Has anyone been held accountable for directly violating a court order NOT to open the safe deposit boxes? I'd be in jail and fined into poverty for doing that.
@@buckeyenative1365Not necessarily. The best way to avoid culpability is to not see. “Why don’t you go on break?” Is a common enough situation to avoid having a guilty conscience.
Misplaced? Lost? Really? Seriously? When it's one of the agency's main purposes is to account for and protect "evidence" for purposes of prosecution, these explanations don't fly.
It shouldn’t take a group of highly intelligent attorneys to get Civil Asset Forfeiture overturned at The Supreme Court level. I ask myself WHY it hasn’t been overturned. It’s because these government criminals have gotten so used to stuffing their pockets, not one wants it overturned.
I'm pretty sure states, police departments, etc. would rather drop an asset forfeiture case than allow it to go to the Supreme Court out of fear that it would be overturned.
You seriously think the government i.e. SCOTUS is going to rule against the government i.e. law enforcement? They are the ones that created the fake doctrine of qualified immunity in the first place. And the insurmountable hurdle to overcome it. The government does not like the constitution. That document is specifically written to protect you and me from them. Every thing they have done has been a systematic way of circumventing the constitution.
When I was a police detective we worked with another agency on a search warrant of a storage unit. My Chief called me several hours later inquiring about a missing $20,000 cash. Our butts were on the line until I found photo copies of the money and the signed receipt showing that I did in fact sign it over to a detective with the other agency. He was arrested on a felony theft charge and fired
They investigated themselves and determined they did nothing wrong. Besides if there's no case law that says FBI agents are prohibited from stealing gold coins then they can't be prosecuted. 😠
At this point, I wouldn't believe an FBI agent if they told me that I could stand to lose a few pounds. Were I on a jury, I wouldn't convict someone of jaywalking based on the testimony of an FBI agent.
@@franko8572 Hey man you run across the highway when you sure as hell no walking isn't allowed I'm voting to convict that, now if we're talking city streets naw.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusketEven city streets work on a scale. Crossing against a light or mid-block when there is nobody around is a victimless crime. On the flip side, I have seen, more than once, tourists walk out into active traffic to the middle of the intersection and stop for a while and take photos down the street because they think it looks cool. Cars honking at them, active traffic either stopping or going by them at speed, pure madness. I’d vote to convict that kind of thing. Or large tour groups who live by the theory that if the group starts across a road, they all get to keep walking even if the light changes and the back of the group is now holding up traffic because they’d rather not wait their turn.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse unless you are a law enforcement officer paid more than you could make in any other job, in which case ignorance of the law is encouraged as the perfect excuse for committing any and all crimes against innocent citizens.
They knew they were already breaking the law violating the search warrant which said they couldn't open the boxes. The criminals pocketed some retirement cash knowing nothing will ever happen to them, they don't wear bodycams either
@mattgayda2840 If they were required by law to wear body cams, they still wouldn't do it. Eventually people are going to realize they work for the government, but until then they all pretend everything's perfectly fine and normal.
@@danielseelye6005 could be a cover up. could be that the fbi are incompetent and hardly ever find real criminals and they really didn't find any wrong doings becasue they are stupid XD
@@dirtyfrench2926 Rad was still rad as they participated in the conversation showing agreement. Another might have shown disagreement. You only ridiculed another without adding anything at all of value to the actual conversation. I'm sorry for the pain you must be feeling. I hope it subsides soon. Blessings of peace on you, my friend.
Yes, worried that somebody would get an injunction telling them to stop immediately, and they would not be able to steal the lot. On the Misc stuff, they could have had the original declaration of independance for the USA there, but merely have written it down as Misc papers, in the same line as a pack of used tissues.
Courts don't move that quickly. It's far more likely that it's administrative. That they didn't want people tied up for the time it would have taken to do it right. (To be clear, if true that's pathetic)
AG Garland is too busy issuing special prosecutors for popular media topics like Donald Trump and Hunter Biden to give this faint blip much thought. Republicans would never let him live it down that he would be targeting _his own people._
It's against policy to use bodycams at all for most federal agencies, or law enforcement on joint operations. Federal Agents being authorized bodycams, and required to activate them should be required, especially for raids and inventory work. My understanding is policy has changed, slowly, to allow bodycams more routinely.
We fought hard for law enforcement to wear bodycams & cops are constantly MUTING & turning them off. That's not what we had in mind. It defeats the purpose. I think each officer's bodycam should be livestreamed on the internet where we can watch their entire 8 hour shift! Why not? Bathroom breaks can be blurred. People who want copies of bodycam footage should be able to download it straight from the internet for a small fee. Keep them honest.
@@spudgamer6049 The privacy concerns need to be addressed separately from the live downloading of bodycams. The police should be recording 100% of the time they are on duty or interfacing with the public in an official capacity. Access to those recordings should be as free as possible, but also take into account privacy concerns. As we all know, there are some nosy SOBs out there that would use that footage for stalking, either of the public or a particular cop. I can't see all of that comfortably residing in a single law.
The saddest part is that the individual agents responsible for _"misplacing"_ the missing items will never be identified, let alone be held responsible.
@@ssnerd583 When a thief or FBI agent pilfers coins, he isn't going to sell them for collector value, he's gonaa' take as close to spot as he can. Besides we have no idea what mint issued the coins. If krugerrands they only value is spot, since they don't have a face value.
@@LMacNeill I guarantee anyone standing outside a High School or College asking students the meaning of the word "facist" will get mostly wrong answers & shrugged shoulders. In deep Blue Cities like LA, NY, Seattle, & Portland they'll say it's white, conservative, Trump supporters. 🤯
Doesn't matter what the owners of the boxes claim their box contained , the FBI wasn't suppose to be in the boxes. One penny alone can be worth $115,000.
Agreed. The SECOND the FBI fucked up in this way, the GOVERNMENT should be hit with a $50 BILLION fine paid to the Victims, and if the Government does that pay within 1 Month time, the FBI get their powers Revoked, every single Agent becomes a Criminals, and the Organization destroyed and removed, revoking all laws, protects, unions, and everything else the FBI is tied to. The Government must face HEAVY DAMAGE and PENALTY if they fucked up and hurt ANY Citizen, in ANY way, no matter HOW little the damage is, even $0.1c of damage is too much. And they should be HEAVILY punished for it. Through Violence if needed to remove the Corruption.
I'll say it. Some of the agents involved admired some of these items and stashed them away in their desks or lockers or whatever until these items were "forgotten" about and they could then take them home. They weren't documented or videoed for just this reason. They knew there was going to be a fight over this stuff. They just hid some until it all died down. They magically found "Some" of that guy's coins when they realized he wasn't going away. They held onto the others trying to convince him to drop the lawsuit. But we all know some agents were planning on taking them home at some point.
As a juror, I could never believe the testimony of anyone from the FBI in court. It's a shame that this once prestigious agency's reputation has disintegrated.
I'm one of those coin collectors who has a lot of "miscellaneous" coins. If someone took a coin of mine it might not move the needle and it might cost me thousands to replace. In some cases, like with Steve I could never replace it because of the memories associated with it or the beauty of a particular coin. To handle a raid like this would be like calling an IKEA side table and a 400 year old chair miscellaneous furniture for insurance purposes
@@ateamfan42 Feds were never supposed to involved in internal matters of the states, that was all left to the states in the US Constitution. Feds were only supposed to deal with foreign nations on behalf of the states.
@@aj.j5833 The states were supposed to fund the fed too. Yet here we are paying federal income tax directly. A lot has changed from what the founding fathers setup in the 18th century, and not all of it for the better.
I use to drink morning coffee with two retired police officers. The one thing that they both advised me of, was never trust or talk to a federal officer.
Well federal officers are supposedly there to police the police, so it's kinda like a drug dealer saying not to trust cops. But also we shouldn't trust cops, local state or federal. We shouldn't have any police other than sherif departments at the maximum, do away with all other law enforcement. It's redundant and a waste of money and it causes us to be victimized
That's the key. There is someone who made the decision to raid the boxes contrary to court order, and someone (maybe the same someone) who made the decision to do so without videotaping the event - something that even individual agents should have demanded to protect themselves from later complaints. Those individuals should be at a minimum, fired, and probably prosecuted. Sovereign immunity doesn't protect them given they were clearly NOT doing their jobs, violating court orders.
“Investing your money in gold, who does that.” Investing your money in a savings account, who does that. Buying a house, who does that. Yeah, who does anything. Everyone. I got a good one: rob numerous unrelated safe deposit boxes, who does that?
What's the difference between incompetence and criminality in this case? 4th Amendment protections were violated, and now there is accountability that NEEDS to take place. Because the boxes were opened and inventoried WITHOUT a warrant, the FBI and ALL the officers involved should be personally accountable for the damages.
bow you know why they are so keen to remove 2A and ban all guns. if they are this openly violating the people now (and ppl keep letting them get away with it) imagine what will happen if there is no more way to fight back
Yeah, I don't like all the lawyer weasel words. The FBI stole it. What happened afterwards is irrelevant. A thief saying they "lost" something is nonsense. All involved in the theft should be prosecuted. This is why we need private prosecution revived in the USA, so corrupt government employees can be held to account.
There was a warrant to seize the structure around the boxes but they didn’t have warrants for the contents of the boxes, from the stories I have heard. This could have done easier, use some type of tamper evident seal, leave ALL the boxes closed and put those seals on the boxes. Then figure out which boxes are suspected to contain criminal contents and video the opening of those. The rest go back to registered owners unopened.
@@ryanlukens9280 that would have prevented them from robbing ppl and enriching themselves. Can't have that. Difference between fbi and a street gang: street gang steals feom you. Fbi steals from you while getting paid with your taxes
Ruby Ridge , Waco are perfect examples of FBI incompetence . Less government is the answer and not more but we all know that the government has to be bloated to live in the " freest country in the world " . lol
Only reason i can imagine them not recording themselves opposing the boxes was to reduce the amount of evidence there would be of them committing multiple thefts
Probably because they knew that at least a couple of the most valuable boxes might not be claimed.... Like say the cartel had a guy with a box there and there was 40m worth of gold or diamonds or cash or bitcoin.... they expect that the cartel will just not pursue the money, and if the only record of it is a piece of paper, it can be edited later to say that nothing of value was found. Or most likely, so that the agents could take some home with them.
The FBI should be order to find and return all missing coins or be considered a criminal organisation. Membership in criminal organisations are a crime I believe.
After that WACO (Texas) shoot-out, (some years back), Law Enforcement promptly took possession of BOTH front doors to the main building . Full size front doors. Like the ones which have a left and right front door which close together. When those WACO cases came to courts, only ONE of the doors was presented in evidence. The cops involved claimed they "couldn't find" the other door. A full sized, approx 6 foot 6inch tall, , by 2 foot 6 inches wide, door. I am no conspiracy theorist, but there are claims that the Waco siege (and ensuing massacre) that Law Enforcement fired first , whereas they claimed that the people inside fired at them, through the closed doors. Even the most basic CSI , could easily tell if a wooden door had been shot through, from the inside, or from the outside. The missing door could therefore be a "smoking gun" proof that it was the cops that fired first and effectively murdered the people inside, including the unarmed women and children. Before a thorough crime scene investigation had occurred, Law Enforcement also deliberately bulldozed walls down into the basement levels, again destroying evidence that may have pointed to illegal and improper use of force against unarmed civilians, by some of those in Law Enforcement.
Sure its rushed and frenzied...they dont want the other agents getting to the good stuff before they do. Its like a bunch of kids all looking for the prize egg on Easter morning.
It's because you can't steal it once other agents have seen it. If you're the first to open the box, you can steal anything without worrying that you will be caught. So they all rush in and quick go through it and steal their favorite stuff
Yes but once one wins in court, and they have been proven to have been economical with record keeping, all the claimants claims will have to be classed as entirely true, as there is nothing to say that they were not. Likely to be a very expensive day for them then, especially if people ask for the original documents back they had there, or their late dead child's shoes. Or grandma's wedding band and earrings, which was there for safe keeping in the box.
@@bartsanders1553 And, unfortunately, it's too much to hope for that the agents and supervisors involved would not simply lose their jobs but also face criminal charges for abusing their authority, misrepresenting info to the warrant issuing judge, obstruction of justice, abuse of constitutionally protected rights, etc.
@@SeanBZA I could have video'd and fully documented, with federal agent witnesses, every deposit into that box, but that doesn't cover the possibility that I then removed those items from the box later. There would need to be a fresh, impartial inventory of the box every time I accessed it. Thus, the perfect crime on the part of the FBI, they know there is no way to prove what was in the boxes.
A statement my 11-year-old daughter said to me, When we watch 2 police cars go up a one way street clearly marked one way. In order to get food from a food truck. She said, “when you are the law, you can break the law…”
I’m assuming most everyone has seen the video on police seizing a military vets life savings, during a vehicle stop, however if not, I’ll attach it below. This video brought it to mind. Well worth watching.
FBI: "Dismiss your complaint and fial a formal complaint with us and we will look for it." Me: "No. You are going to return the coins or the equivalent value. You and your agents failed in your fiscal duties."
Even if none of it was stolen and it's all just in a pile somewhere, the fact that they can't tell what belongs to who means they did a criminally terrible job of logging the evidence. Also, what if one or more of these boxes ended up being germane to a future prosecution? They just screwed up their ability to actually use this as evidence to support a future case!
The FBI and Law Enforcement has been doing this since the beginning, when the FBI was first founded. The greater American public loved it when it was happening to the “others”. Back when it was minorities, civil rights leaders, gay people or anyone accused of being “communists “. Now it’s starting to happen to “regular “ folks and suddenly it’s just unconscionable and outrageous.
What they did here IS unconscionable and outrageous and what they have done to others in the past was equally preposterous. For all we know everyone at US Private Vaults is a gay communist civil rights leader and this raid is no less wicked for it. Maybe I missed the point you were making but I don't see how racists' and homophobes' of the past make any of this better.
@@zeitgeistzebra it’s like Niemöller once said: “First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me” The FBI has done much worse than stealing peoples valuables. Anytime you give any group of people a hero status just for being a member of a group, regardless if it’s the military, Fire Department, Police, CIA, FBI, Sanitation Department, church or whatever alphabet soup you throw together, you WILL breed abuse and corruption. Bad actors are attracted to those organizations like a moth to flames. It practically a law of nature.
At this point, they've disregarded the Judge's orders (which they never intended to follow), ignored the boundaries of the warrant, and did not follow their documentation procedures for their raid. Can we say that they've lost their immunity and start the process of getting a special prosecutor?
The "Bad Actors" should be held personally liable for the fines so that future bad actors will be clear that they are not acting "in an official capacity" when they are breaking the law under the guise of working for the government (at any level).
@@FlyMIfYouGotMThe problem with that is they are broke. They have no money except what they take from you and me. There entire operating budget is paid by you and me. Any settlements are paid by you and me. This is true whether it be a cop or the FBI.
As a metal detector also,,I know what you mean about going back to the exact spot a certain coin was found. I found a 1858 flying eagle penny,,a very rare coin. And I know exactly where it was in the ground. Them big silver halfs look so good when first spotted in the dirt!! especially if it is dark black soil
Based on your mentioning of IJ and the good work they do, I made a donation to them. I received an email thanking me for my modest donation. That impressed me!
❤ I think the judge that signed the warrant put in it that the FBI was not to open the Safety Deposit boxes but to secure them? Didn't you say that before?
Yes, wonder if he will rescind the order now, which would immediately place it on them to make good all claims. All watching in the USA should write a letter to their congresscritter saying you demand they immediately put pressure on them to return all the stolen articles immediately, and that they need to bring in a bill to prevent such warrantless theft of goods and chattels immediately.
@@virginiamoss7045 Yes that's why I Capitalize it. NOT SAFE AT ALL. JUST WAIT UNTIL THE IRS COMES TO PEOPLE'S DOORS AND TAKES THEIR PHYSICAL GOLD THEY HAVE BEEN BUYING.
The Govt. is no longer a reliable and trustworthy representative of the people. They allow authorities like the FBI aa well as other law enforcement to operate without any real scrutiny, oversight or accountability. The fact that some 'coins' were located, and weren't properly documented and stored, illustrates that the Govt. itself has no intention to see that these agency's act professionally or fairly. The facts here show an agency (FBI) that seems to have begun and continued this search with every intention of keeping the loot. How can Govt. Representatives be trusted any more with this continuous activity cropping up everywhere.?
AGREED! We the People need to organize to demand National Police Reform. Write down a list of demands. A few examples can be to end qualified immunity, make it illegal to mute bodycams, make bodycam footage available within 48 hrs of a simple record request for a small fee. Replace I.A with a group of citizens with no affiliation to cops or politicians by blood or marriage. Cops are off the hook with no accountability & America has turned into a Police state with cops asking for our papers like we're Jewish & it's Natzi Germany. Someday an incident is going to occur that will be the last straw. People will eventually snap.
When our home was damaged, the restoration company listed among the items thrown away "documents". What does "documents" consist of? Expired coupons? Birth certificate?
They knew the lawsuits would come. But they also know most people can’t afford lawyers and why should people be responsible to pay an attorney to get their own stuff back that the FBI stole? If they have 2000 in the box, it will cost them more to hire an attorney. Lose lose.
When the cops are bigger crooks than the criminals. They got some coins from the agents that decided to bring them back. All the monies from asset forfeiture should be inventoried and every penny accounted for and none of it goes straight into police pockets. If a cop gets a bonus from any of that money then it's a conflict of interest.
The screwed up part about this is no one's going to get in trouble for this worst-case is somebody loses their job or gets demoted the government cannot be responsible for anything they are not capable we already know this we have to stop letting them be responsible for anything
Names of every crooked FBI mobster that's every one of them at that location needs to be listed, these items definitely were stolen , when you inventory things especially for law enforcement purposes they don't wind up lost all items are inventoried and secured,it was a five-finger discount.
My friend worked for a large security company, that worked for the FBI, they would get hired to secure large places, ships, farms, the FBI seized a large horse ranch and the security company took care of it for over 2 years, they had to feed the animals, cut grass, shovel shit, and everything it takes to run a place.
The judge who initially authorized the seizure needs to retract that authorization, and the FBI needs to take a loss on this, or they'll keep doing it. The surest way to ensure continued bad behavior is to reward it, and letting them keep any of the goods they seized would be such a reward. I wonder if this could become a class action lawsuit?
CHAIN OF CUSTODY RECORDS is in the policy and procedure handbook yet the State and Gov. Agencies always seem to forget to not to violate policies when it best benefits agents and their agencies and then forget to investigate and punish violators and allow all agents bad deeds to go unpunished when investigating themselves and find no wrong doing except all the policy violations they forget to mention and just say no crime here and tell you to accept that answer then go away and dont come back we will come for you and everythjng you got.
Wait, we're talking about the stuff in the boxes that the court explicitly said on the warrant LEOs could not keep, right? This is so wrong. It's infuriating. Makes me rethink how I would keep my stuff if I had anything valuable. How are these folks going to prove what was in the boxes? If I ever have anything valuable enough to put in a safe deposit box, you can bet I'll record what I put in there. That would not have occurred to me prior to this video. Thanks, Steve. Kudos to IJ once again.
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It seems the consensus of law enforcement today (especially federal) is not to ask what is the right thing for them to do, but rather what can they lawfully get away with. 😢
@@bartsanders1553 I suspect it depends on "who" loses said bayonet ... or maybe a F35 jet ... or a bunch of guns to some revolutionaries in an "non democratic" state
Why didn't they, FBI just leave the boxes in place then secure the building and have some one with computer skills open the files and call the people who have boxes. Make appointments for them to come and get their contents all under the eyes of the FBI... Sounds so shady that all of the FBI agents should be fire and place in jail!!!! FBI Bosses first and maybe the owners of the business were Rail Roaded to get to the contents since it was in The Beverly Hills/ Hollywood area, where rich people would place their goods!!!!
The saddest part of this entire affair is that not a single FBI agent or manager will spend any time in jail or even be charged. They had no legal authority to open those boxes. The warrant specifically forbid doing so.
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Issues like this used to be "Breaking News of the Upmost Importance and Scrutiny". But these days, this is just another run of the mill story, one of many equivalents, business of usual. What a mess our country has become.
Call me crazy but does not saying you are going to inventory the contents of the boxes means you are going to make an actual list of what was in them? Saying there was *stuff* in them would not have required them being opened. I do believe it is obvious the FBI never thought they would be challenged.
They were in a hurry to steal and they need to be shut down and each and every one of them needs to be investigated in detail for all of their numerous crimes.
"Why are they in a hurry?" Thieves are always in a hurry, and courts don't care that the government is the thief.
Wonder how well it would work to not file IRS tax forms because I didn't have time.
@@jrstfIt would work great, so long as you're willing to die for the cause like they are.
Most likely thought that someone would get a court order stopping the random breaking and entering.
Has anyone been held accountable for directly violating a court order NOT to open the safe deposit boxes? I'd be in jail and fined into poverty for doing that.
No and they won't be because they know the right people.
Unfortunately above the law and accountability
Not in Joe Bidens FBI. It's a free for all obviously.
@atomicskull6405 They vote for the correct people, and love being a boot on the throat of the citizens of this country.
Someone got pay
Nothing would have been lost or stolen if the FBI had just stayed out of it. This situation stinks from top to bottom.
Plenty was stolen, but the "lost" items are only lost on paper. The agents involved with doing the inventory know exactly who has those items.
@@buckeyenative1365Not necessarily. The best way to avoid culpability is to not see. “Why don’t you go on break?” Is a common enough situation to avoid having a guilty conscience.
@@buckeyenative1365 the people they sold the stuff to to buy a new boat?
The search warrant specifically said they were not to open the boxes that weren’t related to the warrant.
@@arycosta7293 "open and steal what's inside" you say?
Misplaced? Lost? Really? Seriously? When it's one of the agency's main purposes is to account for and protect "evidence" for purposes of prosecution, these explanations don't fly.
The FBI assumed the victims would never get the stuff back, thus some agents may have pilfered it.
Follow the money of the FBI and ALL the People involved, jointly and severally.
"May have," LOL, good one, tony.
Oops! 😅
It shouldn’t take a group of highly intelligent attorneys to get Civil Asset Forfeiture overturned at The Supreme Court level.
I ask myself WHY it hasn’t been overturned.
It’s because these government criminals have gotten so used to stuffing their pockets, not one wants it overturned.
We've lost control of our government. Time to take it back!!
Not with this SCOTUS.
And in the best case litigation would cost millions of $
I'm pretty sure states, police departments, etc. would rather drop an asset forfeiture case than allow it to go to the Supreme Court out of fear that it would be overturned.
You seriously think the government i.e. SCOTUS is going to rule against the government i.e. law enforcement? They are the ones that created the fake doctrine of qualified immunity in the first place. And the insurmountable hurdle to overcome it. The government does not like the constitution. That document is specifically written to protect you and me from them. Every thing they have done has been a systematic way of circumventing the constitution.
When I was a police detective we worked with another agency on a search warrant of a storage unit. My Chief called me several hours later inquiring about a missing $20,000 cash. Our butts were on the line until I found photo copies of the money and the signed receipt showing that I did in fact sign it over to a detective with the other agency. He was arrested on a felony theft charge and fired
The theft should be treated as a crime and if found guilty gone to jail for a long time
@@bbrut3332nah.. It was abandoned property and he was "serve and protect" it.. 😂😂😂
@@bbrut3332 theft IS a crime.
It was my understanding the FBI’s warrant, explicitly told them not to open the boxes. How is someone not getting charged with a crime?
They investigated themselves and determined they did nothing wrong.
Besides if there's no case law that says FBI agents are prohibited from stealing gold coins then they can't be prosecuted. 😠
I emailed the judge’s office back when this story first broke and asked them the same question. No response.
because conspiracy charges are for the poors. "we have investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent. So do you if you know what's good for you"
Take a guess...? They "investigated" ,and found they did nohing wrong...
At this point, I wouldn't believe an FBI agent if they told me that I could stand to lose a few pounds. Were I on a jury, I wouldn't convict someone of jaywalking based on the testimony of an FBI agent.
Dang, so you would actually convict a jaywalker under different circumstances?
@@franko8572 Hey man you run across the highway when you sure as hell no walking isn't allowed I'm voting to convict that, now if we're talking city streets naw.
Even if the FBI told me bacon tastes good and boobs are fun I'd still have to verify for myself. I sure wouldn't believe them.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusketEven city streets work on a scale. Crossing against a light or mid-block when there is nobody around is a victimless crime. On the flip side, I have seen, more than once, tourists walk out into active traffic to the middle of the intersection and stop for a while and take photos down the street because they think it looks cool. Cars honking at them, active traffic either stopping or going by them at speed, pure madness. I’d vote to convict that kind of thing. Or large tour groups who live by the theory that if the group starts across a road, they all get to keep walking even if the light changes and the back of the group is now holding up traffic because they’d rather not wait their turn.
At this point? The FBI usually has a good track record for this kind of stuff.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse unless you are a law enforcement officer paid more than you could make in any other job, in which case ignorance of the law is encouraged as the perfect excuse for committing any and all crimes against innocent citizens.
Yeah.. Especially when the well-trained law abiding 🐑 🐑 keep giving power and 💵 to the racket.. 😄😄
They knew they were already breaking the law violating the search warrant which said they couldn't open the boxes. The criminals pocketed some retirement cash knowing nothing will ever happen to them, they don't wear bodycams either
@mattgayda2840 If they were required by law to wear body cams, they still wouldn't do it.
Eventually people are going to realize they work for the government, but until then they all pretend everything's perfectly fine and normal.
We need to end Civil Asset Forfeiture, from the Local to the Federal level
We can end it tomorrow if we want. You just need the stomach for second amendment solutions.
They have gotten away with this behavior for years and do not care about people's property.
There should be names of agents involved in this theft ! Arrest Them !
"We have investigated our agents and found nothing wrong. They are released and promoted."
@@danielseelye6005 could be a cover up. could be that the fbi are incompetent and hardly ever find real criminals and they really didn't find any wrong doings becasue they are stupid XD
Who's gonna arrest them?? GODS?? 😂😂
Just fire them and make sure they cannot hold any government positions!
When you gonna learn that the FBI is more corrupt than the mob. Stop trusting them
City police, county sheriffs, state police, and now the FBI... gotta love all the "good" cops, eh?
There aren't any.
@@rad4579I like your parrot impersonation, your mom must be proud. That's literally what the OP is saying hoss.
The good ones left when they were given a choice of gene therapy vaccine or loss of job.
@@dirtyfrench2926 Rad was still rad as they participated in the conversation showing agreement. Another might have shown disagreement. You only ridiculed another without adding anything at all of value to the actual conversation. I'm sorry for the pain you must be feeling. I hope it subsides soon. Blessings of peace on you, my friend.
What an intelligent, well supported comment. @@rad4579
"Why are they in a hurry"? Because they know they were exceeding the court order and needed to get it seized ASAP before the courts catch up?
Yes, worried that somebody would get an injunction telling them to stop immediately, and they would not be able to steal the lot. On the Misc stuff, they could have had the original declaration of independance for the USA there, but merely have written it down as Misc papers, in the same line as a pack of used tissues.
BOOM!
Bingo!
Exactly. I said the same thing when Steve asked that question.
Courts don't move that quickly. It's far more likely that it's administrative. That they didn't want people tied up for the time it would have taken to do it right. (To be clear, if true that's pathetic)
Sounds like it's time to issue some search warrants, but we all know that will never happen.
AG Garland is too busy issuing special prosecutors for popular media topics like Donald Trump and Hunter Biden to give this faint blip much thought. Republicans would never let him live it down that he would be targeting _his own people._
And if it does "We searched ourselves and found no stolen coins" will be the response.
Body cameras for all FBI agents. Turning it off = termination.
And an automatic prison sentence of ten years.
It's against policy to use bodycams at all for most federal agencies, or law enforcement on joint operations.
Federal Agents being authorized bodycams, and required to activate them should be required, especially for raids and inventory work. My understanding is policy has changed, slowly, to allow bodycams more routinely.
We fought hard for law enforcement to wear bodycams & cops are constantly MUTING & turning them off. That's not what we had in mind. It defeats the purpose.
I think each officer's bodycam should be livestreamed on the internet where we can watch their entire 8 hour shift! Why not? Bathroom breaks can be blurred. People who want copies of bodycam footage should be able to download it straight from the internet for a small fee. Keep them honest.
@@spudgamer6049 Not the same thing.
@@spudgamer6049 The privacy concerns need to be addressed separately from the live downloading of bodycams. The police should be recording 100% of the time they are on duty or interfacing with the public in an official capacity. Access to those recordings should be as free as possible, but also take into account privacy concerns. As we all know, there are some nosy SOBs out there that would use that footage for stalking, either of the public or a particular cop.
I can't see all of that comfortably residing in a single law.
The saddest part is that the individual agents responsible for _"misplacing"_ the missing items will never be identified, let alone be held responsible.
Aren't theives always in a hurry? BTW, Each of those gold coins are currently worth about $1900 each.
THAT amount is JUST the melt value......not the numismatic value. Some one ounce gold coins are worth millions of dollars.
2150 on average unless ms70 then 3500
@@ssnerd583 When a thief or FBI agent pilfers coins, he isn't going to sell them for collector value, he's gonaa' take as close to spot as he can. Besides we have no idea what mint issued the coins. If krugerrands they only value is spot, since they don't have a face value.
"We investigated ourselves and have found no wrongdoing." I totally trust those words. NOT!
You must be one of those "anti-government fascists."
That's an actual term someone used.😂
@@bartsanders1553 LOL!! Clearly someone who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "fascist." 😂
@@LMacNeill I guarantee anyone standing outside a High School or College asking students the meaning of the word "facist" will get mostly wrong answers & shrugged shoulders. In deep Blue Cities like LA, NY, Seattle, & Portland they'll say it's white, conservative, Trump supporters. 🤯
This is typical FBI behavior at the typical FBI honesty level!
Cointelpro.
The mere fact that a portion of the "lost" coins were recovered tells me that agents just stole them.
The rest were probably already sold by the thieves.
Doesn't matter what the owners of the boxes claim their box contained , the FBI wasn't suppose to be in the boxes. One penny alone can be worth $115,000.
I still go through my pennies hoping to stumble upon a 1943 copper penny
Agreed. The SECOND the FBI fucked up in this way, the GOVERNMENT should be hit with a $50 BILLION fine paid to the Victims, and if the Government does that pay within 1 Month time, the FBI get their powers Revoked, every single Agent becomes a Criminals, and the Organization destroyed and removed, revoking all laws, protects, unions, and everything else the FBI is tied to.
The Government must face HEAVY DAMAGE and PENALTY if they fucked up and hurt ANY Citizen, in ANY way, no matter HOW little the damage is, even $0.1c of damage is too much. And they should be HEAVILY punished for it. Through Violence if needed to remove the Corruption.
@@eddo1983or a 42 steel
@@eddo1983I just did. I looked it up and it's worth about $5, even in the "fair" condition it's in.😊
I'm a little short. Could I borrow a penny?
I'll say it. Some of the agents involved admired some of these items and stashed them away in their desks or lockers or whatever until these items were "forgotten" about and they could then take them home. They weren't documented or videoed for just this reason. They knew there was going to be a fight over this stuff. They just hid some until it all died down. They magically found "Some" of that guy's coins when they realized he wasn't going away. They held onto the others trying to convince him to drop the lawsuit. But we all know some agents were planning on taking them home at some point.
Exactly, they knew that some of the stuff was gonna go unclaimed, and that stuff was fair game for any individual to take home.
Nah.. They were donating them to the office petty cash box for the next team building events.. 😂😂😂
@JP-ho6zc some of them probably went into the office swear jar when they found out about the lawsuit.😂
@@jplum7708 you know everything is so expensive nowadays.. 💵💵😄😄
I'll wager they immediately split it up and took it home.
As a juror, I could never believe the testimony of anyone from the FBI in court. It's a shame that this once prestigious agency's reputation has disintegrated.
Really.. So you didn't know how crooked was their first director?? 😂😂😂
They've never been honest or prestigious.
I have a sister-in-law who tried over 3-4 years to work for the FBI as an office worker & had all the qualifications but never was hired!!
I'm one of those coin collectors who has a lot of "miscellaneous" coins. If someone took a coin of mine it might not move the needle and it might cost me thousands to replace. In some cases, like with Steve I could never replace it because of the memories associated with it or the beauty of a particular coin. To handle a raid like this would be like calling an IKEA side table and a 400 year old chair miscellaneous furniture for insurance purposes
And some grown adults still think the government exists to help and serve them. Lol.
A government by the corporations for the corporations....
@@ateamfan42 Feds were never supposed to involved in internal matters of the states, that was all left to the states in the US Constitution. Feds were only supposed to deal with foreign nations on behalf of the states.
@@aj.j5833 The states were supposed to fund the fed too. Yet here we are paying federal income tax directly. A lot has changed from what the founding fathers setup in the 18th century, and not all of it for the better.
@@ateamfan42Well, at least we have tmThe Patriot Act to help the government keep us safe. That is what they use it for, right?
They were not "lost", it's more likely they were stolen and ended up in someone else's private safe. This is a case of police stealing from citizens.
Cointelpro.
Everything they took during this heist was stolen.
@@jasonbourne1596Yep....EVERYTHING!!!
Better check under the couch cushions at the FBI office.
So the cameras were off to streamline the process? Hmmm …
I use to drink morning coffee with two retired police officers. The one thing that they both advised me of, was never trust or talk to a federal officer.
Well federal officers are supposedly there to police the police, so it's kinda like a drug dealer saying not to trust cops. But also we shouldn't trust cops, local state or federal. We shouldn't have any police other than sherif departments at the maximum, do away with all other law enforcement. It's redundant and a waste of money and it causes us to be victimized
Just like destruction of evidence could be considered guilt, can failure to record during collection of evidence be considered guilt?
Works for me.
Just showing up and doing the heist is enough proof of quilt.
Why has no one been held accountable, disciplined, or fired for this fiasco.
That's the key. There is someone who made the decision to raid the boxes contrary to court order, and someone (maybe the same someone) who made the decision to do so without videotaping the event - something that even individual agents should have demanded to protect themselves from later complaints. Those individuals should be at a minimum, fired, and probably prosecuted. Sovereign immunity doesn't protect them given they were clearly NOT doing their jobs, violating court orders.
the standards for law enforcement is below O at this point .... mcdonalds workers are held to a higher standard 🙄
Corruption at every level.
How many times did you VOTE for the racket to be your masters?? 😂😂😂
Every Agent should be fired!
Oh, do you mean the 25 1884 silver dollars that were inside the embossed folder?
I haven’t seen them
“Investing your money in gold, who does that.” Investing your money in a savings account, who does that. Buying a house, who does that. Yeah, who does anything. Everyone. I got a good one: rob numerous unrelated safe deposit boxes, who does that?
It's not robbery, because as they robbed them, they said to themselves, "This is not robbery."
So you don't trust the almighty Federal Reserve GODS and the almighty worth less fiat 💵?? 😂😂
What's the difference between incompetence and criminality in this case? 4th Amendment protections were violated, and now there is accountability that NEEDS to take place. Because the boxes were opened and inventoried WITHOUT a warrant, the FBI and ALL the officers involved should be personally accountable for the damages.
bow you know why they are so keen to remove 2A and ban all guns. if they are this openly violating the people now (and ppl keep letting them get away with it) imagine what will happen if there is no more way to fight back
Actually there Was a warrant. I think they were Told not to search the boxes!!
Yeah, I don't like all the lawyer weasel words. The FBI stole it. What happened afterwards is irrelevant. A thief saying they "lost" something is nonsense. All involved in the theft should be prosecuted. This is why we need private prosecution revived in the USA, so corrupt government employees can be held to account.
There was a warrant to seize the structure around the boxes but they didn’t have warrants for the contents of the boxes, from the stories I have heard. This could have done easier, use some type of tamper evident seal, leave ALL the boxes closed and put those seals on the boxes. Then figure out which boxes are suspected to contain criminal contents and video the opening of those. The rest go back to registered owners unopened.
@@ryanlukens9280 that would have prevented them from robbing ppl and enriching themselves. Can't have that. Difference between fbi and a street gang: street gang steals feom you. Fbi steals from you while getting paid with your taxes
Law enforcement in America is beyond incompetence.
Intentionally malicious.
No incompetence here. Thieves aren’t incompetent when they accomplish their goals.
Is not incompetence. Is just criminal activity.
"That's funny, how did their money end up in your pocket?"
It's weird to me how slowly the government takes to do anything unless it's civil asset forfeiture.
If Wile-E-Coyote had the speed of the feds doing C.A.F. he would have caught the Road-Runner!
Because they were trying to pull a fast one to keep all of that money and if you've ever seen a thief they always worked fast
The FBI has fucked up too many times and has zero accountability.. The organization as a whole needs to be shut down.
Ruby Ridge , Waco are perfect examples of FBI incompetence . Less government is the answer and not more but we all know that the government has to be bloated to live in the " freest country in the world " . lol
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It was their intention to steal those folks stuff
Only reason i can imagine them not recording themselves opposing the boxes was to reduce the amount of evidence there would be of them committing multiple thefts
Probably because they knew that at least a couple of the most valuable boxes might not be claimed.... Like say the cartel had a guy with a box there and there was 40m worth of gold or diamonds or cash or bitcoin.... they expect that the cartel will just not pursue the money, and if the only record of it is a piece of paper, it can be edited later to say that nothing of value was found. Or most likely, so that the agents could take some home with them.
And this case is just one more example of why I donate to Institute for Justice.
The FBI should be order to find and return all missing coins or be considered a criminal organisation. Membership in criminal organisations are a crime I believe.
FBI is already considered a criminal organization.
After that WACO (Texas) shoot-out, (some years back), Law Enforcement promptly took possession of BOTH front doors to the main building . Full size front doors. Like the ones which have a left and right front door which close together. When those WACO cases came to courts, only ONE of the doors was presented in evidence. The cops involved claimed they "couldn't find" the other door. A full sized, approx 6 foot 6inch tall, , by 2 foot 6 inches wide, door. I am no conspiracy theorist, but there are claims that the Waco siege (and ensuing massacre) that Law Enforcement fired first , whereas they claimed that the people inside fired at them, through the closed doors. Even the most basic CSI , could easily tell if a wooden door had been shot through, from the inside, or from the outside. The missing door could therefore be a "smoking gun" proof that it was the cops that fired first and effectively murdered the people inside, including the unarmed women and children. Before a thorough crime scene investigation had occurred, Law Enforcement also deliberately bulldozed walls down into the basement levels, again destroying evidence that may have pointed to illegal and improper use of force against unarmed civilians, by some of those in Law Enforcement.
I say we start with search warrants for the ten agents that were opening the boxes.
Saddest part is still no one in government has even looked at this. This should be the defining case against civil asset forfeiture.
Yeah.. In the meantime, let's keep VOTING then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂😂
Sure its rushed and frenzied...they dont want the other agents getting to the good stuff before they do. Its like a bunch of kids all looking for the prize egg on Easter morning.
They want to access the goodies before a judge shuts them down based on constitutionality of the search.
It's because you can't steal it once other agents have seen it. If you're the first to open the box, you can steal anything without worrying that you will be caught. So they all rush in and quick go through it and steal their favorite stuff
One day, Steve will just scream at the camera "goddamnit, you can't make this shit up!"
It's the perfect crime. There is no reliable paper trail to show what the client put in the box to begin with.
Yes but once one wins in court, and they have been proven to have been economical with record keeping, all the claimants claims will have to be classed as entirely true, as there is nothing to say that they were not. Likely to be a very expensive day for them then, especially if people ask for the original documents back they had there, or their late dead child's shoes. Or grandma's wedding band and earrings, which was there for safe keeping in the box.
@@SeanBZAExpensove, but not for them. Nobody in government spends their own money.
@@bartsanders1553 And, unfortunately, it's too much to hope for that the agents and supervisors involved would not simply lose their jobs but also face criminal charges for abusing their authority, misrepresenting info to the warrant issuing judge, obstruction of justice, abuse of constitutionally protected rights, etc.
@@SeanBZA I could have video'd and fully documented, with federal agent witnesses, every deposit into that box, but that doesn't cover the possibility that I then removed those items from the box later. There would need to be a fresh, impartial inventory of the box every time I accessed it. Thus, the perfect crime on the part of the FBI, they know there is no way to prove what was in the boxes.
They didn’t lose it , they pocketed it.
You are also fighting for a better world. Thank you.
A statement my 11-year-old daughter said to me, When we watch 2 police cars go up a one way street clearly marked one way. In order to get food from a food truck.
She said, “when you are the law, you can break the law…”
A good life lesson.
Did you teach your daughter who gave power and 💵 to the racket?? 😂😂
I’m assuming most everyone has seen the video on police seizing a military vets life savings, during a vehicle stop, however if not, I’ll attach it below. This video brought it to mind. Well worth watching.
FBI: "Dismiss your complaint and fial a formal complaint with us and we will look for it."
Me: "No. You are going to return the coins or the equivalent value. You and your agents failed in your fiscal duties."
I think "in a hurry" is the wrong phrase. 'Having a feeding frenzy' is much more accurate.
As a coin collector, I would be beyond livid. 🤬
Keep an inventory of everything Photos, certificates, elsewhere.
Even if none of it was stolen and it's all just in a pile somewhere, the fact that they can't tell what belongs to who means they did a criminally terrible job of logging the evidence. Also, what if one or more of these boxes ended up being germane to a future prosecution? They just screwed up their ability to actually use this as evidence to support a future case!
The FBI and Law Enforcement has been doing this since the beginning, when the FBI was first founded. The greater American public loved it when it was happening to the “others”. Back when it was minorities, civil rights leaders, gay people or anyone accused of being “communists “. Now it’s starting to happen to “regular “ folks and suddenly it’s just unconscionable and outrageous.
Most Americans don't even know they can be detained indefinitely or executed without trial if labelled a terrorist.. 💯💯
What they did here IS unconscionable and outrageous and what they have done to others in the past was equally preposterous. For all we know everyone at US Private Vaults is a gay communist civil rights leader and this raid is no less wicked for it. Maybe I missed the point you were making but I don't see how racists' and homophobes' of the past make any of this better.
@@zeitgeistzebra it’s like Niemöller once said:
“First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me”
The FBI has done much worse than stealing peoples valuables. Anytime you give any group of people a hero status just for being a member of a group, regardless if it’s the military, Fire Department, Police, CIA, FBI, Sanitation Department, church or whatever alphabet soup you throw together, you WILL breed abuse and corruption. Bad actors are attracted to those organizations like a moth to flames. It practically a law of nature.
At this point, they've disregarded the Judge's orders (which they never intended to follow), ignored the boundaries of the warrant, and did not follow their documentation procedures for their raid. Can we say that they've lost their immunity and start the process of getting a special prosecutor?
The US legal process is the punishment. If governments lose cases they should be forced to pay legal fees of the defendants.
Not only should they be forced to pay ALL of the legal fees, they should pay triple damages for the time and stress they caused the defendant.
The "Bad Actors" should be held personally liable for the fines so that future bad actors will be clear that they are not acting "in an official capacity" when they are breaking the law under the guise of working for the government (at any level).
@@FlyMIfYouGotMThe problem with that is they are broke. They have no money except what they take from you and me. There entire operating budget is paid by you and me. Any settlements are paid by you and me. This is true whether it be a cop or the FBI.
Who gave power and MONEY to the government?? GODS?? 😂😂😂
@@Gangsta1168 Did you? I sure didn't. I can't give to another what I don't have.
As a metal detector also,,I know what you mean about going back to the exact spot a certain coin was found. I found a 1858 flying eagle penny,,a very rare coin. And I know exactly where it was in the ground. Them big silver halfs look so good when first spotted in the dirt!! especially if it is dark black soil
Based on your mentioning of IJ and the good work they do, I made a donation to them. I received an email thanking me for my modest donation. That impressed me!
Check the homes of the agents for the missing items.
They would be exceedingly stupid to still hold on to them.
Ironically, they most likely are keeping them in a safe deposit box (if they haven't already sold them).
Check the local pawn shops.
Thank you for bringing up the fact that it's "Safe Deposit Box!" It's a pet peeve of mine hearing people call it a "Safety Deposit Box." Lol
Believe the name maim happened when they expanded the storage outside of safes and into more of a self storage model.
It’s a wonder they aren’t taxing you for the coins you found.
They hold employers responsible for the actions of their employees. It time to hold these agencies leadership to the same standards.
❤ I think the judge that signed the warrant put in it that the FBI was not to open the Safety Deposit boxes but to secure them?
Didn't you say that before?
Yes, wonder if he will rescind the order now, which would immediately place it on them to make good all claims. All watching in the USA should write a letter to their congresscritter saying you demand they immediately put pressure on them to return all the stolen articles immediately, and that they need to bring in a bill to prevent such warrantless theft of goods and chattels immediately.
Again, it's not "safety" deposit box; it's "safe" deposit box as Steve pointed out in the video. Did you not catch that?
@@virginiamoss7045 Yes that's why I Capitalize it.
NOT SAFE AT ALL.
JUST WAIT UNTIL THE IRS COMES TO PEOPLE'S DOORS AND TAKES THEIR PHYSICAL GOLD THEY HAVE BEEN BUYING.
@@SeanBZA Nowadays Congress has no power over the FBI.
@@SeanBZA"congresscritter" 😉
The Govt. is no longer a reliable and trustworthy representative of the people. They allow authorities like the FBI aa well as other law enforcement to operate without any real scrutiny, oversight or accountability. The fact that some 'coins' were located, and weren't properly documented and stored, illustrates that the Govt. itself has no intention to see that these agency's act professionally or fairly. The facts here show an agency (FBI) that seems to have begun and continued this search with every intention of keeping the loot. How can Govt. Representatives be trusted any more with this continuous activity cropping up everywhere.?
AGREED! We the People need to organize to demand National Police Reform. Write down a list of demands. A few examples can be to end qualified immunity, make it illegal to mute bodycams, make bodycam footage available within 48 hrs of a simple record request for a small fee. Replace I.A with a group of citizens with no affiliation to cops or politicians by blood or marriage. Cops are off the hook with no accountability & America has turned into a Police state with cops asking for our papers like we're Jewish & it's Natzi Germany. Someday an incident is going to occur that will be the last straw. People will eventually snap.
When our home was damaged, the restoration company listed among the items thrown away "documents". What does "documents" consist of? Expired coupons? Birth certificate?
They knew the lawsuits would come. But they also know most people can’t afford lawyers and why should people be responsible to pay an attorney to get their own stuff back that the FBI stole? If they have 2000 in the box, it will cost them more to hire an attorney. Lose lose.
When the cops are bigger crooks than the criminals. They got some coins from the agents that decided to bring them back. All the monies from asset forfeiture should be inventoried and every penny accounted for and none of it goes straight into police pockets. If a cop gets a bonus from any of that money then it's a conflict of interest.
The screwed up part about this is no one's going to get in trouble for this worst-case is somebody loses their job or gets demoted the government cannot be responsible for anything they are not capable we already know this we have to stop letting them be responsible for anything
Names of every crooked FBI mobster that's every one of them at that location needs to be listed, these items definitely were stolen , when you inventory things especially for law enforcement purposes they don't wind up lost all items are inventoried and secured,it was a five-finger discount.
My friend worked for a large security company, that worked for the FBI, they would get hired to secure large places, ships, farms, the FBI seized a large horse ranch and the security company took care of it for over 2 years, they had to feed the animals, cut grass, shovel shit, and everything it takes to run a place.
The judge who initially authorized the seizure needs to retract that authorization, and the FBI needs to take a loss on this, or they'll keep doing it. The surest way to ensure continued bad behavior is to reward it, and letting them keep any of the goods they seized would be such a reward.
I wonder if this could become a class action lawsuit?
Thank you Steve. You are helping to fight the good fight also. Super thanks to IJ.
CHAIN OF CUSTODY RECORDS is in the policy and procedure handbook yet the State and Gov. Agencies always seem to forget to not to violate policies when it best benefits agents and their agencies and then forget to investigate and punish violators and allow all agents bad deeds to go unpunished when investigating themselves and find no wrong doing except all the policy violations they forget to mention and just say no crime here and tell you to accept that answer then go away and dont come back we will come for you and everythjng you got.
Wait, we're talking about the stuff in the boxes that the court explicitly said on the warrant LEOs could not keep, right? This is so wrong. It's infuriating. Makes me rethink how I would keep my stuff if I had anything valuable. How are these folks going to prove what was in the boxes? If I ever have anything valuable enough to put in a safe deposit box, you can bet I'll record what I put in there. That would not have occurred to me prior to this video. Thanks, Steve. Kudos to IJ once again.
They'll offer you half with out going to court.
This is what happens when you elect people who put law enforcement above the law.
So you didn't know being politicians, cops, judges, lawyers, doctors, generals, CEOs, BANKERS, preachers, kings, queens, media, sales, etc.. are favorite jobs for narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths that 💘 power and 💵, and 💘 to be admired and adored like GODS?? 💯💯
We ned a way to immediately recall any public servant.
Bottom line, they took every step possible to be able to try and keep somthing if not everything lol so normal gov behavior.
This is a something every politician should run on. To stop asset forfeiture!!
In the meantime, bury your coins in a jar in the backyard. Just like grandpa did .
It seems the consensus of law enforcement today (especially federal) is not to ask what is the right thing for them to do, but rather what can they lawfully get away with. 😢
FBI accused of stealing or losing Ben !
See last seconds of video, Steve hid him too good.
Yes. "Lost" and I suspect that those that "lost" them will not be held accountable for "losing" them
But if you lose a bayonet in the Army...
@@bartsanders1553 I suspect it depends on "who" loses said bayonet ... or maybe a F35 jet ... or a bunch of guns to some revolutionaries in an "non democratic" state
They were hurrying because they had a court order forbidding them from searching the boxes and were hoping the judge didn't notice the violation.
Why didn't they, FBI just leave the boxes in place then secure the building and have some one with computer skills open the files and call the people who have boxes. Make appointments for them to come and get their contents all under the eyes of the FBI... Sounds so shady that all of the FBI agents should be fire and place in jail!!!! FBI Bosses first and maybe the owners of the business were Rail Roaded to get to the contents since it was in The Beverly Hills/ Hollywood area, where rich people would place their goods!!!!
The saddest part of this entire affair is that not a single FBI agent or manager will spend any time in jail or even be charged. They had no legal authority to open those boxes. The warrant specifically forbid doing so.
Nah.. The saddest part is the well-trained law abiding 🐑 🐑 crying about the racket they VOTED for repeatedly.. 😂😂😂
@@Gangsta1168 youre the sheep if you think voting has anything to do with this. Its a uniparty, there is no difference..
@@Gamesso1slOo0l so you didn't know if you VOTED, even for a dog, you really gave power and consent to be ruled by the racket?? 💯💯
And of course there's only one real party in 🇺🇸 and the 🐑 🐑 ain't invited.. 😄😄
We should be able to hold the judge liable for not enforcing or pursuing the FBI agents that violated the terms of the search warrant!
@@wdwerker really.. 😄😄😄😄😄😄
Everyone involved at the FBI,need to be facing state criminal charges,since there is no Accountability at the DoJ.😡
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That is a CRIME-ing SHAME…more law enforcement corruption, it just never ends
FBI = Famous But Inept
Thank you Steve for speaking to this ridiculous and harmful action.
Did anyone check the Menendez household? Lol
Steve,
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I have already started receiving the bimonthly magazine on the great work they do for people including a very nice thank you letter hand written address on the envelope to me and personally signed by the lady in charge of donations.
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Issues like this used to be "Breaking News of the Upmost Importance and Scrutiny". But these days, this is just another run of the mill story, one of many equivalents, business of usual. What a mess our country has become.
Who gave power and consent repeatedly to the RACKET?? GODS?? 😂😂
Right. In their pockets! They are corrupt!
Call me crazy but does not saying you are going to inventory the contents of the boxes means you are going to make an actual list of what was in them? Saying there was *stuff* in them would not have required them being opened. I do believe it is obvious the FBI never thought they would be challenged.
They were in a hurry to steal and they need to be shut down and each and every one of them needs to be investigated in detail for all of their numerous crimes.