Many years ago I was pulled over on my way to the range because the officer said a "concered citizen" made a call. Right away he demanded to see my permits for these rifles. He pulled all the rifles out, called other officers. Kept demanding to see permits, or there was going to be "big trouble". That went on for some time until all of a sudden, they said "never mind", and left. Obviously, someone higher up the chain explained that we don't register here.
The Second Amendment and gun laws should be thoroughly explained and academy trainees should be required to do a test on 2A laws so that they understand to not hassle lawful gun owners. Although, there will always be a few rotten apples on the tree regardless of training.
100% with how much surveillance of the population there is, and the secret courts post 9/11, I'm almost certain there is a federal registry that we just don't know about.
Exactly, there is no legal gun registry, but gun purchases require a background check. That info goes into a data base. The FBI and ATF can access that database. It's the same as a gun registry. We all know the ATF and FBI are anti 2A, and do not play fair.
I hate it when people who aren't into guns ask me if I register my guns. As if spending the past few minutes with me obviously being cool and normal suddenly if they find out my guns are unregistered I'm going to turn into a maniac. Plus they never believe you when you explain there's no registry.
@@picklerick9578 To be fair, bump stocks are probably the worst tool for trying to do what they're built for. Even before their ban, drop in binary triggers were already the same cost and shot more reliably.
Seems like you have a persecution complex. Someone asks about something and you immediately go into persecution mode. Maybe change the way to see things and you’ll come across differently.
You need a FOID card to purchase a firearm - the government has a record of every gun you bought. Just because it's not an "official" record doesn't mean there's no record ...
I live in Washington State. Everytime I've ever bought a gun the state of Washington they ask for the name of the purchaser, the age, the type and model of firearm being bought and they also ask after purchasing where will the firearm be stored. They ask for the address of where the firearm will be for whatever future endeavors they choose. I DO NOT think that the government fed and state is asking these things and then ignoring that information. I guarantee the the Feds have illegal registries. I would bet they started back under Reagan after the Hughes Amendment was enacted. An illegal national gun registry I would bet already exists.
There was an article about how Interpol is notified whenever a firearm is purchased (through an FFL) worldwide and checked against their background system. They have no law dictating they have to erase that information from their database as they operate outside of US laws. So de facto registry. If our law enforcement asks; they will get whatever Interpol has. Don't you love your 'older bro'?
Even in states where there is no registry, the FFL keeps a copy of the 4473 as part of their recordkeeping, so the ATF can access it if ever they want. So it's not a deliberate registration, but they're still traceable if the ATF wanted to locate it.
Good point. Although I have an odd situation where my FFL purchase location closed and the owner left the state. I wonder what the requirements are regarding the maintenance of of such records.
Not only that but idk about your state but in Ga 4473 gets sent to the FBI for approval, soooo I mean I’m sure they could easily have a record of every background check gone through the system. And the background checks have your Name DOB Adress SSN and Serial Number of your firearm.
I knew a gentleman (not a firearm dealer) who was being investigated approximately 5 years ago for making homemade suppressors. In actuality, he was only doing some gunsmithing projects for people. Anyhow, he said the prosecutors had people's names, gun models, work dates, and serial numbers of every firearm he worked on that had been purchased by the original owner within the last 15 years. Most of the people were close friends whom I knew myself, which were never questioned in the matter until later in the investigation. They found nothing to indict him on, but somebody's keeping records and are watching.
Lived. Bought. And owned a pistol in one state. Got pulled over and searched in a neighboring state (claim was a loose live 9mm rnd sitting in mi ashtray gave them ras). They find my carry and "checked to see it wasn't stolen". I got ahold of the stop log later and they had a list of every gun i bought not just the one I was carrying. Y'all better believe you are on a list and they know what you have. Look at credit companies last few years. If you're building a platform from scratch at your home and buying accessories for it they can do math and assume what you have.
@@nickabel8279 i believe they mean there’s no public registry. ATF knows you bought the gun/parts (4473 for the gun) but as far as I know most citizens don’t have access to that info
If anyone thinks that background checks aren't logged and able to be easily monitored by the federal government they are fools. We are finding out every day that our federal government does things that go against the constitution and they don't give two shts about it.
That only to tell them you have purchased a firearm or attempted to. Even though it has the make and model listen on the form, its sealed and legally they are not allowed to open it except for cases listed under the privacy act. It’s essentially as private as your tax returns and is categorized as such. Private purchases and gifts are not required to fill one out either.
@@TheNate371 "not allowed" Dude, if you dont think they have a database with all that info (acting as a de facto registry) then you're incredibly naive. The government does what it wants. Everything you do is tracked traced and databased. Its over. Our tax returns are far from private, too.
@@TheNate371 Lol, that's cute that you think the government follows its own rules. The same government that recently gave our enemy $83 billion in current military equipment, but doesn't want you to have a forced reset trigger for an ar-15.
My FFL has records of firearms I’ve bought over the years and the ATF has access to those records. I’ve also bought firearms in private transactions and inherited a few without ATF involvement which is perfectly legal in Texas anyway. Also traded off and sold many of those firearms on that FFL’s books. Inventory records aren’t very effective at gun tracing, and I have horrible luck boating.
The 4473 doesn't disappear when you walk out the door with your new gun purchase. And if you own a hunting license chances are you are a gun owner. Even at the State level they have pretty good idea who owns firearms. Don't fool ourselves.
Not really, because of the 4473 form we fill out they know we bought said firearm at one time, but cannot prove it was sold to a civilian who could legally purchase one later on. And considering about 30-50% of this country has purchased at least one firearm in their life, they have a big list to look at.
U can instantly tell a non gun person when they say two things.. 1- is it registered? 2- is it automatic? Lol. Im so tired of answering these questions
Isnt this illegal? Is another for me. This was asked recently about a pump action 12g, its all black and skurry lookin but, its still a pump actions shotgun...
To be fair cops regularly say it's registered to blah blah blah when that's just who bought it... Cops tried to do this when they took my guns tried saying it was registered to my dad to even though it was mine and they gave it to him to hold on to... Sucks but the person who bought it has the most claim to the gun even if it's been given as a gift and they no longer own it
Firearms in the states techincally can only be gifted to immediate family members, otherwise its considered a straw buy in alot of cases. But you are correct in the cases of gifts from your Dad or such, no one provides a bill of sale. SHOOT in alot of private party transfers, there also tends not be bills of sale, or they get lost, damaged in floods or what have you. But how do the cops there know whose on a 4473? Generally they won't know anything unless the city/county requires registration at their level or they are stolen.
I blame the whole thing about "registered guns" on Hollywood. So many TV shows, especially those dealing with police forces and the like, have the cops say something about busting the bad guy for "unregistered firearms". However, like Eric and Chad pointed out, there is no Federal registry for the overwhelming bulk of firearms types. However, most of the TV shows are made in California or New York, so the people living there think the entire country is like their state, when it's flat out not. Plus, I think the people making those shows want people to think that, to get people used to the idea of registered firearms.
Pre 68 people walked into hardware store and walked out with a gun for cash. No license, no registry. That is free, though the serial numbers can be tracked.
@@GaMeRfReAkLIVE it's a way to get around a background check and a way felons can get guns it forsure happens call it what you like many would call that a loophole
@@Johnny-tq9no background checks are a violation of your 2nd amendment right. And people who cant be trusted with guns shouldnt be in the public. Theres no reason someone who has demonstrated themselves as violent should be in ghe public
NY Democrats: “Arrest anyone in possession of a firearm regardless if they passed a background check.” NYPD: “Okay” NY Democrats: “Get Vaccinated Now” NYPD: “ NO! That’s Unconstitutional and I’m a American Patriot.”
Jeez, I have commented on your videos about this subject before. Your guns are registered if you buy them on a 4473. It goes into the ATF's system called ETrace. I know this from personal experience when I had several handguns stolen in 2015. When the DEA recovered the gun 4 years later, they contacted me because I was the only registered buyer. I advised that it had been stolen and that there was a police report. Once I provided a copy showing it on there, they returned it after the case concluded. The ATF told me specifically how it works. So, while I did not "register" the gun, when it was sold to me the data from the 4473 went into ETrace.
@@stevexracer4309 realistically they can't have a national registration either butnits been happening since the 80s they can't make up new laws but try every day and have had some become law. So people blindly saying they're not allowed to do this is severely irresponsible. Because they literally are doing the things people just keep saying they aren't allowed to do. They obviously don't care bruh do more than say (oh they can't do that) because they literally keep doing that.
@@stevexracer4309 Mr gunsandgear talks about it if you wanna watch that. I'm on the UA-cam app so I can't copy any links to send you. Go listen to a few videos about it and then tell me who the dip was is. Boot licker.
There is no such thing as the right to own a vehicle in the constitution. The right to bear arms is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT meaning no man can take that away. Registering a vehicle to drive on the road is a privilege not a right.
@@picklerick9578 lmao you actually don’t know what you’re talking about. If a firearm is recovered in a crime and the ATF is involved with the investigation they will look up the serial number of the firearm and contact the the FFL in which it was first sold. Then they will get the contact information of the person who first purchased it and continue their investigation from there. So yea that is in fact a loophole way if registering a firearm.
@@MalevolentMind I believe he's referring to 4473s being required for sale in most places by this point. You made a private sale w/o paperwork&ffl background check? Felony! It's all bullshit totake the guns from your kids trying to make inheritance illegal. Edit: nvm just a spam poster. My point still stands though.
While this channel and this episode and the internet state our government doesn't have a registry of guns because it is illegal for them to have such a registry I think our government does have such a registry they don't talk about! When I fill out a form when purchasing a firearm there is information on this form of the serial number of the gun and what it is. Handgun, Rifle, etc. No one can tell me this information isn't kept somewhere in our government! Besides with the democrats and their anti-gun stance and their continuous assault on the Second Amendment you can't tell me there is no registry!
If you live in california, WHY do u live in california. I would never live in a gun restricted state. Its the dumbest thing you could do. Makes no sense
@@johngalt6838 its called forward tracking they can find the original owner they have a database they can pressure him with time and losing his assets to thell them who he sold it to this how my friend got busted
I had to fill out more paperwork than it would take to get a mortgage last time I went to a gun store. There is no way they aren’t trying to track absolutely everything. (Unfortunately Californian resident btw) Remember that intelligence collected by one agency will be leveraged by whoever wants to surveil/incriminate you, it doesn’t go away.
I %100 AGREE!!! This video is BS!!! This is like the NSA saying "We don't record anything...", WHEN, it was easily proven they were intercepting all emails from a server, then searching for specific "terrorist words" within each e-mail...The MERE EXISTENCE of the data base, IS IN FACT BY BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY, a REGISTRATION!!! If NOT the case, the "background check" REGISTRY, WOULDN'T REQUIRE the MAKE/MODEL ANNNND SERIAL # of EVERY gun purchased...These doofuses are JOKING, RIGHT??? Talk about cognitive dissonance!!! "My beliefs are valid/justified, just as long as I IGNORE my current reality..." AND..."It's NOT a REGISTRY, as long as I call it something else..." It's NOT a "gun registry", just like Stalin wasn't the most evil man to ever exist...
Your dealer is required by ATF to keep sales records, have them available, turn over to ATF when requested specifics, and when shop closes turn over those records....A de-facto registry
In Maine I had a gentleman ask me if my weapons are registered. He was astonished to find out in Maine there is no registry. And we have Constitutional Carry.
@@picklerick9578 I have said other things, but doesn't registration always lead to more control and stricter laws on firearms owners? In other countries and even in American states, firearms are restricted or "run by" state government(s) with certain firearms being confiscated and with Red Flag laws in American states - trying to do this in the U.S., beginning the confiscations aspect? I have used that phrase very sparingly, but it is what this government wants, especially now, is it not?
@@GmanGSW Yes, I get what you're saying. But here's what you're telling yourself. "Here. If I post this rhetoric, I'm surely going to be exchange new information and not preaching to the same choir of people that already have heard this multiple times." Do something about it. That's all I'm saying. Rather than just circlejerk, do something
What happens when the aft decides to go gather up all the 4473's? When a gun shop shuts it's doors all them records go to the aft, at that point them records become a registered loophole. They must absolutely hate private sales of firearms.
The Kennesaw law was enacted as a response to Morton Grove, Illanoid passing an outright handgun ban. It was more of a defiant political statement than an enforceable law.
Well, every time I've bought something through a dealer, they've sent everything about me and the firearm to the state for a background check. No amount of talking is going to convince me that they don't keep those details, or share them with the feds.
The government is not legally supposed to keep a record of that but the FFL does for 20 yrs. If the Feds go to an FFL with a warrant or the AFT does an "inspection" of records then they get to look over the records. But they are STILL not legally supposed to keep permanent records that could be considered a gun database or registry.
What state do you live in? When I buy a firearm in my state, Alaska, the FFL has me fill out the 4473 and a quick FBI background check is done and I walk out with my new pew pew. There is no registration. There is no way to know how many people own guns in my state. Unless your state has a state wide gun registration, than what your calling a "registration" is not, it's just the normal FBI background check.
@@BooDamnHoo right so the feds use loop holes like you just mentioned. I honestly don't care what tool or how they infringe upon my rights, i only care that my rights are infringed upon. And if you or anyone else says otherwise or justifies the means to the ends, than you are not pro 2a. Its just that simple.
I live in NH in the Vermont border and Vermont is turning into New York very fast and NH is holding strong as many Massachusetts people move up and try to change the gun laws
I too live in NH and I always tell people that move here to leave their politics where they came from. They then say i didnt ask about that I then reply with well I just wanted you to hear it lol.
I agree 💯% ... when you look under the surface, gun “laws” and bans are nothing more than low hanging fruit for a particular ideology to do an end run around basic human rights and the Constitution.
I'll tell you all this. I've flown domestic many times with firearms, and when they take your gun into a room where "you can't go" to "inspect your firearm", I DO BELIEVE they run that serial number on your gun and therefore, REGISTER that gun back to your state if that's not the state you're flying out of.
Seems to me like every time I've had to do an FBI background check when purchasing a gun, the seller submitted the serial number of the weapon with the application for the check. Don't you think perhaps the same system that's performing the records check is recording the serial number and your name? Sounds like a registry to me.
@@jesse1136 it's usually filled in on the seller's portion of the form. All the places I buy from fill their portion in on the computer and then flip the screen around and have me type in my info to finish the process.
I get the “I wanna take it outa my name & put it in my wife’s”… I have to explain “I can charge you $30 to background check your wife, but it isn’t in anyones name”. Like you said, usually have to explain it five different ways haha
It actually is they can see who did the background check last I've had this happen where cops came looked up my guns and said this is in your dad's name and took it to my dad
I’m from Michigan which is actually pretty gun friendly. You buy a rifle or shot gun after your background check and go home. But with handguns you do the same background check. Gun store keeps a copy of the registration for it. You get one and you have a 3rd one that you have 14 days to turn in to your local police station in your city you live in
I had a friend who's mom worried about food availability ( 1980's ) and so she moved to Vermont to set up a homestead with gardens and orchards. And at no point did it occur to her the hungry people could just come and take her food. Maybe no matter what you do they can do that, but she did not even think about it. We also just got magazine size restrictions so the liberals are having an effect. ( but if the mag is small or "bought before x date" then carry is still constitutional. Just um stay the heck away from NY boarder.
Vermont vs New York is a great example of the study of heavy gun control vs limited gun control. Violent crime is much lower in Vermont where you don't require handgun permits or have state bans on ARs, etc. In NY, we can't have 20 or 30 round mags, must spend hundreds of dollars and six months or more "applying" for a handgun permit, and crime is up. It's nuts.
"We also just got magazine size restrictions so the liberals are having an effect." Our Republican Governor signed that law after the Las Vegas shooting, which included banning bump stocks. It literally had nothing to do with liberals.
The Kennesaw law WORKED and that's why it was never removed. In the first year that law was in place, ALL crime was reduced by over 85% from the previous year the law did not exist. The second year the law was in place crime reduced even further over 15% from the previous, the first year the ;aw was in place. So in two years crime in that Georgia town was almost completely non-existant and continued to be one of the lowest in the country for many years later. If most towns in this country made this kind of law then the crime rate in this nation will drop dramatically and reduce almost all crime to inner cities.
We don't even register most long guns in Canada. A bunch, like the AR15 were recently banned, but you can own a Tavor or a Type 81 without registration, despite them doing all the same things that an AR does. Might have something to do with the countries they're made in...
@@picklerick9578 The PAL registers you, not your guns. That tells the Canadian government tou have at least one non restricted category guns. But that gun could be a Remington 700 bolt action or an IWI Tevor. The RCMP has no way of knowing. And as soon as Harper ended the Long gun registry in 2010, many Canadians sold or otherwise transfered their guns multiple times with the intent of causing the government to lose track of who had what gun. No they did not lose them in a boating accident, but rather they transferred them to other owners multiple times and thus the purchaser of reccord in Canada is now basicly useless for the RCMP to track down those guns.
My father in-law inherited a S&W 38 snub nose, and wanted to sell it, but wasn’t getting what he thought he should for it, so he decided to keep it, on the premise that “It has more value because it’s not registered to him” 🤦♂️ I wasn’t gonna argue, besides, when he passes, I’ll get it..
Keep the 10th alive and well:) Personally, I think the 10th is the most consequential Amendment; for good or bad. Also, it's the best way for all sides to settle "hot button" issues. Whatever one's politics, move to a State that closes resembles one's own values and beliefs.
Unfortunately people won't move based on their politics, they'll move based on their finances. When left leaning states have skyrocketing costs of living, the people there leave and bring their political beliefs with them.
@Gaydolf Shitler My point was just that, person-to-person are essentially un-registerable transactions. While, anything you buy now at an FFL is essentially defacto registered.
On federal level. State has to have access to that database. My neighbor told me when cops were called to his property they knew exact number of firearms he possesses.
We don't register guns in Florida either. It's actually illegal under statue number 790.335 in Florida to have a gun registry or to keep records of privately owned firearms.
One of mine is absolutely registered. It was bought in CA and someone else has a copy of the receipt over there still. I'm better off treating it as if it was than acting like I'm under the radar and then being surprised later when they know.
I have watched many of your videos over the years and y'all do a great job. I don't normally comment on videos but I have become increasingly fed up watching this country go down the drain. Just a few years ago I would agree with most if not all of what you said however, I feel it is foolish to believe that anything you thought to be so is so. Look what happened in your great State of Georgia in the last national election.
Why are you teasing him? He is very clearly implying that he doesn’t believe that the electoral college of Georgia did not follow the popular vote for the POTUS in 2020. If you have a reply, do so, but don’t dance around the bushes by teasing him with a sarcastic question.
I don't care how you twist things .The 4473 and NICS is a form of registration .I worked at a gun shop where one of the guns we sold was used in a crime .It may take a while but they can trace most guns .
When you purchase a new firearm, your name is on a form that includes the serial number of the firearm... otherwise you'd have no warranty rights. The existence of that form means the government will have access to that information if they choose to. I know this is not the same as registering your firearms with the ATF, but it will be when this current federal government decides to gather that info. The only safe gun is one that does not have your name attached to it on any form anywhere. The only 100% safe gun is one with no serial number.
The most important thing we learned here is IV8888’s family makes bomb ass ice cream and we need some of it. J/K guys lol very informative, love watching these things.
As soon as you buy a firearm in Washington State the FFL where you purchased it reports the model, your name, address, phone number, email address, and drivers license number to the local police where the buyer lives.
I live in communist MD, and its pretty bad. I live in Western MD and most ppl r working class, hunt, fish, shoot. But we have 2 live under the tyranny from the baltimore and annapolis area. 1st they made it to where, if u sell or buy a pistol, u must take it to a gunshop n transfer it. Now, they just got it through where that has 2 b done w/ rifles n shotguns as well. I cant even lend my buddy a rifle to go hunt with, its soo crazy. I purchased a semi auto shotgun once at a local sporting goods store, then ordered a popular stock for it, just by absolute chance, i stumbled upon the MD ban list, and found out that if i put that stock on that shotgun, id b a felon, how insane is that. Most ppl in MD have no idea what is on that list. Plus red flag laws, and the fact that the average citizens cannot acquire a carry permit, impossible. I had a friend, split up w/ his gf who was a bit crazy at the time, she filed a protective order which is standard now, every breakup ive witnessed, the chick files an order just 2 b spiteful, then the sheriff shows up for your guns. But ne ways, they split up, he stayed w/ his dad until he got a place, she violated the order n busted in at 2am, he called the police, trying to do the right thing. They came, told her 2 leave, didnt charge her, she sat outside for an hour refusing 2 leave, eventually left, police left. 1 month later, he was getting up for work at 4am, sees a bunch lights outside, its a swat team raiding his fathers house. He yells through the door, telling them they have the wrong house lol, they hit the house, put him on the ground, turns out that they r the MD gun task force which travels the state seizing firearms. Apparently, while the police were there, they seen a shotgun shell box sitting in the other room, the cop put a red flag order in because he had a protective order, she lied on the order n said that it was his house. They seized all of his dads guns and gun related items, ammo, reloading stuff, made him open his gun safe or they would cut it open. He eventually got them back through the courts but it took months n several rifles n scopes were really beat up, n were family guns. Ppl think that tyranny isnt taking place, your wrong, i see it regularly here
A little off topic, but I’ve wondered why when you fill out the information for a background check is there a question that specifically ask if you’re Hispanic or non Hispanic then the very next question ask for your race? It seems to be directly scrutinizing Hispanics. Maybe I’m missing something.
I have never seen someone with a clean background be turned down a firearm because of their race. And I'm in multiple of my LGS multiple times a week. I'm certain it has something to do with illegal immigration. Specific questions have nothing to do with scrutiny, it's no different from the what sex are you question. Or a good possibility is that the FBI doesn't have a picture of everyone turning in a 4473 and probably doesn't have actual people screening them. If you are Hispanic but look white, they don't want mis- identification.
The problem is, unless you bought your firearm in a private sale, your gun is absolutely registered in the ATF’s illegal database. Maybe they haven’t got to putting your gun in the database yet if it was a fairly old purchase with the old style paperwork, but the new style 4473 where all the pertinent info is on the front page? The entirely digital 4473? Yeah, those are all in a digital database. Now, if a gun is sold several times through private sales of people who got tired of it, didn’t like it, needed the money, whatever the case, then sure, maybe your gun is “really” unregistered to you. If you got it from a store in the last decade or maybe even further back, I’d bet money it’s on their “not a registry, it’s a database”
A great video. As an Australian who owns guns both in Arizona and Australia I find this subject comes up so much here in Australia. Guns are completely registered here but the very few people here who know I own guns regularly give me “I can’t believe you can own guns in Australia .” The level of ignorance is off the scale.
I know that any firearm registration or keeping of any information from sales or ? Is illegal for the federal government organization to do or keep . But you cannot convince me that they ask for your name , address, ssn, age, serial number of firearm ,type of firearm, etc depending on state. And they are not keeping said information illegally for ???
This has always been a question to me. If they don't keep track, how come a lot of people have to wait 3 days for their first firearm purchase, but then no wait when they buy more? There has to be some type of tracking.
They may not be "registered" with big brother, but the ATF forms are kept in the gun shops at the place of purchase. I do not care what you call it, the ATF form is a type of Quasia registration.
They like to use the "Ignorance is no excuse" to get people twisted up in the court system....but the problem is these laws are buried under copious amounts of bureaucratic technical legal jargon that you need a translator just to sort out what the laws are actually saying or pertaining to...and as far as passing laws that pertain to Constitutional rights (it should clearly state which Constitutional right is being referred to), the public should have a say/vote in those matters considering our Constitution was created to protect the people...making laws behind closed doors inaccessible to the public is a great example of tyranny
Your statement means the background check is the "registry" or start of it to retrieve the 4473 form IF THERE IS A CRIME aka recovery that really don't mean shit at that point, unless it's theft.
Being in tech consulting for 30 years I can tell you every bit of info that goes over the net is stored and can be retrieved or diverted to other databases. So yes if you purchase a firearm legally that info is there.
I live in Texas and I have heard people say "I bought a gun yesterday and I got it registered and everything at one place". When I tell them no, you didn't register your firearm, they say "yes I did, I filled out that form". Why are people so eager to register their property even if they don't have to or , in the state of Texas, you can't?
Found this out a few years ago when I wanted to sell a pistol to a friend. Went to local gun shop to see if there was a form to "register" to the new owner. Shop owner said "Doesn't exist and not only that it's not registered in YOUR name. I think I thought went I went through my first background check for a purchase that I was "registered". Now some states like Illinois which just passed a law banning the sale of semi automatic guns, including pistols, are making folks register their currently owned guns. The courts will decide if the law stands...or not. It can be safely assumed that the criminals/thugs/gangs that actually run Chicago will NOT register their guns. Most of them wouldn't clear a background check to carry a rock or a stick.
Except, that only tells them who bought the gun originally from the store. It doesn't follow the gun if you then sell it to someone else, gift it to someone, lose it, or breaks and you throw it away, etc So if the ATF comes to your house because you bought a gun 15 years ago, you can just tell them any of those things....oh I sold that gun 10 years ago. There is nothing they can do, you don't have to report/register any of that movement after the fact.....except for those states that actually do have registration. This is why people always say, they'd just say they "lost it in a boating accident" because that WOULD WORK...you don't have to report if your gun is lost or whatever as I already mentioned.
@@PreppinShootinLivin unless you live in WA they make you do a transfer everytime you buy or sell a gun from an person if lost or stolen and used in a crime before you find it gone and report it you are on the hook for the crime no matter what you are guilty of the crime the way the law is written
@@PreppinShootinLivin yeah we all know all you have to do is shooo the pesky aft away and they’ll all leave with their heads downs. No they will knock you door in, shoot your dog and tear apart your house and not find anything. But it’s ok because you think they will follow “law” where’s your common sense
Many years ago I was pulled over on my way to the range because the officer said a "concered citizen" made a call. Right away he demanded to see my permits for these rifles. He pulled all the rifles out, called other officers. Kept demanding to see permits, or there was going to be "big trouble". That went on for some time until all of a sudden, they said "never mind", and left. Obviously, someone higher up the chain explained that we don't register here.
The Second Amendment and gun laws should be thoroughly explained and academy trainees should be required to do a test on 2A laws so that they understand to not hassle lawful gun owners. Although, there will always be a few rotten apples on the tree regardless of training.
Your neighbor is a a hole
@@josephrogers8213 cops sound like a holes as well
@@Miller_Time NAZI'S GESTAPO
Funny how cops are meant to uphold the law but are not being taught the law.
Never let them make registration, that's what lead us down a dark path in Europe.
same stuff in Russia - strict gun laws, licenses, registrations, etc.
Move to the US 🇺🇸 we would love to have you.
Background checks = registration
@@indianabanana2179 I'd love to but it's pretty hard to do it legally. I have many guns here but it's all registered so at the mercy of politicians.
Its already there.....not publicly, of course
Great topic. The media when reporting a crime and will say the person had unregistered guns. Like that was a crime or abnormal.
4:06 there’s no gun registry on a federal level.
Let me correct that statement for you.
There is no legal federal gun registry on a federal level.
100% with how much surveillance of the population there is, and the secret courts post 9/11, I'm almost certain there is a federal registry that we just don't know about.
Exactly it’s called ATF
Nope, there is none.
Exactly, there is no legal gun registry, but gun purchases require a background check. That info goes into a data base. The FBI and ATF can access that database. It's the same as a gun registry. We all know the ATF and FBI are anti 2A, and do not play fair.
If there is no federal registry, why does the 4473 ask for the specifics of the firearm I’m purchasing? That should be irrelevant. 🤷🏻♀️
Chad's transition to 90's grunge vocalist is nearly complete. I'm so proud of him.
Blond hair and he’d be Andrew from MOther love bone
Needs to dye his hair blonde and and get a lip and/or nose ring.
But Chat can't feed on the powerless when his cup's already overfilled. He's goin hungry.
Lol
He's slowly evolving into Ian from forgotten weapons lol
I hate it when people who aren't into guns ask me if I register my guns. As if spending the past few minutes with me obviously being cool and normal suddenly if they find out my guns are unregistered I'm going to turn into a maniac. Plus they never believe you when you explain there's no registry.
Oh I know. They're the same people that call AR pistols SBRs. The wanted the ban on bumpstocks. Anything that gets too cerebral, they back out of.
@@picklerick9578 To be fair, bump stocks are probably the worst tool for trying to do what they're built for.
Even before their ban, drop in binary triggers were already the same cost and shot more reliably.
Seems like you have a persecution complex. Someone asks about something and you immediately go into persecution mode. Maybe change the way to see things and you’ll come across differently.
@@queenannesrevenge3770 Yes and the new FRT15 E3 is even better.
You need a FOID card to purchase a firearm - the government has a record of every gun you bought. Just because it's not an "official" record doesn't mean there's no record ...
I live in Washington State. Everytime I've ever bought a gun the state of Washington they ask for the name of the purchaser, the age, the type and model of firearm being bought and they also ask after purchasing where will the firearm be stored. They ask for the address of where the firearm will be for whatever future endeavors they choose. I DO NOT think that the government fed and state is asking these things and then ignoring that information. I guarantee the the Feds have illegal registries. I would bet they started back under Reagan after the Hughes Amendment was enacted. An illegal national gun registry I would bet already exists.
After 1639 wa st does keep records of purchases. 100%
There was an article about how Interpol is notified whenever a firearm is purchased (through an FFL) worldwide and checked against their background system. They have no law dictating they have to erase that information from their database as they operate outside of US laws. So de facto registry. If our law enforcement asks; they will get whatever Interpol has. Don't you love your 'older bro'?
@@none6456 when I joined the army in 1977 they finger printed me and sent a copy to the locals state FBI and interpol
Colorado doesn't require that much info just basic background checks
Im in washington and i own 2 guns and ive never been asked for any of that information
Even in states where there is no registry, the FFL keeps a copy of the 4473 as part of their recordkeeping, so the ATF can access it if ever they want. So it's not a deliberate registration, but they're still traceable if the ATF wanted to locate it.
Good point. Although I have an odd situation where my FFL purchase location closed and the owner left the state. I wonder what the requirements are regarding the maintenance of of such records.
They cannot without a valid reason. Not just because they want to.
Infringement
Not only that but idk about your state but in Ga 4473 gets sent to the FBI for approval, soooo I mean I’m sure they could easily have a record of every background check gone through the system. And the background checks have your Name DOB Adress SSN and Serial Number of your firearm.
@@jefferyrader5153 they record every text and phone call record without a warrant.
I knew a gentleman (not a firearm dealer) who was being investigated approximately 5 years ago for making homemade suppressors. In actuality, he was only doing some gunsmithing projects for people. Anyhow, he said the prosecutors had people's names, gun models, work dates, and serial numbers of every firearm he worked on that had been purchased by the original owner within the last 15 years. Most of the people were close friends whom I knew myself, which were never questioned in the matter until later in the investigation. They found nothing to indict him on, but somebody's keeping records and are watching.
🤳🏽
I think your friend has a case for a MASSIVE invasion of privacy lawsuit. Maybe a class action suit.
Lived. Bought. And owned a pistol in one state. Got pulled over and searched in a neighboring state (claim was a loose live 9mm rnd sitting in mi ashtray gave them ras).
They find my carry and "checked to see it wasn't stolen".
I got ahold of the stop log later and they had a list of every gun i bought not just the one I was carrying.
Y'all better believe you are on a list and they know what you have.
Look at credit companies last few years. If you're building a platform from scratch at your home and buying accessories for it they can do math and assume what you have.
@@nickabel8279 i believe they mean there’s no public registry. ATF knows you bought the gun/parts (4473 for the gun) but as far as I know most citizens don’t have access to that info
If anyone thinks that background checks aren't logged and able to be easily monitored by the federal government they are fools. We are finding out every day that our federal government does things that go against the constitution and they don't give two shts about it.
Yes there is a gun registry. Its called a 4473. If you've ever filled one out, that transaction is on record.
That only to tell them you have purchased a firearm or attempted to. Even though it has the make and model listen on the form, its sealed and legally they are not allowed to open it except for cases listed under the privacy act. It’s essentially as private as your tax returns and is categorized as such. Private purchases and gifts are not required to fill one out either.
@@TheNate371 "not allowed"
Dude, if you dont think they have a database with all that info (acting as a de facto registry) then you're incredibly naive. The government does what it wants. Everything you do is tracked traced and databased. Its over. Our tax returns are far from private, too.
exactly
@@TheNate371 Lol, that's cute that you think the government follows its own rules. The same government that recently gave our enemy $83 billion in current military equipment, but doesn't want you to have a forced reset trigger for an ar-15.
@@jmh31890 snowden proved that. nsa has all your texts and emails and reads them at willl
My FFL has records of firearms I’ve bought over the years and the ATF has access to those records. I’ve also bought firearms in private transactions and inherited a few without ATF involvement which is perfectly legal in Texas anyway. Also traded off and sold many of those firearms on that FFL’s books. Inventory records aren’t very effective at gun tracing, and I have horrible luck boating.
Gotta watch out for those rogue waves brother. They strike when you least expect it. 😏
"it's not like the media out there is spreading the facts" truer words have never been spoken
The 4473 doesn't disappear when you walk out the door with your new gun purchase. And if you own a hunting license chances are you are a gun owner. Even at the State level they have pretty good idea who owns firearms. Don't fool ourselves.
The light at the end of the tunnel here is this. Idc if they know what I have or where it is. If they come looking for it they get the bullets first
Not really, because of the 4473 form we fill out they know we bought said firearm at one time, but cannot prove it was sold to a civilian who could legally purchase one later on. And considering about 30-50% of this country has purchased at least one firearm in their life, they have a big list to look at.
U can instantly tell a non gun person when they say two things..
1- is it registered?
2- is it automatic?
Lol. Im so tired of answering these questions
Isnt this illegal? Is another for me. This was asked recently about a pump action 12g, its all black and skurry lookin but, its still a pump actions shotgun...
“Yes it’s registered and ofc it’s an automatic” best answer, no one ever questions it
“If it was automatic, why would I register it” , is what I tell someone who asks
And the words “assault rifle”😂
@@wildcat8598 or assault weapon 😂😂😂
Are my guns registered? I'm the only one that truly knows
You don't register firearms at the federal level in the United States.
To be fair cops regularly say it's registered to blah blah blah when that's just who bought it... Cops tried to do this when they took my guns tried saying it was registered to my dad to even though it was mine and they gave it to him to hold on to... Sucks but the person who bought it has the most claim to the gun even if it's been given as a gift and they no longer own it
@@Johnny-tq9no that’s why you need the paperwork of a transfer of ownership. “Bill of sale”
@@FishFind3000 when's the last time you got on the bill of sale for Christmas gifts?
Firearms in the states techincally can only be gifted to immediate family members, otherwise its considered a straw buy in alot of cases.
But you are correct in the cases of gifts from your Dad or such, no one provides a bill of sale. SHOOT in alot of private party transfers, there also tends not be bills of sale, or they get lost, damaged in floods or what have you.
But how do the cops there know whose on a 4473? Generally they won't know anything unless the city/county requires registration at their level or they are stolen.
I blame the whole thing about "registered guns" on Hollywood. So many TV shows, especially those dealing with police forces and the like, have the cops say something about busting the bad guy for "unregistered firearms". However, like Eric and Chad pointed out, there is no Federal registry for the overwhelming bulk of firearms types. However, most of the TV shows are made in California or New York, so the people living there think the entire country is like their state, when it's flat out not. Plus, I think the people making those shows want people to think that, to get people used to the idea of registered firearms.
Yep
The news too. They love to show a safe ful of "unregistered" items, even when they're in states that prohibit registries
The ATF has admitted that they have a Registry with almost a Billion Records in it. so that's at least a billion Registered guns.
I came here looking for this comment
What's aft stand for?
@@captainthruster9484 my Bad I meant to type ATF. didn't notice my Error.
Technically there is a registry since FFLs are required to keep firearm sales information and big brother can request it any time they want
Yep. The feds just made it to where someone else funds and maintains the registry.
Yeah but they throw them out after a while
@@Skinwalkerxiv after they've electronically stored them.
@@stephenmorris8187 My FFL leaves them in paper form as far as I know.
Pre 68 people walked into hardware store and walked out with a gun for cash. No license, no registry. That is free, though the serial numbers can be tracked.
the good old days
Chad is a excellent co-host. He makes entertaining and valid points
@@jordansauer1678 I'm pretty sure he had said some things in the past about red flag laws and pistol braces that pissed a lot of people off for a bit.
Chad, you can stop posting comments to your own videos…
Chad is really the only reason to watch this channel since the old man died ...
Chad made a fake account lol
@@CynicalPsychologist I wouldn't pick a name like, "John Smith" because that would be too obvious.--Chad
I love how Eric constantly misuses words in a way that makes his rants unintentionally funny while still making his overall point.
Let's just say I've been thru the "gun show loop hole" more than once. for the newbs, there is no such thing as a gun show loop hole
Private sale loophole it's a thing
@@Johnny-tq9no its not a loophole. Making a private sale to an individual isnt a loophole
@@GaMeRfReAkLIVE it's a way to get around a background check and a way felons can get guns it forsure happens call it what you like many would call that a loophole
@@Johnny-tq9no then close it and violate our rights. It's just how it's gonna be.
@@Johnny-tq9no background checks are a violation of your 2nd amendment right. And people who cant be trusted with guns shouldnt be in the public. Theres no reason someone who has demonstrated themselves as violent should be in ghe public
NY Democrats: “Arrest anyone in possession of a firearm regardless if they passed a background check.”
NYPD: “Okay”
NY Democrats: “Get Vaccinated Now”
NYPD: “ NO! That’s Unconstitutional and I’m a American Patriot.”
Yeah but did they care about the mandate when they were shutting down businesses?
Or only when it was said the dept needed to vax
"Funny" how that works, eh???
I’m the End the NYPD got it because they were told to like good order followers
Jeez, I have commented on your videos about this subject before. Your guns are registered if you buy them on a 4473. It goes into the ATF's system called ETrace. I know this from personal experience when I had several handguns stolen in 2015. When the DEA recovered the gun 4 years later, they contacted me because I was the only registered buyer. I advised that it had been stolen and that there was a police report. Once I provided a copy showing it on there, they returned it after the case concluded. The ATF told me specifically how it works. So, while I did not "register" the gun, when it was sold to me the data from the 4473 went into ETrace.
Its astounding how many people dont know this. Just nuts. There absolutely is a national database.
Wow
That's interesting, thanks.
@@stevexracer4309 realistically they can't have a national registration either butnits been happening since the 80s they can't make up new laws but try every day and have had some become law. So people blindly saying they're not allowed to do this is severely irresponsible. Because they literally are doing the things people just keep saying they aren't allowed to do. They obviously don't care bruh do more than say (oh they can't do that) because they literally keep doing that.
@@stevexracer4309 Mr gunsandgear talks about it if you wanna watch that. I'm on the UA-cam app so I can't copy any links to send you. Go listen to a few videos about it and then tell me who the dip was is. Boot licker.
Politicians give an oath to uphold and defended the Constitution; therefore not upholding your oath are in fact acts of treason!
Thank you for the rhetoric. Would you like to make any other generic statements?
@@picklerick9578 Oh my god, who are you? He is absolutely right.
Nay, it is heresy!!! XD
Seriously though, don't make promises you know you won't keep, and don't join a cause you don't really believe in.
@@Opera2Guy he's a YT bot, ignore him. that's one of Al Gore's rhythm we don't want to feed.
Yup I've ran into atleast 6 people that thought we have to/is a gun registry lol.. and they look at me weird when I say there is no such thing.
There is no such thing as the right to own a vehicle in the constitution. The right to bear arms is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT meaning no man can take that away. Registering a vehicle to drive on the road is a privilege not a right.
4473 are registration. You think anyones going to put their FFL on the line to tell the ATF no they’re not giving them 4473 records?
How many people still have the gun they did a 4473 on though? Private sales for the win
4473 is a Bill of Sale. You don't know how the law works.
@@picklerick9578 lmao you actually don’t know what you’re talking about. If a firearm is recovered in a crime and the ATF is involved with the investigation they will look up the serial number of the firearm and contact the the FFL in which it was first sold. Then they will get the contact information of the person who first purchased it and continue their investigation from there. So yea that is in fact a loophole way if registering a firearm.
@@picklerick9578 are you just replying to as many people as possible to make yourself feel right?
@@MalevolentMind I believe he's referring to 4473s being required for sale in most places by this point. You made a private sale w/o paperwork&ffl background check? Felony!
It's all bullshit totake the guns from your kids trying to make inheritance illegal.
Edit: nvm just a spam poster. My point still stands though.
While this channel and this episode and the internet state our government doesn't have a registry of guns because it is illegal for them to have such a registry I think our government does have such a registry they don't talk about! When I fill out a form when purchasing a firearm there is information on this form of the serial number of the gun and what it is. Handgun, Rifle, etc. No one can tell me this information isn't kept somewhere in our government! Besides with the democrats and their anti-gun stance and their continuous assault on the Second Amendment you can't tell me there is no registry!
If you live in California your firearms are registered. The California DOJ keeps extensive records on firearm ownership.
Which, sadly, allows the state more control over a Right... and, if they ever want to take anything registered, they know exactly where to go!
If you live in california, WHY do u live in california. I would never live in a gun restricted state. Its the dumbest thing you could do. Makes no sense
@@mikeholt8087 it used to be a beautiful place to live I left thirty years ago it’s not the same place
It curbs gang shootings. Or at least makes it significantly more difficult. In big city's, guns aren't used to put food on the table.
@@Miller_Time gangs care about laws...........rrrrrrrriiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhht.
Might want a redo on this one….ATF has all of our 4473’s after all.
"ATF has nearly a billion records of gun sales" - GOA
Well, this didn’t age well.
Not registered, but damn right your 4473 was scanned and a copy is stored with the atf that started early 2000s
Then its registered. There is no other reason than for tracking records
@@johngalt6838 its called forward tracking they can find the original owner they have a database they can pressure him with time and losing his assets to thell them who he sold it to this how my friend got busted
@@Southized of course.....if there was no information to begin, there could be no registration. It is infringement
I had to fill out more paperwork than it would take to get a mortgage last time I went to a gun store. There is no way they aren’t trying to track absolutely everything. (Unfortunately Californian resident btw) Remember that intelligence collected by one agency will be leveraged by whoever wants to surveil/incriminate you, it doesn’t go away.
I %100 AGREE!!! This video is BS!!! This is like the NSA saying "We don't record anything...", WHEN, it was easily proven they were intercepting all emails from a server, then searching for specific "terrorist words" within each e-mail...The MERE EXISTENCE of the data base, IS IN FACT BY BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY, a REGISTRATION!!! If NOT the case, the "background check" REGISTRY, WOULDN'T REQUIRE the MAKE/MODEL ANNNND SERIAL # of EVERY gun purchased...These doofuses are JOKING, RIGHT??? Talk about cognitive dissonance!!! "My beliefs are valid/justified, just as long as I IGNORE my current reality..." AND..."It's NOT a REGISTRY, as long as I call it something else..." It's NOT a "gun registry", just like Stalin wasn't the most evil man to ever exist...
"they?" Be clear. Be specific. They is vague and even ignores the most basic relevant distinction here between state & fed.
@@charlesaferg Not really...Like, at all!!!
Show me one example of how gun registration has ever been used to either detect or prevent crime.
10+ million around germany in the 40s didnt commit any more crimes.
Lol 😂 this didn’t age well after the billion transactions recorded by the ATF that was just released 🤣🤣
Your dealer is required by ATF to keep sales records, have them available, turn over to ATF when requested specifics, and when shop closes turn over those records....A de-facto registry
In Maine I had a gentleman ask me if my weapons are registered. He was astonished to find out in Maine there is no registry. And we have Constitutional Carry.
Sanford Maine here, Amen brother!
This should be interesting to watch after watching MRGUNSNGEARS video about the ATF admitting to maintaining almost a billion 4473's.
Yeah this video didn’t age well. Lol
@@downsouthtroutmouth6217 very unfortunate timing.
Registration always leads to... what? Confiscation! It has happened every time, ultimately... Or, in the least? More control!
👏 Amazing concept. Have you considered thinking of new material rather than preaching rewound rhetoric?
@@picklerick9578 Have you tried not being an asshole? He's just trying to make those that aren't already aware, aware.
@@picklerick9578 I have said other things, but doesn't registration always lead to more control and stricter laws on firearms owners? In other countries and even in American states, firearms are restricted or "run by" state government(s) with certain firearms being confiscated and with Red Flag laws in American states - trying to do this in the U.S., beginning the confiscations aspect? I have used that phrase very sparingly, but it is what this government wants, especially now, is it not?
@@RustyShackleford556 You mean like the people that are watching this video haven't heard that multiple times?
@@GmanGSW Yes, I get what you're saying. But here's what you're telling yourself.
"Here. If I post this rhetoric, I'm surely going to be exchange new information and not preaching to the same choir of people that already have heard this multiple times."
Do something about it. That's all I'm saying. Rather than just circlejerk, do something
Now it's not a registered gun it's a registered owner of firearms !
What happens when the aft decides to go gather up all the 4473's? When a gun shop shuts it's doors all them records go to the aft, at that point them records become a registered loophole. They must absolutely hate private sales of firearms.
So happy your putting this out. Can't stand this bad gouge that's been circulating for so long.
The Kennesaw law was enacted as a response to Morton Grove, Illanoid passing an outright handgun ban. It was more of a defiant political statement than an enforceable law.
I think all Americans have the duty to be ready if you don’t feel that way our constitution is just a piece of paper
Yea, no one enforces it. But it's got the reputation for people carrying or at least owning a gun.
Well, every time I've bought something through a dealer, they've sent everything about me and the firearm to the state for a background check. No amount of talking is going to convince me that they don't keep those details, or share them with the feds.
The government is not legally supposed to keep a record of that but the FFL does for 20 yrs. If the Feds go to an FFL with a warrant or the AFT does an "inspection" of records then they get to look over the records. But they are STILL not legally supposed to keep permanent records that could be considered a gun database or registry.
What state do you live in? When I buy a firearm in my state, Alaska, the FFL has me fill out the 4473 and a quick FBI background check is done and I walk out with my new pew pew. There is no registration. There is no way to know how many people own guns in my state. Unless your state has a state wide gun registration, than what your calling a "registration" is not, it's just the normal FBI background check.
@@BooDamnHoo right so the feds use loop holes like you just mentioned. I honestly don't care what tool or how they infringe upon my rights, i only care that my rights are infringed upon. And if you or anyone else says otherwise or justifies the means to the ends, than you are not pro 2a. Its just that simple.
I live in NH in the Vermont border and Vermont is turning into New York very fast and NH is holding strong as many Massachusetts people move up and try to change the gun laws
Same in Oregon and Washington. Californiaism is spreading.
I too live in NH and I always tell people that move here to leave their politics where they came from. They then say i didnt ask about that I then reply with well I just wanted you to hear it lol.
Tell me about it New York is ass
@@mattmorrison9379 I saw a bumper sticker once that said welcome to NH. Don't Mass it up.
I'm also in New Hampshire on the Vermont border i moved from Boston up here but I'm no Democrat.
Not even my silence is registered, much less my Walmart parking lot guns.
What is a Walmart parking lot gun lol
@@Miller_Time it's a gun that you buy at the Walmart parking lot 😂
Judges always say "ignorance of the Law is no excuse." Yet they never seem to get around to teaching people their basic fundamental Rights!
I agree 💯% ... when you look under the surface, gun “laws” and bans are nothing more than low hanging fruit for a particular ideology to do an end run around basic human rights and the Constitution.
I'll tell you all this. I've flown domestic many times with firearms, and when they take your gun into a room where "you can't go" to "inspect your firearm", I DO BELIEVE they run that serial number on your gun and therefore, REGISTER that gun back to your state if that's not the state you're flying out of.
Seems to me like every time I've had to do an FBI background check when purchasing a gun, the seller submitted the serial number of the weapon with the application for the check. Don't you think perhaps the same system that's performing the records check is recording the serial number and your name? Sounds like a registry to me.
I've never had the serial # recorded.
@@jesse1136 it's usually filled in on the seller's portion of the form. All the places I buy from fill their portion in on the computer and then flip the screen around and have me type in my info to finish the process.
I get the “I wanna take it outa my name & put it in my wife’s”… I have to explain “I can charge you $30 to background check your wife, but it isn’t in anyones name”. Like you said, usually have to explain it five different ways haha
It actually is they can see who did the background check last I've had this happen where cops came looked up my guns and said this is in your dad's name and took it to my dad
@@Johnny-tq9no what STATE?
@@Nylonscheme Florida
@@Johnny-tq9no r u serious man
@@Buglife.352 yep 😂 crazy right
I’m from Michigan which is actually pretty gun friendly. You buy a rifle or shot gun after your background check and go home. But with handguns you do the same background check. Gun store keeps a copy of the registration for it. You get one and you have a 3rd one that you have 14 days to turn in to your local police station in your city you live in
In ohio we don't even get a copy of our BGC. We legit just get a receipt and our weapon to take home 😂
If you have to "turn in" a copy to the local police you are NOT a firearm friendly state.
They don't need a global registry. The FFL keeps a record of the sales which can be subpoenaed.
I had a friend who's mom worried about food availability ( 1980's ) and so she moved to Vermont to set up a homestead with gardens and orchards. And at no point did it occur to her the hungry people could just come and take her food. Maybe no matter what you do they can do that, but she did not even think about it. We also just got magazine size restrictions so the liberals are having an effect. ( but if the mag is small or "bought before x date" then carry is still constitutional. Just um stay the heck away from NY boarder.
Vermont vs New York is a great example of the study of heavy gun control vs limited gun control. Violent crime is much lower in Vermont where you don't require handgun permits or have state bans on ARs, etc.
In NY, we can't have 20 or 30 round mags, must spend hundreds of dollars and six months or more "applying" for a handgun permit, and crime is up. It's nuts.
Shoot them for crop damage just like DEER
.....the border too....
"We also just got magazine size restrictions so the liberals are having an effect."
Our Republican Governor signed that law after the Las Vegas shooting, which included banning bump stocks. It literally had nothing to do with liberals.
Yes it is. The ATF was just caught having all kinds of secret records they shouldn't have.
The Kennesaw law WORKED and that's why it was never removed. In the first year that law was in place, ALL crime was reduced by over 85% from the previous year the law did not exist. The second year the law was in place crime reduced even further over 15% from the previous, the first year the ;aw was in place. So in two years crime in that Georgia town was almost completely non-existant and continued to be one of the lowest in the country for many years later.
If most towns in this country made this kind of law then the crime rate in this nation will drop dramatically and reduce almost all crime to inner cities.
...hmn.....do former felons get black powder pistols in order to be compliant?
@@TheWolfsnack I don't know. Feel free to look up the law yourself to find your answer.
"Don't piss on me and tell me it's rainin'" - That got me good, ain't laughed that hard in a good while.
Quote from The Outlaw Josey Wales. -- Fletcher: There's another old saying, Senator: Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
We don't even register most long guns in Canada. A bunch, like the AR15 were recently banned, but you can own a Tavor or a Type 81 without registration, despite them doing all the same things that an AR does. Might have something to do with the countries they're made in...
You have registration of handguns and still have PAL cards. You have a registry scheme. Not a comparison.
@@picklerick9578 The PAL registers you, not your guns. That tells the Canadian government tou have at least one non restricted category guns. But that gun could be a Remington 700 bolt action or an IWI Tevor. The RCMP has no way of knowing.
And as soon as Harper ended the Long gun registry in 2010, many Canadians sold or otherwise transfered their guns multiple times with the intent of causing the government to lose track of who had what gun. No they did not lose them in a boating accident, but rather they transferred them to other owners multiple times and thus the purchaser of reccord in Canada is now basicly useless for the RCMP to track down those guns.
My father in-law inherited a S&W 38 snub nose, and wanted to sell it, but wasn’t getting what he thought he should for it, so he decided to keep it, on the premise that “It has more value because it’s not registered to him” 🤦♂️ I wasn’t gonna argue, besides, when he passes, I’ll get it..
Keep the 10th alive and well:) Personally, I think the 10th is the most consequential Amendment; for good or bad. Also, it's the best way for all sides to settle "hot button" issues. Whatever one's politics, move to a State that closes resembles one's own values and beliefs.
Unfortunately people won't move based on their politics, they'll move based on their finances. When left leaning states have skyrocketing costs of living, the people there leave and bring their political beliefs with them.
@@fishymacaroon6
I agree, and would never relocate based on politics, but I was trying to point out to overly political folk there are answers:) HA!
it's shocking how many employees of a P.D. (sworn and unsworn alike) use the terms "registered" and "unregistered" when they talk about firearms.
Depends. Do you live in a state that allows private transactions or was there an NCIC done through an FFL?
@Gaydolf Shitler My point was just that, person-to-person are essentially un-registerable transactions. While, anything you buy now at an FFL is essentially defacto registered.
@@16v15 Correct... and when someone ‘pawns’ their fire arm, the pawn shop/FFL does a NICS check on them. Another, de-facto way to register guns.
Bingo! But "everybody" agrees about "universal background checks", right?
@@RAND0MHERO shhhh!!!
@@RAND0MHERO Perfectly legal here in the great state. (Though he shoulda at least checked you were a resident, to cover his own ass)
On federal level. State has to have access to that database. My neighbor told me when cops were called to his property they knew exact number of firearms he possesses.
Gun gripes is the best thing on you tube, and you two are also the best. Thank you!!!
The ATF has 920,664,765 records in a registry. 865,787,086 of them have been digitized, which makes them easily searchable.
We don't register guns in Florida either. It's actually illegal under statue number 790.335 in Florida to have a gun registry or to keep records of privately owned firearms.
Its illegal for forced vaccination mandates too......so?
@@johngalt6838 so what we're a free state flfreedom2A if you don't like it then f off
@@johngalt6838 yeah, we don't do those either.
One of mine is absolutely registered. It was bought in CA and someone else has a copy of the receipt over there still. I'm better off treating it as if it was than acting like I'm under the radar and then being surprised later when they know.
I have watched many of your videos over the years and y'all do a great job. I don't normally comment on videos but I have become increasingly fed up watching this country go down the drain. Just a few years ago I would agree with most if not all of what you said however, I feel it is foolish to believe that anything you thought to be so is so. Look what happened in your great State of Georgia in the last national election.
Did something happen is the last election? Do tell!
Why are you teasing him? He is very clearly implying that he doesn’t believe that the electoral college of Georgia did not follow the popular vote for the POTUS in 2020. If you have a reply, do so, but don’t dance around the bushes by teasing him with a sarcastic question.
I don't care how you twist things .The 4473 and NICS is a form of registration .I worked at a gun shop where one of the guns we sold was used in a crime .It may take a while but they can trace most guns .
When you purchase a new firearm, your name is on a form that includes the serial number of the firearm... otherwise you'd have no warranty rights. The existence of that form means the government will have access to that information if they choose to. I know this is not the same as registering your firearms with the ATF, but it will be when this current federal government decides to gather that info. The only safe gun is one that does not have your name attached to it on any form anywhere. The only 100% safe gun is one with no serial number.
Which for me is a single shot, bolt action .410. 😂
ATF tracked down some Polymer80 buyers, no?
@@tonyl3762 They sure did.
Doesn’t matter if I don’t hand them over when they come for them
@@randosmallfoot2132 So you are ready to fight the ATF? You will need more than bullets.
"Dont piss on me and tell me its raining" Damn , Eric that was funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣 God bless y'all
The most important thing we learned here is IV8888’s family makes bomb ass ice cream and we need some of it. J/K guys lol very informative, love watching these things.
🤣🤣🤣 thank you gentleman. So many people just do not understand what registration is. Now I can just send them this video. 👍
As soon as you buy a firearm in Washington State the FFL where you purchased it reports the model, your name, address, phone number, email address, and drivers license number to the local police where the buyer lives.
Correct.....you can call it a background check but it is a registry
I live in communist MD, and its pretty bad. I live in Western MD and most ppl r working class, hunt, fish, shoot. But we have 2 live under the tyranny from the baltimore and annapolis area. 1st they made it to where, if u sell or buy a pistol, u must take it to a gunshop n transfer it. Now, they just got it through where that has 2 b done w/ rifles n shotguns as well. I cant even lend my buddy a rifle to go hunt with, its soo crazy. I purchased a semi auto shotgun once at a local sporting goods store, then ordered a popular stock for it, just by absolute chance, i stumbled upon the MD ban list, and found out that if i put that stock on that shotgun, id b a felon, how insane is that. Most ppl in MD have no idea what is on that list.
Plus red flag laws, and the fact that the average citizens cannot acquire a carry permit, impossible. I had a friend, split up w/ his gf who was a bit crazy at the time, she filed a protective order which is standard now, every breakup ive witnessed, the chick files an order just 2 b spiteful, then the sheriff shows up for your guns. But ne ways, they split up, he stayed w/ his dad until he got a place, she violated the order n busted in at 2am, he called the police, trying to do the right thing. They came, told her 2 leave, didnt charge her, she sat outside for an hour refusing 2 leave, eventually left, police left. 1 month later, he was getting up for work at 4am, sees a bunch lights outside, its a swat team raiding his fathers house. He yells through the door, telling them they have the wrong house lol, they hit the house, put him on the ground, turns out that they r the MD gun task force which travels the state seizing firearms. Apparently, while the police were there, they seen a shotgun shell box sitting in the other room, the cop put a red flag order in because he had a protective order, she lied on the order n said that it was his house. They seized all of his dads guns and gun related items, ammo, reloading stuff, made him open his gun safe or they would cut it open. He eventually got them back through the courts but it took months n several rifles n scopes were really beat up, n were family guns. Ppl think that tyranny isnt taking place, your wrong, i see it regularly here
A little off topic, but I’ve wondered why when you fill out the information for a background check is there a question that specifically ask if you’re Hispanic or non Hispanic then the very next question ask for your race? It seems to be directly scrutinizing Hispanics. Maybe I’m missing something.
@@shanemedeiros3227 who are the people that don't want white people to have GUNS?
Democrats.
I have never seen someone with a clean background be turned down a firearm because of their race. And I'm in multiple of my LGS multiple times a week. I'm certain it has something to do with illegal immigration. Specific questions have nothing to do with scrutiny, it's no different from the what sex are you question. Or a good possibility is that the FBI doesn't have a picture of everyone turning in a 4473 and probably doesn't have actual people screening them. If you are Hispanic but look white, they don't want mis- identification.
The problem is, unless you bought your firearm in a private sale, your gun is absolutely registered in the ATF’s illegal database. Maybe they haven’t got to putting your gun in the database yet if it was a fairly old purchase with the old style paperwork, but the new style 4473 where all the pertinent info is on the front page? The entirely digital 4473? Yeah, those are all in a digital database. Now, if a gun is sold several times through private sales of people who got tired of it, didn’t like it, needed the money, whatever the case, then sure, maybe your gun is “really” unregistered to you. If you got it from a store in the last decade or maybe even further back, I’d bet money it’s on their “not a registry, it’s a database”
I always found it neat but mildly inconvenient that Vermont doesn't even offer a CC Permit for reciprocity since they don't require permits.
Get an Arizona non resident
A great video. As an Australian who owns guns both in Arizona and Australia I find this subject comes up so much here in Australia. Guns are completely registered here but the very few people here who know I own guns regularly give me “I can’t believe you can own guns in Australia .” The level of ignorance is off the scale.
I know that any firearm registration or keeping of any information from sales or ? Is illegal for the federal government organization to do or keep . But you cannot convince me that they ask for your name , address, ssn, age, serial number of firearm ,type of firearm, etc depending on state. And they are not keeping said information illegally for ???
Any time someone has asked me if my guns are registered I just have to respond 'no thats not how guns work.'
4473. You beg the gubment for it and they now know you have it. That's a national registry.
This one drives me nuts!!! People say well that gun is registered to me.
I have my doubts about whether the FBI background check info that is taken upon purchase is simply thrown away.
This has always been a question to me. If they don't keep track, how come a lot of people have to wait 3 days for their first firearm purchase, but then no wait when they buy more? There has to be some type of tracking.
They may not be "registered" with big brother, but the ATF forms are kept in the gun shops at the place of purchase. I do not care what you call it, the ATF form is a type of Quasia registration.
how much clearer could "shall not be infringed" be?
They like to use the "Ignorance is no excuse" to get people twisted up in the court system....but the problem is these laws are buried under copious amounts of bureaucratic technical legal jargon that you need a translator just to sort out what the laws are actually saying or pertaining to...and as far as passing laws that pertain to Constitutional rights (it should clearly state which Constitutional right is being referred to), the public should have a say/vote in those matters considering our Constitution was created to protect the people...making laws behind closed doors inaccessible to the public is a great example of tyranny
Turns out there's a registry
Yes, your gun IS registered.
The ATF has ALL of EVERYBODY'S forms.
Wakey, wakey, scrubbie, scrubbie!
Yes they are.a background check through the FBI is done for every gun purchase.
Your statement means the background check is the "registry" or start of it to retrieve the 4473 form IF THERE IS A CRIME aka recovery that really don't mean shit at that point, unless it's theft.
power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Being in tech consulting for 30 years I can tell you every bit of info that goes over the net is stored and can be retrieved or diverted to other databases. So yes if you purchase a firearm legally that info is there.
I live in Texas and I have heard people say "I bought a gun yesterday and I got it registered and everything at one place". When I tell them no, you didn't register your firearm, they say "yes I did, I filled out that form". Why are people so eager to register their property even if they don't have to or , in the state of Texas, you can't?
Thanks guys thank you for going into the political part of gun laws. It's good to see that there's channels like yours that keep me informed 👍
Found this out a few years ago when I wanted to sell a pistol to a friend. Went to local gun shop to see if there was a form to "register" to the new owner. Shop owner said "Doesn't exist and not only that it's not registered in YOUR name. I think I thought went I went through my first background check for a purchase that I was "registered". Now some states like Illinois which just passed a law banning the sale of semi automatic guns, including pistols, are making folks register their currently owned guns. The courts will decide if the law stands...or not. It can be safely assumed that the criminals/thugs/gangs that actually run Chicago will NOT register their guns. Most of them wouldn't clear a background check to carry a rock or a stick.
Chad's transition to every coffee shop hipster is nearly complete, I'm so proud of him.
The ATF under the New York Liberal paved a way for a federal registration.
No registry but the paperwork is sitting at the gun store waiting for a tyrannical democrat to make one
Except, that only tells them who bought the gun originally from the store. It doesn't follow the gun if you then sell it to someone else, gift it to someone, lose it, or breaks and you throw it away, etc So if the ATF comes to your house because you bought a gun 15 years ago, you can just tell them any of those things....oh I sold that gun 10 years ago. There is nothing they can do, you don't have to report/register any of that movement after the fact.....except for those states that actually do have registration. This is why people always say, they'd just say they "lost it in a boating accident" because that WOULD WORK...you don't have to report if your gun is lost or whatever as I already mentioned.
@@PreppinShootinLivin unless you live in WA
they make you do a transfer everytime you buy or sell a gun from an person
if lost or stolen and used in a crime before you find it gone and report it you are on the hook for the crime
no matter what you are guilty of the crime the way the law is written
@@kennethlindahl9206 Yeah, there are a handful of shit states but most of us don't have to worry about it.
@@PreppinShootinLivin yeah we all know all you have to do is shooo the pesky aft away and they’ll all leave with their heads downs. No they will knock you door in, shoot your dog and tear apart your house and not find anything. But it’s ok because you think they will follow “law” where’s your common sense
TSA ran the serial number on a gun of a friend and TSA said it was registered to him. How is that possible if they don’t have a database?