Off Topic Question: With the Switch days away let's have something Nintendo themed. What's the best Nintendo Franchise? I love Mario and Pokemon equally, what about you?
I mean I took a Mythology class and we actually talked about everything from Greek Mythology and Norse Mythology to Christianity and Judaism, and ALL of them were referred to as Mythologies.
good job on trying not to insult anyone the whole video but im sorry to say youve failed. Ho-oh is clearly a legendary and not a mythical pokemon because he can be encountered during normal game play in the games. needless to say i am triggered by this BTWcould you also do a video explaining the difference between myths and legends?
Mitsuki Kazen Thank you haha. Also I don't know if holy shed was an autocorrect oh holy shit or if you meant holy shed, but it's awesome and I'm keeping it.
"In the past 10,000 years, humans have devised roughly 100,000 religions based on roughly 2,500 gods. So the only difference between myself and the believers is that I am sceptical of 2,500 gods whereas they are sceptical of 2,499 gods. We're only one God away from total agreement." - Michael Shermer
Not really true. As a Hellenic pagan, we disagree on quite a few gods. And honestly, I'm not so much "skeptical" of other gods, as much as I don't personally worship them. I have friends who are Celtic pagans, and I don't doubt the existence of their gods, but those are their gods, not mine. I don't even necessarily believe that the Abrahamic god isn't real, I'm only skeptical of the claims that he's the only one. (And it's worth noting that early worshippers likely believed in the existence of other gods as well, hence all the stuff about how you're not supposed to worship any of them.)
EpreTroll Atheism is a religion the same way bald is a hair color; it's a useful approximation for bureaucratic purposes, even if it doesn't make sense to say so in reality.
I had a friend in high school who believed in Greek mythology as a faith (he wasn't of Greek heritage). One day, we were talking about that and he said some words that forever changed how I view religion: "What's different between believing in one almighty spirit and multiple less powerful entities? The Greek pantheon, where different gods and goddesses control and clash the different elements of our lives, is much more logical and plausible to me than he existence of the Christian god. Furthermore, contrarily to almost all organized religions, Greek mythology does not claim I live in sin [he is gay]"
I feel like me and your friend would get along really well. Because even though I am an atheist, if I suddenly were to start believing in a religion, it would definitely be a polytheistic one, just because the chaotic and unperfect world we live in tells me that one almighty super perfect being can't be the creator.
Morgalucci I don't know, we' ve fallen out of touch :( but he was really rational guy so, knowing him, I'm pretty sure he believed in a metaphorical sense
The word cult from the latin cultus; meaning "Established or accepted religious rites or customs of worship; state of religious development." A cult is a particular tradition of worship or veneration of deities, ancestors, guardians, or angels. Thus Roman Catholicism, various Orthodox churches, and the various Protestant churches are all different Christian cults. Also different cultures have had different cult. For example the Greeks had many cults dedicated to various mythological heroes such as Heracles, Odysseus, and Pelops. However, in modern times the word cult has negative connotations.
That's not how it works username, I can believe that pancakes are the superior breakfast meal and that doesn't make it a Pancake religion. In addition, atheism is a lack of belief there is a higher entity such as some god, not belief there is not a God.
Your wording there is not very accurate. It is more accurate to say that atheists do not believe there is a God. This is because they do not actively believe there is no God, as your statement implies. This is my view, and you could just call this view apatheism, but it seems to be very common among other atheists.
Ahmet C. Ay but atheism is not a religion as there are no doctrines. There isn’t a single way to be an atheist. There are no masses or anyway to be an atheist. No one is an atheist in the same way as another. For instance some atheists believe that Jesus did exist but was just a normal guy, some atheists believe that Jesus was made up and never existed. Atheists are all different and have different beliefs. Calling atheism a religion is like calling someone who doesn’t play video games at all, a gamer. It’s the exact opposite of being religious.
I'm so used to my religion being called just mythology (I'm Norse Pagan) and recent Pop culture doesn't help with the fact of people calling it fake. I try not to get upset, but as said I see other religions as Myths just because I don't follow them. I respect other peoples' view on their religions, but just wish others would do the same.
Thank you for offering this perspective! I am Christian. More specifically, I'm Roman Catholic-- and also a language nerd. In my opinion, Christianity is a mythological system as valid as any other, and all its variations should be considered if we wish to understand it fully. In the same way, Norse Paganism is a religion as valid as any other, and in order to understand it better, one should learn about runic meanings and regional differences as much as about the ancient figures such as Oðin, Thør, Freƴa, Loki, etc. (forgive me for my limited knowledge. My interest is somewhat recent, and I've not found many true sources of information). Each person has reasons for their personal beliefs, which make sense to that person.
On Atheism And Agnosticism: Contrary to popular belief, atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive concepts. Atheism, (a-without, theos-god) means "the lack of a belief in a god", and simply denotes that the person does not think the statement "god exists" is true. That person may or may not think the statement to be false. Agnosticism, (a - without, gnosis - knowledge) refers to the state of not knowing whether or not the statement "a god exists" is true or false. An Agnostic Theist is a person who believes a god exists, but acknowledges it to be a belief, rather than claiming they know a god exists. Likewise, an Agnostic Atheist, is a person who does not hold the belief that a god exists, but acknowledges that they do not know that one does not. These differ from Gnostic Theists and Gnostic Atheists who claim to *know* that the statement "a god exists" is true or false respectively. Agnostic Atheism is the position toward this statement taken by the scientific community, due to the fact that there is a lack of evidence to support the claim, which gives us no insight into its truthfulness or falsity (the claim is considered undefined). At the same time, this lack of evidence makes belief in the claim unwarranted, similar to the case of any creature considered fictional, including unicorns, sasquatches, and aliens. We must remember, that any claim "entity x exists (in range a)" is a massive one, which can be read as "entity x is present at some position (in range a)". One would need to search every inch of range a to prove it false, and one would need to find one entity x to prove it true. Where the range is the universe, or in the case of gods, sometimes multiverses, the search becomes a needle in a haystack situation. Religion Agnosticism and Atheism are not directly linked to religion. A religion, as said in the video, could be defined as being an institution (group, rituals, codes of conduct etc.) founded upon one or more unsubstantiated, unproven or disproven claims (the mythology). It is the commonality of the god concept in most religions especially the well known today that creates the link, however as said Buddhism is a religion, however many, if not all followers, are simultaneously atheist and or agnostic. Atheism and Agnosticism. are not religions because there are no claims at their foundation, rather they describe a person's position on a single claim, that being "a god exists". Science It is a common misunderstanding that once you're an atheist, you "believe" in the "religion" of science. Science (scio - to know) refers to what things a group of people know about the universe. In a broader sense, one can even include the various categories of knowledge from facts, down to theories, hypothesis and beliefs, ideas or opinions which include religions (epistemology). The fundamental difference between scientific findings (facts and theories) and religious claims is proof, and subsequently, correlation to events in reality, past, present and future (accuracy). Indeed, there are persons who put faith in the scientific findings of others, without looking at the evidence themselves. In some ways, doing this may develop into a full religion, especially if science advances without those blind followers in tow.
THANK YOU for clearing that up. Upon reading your comment, I am a agnostic theist (which violates i before e except after c). Now go tell some people who believe in the flat earth(yes some people believe that the earth is flat, and yes, I say believe because any opinion is a belief until proven true) that Science is not a religion
@@chickadeestevenson5440 To some the mythos are a myth to others they may not be myths it's like that within every beliefs some one belief is a myth to some but not others.
Well I went into this not religious, but I sacrificed 3 goats to "Whatever God Wanted To Acknowledge my Mortal Existence", and got immediately struck by lightning. Zeus checks out yall
An atheist is not someone who is not religious. You can believe in a god but not be religious. That last part makes no sense, I assume you were high when you made this comment
There are a good number of Atheist who religiously try to disapprove the existence of a creator. These people who obsess over Atheism have the same characteristics of a religious guy and hence can be termed religious themselves, believing that their idea is the best.
Atheism is not a religion. It is a category of religions, like Monotheism or Polytheism. The dogma of "New Atheism" of Dawkins and Sam Harris is as religious as any other movement could be.
"If an atheist heard evolution being called a myth, they would be annoyed, but we're all allowed our own opinion". 1. Evolution has nothing to do with religious belief or opinion, it's based on over a century of research and evidence. 2. I know plenty of scientists who accept evolution who are Christian, Muslim, Atheist etc 3. I've met atheists who are as ignorant as young earth creationists when it comes to understanding biology Please don't act like evolution is comparable to mythical or religious beliefs - those things you believe in without evidence and only because you're part of the religion. There's a reason science is based on evidence and does not require you to be a particular faith.
Jack Simpson the point wasn't to compare Christianity to atheism. the point was that calling something a myth is considered offensive regardless of context.
But it was a flawed analogy. It's no different than saying 'if an atheist heard that the world was flat, they would be annoyed, but we're all allowed our own opinion'. Facts and opinions are different things.
***** that's not the analogy. It's the same as saying "if you were to call someone retarded, the mentally handicapped and a genius. It would still have a negative effect" The point was that calling someone's belief a mythology is offensive. Not whether it's a mythology or not.
Yes, but his example to illustrate the point made no sense. Saying that atheists would be offended if evolution was called a myth is silly because I know plenty of Christians, Muslims and atheists who would not be offended if you called evolution a myth but would just think you were ignorant. That's the thing I find funny about the example: you don't get emotionally invested in scientific facts like you do with religious claims. You just accept it, or you don't. If I replaced 'evolution' with any other concept like the moon landing, vaccines, etc you see why the example is flawed.
I teach parts of Genesis, for instance, in my Theories of Myth class. Also some Chinese myth, indigenous North & South American myth, Hindu myth, and several other sets of mythology that are part of currently held belief systems. So I don't see any problem with calling the stories of any religion a mythology; but then, we also spend quite a lot of the first classes discussing how myth=not true is a completely inadequate and incorrect definition. So thanks for this -- will point it out to my class!
Tanushree Kunwar “Mythology” does not mean “untrue”. The short definition is “traditional stories associated with religion” though a longer definition can take a whole course to discuss. I make no judgement at all about the historicity or truth of mythology; and I would apply the same term to Christian myth, Islamic myth, Jewish myth, and even ‘national myths’ such as the foundation stories of the United States or Canada, for instance. I’m sorry if you feel hurt, because that is not my intent in using this technical term.
Ho-oh is a mythical creature, and not just in Pokémon. A Ho-oh (which can be spelled Houou or Hōō) is a mythical bird from Japan. (They also exist in China, but over there their called Fenghuang.) In the West, they are sometimes referred to as the Asian Phoenix, but they aren't like the Western Phoenix.
I'm actually an Odinist, a Germanic pagan, and I've got no problem with my faith being referred to as a mythology, since that's what it is. Many Odinists, myself included, don't really see our religious myths as always literally true, but rather they're anthropomorphized versions of a higher truth. I do quite literally believe in my gods though. How could I not? I've had several (completely sober, mind you) spiritual experiences that prove to me their existence. I don't expect that to convince anyone else, but these experiences convinced me
Ian Booton Hello, I personally believe in the Greek Pantheon, would it be a bother to elaborate on these experiences? I've been really looking to get into the community appropriate to my beliefs lately, just trying to hold onto anyone who seems to be in the same situation as me...
Odyssey Gabon Long story short, I used to be a Catholic, and the very same day that I started drifting towards the Germanic gods, my crucifix and bible, which has been on my shelf, unmoving for years, randomly fell to the floor. The crucifix broke in half. Later that week, I was praying to Thor, asking him to reveal himself to me if he's real, and the brightest light I've ever seen flashed in front of my eyes. It was light a bolt of lightning had just flashed before me. I'd never experienced anything like it before. There's more to it but thats the basic story. Hope that helps you in some way!
Ian Booton I assure you that I speak better english than you do but I am totally unbothered to use the full vocabulary range of my vernacular whilst speaking with an unintelligible cretin who believes thor shot a bolt of lightning at him, which is idiotic considering that thor doesn't exist.
Daniel Harris I assure you that I speak English just fine. It's my native language after all. You sound like an edgy neckbeard. Have fun never getting laid. Also, I didn't say Thor shot a light night bolt in front of me. It was a metaphor for a bright light. Jeez, you're stupid.
As a person who (for most of my life) considered myself a Lutheran / Christian, I am perfectly fine calling the texts and scriptures of christianity a mythology - For me, the difference between them is that the Religion includes the culture, practices, history, and community that comes with a religion. The Mythos used as the basis for the religion is only one part of the whole. Though to be fair I do generally view my christian-mythos as more of an important parable than some biologically true history...
The Shad In my original post i said that people get violent when you tell them that their religion is untrue, the crusades was much more than just stating how true or untrue a religion is, it was territorial expansion and reclaiming what was thought to be holy. Not some who got offended by their religion being called mythology. (I don't support the crusades, just to make that clear)
As someone religious: If someone called my religion "mythology," I would be upset.... but not terribly so. If someone does not hold to my religion, it is sensible that they don't believe it, and just see it as a set of myths. That said, I try not to treat other religions that way, and if I define a religion as mythology, I generally do so because it is old and no longer actively practiced by people who can trace back the practice of belief reliably. There has never been a generation of people who have not been Jewish, or Christian or Muslim or Buddhist, or Hindu or even Zoroastrian, since the inception of the religion. Some numbers may have dwindled, but there has always been an established line of followers. Norse Mythology? Greek, or Roman? Those religions died. They stopped being practiced. Yes, some people have turned back to them, for one reason or another, but they will never gain a serious following again. They were broken. Relics of the past that we study and find fascinating, with heroes and villains and lore and majesty, but it is of the past. So, if I had to define what made a religion become a mythology? It would have to be a religion (not merely a cult), that for whatever reason went one or more generations without followers (fairly self descriptive. The children of the last generation that believed either died off, of believed something else, or nothing at all). There must be a passage of time where no one seriously takes that religion as a truth anymore. I would suggest the passage of time must be long enough that the rest of the world realizes the absence ("Hey, is it just me, or does no one in Rome worship Saturn anymore?") At this point, the stories and lore exist, and can be studied, but they are seen as myths. While people may attempt a revival later, few take it seriously. The religion died. It's just myth now. On a side note: Referring to the stories of a religion as "myths" doesn't offend me at all. There is a difference, to my mind, between someone saying "the Jesus myth," and "Christianity is a mythology." Jesus is just a story now, after all. It can not be proven. Those of us who believe the story are Christians, but those who don't aren't. While calling my faith a mythology would imply it has died, it's time gone, its relevance faded, and any truth contained within it to be moot, or supplanted, calling the Christ story a myth just means it is seen as an unprovable story from history. On a side-side note. I always find it amusing that some people are so dismissive of historical texts. Now, granted, if a story has supernatural elements, it is worth seeing it as a myth, but some things are written off entirely. The only knowledge we have of ancient times comes from ancient writing, so disparaging that writing as mere mythology seems far too dismissive. Gilgamesh for example. Some people think the story is entirely fictional, just because it has supernatural elements. Looking for proof of his existence can get you mocked and derided. Why? The man may have existed. It isn't like embellishing a story isn't a thing. Simply because we're on the subject of myths, and I find it amusing that historical texts that seem to support what is being researched as seen as valid sources, while ones that don't are often dismissed entirely as myths, I wanted to bring that up. It is as if people have forgotten the adage that most myths were founded on or around some truth.
So a mythology is a cassette tape, recorded from another cassette tape, which got it's signal from a third tape, and so on....and the thing that caused it to behave like a mythology is the drop-outs where there's no brown oxide on the ribbon...
Zander Tirabasso there is 0 evidence suggesting the bible as a whole is true. Certain passages of the bible are backed up by scientific evidence to some degree tho.
I don't believe in the Bible as being literally true, but it's still useful as a historical document though. It doesn't function as being truth in the way evolution is, but there's a lot of academically interesting stuff going on, if that makes sense.
I think a mythology is a collection of stories, and all religions contain mythology, but for a religion to be a religion it has to have followers. Myth doesn’t necessarily mean “not true”, but rather, at least in the past, it was a way of explaining the world and to talk about morality in an entertaining way. Plato thought that history wasn’t a necessary story because all that is is catagorizing the past. He felt real truth could only be got at indirectly via myth.
I'm an Atheist (who was raised Catholic) but I really enjoy Greek Mythology and Irish Legends. If you haven't read any Irish legends I highly recommend them because they're fantastic and not many people know of them outside Ireland. Oisín in Tír na nÓg, the salmon of knowledge, Cú Culhainn and The children of Lir to name a few.
I'm catholic and a they almost every other in my class is atheist, and so it happens that some say cristianity is a joke and based around of a bunch of myths. And yeah, of course, I get offended by them, but I say to my self we live in a country where we have the freedom of speach and beliefs (Germany) so I dont really care, also bc I get confronted about my religion in a daily base bc I'm the only religious in my family and I get asked a lot about cristianity from some atheist friends. (I'm sorry for my bad english)
So my mother is kinda religious but not really, I didnt saw her go to church in the past 2 years without me forcing her to go, the rest of my family isnt religious at all. And I got religious in the time I got bullied and I searched my self and my origins so I was thinking about my Italian grandmom whom I'd always see happy with a smile on the face and that she tould me she is always smiling bc praying to our lord makes her happy and vanishes all her fears so I started doing the same and yeah, I feel better than ever before.
I’m pagan, and I generally work with the Celtic gods. I see Celtic mythology as being a collection of stories (with a shit ton of different versions truly) and the gods as, well, gods.
Hellenism: The ancient Greek religion, still around Asatru: The old Norse religion, still around Kemetism: The ancient Egyptian religion, still around This is why I call NONE of these 'mythology'. Take that, Richard Dawkins!
Something that bothers me is the name "Norse mythology". I know that most of its believers were converted to christianity but there are still people who believe in this religion and it has legal status in my country so saying it's a mythology is pretty insulting.
"it is pretty Insulting" I myself believe in Norse gods but this is not so unusual because I was raised in a Norwegian household. However if I hear someone saying that calling it a mythology is insulting, I would tell them to shut the fuck up cause nobody that I know would feel insulted after all. You don't believe in it so you don't judge whether those who do feel insulted.
Still, @@OdysseyThe01, it's a good idea to call Greek mythology "Hellenism" in public when not talking about the myths. I'm a Hellenist, meaning I believe in the Greek gods (Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Athena, Ares, Demeter, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Hera, Apollo, Artemis, Hermes, and Dionysus), so I don't really mind that people call my faith a mythology. However, I'd like it if it did start to be called "Hellenism."
You know even in ancient Greece we used the word myth to describe certain things. It was mainly used by the people in order to describe a tale. Now whether they believed that tale was real or not is up for debate. For example Protagoras in one of his speeches referred to the story of Prometheus. The word he used when describing this story was "myth". In fact his actual words were " let me reply to that with a myth"
The only distinction between religion and mythology is whether there are living people who take it seriously. Other than that, they are structurally identical.
I'm a Hindu, and people call Hinduism a mythology all the time, and it doesn't bother me. Even I think of it as a mythology sometimes. I still believe in it, though. I don't really feel that calling a religion a mythology discredits it very much.
Rimsha A The difference is that in the Abrahamic religions, the text itself suggests expansile ideas. The Hindutva terror you're saying is just misuse of religion as a tool to control/manipulate/kill people. But yes, even I feel religions shouldn't exist. Let the scriptures exist as philosophy books, but worshipping & getting offended & killing in the name of it... that's just pathetic.
I don't know why people call your religion a mythology even though it's the world first and oldest religion and still going my religion is a mythology now but I Trust in the allfather that one day my faith will be remember.
in the age of alternative facts, please do not say "we're all entitled to our own opinions" when referring to scientific theory. science doesn't give a shit what your opinion is, science only deals with facts. evolution is based on hard evidence, and if the evidence says otherwise, it would be superseded with a better theory. religion generally reinterprets facts to suit their dogma, to the extent of denying reality and inventing falsehoods. religion is generally against critical thinking and relies on parents/communities indoctrinating children. emotions and "mystical" experiences drive the rest of it. none of these would be acceptable in a scientific community, and most would be absolutely abhorred. you are entitled to your own opinions, but you cannot change facts with them. and if you share shitty opinions, expect to be shit on.
Gregory Samuel Teo evolution is a theory, not a fact. it is supported by facts but it's not even the only theory, it is just a likely theory. So stop equating evolution as a fact, it's inaccurate.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory i can't believe there are still people who don't know what a scientific theory is. don't bother replying me before u read the whole article.
Gregory Samuel Teo I have read it. There is nothing wrong with evolution being a theory but for it to be a scientific fact you would have to be able to observe it repeatedly. Since you can't observe the origin of species repeatedly you can't technically call it a fact, just a very likely theory. What atheists do is play a weasel word game here. They discuss evolution with a small e (the genetic change of species over time, which is a fact) and Evolution with a big e (the origin of all life through generic changes) then say evolution (small e) is a fact! That way they can lie without actually lying. But calling something a theory instead of a fact doesn't take away from the theory. General relativity is just a theory, that doesn't take away from gravity being real.
@@ZacharyBittner In every practical sense. A theory is a predictive model that has made predictions, and those predictions have consistently been shown to be true. Just like General Relativity and Evolution. Calling a model that has real practical use which can predict natural phenomena with accuracy as factual as you can ever get. So, this who idea of evolution not being a fact is nonsensical. And this whole instance of dismissing something because no one was there to take a picture is also nonsensical. We didn't observe Pluto making a full orbit, yet we know how long it takes to make orbit. Believe it not, but you can make predictive models where if x happened, then y should be observed. You don't have to observe something that happened directly to know it happened. You just have to assume that the laws of physics are constant and analyse the natural environment to see what caused x.
Just to clear things up: agnosticism is *_not_* a middle ground between theism and atheism. It is a separate spectrum. One can be an agnostic theist (I don't know, but choose to believe) or a gnostic atheist (I know, and thus choose not to believe), for example. A/gnosticism deals with *knowledge* , a/theism deals with *belief* . You can have one without the other, both, or neither.
At Gonzaga University (a Catholic University), in a biblical studies class, we would refer to stories within the Bible as the Christian (or more generally, Abrahamic) Mythologies. It's really just a way to refer to the stories/ideas, rather than the belief system. Also, real things (celebrities, famous artists and scientists, awe-inspiring locations, historical events, etc.) can take on a mythical quality with time.
I prefer animism since worshipping natural phenomena makes more sense to me. Unfortunately, indigenous people's beliefs were destroyed by the conquistadors who imposed their foreign patriarchal religion which happens to be neither American nor European, but from the Middle East, based on a mythological book translated with thousands of errors from Hebrew into Greek, Latin, German, etc.
To be fair had the like of the Aztec empire been landing in Europe with the superior weapons and centralised states ect would they really have not done the same in reverse?
Their brother's and sisters to the North still practice traditional spiritualities. I have met a few Indigenous people in Mexico who still follow spiritualities pre-dating the Spaniards although this seems to be much less common than in Canada and the USA due to a number of factors.
FYI. The Aztecs were despised by their neighbours, whom they subjugated and drew heavy tributes from. That's why many tribes allied with the tiny Spanish army to overthrow the Aztecs.
If so, then that would include mainstream atheism aka Nietzscheanism (NOT to be confused with Ariosophy, the religion of the Nazis, or the Communist religion).
Listen, you burnt-out cigarette, I'm not talking about atheism in general, but Nietzscheanism in particular. It's obvious that cultural unawareness is the reason that you don't understand that atheism is an entire class of religions, such as Theravada Buddhism, Jainism, LaVeyan Satanism, and Raelianism. Nietzscheanism has a specific set of things said to be sacred and infallibly true (the Big Bang/Om, the earth conveniently being about ten billion years old, infinity not being infinite, a far-too-specific idea of evolutionary history based on trying to fill in the blanks of what little knowledge of preshistoric life we have, etc.) but a whole lot of denominations. If Nietzscheanism was not a religion, then neither would be Theravada, Jainism, LaVeyanism, and Raelianism. Adherents to the aforementioned atheist religions ADMIT to being religious, and yet you claim that atheism is not religious. Double standard, much? I myself am a non-mainstream atheist, despite your obvious delusions (of grandeur) to the contrary, and admittedly religious if only to fill in the blanks of knowledge about reality, which is why religion, even Nietzscheanism, even exists in the first place. I bet you think that neo-Nazi Richard Dawkins is akin to a saint.
I know I'm late but religion is broken up into 2 sections Hermatic which Buddhism might fall into And I forgot the name but the other section is basically the god and more mythos stuff. I choose to believe from a Hermatic view atheism isn't a religion cause the actual only requirement is not believing in a higher power and there are no rules or knowledge you must learn or anything else to it unlike other Hermatic views. You can argue that living your life not believing in god makes it fall into Hermatic but who cares.
Amazing job man, keep up the good work ;) Btw you forgot to mention a really interesting fictional mythology which is the Lovecraftian Mythology, just sayin'
I wouldn't care if my religion (Christianity) was called a mythology. Since people just tend to call any belief system that they don't believe in a mythology, that would be like getting mad at them for not lying and saying they are not Christian
What everyone is seeming to forget about the whole "is atheism a religion" debate, is that religion needs to have a god or gods to be a religion. Atheism has neither, so it can't be a religion. Like seriously, if you don't worship anything how could that be called religious? :/
Another thing, atheism cannot possibly be a religion. Atheism refers specifically to ones beliefs in god (or lack thereof). As you mentioned, a religion is a collection of beliefs, so how is it even a debate whether or not atheism is a religion?
64imma atheism is the ideology the there is no god and there shouldnt be no god or cteator no matter what theism is believing that there is a god , creator , flying spagetti monster whtvr so both are ideologies and have beliefs so in the name of science and logic these two are kinda religions
jason corn you're making atheism sound much more prescriptive than it actually is. Atheism is not saying "no god should exist" in the same way one might say "we should not murder". Certainly atheism and theism can accompany other beliefs, but atheism or theism does not necessarily demand other beliefs to follow. This is why I say atheism is not a religion. Being atheist does not mean you must believe certain other things. People often associate atheism with "worshipping science", though it's entirely possible to think science is bullshit and be an atheist. This is in contrast to Christianity, which prescribes that you must be a theist, that you believe in the holy trinity and that the Bible is god's word.
64imma well that christianity you are talking about is hardcore catholic pope loving stupidity which is hardly even close to the old christianity and in my opinion (and historicaly )orthodox christianity is the purest from change christianity and even jesus said that only those who wanted to would follow him and believe in him also all the stories that are unexplainable like that the world was created in 7 days and that we all came from two people ( adam and eve ) are mainly symbolic metaphors (that the world was created in 7 days is a symbolic metaphor of how everthing was made in stages and the other is symbolic of our common ansestor ) and jesus used symbolic metaphors so people who did not know jackshit could understand
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It's always been my understanding that religion refers to the overall belief system, while mythology refers more specifically to the myths themselves. So Greek mythology would be the stories about the gods, demigods and heroes and Greek religion would be the belief in all the gods and the practices and the mythology.
I'm a hellenic polytheist and I have this exactly opinion. Even in ancient times the myths weren't taken literaly, they were made for enterteniment and reflect the culture of the time.
While it may be possible to be an Atheist in a relative sense (you reject the claims of all religions except one), Atheism itself is not a religion. If you have no interest in video games and don't play them, in what sense are you part of the gaming community? In the same way, if you don't believe any religious claims and have no interest in partaking in religious practices, in what sense are you part of a religion?
Atheists have ONE thing that is found in EVERY religion...the high and mighty need to proselytize and convert others to their beliefs...which stacks the deck in favor of it having religiosity.
Brent Fisher A true Atheist has no beliefs to pass onto others, they merely reject the religious beliefs that do exist. Atheists might try to persuade people to apply skepticism and critical thinking to every part of life, including personal beliefs, but they don’t promote any actual beliefs. Religion is telling people WHAT to think, whereas the skepticism and critical thinking that Atheists favor are collectively HOW to think. Faith is the opposite of skepticism and critical thinking. Whereas a believer will hear the claims of Christianity and accept them out of faith, just because they like them, an Atheist will hear the claims of Christianity, apply the scrutiny of skepticism and critical thinking to them, and come to the thoughtful conclusion that the claims just don’t make sense.
When someone says Evolution is a myth, I simply explain that I understand what they mean, but it's technically a theory. A myth is tale of something that isn't true (or entirely true) and a theory is an idea with some credibility that hasn't been 100% proven.
And a "theory" is in fact accepted as "a truth" because it is supported by scientific testing and methodology and can be repeatedly supported with scientific research and replication of testing. Most people say "I have a theory...." when in fact they are only offering a hypothesis.
I'm a Hellenist, which means I believe in the Greek gods (Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Athena, Ares, Demeter, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Hera, Apollo, Artemis, and Hermes), and I don't give a crap about people calling my religion a mythology.
I worship the Greek gods and Greek goddesses and I am proud of it. The Greek gods helped me through my tough times throughout my adulthood. I will defend my religion at all costs.
Mary Nauta in order to make a statement that Christianity is true, you have to be able to prove yourself. Until such time, it’s not credible and lacks merit.
Unicorns are interesting creatures, some bloke went to Africa, saw a Rhinoceros 🦏, and then came back to Europe and explained to someone that he saw "an angry horse with a horn on its nose", and this became the Unicorn. In earlier myths unicorns were always portrayed as being very angry, and aggressive creatures.
I'm a Roman Catholic, and I'm relatively used to talking about and calling it "The Christian/Catholic Mythology/Christian Mythos" when discussing the story behind the beliefs in a sort of academic setting (especially if talking about it with someone of possibly different beliefs).
There is always a confusion between what is faith and what is religion. To make it simple, religion is about rituals, while faith is about beliefs. You can be religious without having faith: you can religiously take a bath, dress and go to work. You don't need faith to do that, as you don't need faith to be catholic (or at least, look like one). Faith is about believing something that cannot be proved. If your mother tells you that there is bread in the kitchen, you can have faith in her, believe her and even go to the kitchen looking for bread without really knowing if the bread will be there. It is the same with Christian or any other faith. We believe there is a God and that God has certain characteristics. Catholics even say that we will never understand everything about God but what we know (believe) is enough. In the later example, you don't know what kind of bread is in the kitchen, or how much. You just believe there is bread and maybe there is enough to eat and it is not stale. Maybe. I think that is where mythology and religion take different courses. You can think there is a slenderman but you will not avoid the kitchen because the slenderman could be there. You can believe in every Pokémon creature, but you really won't expect to see a Mewtoo around the corner. Faithful people really think God is looking for them, even if they are not religious. Religious people could believe that kneeling and standing is pleasant to God. You don't need faith or rituals to study a myth or even have fun with it. Only when you HAVE to connect to PokémonGO every day and catch every available Pokémon, myth will become a religion.
Great job man, Love your videos! This is a very philosophical question, especially because people cannot even decide on what Myth or Mythology actually is, I've read one singular work about Myth and I had enough confusion for weeks. I think you did a great job explaining it tho ^^ (also you have a soothing voice)
AimeeVignes In French "Wales" is Pays de Galles ("pays de" means "country of" and the S'es are silent), which is even closer to Gaul (Gaule) and Galicia (Galice)
Most of them a Native American words and names that have been anglicized. Few examples would be Ohio, Nebraska, Hawaii (native Hawaiian), Utah etc. If you want to know real details just search the etymology of the names.
Religion that doesn't have anyone practicing it is a Mythology, since no Christian or Hindu would allow their beliefs to be slandered as fallacy. So, with only stories of a religion's existence it becomes a myth. Although this isn't taking into account fictional universes and their myths.
I always found a "faith-based" ideology an important distinction of truth via religion vs truth via science. In religion, you don't need evidence to believe the things associated with it. It is just faith. Granted it can be argued that faith does play a role in scientific pursuits in the context of a scientist's "perseverance" or "motivation" to keep testing for a hotly debated hypothesis after one failed experiment after another (and by failed experiment, I just mean any methodologically-sound study that produced negative results). But ultimately a truth can't be established as a scientific theory or law without evidence or math supporting it. That aside, I would agree that "atheism" is a faith-based ideology similar to the "theistic" ones if the definition of atheism is based on the "faith" that a higher power does not exist. However if you are open to the possibility of the existence of a higher power, then that would place you as an "agnostic." Happy to hear if I'm getting my semantics mixed up or if you have input/opinions on that.
Edward Ramirez Faith really means belief without evidence. So science really doesn’t come under the faith category because of the vast amount of evidence there is to back science up. And everyone is an agnostic, no one KNOWS that god exists or doesn’t exist. Atheism isn’t faith, it’s lack of.
Well, almost all religion based on myth, but after many people believe on that, those myth become a Religion, if religion practice on the government and law, that religion has been "upgraded" to IDEOLOGY
it requires power would be a better term sn3192. if a mythology is a story that's less true than a legend than the bundling of that story plus followers equals a religion. when that religion gains power over people it's an ideology
Woo mythology! That's my area of expertise. You did a very good job Name Explain. There's only 1 thing I'd change. I'd argue that it isn't time that affects a turns mythology into religion (or vise versa). I'd argue that the amount of followers is what separates the two. Still a wicked good video though. I'm hoping to start my own channel soon. I don't have an videos yet but they'll come. If you are interested in mythology (and jokes) than hop over at some point soon.
The best explanation on this topic was given by a professor I heard on a podcast when discussing Norse Mythology. In it he described mythology as "stories that connect to how deities, monsters, and other supernatural entities connect with the natural world." Whereas relgion is "how people connect to the supernatrual via rituals, prayers, and build a community their in." So more or less "myth is about the orgins, and how supernatrual connect to the natrual world" and relgion" how people connect to the supernatural world" The aspect of it being true or not isnt inherit in a relgion. You can practice a relgion and not believe in all or some of the myths regarding that relgion.
Theism: Belief (based in faith) Agnosticism: Not a belief, you may have a tendency to one on another, but you understand they are personal assumptions. Atheism: Belief (based in logic) For people making a debate down there.
Agnosticism comes from the lack of understanding of the notion of the limit. Aldo the statistics allows for all the air particles in your room to suddenly go to the corner of the room leaving you without an oxygen I'm 100% sure that it won't happen. I know this because the chance of this situation is so tiny, that we can safely approximate it with zero. Also it is statistically possible that the earth gravity acceleration was exactly 2.8, not 9.81 even though we measured it with extreme precision for the last 400 years. But the probability is so tiny that we have to admit that the earth acceleration is at least about 9.
This vid touches on a distinction I've also made for years. That being that the religion is more a practice built around a mythology, as opposed to the mythology, itself. The Greeks, e.g., had a religion of their own, based upon the mythology of their pantheon of deities and heroes. But that was not the same as the mythology, itself. Christianity has a mythos, as well, with various tales built around characters whose real-life inspiration is unknown. But the religion is what people build around it, how they feel about it, how they integrate it into their lives. And for what it's worth, some forms of atheism are religious. It is, after all, a statement of a dogmatic belief, at the very least. Some people make a very interesting practice around it. However, less organized than the theistic religions...
I am a Christian and a college student. A professor once referred to a story in the Bible as "Christian mythology." I was initially incensed. I began a discussion in class that he tried to avoid but I persisted. He actually made a lot of sense in his argument. The word mythology can be understood to denote a story with a moral lesson which neither invites nor rejects belief of itself. It generally incorporates mystical elements and often follows the pattern of what Joseph Campbell called the hero's journey. The psychological impact these stories have on readers is manifest in the archetypes of Carl Jung and the identification of the reader with the progress the hero makes. The idea that mythology implies falsehood necessarily is a modern one. When Christians and Muslims discovered ancient texts, their own religious world views biased them and it was socially abnormal to accept the neutrality of the original Greek word and its essential meaning. You have stated that mythos and myth are synonymous. This is true. But what did mythos mean in original context. The oversimplification of your definition is indicative of the modern ignorance of the true etymology.
I'd say everyone is Religious. People, like you, who say you aren't Religious at all do actually have beliefs about who we are, where we came from, and how to live. This may be called a personal Philosophy or a Worldview instead of Religion, but its not that different. I don't Think Religion requires belief in a god. While I don't Think Atheism in itself is a Religion, I do see Atheistic belief systems ae, such as Secular Humanism. Oddly enough, many Militant Atheists who insist that Atheists are not Religious, such as Richard Dawkins or Bill Maher, cal Communism a Religion, regardless of it being Atheistic. I don't really Think there is a difference between Philosophy and Religion. As for Mythology, it has more than one meaning. The Greeks openly called their stories Mythology. But to them, a Myth was not a story that was not True, or even a story that may not be True, it was instead a story that transcended Historical Reality and spoke to meaning. A story could be 100% True, and verified as True by a mountain of evidence, and still be a Myth. But when Militant Atheists call Christianity a Myth, they do it to denigrate it, basically saying Christians are gullible idiots for believing in made up stories. In terms of the word, I say it depends on what you mean by it. By the way, you contrasted Christians believing in the Bible with an Atheist believing in Evolution. I know you did not say this, but this is the internet. The implication is, Atheists belive in Evolution, whilst Christians do not, they believing the Bible instead. While it is True that plenty of Christians actually do reject Evolution in favour of a belief in the Genesis Creation Account as a flat literal Truth, many Christians, including Ancient ones like Augustine Of Hippo. Many Christuans today fully accept Evolutionary Theory.
The content of this video is wonderful. However, I couldn't finish the video because the audio has a really, really bad p-pop problem. Your P's are being blown into the microphone, making it sound like a thump each time one occurs. I had to take off my headphones and double check that my upstairs neighbor wasn't jumping around. I think you might need a better pop filter for your microphone. Nevertheless, thank you for the great content!
If someone called my religion a myth, I would just have a conversation with them disuccusing why he would call it that and I would clarify anywhere it might be foggy or incorrect. Never attack or be angry though, because violence of any sort is never a solution
Arturs Pavulans Your friend is quite stupid. He is probably one of those Protestants that says “Me and my Bible.” And makes up their own ideals and laws of God and religion because he has no authority unlike the Catholic Church which has a clear doctrine and authority. Knowledge is never a sin.
Let's see the multiple definition Google gives for 'religion': the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. - Some religions don't fall into this category, rendering this an invalid definition. a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. - This is invalid too because that means anything that you greatly have interest in is a religion, which is not what a religion is. a particular system of faith and worship. - This is the most accurate, the vast majority of religions have you to worship and have faith in some particular thing. If using this, Buddhism still falls into the religion category but atheism doesn't because you don't have faith in anything to do with atheism and don't worship anything.
And also, saying atheism is a religion is like saying theism is a religion, the opposite of atheism (as apparent by the name of the word). Theism is not a religion because it doesn't fall into the category that best defines the word 'religion', to believe in a god, you aren't required to worship or have faith, you just believe in a supernatural being that created some part of the universe, whether all of it, or some part like the sea.
Off Topic Question: With the Switch days away let's have something Nintendo themed. What's the best Nintendo Franchise? I love Mario and Pokemon equally, what about you?
Name Explain I think their best franchises are Zelda and Metroid.
Pikmin probably
Name Explain Fire Emblem
Name Explain Definetely Mario or Zelda to celebrate Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild!
Name Explain Probably Pokemon, but I always have been a PC guy myself so only Nintendo i played was through emulators
I mean I took a Mythology class and we actually talked about everything from Greek Mythology and Norse Mythology to Christianity and Judaism, and ALL of them were referred to as Mythologies.
Same
Yep, learned it the hard way.
good job on trying not to insult anyone the whole video but im sorry to say youve failed. Ho-oh is clearly a legendary and not a mythical pokemon because he can be encountered during normal game play in the games. needless to say i am triggered by this
BTWcould you also do a video explaining the difference between myths and legends?
+Joshua Rodrigues Damn, I knew I should of said Jirachi instead oh Ho-oh!
+Name Explain *should have
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+Name Explain Holy shed, I should be a moron on the internet more often. Also, the video was great!
Mitsuki Kazen Thank you haha. Also I don't know if holy shed was an autocorrect oh holy shit or if you meant holy shed, but it's awesome and I'm keeping it.
Pikachu, the pet of Zeus.
and thou Zeus so loved the world he sent down his only pet to cleanse the world of evil gangs and to be the best like no one ever was
"In the past 10,000 years, humans have devised roughly 100,000 religions based on roughly 2,500 gods. So the only difference between myself and the believers is that I am sceptical of 2,500 gods whereas they are sceptical of 2,499 gods. We're only one God away from total agreement." - Michael Shermer
@@Lord_Skeptic Sceptical
@@Lord_Skeptic you should also learn that American English isn't the only one on the planet.
Not really true. As a Hellenic pagan, we disagree on quite a few gods. And honestly, I'm not so much "skeptical" of other gods, as much as I don't personally worship them. I have friends who are Celtic pagans, and I don't doubt the existence of their gods, but those are their gods, not mine. I don't even necessarily believe that the Abrahamic god isn't real, I'm only skeptical of the claims that he's the only one. (And it's worth noting that early worshippers likely believed in the existence of other gods as well, hence all the stuff about how you're not supposed to worship any of them.)
Cool quote but it forgets about Polytheism, but still a good quote
It's simple: if people get triggered by calling it "a mythology", it's a religion.
Hey, my dude, how about we _don't_ make jokes that are rooted in ableism and actively harm people with PTSD
+Midnight Harmony Get the fuck out with your SJW bullshit. "Actively harm", get a grip on reality.
Midnight Harmony Goddamn, I hope you're joking.
Malta I think she was joking 0_0
@@catimakittycat5938 trigger warnings were invented by Feminists. Are feminists ableist?
How is Atheism a religion and how is it a debate exactly?
EpreTroll Atheism is a religion the same way bald is a hair color; it's a useful approximation for bureaucratic purposes, even if it doesn't make sense to say so in reality.
Atheism is based of belief.
It's based on the rejection of others' beleif.
It's not really a belief since belief requires blind faith.
Atheism is not science though... right?
I had a friend in high school who believed in Greek mythology as a faith (he wasn't of Greek heritage). One day, we were talking about that and he said some words that forever changed how I view religion: "What's different between believing in one almighty spirit and multiple less powerful entities? The Greek pantheon, where different gods and goddesses control and clash the different elements of our lives, is much more logical and plausible to me than he existence of the Christian god. Furthermore, contrarily to almost all organized religions, Greek mythology does not claim I live in sin [he is gay]"
Jakedesnake97 The greek gods atleast have flaws...
I feel like me and your friend would get along really well. Because even though I am an atheist, if I suddenly were to start believing in a religion, it would definitely be a polytheistic one, just because the chaotic and unperfect world we live in tells me that one almighty super perfect being can't be the creator.
Jakedesnake97 Does he believe they live on a mountain and are physical, or just metaphorical?
Morgalucci I don't know, we' ve fallen out of touch :( but he was really rational guy so, knowing him, I'm pretty sure he believed in a metaphorical sense
Jakedesnake97 Very well, just curious.
At 6:28 It says "The Holy *Assassination* of Greek Ancient Religion Believers".
At 3:37 it says "Distinction Between Sacred and *Profound* Objects"
The Masked Arab
ELLINAIS sounded like a cool assasin guild's name.
I don't know but OP might not be a native english speaker, he's got that semi romanian accent
It actually means "Greeks" in greek though...that's what we call ourselves.
Andriana Roo
It does???
When can we call a religion a cult?
Voice of Reason When it's small and unpopular. Like Scientology!
The word cult from the latin cultus; meaning "Established or accepted religious rites or customs of worship; state of religious development." A cult is a particular tradition of worship or veneration of deities, ancestors, guardians, or angels. Thus Roman Catholicism, various Orthodox churches, and the various Protestant churches are all different Christian cults. Also different cultures have had different cult. For example the Greeks had many cults dedicated to various mythological heroes such as Heracles, Odysseus, and Pelops. However, in modern times the word cult has negative connotations.
Voice of Reason always
Voice of Reason
When it becomes harmful or dangerous to its followers and or everyone around them
For example, shunning, family divides and blackmail
***** Major religions engage in that kind of crap, too.
Saying atheism is a religion is like saying not having a hobby is a hobby.
Christians believe there is a God and atheists believe there is not a God. You both believe something.
Lack a belief is not a belief my friends. Huge difference.
That's not how it works username, I can believe that pancakes are the superior breakfast meal and that doesn't make it a Pancake religion.
In addition, atheism is a lack of belief there is a higher entity such as some god, not belief there is not a God.
Well, it is a religious belief. You just believe that all religions are wrong.
Your wording there is not very accurate. It is more accurate to say that atheists do not believe there is a God. This is because they do not actively believe there is no God, as your statement implies. This is my view, and you could just call this view apatheism, but it seems to be very common among other atheists.
Saying atheism is a religion is like saying that abstinence is a sexual position.
Or saying that being teetotal is a state of being drunk (negative connotations not intended)
You guys treat it like that
I wish I could like a comment twice.
Technically atheism is the doctrine of no god and you can have godless religions.
Ahmet C. Ay but atheism is not a religion as there are no doctrines. There isn’t a single way to be an atheist. There are no masses or anyway to be an atheist. No one is an atheist in the same way as another. For instance some atheists believe that Jesus did exist but was just a normal guy, some atheists believe that Jesus was made up and never existed. Atheists are all different and have different beliefs. Calling atheism a religion is like calling someone who doesn’t play video games at all, a gamer. It’s the exact opposite of being religious.
Why do Georgia(America) and Georgia(Caucasus) share the same name?
Zachary Fox because Georgia in caucasus isn't the name of the land actually, locals call it differently
Because of people called George(St George and King George). Although Georgia is called Sakartvelo in the native tongue.
I recall Name Explain having a video on this, look on his page and it should turn up. It basically says what the other two commenters here said.
in caucasus we call our land saqartvelo
Because georgia(usa) was named after king george of england and georgia(cau) uses st georges cross in their flag
I'm so used to my religion being called just mythology (I'm Norse Pagan) and recent Pop culture doesn't help with the fact of people calling it fake. I try not to get upset, but as said I see other religions as Myths just because I don't follow them. I respect other peoples' view on their religions, but just wish others would do the same.
Thank you for offering this perspective! I am Christian. More specifically, I'm Roman Catholic-- and also a language nerd. In my opinion, Christianity is a mythological system as valid as any other, and all its variations should be considered if we wish to understand it fully.
In the same way, Norse Paganism is a religion as valid as any other, and in order to understand it better, one should learn about runic meanings and regional differences as much as about the ancient figures such as Oðin, Thør, Freƴa, Loki, etc. (forgive me for my limited knowledge. My interest is somewhat recent, and I've not found many true sources of information).
Each person has reasons for their personal beliefs, which make sense to that person.
On Atheism And Agnosticism:
Contrary to popular belief, atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive concepts.
Atheism, (a-without, theos-god) means "the lack of a belief in a god", and simply denotes that the person does not think the statement "god exists" is true. That person may or may not think the statement to be false.
Agnosticism, (a - without, gnosis - knowledge) refers to the state of not knowing whether or not the statement "a god exists" is true or false.
An Agnostic Theist is a person who believes a god exists, but acknowledges it to be a belief, rather than claiming they know a god exists.
Likewise, an Agnostic Atheist, is a person who does not hold the belief that a god exists, but acknowledges that they do not know that one does not.
These differ from Gnostic Theists and Gnostic Atheists who claim to *know* that the statement "a god exists" is true or false respectively.
Agnostic Atheism is the position toward this statement taken by the scientific community, due to the fact that there is a lack of evidence to support the claim, which gives us no insight into its truthfulness or falsity (the claim is considered undefined). At the same time, this lack of evidence makes belief in the claim unwarranted, similar to the case of any creature considered fictional, including unicorns, sasquatches, and aliens.
We must remember, that any claim "entity x exists (in range a)" is a massive one, which can be read as "entity x is present at some position (in range a)". One would need to search every inch of range a to prove it false, and one would need to find one entity x to prove it true. Where the range is the universe, or in the case of gods, sometimes multiverses, the search becomes a needle in a haystack situation.
Religion
Agnosticism and Atheism are not directly linked to religion. A religion, as said in the video, could be defined as being an institution (group, rituals, codes of conduct etc.) founded upon one or more unsubstantiated, unproven or disproven claims (the mythology). It is the commonality of the god concept in most religions especially the well known today that creates the link, however as said Buddhism is a religion, however many, if not all followers, are simultaneously atheist and or agnostic.
Atheism and Agnosticism. are not religions because there are no claims at their foundation, rather they describe a person's position on a single claim, that being "a god exists".
Science
It is a common misunderstanding that once you're an atheist, you "believe" in the "religion" of science. Science (scio - to know) refers to what things a group of people know about the universe. In a broader sense, one can even include the various categories of knowledge from facts, down to theories, hypothesis and beliefs, ideas or opinions which include religions (epistemology). The fundamental difference between scientific findings (facts and theories) and religious claims is proof, and subsequently, correlation to events in reality, past, present and future (accuracy).
Indeed, there are persons who put faith in the scientific findings of others, without looking at the evidence themselves. In some ways, doing this may develop into a full religion, especially if science advances without those blind followers in tow.
you left out base agnosticism which is just holding no opinion one way or another
That's agnostic atheism. Agnosticism is _not_ a middle ground on the theism-atheism spectrum, it's on its own spectrum.
THANK YOU for clearing that up. Upon reading your comment, I am a agnostic theist (which violates i before e except after c). Now go tell some people who believe in the flat earth(yes some people believe that the earth is flat, and yes, I say believe because any opinion is a belief until proven true) that Science is not a religion
Stephen Waldron thanks for the clarification (breakdown) now go have a beer you deserve it🍺
Wow thats so long
Religion = Beliefs currently in practice
Mythology = Beliefs no longer in practice
Simple as That
And a cult is both of those *combined* .
their are still people who practice ancient european religions but yet people still call the religion a mythology.
the Mythos is myth
@@chickadeestevenson5440 To some the mythos are a myth to others they may not be myths it's like that within every beliefs some one belief is a myth to some but not others.
Well I went into this not religious, but I sacrificed 3 goats to "Whatever God Wanted To Acknowledge my Mortal Existence", and got immediately struck by lightning. Zeus checks out yall
an atheist is someone who doesnt have a religion , so how can not having a religion be a religion??
An atheist is not someone who is not religious. You can believe in a god but not be religious.
That last part makes no sense, I assume you were high when you made this comment
There are a good number of Atheist who religiously try to disapprove the existence of a creator. These people who obsess over Atheism have the same characteristics of a religious guy and hence can be termed religious themselves, believing that their idea is the best.
The universe is my god. Even though it PROBABLY doesn't have any sentience.
@@austinhernandez2716no, that's would be deist
If atheism is a religion then lying down is a sport
Atheism is not a religion. It is a category of religions, like Monotheism or Polytheism. The dogma of "New Atheism" of Dawkins and Sam Harris is as religious as any other movement could be.
Kohan Killetz No it's not.
If you say so :P
I'll have you i've been training to be an olympic ly downer my whole life
Google the "Sport of Competitive Napping". Congratulations: Darwin is your god, and Dawkins is his prophet :)
"If an atheist heard evolution being called a myth, they would be annoyed, but we're all allowed our own opinion".
1. Evolution has nothing to do with religious belief or opinion, it's based on over a century of research and evidence.
2. I know plenty of scientists who accept evolution who are Christian, Muslim, Atheist etc
3. I've met atheists who are as ignorant as young earth creationists when it comes to understanding biology
Please don't act like evolution is comparable to mythical or religious beliefs - those things you believe in without evidence and only because you're part of the religion. There's a reason science is based on evidence and does not require you to be a particular faith.
Jack Simpson the point wasn't to compare Christianity to atheism. the point was that calling something a myth is considered offensive regardless of context.
But it was a flawed analogy. It's no different than saying 'if an atheist heard that the world was flat, they would be annoyed, but we're all allowed our own opinion'. Facts and opinions are different things.
***** that's not the analogy. It's the same as saying "if you were to call someone retarded, the mentally handicapped and a genius. It would still have a negative effect" The point was that calling someone's belief a mythology is offensive. Not whether it's a mythology or not.
Yes, but his example to illustrate the point made no sense. Saying that atheists would be offended if evolution was called a myth is silly because I know plenty of Christians, Muslims and atheists who would not be offended if you called evolution a myth but would just think you were ignorant.
That's the thing I find funny about the example: you don't get emotionally invested in scientific facts like you do with religious claims. You just accept it, or you don't. If I replaced 'evolution' with any other concept like the moon landing, vaccines, etc you see why the example is flawed.
***** no, it works fine with moon landing and vaccines. You are the one emotionally invested. No one else is.
Loved the Mythbusters cameo!
I myth watching them.
I prefer "The Ghostbusters"
I teach parts of Genesis, for instance, in my Theories of Myth class. Also some Chinese myth, indigenous North & South American myth, Hindu myth, and several other sets of mythology that are part of currently held belief systems. So I don't see any problem with calling the stories of any religion a mythology; but then, we also spend quite a lot of the first classes discussing how myth=not true is a completely inadequate and incorrect definition. So thanks for this -- will point it out to my class!
Cool! Any Joseph Campbell in your lessons? He helped me get it early on when I was still a Christian.
I love Genesis. It's my favorite band 😉
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I'm a Hindu and it hurt me when you said "Hindu myth". We belive it and it is our HISTORY.
Tanushree Kunwar “Mythology” does not mean “untrue”. The short definition is “traditional stories associated with religion” though a longer definition can take a whole course to discuss. I make no judgement at all about the historicity or truth of mythology; and I would apply the same term to Christian myth, Islamic myth, Jewish myth, and even ‘national myths’ such as the foundation stories of the United States or Canada, for instance. I’m sorry if you feel hurt, because that is not my intent in using this technical term.
Ho-oh is a mythical creature, and not just in Pokémon. A Ho-oh (which can be spelled Houou or Hōō) is a mythical bird from Japan. (They also exist in China, but over there their called Fenghuang.) In the West, they are sometimes referred to as the Asian Phoenix, but they aren't like the Western Phoenix.
might be 4 years too late.....But as a fellow pokemon trainer (GOTTA CATCH EM ALL) ......HO-OH is not a mythical pokemon...its a LEGENDARY
I'm actually an Odinist, a Germanic pagan, and I've got no problem with my faith being referred to as a mythology, since that's what it is. Many Odinists, myself included, don't really see our religious myths as always literally true, but rather they're anthropomorphized versions of a higher truth. I do quite literally believe in my gods though. How could I not? I've had several (completely sober, mind you) spiritual experiences that prove to me their existence. I don't expect that to convince anyone else, but these experiences convinced me
Ian Booton Hello, I personally believe in the Greek Pantheon, would it be a bother to elaborate on these experiences? I've been really looking to get into the community appropriate to my beliefs lately, just trying to hold onto anyone who seems to be in the same situation as me...
Odyssey Gabon Long story short, I used to be a Catholic, and the very same day that I started drifting towards the Germanic gods, my crucifix and bible, which has been on my shelf, unmoving for years, randomly fell to the floor. The crucifix broke in half. Later that week, I was praying to Thor, asking him to reveal himself to me if he's real, and the brightest light I've ever seen flashed in front of my eyes. It was light a bolt of lightning had just flashed before me. I'd never experienced anything like it before.
There's more to it but thats the basic story. Hope that helps you in some way!
Ian Booton I assure you that I speak better english than you do but I am totally unbothered to use the full vocabulary range of my vernacular whilst speaking with an unintelligible cretin who believes thor shot a bolt of lightning at him, which is idiotic considering that thor doesn't exist.
Daniel Harris I assure you that I speak English just fine. It's my native language after all. You sound like an edgy neckbeard. Have fun never getting laid.
Also, I didn't say Thor shot a light night bolt in front of me. It was a metaphor for a bright light. Jeez, you're stupid.
Daniel Harris In fact, I'm sure you're an edgy neckbeard type. 3smart5me. Grow up, loser
Religion today. Mythtology tomorrow.
Makes sense.
And all pointless either way.
You can never silence the truth!
but zeus was tho
Seems like what Christianity is going to be
As a person who (for most of my life) considered myself a Lutheran / Christian, I am perfectly fine calling the texts and scriptures of christianity a mythology -
For me, the difference between them is that the Religion includes the culture, practices, history, and community that comes with a religion. The Mythos used as the basis for the religion is only one part of the whole.
Though to be fair I do generally view my christian-mythos as more of an important parable than some biologically true history...
Some people get violent if you call their religion untrue...
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EpreTroll The crusades.
The Shad the islamic rapid expansion
crusades were centuries ago, islam never progressed but christians did
The Shad In my original post i said that people get violent when you tell them that their religion is untrue, the crusades was much more than just stating how true or untrue a religion is, it was territorial expansion and reclaiming what was thought to be holy. Not some who got offended by their religion being called mythology. (I don't support the crusades, just to make that clear)
As someone religious:
If someone called my religion "mythology," I would be upset.... but not terribly so. If someone does not hold to my religion, it is sensible that they don't believe it, and just see it as a set of myths.
That said, I try not to treat other religions that way, and if I define a religion as mythology, I generally do so because it is old and no longer actively practiced by people who can trace back the practice of belief reliably.
There has never been a generation of people who have not been Jewish, or Christian or Muslim or Buddhist, or Hindu or even Zoroastrian, since the inception of the religion. Some numbers may have dwindled, but there has always been an established line of followers.
Norse Mythology? Greek, or Roman?
Those religions died. They stopped being practiced. Yes, some people have turned back to them, for one reason or another, but they will never gain a serious following again. They were broken. Relics of the past that we study and find fascinating, with heroes and villains and lore and majesty, but it is of the past.
So, if I had to define what made a religion become a mythology?
It would have to be a religion (not merely a cult), that for whatever reason went one or more generations without followers (fairly self descriptive. The children of the last generation that believed either died off, of believed something else, or nothing at all).
There must be a passage of time where no one seriously takes that religion as a truth anymore. I would suggest the passage of time must be long enough that the rest of the world realizes the absence ("Hey, is it just me, or does no one in Rome worship Saturn anymore?")
At this point, the stories and lore exist, and can be studied, but they are seen as myths. While people may attempt a revival later, few take it seriously. The religion died. It's just myth now.
On a side note: Referring to the stories of a religion as "myths" doesn't offend me at all. There is a difference, to my mind, between someone saying "the Jesus myth," and "Christianity is a mythology." Jesus is just a story now, after all. It can not be proven. Those of us who believe the story are Christians, but those who don't aren't. While calling my faith a mythology would imply it has died, it's time gone, its relevance faded, and any truth contained within it to be moot, or supplanted, calling the Christ story a myth just means it is seen as an unprovable story from history.
On a side-side note. I always find it amusing that some people are so dismissive of historical texts. Now, granted, if a story has supernatural elements, it is worth seeing it as a myth, but some things are written off entirely. The only knowledge we have of ancient times comes from ancient writing, so disparaging that writing as mere mythology seems far too dismissive. Gilgamesh for example. Some people think the story is entirely fictional, just because it has supernatural elements. Looking for proof of his existence can get you mocked and derided. Why? The man may have existed. It isn't like embellishing a story isn't a thing. Simply because we're on the subject of myths, and I find it amusing that historical texts that seem to support what is being researched as seen as valid sources, while ones that don't are often dismissed entirely as myths, I wanted to bring that up. It is as if people have forgotten the adage that most myths were founded on or around some truth.
So a mythology is a cassette tape, recorded from another cassette tape, which got it's signal from a third tape, and so on....and the thing that caused it to behave like a mythology is the drop-outs where there's no brown oxide on the ribbon...
They're literally the same, it's just that some people unironically believe in one and don't in the other
Basically yes. A religion is just a cult based on a mythology
a egdy atheist over here useing trigger words to get attion
@Parth Pokhriyal whoa you just cant let others enjoy themselfs and you have to be an asshole because you have nothing else to do tipical
The comparison between the Bible and evolution is a bit off, evolution actually has evidences...
Jasmim Bettencourt Are you saying there are zero evidences to the truthfulness of the Bible?
Jasmim Bettencourt If so you are wrong
Zander Tirabasso there is 0 evidence suggesting the bible as a whole is true. Certain passages of the bible are backed up by scientific evidence to some degree tho.
I don't believe in the Bible as being literally true, but it's still useful as a historical document though. It doesn't function as being truth in the way evolution is, but there's a lot of academically interesting stuff going on, if that makes sense.
you just made all evidenses of evolution irrelevant
You handled this topic with a lot of class and I thank you for it.
I think a mythology is a collection of stories, and all religions contain mythology, but for a religion to be a religion it has to have followers.
Myth doesn’t necessarily mean “not true”, but rather, at least in the past, it was a way of explaining the world and to talk about morality in an entertaining way. Plato thought that history wasn’t a necessary story because all that is is catagorizing the past. He felt real truth could only be got at indirectly via myth.
I'm an Atheist (who was raised Catholic) but I really enjoy Greek Mythology and Irish Legends. If you haven't read any Irish legends I highly recommend them because they're fantastic and not many people know of them outside Ireland. Oisín in Tír na nÓg, the salmon of knowledge, Cú Culhainn and The children of Lir to name a few.
I'm catholic and a they almost every other in my class is atheist, and so it happens that some say cristianity is a joke and based around of a bunch of myths. And yeah, of course, I get offended by them, but I say to my self we live in a country where we have the freedom of speach and beliefs (Germany) so I dont really care, also bc I get confronted about my religion in a daily base bc I'm the only religious in my family and I get asked a lot about cristianity from some atheist friends. (I'm sorry for my bad english)
Luc Player Same country, same situation, protestantism.
+Luc Player Interesting response. Thank you very much! :)
Can I ask just how did you become religious while your family is not ?
Just to clearify we are all ok with each other in class.
So my mother is kinda religious but not really, I didnt saw her go to church in the past 2 years without me forcing her to go, the rest of my family isnt religious at all. And I got religious in the time I got bullied and I searched my self and my origins so I was thinking about my Italian grandmom whom I'd always see happy with a smile on the face and that she tould me she is always smiling bc praying to our lord makes her happy and vanishes all her fears so I started doing the same and yeah, I feel better than ever before.
I’m pagan, and I generally work with the Celtic gods. I see Celtic mythology as being a collection of stories (with a shit ton of different versions truly) and the gods as, well, gods.
As a Hellenic pagan, I feel pretty much the same way about Greek mythology.
Man made gods in their image.
Hail Giratina The true god neither was the Flying Spaghetti Monster
*God made man in His image.
have you seen the gods around the planet? they don't look human
Imperial Crusader no we are saying men made up the existence of a god
pokemon supposedly made their god in their image?
Hellenism: The ancient Greek religion, still around
Asatru: The old Norse religion, still around
Kemetism: The ancient Egyptian religion, still around
This is why I call NONE of these 'mythology'. Take that, Richard Dawkins!
So, the adverb for someone in one of those is Hellenist (a.k.a me), Asatruist, and Kemetist. Do I have that right?
If someone called my religion a mythology, I'd call theirs mythology then copycat their reaction. Simple
Darn atheist loophole lol.
Something that bothers me is the name "Norse mythology". I know that most of its believers were converted to christianity but there are still people who believe in this religion and it has legal status in my country so saying it's a mythology is pretty insulting.
SolviKaaber Same with Greek "Myrhology", though it has not gained legal status yet, because of the orthodox church's influence...
Nobody cares
"it is pretty Insulting"
I myself believe in Norse gods but this is not so unusual because I was raised in a Norwegian household.
However if I hear someone saying that calling it a mythology is insulting, I would tell them to shut the fuck up cause nobody that I know would feel insulted after all. You don't believe in it so you don't judge whether those who do feel insulted.
Yeah, it should be called Odinism.
Still, @@OdysseyThe01, it's a good idea to call Greek mythology "Hellenism" in public when not talking about the myths.
I'm a Hellenist, meaning I believe in the Greek gods (Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Athena, Ares, Demeter, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Hera, Apollo, Artemis, Hermes, and Dionysus), so I don't really mind that people call my faith a mythology. However, I'd like it if it did start to be called "Hellenism."
You know even in ancient Greece we used the word myth to describe certain things. It was mainly used by the people in order to describe a tale. Now whether they believed that tale was real or not is up for debate. For example Protagoras in one of his speeches referred to the story of Prometheus. The word he used when describing this story was "myth". In fact his actual words were " let me reply to that with a myth"
The only distinction between religion and mythology is whether there are living people who take it seriously. Other than that, they are structurally identical.
I love Christian Mythology!
I'm a Hindu, and people call Hinduism a mythology all the time, and it doesn't bother me. Even I think of it as a mythology sometimes. I still believe in it, though. I don't really feel that calling a religion a mythology discredits it very much.
Hindus aren't NEARLY as dangerous as Christians here in the U.S. or Muslims in the middle east. They keep their beliefs to themselves, which is great.
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The difference is that in the Abrahamic religions, the text itself suggests expansile ideas. The Hindutva terror you're saying is just misuse of religion as a tool to control/manipulate/kill people.
But yes, even I feel religions shouldn't exist. Let the scriptures exist as philosophy books, but worshipping & getting offended & killing in the name of it... that's just pathetic.
@Spongepants Squarebob atheists have also killed people. What is your point?
@@Jdelli0916 Whats ur point? Atheists doesnt share any belief. they just killed people for other reasons, not for religion.
I don't know why people call your religion a mythology even though it's the world first and oldest religion and still going my religion is a mythology now but I Trust in the allfather that one day my faith will be remember.
in the age of alternative facts, please do not say "we're all entitled to our own opinions" when referring to scientific theory.
science doesn't give a shit what your opinion is, science only deals with facts. evolution is based on hard evidence, and if the evidence says otherwise, it would be superseded with a better theory.
religion generally reinterprets facts to suit their dogma, to the extent of denying reality and inventing falsehoods. religion is generally against critical thinking and relies on parents/communities indoctrinating children. emotions and "mystical" experiences drive the rest of it. none of these would be acceptable in a scientific community, and most would be absolutely abhorred.
you are entitled to your own opinions, but you cannot change facts with them. and if you share shitty opinions, expect to be shit on.
Gregory Samuel Teo evolution is a theory, not a fact. it is supported by facts but it's not even the only theory, it is just a likely theory. So stop equating evolution as a fact, it's inaccurate.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
i can't believe there are still people who don't know what a scientific theory is. don't bother replying me before u read the whole article.
Gregory Samuel Teo I have read it. There is nothing wrong with evolution being a theory but for it to be a scientific fact you would have to be able to observe it repeatedly. Since you can't observe the origin of species repeatedly you can't technically call it a fact, just a very likely theory.
What atheists do is play a weasel word game here. They discuss evolution with a small e (the genetic change of species over time, which is a fact) and Evolution with a big e (the origin of all life through generic changes) then say evolution (small e) is a fact! That way they can lie without actually lying.
But calling something a theory instead of a fact doesn't take away from the theory. General relativity is just a theory, that doesn't take away from gravity being real.
U fucking dumb ass,evulation is a theory,a theory is not a proof,neither it was ever proved
@@ZacharyBittner
In every practical sense. A theory is a predictive model that has made predictions, and those predictions have consistently been shown to be true. Just like General Relativity and Evolution. Calling a model that has real practical use which can predict natural phenomena with accuracy as factual as you can ever get. So, this who idea of evolution not being a fact is nonsensical.
And this whole instance of dismissing something because no one was there to take a picture is also nonsensical. We didn't observe Pluto making a full orbit, yet we know how long it takes to make orbit. Believe it not, but you can make predictive models where if x happened, then y should be observed. You don't have to observe something that happened directly to know it happened. You just have to assume that the laws of physics are constant and analyse the natural environment to see what caused x.
Just to clear things up: agnosticism is *_not_* a middle ground between theism and atheism. It is a separate spectrum. One can be an agnostic theist (I don't know, but choose to believe) or a gnostic atheist (I know, and thus choose not to believe), for example. A/gnosticism deals with *knowledge* , a/theism deals with *belief* . You can have one without the other, both, or neither.
At Gonzaga University (a Catholic University), in a biblical studies class, we would refer to stories within the Bible as the Christian (or more generally, Abrahamic) Mythologies. It's really just a way to refer to the stories/ideas, rather than the belief system. Also, real things (celebrities, famous artists and scientists, awe-inspiring locations, historical events, etc.) can take on a mythical quality with time.
so in the end most if not all diferences arise from religion having followers and mythology not having them any more
I prefer animism since worshipping natural phenomena makes more sense to me. Unfortunately, indigenous people's beliefs were destroyed by the conquistadors who imposed their foreign patriarchal religion which happens to be neither American nor European, but from the Middle East, based on a mythological book translated with thousands of errors from Hebrew into Greek, Latin, German, etc.
To be fair had the like of the Aztec empire been landing in Europe with the superior weapons and centralised states ect would they really have not done the same in reverse?
Their brother's and sisters to the North still practice traditional spiritualities. I have met a few Indigenous people in Mexico who still follow spiritualities pre-dating the Spaniards although this seems to be much less common than in Canada and the USA due to a number of factors.
FYI. The Aztecs were despised by their neighbours, whom they subjugated and drew heavy tributes from. That's why many tribes allied with the tiny Spanish army to overthrow the Aztecs.
What harm does Christianity cause?
@@jestertycoon700 Did Christ-Chan just accidentally stop people from eating each other? Oh...I'm so sorry....please forgive me...
All religions are mythology
If so, then that would include mainstream atheism aka Nietzscheanism (NOT to be confused with Ariosophy, the religion of the Nazis, or the Communist religion).
Listen, you burnt-out cigarette, I'm not talking about atheism in general, but Nietzscheanism in particular. It's obvious that cultural unawareness is the reason that you don't understand that atheism is an entire class of religions, such as Theravada Buddhism, Jainism, LaVeyan Satanism, and Raelianism. Nietzscheanism has a specific set of things said to be sacred and infallibly true (the Big Bang/Om, the earth conveniently being about ten billion years old, infinity not being infinite, a far-too-specific idea of evolutionary history based on trying to fill in the blanks of what little knowledge of preshistoric life we have, etc.) but a whole lot of denominations. If Nietzscheanism was not a religion, then neither would be Theravada, Jainism, LaVeyanism, and Raelianism. Adherents to the aforementioned atheist religions ADMIT to being religious, and yet you claim that atheism is not religious. Double standard, much? I myself am a non-mainstream atheist, despite your obvious delusions (of grandeur) to the contrary, and admittedly religious if only to fill in the blanks of knowledge about reality, which is why religion, even Nietzscheanism, even exists in the first place. I bet you think that neo-Nazi Richard Dawkins is akin to a saint.
One who claims to know everything is a fool. That fool is you.
Non-Nietzschean-hating, gay-hating, anti-intellectual, and disabled-hating? You're one step away from being a neo-Nazi.
I know I'm late but religion is broken up into 2 sections
Hermatic which Buddhism might fall into
And
I forgot the name but the other section is basically the god and more mythos stuff.
I choose to believe from a Hermatic view atheism isn't a religion cause the actual only requirement is not believing in a higher power and there are no rules or knowledge you must learn or anything else to it unlike other Hermatic views.
You can argue that living your life not believing in god makes it fall into Hermatic but who cares.
Amazing job man, keep up the good work ;)
Btw you forgot to mention a really interesting fictional mythology which is the Lovecraftian Mythology, just sayin'
I wouldn't care if my religion (Christianity) was called a mythology. Since people just tend to call any belief system that they don't believe in a mythology, that would be like getting mad at them for not lying and saying they are not Christian
In review =
If nobody believes in it and nobody gets offended, its a mythology, done.
There's only one true god, and that is the Flying Spaghetti Monster who will remain invisible until the day comes where he decides to return to us.
XD
aye...I agree with you, he boiled for our sins
Simple. When all people started to stop believing in some fabricated stories.
What everyone is seeming to forget about the whole "is atheism a religion" debate, is that religion needs to have a god or gods to be a religion. Atheism has neither, so it can't be a religion. Like seriously, if you don't worship anything how could that be called religious? :/
What about Buddhism? It's classified as a religion and yet there's no god or gods, yeah there's Buddha but he's not a god
Great job threading on such a sensitive issue. Really enjoying your videos. Please keep it up!
When there's no one around to object?
When there's no one around to correct your grammar?
Another thing, atheism cannot possibly be a religion. Atheism refers specifically to ones beliefs in god (or lack thereof). As you mentioned, a religion is a collection of beliefs, so how is it even a debate whether or not atheism is a religion?
64imma atheism is the ideology the there is no god and
there shouldnt be no god or cteator no matter what
theism is believing that there is a god , creator , flying spagetti monster whtvr
so both are ideologies and have beliefs
so in the name of science and logic these two are kinda religions
jason corn you're making atheism sound much more prescriptive than it actually is. Atheism is not saying "no god should exist" in the same way one might say "we should not murder". Certainly atheism and theism can accompany other beliefs, but atheism or theism does not necessarily demand other beliefs to follow. This is why I say atheism is not a religion. Being atheist does not mean you must believe certain other things. People often associate atheism with "worshipping science", though it's entirely possible to think science is bullshit and be an atheist. This is in contrast to Christianity, which prescribes that you must be a theist, that you believe in the holy trinity and that the Bible is god's word.
64imma well that christianity you are talking about is hardcore catholic pope loving stupidity which is hardly even close to the old christianity and in my opinion (and historicaly )orthodox christianity is the purest from change christianity and even jesus said that only those who wanted to would follow him and believe in him also all the stories that are unexplainable like that the world was created in 7 days and that we all came from two people ( adam and eve ) are mainly symbolic metaphors (that the world was created in 7 days is a symbolic metaphor of how everthing was made in stages and the other is symbolic of our common ansestor ) and jesus used symbolic metaphors so people who did not know jackshit could understand
"When can we call a religion a mythology", immediately.
I subbed to your channel in 2015 when you only had a few subs, but loss track of you until today. I'm glad I rediscovered you, Now there are notification buttons so I won't loose track anymore. still interesting,and brilliant.
It's always been my understanding that religion refers to the overall belief system, while mythology refers more specifically to the myths themselves.
So Greek mythology would be the stories about the gods, demigods and heroes and Greek religion would be the belief in all the gods and the practices and the mythology.
I'm a hellenic polytheist and I have this exactly opinion.
Even in ancient times the myths weren't taken literaly, they were made for enterteniment and reflect the culture of the time.
While it may be possible to be an Atheist in a relative sense (you reject the claims of all religions except one), Atheism itself is not a religion. If you have no interest in video games and don't play them, in what sense are you part of the gaming community? In the same way, if you don't believe any religious claims and have no interest in partaking in religious practices, in what sense are you part of a religion?
Atheists have ONE thing that is found in EVERY religion...the high and mighty need to proselytize and convert others to their beliefs...which stacks the deck in favor of it having religiosity.
Brent Fisher A true Atheist has no beliefs to pass onto others, they merely reject the religious beliefs that do exist. Atheists might try to persuade people to apply skepticism and critical thinking to every part of life, including personal beliefs, but they don’t promote any actual beliefs.
Religion is telling people WHAT to think, whereas the skepticism and critical thinking that Atheists favor are collectively HOW to think. Faith is the opposite of skepticism and critical thinking. Whereas a believer will hear the claims of Christianity and accept them out of faith, just because they like them, an Atheist will hear the claims of Christianity, apply the scrutiny of skepticism and critical thinking to them, and come to the thoughtful conclusion that the claims just don’t make sense.
my religion is Anglo-Saxon paganism because the gods look and sound cool
I'm a Hellenist (Greek Pagan) for slimier reasons.
When someone says Evolution is a myth, I simply explain that I understand what they mean, but it's technically a theory. A myth is tale of something that isn't true (or entirely true) and a theory is an idea with some credibility that hasn't been 100% proven.
And a "theory" is in fact accepted as "a truth" because it is supported by scientific testing and methodology and can be repeatedly supported with scientific research and replication of testing. Most people say "I have a theory...." when in fact they are only offering a hypothesis.
James Thompson m8, you don't know what a theory is, do you?
I'm a Hellenist, which means I believe in the Greek gods (Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Athena, Ares, Demeter, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Hera, Apollo, Artemis, and Hermes), and I don't give a crap about people calling my religion a mythology.
I worship the Greek gods and Greek goddesses and I am proud of it. The Greek gods helped me through my tough times throughout my adulthood. I will defend my religion at all costs.
I'm a Hellenist as well.
By the way, what do you mean by "The Greek gods helped me through my tough times throughout my adulthood"?
I'm pretty sure I heard "Profane Objects" at 3:35. No worries.
Propane and propane objects.
I guess we can solve this by all switching to Jediism
I am a devout christian. I have no problem with the Bible being referred to as a mythology. It doesn't mean it isn't true.
Mary Nauta in order to make a statement that Christianity is true, you have to be able to prove yourself. Until such time, it’s not credible and lacks merit.
Mary Nauta
Useful/helpful is better term here than "true".
Earth is 6,000 years old😂😂😂
Unicorns are interesting creatures, some bloke went to Africa, saw a Rhinoceros 🦏, and then came back to Europe and explained to someone that he saw "an angry horse with a horn on its nose", and this became the Unicorn. In earlier myths unicorns were always portrayed as being very angry, and aggressive creatures.
I'm a Roman Catholic, and I'm relatively used to talking about and calling it "The Christian/Catholic Mythology/Christian Mythos" when discussing the story behind the beliefs in a sort of academic setting (especially if talking about it with someone of possibly different beliefs).
"Why do we pray to give thanks if we did all the work"
-Darling in the Franxx
Gadiel Fradera
10/10 girl
Old religions that nobody believes anymore are called myths. Old myths that people still believe are called religions.
No mention to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
victorjre Pastafari rises!
There is always a confusion between what is faith and what is religion. To make it simple, religion is about rituals, while faith is about beliefs. You can be religious without having faith: you can religiously take a bath, dress and go to work. You don't need faith to do that, as you don't need faith to be catholic (or at least, look like one). Faith is about believing something that cannot be proved. If your mother tells you that there is bread in the kitchen, you can have faith in her, believe her and even go to the kitchen looking for bread without really knowing if the bread will be there. It is the same with Christian or any other faith. We believe there is a God and that God has certain characteristics. Catholics even say that we will never understand everything about God but what we know (believe) is enough. In the later example, you don't know what kind of bread is in the kitchen, or how much. You just believe there is bread and maybe there is enough to eat and it is not stale. Maybe. I think that is where mythology and religion take different courses. You can think there is a slenderman but you will not avoid the kitchen because the slenderman could be there. You can believe in every Pokémon creature, but you really won't expect to see a Mewtoo around the corner. Faithful people really think God is looking for them, even if they are not religious. Religious people could believe that kneeling and standing is pleasant to God. You don't need faith or rituals to study a myth or even have fun with it. Only when you HAVE to connect to PokémonGO every day and catch every available Pokémon, myth will become a religion.
Great job man, Love your videos!
This is a very philosophical question, especially because people cannot even decide on what Myth or Mythology actually is, I've read one singular work about Myth and I had enough confusion for weeks. I think you did a great job explaining it tho ^^
(also you have a soothing voice)
Greco-Roman paganism is a religion.
Greco-Roman pagans are still around.
I am roman pagan.
Could you do a video on why Cymru is called Wales?
Romans and English.
That could be a great video! Wales shares name similarities with Galicia in Spain, the Gallia (Roman France) and the region of Wallachia.
AimeeVignes In French "Wales" is Pays de Galles ("pays de" means "country of" and the S'es are silent), which is even closer to Gaul (Gaule) and Galicia (Galice)
Romans. End Prime story.
How about: Where the U.S states got their names? Or any other country, but there's a lot for the U.S.
You could easily just look that up
Midnight Harmony yeah but a video is more fun
Most of them a Native American words and names that have been anglicized. Few examples would be Ohio, Nebraska, Hawaii (native Hawaiian), Utah etc. If you want to know real details just search the etymology of the names.
People do call my religion mythology, but we just gained recognition again in Greece, and it's growing in the USA
Let me guess... you're a Hellenist, like me.
That I am thankfully
Religion that doesn't have anyone practicing it is a Mythology, since no Christian or Hindu would allow their beliefs to be slandered as fallacy. So, with only stories of a religion's existence it becomes a myth. Although this isn't taking into account fictional universes and their myths.
I always found a "faith-based" ideology an important distinction of truth via religion vs truth via science. In religion, you don't need evidence to believe the things associated with it. It is just faith. Granted it can be argued that faith does play a role in scientific pursuits in the context of a scientist's "perseverance" or "motivation" to keep testing for a hotly debated hypothesis after one failed experiment after another (and by failed experiment, I just mean any methodologically-sound study that produced negative results). But ultimately a truth can't be established as a scientific theory or law without evidence or math supporting it.
That aside, I would agree that "atheism" is a faith-based ideology similar to the "theistic" ones if the definition of atheism is based on the "faith" that a higher power does not exist. However if you are open to the possibility of the existence of a higher power, then that would place you as an "agnostic."
Happy to hear if I'm getting my semantics mixed up or if you have input/opinions on that.
Edward Ramirez Faith really means belief without evidence. So science really doesn’t come under the faith category because of the vast amount of evidence there is to back science up. And everyone is an agnostic, no one KNOWS that god exists or doesn’t exist. Atheism isn’t faith, it’s lack of.
I just don’t care enough to bother; does that make me an agnostic too?
The Abrahamic religions are based on real people in history
So are other religions so what's your point?
Well, almost all religion based on myth, but after many people believe on that, those myth become a Religion, if religion practice on the government and law, that religion has been "upgraded" to IDEOLOGY
it requires power would be a better term sn3192. if a mythology is a story that's less true than a legend than the bundling of that story plus followers equals a religion. when that religion gains power over people it's an ideology
Woo mythology! That's my area of expertise. You did a very good job Name Explain. There's only 1 thing I'd change. I'd argue that it isn't time that affects a turns mythology into religion (or vise versa). I'd argue that the amount of followers is what separates the two. Still a wicked good video though.
I'm hoping to start my own channel soon. I don't have an videos yet but they'll come. If you are interested in mythology (and jokes) than hop over at some point soon.
The best explanation on this topic was given by a professor I heard on a podcast when discussing Norse Mythology. In it he described mythology as "stories that connect to how deities, monsters, and other supernatural entities connect with the natural world." Whereas relgion is "how people connect to the supernatrual via rituals, prayers, and build a community their in." So more or less "myth is about the orgins, and how supernatrual connect to the natrual world" and relgion" how people connect to the supernatural world" The aspect of it being true or not isnt inherit in a relgion. You can practice a relgion and not believe in all or some of the myths regarding that relgion.
My Religion is Pizza!
Your god: Pizza the hut (Spaceballs).
;)
Of which sect? Personally, I am of the Saint Papa John's Pizza sect.
... Said the Teenage Mutant Ninga Turtles.
All gods are myths, but not all myths are gods.
Theism: Belief (based in faith)
Agnosticism: Not a belief, you may have a tendency to one on another, but you understand they are personal assumptions.
Atheism: Belief (based in logic)
For people making a debate down there.
Agnosticism comes from the lack of understanding of the notion of the limit. Aldo the statistics allows for all the air particles in your room to suddenly go to the corner of the room leaving you without an oxygen I'm 100% sure that it won't happen. I know this because the chance of this situation is so tiny, that we can safely approximate it with zero. Also it is statistically possible that the earth gravity acceleration was exactly 2.8, not 9.81 even though we measured it with extreme precision for the last 400 years. But the probability is so tiny that we have to admit that the earth acceleration is at least about 9.
This vid touches on a distinction I've also made for years. That being that the religion is more a practice built around a mythology, as opposed to the mythology, itself. The Greeks, e.g., had a religion of their own, based upon the mythology of their pantheon of deities and heroes. But that was not the same as the mythology, itself. Christianity has a mythos, as well, with various tales built around characters whose real-life inspiration is unknown. But the religion is what people build around it, how they feel about it, how they integrate it into their lives.
And for what it's worth, some forms of atheism are religious. It is, after all, a statement of a dogmatic belief, at the very least. Some people make a very interesting practice around it. However, less organized than the theistic religions...
I am a Christian and a college student. A professor once referred to a story in the Bible as "Christian mythology." I was initially incensed. I began a discussion in class that he tried to avoid but I persisted. He actually made a lot of sense in his argument. The word mythology can be understood to denote a story with a moral lesson which neither invites nor rejects belief of itself. It generally incorporates mystical elements and often follows the pattern of what Joseph Campbell called the hero's journey. The psychological impact these stories have on readers is manifest in the archetypes of Carl Jung and the identification of the reader with the progress the hero makes. The idea that mythology implies falsehood necessarily is a modern one. When Christians and Muslims discovered ancient texts, their own religious world views biased them and it was socially abnormal to accept the neutrality of the original Greek word and its essential meaning. You have stated that mythos and myth are synonymous. This is true. But what did mythos mean in original context. The oversimplification of your definition is indicative of the modern ignorance of the true etymology.
I'd say everyone is Religious. People, like you, who say you aren't Religious at all do actually have beliefs about who we are, where we came from, and how to live. This may be called a personal Philosophy or a Worldview instead of Religion, but its not that different. I don't Think Religion requires belief in a god. While I don't Think Atheism in itself is a Religion, I do see Atheistic belief systems ae, such as Secular Humanism. Oddly enough, many Militant Atheists who insist that Atheists are not Religious, such as Richard Dawkins or Bill Maher, cal Communism a Religion, regardless of it being Atheistic.
I don't really Think there is a difference between Philosophy and Religion.
As for Mythology, it has more than one meaning. The Greeks openly called their stories Mythology. But to them, a Myth was not a story that was not True, or even a story that may not be True, it was instead a story that transcended Historical Reality and spoke to meaning. A story could be 100% True, and verified as True by a mountain of evidence, and still be a Myth.
But when Militant Atheists call Christianity a Myth, they do it to denigrate it, basically saying Christians are gullible idiots for believing in made up stories.
In terms of the word, I say it depends on what you mean by it.
By the way, you contrasted Christians believing in the Bible with an Atheist believing in Evolution. I know you did not say this, but this is the internet. The implication is, Atheists belive in Evolution, whilst Christians do not, they believing the Bible instead. While it is True that plenty of Christians actually do reject Evolution in favour of a belief in the Genesis Creation Account as a flat literal Truth, many Christians, including Ancient ones like Augustine Of Hippo. Many Christuans today fully accept Evolutionary Theory.
I'm not religious. I'm a disciple of Jesus Christ.
To me all relifion is mythology
Gυnjα Fυry yea I agree relifion is a mythological lol
they're all mythologies
*tips fedora* m'euphoria
The content of this video is wonderful. However, I couldn't finish the video because the audio has a really, really bad p-pop problem. Your P's are being blown into the microphone, making it sound like a thump each time one occurs. I had to take off my headphones and double check that my upstairs neighbor wasn't jumping around. I think you might need a better pop filter for your microphone. Nevertheless, thank you for the great content!
If someone called my religion a myth, I would just have a conversation with them disuccusing why he would call it that and I would clarify anywhere it might be foggy or incorrect. Never attack or be angry though, because violence of any sort is never a solution
Except evolution has empirical evidence supporting it, but, you know, details.
I tried showing this video to my religious friend but he said No, because knowledge is a sin
Arturs Pavulans Your friend is quite stupid. He is probably one of those Protestants that says “Me and my Bible.” And makes up their own ideals and laws of God and religion because he has no authority unlike the Catholic Church which has a clear doctrine and authority. Knowledge is never a sin.
@@abdelrahmananbar6286 I wish to your god you are being sarcastic
Atheism is not a religion. end of debate.
How is not a religion? Cause there is no deity? But Buddhism doesn't have a deity and Buddhism is still considered a religion.
Imperial Crusader thanks for setting up a straw man and then proceed to knock it down and then proceed to act as though you made any coherent point.
Connor Duffy There wasn't a debate to begin with
Let's see the multiple definition Google gives for 'religion':
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. - Some religions don't fall into this category, rendering this an invalid definition.
a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. - This is invalid too because that means anything that you greatly have interest in is a religion, which is not what a religion is.
a particular system of faith and worship. - This is the most accurate, the vast majority of religions have you to worship and have faith in some particular thing. If using this, Buddhism still falls into the religion category but atheism doesn't because you don't have faith in anything to do with atheism and don't worship anything.
And also, saying atheism is a religion is like saying theism is a religion, the opposite of atheism (as apparent by the name of the word). Theism is not a religion because it doesn't fall into the category that best defines the word 'religion', to believe in a god, you aren't required to worship or have faith, you just believe in a supernatural being that created some part of the universe, whether all of it, or some part like the sea.
Im Hellenic, so I've grown used to my faith being called a Mythology
Me too.
Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair colour.