MPG, DEF, Oil Usage: 2023 Chevy Silverado 1500 3.0L Duramax Diesel Towing
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- We took our long-term 2023 Chevy Silverado 1500 3.0L Duramax diesel on a long towing trip. Publisher Tim Esterdahl details the trip, MPG, DEF and oil usage plus other quirks that came up on the trip.
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I drove my LZ0 (stock) 2200 miles towing 5,000lbs. Left with full DEF and added only one 2.5g Peak DEF, 1 quart of oil and averaged 16mpg cruising 65mph - 70mph. The truck ran perfect, and trans oil never got over 200F. Truck is awesome.
Check your trailer's bearings. I pulled a 6K trailer in the hills and mountains of Tennessee/Virginia for 500 miles at 65 to 70 mph and got 23 mpg.
I drove from Maine to South Dakota with a 7x16 aluminum trailer, 1 trike and one Ultra. I mimicked his results exactly, I love the truck no problem.
@@TheBasstead1 23 MPG LOL
@@scottdebenedetto8073 But did you love Sturgis to hell with the truck LOL
Are you guys towing with 3.23 or 3.73 axle? I’m thinking of buying one with the lz0 but can’t decide if going with the 3.23 or 3.73, i have a 8k trailer that i will be towing sometimes
Love your old 62 truck. THe way you upgraded the driveline but kept alot of the old patina makes it very special.
I have a '23 AT4 with the LZO. Tow my boat here and there. 7000 miles on the truck so far, mostly highway and I've gone through 8 gallons of DEF. I've towed my 6K boat about 700 of those 7000 miles. 17MPG towing with boat in the hills of Central WA state. Power is great. Best driving truck I've owned. Last truck was a 2013 F150 FX4 SCREW with 3.5 Ecoboost. Great power in that truck and about 2-3 MPG less while towing. Rear springs of the AT4 are WAY BETTER than the Ford.
Good video!
I got a SLT for 5 months ,about 16000 miles and no oil consumption to worry about , less than 1/2 quarter every oil change. I was worry about the oil consumption, so I did the break in very easy and nice, nothing crazy for this first 1000 miles and I think that worked pretty good for the engine components. So far very happy.
I have the exact same truck. Even same color. My def goes for ever when not towing. I tow a 4k boat weekly not a huge distance. Still filling def 1 time per oil change at 5k. I use truck stop def it is MUCH CHEAPER than the jugs but I understand not everyone has a truck stop close by. Thanks for the review. Its spot on. Seats, tech issues are the same on my truck. Thanks.
I'm finding a difference between using the Jugs vs def from the Pump. I actually think I'm getting more DEF in the tank then I am with the Jugs. They both say full on the not so accurate gauge. However, I think the pump gives you a better top up because of the auto shut off at the pump as apposed to guessing when it's full with the jugs so you don't spill it down the side of the truck.
Great video! As you mentioned, going to the truck fill-up stations will be the best option to purchase DEF. They have high sell volume and its always fresh, plus it's way cheaper - around $2.5/gallon here in California. And of course, towing goes through def like it's thirsty 😂
First off, excellent vid. Second, not trying to nitpick, but the DEF tank is 5.3 gallons. Also, you're driving along interstates for the most part. Every Love's, Pilot, etc has DEF at the big rig lanes and it is much cheaper there vs the 2.5g jugs. Yep, the LZ0 uses more DEF than the LM2 unfortunately. DEF is used to combat NOx. Higher RPM and EGTs makes more NOx. Slow down 5-10 MPH if you're extremely low or empty on DEF and need to make it somewhere to fill up. On that note, it's not like it's immediately speed limited if the DEF tank runs empty. Plus your Banks gauge should give you actual percent remaining vs the dummy bar gauge on the cluster.
Dammit. Why do I keep getting the DEF tank size wrong. I swear.
My manual for my LZO says 5.4 gallons for the def capacity 😅🤣
@@Pickuptrucktalk I have heard so many different numbers for the capacity of the DEF tank. I don't blame you struggling to remember haha. From the conflicting DEF gauge vs Banks iDash readings people have reported with these trucks, it sounds like nobody knows how much it holds!
You bought every upgrade except the most obvious one - a larger fuel tank! A 43 gallon titan fuel tank is the first thing I bought when I got this truck. Now my range is 1200 miles without trying.
Amen! 24 gallon OEM tank? That's ridiculous. My 2018 Tundra has a 38 gallon tank, and my previous 2016 f150 had a 36 gallon tank.
How much did the bigger tank add to your curb weight and reduce your towing/payload?
A few hundred pounds would be worth the range to me.
Too bad you have to stop for def and to add engine oil. Terrible truck
@@PickuptrucktalkThe additional weight is minimal. 19 gallons incremental times 7 pounds per gallon is 133 pounds.
Tons of useful info in this video 👍
my neighbor down the street just got a 2023 Chevy RST with Z71 package and the 3.0 diesel engine.
Enjoyed your video. I'm doing early research on the LZ0 for a Tahoe when that engine is offered for the 2025 refresh. I own a 2021 2500HD with the 6.6 Duramax and I tow a 33' 10,000# travel trailer. My 2500 gets on average 12.5 mpg with highs of 15 and lows of 11 mpg. DEF usage is about 1700 miles per tank while towing. Oil consumption is near zero, understanding this is a completely different power plant. All in my experience is very close to yours including the DEF and fueling challenges while trailering. A game changer for me is when I started using the Open Roads app which allows me to use the commercial fueling lanes at most truck stops. So fueling is easy, DEF is right there, you get bulk fueling pricing. After the fees and service charge, I see about a 30 cent per gallon savings. The real benefit is the use of the commercial lanes. A lot of RVers use the app especially the diesel motorhomes. I think the plan is limited to products on the commercial lanes, so no gasoline.
I have a 22 trail boss with the LM2. Just finished a 2500 mile round trip with 7000lb payload in a 22’ enclosed cargo trailer.
3 containers of DEF. 1 litre of oil. 15.6 MPG overall.
Not bad with the larger tire package.
Average 65 MPH.
If you don’t mind - what trim and roughly how much did you pay? Looking at one now
@@tonymartucci7097 I paid 70 Canadian. It has the LT2 trim. Leather and sunroof plus plus
I just bought 22 trail boss. Good to hear cause there lots of information out there and not always reliable. I will not be towing so should be good for me. Thank you.
Yeah I really like it to that the camera comes on when you turn signal on on my AT4 1500
I did a 3600 km trip on my 2021 LM2 this winter towing the sled trailer loaded and was absolutely blow away by how much Def this thing used. I was 4 jugs total.
I think it’s usage is high in general even when not towing. We drove from a 6600 km road trip this summer and I used 2.5 jugs.
My 17 cummins burned a jug every 6 months with the same driving habits. I’m putting a jug in every 4 weeks currently. 95 percent highway driving.
Regarding the oil consumption- I’m convinced the dealership oil is the problem. When I am running valvoline I don’t get any burn off. The AC Delco stuff alway burns off a quart by the time I’m down to 30%.
Good review!!! I’ve got no patience for oil burning in 2024 that plus def = no bueno.
It’s in there programming. My 6.2 used qt every 1500 miles. J&L oil separator and a tuner that shut DFM off. Now I add 1 qt between 5000 miles oil change. Get a tuner as soon as there available.
If a person is in the market for a new truck. …. I don’t know a time in history where we had more options for pure capability. These half ton trucks are amazing.
I just bought a 23 Silverado with the LZ0. It’s really an amazing truck. I was able to stretch it out to 34 mpg on a recent trip. The amenities are awesome. The trailer towing cameras and towing apps are a huge plus. There are a few minor quirks, like no 12v outlet. But overall this is THE truck to buy for most people.
@@wheel1775 I’m going to buy a new truck sometime in 2024. I absolutely love the looks of the current Chevy Silverado both 1500 and HD. It took a few years to grow on me, but I really have grown to appreciate it’s unique style. It reminds me of the 1960-66 truck. I learned to drive in a 65.
I’m either going to get the 1500 with the diesel in the High Country or the Ford Powerboost in the Platinum. I like the generator in the Powerboost and really like the interior of the F-150 Platinum.
I prefer the exterior of the Chevy.. the dash of the Chevy but I prefer the seats and center console of the F-150.
I believe the Chevy is more reliable, or that’s been my experience over the last 45 years of driving and owning pickups.
@@bret9741 I’ve been mostly a Ford guy. I was planning on getting a 23 F-150, but the inflated prices held me back. I accidentally stumbled onto the LZ0 Chevy’s. I was leaning toward the big screen of the F-150 or the Tundra but the Chevy interior is more practical I think.
Definitely do your homework on the Silverado. There are so many options that it’s mind numbing. If you tow, definitely get the tow packages. The extra cameras are amazing. There is even a trailer weight option in the infotainment system. Not sure how it works yet but it seems awesome.
@@wheel1775 For the money, the GM trucks with this engine are a pretty compelling option as long as you have a good dealer nearby that isn't playing games with prices. An inline-6 diesel with great fuel economy and solid towing performance is a really great option.
Re the auto HVAC, it is normal to blow A/C only at the main vents. Most people would get cold feet from A/C blown on them for too long. I actually almost never use the combined; top vents for air; floor (aka heater) vents for heat (usually combined with defrost because winter sucks).
Thanks for the videos Tim. Get the Def blue jug only if necessary. Every tuck is different. Usage is general and so many variables. Where you are and how you drive and time of year are biggies. Yes, GM needs larger fuel and Def tanks. Generally I drive easier then many people. I get less mileage with mine, but I use far less Def then you do and others I've heard about. The " you are set to driver 2" message you talk about, and being a probable tech issue? No it isn't a tec problem. It's Operator error. To fix that, start using the other key fob. The key fobs are what determines the setting there. Key fob 1 and key fob 2= Driver 1 and Driver 2. Or program it with the easy out button. We love ours. Happy driving.
Is it physically painful to have to lift the DEF jug up to fill the tank?
Have 2021 Silverado 1500 LM2, never had problems with oil usage. Pulled camper from Nebraska to South caroline in July 23 and back covering about 3weeks. Had oil change about 2 weeks, was down about 1 quart.
That's normal oil consumption industry wide at this point. Toyota and Honda both state their engines normally burn up to 1 quart every 1200 miles, even the sedans and crossover SUV's that don't tow.
Mt old 253k mile LBZ thankfully I add zero oil every 5k since it uses none. Maybe I just got lucky, idk. Towed heavy through mountains on 1600 mile trip. Zero issues. No oil consumption either. Also, 16.2 mpg hand calculated towing, plus all the power I'll ever need. I'll stick it with the older trucks!
My 2022 3500hd seems to use less than half the DEF yours does, and I’m pulling a 35 foot fifth wheel.
This whole video makes me want to switch to HD!
I have a 2021 Silverado RST (LM2 3.0 duramax engine) since 32 months with almost 50k miles on it. The 2 first oil changes were done at the dealer for free. It was a deal they had when I bought it new in Ontario, Canada. I change the engine oil every 6k miles. After the 2 first oil changes I've been doing the oil changes myself with Amsoil engine oil. It burn alot less engine oil since I've switch to Amsoil!! For DEF it hardly use any without a trailer or with a small trailer (2500 lbs.) behind it. But hook a bigger trailer on it (like 8000 lbs.) and the DEF tank will go down quite a bit faster on it especially if you push it!!
It’s just crazy that a modern engine burns oil. I always thought that was a bad thing. I wouldn’t want my truck burning oil making me check it frequently
I've talked to so many ASE certified mechanics and engineers who have all shrugged their shoulders at oil usage. What I mean is they seem to think the opposite: all engines use some oil.
Not all modern engines burn oil. This Should be a class action lawsuit if it’s not filed already.
This thing burns as much oil as a rotary.
2022 F150 5.0 taking only 1/2 quart between 6K mile oil changes while towing 3500# single axle RV trailer, couldn't be happier ! If no headwind getting 12 mpg @ 70 might, so with 36 gal tank liking my range. I'll stick with my F150 !
A lot of them do, and all have an acceptable oil consumption rate that is in the manual. Even everyone's favorite Toyotas, Nissans, and Hondas. Inevitable, especially with these ridiculous 0w-16 and 0w-8 oils. Some BMWs are worse than this truck and it is considered acceptable. I keep saying, the solution is to run the special Amsoil 0w-20 developed for this truck. It is thicker than the 0w-20 from the dealership , much closer to a 5w-30 than a 0w-20, and it handles fuel dilution well. It will not burn oil on the Amsoil, or at the very least not as much. The stock oil is 7.8cst at 100c. The Amsoil 0w-20 light duty diesel is 8.9cst at 100c.
When I ordered my 2019 Revel I was able to option in a 33 gallon tank. Worth every penny of that extra $500. Every full size truck should have a 30+ gallon tank as (at least) an option.
Just some additional information. I took my ‘23 GMC SIERRA with the LZ0 on a 2800 mile road trip (no towing, starting mileage about 6000). I averaged 27.9 mpg, used about 2 gallons of DEF, and added 16 ounces of Mobil 1 ESP X2 oil (0W-20) to bring it back to full. Probably about 95% highway driving.
Similar trip 2700 miles in a Duramax suburban LM2 and we got 26.9mpg. no oil use. Fit a 2.5 gallon jug of DEF in it when we got back. 90% highway but some extended idle time keeping the dogs cool while we stopped along the way.
With my 23 GMC Sierra LZ0, I don't seem to have the oil usage issue at all...knock on wood. I even towed my 30' camper on a 1200 mile trip and the oil stayed in the normal range. I check my oil way more than I normally would because of your videos, but it is always full. I did see an uptick in DEF usage while towing, but when I'm not towing, it seems to barely use any. Just my experience in the first 10,000 miles.
I know GM says it is normal to burn that amount of oil per 1,000 miles, but it just seems excessive. Puts a lot of liability on the owner to check and add oil frequently. Majority of owners are not diligent in checking oil levels.
That is concerning. Most people aren’t accustomed to checking oil anymore.
If the oil is burning off, does that mean fuel is bypassing the rings also? That concerns me that the fuel is contaminating the oil.
That being said, I did just buy a Silverado with the LZ0, so I’m holding my breath.
@@wheel1775 The engine seems to be great overall. Good hp/torque with excellent mpg. But the excessive oil consumption is concerning. I doubt GM will pay the bill if owners damage their engine by running it out of oil between oil changes.
@@wheel1775 Fuel washing down the cylinders would be a concern with lots of idling and around town driving. Get gauges and monitor your EGTs.
@@wheel1775 Get an oil analysis.
@@wheel1775 Better yet, get a Toyota.
I don't tow a lot with my diesel cayenne but it's a 3.0 v6 and doesnt even use that much def in an entire oil change. Thankfully my one ton diesel is pre emissions. I really like the idea of this motor being an inline 6 is usually a better motor.
I don’t tow enough for it to matter, but I do notice with these smaller diesels the MPG drop is much greater when towing than the 5.9 Cummins I’ve had. It was 24/19 vs 29/13.
14:15: The straight six sounds awesome loaded and accelerating.
Your Banks can monitor DEF fluid level from a % scale of 100 being full 25 being 1/4 - 0 empty. If that helps you monitor.
Excellent video.
I'd be very curious to see a similar video if anyone has a link for a new Tundra.
As this, LZ0 Chevy/GMC or a '24 Limited are where I'm at I think for options.
Interesting about your tranmission temp... My '23 HD Duramax, transmission runs at 142* under no load, or with 10,000lb trailer. Great videos!
Yeah I would like to see an auxillary trans cooler on this truck. I'm glad they run pretty cool when unloaded but 195 to 200F is pretty high. I would be changing my trans fluid every 30 or 40k if I towed often with this powertrain. Still better than the stupid temperatures that GM ran the 6-speeds at. They would run 195F unloaded from what I have seen. This 10-speed might actually benefit from a different trans cooler bypass thermostat. Odds are, the cooler bypass is forcing the transmission to operate hotter while towing than it needs to.
Nice video. Given that it’s new I don’t expect a lot of issues with this truck and I don’t think you’ve had to return to the dealer for anything. I’d love to see how the engine holds up at 50K miles. It would be neat when you sell it to follow up with the new owner to see how it holds up long term. Perhaps you could consider that. My issue with this truck is bed size - wish they would offer two sizes like the eco diesel did. Thanks!
Chevy has two bed lengths for these trucks. Short bed 5ft10 or standard bed 6ft7.
One additional comment - reading so many comments and watching a couple of well known vlogs that focus on the Duramax, sounds like the LM2 (while a bit less torque and HP) is proving to be a better engine in terms of DEF usage and oils consumption while getting same mpg…. Thoughts on that?
I’m curious about your transmission updates wondering if you could use your contacts at GM and ask about them. I agree that getting rid of the heat will increase longevity and performance but I read a lot about the new fluids and emissions controls that the oem wants that transmission to be hot for fuel economy?? Any thoughts I know the 8hp70 in the ram wants to be at 88 Celsius for maximum efficiency? Great video!
The only time I have had issues with my 3.0 is when I get def from a pump. I’m almost at 100k miles so overall I’m happy but had issues twice from the pump so I stick to jugs.
I like the upgrades that you've had done to your truck. I wasn't surprised about the oil at all. The air bags are a super upgrade. GM needs to put a little larger fuel tank on their trucks for sure. I wish GM had an option for a 48 to 50 gallon fuel for the HD trucks.
And a 20 gal. tank for DEF
@@ronhanway9384 Now that's funny.
I love the this engine but a friend of mine had a similar result when towing. He was towing a 20’ cargo trailer and couldn’t make 275-300 miles without filling DEF tank.
@@ronhanway9384 Why do guys make such a big deal about DEF? Is it physically painful to hold a 2 gallon jug up above your waist in order to pour it in? Is $15 for a jug of DEF a crushing blow to your finances?
@@ronhanway9384 Your friend probably had the issue with the baffle inside the engine that was revised. The supplier had an issue with the plastic molding and it was allowing oil vapor to leave through the pcv system and enter the combustion chamber. That resulted in more oil consumption than normal and more DEF fluid being used. GM has a TSB fix for that issue.
I hauled a 6000 lb sailboat 900 miles and got 19 mpg with my Ecodiesel. I baby it. Pulling at 55 is way cheaper than 65. Moving a lot of air.
I had additional transmission cooling installed in my 2001 when I had it built. I've changed fluid diligently and done very little towing though it has done many summer trips in the desert. I'm convinced that the additional cooling is the reason my transmission has lasted 355K miles.
Keeping temps in check is one thing, running at 120 degrees is another. I think at that low of a fluid temp, it's not able to adequately provide protection (either from viscosity reasons, friction enhancing aspects or fluid shear strength).
.@ALMX5DP 120 does seem incredibly low
Amsoil will practically end your oil consumption issue. I'm surprised you purchased banks products and PPE from my experience sub par at best. I would have dug into more banks stuff like diff cover that actually works. Nice video ride on
I’ve never seen a transmissions fail due to running at low temperatures, however I have seen millions of transmissions fail, running at higher temperatures
GM’s heavy duty, 10 speeds in their 2500 and up series trucks all run in the 140° temperature range with the same exact ULV trans. Fluid as in the half ton trucks.
Three-quarter ton truck 10 speeds are required to tow heavy loads, and therefore need to run at a lower temperatures to give proper protection and keep the viscosity of the oil from getting too thin which could possibly cause failure in the bearings and planetary gears
@@MarkSmith-cz3by I think that’s because the vast majority retain OEM designed thermostats which keep the fluid at a minimum operating temperature. A quick search suggests that the GM 10-speed HD transmission has a thermostat which opens at 158 degrees, and is spec’d to have level checked when between that an 170. Not sure where you’ve seen that 140 figure, as forums suggest 185-205 is pretty common, even a bit more when towing heavier. I think a GM engineer even said their transmissions and fluid are good to 250+.
Of course I’d never want mine to creep up that high but I think that the 170-200 range is pretty common and acceptable.
Love that center console, I just picked up a 23, do you have issues with the wireless charging? Mine charges for a few minutes, and then I get the orange lightning bolt.
When towing, the 3.0 GULPS down DEF. It was a huge surprise to me. Barely sips it when not towing. Way more than double. Agree, finding DEF at pump is extremely difficult.
My next truck, God willing. Lol. 3.0 '23 RST Z71 w/cloth seats. I currently own a '15 5.3 Z71 w/leather. Seats look great and clean up nice but I prefer cloth.
Hi, I would like to know if you can do a video on how to install one of those transmission coolers as well as the digital display you have on your windshield. I purchased a 2022 Chevy Silverado Duramax 3.0 i6. This is the first diesel truck that I have ever owned. I hope I don’t regret buying this Chevy Silverado.
This has been a great video! I love all the questions your review brings up. For me the big thing is the DEF usage. Yeah it get's great gas mileage (especially when towing) but you still have to stop as much as if you got lesser mileage because of the DEF. Very annoying!
I did 3.500 k miles road trip , not towing and oil consumption was 1 quarter oil , 20 mpg at 82 mph , and 5 gallon of DEF. And the truck regens every 186 to 260 miles … 2023 Silverado trail boss
Because you are ripping her bud.
DEF usage stinks. Had a feeling when the LZ0 was released and seeing the 2 DEF injectors the required DEF to meet the EPA emissions standards was going to be a burden/cost. The LM2 and the EPA standards at the time called for lower amounts of DEF. LM2 really sip the DEF. Blame the EPA
Towed my boat today, 75miles total, 65mph average, I was scared it was gonna use def, thought about going to Walmart to get some. The def level did not drop at all. Got a 23 Yukon LM2
Is $15 jugs of DEF an expense that would ruin you financially?
I imagine towing affects DEF run through quite a bit, I am about 18,000 miles on a 23 Duramax 1500 and I would say that amount of DEF used has gone down drastically through break in
Great video Tim. This DEF thing seems to be a topic of discussion often in these trucks. I drive a 5.3 gasser and tow a 7,600-pound TT and it tows great and my gas mileage is 10-11.5 fully loaded so not sure if I am quite sold on the baby Duramax yet. Payload looks pretty low on these trucks compared to my max trailering 5.3. For my next truck I am thinking about the 6.6 2500 for what I pull and even if I upgrade my trailer to something bigger, I will still have room for growth. I know people say the 3.0 gets awesome gas mileage when not towing so that is an advantage for sure, but towing doesn't seem to be such an improvement over the 5.3 or 6.2. Love your content and have you purchased a 6.6 gasser 2500 yet or done any testing just curious. Thanks, and Happy Trucking.
Nice video, very informative. It's kind of disappointing on your mileage, I have a Ram 1500, 5.7hemi, and towing my 6500lbs RV I still get 11.5-12mpg.
On my 2023 silverado I have 42,000km used 12 jugs of def so far. Uses 1 liter of oil every 6000km. So every oil change close too 2 liters. I dont tow, daily driver and for my job delivering.
Titan has a 43 gallon diesel tank that is an exact replacement with no modifications or additional parts. Uses the original sending unit and hoses.
That should do for long haul and towing. I'm seriously considering it for $1300
Do they say how much the tank weight is or how much it affects the payload rating?
If I buy a new truck it'll be the Silverado custom trail boss diesel.
I'm surprised at your DEF consumption, I towed my 1968 Jeep J3000 for 300 miles in my Colorado Diesel and didn't notice high DEF consumption and returned just under 15 MPG.
Could the driver 2 parameter thing have been tied to the key fobs? I remember a coworker talking about how they color coded their key fobs because the truck tied each key fob to the driver's mirror/seat/etc settings.
Sounds like you had the perfect trans cooler setup. I would be super happy with 150F on a 76 degree day! Shame about DEF consumption when towing. I've heard DEF usage is pretty minimal when unloaded. It's a trade off I can live with.
My lack of enthusiasm for the new Colorado has to do with the turbo gas engine and the infotainment having so many additional functions over my 2019 Colorado. All of my issues have been related to the infotainment seizing up and all have simply required shutting the truck off and turning it back on after 30 minutes.
Hi Tim when towing you will used more DEF just like in a big truck,because of the weight.
that is one nice truck
The LM2 is really the engine to have. Oil usage is non-existent on mine. DEF usage isnt bad either.
Same. ‘22 Refresh LM2
I’m hesitant to buy one because of the king cranking issues that seem to just me masked with the update
Same here. ‘22… No measurable oil consumption between oil change and a full tank of DEF will last me forever.
I agree love my lm2
The DEF to diesel usage ratio is 1gallon DEF to 50gallon of diesel regardless of the driving conditions. It is all about neutralizing the NOx that is the byproduct of burning fuel. The ratio is the same unless the fuel quality somehow causes more NOx. Now when towing, more diesel is used because of reduced MPG. Also, the DEF to empty is a calculation that the CPU does based on current average MPG.
For example, when I'm towing, the computer tells me 500 miles DEF range. Start driving on normal commute and that range gets twice as long. My setup averages 30.5MPG regular drive and 15.6MPG towing a 6,000lb travel trailer.
I did a Def delete it's ba
So is that just the factory wireless charger? mine sucks. I had to turn off fast charging on my phone to get it to charge. It would over heat and kill the phone battery.
My 2022 doesn’t seem to use oil like your saying drove it from Miami to Denton Texas and my oil was fine
Def usage on mine is different when using tow mode while towing. If I just keep it in normal mode it uses way less def. Maybe because of engine braking in tow mow and higher rpm.
Btw.. 2017 L5P..
if you are dumping oil the def/scr will choke up… when I ran full synthetic it was happening…
went to Dino.. and it slowed down oil consumption… so, now 3000 miles and added almost a pint. This was when TOWING
Def runs 5 gallons/4000 towing
Wow, that DEF usage is insane, I drive a 2021 3500 SRW Denali Diesel and add a 2 1/2 gallon box of the DEF like once every six months. I’ve driven as much as 2400 miles in one trip and never had to add any fluid, I believe mine has a six gallon tank
I can attest that it burns alot more when you are towing
@@breadn5556ya I get 10k on a full tank of Def, but if I'm towing I fill up 2.5 every 2 tanks of gas. I carry it with me.
Hey Tim,
Your 62 sounds much better now and I don’t hear any more exhaust leaks!
I use Vision X 7” headlights on my Jeep and they come with halo rings and for a few bucks you can add a box that will give you hi and low beams together while running your high beams. I use the halos for daytime running lights. Very bright with a very good beam pattern.
Now about the DEF issue. You’ve done your homework on the history and usage for towing and regular driving so, I was a little surprised that you didn’t stock up on DEF before your trip?
Gas tank size surprises me considering my 83 K30 w/454 and TH 400 and NP 205 transfer case came with dual 20 gal. tanks! I think 89 was the last year for dual tanks?
As always stay safe and healthy!
Ron
Yeah, the 62 is MUCH better.
On the DEF, I filled it up before I left and bought an extra full jug to put in the back of the truck. It is early on in the video where I discuss this.
I did catch you mentioning getting some extra DEF but, I thought you would do the math and p/u enough for the entire trip. My math is terrible so, that would be my excuse! ;)
@@RK57AZ I thought about doing a math recap, but the journey wore me out and I just didn’t take the time to track all the expenses.
I think everyone gets surprised by DEF usage and I have the 22 model and the def gauge just has a few bars to show usage and seems to have a unpredictable type of calibration one minute you’re half full, 15 minutes later it’s in the red, I should get one of those banks gauges and monitor it that way
No problem.
My dad’s 62 never sounded like yours.
It might be because, his had a 235 I 6 with a one barrel carb but it did have a 4 sp with granny first gear!
I think it was the pre runner to the 3.0 duramax? ;)
Stay safe and healthy!
Ron
The DEF and oil usage is unbelievable. Currently driving and towing with a 2019 F350 4wd crew cab Power Stroke and change my oil every 6000 miles and never had to add oil between changes. As for DEF I very seldom add it between oil changes. I have heard the newer trucks are using more DEF. Truck is at 98,000 miles.
Your truck isn't required to meet CAFE regulations. This engine burns less oil than a 5.0 Coyote.
I've not had any issues connecting my Android (Pixel 7 Pro) to my Sierra 1500 (2023) to date. Might be worth checking to see if there are any pending software updates for the truck and letting them process. Unless you're allowing those to be done as available. I had one come up over the weekend. I did have connecting issues with my 2020 Silverado LTZ Z71 periodically. Very glad that I've not had those issues with the 23 Sierra.
I've also not had any issues with user profiles coming up incorrectly in my truck. I'm the only one driving it, so my fob is the only one going into it.
As far as the DEF usage while towing... I'm curious to know how much DEF you'll use going the same distance without towing. DEF usage/requirements is one of the things holding me back from ever seriously considering getting a diesel truck.
When not towing, I forget about DEF to be honest. Only when towing do I see DEF usage become an issue.
Great video!! I just got my new gmc elevation lz0 last week and I’m having the same problem with apple car play. Very annoying. Have you found a fix or work around? Thanks
Negative. Just turn phone off and on. Or plug it in directly to the port below the infotainment screen on the passenger side.
I would like to know what your unloaded mileage is now compared to the OE setup because every mod you’ve done will decrease fuel mileage.
I have not towed yet, but I have put 2700 miles on my new 2023 Chevy 3.0 and have burned 1/2 quart of oil. However, the oil is as black as tar.
5k miles per DEF fill up with my 2022 [not towing] 6.7 Powerstroke.
Way to go!!!!!!
I'll have you know I let the advertisements run since you made an extra effort for this one.
And I'm missing the beginning of the Phillies game😂
I wish I could buy this pickup when you sell it. It's pretty much turn key for what I want.
Great content.
Question: I’m considering a new Silverado diesel (lower trim) or a 2021 Tundra with low miles. Im looking for long term reliability.
Opinion?
Flip a coin.
Waited all year for this , must of missed the post originally
I forgot about the oil usage and it wasnt on the dipstick, i totally forgot about this!:(
Running 15W-40 John Deere Plus 5-2 oil in my 2020 3.0 Duramax. I believe manufactures are pushing lighter weight oils to meet or push epa mileage ratings. I ran it through the winter as well. Ive had zero issues burning oil. I tow with it. Absolutely awesome powertrain. Had similar issue with my semi. They call for lightweight oil from factory. Engine oil weights and quality make a difference. Not at all recommending oil other than what manufacturer suggests.
15W-40?
Your engine may have a TSB out for oil consumption. There is a youtube channel called demonworks run by a guy that has owned multiple 3.0 Dmax trucks and has a video about a plastic baffle that GM identifed as causing oil consumption and increased DEF usage. You should check it out if you haven't already.
I wonder if something in the laws changed because the '23 Powerstroke loves to use DEF, especially when towing, as well from what I have read. I have a 7.3 so I don't have first-hand knowledge just what I have been reading in the forums.
Nice new truck. Come back when the warranty runs out and do another one
I ordered a 2024 GMC 1500 SLT lzo, it would be nice if I could get a list of the stuff you did for my truck
Good question. I'll have something for the website soon with a full list.
Sadly that much Def Fluid defeats the purpose of good MPG’s while towing. This is what no one is talking about, thank you for bringing it up.
I have 2023 Chevy 1500 LT 3.0
And when I used regular blu def my used 3 lines per fill up
Since the first 2 fill ups I changed to the platinum and now i barely use def Unless my truck idles more than a few hours ,when idling it uses more def
I have 10,500 miles
Also my first 2 oil changes I got it changed within 4,000 miles
Now it will be changed every 5,000 miles
Also I only use Exon Diesel
Titan has a 43 gallon fuel tank that you can get installed ,would be great for your channel
And you want have to stop as much
It's funny hearing the complaints about money spent on DEF and diesel while towing. I would have LOVED to only have to spend that much on fuel when towing with my 2nd gen Tundra. I couldn't drive past a fuel station without stopping.
Exactly.
I bought a new Harley in 2005, put synthetic oil in at first change, 600 miles, burned a quart of oil at 1500 miles. Dealer said run non synthetic oil for the next 1500 miles to allow the rings to seat. Went back to synthetic after that and never burned another drop.
No connectivity issues on mine with Android auto. One thing ive noticed though is that when im towing, sometimes when i put a turn signal on it will show the hitch instead of the right or left mirror camera on the screen. Kind of weird. 22 refresh AT4
I suspect GM is using software "engineers" from India like some other major auto manufacturers. Given that, this is the kind of software glitch you can expect.
A lot of these complaints really point to the reality and fact that this truck isn’t built for regular towing. Nearly all the modifications that he made were to help it sustain safe load leveling and reduced temps generated from working the truck. The DEF consumption alludes to the idea that it’s calibrated to be used mostly empty and to compensate for the increase emissions, it’s gotta DUMP the DEF. 99% of the issues brought up here, including fuel and DEF capacity, load carrying, temp control are ALL resolved by using an HD truck. These are the compromises of a lighter duty truck. After having owned a small diesel half ton and now an HD, i can safely say, even for the occasional towing I do, I’ll still jump for the HD. Better to have a hammer bigger than necessary than to wish you had a bigger hammer. No matter how much mod’s you put on a half ton, you wont increase its GVWR/GCWR. It also will see more wear from carrying heavy loads than an HD. So unless you only tow or haul once a year, a Gas or Diesel HD just makes more sense at least to me. I certainly wouldn’t buy new, pricing of both halftones and HD’s have gone nuts. I recently got a 2500 diesel for 19K with tons of life left in it and i plan to run it indefinitely, even making my own biodiesel if i have to.
That same container of DEF at Walmart and Sams in Maine is $15.98
That trans is probably running too cool...I would find out as I would bet those temps you reported are outside of the published temp ranges for that transmission.
Regarding DEF, I just picked up a two jug (2 x 2.5gal) of ACDelco from Amazon. Pretty good price ($22.21) and its official GM Delco so I shouldn't be hearing from GM if I have any Def related issues.
The driver 1 & 2 settings are based on the key fobs. If you swap keys you'll get her settings.
I only drive Chevy's so I have had many vehicles, car & now SUV's; 2019 are comfortable but 2009 was better. I have a severely damaged back/hip so seat comfort is very important to me, all have been cloth seats. Maybe the leather is an issue, then upgrading to leather for me might be a big issue.
Can you show us what happens when you run out of def? That would be an interesting video.
The truck comes to a complete stop. Not much of a video.
Does your Banks show you in 10th gear when towing at highway speeds? I don’t have the Banks, but am considering adding it.
I believe there is a setting that shows transmission gear.
I am getting the titan fuel tank 43 gallons for mine plug and play
I do not experience oil burning in my LZO. But I did buy and break in my truck during summer of 2023. I have always suspected oil burning in any engine is due to bad rings, bad valve seals, or bad PCV systems. IMHO, bad rings in a new vehicle are due to improper break in, improper clearances during manufacturing, or inadequate part sourcing. Leaking valve seals on a new engine can be improper manufacturing, inferior part sourcing, or improper clearances due to design.
The oil consumption is due to an issue with a baffle that a supplier didn't make correctly and there is an updated part. The oil vapor that was being pulled into the intake due to this defective part is causing increased DEF usage. Even with that issue, it isn't burning any more oil than engines from other manufacturers. Honda and Toyota tell customers that burning 1 quart every 1200 miles is normal for even their small sedans and crossover SUV's that don't tow.
Were you having issues with the trany heating up to add a cooler? Sorry If you have gone over this already. I would think with a diseal GM would have put in a heavy-duty cooling system?
No issues with tranny overheating. Just added the cooler to see how it could cool the transmission better or worse. In this case, it is much better.
I have a '21 LM2 and I have filled my Def tank 4 times in 25,000 miles (40,000km). So in 3 years I've spent the same as you have on 1 trip. Yikes!
I’ve watched almost all your videos on the 3.0 diesel and recently ordered one partly based on your reviews, my friends experiences and the lifter issues with the GM gassers. After watching your latest video about towing, mileage, def and oil usage I get the impression you have mixed feelings about the the 3.0 now ? Mileage is one of the main reasons I ordered the diesel the def is a small concern but the oil use makes no sense to me-like you said this isn’t 1962. Don’t even have the truck yet but Iam starting to second guess my decision
Natural to second guess. I do it all the time! Still love the truck.