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- The Los Angeles Chargers beat the Denver Broncos 34-27 led by Justin Herbert’s heroics. Colin Cowherd asks how far Herbert can lead the Chargers this season, and if Bo Nix has a bright future with the Broncos.
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The AFC west is gonna be an absolute bloodbath for the next 5 years at least. Three elite coaches, two elite QBs and one with the potential to become elite, and one team is at the apex while the other two are already good and still ascending. My heart goes out to raiders fans 😂
In the next 3 years, Raiders might get Akili Smith Jr.
As a broncos fan, I kinda hope the raiders get vrabel and shadeur.😂 Because we'll finally get to see the chiefs play in a great division
Honestly top of the nfc too this is some good football
@@samuelwallace2782Why don’t Donkeys fans worry about their team becoming great first
Raiders only chance is shadeur and deon saunders
Never seen someone understand Herberts situation this well. About time people start to realize who Herbert really is
Yea, a choker. Ironic isn't it?
His trash bro lol
Colin understands Herbert is due for ring eventually
@@acegambit777no one in the NFL has more game winning drives lost by their defense than Herbert in the last 5 years. Choker? Chargers have been, but Harbaugh is changing that
Herbert had 2 good receivers last year and Kellen Moore and they were horrible
4 offensive coordinators in 5 years
PEOPLE WHO REALLY,REALLY,KNOW FOOTBALL even the people who played FOOTBALL AT A ELITE LEVEL WILL TELL YOU THATS VERY DIFFICULT TO OVERCOME
@@goldteethpoohproductions2707yeah, Jalen Hurts can relate
@@goldteethpoohproductions2707Lamar has same thing and has 2 mvps
@@blackfase7009yeah Lamar has had a damn good coach, Herbs first two coaches were beyond trash! Lamar has plenty of weapons as well.
And 3 head coaches, an all time bad defense for 4 years. And pair that with a bottom 5 rushing offense. And crazy part is that you could never count out the chargers no matter who they played because Justin Herbert was on the field.
I apppreciate you pointing out those facts regarding Justin. He's risen above so much with so little at times in his career...and now we have Coach Harbaugh. How blessed are we? My love for this team is off the chart - so special! 💙⚡️
Cowherd glazing Herbert, and I’m here for it.
I’d love Herbert to glaze me tbh
Herbert ain’t even reach his full potential yet. The man a beast. Carrying his team.
Yes he did. He's a very good qb but he's the same qb that he was since his rookie yr. There's only so much you can improve
@@-JackVenomYup. Hard to improve when you're already ELITE
Overrated!!!
Playoff wins?
He's totally reached his potential. Name one single game he has ever won that was meaningful.
University of Oregon keeps coaching up great quarterbacks.
What guys who can win a regular season game🤔 wow how awesome 🤣🤣
Colin praising Herbert is great. What we’re not hearing is Sean Payton was totally out coached from the free kick onward.
How dare you say that about the GOAT Sean Payton? They lost because the weather wasn't conducive to playing. The light got in his eyes and he couldn't read the plays. Plus Nat Hackett sneezed and it ruined everything.
@@DJuahn You forgot he also still has the worst Qb of all time Russell Wilson clouding his mind
@russamelang1485 I heard Russ left a piece of paper in one of the locker rooms. That impacted them too.
@@DJuahn ROFL!! Love your humorous take!
@@DJuahnhe only lost because the ref said he can make bounties it’s not fair
It’s NOT “mahomes like” it’s “HERBERT LIKE”!!!!
Absolutely!💯💯💯
Exactly ⚡️
So tired of these analysts referencing Mahomes all the time like he’s the dude that invented improvisation. Like Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers and John Elway never made great improv plays before him. The meat riding is absolutely ridiculous.
@@carterdrake4232newer/younger fans don't remember/know Favre, Rodgers or Elway, they're just understandable comps to the largest demographic... also, Herbert hasn't done that stuff regularly to be considered Herbertlike... it's called logic and common sense, you might wanna use it once in a while...
That being said, as a Chiefs fan I'm happy both Broncos and Chargers are making the playoffs and was rooting for the Chargers in this particular game... the playoffs always have a way of separating the wheat from the chaff in terms of organizations, and these 2 orgs thoroughly deserve their spots🎉🎉🎉
@@ginkamikaze2 I’m not talking about Herbert I’m talking about how every time someone makes a great play they bring up Mahomes’s name like shovel passes and spectacular throws never existed before him
Herbert ballin on a team that's designed to be a smash run team - but has no runners except injured Dobbins. He has always had team handicaps to overcome. Worst OCs, former worst HCs, leaky O lines. But finally enough is working for him to take over games. His lasers are the best.
Blah blah blah
Dobbins hurt by quiefs on purpose, like last game they poked the oops eye.
Herbert is great he just never had the coach till this year. He's awesome
Faithful 9er fan
We need Colin to debate EVERY Herbert hater. Most informative, calculated person to really understand & articulate the facts and scenarios about Herberts career.
when the nfl is showing highlights of herbert throwing to a defensive lineman and you look at what he is able to accomplish it is impressive. Can you image if he had a true number 1 receiver? justin herbert is the whole team, if hes out the team has 3-5 wins tops
Players are gonna want to play for the chargers next year. This team with weapons are gonna be nasty.
Stop calling every creative play a Mahomes moment!!!
Why? The did it with Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Tiger, all the greats.
@@gsmegaphonebecause Josh and Lamar make insane plays every week. They just dickride mahomes
@@gsmegaphonehas Mahomes earned the right to be the standard? Yes. But when there are so many other QBs in the AFC alone that would be equally thriving in the KC system this year it comes off as a little much.
@@gsmegaphone people have been doing those things for a long time mahomes isn’t the first
@@calebwilson3892 "equally thriving in the KC system" *HAHA* yeah that _stacked_ KC offense this year that' was operating with no LT, a RB who was signed off the couch while RB1 was out, had their #1 AND #2 WRs on IR all year, had to trade for someone midseason because of how thin they were for WR talent, and have an old distracted shell of what used to be Travis Kelce
yeah basically any QB would go 12-1 with all that hey 🙄😅 or win Super Bowls throwing to guys like Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore lol great take bozo
Herbert is currently the best QB in the AFC West!
Really…
Really…
🤔
@@Superz3royes lol
Stafford in Detroit was in a similar situation as Herbert.. no playoffs wins, a juggernaut in GB and Rodgers no coaching etc went to the rams won a superbowl and now considered an HOF QB.. context matters! Incredible talent? Generational talent that has felt short so far because of bad coaching till now. Now he has rhe coach but lacks the pieces around him. Pin this comment, evaluate Herbert in 5 years after Harbaugh builds a team around him and we can talk
Herbert is as good as ANY QB in the NFL! He is setting records every time he steps on the field......Herbert is a baaad man!
I thought QJ sold the game with that drop on second down on that game winning drive
You and me both.....that drop made me lose my voice from yelling at the screen.
Can you simultaneously feel terrible for the guy, and still want to yell at him to "catch the damn ball!!"?
Dude….thank you for bringing that up. That guy can’t catch ANYTHING when he is needed to.
Its not his hands its his mental. He caught it. An went to adjust by taking his hands off . He should have just did the hand shift slide to rotate an slip in forearm an armpit area. . Its a bad habbit. Q needs bootcamp with the toughest drills possible. An he' ll become a beast. He has heart an talent.. An thats important for a team.
@naiboronthefly3594 I see where you're coming from...but his mental being the issue is worse than his hands being the problem
It's not just about Bo. The defence needs to step up.
Nix has a long long ways to go before he is really good. He certainly has the potential, but he is not close yet.
@@jamesdavis8731He's just a rookie ofc he isn't 😂
Bo Nix got schooled last night and will be much better by January.
That was the Colin Cowherd Bowl guys
Colin has TDS
Come on Colin. Just admit it. Payton was outcoached last night.
Herbert a mfer beast and am a Rams fan.
Overrated
Sean Payton has serious game-management issues. The defense got destroyed in the 2nd half, but Payton only managed to get 3 points from his offense in the 2nd half. The clock management after the INT was awful, helped the Chargers get 3 free points. Then Payton abandoned the running game and put Nix in harm's way. Still with a chance to do something near the end, Payton skipped a manageable 4th down and gave the ball back to Herbert.
6 pts
Exactly. I was at the game and I couldn't understand why the Broncos abandoned the running game, WITH A LEAD!! Along with your points, the Broncos' complete lack of a pass rush did them in. It was only a matter of time before the Chargers got back in it and took the lead.
@@F1since79 sean was trying to prove tht he was a elite coach and still got out coached by hrbgh.
What a play by Mahomes
😂
Anyone who didn't see the potential greatness in Herbert during that OT season finale shootout loss to the Raiders in Vegas 2022 was NOT paying attention. Could not believe how JH came back down the field multiple times. The thing that's holding these great players back is arrogant egomaniacal coaches. Which is more often the case than not. Watch Payton ruin Nix. Guaranteed.
"WElL bU Bu BuT bO OnLy tHroWs chECkDowns" yes hes doing exactly what hes supposed to do when his receivers cant get open for him. When they open up he makes those plays all the time.
I’m a Bo nix fan, but bro is playing in a very easy offense. I don’t like it when they try and use that to discredit him.
@Dimezprod
Easy offense? Russ couldn’t win in the same offensive scheme
@@islandfantasy5931 They went 8-9 and he had 26 td’s wth are you talking about. Bo nix will never be better than Russ.
@Dimezprod and Bo is currently 9-6 with 22 TD in his rookie season, having to deal with the impact of Russ' dead cap. Bo is already better than Wilson, and he's only getting better.
@@TG22222and bo is gonna finish 9-8 lol. 1 game better with a much better defense in year 2 under sean payton.
Josh Allen, Lamar , Jackson and Justin Herbert are the most talented QBs in the NFL, Patrick Mahones is just the one in the best situation to maximize his abilities
Chill with the Purdy slander and I’m a cowboys fan , the kid has put up a great resume in 3 seasons
I don’t think it was slander. I think he was just saying the truth is if you had four GM’s with an opportunity to take a quarterback that all four would take Herbert over Purdy, even though Purdy’s got four playoff wins. Just like people would take Dan Marino over Nick Foles. Foles has a Super Bowl. Marino does not. Playoff and Super Bowl wins do not automatically decide if a player is good or not.
They hate him because he’s not the typical top QB prospect they all glaze over
Not slander he was making a point
Justin Herbert is the best quarterback in the national football league and not by just a little bit. People are starting to figure that out slowly.
Finally! Naysayers (i.e. Acho) can't look away anymore.
Lol. No. But he's in the top ten
What will Colin do? He has a crush on Jim and Sean... A true love triangle
Chargers hopefully getting JK Dobbins and Denzel Perryman back for IR soon ⚡️
Denzel played and reinjured his groin last night, if I recall correctly
Colin channeling his inner Dylan in this video cause he’s spittin hot🔥🔥🔥. The Herbert slander was torches last night in primetime for any straggling doubters. Best part, it was but a preview; a small taste of the monster this team will become after 2 more full offseasons with Harbaugh.
With 8 seconds left in the half, and Broncos facing a punting situation, most opposing coaches would have let the clock run out. Especially when you're getting your a$$ kicked like the Chargers had been. But Harbaugh isn't like most coaches. So he takes a timeout. Because he never quits, never gives up. And because, as a former NFL player, he knows nothing is a sure thing. As a consequence, those next 8 seconds will literally go down in the books as one of the best coaching calls of this NFL season. That game, and perhaps the Chargers, Broncos playoff hopes turned on a dime with that call. It was shrewd, and it was brilliant.
i like Harbaugh but yeah, any NFL head coach with a shred of sense would call that timeout and force the other team to at least kick it off and maybe send an all out punt block attempt or something.... again, i've always been pro-Harbaugh, but i believe this is what the kids call "glazing" lol it was pretty basic clock management and i've seen it executed that same way in that scenario many many many times over the years
Who's got it better than us?
@@mattcarberry368 Yeah, unfortunately Harbaugh has been pretty bad in game management and decisions with bad challenges, not going on 4th and short, and punting away easy FGs for Dicker.
At least he got it right this time, but he needs to continue to improve in that department.
@@user-gx8dl1dt2y yeah for sure.... i just couldn't figure out why the original post was acting like no coach in NFL history has ever thought of taking a defensive time out to try and get the ball back for a play or two
it wasn't "brilliant", it's something you'd literally be stupid to not do lol pretty basic stuff
As a broncos fan I saw Herbert’s face first half facing Nix and it looked like a dude analyzing and just passionate to win.
Stop flam'n in Joy, Colin!😂😂😂
One thing is certain, the Raiders are cooked for the next decade 😂, AFC WEST has 3 teams who seem to have figured out the coach and QB. One being a lock with Patrick and Andy.
The Broncos are frauds‼️🎯💯💯
two herbert and harbaugh arent going anywhere lmfao unless you meant a lock for the postseason
Harbaugh''s defense is actually a lot different from the one Staley had last year. Sure, big names like Bosa, Mack and Derwin stuck around, but the DL, LB, and secondary saw a drastic makeover. IDLs Sebastien Joseph-Day and Austin Johnson were replaced by Poona Ford and Teair Tart; gone are LBs Kenneth Murray and Eric Kendricks in favor of Daiyan Henley (a carry-over who was underutilized under Staley), Junior Colson , Denzel Perryman and Troy Dye; and the secondary saw a major overhaul with starting CBs Asante Samuel and Michael Davis giving way to Kristian Fulton, Tarheeb Still and Cam Hart. S Derwin James and Alohi Gilman are holdovers, but Elijah Molden also saw significant playing time (not just in dime packages), bolstered by Tony Jefferson and Marcus Maye. Even Bosa and Mack saw their snap counts reduced by Tuli Tuitulopu and Bud Dupree. This defense is not only better qualitatively overall but also much deeper than the previous one.
You always said it Colin since day one I'm amazed at our script this year. With Harbaugh amazing couldn't have said it better you and money.⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️ 👏
Great to see Herbert paired with a coaching icon in Jim Harbaugh and Bo with Sean Payton... The Coach/QB dynamic is the lifeblood of an organization, everything revolves around it. AFC West is gonna be in beast mode for years. Hope Raiders get Sheduer to add to the mix!!
Jumping the Gun on Nix being a franchise QB.
I am a Bronco fans and totally agree. Nix has a chance to be really good, but he is not close to a good franchise QB as of now. And he very well might never be. Bronco fans are so desperate for a good QB that many just ignore some obvious issues Nix has as of now. Again, he has a chance but he is not nearly as good RIGHT NOW as some think.
Colin Cowherd loves him some Herbert
Mahomes glazing needs to stop
Cowherd has always been a fan and of Justin Herbert coming out of the draft.
I’m so tired of hearing “Mahomes like” is this Colin or cris collinsworth
Its a compliment , relax. Mahomes is an all time great
Seriously!!
He's the best qb of all time. Get used to it.
@ no thanks
THANK YOU! Pat has been carried by his coaching and defense the last 2 years . Havnt seen him make a “cool” play all year
Preach Colin, these are the facts I never hear on mainstream media, they treat us Chargers fans like we’re in the crazy house for saying these things!
Bo Nix taking notes and adding chips on the shoulders. AFC West going to be wild. BTW Nix tied Stroud and Herbert's rookie record of games with 200 yards and 2 TDs without a pick. Also tied Elway and Herbert for 3k yards passing and 300 yards rushing in a season. yeah keep talking ceilings, it's high.
Nix is a good QB, but hes behind an Oline that barely allows pressures, a HOF head coach, and a top 3 defense (#1 coming into the game). If his ceiling was as high as people thought, he would be able to throw down the field and win games when the support doesn't help, but he hasn't shown that yet. Multiple games this season, he's been the reason they 've almost lost. I think Nix is good and has a high ceiling, and said before the year that he would be the best rookie QB, but he's gotta sharpen up before he's considered good
@@russamelang1485you’re discounting the Chargers defense with this analysis. The offensive line for the Broncos has generally been great this year but this time around 3 of the 5 played pretty badly. I’m very happy with 27 points against this defense on the road on a short week. Especially with so little help in the skill position groups.
@@russamelang1485 Thank u! Broncos defense has saved Bo a few times. Ex: Last game 3 picks?
Honestly I wouldn’t get excited about tying any rookie records, especially any of Herbert’s. He’s been breaking records but ppl and some analysts say he’s nothing. Nix is good but he won’t get much love because like Herbert they’re stuck in a division dominated by Mahommes. But say he was in another division or conference Nix would be getting all the hype and praise. Just being in the AFC West with Mahommes he’s definitely going to be overshadowed.
I like Bo but I think hes Dak Prescott talent wise. I dont think he has any chance of being at Mahomes/Allen level of talent
That point abt the Chargers O line is 💯. Been bottom 30 most of Herbert’s career.
Like they talk abt Burrow and his O line like it’s the end of the world. Herbert balled in a similar situation without a WR like Jamar Chase
"Mahomes-like" is the laziest analogy in sports. Mahomes hasn't made every single play in the clutch ever, and he didn't make this one, so call it like it is. Herbert came through in the clutch and delivered for his team. It was a pure Justin Herbert moment, plain and simple.
Mahomes never made a play in the clutch?
idk that 13 second drive is probably the most clutch moment in NFL history if not its on a short list of top 3. With something like that I think he earned that 'Mahomes Moment' title
@@bigbrownie930every single play =/= a single play
Any time a qb makes any notable play, people always say something with mahomes. So yeah it’s lazy and just annoying
But it was mahomes like
I agree with everything he said. 100%
Bro Sean Payton can not call plays from the 40-50 yard line
Denver needs Riley Moss back bad. Without him what they are able to do defensively completely changes.
then they don't really have a good defense. Moss is far from really good, so if a far from really good DB makes that much of a difference there is a problem. The biggest issue with Denver's D is a overall lack of talent.
@ I can see how you’d think he’s not good if u haven’t watched him play bc he’s gotten very little praise from the media but that’s expected at DB. When he’s playing they can stay in a man defense and blitz 5 basically the entire game bc of how good their man defense is with him playing.
If I have to give a presentation on confirmation bias I’ll just show Colin talking about anything
⚡⚡⚡PREACH COLIN!!!!⚡⚡⚡
Colin really said Sean Payton was the coach of the year😂😂😂
Herbert has balls he's always playing hurti don't think mahomes could do that we all know mahomes is protected by the NFL that's why he never really gets hurt not to mention the refs always cheat for them
You found a way to praise one player and somehow hate on Mahomes 😂 and then u just lie on top of it. That wasn’t even necessary lil bro
No excuses! Bo Nix and the Broncos defense lost the game. I honestly don’t see the Broncos beating the Bangles and Chiefs. I’m happy for this much wins as a Broncos fan.
People keep forgetting that Herbert was breaking records his rookie year while at the same time Burrow had a broken leg the same rookie season... context is important... and to be fair, me at halftime, I thought here's another Chargers and Herbert loss in a big moment, so I get it too.
I don’t understand the whole Bo Nic has a low ceiling.. the kid has so much going for him and he continues to get better. Also I don’t see it being a problem having Mahomes and Herbert 2x a year. Clearly he has shown he can keep up, and he is just a rookie. Sky’s the limit for that young man.
Think of it this way
Herbert is 26
Bo Nix is 24
Herbert is only two years older yet is a 5 year vet
Herbert broke all those rookie records when he was 21.
At Bo’s age Herbert was in year 3 in the NFL
Im loving all the hate that this young man is getting right now! Thats right be mad! Lets go Chargers!!!⚡️
Broncos ❤
And of course Colin will forget them in his top 10 list.
Wrong, Denver just blew the game. Leading 24-13 at half, then they didn’t score again until 57 seconds remaining in the game.
Draft placement 😮
This is not basically the same team as last year. There has been a revolving door at LBs and DBs. It takes an elite GM team to keep the defensive stats from falling off a cliff with so much turnover. Previous years you always said the same thing: this team had too many injuries, they can't compete. This year they had about the same, but injuries were not the excuse for a losing record.
Nix is good, but not sure he's a franchise guy yet, at least he hopefully will and thats good for us right now
So depleted throwing to a first round pick receiver and a 2nd round pick receiver and 2 first round tackles protecting him.
With a porous middle of the O-line and no running game, and only a rookie slot receiver that he can trust on 3rd downs. His X receiver has stone hands rn, his tight ends are a MASH unit, and no one else can get open consistently.
It's great to have 2 good tackles but when the A gaps are a freeway for the opposing D, QB-ing ain't easy.
Context, context, context . . .
⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️BOLT TF UP
Preach it Colin! I knew we has a good one when on year 2. Aaron Rodgers watch JH on the sidelines and gave him a tap on the shoulder.
lol where is this energy EVER for Jalen Hurts and the Eagles?
Chargers needs Higgins and another great WR
"First half is all about coaching second half its all about talent". From that logic, Denver got the right coach between Payton and Harbaugh.
Bolt up!! I love you Herbert ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Herbert is the only Oregon QB to be good in the NFL. Good coaching matters.
Fouts is in the HOF
@@jaytaylor2312 Nobody I know has ever heard of him. /s
@@amenbrother8818
Google Dan Fouts.
You are right though he went to Oregon 50 years ago
They produce 2 good QBs a century
Dont compare him to that cry baby mahomes . Herbert is herbert
“He had Harbaugh come to him!” Uuuuuuuuuh… Harbaugh wanted the job in Chicago! 🤦🏻♂️
That Harbaugh dude's lucky.
@ , more than anything it‘s just BS. He‘s literally saying that Harbaugh chose the Chargers because of Herbert. But in fact, he chose the Bears first, and the only reason he didn’t take the job is that the Bears turned him down.
@@danielet.7527 Smart move on their part.
Denver is going to have to be a new iteration of the 1998 team if they want to have a chance at winning the AFC West down the road.
Bo Nix is a checkdown merchant.
Herbert is 1 of 2 QB’s to have a winning record with the 32nd ranked defense ALL TIME… but burrow is better right?..
Until we get a better HC/DC, we won’t go anywhere
Colin, you're mistaken if you think Bo Nix, after two years of getting more weapons, will consistently be outperformed by Herbert and Mahomes. Bo Nix is not a Drew Brees, as some claim; he's more like a right-handed version of Steve Young, and I believe he will win a Super Bowl. On the other hand, I don't think Herbert will ever achieve that. Let’s wait and see what Nix accomplishes on the field. Mark my words: he’s going to be great. His drive, determination, and competitiveness are second to none.
[2:52] Objectively; Brock Purdy’s average Quarterback Rating is 104.9 in Three seasons vs Herbert’s 96.4 in Five… Plus, the 49ers did get rid of a First round pick in favour of Mister Irrelevant…
So there might be One or Two GM’s that would take him over Herbert, especially since he has led the 49ers to a couple of NFC championships and a Super Bowl…
🤔
What qb can overcome bad coaching?? 1st in late drives...bottom ranked defense 😅😅😅
Don’t disagree with anything Colin says here. If the Raiders can get a new QB, the division could be as good or better than the NFC North.
Bro stop talking about mahomes. Herbert is generational in his own career and will be the greatest of all time
Can we appreciate good qbs without mentioning mahomo
😂😂 purdy catching strays I see
"Mahomes like"? Was nobody doing shuffle passes before Patrick? Hate how people cant stop them selves from bringing up the chiefs while complimenting another team.
They were wrong about the Vikings again this year lol the o/u was 6.5 wins and they’re already at 12 lol
First round exit 👍
@ that’s gonna be impossible
Coach would have went to Baltimore, Chief, Washington and even Chicago so that’s not saying much.
Context matters?? Wow what a revelation
The Chargers squeaked by a developing Broncos team.
Let’s chill a bit.
Chargers weren’t supposed to win this many games either
Please Colin, stop saying that the Chargers D has the same players as last year. They don't: Puna Ford, Tiarre Tart, Troy Dye, Cam Hart, Tarheeb Still, Bud Dupree, Tony Jefferson. All new and all making big contributions
Excellent point!
Justin Herbert is underrated🤷♂️
Bo Nix, he's not top talent. It's not hate. It's just honesty. Nice guy, good teammate, hard worker. As a quarterback, he's a slight upgrade. He's not a franchise changer. He's going to need a lot of help.
These guys all made it to the nfl regardless 😂 don’t belittle them to make herb look good
The camera angles in the Buffalo vs New England were to tight . You could not see where the teams were on the field , you couldn’t see the plays develop. You had no idea what the safeties and wide receivers were going because they weren’t on the screen . Absolutely Terrible job .
Camera angles matter, good observation.
Comparing Herbert to Matt Stafford without using the context that Stafford had to leave his original team to win a playoff game is so funny watching media spin narratives the way they want. And the one playoff game that Herbert was in he choked. But okay use Matthew Stafford to give yourself justification for Justin Herbert