the dude driving this is a freaking badass, every time I see him driving this car hes so always so precise and committed thoroughly to putting the otherwise precious and "dated" machine through its paces, truly displaying the magnificence of one of Group Cs finest examples of the era. Hats off
The direct steering, the right now braking and oh the fantastic acceleration!!!. It seems as if the car explodes from turn to turn. The teleportation from the front straight to the start of the esses is addictive to behold.
Bob was only 3.5 seconds off the 2011 model modern LMP-1 race qualifying time, in that lap, Christian Glasel {Kumschink Racing} in the other Mercedes C-11 did 2 mins 7 secs, listen to the raging engine what a superb car, I can only imagine Jochen Mass, and Shumi going around here in this car as they did in 1990
so this car is off the ultimate pace of the pole sitter this year at spa by only ten seconds, enough to be on lmp2 pole amazing. and in 2011 would have quallified in fourth place just behind the audis. WOW
Uau... 3.2 - 3.3 seconds from 100-200km/h that is very impressive. and keeping over 190km/h through pouhon actually shows the potential of the car. Super Car and good driver
This video is very telling about the way those cars were, especially in the graphic. As a sim Racer I have raced this car a lot in asseto corsa, it's one of my favourites. It's an animal to tame especially on the brakes. But every video I watch about braking techniques bang on about trail braking and getting to 100% trailing off the pressure through the corner, to the apex, but when you try in something like this it's nearly impossible, but no one explains pre abs cars and how they react, because he's not braking late at 100% he's braking earlier and at 50 to 60 % pressure and then feeding the power through the corner before the apex.
Imagine if they built this car today. It would be even lighter and they could get more power from the 5L V8. I'm talking easily over 1000HP. More HP than F1. Considering the C11 originally had 850-900HP unrestricted...If they rebuilt the C11 to today's standards it would be terrifying fast.
@@Jesko. the aerodynamics could be whatever the team wanted. If it was modern aero then obviously 30 years of aero will make it work different. There is nothing stopping the team from slapping a low drag or longtail body on it! I'm just dreaming though.
MikeVonDoom It wouldn't go that fast at Spa. In fact, it didn't go that fast anywhere. In qualifying for the 1989 Le Mans 24 Hours, the Sauber driven by Kenny Acheson, was measured at 400 km/h (about 248 mph). The other Saubers were doing 385 - 390 km/h. Acheson did not get pole position this way so even with the 5.8 km straight, that top speed actually resulted in a _slower_ lap time than the car of Schlesser. The gearing for Spa would be completely different and I doubt it more than 320 km/h is possible.
Very nice. I can't believe how little brakes he uses. Kinda sad that they seemed to have limited the engine so much - it could definitely go much faster on the straight.
@@achilleconte4385 Not at Spa and certainly not ‘easily’. The Sauber used the high downforce setup at Spa, which produced about 30% more downforce than the one they used at Le Mans. Le Mans is the only place they used the low downforce, low drag aero package. Straight line speed is not that important at Spa, except up the hill on the Kemmel straight and that is not long enough for this car to get to 400 km/h. It might get to 300, maybe 310. But not 400, not at Spa.
@@achilleconte4385 Not at Spa. That’s the point. There is no point claiming it could have gone faster in a straight line at Spa when there is nowhere on the track for it to do so.
@@Hitherto90 literally during the late 2000s and into the 2010s, the 63 AMG cars had a 6.2L V8 shoehorned in. Were more muscle car than the American ones at the time.
Actually the aero on an F1 car and more downforce in general slows down a car on the straight, as goes for weight it matters less at higher speed and its not that heavy anyway...
Actually you're wrong current F1 cars have probably the highest drag of any racing cars on earth, and with banned blown diffuser, active suspension, double diffuser, fan cars, ground effect etc the only downforce they can get is from the wings and the shape of the cars itself and the drag to downforce efficiency is poor, just look at Monza this year they can barely reach 320kph sometimes on the home straight and that's the lowest for a long long time.
Pra se ter uma ideia, um super carro atual como o koenigsegg one 1 vira 2.32 nessa pista, enquanto um carro do começo dos anos 90 consegue fazer em 2.05, ainda vale ressaltar que o c11 está com preset de endurance, esse motor suporta mais potência.
Absolute bs that you're comparing a literal race car to a road legal car made for straight line speed. Sthu clown. Race tires. Better aero. Way better power to weight ratio. What do you expect?
Hypercar class is nothing to write home about, at least not this year. I think even LMP2 beats the C11 time. Now 2019 LMP1s would trash all of them with sub 2min.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 100% true. IMSA prototypes I think are much faster than hypercars at the moment, and nothing compares to the 919 or even the Toyota LMP1s after the 919 retired. Still, it's interesting to compare.
@@Jesko.True, but to be fair this is some good race car driver driving this car likely for some rich guy at a classic Group C race. Not only is the car 20+ years old, but they don't have a big manufacturer team working with them to make it faster either. All that being said put a Toyota or Ferrari hypercar at their max specs (520Kw and 1030kg) and they'd go well under 2 minutes.
Maybe he is referring to the redline at just 7200 rpm.. I don't know what this engine would have done if pushed to it's limits in a qualifying setup...
modern F1 cars may have more downforce, but they're also more efficient (i.e. less drag). but just to answer your first question, i'd say 1000-1100 BHP, as with most of the other Group C cars.
Group C cars were not made for massive power outputs. It was a fuel allocation - i.e.: _fuel economy_ formula. Rumours of 1,000 hp are everywhere but they are mostly exaggeration. This car put out about 720-730 hp on 1.9 bar boost.
@@thethirdman225 they're not an exaggeration, but rather what power output they could achieve in qualifying trim. It was not uncommon for teams to crank up the boost to the absolute maximum for a few laps in qualifying to maximise top speed on the straights to try and edge out a laptime. In race configuration the 1000hp setting would chew through too much fuel and screw up their pit strategy, not to mention the reduced reliability of the engine from the added stress.
Overall the M119 was rated for about 950 horsepower unrestricted, which would be fine for qualifying but not for full race spec. During races it'd run 730 to 850 horsepower
Not really. The C11's predecessor, the Sauber C9, once hit 400 km/h. No F1 car has ever gone that fast in race trim. These cars have between 700 and 800 hp, depending on boost. The big thing is torque and the Sauber's torque was its best feature.
@@thethirdman225 Their advantage was that the downforce was stable ) Front and rear ) Second was that their fuel consumption was lower than the others due to that they are running low boost on this engine. Third was that the drivability of the engine was superior to the others. The tourqe cuve is flat from 3-7000 rpm.. Therefore they only needed a 5 speed gearbox
the dude driving this is a freaking badass, every time I see him driving this car hes so always so precise and committed thoroughly to putting the otherwise precious and "dated" machine through its paces, truly displaying the magnificence of one of Group Cs finest examples of the era. Hats off
Yeah, I don't disagree. I came to watch the car, but was surprised to find that I actually admire the driver quite a bit as well.
@@Dawnseeker2000 how can he shift that thing so damn quick
I can agree more
guy has huge balls cause hes literally driving a monster
Like how can you not be goated when this is literally the car you're driving
The direct steering, the right now braking and oh the fantastic acceleration!!!.
It seems as if the car explodes from turn to turn.
The teleportation from the front straight to the start of the esses is addictive to behold.
I Love The Noise From The C11 Mercedes Benz!
combine that with the strait cut gears
@@MyFatty69 and the turbos spinning wildly!
How can you not be goated when this is the car that you literally drive
Guy's a badass literally
Bob was only 3.5 seconds off the 2011 model modern LMP-1 race qualifying time, in that lap, Christian Glasel {Kumschink Racing} in the other Mercedes C-11 did 2 mins 7 secs, listen to the raging engine what a superb car, I can only imagine Jochen Mass, and Shumi going around here in this car as they did in 1990
190mph!! And an actual manual gearbox! BADASS!!!
Dunno if youre still with us but this is the short gearing
@@bigd5899 then again there ain't no tc
@@bigd5899Yeah, the "standard" gearing could easily push it to 390 kmh/240 mph.
Sequential retard
so this car is off the ultimate pace of the pole sitter this year at spa by only ten seconds, enough to be on lmp2 pole amazing. and in 2011 would have quallified in fourth place just behind the audis. WOW
Original track 1.59.3 was pole in 1990
It’s crazy that even in today’s standard, those group C cars accelerates at enormous rate.
I'd say it's a crime we haven't improved more.
Can never get over the sound of that twin turbo v8
Can,2004 F1.
@@ludvikzizek4764nah, still not good enough. Mid-2000 f1 v10s are too screechy for me. Go back another 10 years, and they sound better imo
What a sweet gearbox !
Hearing that beast going down from 2nd to 1st gear feels like white chalk on a blackboard.
Some of the best race cars ever....Proper gear change etc...
Absolutely glorious.
Amazing car Amazing sound
Best 2:05 of my life
Superb downshifting!
Wort!
You need to get out more.
Best Motor Sound, Best Brakes, Best Race Race Driver!
Not the best brakes
chapeau. no secuential, clutch, driving with just one hand ........pilot......¡¡¡¡¡¡
Yeah and driven in its race days by the great Jochen Mass and youngsters Michael Schumacher and Karl Wendlinger
What a GOD GLORIOUS SOUND ! :D
Uau... 3.2 - 3.3 seconds from 100-200km/h that is very impressive. and keeping over 190km/h through pouhon actually shows the potential of the car. Super Car and good driver
almost 3 seconds from 100 to 200 !!
+KalleKuemelich crazy...
Kalle i think its 2.5 seconds
This video is very telling about the way those cars were, especially in the graphic. As a sim Racer I have raced this car a lot in asseto corsa, it's one of my favourites. It's an animal to tame especially on the brakes. But every video I watch about braking techniques bang on about trail braking and getting to 100% trailing off the pressure through the corner, to the apex, but when you try in something like this it's nearly impossible, but no one explains pre abs cars and how they react, because he's not braking late at 100% he's braking earlier and at 50 to 60 % pressure and then feeding the power through the corner before the apex.
Fantastic footage. ❤
@John Wilson These cars didn't have power steering back in those days.
I would have loved to sit in the passenger seat 👍😁
Why not drive it? :)
That second lap was excellent.
Nice driving. That's what racing cars are made for!
Bob Berridge used to driven a Sierra Cosworth in the BTCC; underrated driver.
0:34 I'd shit myself going that close to the lc2 at that speed 😂
im doing this @ 290 in asetto corza (sry, im not good at french)
@@RorysIrishTouryou're ass btw
dude If this thing had modern slicks and a sequential gearbox I swear this would be close to lmp1 levels of speed
Imagine if they built this car today. It would be even lighter and they could get more power from the 5L V8. I'm talking easily over 1000HP. More HP than F1.
Considering the C11 originally had 850-900HP unrestricted...If they rebuilt the C11 to today's standards it would be terrifying fast.
Le mans hypercar speed so 5 seconds shedded of definitely not lmp1 speed. The lmp1 slander needs to stop.
@@jjnich4915 The aerodynamics would be way different. It wouldn't be recognisable.
@@Jesko. the aerodynamics could be whatever the team wanted. If it was modern aero then obviously 30 years of aero will make it work different.
There is nothing stopping the team from slapping a low drag or longtail body on it!
I'm just dreaming though.
This era of group c cars are so brutal…
I would like to see a qualifying lap with the gear box tuned to 250 mph!
It would be slower.
TheThirdMan as long as it would reach 250 mph, I don't care about that.
MikeVonDoom It wouldn't go that fast at Spa. In fact, it didn't go that fast anywhere. In qualifying for the 1989 Le Mans 24 Hours, the Sauber driven by Kenny Acheson, was measured at 400 km/h (about 248 mph). The other Saubers were doing 385 - 390 km/h. Acheson did not get pole position this way so even with the 5.8 km straight, that top speed actually resulted in a _slower_ lap time than the car of Schlesser. The gearing for Spa would be completely different and I doubt it more than 320 km/h is possible.
250 mph is exactly 400 km/h
MDDeGrande1994 It's 248.548 but it's irrelevant. The speed trap at Le Mans has only ever been calibrated in metric.
Awesome! Looks like a very stable car!
Is a Race Car for LeMans they must be stable.😎
pretty sure he's not pushing the car over 110%
That Eau Rouge overtake was bold and ballsy but man, you have a totally priceless gem in your hands, so be careful please :)
Only one way to keep her in 4 wheels to push where she actually works best
best sounding V8 ive ever heard... is much better than NASCAR in my opinion
I might add that the 3rd of the TRIO of young guns for Mercedes was the fastest, Heinz Harald Frentzen who went on earlier to F1
Schumacher then proceeded to not only destroy him in F1, but cuckold him as well. I wonder if the Group C car suited his driving style more
My fav part is 2:26 Rounds that corner then tops that thing out.
Brutallity at it's best
Very nice. I can't believe how little brakes he uses. Kinda sad that they seemed to have limited the engine so much - it could definitely go much faster on the straight.
Nope. That’s it. Top gear is probably too tall for Spa. It should max out at around 320 km/h.
@@thethirdman225normal gearing should push it to 380/390 kmh, 240 mph easily.
@@achilleconte4385 Not at Spa and certainly not ‘easily’. The Sauber used the high downforce setup at Spa, which produced about 30% more downforce than the one they used at Le Mans. Le Mans is the only place they used the low downforce, low drag aero package. Straight line speed is not that important at Spa, except up the hill on the Kemmel straight and that is not long enough for this car to get to 400 km/h. It might get to 300, maybe 310. But not 400, not at Spa.
@@thethirdman225 I agree with you, the low drag it's a useless setup at Spa, but the car itself is capable of much more than 310.
@@achilleconte4385 Not at Spa. That’s the point. There is no point claiming it could have gone faster in a straight line at Spa when there is nowhere on the track for it to do so.
May I just take a second to remind everyone Mercedes makes luxury cars? And they made a monster that sounds like this?????
At one point there were putting these monster engines in said luxury cars
@@jwilson2793 I must know more...
@@Hitherto90 literally during the late 2000s and into the 2010s, the 63 AMG cars had a 6.2L V8 shoehorned in. Were more muscle car than the American ones at the time.
Mercedes were also putting detuned versions of the M119 V8 (same as used in the C9, C11, and CLK LM) in their production cars throughout the 90’s.
@Nicholas247066 Fascinating...
if Satan drove a car, this would be it!
Satan sold his soul to Mercedes just to drive it.
I kid you not I was scrolling to go make that comment
Probably the 787b but i guess thats an option as well 😂
@@BillPapakyriakou The 787b was much slower than this.
@@jayplexy5983 Then how come the C11 same 5th and the 787b 1st in the 1991 Le Mans?
Watched again. The sound
Greatest none open wheel race car
Manual gearbox a real race car and driver
my man shifting like ayrton senna like he tamed this beast the first time he drove it
Bellissima camera..
crazy how similar this is to the way i drive on gt7 just abou identical throttle and brake input racing line!
I want one.
Actually the aero on an F1 car and more downforce in general slows down a car on the straight, as goes for weight it matters less at higher speed and its not that heavy anyway...
Yeah i figure its not about speed , its about the fastest acceleration and braking
Actually you're wrong current F1 cars have probably the highest drag of any racing cars on earth, and with banned blown diffuser, active suspension, double diffuser, fan cars, ground effect etc the only downforce they can get is from the wings and the shape of the cars itself and the drag to downforce efficiency is poor, just look at Monza this year they can barely reach 320kph sometimes on the home straight and that's the lowest for a long long time.
Were Group C cars good on the Aero or were they more based on mechanical grip?
They had ground effect tunnels.
The cars produced a staggering 3 tons of downforce and in the end their lap times were the same as F1 cars of those times. So definitely both I'd say.
@@abdullahsalman9167 C11 made 2666kg of downforce at 200 mph.
Playstation ?? Flying in Belgium !! Great Turbo Sound !!
Pra se ter uma ideia, um super carro atual como o koenigsegg one 1 vira 2.32 nessa pista, enquanto um carro do começo dos anos 90 consegue fazer em 2.05, ainda vale ressaltar que o c11 está com preset de endurance, esse motor suporta mais potência.
Absolute bs that you're comparing a literal race car to a road legal car made for straight line speed. Sthu clown. Race tires. Better aero. Way better power to weight ratio. What do you expect?
Meanwhile it's 2022 and pole lap for Hypercars at Spa was a 2'02.518. This C11 just 2.5 seconds off the poll! Wow
Hypercar class is nothing to write home about, at least not this year. I think even LMP2 beats the C11 time. Now 2019 LMP1s would trash all of them with sub 2min.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 100% true. IMSA prototypes I think are much faster than hypercars at the moment, and nothing compares to the 919 or even the Toyota LMP1s after the 919 retired. Still, it's interesting to compare.
And now the gr010 and Ferrari 499p doing 2 min flat.
@@Jesko.True, but to be fair this is some good race car driver driving this car likely for some rich guy at a classic Group C race. Not only is the car 20+ years old, but they don't have a big manufacturer team working with them to make it faster either.
All that being said put a Toyota or Ferrari hypercar at their max specs (520Kw and 1030kg) and they'd go well under 2 minutes.
Maybe he is referring to the redline at just 7200 rpm.. I don't know what this engine would have done if pushed to it's limits in a qualifying setup...
Jonathan Arena About 8000
good question. judging by the cornerspeed i'd say: aero all the way. not sure, though.
Very impressive. That's as fast as a Rebellion Lola Toyota at this years(2012)WEC qualifying went...
modern F1 cars may have more downforce, but they're also more efficient (i.e. less drag).
but just to answer your first question, i'd say 1000-1100 BHP, as with most of the other Group C cars.
Group C cars were not made for massive power outputs. It was a fuel allocation - i.e.: _fuel economy_ formula. Rumours of 1,000 hp are everywhere but they are mostly exaggeration. This car put out about 720-730 hp on 1.9 bar boost.
@@thethirdman225 they're not an exaggeration, but rather what power output they could achieve in qualifying trim. It was not uncommon for teams to crank up the boost to the absolute maximum for a few laps in qualifying to maximise top speed on the straights to try and edge out a laptime. In race configuration the 1000hp setting would chew through too much fuel and screw up their pit strategy, not to mention the reduced reliability of the engine from the added stress.
Overall the M119 was rated for about 950 horsepower unrestricted, which would be fine for qualifying but not for full race spec. During races it'd run 730 to 850 horsepower
F1 cars make more drag.
Awesome car awesome noise!
What a beast
thats nearly 19 second faster than Mclaren Senna lol
Is group c back then???
When men were men and cars were cars
:facepalm
Most overused ridiculous comment over 😂
@@J.g00022 You mean your comment ? Thats totally correct :D
these cars are heavier and have less aero than present-day F1 cars.
But these seem to be all out speed demons fir a track car
I thought he was gonna hit that Lancia LC2. Scared the crap out of me.
What sort of power is it running? because if you look on the speed then even the current F1 cars are quicker on the straights with 700hp
Not really. The C11's predecessor, the Sauber C9, once hit 400 km/h. No F1 car has ever gone that fast in race trim. These cars have between 700 and 800 hp, depending on boost. The big thing is torque and the Sauber's torque was its best feature.
@@thethirdman225 Their advantage was that the downforce was stable ) Front and rear ) Second was that their fuel consumption was lower than the others due to that they are running low boost on this engine. Third was that the drivability of the engine was superior to the others. The tourqe cuve is flat from 3-7000 rpm.. Therefore they only needed a 5 speed gearbox
Hell yeah!!!!!
BEAST
A real racecar!
sauber c9 most beautiful le mans machine ever
@MetaKnightsKirby boost limitation.
Price of this car?
Eh... I say anywhere around $19 million or higher
Infinite price, you have to match the price with Mercedes, it's an exclusive racing car.
OMGGGGG!!
Pure glory
Holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!! This is epic:D
R e s p e c t
awesome piece of mercedec car engineering, beautiful, sexy, fast, noisy... !
Aaaah zer zound, zer zound . . . rawlin sunder.
nice heel-and-toe braking
nice mate
And to think no paddle shifting
As a Nascar, I have to agree with you, lol!
Please uploads good wersion this film !!
This car is actually faster than a Koenigsegg one:1 by 20 seconds😱
Bruh this car was made more for the track than the Koenigsegg One:1 :)
Also don't forget group c 🔥🔥🔥🔥
This car isn't far away from 1:1 power to weight :-)
Reminds me of Need for Speed 3 back in the late 1990s
As if the El Nino would have a chance haha :D
Wow
WoW
why cant you hold the steering wheel properly Bob?
John Wilson :D
After driving that you would get out a nervous wreck
Both :)
I would be a second quicker given the chance
2:12
...DAMN 0_0!
Thought the same!!
F1 cars have shorter gear ratios meaning the have better acceleration but less top speed
Same acceleration from 0 to 200 kph as todays f1 cars!!!
Im a huge Porsche 962C fan, but the C9s & 11s are all about speed and the 962C is endurance.
0:33
Bruttaly intelligent.
The hell? THis car goes from 100-200 in 3 seconds
xXAlmdudlerXx 950 horses
I'd daily it