Bold opinion is bold, the situations you've been covering lately are terribly thin ice and you're skating around on them like an olympian. The Chris Chan incident will most likely have a 60-40 split on viewpoints, and the %60 will almost definitely read the title without watching the video, and so it goes I guess, but this is a genuinely disturbing little escapade the internet spiraled into. Most of the worst kinds of people aren't born, they're bred by circumstance to hone in on the underlying sources of their inherently negative attributes and become a much more dire case than otherwise would have been if left be, as was the case with Chris. However it comes to a point of contention when we look deeper into the past of the matter, which included multiple, very broad spectrums of derision towards a variety of peoples and lifestyles. Whether or not we decide to bring condemnation down onto the actions of the past in conjunction with the present is entirely a toss up. Now as far as what I've seen, Chris was a very troubled individual who otherwise would have been better off left alone, but after having been bred into what she/he/they were inevitably became, they are not what I would consider within the realms of any form of salvation anymore, and that's the tragedy. Even a dog, a cat, or a wild moose would reconsider biting at a porcupine after being stabbed in the face a few times, but by now those repercussions were clear even to the simplest of creatures and were blatantly ignored by the animal crafted before your eyes. Be that as it is, I wouldn't consider myself a judge, because if I did? I'd put down the sick animal before it bites again. Also I was the intro voice, just a side note. Was fun.
wrong about the 60-40 split. The indignant nature of man will definitely see many people who've studied this lulcow more thoroughly than their own family or even themselves a multitude of individuals in the comments absolving themselves of potential blame, in favor of a narrative that we were all bystanders witnessing a train wreck in motion. And while this narrative is true, multiple truths exist, including one truth being that, there was no entity in this individual's life, from the 20+ years we have documented, who was as persistent and motivated in bringing them out of that situation as those who harmed them were. Coupled with their autistic traits, because alot of aforementioned deniers think "high functioning autism" means they're normal when the "high functioning" means they don't p*ss and sh*t themselves when their alarm goes off... as far as we know atleast..., Chris Chan likely gravitated towards negativity without even recognizing these patterns because it is all they knew, and know. Positivity was far as few glimpses into their life, they never had true love, a romance, relationship outside fleeting friend groups and their parents, and they were ruthlessly targeted by a string of trolls who while we'd like to believe did not add to their hysteria, the fact their father's death drove them to effectively commit aggravated deadly assault, means that there's a grey area unaccounted for in how these events played out. Its precisely why the video talks about our influence weighed against their lack of will power, we cannot peer into infinitely realities to see what lives would've unfolded otherwise, only focus on the one we're in now, which sees an undefined grey area we ultimately don't have room to speculate on anymore because the deeds have already been committed. TL;DR this entire situation was a perfect chemistry between the best possible victim and the worst possible time to be victimized, early 2000's internet
@@MightyZOD1337 Man while your viewpoint is valid, we were right there with the lad CJ as he made this video. We’ve got a lot to do with the words he said in more ways than one, and while we can see a grey area, we think there are many things at work here that we can collectively agree on. One being that there aren’t any innocents, and two being that Chris isn’t quite so much a victim as is portrayed in the title’s wording. Even CJ agrees with that while he explores the different facets of the subject. We can’t say that you’re unfounded in your viewpoint, but some of it isn’t quite as grey as much as some people just closed their eyes.
@@MightyZOD1337 I would say that Chris was manifesting his sad reality by 25. He was attracting negativity because he was negative himself, and he craved attention... anykind. Whatever his truth was before 2008...after that he pushed away any help that came his way. People who want to help don't want to be abused in return. So say whatever you like ...and you said it so nicely...I disagree.( If you are implying that anyone could have stopped him from attracting psychopaths and sociopaths...)
In all fairness, compared to just about everything else, liquid Chris was the least harmful of most of the things ever done to Chris. The only thing harmed by the Liquid saga was Chris' ego.
Which is why Liquid is considered the best amongst them. His whole saga was hilarious, memorable but it never brought harm to Chris the way Blue Spike, Clyde Cash, Idea Guys and Bella did
Maybe. Liquid Chris struck at Chris' identity. I have no psychological expertise so I have no idea how that would impact someone with autism, but it could have been an existential threat.
@@bige2986 More of Chris' thing than an autistic thing, it was a big part of what made Liquid Chris different from other trolls just messing with him rather than harming him
I wouldn't exactly put liquid Chris on the same level as Isabella Janke, also no I don't think many people would do the same as her even if given the opportunity.
@@MentokTheMindTaker so someone that made videos acting like Chris is worse then someone who coerce him to fuck his mom? An was going to blackmail him to commit suicide?
Ever since I began learning about chris the strongest emotion I've felt for him is pity. Pity for how different and how much better he could have turned out, had he been raised properly by people equipped to deal with his condition as well as him not getting wrapped up in all of the trolling. Hes done some absolutely awful and inexcusable things, but I cannot help but feel bad after knowing why they are the way they are
@@TnT_F0X He wouldn't have been able to build a Nissan car out of LEGO any more than he could hold down a job at Wendy's. Chris likes the freedom of his own creation, not being told what to do and how to do it. Or even expecting him to come up anything under duress. That's why when his comics stopped being a creative expression and started being about fulfulling a _paid expectation,_ he started talking about being "stressed out" and thus artistically frozen and unable to produce anything. It's because he _had to do it_ after being given $1000 to produce more pages.
To be fair, it wasn't only people that tried to harm Chris, many tried to help. There were groups of people that would actively try to help Chris and the community that watched them had a general consensus to not interact or troll, even going so far as ridiculing any new trolls. The sad thing is that those that wanted to help Chris always were at a disadvantage because of Chris' upbringing and ego. Chris would always favor anyone that would act like they support their harmful beliefs and behaviors, those that wanted to see Chris do better in life would generally try to discourage them from those beliefs while those that wanted to manipulate would say all the things Chris wanted to hear.
I agree with this take. I've seen a lot of people who have NO IDEA who CWC was before this bombshell dropped jump aboard in the past couple weeks, and they all act as though the internet was just a merciless hate mob. There WERE people who actively tried to help CWC steer in a better direction, and you could tell CWC's father would have loved for the interactions with the internet to cease, too. But CWC always went back. It was like trying to tell someone they were dirty and needed to take a bath but every time you pointed them in the direction of the bathtub they turned around and headed deeper into the manure pile. I really don't see someone as a victim when others tried to help them, repeatedly, for years, and the only 'assistance' they wanted was free money from their 'fans', and coddling/attention from 'girls'.
But many did harm, irreversible harm I should say The internet fucked him, don't convince yourself from thinking the internet didn't have something to do with everything he ended up doing Chris is a sick person, and the internet only make him worse, the empathy lacks in the internet
I am glad somebody has finally said everything I have ever thought about the CWC situation. CWC was a terrible person. She was racist, sexist, and immensely homophobic from the word go. However, how much of fault is CWCs fault, and how much was influenced by the trolling efforts? CWC graduated college before the trolls found them, Christine had aspirations and goals before they interfered with them, and despite her home life being bad with his mother, friends, and peers...overall they werent a lost cause. CWC deserved better, and needed mental help, not a side circus freak show where the ringleaders changed weekly, and the only payment was fame and mental decline. I only hope she is found legally insane and forcibly gets separated from the internet and is able to get some real help away from the eyes of the public.
@@LWoodGaming Back before they became trans themselves, they viewed women as merely objects for sex and that was it; Essentially making a sign pointing out aspects they wanted in women at the time like trying to find a Pokemon. However, this was back when they were in college and it is why I said "was" and not "is"
@:::::::::::::: When did I say only the trolls were to blame? I like how you red herring anything said in my entire statement to discredit the harm the trolls did to her. You need to put yourself in the shoes of CWC during that time. Everyone she was meeting was fake, she has been tormented by everyone slamming their phones daily, emailing her daily, and escalating her mental degradation further. The "incestuous thoughts" She had probably came from when Bob passed and Barb forced her into "cuddle sessions" or else she would punish CWC. She was a grieving widow, but probably didnt realize how this would mess up their child who had been slighted by every woman online in horrific ways. The only one that doesn't directly harm them directly is the one that got "nabbed by the guy in the pickle suit" in the middle of their fake date. CWC is a victim of circumstance where both her parents weren't capable of caring for someone with a mental disability, neither was the state, neither was the church, and sure as fuck neither was the internet. Also trying to brush off what the entirety of the trolling scene's damage and actions because "there was one good one!" Is actually nonsensical in every way. And before you say it, I have tried contacting CWC before way during the beginnings because it was clear what she needed back then was just a friend or someone who truly had their best interests at heart to help them, but I couldnt probably because the amount of trolls that bombarded their phones and emails daily blocks out any genuine help somebody tried sending. Coming from a family with a handful of cases of mental illness, I can see how these things could effect CWCs mental fortitude and long term livelihood. Plus, if you actually watched this vid you would see she was manipulated to strike on their mother due to second hand intervention and egging on. Does this absolve Chris 100% from the charges? Not in the slightest, but it paints a muddier picture.
@@immewingatm Chris Chan isn't trans. He was quite literally trolled into thinking that he was a woman because he had a strange thing growing on his penis and the trolls tricked him into thinking that he was growing a vagina. He also admitted on a email that he thought being trans would help him get with lesbians as one of his "gal pals". His "trans" persona is one of his deluded personalities that he created. There's a reason why the trans community refuse to call Chris by his preferred pronouns.
I hardly pity let alone feel little sympathy for him anymore. He was indeed warned multiple times by those who actually cared about him and were concerned about his well being but he refused to listen and refused to learn his lessons.
I agree. The only time i see him as a victim is the bluespike and idea guys saga. That's just about it. I can't pity somebody that refuses to learn and being autistic at this point ain't an excuse and chris would still make those mistakes even if he wasn't autistic
I agree he’s to blame, but i see him as a victim despite not learning every time. His brain is so hardwired to ignore/fuck up social cues that i cant really see him ever learning/changing for the better. You cant ever expect to time a wild animal to go against its instincts
@@chrisg3547 Theyre a human not a wild animal lol . They should be able to function like everyone else in society does idk. Saying someone is unable to grow or learn due to patterns in the past isnt an excuse in my opinion! It just makes it sound like Chris is so incoherent/dumb they will never learn but remember the brain is neuroplastic. It can literally rewire itself as long as that person starts the process of change. I just personally feel all humans are capable of learning from mistakes but it takes that person to actually become self aware and change. Now of course other factors were playing into Chris’s life so it’s a little difficult of a topic lol
cmon, people seem to underestimate his strong autism. In his mental limitedness he is enormously manipulable and that is exactly what happened. No one in his environment has tried to help him seriously, taking into account his limitations. The few who have tried, could not deal with his high level autism. And at this point it is difficult to hold him fully responsible because he was exposed to his fellow men and society did not intervene at this point. I think he would have needed assisted living in a professional institution.
Chris Chan is a victim and a monster, people can be both. The cards were stacked against Chris from day one and I really doubt that even without the internet that Chris would have had a normal life but there were still people in his life that tried to get Chris on a better path but he refused. At the end of they day we are all products of our environment but we still have free will and our circumstances don't excuse our actions, they can explain them sure but that's about it. Anyway, great video fam interesting perspective as all ways, hope this vid blows up cause your channel is criminally underrated.
I remember a podcast mentioning that Chris Chan WAS getting help, and taking a good path at one point. This was happening just before the Liquid Chris Saga. If true. That event sealed the deal of Chris Chan EVER getting better. Which as another layer of sadness.
@@hecklejack7726 you’re just flat out wrong to say this “sealed the deal”, this is exactly what Chris needed and it’s not the end of the world. Murderers, rapists, felons and all kinds of people get out and change their lives. Not saying Chris shouldn’t fave criticism but you’re the type he should ignore, that’s pretty black and white thinking to just be like “ahh yep, guess it’s game over” that’s not how shit works
Trolls have had a massive effect on Chris's life, but I feel the underlying problem is 100% the parents. Kid obviously needed help and the environment wasn't gonna give him that.
@boheej1170 The parents and the online trolls are equally to blame. Bob & Barb are to blame for not properly raising Chris and the online trolls are to blame for Chris becoming more & more mentally ill over the course of 15+ years.
CJ you’re so underrated man. I watched another UA-camr with many subscribers recently addressing this Topic and it seems they just read the headline and jumped on the hate train without doing even a minute of research on the topic. You truly put work and give people YOUR opinions and claims in your video and don’t just make a ten minute video screaming about how fucked the situation is. And for that u are the🐐
People have tried to help him out but Chris is just chris . He was way too gone for anyone to do anything. He should have had help when he was a kid but its way too late now.
@LTrain45 45 you act as if lol cows have never used the trolls to make themselves look good it's Chris fault mostly as he never tried to get help as well as others paying for his shit and trying to help him
@@ffifi9093 He said he'd been doing it for well over a month before he ever brought it up, along with him saying some pretty risque shit in the past about dreaming about it and doing it to her C197 counterpart.
@michaelgraham9774 The hell they don't! Look. At the end of the day, we are talking about a moderately autistic person with the mental capacity of a 7-year-old who was failed spectacularly by their moronic parents, and who was driven batshit insane through being bullied, deceived, & manipulated online for over 15 years! Chris is a victim. I'm not saying that Chris has never done anything wrong, but ultimately, Chris is a victim. Chris was born to the wrong people at the wrong time. A time when their was a very limited understanding of autism among medical professionals. Also, Barbara "Barb" Chandler doesn't really have dementia. She was faking it in those videos in order to gain sympathy. She is a master manipulator. She emotionally abused her husband, Robert "Bob" Chandler, and Chris(especially Chris) for years. After Bob died, she forced Chris to give her buttocks rubs and spoon with her every night for years. She groomed Chris. If she really had dementia, she wouldn't have been allowed to be living by herself after Chris's arrest, and she wouldn't have been allowed to still be a licensed driver.
To be fair, a lot of people tried to help CWC. He just refused each time. Someone he was “dating” encouraged him to change and he refused to do any of that because it was “too much work” and he “didn’t need to”.
@@theoreomann794 Nah like physical box full of supplies, not money. The money he stole from his mother before his arrest though, he spent that shit on sex toys and weird shit according to Null.
(Just going off the title here) Idk if I can call them a victim. I mean everyone has free will and lots struggle with mental disorders and bullying/harassment but don’t end up like this. Then again everyone’s different and there’s different factors involved in everyone’s life so I ain’t gunna judge that hard lol. Can’t wait to watch the vid!!
I'm taking a risk with the title, I learned from the EDP video people are kinda dumb as shit and will spergishly vomit whatever prejudicial rhetoric they had on hand before even knowing my video existed, but I hope I articulated my ploy well enough doe
@@ArchWizardCj LOL yes people can be dumb as hell I feel you😭 You are very articulate in your videos and topics anyways, I’m excited to hear your take on it :)
Don't know if i can call him a victim given his history, but at the same time i agree especially when bella's actions of animal abuse and molesting fellow classmates came to light.
This is going to be a bit long, but please bare with me. What a lot of people fail to understand is that due to narcissistic personality disorder, and whatever mental health condition Chris has that has somehow never been diagnosed(possibly schizophrenia, schizotypal personality disorder, or one of the Cluster B personality disorders), Chris understands & perceives things very differently from people who are normal or people who are just autistic and are, unlike Chris, actually on the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum(like me), and is incapable of seeing that they have certain problems and have delusions. What to someone like me or a non-autistic person would be disgusting, indecent, or inappropriate, is not seen that way by Chris. For example, that drawing Chris made of them fingering their former friend named Megan Schroeder, and uploaded to the internet to prove to trolls that they aren't gay. Chris has a warped sense of right & wrong and is incapable of understanding that certain things are not okay to do. Plus, Chris truly has the mental capacity of a 7-year-old child, combined with the hormones & sexdrive of an adult. So, Chris can't be held to the same standards as a fully functional person. These issues combined with Chris not getting the special needs education they needed during their formative years, Chris not being taught much of importance by their parents and being sheltered by them during their formative years, and Chris's parents allowing for Chris to be "raised" by the media they consumed during their formative years, all of which having happened because of Chris's parents being idiots, and all of the relentless online trolling towards them have resulted in the person we see today. The only hope for Chris is them having consistent psychiatric treatment forced upon them. It's also worth noting that Chris has prosopagnosia(AKA face blindness)(which also was somehow never diagnosed), which means that their ability to recognize faces, including their own face, is impaired, and that Chris, at some point, developed Split Personality Disorder(AKA Dissociative Identity Disorder(DID for short)), as made evident by the "near-year-long bodyswap between Chris and Sonichu". Chris may also have phonagnosia, which is the auditory equivalent of prosopagnosia. Another thing that I feel that I should mention is that certain people with autism, including Chris, have a physical condition called hypotonia, which affects muscle tone, muscle strength, motor skills, and stamina. This, rather than Chris being overweight, is the cause of Chris getting quickly tuckered out by physical activity. It's also worth pointing out that some autists, Chris included, come off as being creeps towards women because they either have weak cognitive empathy(AKA empathic accuracy and theory-of-mind) or completely lack it(in other words, it's hard or impossible for them to metaphorically put themselves in other people's shoes), and they have difficulty with or are incapable of understanding how to get into romantic relationships and how romantic relationships work. As the UA-cam user Vanreis said, "I think this case should be studied and presented to people who have any deciding power in topics of mental health, and education in general. Autism, horrible upbringing, lonely school life, failure to learn & be taught anything about society, and then, having all that be exacerbated by people on the internet, all of which is insanely well-documented; I don't think there is a better case to show people how fucked up people can become if the entire system fails them.". As the UA-cam user K 767 said, "I think the guy just doesn't have sufficient cognitive resources to deal with his emotions and responsibilities, so, it's unreasonable to judge him as if he was just a normal guy who happened to be lazy and narcissistic. The Asperchu Saga was hilarious, but don't kid yourself. Alec was just a troll pushing the right buttons to confuse a mentally challenged man.". As the UA-cam user ARC1300 said, "I think it's just too difficult for us to compartmentalize his issues and his shortcomings to "He refused to get help. Boo-hoo! It's his fault.". Mental health is a very complicated issue for us to just simplify it like that. I get it. We're all human and we want an easy answer to everything, but that just isn't the way life works. Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating any of the shit he has done. I wouldn't even dream of it. But, it just seems lazy, arrogant, and callous to just say something like that and leave it at that.". As the UA-cam user Kay said, "What is also upsetting is when it is said that Chris has failed to grow up & become a normal person. Being on the spectrum myself, this is beyond frustrating. He can't be a normal person. This isn't a matter of him being childish and not growing up. He has autism; a developmental disorder. It's not like he's going to wake up one day and say "I think I'm going to stop being like this.". It's just unbelievable that adults are mocking a man that is literally mentally disabled, as if he is choosing to behave that way. Yes, with different & better support, he could be more productive and, maybe, make better choices. But, his brain will always work this way. The bullying, tormenting, and harassment have only made him worse.". As the UA-cam user ICryAllDayAllNight said, "It's so frustrating to see people claim Chris brought this misery all on himself. Yes, Chris is a bad person, but it's because his brain is literally incapable of carrying out the functions needed for him to be a good person(empathy, self-awareness, critical introspection, and basic critical thought). He just doesn't have the biological brain structure there to see things from other people's perspectives or to understand certain concepts. I see this whole Chris saga as being a bunch of people bullying a mentally disabled person. He needed professional help, not to be tormented for his entire adult life.". As the character Arthur Fleck said in the movie 'Joker', "The worst part about having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't." and "What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash?!". I heavily encourage you to watch these 6 videos! At the very least, you should watch the one titled 'The Tragedy of Chris Chan: An Autistic Person's Perspective'. ua-cam.com/video/5H5bVBsDrxA/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/0OGWXTYFrmM/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/VAUHuU8aUYg/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/scYj-DoEV7I/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/0g63S2yXYl0/v-deo.html, and ua-cam.com/video/e3KvwJjUrUM/v-deo.html. To learn more about prosopagnosia, watch these. ua-cam.com/video/3-MzNPcEh6M/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/XcgK_7kQUwQ/v-deo.html. Also, I don't know where the idea that Chris said they are claiming to be transgender in order to get with lesbians came from, but I haven't seen any evidence that it's true. There is potential evidence that Chris is legitimately trans. In an old email thread between Chris and PandaHalo, Chris said that they had always identified more with girls and that they wondered if they should have been born as a girl. You can find this in the CWCki article about Chris's transgenderism. However, I won't say that this is definitive proof that Chris is trans, because the points that the UA-cam user GiBi made in his video 'A Discussion About Chris Chan's Gender' and the points that the UA-cam user TheZiros made in said vid's comment section have a lot of merit. It should also be noted that Barbara "Barb" Chandler doesn't really have dementia. She was faking it in those videos in order to gain sympathy. She is a master manipulator. She emotionally abused her husband, Robert "Bob" Chandler, and Chris(especially Chris) for years. After Bob died, she forced Chris to give her buttocks rubs and spoon with her every night for years. If Barb really had dementia, she wouldn't have been allowed to be living by herself after Chris's arrest and she wouldn't have been allowed to still be a licensed driver. It should also be said that Joshua "Null" Moon's involvement with Chris, including the times that he "helped" Chris, was nothing more than him wanting to be a part of Christory. He is a vile person. He created & runs the website Kiwi Farms, the sole purpose of which is to chronicle the lives of & make fun of people who have been deemed to be "LOLcows". People on that site drove a transgender autist to commit suicide and Null didn't care. Before she killed herself, she begged Null to do something about the bullying and he refused.
Also apparently Chris Chan only swapped genders in a desperate bid to expand their option of available women by including lesbian women as well as straight women inn their love quest search pool. I dunno how factual this info is, but if it's not cap, that's an omega yikes. Way I see it, a homie said it best ; "its not that he doesn't deserve respect regarding pronouns, it’s that they’re not valid, and the delusions of someone who’s clearly mentally unstable and has been manipulated into their beliefs shouldn't be validated, if for nothing else than their own wellbeing" the things this individual has committed are atrocious but when you're just as much of a threat to yourself as those around you its not malicious more so is it just raw, unrefined volatility. This person believes they can telepathically communicate with their OCs across dimensions and has subjected themselves to bodily harm in attempts to perform gender surgery on themselves, among other various forms of self emasculation and harm. Not justifying their actions, but clearly this person is a basket case gone uninterrupted for decades.
Yea I've heard something to that effect as well. But, it doesn't matter at all. If someone were to come up to me and say their name was Ben and they would like to be referred to as such.. because the aliens from outer space told them it was their true name, the fact that that last part isn't true doesn't change that they would, in fact, like to be referred to by the name "Ben". Perhaps Ben is a terrible person, has killed multiple people, perhaps you have reason to believe they're going by the name Ben to hide from their previous identity. All of that is very important to talk about, none of it should be covered up, and yet, still, when you talk about Ben, you should call then Ben, or rather: The right to change ones name should not be dependent on meeting certain arbitrary moral standards, even moral standards that directly involve their name. But, beyond all that, whether her proclaimed gender identity is "valid" or not, whatever that means, in the alternate universe where CWC had said "I mainly identify as a man because I think identifying as a woman would harm my dating prospects." noone would be purposefully using she/her for them. Because having the traditional pronouns for your GAAB is the 'default', whereas having _nonstandard_ pronouns for one's gender assigned at birth is seen as a privilege to be granted and revoked as your gender is seen as more and less "valid". But there is no such thing as a valid gender, pronouns are just words we use as replacements for names in a sentence. There is no gender organ in the body one can point to to prove gender, nor are our immortal souls colored pink or blue. Noone's gender, 'gender identity', or preferred pronouns is any more or less a 'delusion' then anyone elses.
Yet again another masterpiece of a video. Never stop making videos my dude, you are a gem just waiting to be found by the algorithm. Very poignant message.
I love how your videos have some sense of messaging towards the culture on the internet. I feel like the internet needs more stuff like this and it gives me a little more confidence to do the same.
If a CWC movie was made, here's the proposed cast: Jesse Heiman as Chris Chan (GoDaddy commercial guy) Kathy Bates as Barbara Chan John Lithgow as Bob Chan Mindy Sterling as Mary Walsh Kira Buckland as Meagan Evan Peters as Liquid Chris Seth Rogan as Mike Snyder
Thx for making this video, this point of view isn't talked about enough. People that ruin cwc's life all hide behind "its just trolling" or "I'm just documenting" but rly they are just abusing a mentally ill person for their own entertainement.
thank you for putting into words what i've been having trouble reconciling for a while. that even the most quote-unquote "harmless" trolls were still actively detrimental to Christine's mental well-being and life. as someone who's also autistic and moderately gender-fluid, it's hard for me to feel any joy towards what these guys were doing for years on end. but at the same time, it's also difficult yet good to recognize that being the victim does not make one blameless, or even a good person. as you said, Christine's a fucking monster. also, thanks for respecting her gender identity, honestly. all trans people are valid, even the ones who are extremely fucking horrible. even gender validity does not make you a good person. so it's great to see that more people are willing to reconcile that while still being trans allies.
Yeah I watched like a 10 hour series documenting everything that happened, and I think that Chris met the tipping point to become a monster early on, but was however nudged to that point by Trolls and not caught and guided by his family. Because let's be honest if he had a loving and stable family I doubt much of this would happen. Cause even though he was guided and trick deeper and deeper into delusion, he also didn't have the character or knowhow to recognize and reject that delusion which he would have had if he had a good father
Chris had help. Many people tried to help him just *stop*. Stop feeding the trolls, stop living in the way he was, try to improve his way of life. He did not want help. He took advantage of those that tried to help him, even after all the main trolling by 4Chan. Any bit of help that was given him was thrown back in the good Samaritan's face. No amount of trolling is morally upright, but eventually, repeated poor decisions becomes self-inflicted pain. Becoming a better person is a choice. Chris actively chose *not* to, even when there were people who wanted to help him do just that. But the Bella situation has, indeed, made things more complicated. These are the actions of a sadist, and the most recent saga should be ridden to its completion before we make a final verdict on this saga.
Dude just this intro deserves a sub! So I definitely did just that!! Ps: when Chris was talking bout his Ma's gspot she actually yells at him and says "Chis!!" Idk that shows she does understand somewhat. Just a observation.... Also hes really been thru hell. He is a horrible person right now but I kinda feel bad for everything he's endured... Ppps: I just realized I'm on my man's account. Shit now I gota go sign out and sign into my account and add you! For real you're a smart man! I love it! I'm Chrissy💗💋
Best take on the issue so far. People would have PTSD if they suffered a fraction of abuse CWC had. Don't mind the downvotes, they just can't cope with what they have done.
_Worst_ take on the issue so far, especially coming from someone who obviously knew nothing about Chris Chan until this current debacle, who cram-learned about him the night before making this video and didn't even get everything right. Less than 20 minutes, half of which is just the opinion from an outsider POV, could hardly be considered "best take on the issue so far." That's hilarious. More like *_best bandwagon jumper on the issue so far._* And not even really the best because there are a thousand clueless videos just like this. You don't sound very educated on the subject at hand, either. "They just can't cope with what they have done," get off your soapbox and drop the holier-than-thou bullshit. He's quick to mention that you can give him money on cashapp, though...trying to make money off a hot topic like Chris fucking his mom while talking about morality isn't too hypocritical, is it?
@@ArchWizardCj Stop saying "we," you're being facetious. There is no "we," there's no collective. Some people were cruel, some weren't. Some people sympathized or empathized, some didn't. Some people interacted, many did not. Some people were just observers. If you're looking for blame, it takes more than a 19 minute video to figure it all out. GenoSamuel has done 60 45-minute videos on cwc and even he hasn't covered everything.
I always wondered what it cost Christine that her parents were a generation older than the parents of her peers. Her parents would have had no idea what kind of challenges are faced by kids in school today, considering they would have gone to school in the 60s, not the 80s like her peer group. Any advice they would have given her about getting along with classmates would have been four decades out of date and so much had changed in those 40 years. But still, she's a monster, for sure.
@@theoreomann794 Genetically, too, she didn't have a chance. One of the biggest correlations autism has is a wide age gap between the older dad and the younger mom, and at 40, she was dealing with more chances of issues too.
Chris Chan and his life has been documented so much (too much even) and the climax to the arc is he abused his mom, well damn that was unexpected and sad.
People who have followed him for a while or trolled him predicted this. He had feelings for his mom for a long time and this was evident in his comics and what he chose to defend.
@:::::::::::::: damnnn son. Did he write about it in his books ? Just wondering lol. Cause I did some digging today and saw nudity he drew 💀 is that about his mom or something?
Chris is like the personification of the question posed by the movie Hereditary and the tale of Oedipus Rex. Is it it more tragic if they had no free will and it was predestined or is it more tragic if they fulfilled the prophecy all on their own? Chris chans prophecy in this case being what usually happens to people with a menagerie of various mental disorders. In CWCs case his mental illnesses is at LEAST; barely functioning Autism, Schizorypal personality disorder and probably Borderline Personality Disorder not too mention all the trauma. The guy was literally gangstalked and gaslit for over a decade by a series of 30 or so notable people, probably more, with only 10 or so people genuinely trying to help. Some folks tried to gofund him after his house burned down but he berated the people who gave him money because it wasn't enough to replace what was lost. He has done shit like this all the time. Not that it justifies what happened to Chris but the wntire reason he started getting trolls was because he tried to take down a site that was talking about his comic book. Also where is this "we" coming from. I doubt anyone in this comment section was involved with trying to troll Chris lol. Chris made the choice as did the horrible people who trolled him. All i did was read the cwcwiki every few years
We won't learn a damn thing, but that Bella girl is one of many. I wish we band together against bad faith actors more and not drive innocent people to suicide. We're all responsible for this...I'm in tears That said I liked your take more than I thought I would
Yeah, I've heard so much crazy stuff, some of it sounds made up. But then I look at someone like Chris, and if it wasn't all documented, I wouldn't believe that either.
Elliot Rodger was half British, half Malaysian. And he *hated* other Asians with a hellatious vengeance, all the moreso if he saw they were more successful with the ladies than him. If this girl really has been filming herself boiling hamsters alive, the white supremacy angle is really one of the more banal and unremarkable things about her.
Idk if its true but I could see it being true. So many people are self loathing...hate parts of themselves. They see white supremacy as this counter culture group, desperate to belong to something that's different, edgy, makes them feel superior. It seems like she would do anything to shock or get attention out of other people. When really she's just another lolcow. Apparently her mommy and daddy didn't give her enough attention.
When you think about it… No matter what his parents decided for him… it would have ended poorly. His parents not getting him any special help resulted in the ending we’re seeing now. His parents getting him special help would have ended in Chris being placed in an insane asylum because in the 80’s and 90’s, they threw autistic people into an insane asylum. Where some go to die Idk
Doubtful imo. Chris is autistic but he pretty high functioning. Much of his problems come from experiences then anything else. I've known much older people with a more debilitating form of autism some even needing to hospitalized for physical problems like ripping muscles by accident, and are far more functional people because they received help. He needed treatment which his family confirmed not believing in at all, he needed teachers that could help not literally traumatize him which to even a person without any mental disorders would probably end up close to him. He needs a mental facility now from a combination of the internet, his parents, and the system at large. His autism isn't why he is like this, it definitely contributed to it, but living the way he did would have driven most people to a similar level.
Honestly every new vid u make is a new milestone. Always loved your content since the old FH days years ago, and you only keep reinforcing that. Good shit, Mr CJ!
Incredibly saddened about this saga Everything I’ve ever known about cwc has been “oh my god he needed a brother” or just, something to ground him his parents couldn’t understand the internet, and he couldn’t with the tools provided, handle the internet It became his link, and it’s been taken advantage of in such a surreal way, like, what do you do when normally someone will kick back from you kicking their shins under the table, but instead freak out and smoosh their dinner up in their hands while yelling At first it’s wild and sort of exciting, maybe gives some power, then the sad interest starts to just see what happens if you do this or that. It’s like a fucked unregulated experiment
Feeling sorry or pity for Chris Chan is a wasted emotion. He doesn't care about you unless he can sleep with you. Chris chan is looking out for number one. Saying that he is victim of circumstance is just a copout. He is 39 years old. He refuses help. We can play the blame game all day. But really we only have one person to blame and that is Chris Chan. This cow is almost out of milk. Better get in on it while it is relevant.
Morality is not subjective. Morality can be calculated by math, the calculus is messy, and can often only be calculated after centuries, but it can be calculated nonetheless. Our morality can be calculated by the human suffering the inflict or alleviate. And moral relativism leads us down a path which inflicts more suffering.
Morality is absolutely subjective we have never in any point in history held the same set of core morals even post Christianity. There is no calculative rhythm
@@ArchWizardCj Some things are morally grey, while others are universally condemned cross culture. No, not everyone is going to act like Bella if given the opportunity. I have no interest in boiling my hamsters alive. Torturing animals for fun is one of those few traits that defines sociopaths.
@@HamHamHampster her sadistic tendencies are culturally condemned and as a result across our society deems them as deplorable acts. In china they boil dogs alive and kill animals for a myriad of purposes
@@ArchWizardCj ... Again, I have to fall back on human suffering. The weighting might be different, our opinions on the weighting might change over time, and by person. But there is a weighting non the less... Imagine a world in which we blinded every 3rd child. Objectively, a worse world to live in. Objectively, morally repugnant. Many of those blinded would go onto become amazing musicians, or philosophers and would claim their fortune for being blinded. 2/3rds would be grateful for their sight, and so would be happier for it. And yet... You're left either advocating for a world in which we blind every third child, or admitting there is at least some gradient of a moral calculus that can be performed.
@@hwwwarrior90 that is not an objective standard which you referenced , merely a comparison to what you perceive as the global standard now. Should it have already been the norm that 1 in every 3 children are born blind , we would live in a world more accommodating of that notion. You proposing a hypothetical and , further more, assuming that human suffering is in itself morally ireprehensable when life itself is impossible to void of suffering no matter the quality of life , is precisely why this fallacy gets tossed around so gingerly. Human suffering is a benchmark for our desire to pursue a higher quality of life , but human suffering will persist regardless the quality of life. Its why in our 1st world modern age, mental illness and mass shootings see a staggering uptick despite this being the most peaceful period in human history. We are bred around suffering and conflict , which is why I reaffirm that morality is subjective, what we deem objective is just a truth agreed upon by the majority in this current cycle of suffering. That truth has changed multiple times , through multiple periods , and will continue to change. It is not constant , and suffering is not a form of evil, it is a form of punishment
I dont feel bad for this creep, if you cant dig yourself out of your own problems. Should others waste their emotions on you? Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
Dude chris didnt work at the Gameplace. He played pokemon TCG there. People TRIED TO HELP HIM. There are people whe genuinely tried to help, not everyone was a troll or hater, some people watched to try to help. You cannot FORCE someone into getting psichiatric help. Chris IGNORED all those people. His PARENTS fought against getting help long before chris was known about online. Stop acting like the whole world sat back and laughed while chris was mocked by the world. Thats not how it was and chris was already horribly messesd up before he got online because of his parents and actively ignored genuine psiatric help.
This is how I feel Etika's situation went down as well. In that case, Etika who was going through a rough mental situation with his mortality whilst also posting outlandish stuff online (live streaming getting arrested). Through this, morality being subjective comes into play a lot because of Etika's ultimate demise. Him committing suicide was heartbreaking for many and it is extremely sad to know that he is no longer with us. We can only grieve for him, but in the end feeling sad for instigating his final choice won't bring him back. It was his personal choice that he took upon himself. Should we have done better? Of course. It is too late now, but since we are here, we should strive to improve society to prevent this from happening again. We aren't good people from the get go, we'll learn through this along obstacles in life and I am certain whatever morals we have today will evolve or change overtime. Life is painstaking for everyone, in one way or another because it genuinely feels like its only happening to you! Who's to say we're not one bad day away from doing something considerably heinous in the world. And who is there to help us when we mess up the morality game? Who would be there to instigate us further on this heinous path? Would we truly know if we're not surrounded by what keeps us at peace? Or do we enjoy this shit cause it is our peace? On some corny shit, can all sins be forgiven? The fact that we choose to be good or do good things is special because others won't see it that way through perspective and circumstance. How we've striven so far into society is a testament to that. We're all still collectively growing and learning along the way. Don't give up cause you messed up. See it in a different light, stick by to those who are there for you. In all seriousness, we're all in this together. Etika may be gone, but those who are around to know him keep him alive by promoting what he loved. Joycon Boyz Forever!
I appreciate the thoughtfulness you put into this video. You were so close to understanding the truth of the situation, but right as you were reaching for this "truth", you fell into the event horizon of the blackhole known as hubris. There is one problem with your argument of personal responsibility. In order for anyone to reach that stage, they have to reach the age of discernment. This is why children are handled differently in the criminal justice system. Chris has not reached that age and may never reach it. This situation is no different than someone convincing a child to do these things. "Forgive them Father, for they know not, what they do."
Thanks for this perspective.- I can imagine that to some level that Chris might have known this was wrong but didn't understand how wrong since so many acts are on some levels spoken about as wrong in "polite company" but she might thing people do things like this in private, since people have been messing with her mind for almost two decades. Chris Chan allegedly has the mental state of a 10 year old and she has a very tenuous grasp on reality. She hasn't had much school and has been viciously trolled for 20 years which has distorted her understanding on what acceptable behavior is. Meanwhile this girl who seems to really get a lot of enjoyment out of hurting people has allegedly been manipulation Chris for over a year. They have been suffering from severe neglect and money is so tight but apparently this girl has also been stealing from the Chandlers as well. I think it's hard to understand that Chris has been victimised and that her personal responsibility might not be as severe as that of a predator. Not defending the actions but I don't think this could have happened in other circumstances. Hopefully Barbara will get the help she needs, maybe go in a nice aged care facility and I hope Chris gets top care whatever their state provides.
Honestly well thought out. People put onto certain circumstances will yield predictable results, such as children born in abusive households are more likely to become abusers later on in life. People think that a person's actions are independent from their upbringing and environment and experiences. Im not saying that Chris had no say in what she did but the constant harrasment and psychotic behavior from the internet towards her deffifinetly had an affect. Honestly she should be a ward of the state from now on because i dont think she can function as an adult. Shame. If the circumstances of her upbringing were different. She couldve been a better person.
To the unknowning, Chris Chan has a history of failing to self improve and get out of self pity. He has a history of acting out and blaming his autism, he deserves 0 sympathy.
What are your thoughts on this abyss of a hole? How do you feel about Chris Chan's very existence? They feel almost surreal, like the worse possible outcome for every single decision they've ever made has landed in this sole timeline, almost like an inevitable variable that must fill a percentile, of less than 1% individuals who define the absolute lowest forms of human existence. They were set up for failure off jump imo. Also feel free to donate to cashapp $ArchWizard I have a twitter too : @ArchebaldTheWiz
A victim of circumstance eh? I can kinda agree with that. Had the world left Chris-Chan be, not documented their life and had trolled them consistently day in and day out, there is a possibility that the series of videos of this particular individual acting out in public and recording themselves saying some strange and way outta left field stuff wouldn't exist. However comma... ...the saga where we are at now with the whole moms thing? I dunno man, that could've just gone on in the background, you know? That old lady could still be gettin abused and the world would of kept on turning in silence. This a tough ass call, but at the same time, never before in MY LIFE have I wished for brain bleach
Hey bro, I like the vid. But morality isn’t subjective. It’s not simply opinion, I don’t think it takes much to point out how royally fucked up people are as a species, that’s called knowing right and wrong. But in the sense of societies standards yeah, then their morality is subjective, but only since those clowns only live for the right now moment haha video funny at other persons expense.
The kiwi farms guy try to help him...after chronicling his life lol.. but... setting him up to do commissions and be set up once his mother died... But Chris preferred Bella. And lied and manipulated Chris. Chris was a narcissist..and he preferred his fictional world.
@:::::::::::::: and no one is discounting that. However, you're absolutely in the wrong to try to argue that the situation wasn't exasperated by trolls literally doing everything they can to mess with Chris-Chan for internet fame. No one is saying Chris-Chan is absolutely innocent of wrongdoing. What IS being said is that there were forces at work that threw gasoline on an already burning dumpster fire. Pull your finger out of your ass.
@@Michael-bv9go But.....it totally *is* a subjective, shapeless, constantly evolving and devolving concept. I mean about 100 years ago the US government prohibited alcohol, and modern Christians gotta carefully cherry pick bits and pieces of the Bible they can get behind because of how frequently that disaster book contradicts itself. I can't even say I believe in karma, even if it would appear this is one of the rare and powerfully impactful occasions where it seems to be working as designed. No, this is just cause and effect being put on full blast for a wretch that was never able to properly conceptualize the consequences of their actions. Chris Chan had trolls, but his enablers may have done just as much harm, if not more so. As for how I feel about what part I 'played' in this as a bystander.....well fuck, how *should* I feel? I'm no more responsible for that manchild's actions than I am for Chernobyl going hot. It's funny that Rome got mentioned during this video, because even though society is admittedly constantly shaping itself to do better unto itself, it also has a side bubbling just beneath the surface that relishes when someone gets finished off in the gladiatorial arena. This was one such occasion, except since chris Chan is still alive and in one piece, the shit show will inevitably resume once he's no longer behind bars. Hell, this is just going to be a repeat of that one lolcow that got dementia or something, except that one was actually a genius programmer. I don't see anyone crying tears over that lost soul. Y'know what, I'd like to revise an earlier statement: It's not about whether morality is subjective or not, so much as whether morality isn't simply just as much a delusion as Christopher's happy little made-up dictatorship of CWCville.
Yah know CJ, I made a comment some weeks ago asking to make fun of some niggas for content. Thanks for telling me to chill bruv. I don’t think I really had this spectrum of morality laid out in front of me prior. So thanks so the perspective huncho first and foremost. Tbh this shit abhorrent however end you cut it. But too much of anything is a bad thing, and in this case dudes memed too hard. Niggas memed so hard that a whole psycho synopsis film came of it. Flabbergasted is the word.
Chris'story is very unfortunate. Even though he was manupulated to do those terrible acts, that doesn't mean he's excused for all his crimes. The damage was allready have been done. Hopefully when he gets out of prison, he will finally learn all his mistakes and move on as a better man
Dude asked the judge if he can go home and get some of his personal belongings. Youre lying to yourself if you think he isn't a 7yr old in a 40 yr old man's body
The other day I heard what I felt was a magnificent explaination as to why the Sonic fandom (and other franchises/products aimed at pre teens trying to find themselves or "be cool") produce so many "weird" people. Being aimed at people in such an important part of their physical and cognitive development, those who endlessly cling to said franchise even when they are way past the target age and demand said franchise evolve and deal with adult themes for example, it's because they themselves failed at maturing and leaving that thing behind, just to be a nostalgic memory from a different time of your life. Basically it's no fault of the franchise/fandom itself, but people who fail to mature and move to other things, asking the product they love to evolve and change cause they couldn't do it in real life. Basically man childs to afraid to leave the thing they based their personality around behind 😂
Great video :) I have no doubt in my mind that Chris is a monster, what he did was absolutely disgusting, but I have agree with you that he also is a victim… hear me out 😅 (a victim of bad parenting and years of online bullying) people can be both, and what saddens me the most is that he probably could’ve turned out just fine if he had been raised properly, or was given the help he needed as a child. I’m sorry but I just can’t help but feel a tiny bit of pity for the man… Of course at the end of the day he’s still responsible for his own actions, he never learns, and no matter how he was raised, or if he blames his disability, it’s not an excuse. It’s understandable sure, but not an excuse. That being said, I don’t think Chris should rot in prison, that won’t fix anything and its not what he needs, I think he should to be put into a mental institution so he can improve. I’d rather him get better than brutally die in prison, because let’s be honest here, he won’t survive a week.
Kiwi farms josh moon was helping Christine sell sonichu products in order to fund a plane ticket to a convention they wanted to attend. (Literally right before this happened) Many people tried to help Christine, ex. Trying to get him to get a job. Chris pushed aside all people trying to help in order to play out their fantasies.
Great video CJ, I mostly agree with all of your sentiments here but I do somewhat object to two things: -While yes I do think the internet played a huge part in fucking up Chris mentally even more than he already was, its not like there werent people who actively tried to help him, especially post Bob's death where the trolling grinded mostly to a complete halt and anyone who tried to troll him for some bit of fame were actively shit and vilified by the majority of the community of orbiters/"christorians". It wasnt something where no one tried to intervene and I at least feel like you didn't make much of an attempt to point that out (granted idk how deep into researching the topic you went and I dont blame you for not wanting to go too far into the shithole). This isn't to take away from how fucked up it is that so many people did troll him and so many people including myself sat there as bystanders watching all of this go on but it is to say that not ALL of his online interactions directly negatively effected him. I truly believe that even without the trolling, Chris would have ended up doing something extremely fucked up eventually since his parents were very much neglectful in dealing with his mental health and enabled alot of his poor behavior anyway. -I disagree with the main difference between alot of the trolls and Isabella Loretta Janke being opportunity. For the most part, the trolls weren't going into their interactions with Chris with the mindset of trying to harm him, not to delegitimize the damage they did for jokes but most went in with the thought process of "hey lets all get a kick out of fucking with the autistic weird kid" vs Bella whose main objective was to try and get Chris to kill himself. The only other trolls at least I can think of who went in with the express intent to harm Chris were Bluespike and The Idea Guys group. That said all of the trolling of this mentally handicapped individual is fucked up to varying degrees, but there is a difference much bigger than opportunity at least in my own opinion. Sorry for being as fucking longwinded as I am here, I still very much enjoyed the video and think you did a much better job than most covering the subject, you didnt just fly in here with no context or research before talking about this subject matter and I very much appreciate that. Great video and I hope you continue to post great content like this in the future!
I left this comment in another thread, so don't take its hostility as if directed towards this comment, but the sentiment still stands ; why are we holding an impressionable child like aut*st who clearly has far more unannounced mental disorders from their horrendous upbringing and parental background to the same standard as you or me? The audacity to say something as absurd as "people offered help, they refused" as if they can even tell the fucking difference anymore is laughable. Yes, what they did was horrendous, yes, they need to be detained, yes, at this point locking them away in a cell is the only palpable solution, but the indignant stance I see so many of you taking on what you've essentially reduced to a circus animal then questioning why their mind is so warped to begin with is so, so, so utterly typical of absolving yourself the social responsibility of acknowledging the hand you played in all of this, which proves my point in the video to begin with. -Acknowledge we failed as a collective. -Do better. Its simple dawg.
Just because Chris Chan has autism, doesn't mean that he has to do those disgusting things & the lady who recorded the call is equally as disgusting as him.
Chris chan needed many things. But he often gave into what he wanted. From what i can tell, or see, even if chris got some of the things he needed, he would’ve found a way to somehow fuck things up. Perhaps his autism. His ego? So much irony surrounds chris that i have to ask myself if he’s just always destined to be this living greek tragedy, chris is a monster, a monster the Internet made. But then again, even before the Internet chris was still curse-ye-ha-me-ha’ing people. And believing he was talking with his characters. Though the Internet itself was the detonator of all that ego stored inside. Chris takes ideas and runs with it, no matter how many times people break it to him chris believes himself to be doing the right thing or to be justified in what he does. Even if idea guy, in the middle of all that shit he was pulling, went “hey, haha i lied” chris would’ve still ran with the idea. Chris would still believe himself to be a god. I feel like the true merge, is that at the end of everything. Every thread, every single story, chris would’ve learned nothing. Like a Saturday morning cartoon it’d all reset, and everything would be the same as usual, same story. Same idea. Same mentality. Unless the show ends. Or is canceled. When chris gets out, if ever, i feel as if he’d regress into old habits. He’s built a kingdom of his own ego, if he accepts reality, it’d all crumble down. It’d break him.
There were people through Chris' life on the Internet that attempted to help, from "gal pals" that managed to get into contact, to people in real life like her former church's pastor. But Chris was so far gone at that point that it was no use - they showed no more ability to change. You can't say _nobody_ went out to help Chris and only wanted to bully her, because that isn't true. So many people tried to no avail.
I just hope Chris and barb gets the help they need dispite Chris as a person and Barb as a person.. if not then atleast Chris will be out of the trolls reach for sometime
Chris Chan is the reason I hate trolls. Yes, Chris is a monster and needs to be locked up. But the trolls did have a hand in making Chris the way he is. The fact that some people call themselves Chrisstorians is just cringe. Also no I’m not gonna call them by “correct pronouns” because Chris only became trans to “date lesbians”
No he is not a victim. The victim is in some hospital because the person she trusts most in the world deceived her and crossed a line that no one should cross even with a gun to his head he shouldn’t of done what he did and their is no defense for it. I’m sure people will defend him because they want to stand out and get attention off Chris, it’s been happening for all his adult life already and will continue to happen. He isn’t a victim he does it to himself he doesn’t have to be on the internet he chooses to be so he can get his toys
To be fair they were countless times were both concerned trolls and onlookers did their best to convince Christian that he needs to get off the internet for his own Mental Health
Bold opinion is bold, the situations you've been covering lately are terribly thin ice and you're skating around on them like an olympian.
The Chris Chan incident will most likely have a 60-40 split on viewpoints, and the %60 will almost definitely read the title without watching the video, and so it goes I guess, but this is a genuinely disturbing little escapade the internet spiraled into.
Most of the worst kinds of people aren't born, they're bred by circumstance to hone in on the underlying sources of their inherently negative attributes and become a much more dire case than otherwise would have been if left be, as was the case with Chris.
However it comes to a point of contention when we look deeper into the past of the matter, which included multiple, very broad spectrums of derision towards a variety of peoples and lifestyles. Whether or not we decide to bring condemnation down onto the actions of the past in conjunction with the present is entirely a toss up.
Now as far as what I've seen, Chris was a very troubled individual who otherwise would have been better off left alone, but after having been bred into what she/he/they were inevitably became, they are not what I would consider within the realms of any form of salvation anymore, and that's the tragedy.
Even a dog, a cat, or a wild moose would reconsider biting at a porcupine after being stabbed in the face a few times, but by now those repercussions were clear even to the simplest of creatures and were blatantly ignored by the animal crafted before your eyes.
Be that as it is, I wouldn't consider myself a judge, because if I did?
I'd put down the sick animal before it bites again.
Also I was the intro voice, just a side note. Was fun.
Thank you for this!
wrong about the 60-40 split. The indignant nature of man will definitely see many people who've studied this lulcow more thoroughly than their own family or even themselves a multitude of individuals in the comments absolving themselves of potential blame, in favor of a narrative that we were all bystanders witnessing a train wreck in motion. And while this narrative is true, multiple truths exist, including one truth being that, there was no entity in this individual's life, from the 20+ years we have documented, who was as persistent and motivated in bringing them out of that situation as those who harmed them were. Coupled with their autistic traits, because alot of aforementioned deniers think "high functioning autism" means they're normal when the "high functioning" means they don't p*ss and sh*t themselves when their alarm goes off... as far as we know atleast..., Chris Chan likely gravitated towards negativity without even recognizing these patterns because it is all they knew, and know. Positivity was far as few glimpses into their life, they never had true love, a romance, relationship outside fleeting friend groups and their parents, and they were ruthlessly targeted by a string of trolls who while we'd like to believe did not add to their hysteria, the fact their father's death drove them to effectively commit aggravated deadly assault, means that there's a grey area unaccounted for in how these events played out. Its precisely why the video talks about our influence weighed against their lack of will power, we cannot peer into infinitely realities to see what lives would've unfolded otherwise, only focus on the one we're in now, which sees an undefined grey area we ultimately don't have room to speculate on anymore because the deeds have already been committed.
TL;DR this entire situation was a perfect chemistry between the best possible victim and the worst possible time to be victimized, early 2000's internet
@@MightyZOD1337 Man while your viewpoint is valid, we were right there with the lad CJ as he made this video. We’ve got a lot to do with the words he said in more ways than one, and while we can see a grey area, we think there are many things at work here that we can collectively agree on. One being that there aren’t any innocents, and two being that Chris isn’t quite so much a victim as is portrayed in the title’s wording. Even CJ agrees with that while he explores the different facets of the subject. We can’t say that you’re unfounded in your viewpoint, but some of it isn’t quite as grey as much as some people just closed their eyes.
@@MightyZOD1337 there were worst things on encyclopediadramatica in the past, just even the sysops had some refrain
@@MightyZOD1337 I would say that Chris was manifesting his sad reality by 25. He was attracting negativity because he was negative himself, and he craved attention... anykind. Whatever his truth was before 2008...after that he pushed away any help that came his way. People who want to help don't want to be abused in return. So say whatever you like ...and you said it so nicely...I disagree.( If you are implying that anyone could have stopped him from attracting psychopaths and sociopaths...)
In all fairness, compared to just about everything else, liquid Chris was the least harmful of most of the things ever done to Chris. The only thing harmed by the Liquid saga was Chris' ego.
Which is why Liquid is considered the best amongst them. His whole saga was hilarious, memorable but it never brought harm to Chris the way Blue Spike, Clyde Cash, Idea Guys and Bella did
Liquid Chris just saw a harmless opportunity to poke fun at Chris and never took things too far, he was pretty smart
I thought the Man in the Pickle Suit was super funny too.
Maybe. Liquid Chris struck at Chris' identity. I have no psychological expertise so I have no idea how that would impact someone with autism, but it could have been an existential threat.
@@bige2986 More of Chris' thing than an autistic thing, it was a big part of what made Liquid Chris different from other trolls just messing with him rather than harming him
I wouldn't exactly put liquid Chris on the same level as Isabella Janke, also no I don't think many people would do the same as her even if given the opportunity.
@@MentokTheMindTaker how is liquid worse?
@@MentokTheMindTaker so someone that made videos acting like Chris is worse then someone who coerce him to fuck his mom? An was going to blackmail him to commit suicide?
@@ohh1065 bro did you actually read the sentence the guy wrote? he said you cannot compare liquid to her
@@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037 bro did you actually read who I replied to? The other dude deleted his comment
@@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037 it takes you a literal second to see I didn’t reply to Brian
Ever since I began learning about chris the strongest emotion I've felt for him is pity. Pity for how different and how much better he could have turned out, had he been raised properly by people equipped to deal with his condition as well as him not getting wrapped up in all of the trolling. Hes done some absolutely awful and inexcusable things, but I cannot help but feel bad after knowing why they are the way they are
He'd probably be a lego building champion hired by Nissan to build their newest car out of legos.
Would be heaven for him, infinite legos
I mean he'd still be a weirdo, but at least a productive member of society
@@notices_demons I disagree completely
@@notices_demons Are you seriously boasting about studying a "piece of shit"?
@@TnT_F0X He wouldn't have been able to build a Nissan car out of LEGO any more than he could hold down a job at Wendy's. Chris likes the freedom of his own creation, not being told what to do and how to do it. Or even expecting him to come up anything under duress. That's why when his comics stopped being a creative expression and started being about fulfulling a _paid expectation,_ he started talking about being "stressed out" and thus artistically frozen and unable to produce anything. It's because he _had to do it_ after being given $1000 to produce more pages.
To be fair, it wasn't only people that tried to harm Chris, many tried to help. There were groups of people that would actively try to help Chris and the community that watched them had a general consensus to not interact or troll, even going so far as ridiculing any new trolls.
The sad thing is that those that wanted to help Chris always were at a disadvantage because of Chris' upbringing and ego. Chris would always favor anyone that would act like they support their harmful beliefs and behaviors, those that wanted to see Chris do better in life would generally try to discourage them from those beliefs while those that wanted to manipulate would say all the things Chris wanted to hear.
@@len2207 If you say so, that has barely anything too do with Chris.
I agree with this take. I've seen a lot of people who have NO IDEA who CWC was before this bombshell dropped jump aboard in the past couple weeks, and they all act as though the internet was just a merciless hate mob. There WERE people who actively tried to help CWC steer in a better direction, and you could tell CWC's father would have loved for the interactions with the internet to cease, too. But CWC always went back. It was like trying to tell someone they were dirty and needed to take a bath but every time you pointed them in the direction of the bathtub they turned around and headed deeper into the manure pile. I really don't see someone as a victim when others tried to help them, repeatedly, for years, and the only 'assistance' they wanted was free money from their 'fans', and coddling/attention from 'girls'.
But many did harm, irreversible harm I should say
The internet fucked him, don't convince yourself from thinking the internet didn't have something to do with everything he ended up doing
Chris is a sick person, and the internet only make him worse, the empathy lacks in the internet
I am glad somebody has finally said everything I have ever thought about the CWC situation. CWC was a terrible person. She was racist, sexist, and immensely homophobic from the word go. However, how much of fault is CWCs fault, and how much was influenced by the trolling efforts? CWC graduated college before the trolls found them, Christine had aspirations and goals before they interfered with them, and despite her home life being bad with his mother, friends, and peers...overall they werent a lost cause. CWC deserved better, and needed mental help, not a side circus freak show where the ringleaders changed weekly, and the only payment was fame and mental decline. I only hope she is found legally insane and forcibly gets separated from the internet and is able to get some real help away from the eyes of the public.
sexist? that kind ironic being a sexist and wanting to be woman.
@@LWoodGaming Back before they became trans themselves, they viewed women as merely objects for sex and that was it; Essentially making a sign pointing out aspects they wanted in women at the time like trying to find a Pokemon. However, this was back when they were in college and it is why I said "was" and not "is"
@:::::::::::::: When did I say only the trolls were to blame? I like how you red herring anything said in my entire statement to discredit the harm the trolls did to her. You need to put yourself in the shoes of CWC during that time. Everyone she was meeting was fake, she has been tormented by everyone slamming their phones daily, emailing her daily, and escalating her mental degradation further.
The "incestuous thoughts" She had probably came from when Bob passed and Barb forced her into "cuddle sessions" or else she would punish CWC. She was a grieving widow, but probably didnt realize how this would mess up their child who had been slighted by every woman online in horrific ways. The only one that doesn't directly harm them directly is the one that got "nabbed by the guy in the pickle suit" in the middle of their fake date. CWC is a victim of circumstance where both her parents weren't capable of caring for someone with a mental disability, neither was the state, neither was the church, and sure as fuck neither was the internet. Also trying to brush off what the entirety of the trolling scene's damage and actions because "there was one good one!" Is actually nonsensical in every way.
And before you say it, I have tried contacting CWC before way during the beginnings because it was clear what she needed back then was just a friend or someone who truly had their best interests at heart to help them, but I couldnt probably because the amount of trolls that bombarded their phones and emails daily blocks out any genuine help somebody tried sending. Coming from a family with a handful of cases of mental illness, I can see how these things could effect CWCs mental fortitude and long term livelihood. Plus, if you actually watched this vid you would see she was manipulated to strike on their mother due to second hand intervention and egging on. Does this absolve Chris 100% from the charges? Not in the slightest, but it paints a muddier picture.
@@immewingatm Chris Chan isn't trans. He was quite literally trolled into thinking that he was a woman because he had a strange thing growing on his penis and the trolls tricked him into thinking that he was growing a vagina. He also admitted on a email that he thought being trans would help him get with lesbians as one of his "gal pals". His "trans" persona is one of his deluded personalities that he created. There's a reason why the trans community refuse to call Chris by his preferred pronouns.
@@vashythewabbit8288 Listen I dont want to be banned on UA-cam my guy so I wont misgender her
Honestly never really heard of Chris until this whole situation, what a first Impression
Same.
Fr
Same like holy shit...
@:::::::::::::: how's it going Isabella
@:::::::::::::: You are right but this is mainstream now and people who should never know who Chris is are aware of a small part of the situation.
I hardly pity let alone feel little sympathy for him anymore. He was indeed warned multiple times by those who actually cared about him and were concerned about his well being but he refused to listen and refused to learn his lessons.
I agree. The only time i see him as a victim is the bluespike and idea guys saga. That's just about it. I can't pity somebody that refuses to learn and being autistic at this point ain't an excuse and chris would still make those mistakes even if he wasn't autistic
I agree he’s to blame, but i see him as a victim despite not learning every time. His brain is so hardwired to ignore/fuck up social cues that i cant really see him ever learning/changing for the better.
You cant ever expect to time a wild animal to go against its instincts
@@chrisg3547 Theyre a human not a wild animal lol . They should be able to function like everyone else in society does idk. Saying someone is unable to grow or learn due to patterns in the past isnt an excuse in my opinion! It just makes it sound like Chris is so incoherent/dumb they will never learn but remember the brain is neuroplastic. It can literally rewire itself as long as that person starts the process of change. I just personally feel all humans are capable of learning from mistakes but it takes that person to actually become self aware and change. Now of course other factors were playing into Chris’s life so it’s a little difficult of a topic lol
cmon, people seem to underestimate his strong autism. In his mental limitedness he is enormously manipulable and that is exactly what happened. No one in his environment has tried to help him seriously, taking into account his limitations. The few who have tried, could not deal with his high level autism. And at this point it is difficult to hold him fully responsible because he was exposed to his fellow men and society did not intervene at this point. I think he would have needed assisted living in a professional institution.
@@len2207 like yours
Chris Chan is a victim and a monster, people can be both. The cards were stacked against Chris from day one and I really doubt that even without the internet that Chris would have had a normal life but there were still people in his life that tried to get Chris on a better path but he refused. At the end of they day we are all products of our environment but we still have free will and our circumstances don't excuse our actions, they can explain them sure but that's about it. Anyway, great video fam interesting perspective as all ways, hope this vid blows up cause your channel is criminally underrated.
I remember a podcast mentioning that Chris Chan WAS getting help, and taking a good path at one point.
This was happening just before the Liquid Chris Saga. If true.
That event sealed the deal of Chris Chan EVER getting better. Which as another layer of sadness.
Same, with Bella no doubt. She could have easily been on the same site with the likes of Snakething?
@@len2207 you definitely are a tool.
Not the sharpest tool in the box as well.
@@hecklejack7726 you’re just flat out wrong to say this “sealed the deal”, this is exactly what Chris needed and it’s not the end of the world. Murderers, rapists, felons and all kinds of people get out and change their lives. Not saying Chris shouldn’t fave criticism but you’re the type he should ignore, that’s pretty black and white thinking to just be like “ahh yep, guess it’s game over” that’s not how shit works
Thought provoking and very insightful. Well done CJ.
Trolls have had a massive effect on Chris's life, but I feel the underlying problem is 100% the parents. Kid obviously needed help and the environment wasn't gonna give him that.
@boheej1170
The parents and the online trolls are equally to blame. Bob & Barb are to blame for not properly raising Chris and the online trolls are to blame for Chris becoming more & more mentally ill over the course of 15+ years.
CJ you’re so underrated man. I watched another UA-camr with many subscribers recently addressing this Topic and it seems they just read the headline and jumped on the hate train without doing even a minute of research on the topic. You truly put work and give people YOUR opinions and claims in your video and don’t just make a ten minute video screaming about how fucked the situation is. And for that u are the🐐
People have tried to help him out but Chris is just chris . He was way too gone for anyone to do anything. He should have had help when he was a kid but its way too late now.
He just shouldn't have been allowed on the internet. It is the root of all his worst problems. Bob should have cut it down permanently...
@LTrain45 45 you act as if lol cows have never used the trolls to make themselves look good it's Chris fault mostly as he never tried to get help as well as others paying for his shit and trying to help him
It’s not too late though, that’s a pretty dumb mindset
@@jesuschrist3165 👏
@@bruhboi7935 🤦♂️ Chris is incapable of grasping that they need help.
People have done wrong by Chris but he's done plenty of wrong on his own to make him a completely reprehensible person. He doesn't deserve much pity
Hell, the trolls certainly didn't influence him to rape his mother.
@@SirBlackReeds Most likely they did.
@@ffifi9093 He said he'd been doing it for well over a month before he ever brought it up, along with him saying some pretty risque shit in the past about dreaming about it and doing it to her C197 counterpart.
@michaelgraham9774
The hell they don't! Look. At the end of the day, we are talking about a moderately autistic person with the mental capacity of a 7-year-old who was failed spectacularly by their moronic parents, and who was driven batshit insane through being bullied, deceived, & manipulated online for over 15 years! Chris is a victim. I'm not saying that Chris has never done anything wrong, but ultimately, Chris is a victim. Chris was born to the wrong people at the wrong time. A time when their was a very limited understanding of autism among medical professionals. Also, Barbara "Barb" Chandler doesn't really have dementia. She was faking it in those videos in order to gain sympathy. She is a master manipulator. She emotionally abused her husband, Robert "Bob" Chandler, and Chris(especially Chris) for years. After Bob died, she forced Chris to give her buttocks rubs and spoon with her every night for years. She groomed Chris. If she really had dementia, she wouldn't have been allowed to be living by herself after Chris's arrest, and she wouldn't have been allowed to still be a licensed driver.
To be fair, a lot of people tried to help CWC. He just refused each time. Someone he was “dating” encouraged him to change and he refused to do any of that because it was “too much work” and he “didn’t need to”.
There's also been a few times where he entered into short periods of productivity but that failed, either by him or barb's gaslighting
CWCForums actually sent him over $900 worth of supplies after his house burned down as well.
@@sensationalmedia9505 and he spent that on toys lmao
@@theoreomann794 Nah like physical box full of supplies, not money. The money he stole from his mother before his arrest though, he spent that shit on sex toys and weird shit according to Null.
@@sensationalmedia9505 Ohhh that makes sense thanks for clarifying!
(Just going off the title here) Idk if I can call them a victim. I mean everyone has free will and lots struggle with mental disorders and bullying/harassment but don’t end up like this. Then again everyone’s different and there’s different factors involved in everyone’s life so I ain’t gunna judge that hard lol. Can’t wait to watch the vid!!
I'm taking a risk with the title, I learned from the EDP video people are kinda dumb as shit and will spergishly vomit whatever prejudicial rhetoric they had on hand before even knowing my video existed, but I hope I articulated my ploy well enough doe
@@ArchWizardCj LOL yes people can be dumb as hell I feel you😭 You are very articulate in your videos and topics anyways, I’m excited to hear your take on it :)
@Yes r/im14andthisisdeep
@Yes Even the evidence against still says we can say "no" to impulses, but chris planned this.
@:::::::::::::: stop spamming this dogshit comment please, and thank you
Don't know if i can call him a victim given his history, but at the same time i agree especially when bella's actions of animal abuse and molesting fellow classmates came to light.
Just woke up and got my coffee. I'm already enjoying the video when i'm just one minute into the video. Big ups CJ.
This is going to be a bit long, but please bare with me. What a lot of people fail to understand is that due to narcissistic personality disorder, and whatever mental health condition Chris has that has somehow never been diagnosed(possibly schizophrenia, schizotypal personality disorder, or one of the Cluster B personality disorders), Chris understands & perceives things very differently from people who are normal or people who are just autistic and are, unlike Chris, actually on the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum(like me), and is incapable of seeing that they have certain problems and have delusions.
What to someone like me or a non-autistic person would be disgusting, indecent, or inappropriate, is not seen that way by Chris. For example, that drawing Chris made of them fingering their former friend named Megan Schroeder, and uploaded to the internet to prove to trolls that they aren't gay. Chris has a warped sense of right & wrong and is incapable of understanding that certain things are not okay to do. Plus, Chris truly has the mental capacity of a 7-year-old child, combined with the hormones & sexdrive of an adult. So, Chris can't be held to the same standards as a fully functional person.
These issues combined with Chris not getting the special needs education they needed during their formative years, Chris not being taught much of importance by their parents and being sheltered by them during their formative years, and Chris's parents allowing for Chris to be "raised" by the media they consumed during their formative years, all of which having happened because of Chris's parents being idiots, and all of the relentless online trolling towards them have resulted in the person we see today. The only hope for Chris is them having consistent psychiatric treatment forced upon them.
It's also worth noting that Chris has prosopagnosia(AKA face blindness)(which also was somehow never diagnosed), which means that their ability to recognize faces, including their own face, is impaired, and that Chris, at some point, developed Split Personality Disorder(AKA Dissociative Identity Disorder(DID for short)), as made evident by the "near-year-long bodyswap between Chris and Sonichu". Chris may also have phonagnosia, which is the auditory equivalent of prosopagnosia. Another thing that I feel that I should mention is that certain people with autism, including Chris, have a physical condition called hypotonia, which affects muscle tone, muscle strength, motor skills, and stamina. This, rather than Chris being overweight, is the cause of Chris getting quickly tuckered out by physical activity.
It's also worth pointing out that some autists, Chris included, come off as being creeps towards women because they either have weak cognitive empathy(AKA empathic accuracy and theory-of-mind) or completely lack it(in other words, it's hard or impossible for them to metaphorically put themselves in other people's shoes), and they have difficulty with or are incapable of understanding how to get into romantic relationships and how romantic relationships work.
As the UA-cam user Vanreis said, "I think this case should be studied and presented to people who have any deciding power in topics of mental health, and education in general. Autism, horrible upbringing, lonely school life, failure to learn & be taught anything about society, and then, having all that be exacerbated by people on the internet, all of which is insanely well-documented; I don't think there is a better case to show people how fucked up people can become if the entire system fails them.". As the UA-cam user K 767 said, "I think the guy just doesn't have sufficient cognitive resources to deal with his emotions and responsibilities, so, it's unreasonable to judge him as if he was just a normal guy who happened to be lazy and narcissistic. The Asperchu Saga was hilarious, but don't kid yourself. Alec was just a troll pushing the right buttons to confuse a mentally challenged man.".
As the UA-cam user ARC1300 said, "I think it's just too difficult for us to compartmentalize his issues and his shortcomings to "He refused to get help. Boo-hoo! It's his fault.". Mental health is a very complicated issue for us to just simplify it like that. I get it. We're all human and we want an easy answer to everything, but that just isn't the way life works. Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating any of the shit he has done. I wouldn't even dream of it. But, it just seems lazy, arrogant, and callous to just say something like that and leave it at that.". As the UA-cam user Kay said, "What is also upsetting is when it is said that Chris has failed to grow up & become a normal person. Being on the spectrum myself, this is beyond frustrating. He can't be a normal person. This isn't a matter of him being childish and not growing up. He has autism; a developmental disorder. It's not like he's going to wake up one day and say "I think I'm going to stop being like this.". It's just unbelievable that adults are mocking a man that is literally mentally disabled, as if he is choosing to behave that way. Yes, with different & better support, he could be more productive and, maybe, make better choices. But, his brain will always work this way. The bullying, tormenting, and harassment have only made him worse.".
As the UA-cam user ICryAllDayAllNight said, "It's so frustrating to see people claim Chris brought this misery all on himself. Yes, Chris is a bad person, but it's because his brain is literally incapable of carrying out the functions needed for him to be a good person(empathy, self-awareness, critical introspection, and basic critical thought). He just doesn't have the biological brain structure there to see things from other people's perspectives or to understand certain concepts. I see this whole Chris saga as being a bunch of people bullying a mentally disabled person. He needed professional help, not to be tormented for his entire adult life.".
As the character Arthur Fleck said in the movie 'Joker', "The worst part about having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't." and "What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash?!".
I heavily encourage you to watch these 6 videos! At the very least, you should watch the one titled 'The Tragedy of Chris Chan: An Autistic Person's Perspective'. ua-cam.com/video/5H5bVBsDrxA/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/0OGWXTYFrmM/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/VAUHuU8aUYg/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/scYj-DoEV7I/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/0g63S2yXYl0/v-deo.html, and ua-cam.com/video/e3KvwJjUrUM/v-deo.html.
To learn more about prosopagnosia, watch these. ua-cam.com/video/3-MzNPcEh6M/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/XcgK_7kQUwQ/v-deo.html.
Also, I don't know where the idea that Chris said they are claiming to be transgender in order to get with lesbians came from, but I haven't seen any evidence that it's true. There is potential evidence that Chris is legitimately trans. In an old email thread between Chris and PandaHalo, Chris said that they had always identified more with girls and that they wondered if they should have been born as a girl. You can find this in the CWCki article about Chris's transgenderism. However, I won't say that this is definitive proof that Chris is trans, because the points that the UA-cam user GiBi made in his video 'A Discussion About Chris Chan's Gender' and the points that the UA-cam user TheZiros made in said vid's comment section have a lot of merit.
It should also be noted that Barbara "Barb" Chandler doesn't really have dementia. She was faking it in those videos in order to gain sympathy. She is a master manipulator. She emotionally abused her husband, Robert "Bob" Chandler, and Chris(especially Chris) for years. After Bob died, she forced Chris to give her buttocks rubs and spoon with her every night for years. If Barb really had dementia, she wouldn't have been allowed to be living by herself after Chris's arrest and she wouldn't have been allowed to still be a licensed driver. It should also be said that Joshua "Null" Moon's involvement with Chris, including the times that he "helped" Chris, was nothing more than him wanting to be a part of Christory. He is a vile person. He created & runs the website Kiwi Farms, the sole purpose of which is to chronicle the lives of & make fun of people who have been deemed to be "LOLcows". People on that site drove a transgender autist to commit suicide and Null didn't care. Before she killed herself, she begged Null to do something about the bullying and he refused.
Barb has a history of being a narcissist and a manipulator
@@zippolighter4903 Indeed she does.
Also apparently Chris Chan only swapped genders in a desperate bid to expand their option of available women by including lesbian women as well as straight women inn their love quest search pool. I dunno how factual this info is, but if it's not cap, that's an omega yikes. Way I see it, a homie said it best ;
"its not that he doesn't deserve respect regarding pronouns, it’s that they’re not valid, and the delusions of someone who’s clearly mentally unstable and has been manipulated into their beliefs shouldn't be validated, if for nothing else than their own wellbeing"
the things this individual has committed are atrocious but when you're just as much of a threat to yourself as those around you its not malicious more so is it just raw, unrefined volatility. This person believes they can telepathically communicate with their OCs across dimensions and has subjected themselves to bodily harm in attempts to perform gender surgery on themselves, among other various forms of self emasculation and harm. Not justifying their actions, but clearly this person is a basket case gone uninterrupted for decades.
Yea I've heard something to that effect as well. But, it doesn't matter at all. If someone were to come up to me and say their name was Ben and they would like to be referred to as such.. because the aliens from outer space told them it was their true name, the fact that that last part isn't true doesn't change that they would, in fact, like to be referred to by the name "Ben". Perhaps Ben is a terrible person, has killed multiple people, perhaps you have reason to believe they're going by the name Ben to hide from their previous identity. All of that is very important to talk about, none of it should be covered up, and yet, still, when you talk about Ben, you should call then Ben, or rather: The right to change ones name should not be dependent on meeting certain arbitrary moral standards, even moral standards that directly involve their name.
But, beyond all that, whether her proclaimed gender identity is "valid" or not, whatever that means, in the alternate universe where CWC had said "I mainly identify as a man because I think identifying as a woman would harm my dating prospects." noone would be purposefully using she/her for them. Because having the traditional pronouns for your GAAB is the 'default', whereas having _nonstandard_ pronouns for one's gender assigned at birth is seen as a privilege to be granted and revoked as your gender is seen as more and less "valid".
But there is no such thing as a valid gender, pronouns are just words we use as replacements for names in a sentence. There is no gender organ in the body one can point to to prove gender, nor are our immortal souls colored pink or blue. Noone's gender, 'gender identity', or preferred pronouns is any more or less a 'delusion' then anyone elses.
Yet again another masterpiece of a video. Never stop making videos my dude, you are a gem just waiting to be found by the algorithm. Very poignant message.
praying for it soon bro
I love how your videos have some sense of messaging towards the culture on the internet. I feel like the internet needs more stuff like this and it gives me a little more confidence to do the same.
Honestly his parents should’ve kept him off the internet, but they were probably old asf and didn’t have the energy to deal with his kid
Bob should have unplugged their damn internet instead of wussing out.
If a CWC movie was made, here's the proposed cast:
Jesse Heiman as Chris Chan (GoDaddy commercial guy)
Kathy Bates as Barbara Chan
John Lithgow as Bob Chan
Mindy Sterling as Mary Walsh
Kira Buckland as Meagan
Evan Peters as Liquid Chris
Seth Rogan as Mike Snyder
seth should be chris or tom cruise. some crazy...NICK CAGE!
@@lindinle I guess cage would be good for Mike too
@@SlashinatorZ no. as chris.
@@SlashinatorZ HOW THE SONICHU GET BURNED!!!!
@@SlashinatorZ and calls roseachu a "pretty little tart"
This Isabella Janke news is kinda nuts doe
who??
@@LB-dm5yn you'll see
@@LB-dm5yn But you'll wish you didn't
@@Aveance94 you were right 😞
Thx for making this video, this point of view isn't talked about enough. People that ruin cwc's life all hide behind "its just trolling" or "I'm just documenting" but rly they are just abusing a mentally ill person for their own entertainement.
thank you for putting into words what i've been having trouble reconciling for a while. that even the most quote-unquote "harmless" trolls were still actively detrimental to Christine's mental well-being and life. as someone who's also autistic and moderately gender-fluid, it's hard for me to feel any joy towards what these guys were doing for years on end. but at the same time, it's also difficult yet good to recognize that being the victim does not make one blameless, or even a good person. as you said, Christine's a fucking monster.
also, thanks for respecting her gender identity, honestly. all trans people are valid, even the ones who are extremely fucking horrible. even gender validity does not make you a good person. so it's great to see that more people are willing to reconcile that while still being trans allies.
Yeah I watched like a 10 hour series documenting everything that happened, and I think that Chris met the tipping point to become a monster early on, but was however nudged to that point by Trolls and not caught and guided by his family.
Because let's be honest if he had a loving and stable family I doubt much of this would happen. Cause even though he was guided and trick deeper and deeper into delusion, he also didn't have the character or knowhow to recognize and reject that delusion which he would have had if he had a good father
if he had a loving stable family literally none of this would've happen. Im right about these things and im tired of people telling me im not lol
I just wish Chris never found the internet. Or won that Nintendo competition. Also, wish I never heard about Chris Chan lol
Don't forget the Sonic sweepstakes.
And the fanta nut drinking
@@bruhboi7935 fant-uhhhhhh 😂
Chris had help. Many people tried to help him just *stop*. Stop feeding the trolls, stop living in the way he was, try to improve his way of life. He did not want help. He took advantage of those that tried to help him, even after all the main trolling by 4Chan. Any bit of help that was given him was thrown back in the good Samaritan's face.
No amount of trolling is morally upright, but eventually, repeated poor decisions becomes self-inflicted pain. Becoming a better person is a choice. Chris actively chose *not* to, even when there were people who wanted to help him do just that.
But the Bella situation has, indeed, made things more complicated. These are the actions of a sadist, and the most recent saga should be ridden to its completion before we make a final verdict on this saga.
I literally say this doe lol
@JoshGolus
That's a load of bullshit! Chris is unable to understand that they need help!
Dude just this intro deserves a sub! So I definitely did just that!!
Ps: when Chris was talking bout his Ma's gspot she actually yells at him and says "Chis!!" Idk that shows she does understand somewhat. Just a observation....
Also hes really been thru hell. He is a horrible person right now but I kinda feel bad for everything he's endured...
Ppps: I just realized I'm on my man's account. Shit now I gota go sign out and sign into my account and add you! For real you're a smart man! I love it! I'm Chrissy💗💋
Best take on the issue so far. People would have PTSD if they suffered a fraction of abuse CWC had. Don't mind the downvotes, they just can't cope with what they have done.
I know, folks don't wanna acknowledge the behemoth we contributed to
_Worst_ take on the issue so far, especially coming from someone who obviously knew nothing about Chris Chan until this current debacle, who cram-learned about him the night before making this video and didn't even get everything right. Less than 20 minutes, half of which is just the opinion from an outsider POV, could hardly be considered "best take on the issue so far." That's hilarious. More like *_best bandwagon jumper on the issue so far._* And not even really the best because there are a thousand clueless videos just like this. You don't sound very educated on the subject at hand, either. "They just can't cope with what they have done," get off your soapbox and drop the holier-than-thou bullshit.
He's quick to mention that you can give him money on cashapp, though...trying to make money off a hot topic like Chris fucking his mom while talking about morality isn't too hypocritical, is it?
@@ArchWizardCj Stop saying "we," you're being facetious. There is no "we," there's no collective. Some people were cruel, some weren't. Some people sympathized or empathized, some didn't. Some people interacted, many did not. Some people were just observers. If you're looking for blame, it takes more than a 19 minute video to figure it all out. GenoSamuel has done 60 45-minute videos on cwc and even he hasn't covered everything.
@@Detheven "worst take on the issue so far"
Proceeds to give the worst take on the issue so far lmaoo
@@Detheven Cope
Been waiting for this video before I even look into who Chris Chan is. I know cj been in the lab cooking this one up.
My dude
This isn’t a good one
This is an exercise in humanity’s moral indifference
Or just perverted interested in sufferage
@@FJaypewpew since when?
@@yougonbedead405 since chris was introduced to the internet
@@FJaypewpew nah son, since when did I ask
@@yougonbedead405 damn
I always wondered what it cost Christine that her parents were a generation older than the parents of her peers. Her parents would have had no idea what kind of challenges are faced by kids in school today, considering they would have gone to school in the 60s, not the 80s like her peer group. Any advice they would have given her about getting along with classmates would have been four decades out of date and so much had changed in those 40 years. But still, she's a monster, for sure.
Chris dad was a Korean war vet so try schooling in the 40s
@@theoreomann794 Even more to my point. I forgot he was almost a generation older than his wife.
@@theoreomann794 Genetically, too, she didn't have a chance. One of the biggest correlations autism has is a wide age gap between the older dad and the younger mom, and at 40, she was dealing with more chances of issues too.
@@TheTroutkitty I was going to bring that up also lol had Bob and Bard had him at a younger age he would just be a messed up guy
Probably. But he might have made it out and had at least a chance of a normal life.
Chris Chan and his life has been documented so much (too much even) and the climax to the arc is he abused his mom, well damn that was unexpected and sad.
People who have followed him for a while or trolled him predicted this.
He had feelings for his mom for a long time and this was evident in his comics and what he chose to defend.
@:::::::::::::: damnnn son. Did he write about it in his books ? Just wondering lol. Cause I did some digging today and saw nudity he drew 💀 is that about his mom or something?
Chris is like the personification of the question posed by the movie Hereditary and the tale of Oedipus Rex.
Is it it more tragic if they had no free will and it was predestined or is it more tragic if they fulfilled the prophecy all on their own?
Chris chans prophecy in this case being what usually happens to people with a menagerie of various mental disorders. In CWCs case his mental illnesses is at LEAST; barely functioning Autism, Schizorypal personality disorder and probably Borderline Personality Disorder not too mention all the trauma.
The guy was literally gangstalked and gaslit for over a decade by a series of 30 or so notable people, probably more, with only 10 or so people genuinely trying to help.
Some folks tried to gofund him after his house burned down but he berated the people who gave him money because it wasn't enough to replace what was lost.
He has done shit like this all the time. Not that it justifies what happened to Chris but the wntire reason he started getting trolls was because he tried to take down a site that was talking about his comic book.
Also where is this "we" coming from. I doubt anyone in this comment section was involved with trying to troll Chris lol. Chris made the choice as did the horrible people who trolled him. All i did was read the cwcwiki every few years
We won't learn a damn thing, but that Bella girl is one of many. I wish we band together against bad faith actors more and not drive innocent people to suicide. We're all responsible for this...I'm in tears
That said I liked your take more than I thought I would
The thing about Isabella is that she's clearly at least half Hispanic. The white supremacy thing is strange. It doesn't add up.
Yeah, I've heard so much crazy stuff, some of it sounds made up. But then I look at someone like Chris, and if it wasn't all documented, I wouldn't believe that either.
Elliot Rodger was half British, half Malaysian. And he *hated* other Asians with a hellatious vengeance, all the moreso if he saw they were more successful with the ladies than him. If this girl really has been filming herself boiling hamsters alive, the white supremacy angle is really one of the more banal and unremarkable things about her.
Gr**ming, internalized hatred and/or blackmail and thr*ats are the usual military tactics.
Idk if its true but I could see it being true. So many people are self loathing...hate parts of themselves. They see white supremacy as this counter culture group, desperate to belong to something that's different, edgy, makes them feel superior. It seems like she would do anything to shock or get attention out of other people. When really she's just another lolcow. Apparently her mommy and daddy didn't give her enough attention.
This is EXACTLY what I've been saying. Nailed it 100%
“Chris Chan set up for failure since day 1”
That was so dark it made my body tingle.
Life has fails him and worse he fail him self.
When you think about it…
No matter what his parents decided for him… it would have ended poorly.
His parents not getting him any special help resulted in the ending we’re seeing now.
His parents getting him special help would have ended in Chris being placed in an insane asylum because in the 80’s and 90’s, they threw autistic people into an insane asylum. Where some go to die
Idk
Doubtful imo. Chris is autistic but he pretty high functioning. Much of his problems come from experiences then anything else. I've known much older people with a more debilitating form of autism some even needing to hospitalized for physical problems like ripping muscles by accident, and are far more functional people because they received help.
He needed treatment which his family confirmed not believing in at all, he needed teachers that could help not literally traumatize him which to even a person without any mental disorders would probably end up close to him. He needs a mental facility now from a combination of the internet, his parents, and the system at large. His autism isn't why he is like this, it definitely contributed to it, but living the way he did would have driven most people to a similar level.
asylums were shut down in 80s
Honestly every new vid u make is a new milestone. Always loved your content since the old FH days years ago, and you only keep reinforcing that. Good shit, Mr CJ!
I came across this by Chance and I’m glad I did
This is probably the only insightful take I’ve seen on this situation
And believe me, I’ve watched a bunch of these videos in the last week
Incredibly saddened about this saga
Everything I’ve ever known about cwc has been “oh my god he needed a brother” or just, something to ground him
his parents couldn’t understand the internet, and he couldn’t with the tools provided, handle the internet
It became his link, and it’s been taken advantage of in such a surreal way, like, what do you do when normally someone will kick back from you kicking their shins under the table, but instead freak out and smoosh their dinner up in their hands while yelling
At first it’s wild and sort of exciting, maybe gives some power, then the sad interest starts to just see what happens if you do this or that.
It’s like a fucked unregulated experiment
Welcome to the Truman Show.
After diving into the documentary over course of a few days I needed this. Thank you
Feeling sorry or pity for Chris Chan is a wasted emotion. He doesn't care about you unless he can sleep with you. Chris chan is looking out for number one. Saying that he is victim of circumstance is just a copout. He is 39 years old. He refuses help. We can play the blame game all day. But really we only have one person to blame and that is Chris Chan. This cow is almost out of milk. Better get in on it while it is relevant.
Idk anything about this situation but I'm still excited to see what it's about
He called liquid chris malicious lol
Morality is not subjective. Morality can be calculated by math, the calculus is messy, and can often only be calculated after centuries, but it can be calculated nonetheless. Our morality can be calculated by the human suffering the inflict or alleviate. And moral relativism leads us down a path which inflicts more suffering.
Morality is absolutely subjective we have never in any point in history held the same set of core morals even post Christianity. There is no calculative rhythm
@@ArchWizardCj Some things are morally grey, while others are universally condemned cross culture.
No, not everyone is going to act like Bella if given the opportunity. I have no interest in boiling my hamsters alive. Torturing animals for fun is one of those few traits that defines sociopaths.
@@HamHamHampster her sadistic tendencies are culturally condemned and as a result across our society deems them as deplorable acts. In china they boil dogs alive and kill animals for a myriad of purposes
@@ArchWizardCj ... Again, I have to fall back on human suffering. The weighting might be different, our opinions on the weighting might change over time, and by person. But there is a weighting non the less... Imagine a world in which we blinded every 3rd child. Objectively, a worse world to live in. Objectively, morally repugnant. Many of those blinded would go onto become amazing musicians, or philosophers and would claim their fortune for being blinded. 2/3rds would be grateful for their sight, and so would be happier for it. And yet...
You're left either advocating for a world in which we blind every third child, or admitting there is at least some gradient of a moral calculus that can be performed.
@@hwwwarrior90 that is not an objective standard which you referenced , merely a comparison to what you perceive as the global standard now. Should it have already been the norm that 1 in every 3 children are born blind , we would live in a world more accommodating of that notion. You proposing a hypothetical and , further more, assuming that human suffering is in itself morally ireprehensable when life itself is impossible to void of suffering no matter the quality of life , is precisely why this fallacy gets tossed around so gingerly. Human suffering is a benchmark for our desire to pursue a higher quality of life , but human suffering will persist regardless the quality of life. Its why in our 1st world modern age, mental illness and mass shootings see a staggering uptick despite this being the most peaceful period in human history. We are bred around suffering and conflict , which is why I reaffirm that morality is subjective, what we deem objective is just a truth agreed upon by the majority in this current cycle of suffering. That truth has changed multiple times , through multiple periods , and will continue to change. It is not constant , and suffering is not a form of evil, it is a form of punishment
I dont feel bad for this creep, if you cant dig yourself out of your own problems.
Should others waste their emotions on you?
Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
Dude chris didnt work at the Gameplace. He played pokemon TCG there. People TRIED TO HELP HIM. There are people whe genuinely tried to help, not everyone was a troll or hater, some people watched to try to help. You cannot FORCE someone into getting psichiatric help. Chris IGNORED all those people. His PARENTS fought against getting help long before chris was known about online. Stop acting like the whole world sat back and laughed while chris was mocked by the world. Thats not how it was and chris was already horribly messesd up before he got online because of his parents and actively ignored genuine psiatric help.
This is how I feel Etika's situation went down as well. In that case, Etika who was going through a rough mental situation with his mortality whilst also posting outlandish stuff online (live streaming getting arrested). Through this, morality being subjective comes into play a lot because of Etika's ultimate demise. Him committing suicide was heartbreaking for many and it is extremely sad to know that he is no longer with us. We can only grieve for him, but in the end feeling sad for instigating his final choice won't bring him back. It was his personal choice that he took upon himself. Should we have done better? Of course. It is too late now, but since we are here, we should strive to improve society to prevent this from happening again.
We aren't good people from the get go, we'll learn through this along obstacles in life and I am certain whatever morals we have today will evolve or change overtime. Life is painstaking for everyone, in one way or another because it genuinely feels like its only happening to you! Who's to say we're not one bad day away from doing something considerably heinous in the world. And who is there to help us when we mess up the morality game? Who would be there to instigate us further on this heinous path? Would we truly know if we're not surrounded by what keeps us at peace? Or do we enjoy this shit cause it is our peace? On some corny shit, can all sins be forgiven? The fact that we choose to be good or do good things is special because others won't see it that way through perspective and circumstance. How we've striven so far into society is a testament to that. We're all still collectively growing and learning along the way. Don't give up cause you messed up. See it in a different light, stick by to those who are there for you. In all seriousness, we're all in this together.
Etika may be gone, but those who are around to know him keep him alive by promoting what he loved. Joycon Boyz Forever!
I appreciate the thoughtfulness you put into this video. You were so close to understanding the truth of the situation, but right as you were reaching for this "truth", you fell into the event horizon of the blackhole known as hubris.
There is one problem with your argument of personal responsibility. In order for anyone to reach that stage, they have to reach the age of discernment. This is why children are handled differently in the criminal justice system. Chris has not reached that age and may never reach it. This situation is no different than someone convincing a child to do these things.
"Forgive them Father, for they know not, what they do."
Children don't pre plan sexually harassing their demented mothers maine
Thanks for this perspective.- I can imagine that to some level that Chris might have known this was wrong but didn't understand how wrong since so many acts are on some levels spoken about as wrong in "polite company" but she might thing people do things like this in private, since people have been messing with her mind for almost two decades.
Chris Chan allegedly has the mental state of a 10 year old and she has a very tenuous grasp on reality. She hasn't had much school and has been viciously trolled for 20 years which has distorted her understanding on what acceptable behavior is. Meanwhile this girl who seems to really get a lot of enjoyment out of hurting people has allegedly been manipulation Chris for over a year.
They have been suffering from severe neglect and money is so tight but apparently this girl has also been stealing from the Chandlers as well.
I think it's hard to understand that Chris has been victimised and that her personal responsibility might not be as severe as that of a predator. Not defending the actions but I don't think this could have happened in other circumstances.
Hopefully Barbara will get the help she needs, maybe go in a nice aged care facility and I hope Chris gets top care whatever their state provides.
I always thought this, but y'know, getting smited isn't fun, and I didn't know how to state it. Perfect
Honestly well thought out. People put onto certain circumstances will yield predictable results, such as children born in abusive households are more likely to become abusers later on in life. People think that a person's actions are independent from their upbringing and environment and experiences. Im not saying that Chris had no say in what she did but the constant harrasment and psychotic behavior from the internet towards her deffifinetly had an affect. Honestly she should be a ward of the state from now on because i dont think she can function as an adult. Shame. If the circumstances of her upbringing were different. She couldve been a better person.
To the unknowning, Chris Chan has a history of failing to self improve and get out of self pity. He has a history of acting out and blaming his autism, he deserves 0 sympathy.
Reading or watching the story of Chris Chan is like watching a car crash in a super slow speed and you can't stop watching.
Intro made me subscribe
What are your thoughts on this abyss of a hole? How do you feel about Chris Chan's very existence? They feel almost surreal, like the worse possible outcome for every single decision they've ever made has landed in this sole timeline, almost like an inevitable variable that must fill a percentile, of less than 1% individuals who define the absolute lowest forms of human existence. They were set up for failure off jump imo.
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A victim of circumstance eh? I can kinda agree with that. Had the world left Chris-Chan be, not documented their life and had trolled them consistently day in and day out, there is a possibility that the series of videos of this particular individual acting out in public and recording themselves saying some strange and way outta left field stuff wouldn't exist.
However comma...
...the saga where we are at now with the whole moms thing? I dunno man, that could've just gone on in the background, you know? That old lady could still be gettin abused and the world would of kept on turning in silence.
This a tough ass call, but at the same time, never before in MY LIFE have I wished for brain bleach
Hey bro, I like the vid. But morality isn’t subjective. It’s not simply opinion, I don’t think it takes much to point out how royally fucked up people are as a species, that’s called knowing right and wrong. But in the sense of societies standards yeah, then their morality is subjective, but only since those clowns only live for the right now moment haha video funny at other persons expense.
The kiwi farms guy try to help him...after chronicling his life lol.. but... setting him up to do commissions and be set up once his mother died...
But Chris preferred Bella. And lied and manipulated Chris.
Chris was a narcissist..and he preferred his fictional world.
@:::::::::::::: and no one is discounting that. However, you're absolutely in the wrong to try to argue that the situation wasn't exasperated by trolls literally doing everything they can to mess with Chris-Chan for internet fame.
No one is saying Chris-Chan is absolutely innocent of wrongdoing. What IS being said is that there were forces at work that threw gasoline on an already burning dumpster fire.
Pull your finger out of your ass.
@@Michael-bv9go But.....it totally *is* a subjective, shapeless, constantly evolving and devolving concept. I mean about 100 years ago the US government prohibited alcohol, and modern Christians gotta carefully cherry pick bits and pieces of the Bible they can get behind because of how frequently that disaster book contradicts itself.
I can't even say I believe in karma, even if it would appear this is one of the rare and powerfully impactful occasions where it seems to be working as designed. No, this is just cause and effect being put on full blast for a wretch that was never able to properly conceptualize the consequences of their actions. Chris Chan had trolls, but his enablers may have done just as much harm, if not more so.
As for how I feel about what part I 'played' in this as a bystander.....well fuck, how *should* I feel? I'm no more responsible for that manchild's actions than I am for Chernobyl going hot. It's funny that Rome got mentioned during this video, because even though society is admittedly constantly shaping itself to do better unto itself, it also has a side bubbling just beneath the surface that relishes when someone gets finished off in the gladiatorial arena. This was one such occasion, except since chris Chan is still alive and in one piece, the shit show will inevitably resume once he's no longer behind bars. Hell, this is just going to be a repeat of that one lolcow that got dementia or something, except that one was actually a genius programmer. I don't see anyone crying tears over that lost soul.
Y'know what, I'd like to revise an earlier statement: It's not about whether morality is subjective or not, so much as whether morality isn't simply just as much a delusion as Christopher's happy little made-up dictatorship of CWCville.
Thanks for the insight CJ, you always deliver with these videos.
"WHEN YOU LEARN...THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES"--Sammy
Yah know CJ, I made a comment some weeks ago asking to make fun of some niggas for content. Thanks for telling me to chill bruv. I don’t think I really had this spectrum of morality laid out in front of me prior. So thanks so the perspective huncho first and foremost.
Tbh this shit abhorrent however end you cut it. But too much of anything is a bad thing, and in this case dudes memed too hard. Niggas memed so hard that a whole psycho synopsis film came of it. Flabbergasted is the word.
Liquid Chris arc best arc though. Fite me.
you're a weirdo praising a loser for bullying a mentally ill autistic kid cause you found entertainment from it
Chris'story is very unfortunate. Even though he was manupulated to do those terrible acts, that doesn't mean he's excused for all his crimes. The damage was allready have been done. Hopefully when he gets out of prison, he will finally learn all his mistakes and move on as a better man
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You summed up exactly how i feel about this whole thing. Its like the Truman Show but somehow even worse.
Great work man, i love how this video was edited and the topics you touched on i subbed
thank you so much man
Man, you just earned yourself a sub, CJ! Great analysis and take on Chris Chan!
That mf intro got my ass CJ. Your channel is underrated fr fr.
O shoot bro I didnt think you read my comment CJ, but aye have you checked out Naraka Bladepoint?
Chris Chan is not a victim. He was manipulated but he knows what he’s doing. He was incredibly homophobic and racist, joker was neither of those.
Dude asked the judge if he can go home and get some of his personal belongings. Youre lying to yourself if you think he isn't a 7yr old in a 40 yr old man's body
@:::::::::::::: tell me you don't understand disabled people without telling me you don't understand disabled people
The other day I heard what I felt was a magnificent explaination as to why the Sonic fandom (and other franchises/products aimed at pre teens trying to find themselves or "be cool") produce so many "weird" people.
Being aimed at people in such an important part of their physical and cognitive development, those who endlessly cling to said franchise even when they are way past the target age and demand said franchise evolve and deal with adult themes for example, it's because they themselves failed at maturing and leaving that thing behind, just to be a nostalgic memory from a different time of your life.
Basically it's no fault of the franchise/fandom itself, but people who fail to mature and move to other things, asking the product they love to evolve and change cause they couldn't do it in real life. Basically man childs to afraid to leave the thing they based their personality around behind 😂
The only sad thing about the prison saga is that we won’t be able to use it to fuel the lolcow till he’s out
I'm glad you're back, bro, and I'm happy you're able to pull in views leaving For Honor behind, still underrated though, keep it up!
Great video :)
I have no doubt in my mind that Chris is a monster, what he did was absolutely disgusting, but I have agree with you that he also is a victim… hear me out 😅
(a victim of bad parenting and years of online bullying)
people can be both, and what saddens me the most is that he probably could’ve turned out just fine if he had been raised properly, or was given the help he needed as a child.
I’m sorry but I just can’t help but feel a tiny bit of pity for the man…
Of course at the end of the day he’s still responsible for his own actions, he never learns, and no matter how he was raised, or if he blames his disability, it’s not an excuse.
It’s understandable sure, but not an excuse.
That being said, I don’t think Chris should rot in prison, that won’t fix anything and its not what he needs, I think he should to be put into a mental institution so he can improve.
I’d rather him get better than brutally die in prison, because let’s be honest here, he won’t survive a week.
Kiwi farms josh moon was helping Christine sell sonichu products in order to fund a plane ticket to a convention they wanted to attend. (Literally right before this happened) Many people tried to help Christine, ex. Trying to get him to get a job. Chris pushed aside all people trying to help in order to play out their fantasies.
Great video CJ, I mostly agree with all of your sentiments here but I do somewhat object to two things:
-While yes I do think the internet played a huge part in fucking up Chris mentally even more than he already was, its not like there werent people who actively tried to help him, especially post Bob's death where the trolling grinded mostly to a complete halt and anyone who tried to troll him for some bit of fame were actively shit and vilified by the majority of the community of orbiters/"christorians". It wasnt something where no one tried to intervene and I at least feel like you didn't make much of an attempt to point that out (granted idk how deep into researching the topic you went and I dont blame you for not wanting to go too far into the shithole). This isn't to take away from how fucked up it is that so many people did troll him and so many people including myself sat there as bystanders watching all of this go on but it is to say that not ALL of his online interactions directly negatively effected him. I truly believe that even without the trolling, Chris would have ended up doing something extremely fucked up eventually since his parents were very much neglectful in dealing with his mental health and enabled alot of his poor behavior anyway.
-I disagree with the main difference between alot of the trolls and Isabella Loretta Janke being opportunity. For the most part, the trolls weren't going into their interactions with Chris with the mindset of trying to harm him, not to delegitimize the damage they did for jokes but most went in with the thought process of "hey lets all get a kick out of fucking with the autistic weird kid" vs Bella whose main objective was to try and get Chris to kill himself. The only other trolls at least I can think of who went in with the express intent to harm Chris were Bluespike and The Idea Guys group. That said all of the trolling of this mentally handicapped individual is fucked up to varying degrees, but there is a difference much bigger than opportunity at least in my own opinion.
Sorry for being as fucking longwinded as I am here, I still very much enjoyed the video and think you did a much better job than most covering the subject, you didnt just fly in here with no context or research before talking about this subject matter and I very much appreciate that. Great video and I hope you continue to post great content like this in the future!
I left this comment in another thread, so don't take its hostility as if directed towards this comment, but the sentiment still stands ;
why are we holding an impressionable child like aut*st who clearly has far more unannounced mental disorders from their horrendous upbringing and parental background to the same standard as you or me? The audacity to say something as absurd as "people offered help, they refused" as if they can even tell the fucking difference anymore is laughable. Yes, what they did was horrendous, yes, they need to be detained, yes, at this point locking them away in a cell is the only palpable solution, but the indignant stance I see so many of you taking on what you've essentially reduced to a circus animal then questioning why their mind is so warped to begin with is so, so, so utterly typical of absolving yourself the social responsibility of acknowledging the hand you played in all of this, which proves my point in the video to begin with.
-Acknowledge we failed as a collective.
-Do better.
Its simple dawg.
Just because Chris Chan has autism, doesn't mean that he has to do those disgusting things & the lady who recorded the call is equally as disgusting as him.
When someone actively tries to get another person to off themselves? Thats not morally subjective, thats criminal.
yeah but just peep the comments lmao they directly contradict your statement alot of folks do not care nor sympathize
Chris chan needed many things. But he often gave into what he wanted. From what i can tell, or see, even if chris got some of the things he needed, he would’ve found a way to somehow fuck things up. Perhaps his autism. His ego? So much irony surrounds chris that i have to ask myself if he’s just always destined to be this living greek tragedy, chris is a monster, a monster the Internet made. But then again, even before the Internet chris was still curse-ye-ha-me-ha’ing people. And believing he was talking with his characters. Though the Internet itself was the detonator of all that ego stored inside. Chris takes ideas and runs with it, no matter how many times people break it to him chris believes himself to be doing the right thing or to be justified in what he does. Even if idea guy, in the middle of all that shit he was pulling, went “hey, haha i lied” chris would’ve still ran with the idea. Chris would still believe himself to be a god. I feel like the true merge, is that at the end of everything. Every thread, every single story, chris would’ve learned nothing. Like a Saturday morning cartoon it’d all reset, and everything would be the same as usual, same story. Same idea. Same mentality. Unless the show ends. Or is canceled. When chris gets out, if ever, i feel as if he’d regress into old habits. He’s built a kingdom of his own ego, if he accepts reality, it’d all crumble down. It’d break him.
I pity the child known as christopher christian weston chandler but the adult i do not
There were people through Chris' life on the Internet that attempted to help, from "gal pals" that managed to get into contact, to people in real life like her former church's pastor. But Chris was so far gone at that point that it was no use - they showed no more ability to change. You can't say _nobody_ went out to help Chris and only wanted to bully her, because that isn't true. So many people tried to no avail.
The Earthbound track in the back was perfect for this madness.
Still figuring out who the main character in this simulation we living in. Shame Chris was a Red Herring
The pickle man was the protagonist
The Earthbound music is very appropriate for this mess.
The fucking Kingdom hearts music xD
where tf did the this is what a scrub looks like series go??? Bruh that was like my fav thing to rewatch
Well now I know that people are horribly disturbing. Glad I haven’t gone to that side of the internet.
Fantastic video and opinions on this crazy story.
I just hope Chris and barb gets the help they need dispite Chris as a person and Barb as a person.. if not then atleast Chris will be out of the trolls reach for sometime
Bro waiting for Cj’s videos is like waiting for a marvel movie to drop
Best video i've seen, and I was chucked down the fucking rabbit hole lol
Ironically I got an ad for anti fungus spray before this video started. 💀💀💀
Tremendou-yikes
Chris Chan is the reason I hate trolls. Yes, Chris is a monster and needs to be locked up. But the trolls did have a hand in making Chris the way he is. The fact that some people call themselves Chrisstorians is just cringe.
Also no I’m not gonna call them by “correct pronouns” because Chris only became trans to “date lesbians”
Liquid Chris is best Chris. This is performance art and it’s hilarious.
miss the for honor content but ill keep watching the new stuff
No he is not a victim. The victim is in some hospital because the person she trusts most in the world deceived her and crossed a line that no one should cross even with a gun to his head he shouldn’t of done what he did and their is no defense for it. I’m sure people will defend him because they want to stand out and get attention off Chris, it’s been happening for all his adult life already and will continue to happen. He isn’t a victim he does it to himself he doesn’t have to be on the internet he chooses to be so he can get his toys
You know it’s bad when we use she pro nouns for a obvious man who is a elder rapist
The best take I've seen on this issue, yet. It's a bitter pill.
To be fair they were countless times were both concerned trolls and onlookers did their best to convince Christian that he needs to get off the internet for his own Mental Health