLED Robin.
I understand what he’s saying to an extent. His argument being yes he doesn’t kill but what would a world look like if he were just killing people. At the same time he’s way outta pocket lol. That’s like Harley Quinn and ending bat man oh wait …😂
0:18 not just about adopting the comic book, but also the animated movie. I got it this way: live action adapt the animation, which adapted in the comic.
having his batman kill also makes no sense when how he is fine with killing lesser criminals and spent half the movie planning to murder superman and somehow the joker is still alive, you would think that if hes gonna be going out to kill someone he thinks that poses a threat he would go after the one guy who killed his adopted son
Zack snyder fell off even before BVS 2016(besides the where house fight)...It's a hot take but I prefer Michael Bay as a director even after his last two Transformers movies
he literally saw the dark knight returns saw the part where batman fights superman and based his entire story on that and batman didn't even get his own movie
Batkeaton kills no body panicks. Batbale kills no body panicks. Batfleck kills everyone loses their minds. You hate Zak Synder because the internet told you to hate Zak Synder. Sheep.
Like the vid as always, i do agree with you and i love synders work too. But i also think that a story can work if we go into real.s like that and we make it right. This one was a older batman losing his morals so could have being written better. But as always zack as a very different way of thinking which just makes his work his own thing.
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You know, as much as everyone is focusing on Batmans morals, fans desires and so on, I want to look at it at a different angle - let's say that Batman starts killing people without second though. Ok, fine. But if that's the case... Please... Explain to me, why on Gods green earth is Joker still alive? In Snyder movies, Batman kills random goons without much thought, and I've seen the Snyder fans say stuff like "Yes, Jason Todds death was what broke Batman, it hit him hard" and so on. If Jason Todds death really hit him this hard that he forsook his morals, why then the one person that took Jason away, Joker, gets to keep his life, whilst a random no-name goons get the death penalty? Batman killing everyone but the Joker is the bigger insult towards Jason Todd thant Batman choosing not to kill anyone. It's twisted.
It's like the saying goes "If you can't see your batman comforting a child, you didn't write batman, you wrote the punisher in a bat costume."
Literally!
Hence why The Batman is so perfect to me. He looked after that kid in the funeral and at his father’s crime scene. he literally saved him from a car collision
@@stimswwolf7867 A lot of people don’t know this side of Batman and it’s time for people to see this side of him.
This is a pro comment. Zack Snyder doesn’t understand Batman.
Literally one of the first things we see Batfleck do is saving and comforting a child in shock after she lost her parents during the black zero event as Bruce Wayne. Calling Batfleck in BVS the Punisher only shows the true lack of understanding of both characters as well as what a 'character arc' is.
Did Batman kill in BVS? Yes just like the first issues of Batman since 1939.
Should the first issues where the character isn't fully established be adapted into a movie. Yes why not when it's part of a character arc that gives the Batman we know today in the end.
If Zack Snyder really wants a Batman who kills, he could have just used Red Hood or Knightfall Batman, aka Azrael
Azrael would be so cool in live action ngl, I want him more than I want Deathstroke & that's saying something.
Or Flashpoint Batman or The Batman Who Laughs or that one version of Batman that carries a shit ton of guns
I'll do one better, Snyder should have just set his "vision" for the DCEU in Universe 3 because he unintentionally created the Crime Syndicate instead of the Justice League.
YES
Jesus Christ is king. God protect repent and be forgiven. Pray for others to find Jesus Christ.🔥❤️
I'd take a Red Hood live action movie than a Batman who kills, anytime!
Red Hood is pretty much ‘Batman who kills’
HitopFilms is making a Red hood movie
I just want a Red Hood movie with at least a Deadpool budget
@@Demigah needs to be done in the Matt Reeves universe
Batman not killing was because of the Comics Authority. He used to kill. But he doesn’t kill anymore.
Snyder shifting his focus to cinematography would be best instead, he's amazing at making his films LOOK cool as shit, its just storytelling and script writing that he's bad at
And directing fight scenes. I love his fights
@@Demigahthat’s a fact. BvS may be bootycheeks, but that warehouse fight goes hard asf
The warehouse scene was the best. But synder sometimes doesn't write the story himself.
I remember when he did Guardians of Gahoole way back, he should try doing more animation movies
@@Demigah bro, he put slowmo on a slow motion fight in his Rebel Moon movie.
Dude's a joke when it comes to that
Photography only for him.
Snyder is just as egotistical as the likes of Rian Johnson. They look at guidelines and public desires and go "Yeah, but I don't wanna." and then act surprised when we call him out on it. As you said; delusional.
@EndThusIAm
Well Snyder is an Objectivist. He's got a black and white view on the world.
The man does his own think, he likes to test and experiment his like geroge Lucas who liked to do experimental films, and got hate for the prequels. I don't think his egotistical just cause of that.
@@faith4657 Lucas created Star Wars, popular opinion or not, he was free to do whatever he wants with his creation. Especially when he put his money towards the movies.
Snyder did not create Batman and when told what Batman has been known not to do nearly throughout his existence, he said "Nah."
They are not the same. Not even close.
Except, Star Wars has one unified story. There is one Luke Skywalker.
Batman has hundreds of interpretations and it all spanned from a guy who killed criminals when deemed necessary.
There is no "guideline" anymore, just preference. Some Batmen kill, others don't. It's unfair then to say Snyder ruined anything when nearly everything about it has some origin in the diverse comics realm.
@@HoodedSpidey Except, you're wrong. There's multiple canons for Star Wars. Hundreds of comics, books, games starring Luke. And some Lucas wouldn't approve of. Like him marrying Mara Jade.
Now please share which version of Bruce Wayne Batman has him killing people without A, being corrupted or turned into something else. Or B, turns out to actually be his dad or Damian, or Jason, or someone besides Bruce.
And in case you bring up Burton's Batman, I can assure you that it wasn't liked either.
Christian Bale's Batman should be called Elbow Man with the number of times he uses it to fight
Ikr, Captain Elbow 😆
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I am the 90, I am the right. I. Am. ELBOW-MAN.
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Snyder saying people don't want Batman to be put into situations where he has to kill best conveys his fundamental misunderstanding of the character. Some of the best Batman stories involve him being put in scenarios where the logical solution would be to kill, but he finds an alternative because of how much he values human life. Bro didn't adapt Batman he adapted The Punisher 💀
Seriously! Because of his values and intelligence he always finds a way.
Even when he fails and someone dies, like in Frank Miller's work he references, Batman is still Batman, not whatever Snyder wants him to be.
What do you expect from a director that wants Batman to get ass raped in prison and be a mass murder?
Values life so much he lets psychos keep killing lives
@@elmizzox
That's what people want I guess. Ask them
What most people don’t understand is that some iterations of Batman don’t only avoid killing because it’s wrong, but because it’s the only thing keeping him sane. When he says not killing is what separates him from the criminals he’s being literal
This right here!!!
Nah it goes way deeper than that half assed half truth explanation of his moral code that people keep clinging to from the fucking red hood movie lmao. Batman 540-541 (irc) by Doug Moench does a much better job at fully explaining Batman's moral code.
@@anthonygarcia8749 I wasn’t even referring to the Red Hood movie. And im sure those comics do a great job explaining his moral codes, but it’s not like the movie is wrong either. Most iterations of Batman don’t kill because it clashes with his moral beliefs and promises, it would tarnish what ‘The Batman’ stands for, he’d keep killing and in his eyes become just as bad as the criminals, or even become a villain that’s worse than any of his rogues. And im not saying all this in a disrespectful manner btw. I was just conveying that Batman’s reasons for not killing are relatively easy to understand, pretty consistent with most versions (regardless if they’re “half truths” or extensively explained) and a big part of his character. so idk why people like Snyder want him to be a mass murderer with no self control.
@@anthonygarcia8749what is the explanation in that comic? I’m curious
@@KaoticKwan The way I see it, he's violent as is. He became a vigilante to avenge his parents. So, in a sick way, he enjoys beating up bad guys. I see him as a Dexter figure who wants to distance himself from the murderous criminals.
Zack Snyder could make a movie of Flashpoint Batman if he wanted to. Since that Batman does kill it would be interesting to see how that Gotham and rogues gallary ajusted to a Batman like that.
That’s the thing, in that story there is no rougues gallery, the only one alive is the joker because it’s Martha in that story. The writers knew if they were going to make Batman kill they had to have a good reason to have the joker alive. Because otherwise they’d all be dead in one night.
NOW THERE'S AN IDEA
Yeaah!!
@@olivercrespo2329but isn’t the joker alive in the Snyder verse when he should’ve been the first one to die?
That’s why one of my favorite Batman’s came from the animated series. He actually gave a damn about his Rogue’s gallery. And it wasn’t in some sort of selfish or psychotic way. He genuinely wanted to help them, even when it was proved he wasn’t responsible for what they became. Harley Quinn was a good example. The show version, not the comics.🤔
Speaking of Harley... wasn't her first ever appearance in the animated series? Funny how her first ever interpretation is one of her best
Exactly. One of the great things about tas is that batman cares. Hence why he tries to save Clayface, his friend harvey, etc. The animated versions captured this quality very well.
Hopefully, future directors will make sure not to make Zack Snyder’s mistakes.
Why are you saying this?! You know you're only jinxing it!
He made Batman kill a bunch of people and somehow also allowed Batman to have a relationship with Commissioner Gordon when we all know Jim will definitely not be okay with it. DC shouldn't have let him touch Batman. There's a reason why Batman doesn't kill. It's literally his code
I think Zack Snyder once said that he only likes comics book that have people being killed and people having sex if I remember
He really has an edgy teenager mindset huh
I had seen a bunch of game critiques on the arkham games and something they said could be put in most media of batman, "A Batman who kills is boring, shallow. A Batman who's best part of himself is his discipline, good, it puts a complex layer on his character", Snyder has the chance to make a good Batman, he has the actor, the supplies, the knowledge, and he's just making a battle for the cowl Red hood in Batman's body. (BTW love your vids man, you're hilarious asf)
Thank you! A Batman that kills is a Batman that takes the easiest route for every problem. Batman does not like it easy.
@@Demigah Bro literally said that to Jason in Under the Red Hood “ It’ll be too damn easy “.
The "easy" part is lame, because people will get killed to give Batman a challenge.
It being about a slippery slope of his mind is a better excuse.
Making batman a killer is like making punisher into a pacifist it turns the character into something they are not supposed to be.
it's like when redhood stopped killing he kinda just became lame
@@Taxevader-gk9msWha- he did!?
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Yep - in the comics a while back, I’m pretty sure he ditched the guns.
In other continuities where he stopped - like Gotham Knights, for example - he’s basically just Batman with guns that shoot rubber bullets.
@@AnimusDesynched_751 yeah, rubber bullets is kinda lame. It can work, but not for Red Hood lmao. And also, yeah, if Red Hood doesn't kill, he isn't Red Hood, he is an edgy Robin with a crowbar.
Why is it that cartoons can capture the essence of DC characters so well, yet the multi-million dollar corporations behind them can't resist the urge to inject their own egos and think they know better?
Zack Snyder doesn’t read comics. It’s common facts and it’s true that Affleck is a goated Batman.
He read dark knight returns but completely misunderstood it
@@Isaacisaperson4677 I agree.
which is probably why i enjoyed the films with ben affleck in them, yes he did kill, but his acting, his face and the combat are really comic accurate
@@seynpurrpwait until they get a load of the dcu batman. He might just be the most comic accurate batman than ben affleck
Batman killing can work if done right with actual good writing, ssktjl is how not to write a batman that kills.
Talk to em! Batman killing has been done since the beginning. (Comic Books)
But it would have to be a once in a lifetime kill if Bruce did it
Their are a couple of comic batman part of the batman who laughs universe that kills and their backstories are all damn interesting, that is good writing so yes a live action batman who kills can be made with good writing.
Hell, a Flashpoint Thomas Waybe Batman could be what he wants.
If people want to see Batman killing, then read Golden Age Batman or watch any of the live action movies ( except Pattinson)
I’m kind of on this whole situation.
On one hand, I completely agree that Batman shouldn’t be a murderer. He supposed to stand for something better than lethal violence. Bruce has seen repeatably the horrors of death and wouldn’t inflict that on anyone else. What are you agree with his method or not? It’s very respectable and shows that no matter how violent he may appear he has a good heart.
On the other hand, though, I can understand the appeal of wanting to push your character into uncomfortable places. We all know that the main Batman will never kill. So I can see why people would like to question “well what if he did?” What happens to a hero when they cross the line? Are they too far gone and they’re now better than the villains, or can he come back to the light? in a better story, I think this would be a really interesting direction to take Batman, even if I personally would not have him kill someone.
I think the best story to tackle this concept is Arkham City. The game has a big theme of “should you let terrible people die even if it’s for an unjust reason?”
Not only is Batman’s moral code several times by enemies and allies alike throughout the game, but even by the end, Batman questions if he should just let the joker die, but ultimately stands by his convictions. It handles the same in a more respectful manner to the character established in my opinion.
Yeah but the way he discussed it Snyder was obviously not thinking about character nuance he just wanted a batman that kills because its cooler to him and brings up flawed excuses like old man batman in Dark Knight Returns.
WHO DOESN'T KILL OR USE GUNS TO KILL EITHER
The shot where he used a sniper was for a grapling hook, and another case was him using a pistol to trigger a bomb, Dark Knight batman hates guns like any other batman and sure as hell still doesn't wanna kill, its why the Joker had to finish the job and kill himself when Batman was forced to break the latter's neck
@@kennethsatria6607 yes. Obviously, in TDKR universe, this Batman is old and violent, but he still stands by his rules.
Even when he was saying to Joker "How many people I've killed by letting you live.", he still didn't kill him.
As mentioned, the problem is his reasoning. He says he wants to do it just to be contrarian (kind of like rian jonson). He also said batman would be in a Tibetan prison and get raped in prison. What? Why would you even think of that? What does that have to do with batman?
I agree with having to put Batman in a situation where he is has no choice at all and see what happens, it make for some incredible character moments but snyder didn’t even do that , he just made him a mass murderer there wasn’t that build up that one slip up that made him go nuts, at least if it was there fine but nope he fucked up
Arkham Origins did that and Batman found a way around that by temporarily stopping Bane’s heart. Telltale did the same thing to with Riddler!
@@josephdent6825 origins batman was fire
Snyder doesn't know jackshit about comics in general, he took what he though was cool without reading it thoroughly and decided to make a shitshow adaptation. Its a good thing he got fired from WB, Snyder should stay away from comics media as far as possible
he looks at the pretty pictures and just puts that on the screen. No innovation, no originality, no creativity at all.
The only 2 UA-camrs that as soon as they post I get hyped for the video is Demigah and CoryxKenshin both are absolutely goats
We get hyped for cory cuz he always leaves lol he cool tho
RDC, demigah & Jettro Jettro all Goated individuals 💯
Ofc but don't forget RDC WORLD tho
On god this man just spits to many facts, I can't miss um
Edit: youtube placed my comment multiple times I got rid of the others.
@@rjmiggins5296Jettro Jettro mentioned!
There was ONE injustice comic where Batman did kill, but he immediately turned himself in for the crime hereafter. That proves to me that people can write a story of Batman doing something out of his character without flat out destroying it.
The thing about the whole "putting Batman in a situation where he has to kill" thing is that he is put in that situation so many times and he ALWAYS finds a way not to.
Snyder’s Batman could’ve worked if we had an established universe Batman before hand. A different interpretation that studies the fact he could be pushed to kill isn’t bad, but we had nothing to really compare it too other than Bale and he breaks his rule three times (Not counting background kills)
Didn't he (or someone on his team) not remember that Krypton exploded when they were making Man of Steel?
What? 😂
No, it was the WB execs and it was *HIM* that reminded them.
I think Batman V Superman having a Batman at his lowest point is a interesting idea he's at a point where the rules he held himself by his getting closer to breaking but in the end dont have him kill people instead have him be able to rise back up again and become The Batman we all know and love
I wouldn't have mind seeing him contemplate a murder then held back. That's perfectly fine, seeing as he would've been at his lowest point, but what we got was much worse
Yeah, there is a great video by HiTop films that explained how much better the "Save Martha" scene would have been if Batman didn't kill in the movie, that being the moment where he is finally going to cross that line after wating it for years only to be reminded of why he fights and who he is, not going to kill an alien but a man, something Bats would never do.
Fr his God comment was weird, he likes art for arts sake”this is cool so its good”
There are so many people in here who don’t have the slightest clue of who Batman is. His reluctance to kill is what keeps him from crossing the line and becoming just what he sets out to stop.
It’s not a difficult concept, unless you’re an insanely ignorant Snyder fan, willing to completely ignore logic and rational thoughts simply because of what he said.
After Rebel Moon and Army of the Dead I don't he even understands good movies.
Im glad Matt Reeves took over, dude had Batman straight up said "no gun" to Gordon. Snyder may nailed the gary stu aspects of Batman ,but he doesnt understand the core of Batman. Reeves literally took everything gadgets, fighting skills, playboi persona..Out of Batman, still managed to make a good Batman film. now imagine the sequel, and Battinson with all the aspects you loved, he will definitely the best for sure.
Making Batman kill is like having Spider-Man drop being a hero and being responsible because "I'm bored" or because his hatred gets to him. Snyder is NOT good at making Batman movies and is genuinely overrated
Batfleck brands criminals like cows! That isn’t Batman. That is Frank Castle in a Bat Cowl! That is Justice Lord Batman not Justice League Batman.
Zack Snyder: What happens when you put him a situation where he has to kill someone
Then you get the amazing ending to the great movie that is Batman Under The Red Hood. Where he's get put ina situation that literally tests everything he stands for and believes in.
He found a way to get out of it without killing either Jason or Joker.
Batman Under The Red Hood is *THE* best Batman movie and I will die on that friggin hill. Solid animation, fantastic pacing, great action, and hell you don't even need to be a Batman fan to enjoy it! The movie does a amazing job of introducing the concept of multiple robins and whatever. God I could gush about that movie for hours.
It's worse how the Snyder Cultists defend Snyder's decision. Like I swear, most them MF's have never touched a comic page in their life, 'cause they constantly have to attack others for not liking that idea for Batman.
There are many problems with the whole "batman should kill" thing one of them being is if he went around killing his enemies then the government authorities would have to take him down . This would make his Job much harder
Zack Snyder is absolutely clueless. I'm not surprised since this is the same person who shamelessly stole from Star Wars and Warhammer 40k and STILL managed to make an awfully mid film.
Zack Snyder doesn’t understand Batman I’m happy he got fired from dc I’m excited too see what James Gunn is cooking up
Y'all seem to forget batkeaton always killed in his movies 💀
Yeah and that’s one of the most major complaints for those movies and they came from a time when people didn’t care if it was comic accurate
I like how people bring this up, and wasn't born when the movie first came out. It's easy to say that when it's 20 years later when we had no Internet to converse our thoughts, so of course you think no body complained, THEY DID, they just wasn't the news or on TV in general (which was the only way at the time to spread your opinion).
I like his movies but still don't like that he kills, just like I like batflecks batman but hate that he kills. Even in Spider-Man 3 that cut a scene where he killed a dude by smashing him through a window, they took it out because they understood he wouldn't do that, people just don't have the same compassion with batman. If you want a batman who kills adapt flash point batman
He smiled when he realised homie was gonna die, too 😂😂
It and it was dumb there too
@@samburgerwithcheeze8145 I know that because of batkeaton killing there was some controversy or something like that at the time but i feel like people are way more harsh about batfleck killing than they are with batkeaton
Bro said Batman SMOKED a thug in front of a kid, he needs to stay far away from DC
Don’t let him touch the DCU
I think the ONLY thing that would even work if Snyder is doing this, is to adapt the flashpoint comic where an alternate world where Tom Wayne is batman and Martha's the Joker
but if he's just gonna make THE batman a murderer, that'll literally destroy his entire character
He f*cked up superman and batman so hard
They are literally one of the most iconic superhero duo, but somehow snyder managed to ruin them
Batman doesn’t kill. Period. End of story
Yes he did kill in The Golden Age but that was later retconned and was a different version of the mainstream Batman. Not to mention it was nearly 90 years ago
If Zack Snyder wants to make a movie where Batman kills people he can just make a Flashpoint Batman movie, but seeing how he misunderstands Characters like this I don't know honestly If a movie like that Made by Zack Snyder would be good or pure Garbage
1:05, Weirdly enough, most live action Batman iterations are put in positions where they directly or indirectly kill someone (Keaton’s killing his Joker and some goons, Kilmer’s tricking his Harvey with those coins to fall to his death, Bale’s abandoning Ra’s Al Ghul, tackling his Harvey of a platform to protect Gordon’s family, and crashing Talia Al Ghul’s truck, and finally Afleck’s openly slaughtering goons with cannons, explosives and even a crate thrown with his grapnel).
The issue is, if we’re talking about putting Batman in positions where he has no choice but to directly or indirectly kill someone, the best live action Batman to do that while still keeping his “no killing” rule relevant is Bale’s, as a major aspect of that iteration is his refusal to become an “executioner”, to not kill people who were defenseless (like he was as a child) or otherwise not a threat to him or anyone else due to his abilities being so advanced compared to most people he encounters. He let Ra’s die because he had no other way to stop him or the League Of Shadows, a literal army of ninjas all sharing his combat and espionage training, an organization that contributed to Gotham’s poverty and indirectly killed his parents. Harvey shooting him limited his ability to protect Gordon’s family from him and all he could do was just tackling Harvey away from them. And Talia was armed with an active nuke counting down to destroy the city, meaning Batman had to get to it as fast as possible, even if it meant potentially endangering Talia in the process.
Otherwise, in most other circumstances, his capabilities and equipment allowed him to subdue most of his enemies without killing them, including Joker, who once incarcerated, realistically had no means of escape or getting any kind of leniency from the courts, not with all he’s done. This adaptation of the “no killing” rule is less rigid than in the comics, but it makes sense considering this version of Batman’s world is meant to be closer to a normal world than most adaptations, having Batman specifically being against executing or assassinating people (again, killing people who are defenseless) but willing to kill to defend others in desperate circumstances where he can’t control every aspect of a situation works for that version of the character and the world and story he inhabits.
Affleck’s Batman does the exact opposite, openly attacking most of his opponents with lethal force, even in situations where doing so actively goes against his goals, such as the Batmobile chase where he first planted a tracker on the vehicle’s he’d be following to the Kryptonite storage, then needlessly and completely unprovoked, he follows this up by nearly flattening the whole convoy with his Batmobile before they even reach their destination and reveal the location to him. It’s there just to have a bombastic action sequence with the Batmobile and has no functional purpose to the plot (such as having Batman overhear something about one of the goons that sends him into a frenzy that briefly sabotages his own mission, showing Batman becoming murderous has made him undisciplined and ineffective).
Afleck’s Batman being this willing to kill, directly or indirectly, (even more so than Keaton’s, the other most lethal Batman) also creates another problem, as it opens the question of why any supercriminals are still alive in Gotham, what would stop Batman from executing and assassinating them (especially Joker and Harley after their killing of Robin supposedly was the catalyst that made him lethal to begin with). The only real logical answer is Batman is only willing to kill when in a fight, but this still doesn’t explain the amount of supercriminals that have survived where several goons have perished. At least Keaton’s was consistent enough to actually kill off some of his villains along with some of the goons that were in his way.
Either way, it’s a mess.
He also made the dead Robin in BVS Dick Grayson so we could never get nightwing, the titans, or even red hood in the DCEU because of him.
This is the same guy who made 300. He doesn't have "subtley and nuance" bone in his body 😂
Crazy to think it's been 8 years since BvS came out...
A Batman that kills makes a character like Red hood pointless in DC imo
This is why I believe Patterson is the best Batman and “The Batman” series of movies should stay disconnected
100% agree
That fight seen was awesome
One of the best I’ve seen in a ComicBook movie
Batman inflicts fear and ben Affleck made a great job considering other batman
2:03 the accent switch up 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did you ask Zack Snyder, if he read All Star Batman & Robin? Cause I Got a feeling he got inspiration from that as well.
Because All Star Batman & Robin is where Batman kills. Batman burn criminals alive while he’s having sex with Black Canary.
All Star Batman & Robin is a comic you should never take inspiration from.
Even in that comic Dick Grayson almost kill Green Lantern. Yeah Batman save his but isn’t Dick, the first Robin supposed to stop Batman if he goes too far not the other way around?
I did not ask him that 😂
Ben Affleck looks EXACTLY like a middle ages Bruce Wayne. He was PERFECT!
Was waiting for u to bring up that Zack was comfortably ok to have his Batman get graped* in prison
Making a Batman that kills is equivalent to making a deadpool that doesnt make jokes. Its just not their nature
Snyder why does this man wanna make batman kill. Hash tag make dc great again and agreed Batflek
Batman isn't a killer he's batman
It’s weird cause it feels like Affleck’s Batman is the older version of Pattinson’s Batman and vice versa, but that isn’t the case, what kind of Bizarro World do we live in???
No it doesnt lol afflecks batman has a completely different feel to him then pattinsons
@@ahkafkhan4512 No duh that was the point of me saying that it feels like he’s an older version of Pattinson’s Batman.
Personally I think Snyder's Batman was cold af. These characters are fundamentally designed to have different adaptations, if people can't handle Batman killing in one movie then they are soft. I think people misunderstood the whole character arc, by the BvS he spared Lex after superman's sacrifice, this universe was supposed to show the heroes going through hardship so they could get enough development to become the traditional version. I get not liking the snyder movies but they clearly went over some people's heads
My guy demigah spitting facts couldn't have said it better myself
To be fair he said he wanted to put these heroes in these types of situations but his approach was not executed very well. For example in the docks scene before the Batmobile chase scene Batman shoots a tracker onto the truck carrying the Kryptonite and instead of secretly following the truck he goes on a gun toting car chase and might’ve potentially lost the track when he ripped off half the truck, in Justice League Wonder Woman blew up one guy when in the same scene we saw disarm and incapacitated and even kill some of the gunman in that scene when she could’ve easily disarm the gunman, in BVS again in the Africa scene Superman flew at the terrorist holding Lois Lane hostage with great force and speed when he could’ve easily disarm him and we see Superman be fast like slow motion fast like The Flash in Justice League. My problem with Snyder is that he puts these heroes in easily avoidable situations that can easily be solved without using great amount of lethal force. Wonder Woman did not need to blow someone up and cause greater property damage and potentially put more people in danger, Batman did not need to chase the goons with the Batmobile, Superman could easily save Lois without killing a human being in the process.
Great video Demi I stand by all the points that you made. Batman is one of the motivational characters ever he sticks to his own morals and gets his talents through hard work and dedication. The Arkham games explore that morality well and so does Under the Red Hood. So to have him destroy that one rule doesnt make him Batman it makes The Red Hood or Grim Knight. Its a integral part of his character that makes him more interesting
3:03 that’s because they had the director of the animated version of dark Knight returns help with Zach Snyder to choirgraph, his fights.
The whole talk about Batman killing old news. Snyder want it to be relevant because in Batman FIRST conception in the comic books was him killing his villains. Look it up! Brucie Bruce was not taking prisoners. I believe that is where Synder was coming from.
That also comes from a different angle with modern heroes. The no-killing rule wasn't really introduced into comics as a moral imperative, but because it was getting difficult to invent new villains. Now, however, Batman has a complex character that does not permit killing for multiple reasons. It makes much less sense why someone like Harvey Bullock doesn't fall on his sword and "accidentally" three magazines into the back of the clown's head once he's in custody, but once again that's because comics don't want to invent a new villain every week. A hero who kills is fine, and honestly I'd say we need more of them, because killing evil is not an evil act. However, Batman has been built up into a character who cannot kill.
Stryker is alive.
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@@jrloulanza6534who?
Someone send this to Zack Snyder
People forget you realise batman is a guy who as a CHILD watched his parents died and because of that he sees life as precious which is why he doesn't kill really people don't ask WHY THE COPS WHO DON'T HAVE MORALS LET JOKER FREE also i didn't like that in the dceu batman just goes all muscle no subtletee or sneaking also dceu batman suit looks ridiculous
Pattinson’s Bruce>
Ben is not the best batman . He simped for superman how can he be the best.
Its a huge shame cause amongst the great ideas and cooler directors cut version of his movies that show he does have passion, its that one hangup he has of heroes like Superman and Batman not killing that dooms him to failure as a guy who's job is to adapt them.
And he hides it very poorly, the guy just wants to show death and violence for the cool factor.
The very least he could do is try to work in between like the argument with Man of Steel was it could've been Superman's moment of trauma that he had to execute someone to save innocents and so "never again", or Batman in BVS having the goal to Kill Superman, him being his one planned killing should have had more gravity because its the one time he's tempted to do so after unseen trauma with I assume Jason Todd.
But the guy has absolutely no self awareness when it comes to this its just really sad.
I hope we don't get a somehow worse case with James Gunn (he's succeeded before but always a chance our trust will be betrayed)
"Homie just compared Bruce Wayne to God" 💀
Snyder sounds so wildly out of touch. "I want to see what happens." If Batman were to kill, then he would kill. Congratulations. That's not an interesting scenario. It instantly becomes boring if it's all that Batman does.
Bruce Wayne is interesting *because* he doesn't kill, because he has to figure out alternative ways to win. Remember the finale of Arkham Origins? Where Joker dares Batman to kill Bane otherwise he'll suicide by electric chair? So you know what Bruce does? *He stops Bane's heart temporarily.* That is INFINITELY more interesting than if he were to just slaughter them.
Not what he said.your god just means you are making him a dumb ass for not killing some villians ,saying he doesnt kill is just kinda dumb ...i mean if he killed gotham would be better off
Batman killing people wouldn’t make him Batman, Also have you seen the new dragon ball sparking zero gameplay showcase? It’s amazing
Sadly, I am not a db fan
@@Demigah oh
@@Demigah lol same
Snyder is the most over-rated director in the history of cinema. He's an edgelord weirdo that acts like Eli Roth with no talent and better opportunities.
Its hilarious Zack cultists say "Well this is not your dads Batman and Superman" while showing me 1940's version of Batman where that he uses gun.Like how many reboots we saw since that version.Also showing main version of Superman and Batman killing people butchers soo many good stories from comics.And Zack put many of that good stories ,put into a blender and turn it to a terrible messy milkshake.Thats why Im glad James Gunn reboot this universe because those stories should done justice.
"Batman can't kill so I wabt to make him kill" bro is thinking like a fucking 3 year old
2:46 I’ve learned that fan films, hell even some fanfictions can nail comic book characters better than Hollywood can
I think this video was the point Snyder was making.
About not putting you're god in an unwinnable situation.
You praise Batman as he is depicted in a book and would rather dismiss the idea entirely of him losing his way which would go against your idealized version of Batman.
My guy, you literally mentioned Batman's plot armor so he gets out of situations and doesn't have to kill...
That is exactly what Zack was talking about.
If we never get new adaptations, Alfred would still be a useless fat butler, instead of the sarcastic badass former British Intelligence soldier, that we know him as now.
Green Lantern would still be defeated by a #2 pencil, etc.
I know you didn't make this comparison, but many people see Bale's Batman as the perfect no kill Batman...
Which is insane.
Bale's Batman is as much a killer as Affleck's. If not more so.
Also, my actual God, people have to learn the difference between murderer and killer.
They are not interchangeable words.
Affleck's Batman isn't a murderer, everything he does in the film is retaliation. He kills, or commits manslaughter (Like Bale's Bats) but not murder.
Also when BvS released, every live action Batman killed in their respective films up to that point. However, people waaaaaay over reacted with Affleck's. I think people were still taken aback by his casting (because there was backlash) so people just went in extra tough on his version.
How does the act of not killing make a hero irrelevant?
Snyder sounds like the type of children Superman was worried about.
I forgot which movie Superman said it in, but he commented on how he doesn’t want children to grow up thinking that killing bad guys is cool.
But even when ignoring the morality of it all, Batman killing opens a flaw in the writing as you have to justify him consistently failing to kill every villain he captures… especially the Joker who in the Snyderverse KILLED Robin.
Batman is supposed to be one thing: A Symbol of Justice
I’m going to have nightmares because of you now. I already see that version of Zach in my head
Day 1 of edging to Demigah’s videos 🤤
WTF🤣🤣
Find God.
What on earth did I just read
@@Demigah dont you mean find "GAH", eh eh eh?
ill see myself out.
I understand what he’s saying to an extent. His argument being yes he doesn’t kill but what would a world look like if he were just killing people. At the same time he’s way outta pocket lol. That’s like Harley Quinn and ending bat man oh wait …😂
0:18 not just about adopting the comic book, but also the animated movie. I got it this way: live action adapt the animation, which adapted in the comic.
having his batman kill also makes no sense when how he is fine with killing lesser criminals and spent half the movie planning to murder superman and somehow the joker is still alive, you would think that if hes gonna be going out to kill someone he thinks that poses a threat he would go after the one guy who killed his adopted son
what if Batman Came Back From Gettin Shot From Harley n Came back as a Hell Bat
Red hood, thomas wayne, batman who laughs, owlman...he have a lot of alternatives
Bojangle employees going to Popeyes for chicken is wild
Snyder hated our heroes. That's why he failed.
Zack snyder fell off even before BVS 2016(besides the where house fight)...It's a hot take but I prefer Michael Bay as a director even after his last two Transformers movies
he literally saw the dark knight returns saw the part where batman fights superman and based his entire story on that and batman didn't even get his own movie
I feel like channel pup did a great job talking about it in his video
Batkeaton kills no body panicks. Batbale kills no body panicks. Batfleck kills everyone loses their minds. You hate Zak Synder because the internet told you to hate Zak Synder. Sheep.
"thats like protecting your god, right?" the levels of deflection are absolutely bonkers
Still not as bad as what happend in suicide squad kill the franchise......But that's a low low low bar
Hey demi, love your videos man, i listen to you while playing video games, and I can't wait for the next one. :)
Like the vid as always, i do agree with you and i love synders work too. But i also think that a story can work if we go into real.s like that and we make it right. This one was a older batman losing his morals so could have being written better. But as always zack as a very different way of thinking which just makes his work his own thing.
Speaking of batman fan films , what do you think about Batman broken promise it's a short animated batman fan film roughly about 15 to 16 minutes long, it's a really good twoface story .
IF You didn't see it I highly recommend that you go check IT out right now and give me your honest opinion about when you finish watching it , I hope the best for you and God bless you.❤
Side note : you might remember me as one of the people who commented on your She-Hulk rage video , telling you “chill bro“ .
BRO, just imagine an arkham batman adaptation with ben Affleck 🔥🔥🔥
Batfleck IS Arkham Batman
@@Demigah but like, a killer version 💀
...So Arkham Batman 😂😂@@Bruno-fw6nw
@@Demigah nah dude, Arkham Batman makes you WISH he killed, he don't give the satisfaction of death to its enemies
You know, as much as everyone is focusing on Batmans morals, fans desires and so on, I want to look at it at a different angle - let's say that Batman starts killing people without second though. Ok, fine. But if that's the case... Please... Explain to me, why on Gods green earth is Joker still alive? In Snyder movies, Batman kills random goons without much thought, and I've seen the Snyder fans say stuff like "Yes, Jason Todds death was what broke Batman, it hit him hard" and so on. If Jason Todds death really hit him this hard that he forsook his morals, why then the one person that took Jason away, Joker, gets to keep his life, whilst a random no-name goons get the death penalty?
Batman killing everyone but the Joker is the bigger insult towards Jason Todd thant Batman choosing not to kill anyone. It's twisted.